JORDAN PETERSON'S DECEPTIVE USE OF LANGUAGE EXPOSED BY SAM HARRIS!

[@Pangburn]

Full discussion here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJbckHawfrSZj6csi=cLawf41zIV6HKH7u

[@zarbins]

Keep it up with the hack job video edits and clickbait.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

JP: sh*ts on the floor JP fans: *WOOOOO*

[@davidfoster5906]

Jordon does the twist

[@tristanbruns5968]

Yeah,get shwifty in here!

[@lancegab]

​@@tristanbruns5968 😂😂😂😂

[@user-kj3ch3ke8m]

Jordan Peterson's greatest challenge is to stop attempting to talk over everyone else in the room. He's desperately afraid that someone else might be able to put a couple of sentences together uninterrupted, because his position can't sustain reasoned response.

[@richlancaster8336]

I love his hand gestures, so hypnotic, lol, not! He's a charlatan, and when anyone approaches exposing that his hands go wild, he becomes ridiculously verbose and the credibility he may have had all slips away because so many of us can see through the smoke....it's fascinating to watch, but frustrating as anything - because he is a shill for the far right...

[@glenliesegang233]

No. He wants to communicate his thoughrs as accurately and understandably in an uninterrupted way. He likes to give a full answer, not a half answer prone to be misunderstood.

[@yetisweti]

​@@glenliesegang233his whole stick is to speak word salad as subterfuge and bootlickers suck it all up.

[@ofangelsanarchists2386]

@@glenliesegang233if you’re easily fooled by language games, maybe. But if you aren’t an idiot, it’s clear that he’s linguistically dexterous but everything he says is bereft of any significance. He makes dumb people feel like they’re smart. That’s his whole schtick.

[@woodytheduke]

@@glenliesegang233 its called babble or word salad

[@MG-ot2yr]

Peterson's prayer exercise is just appealing to your own conscience, there's nothing magical about it.

[@AndyCampbellMusic]

Is is an appeal to evolutionary empathy. Good/bad/right/wrong cannot exist without and are a product of awareness plus understanding. Without these it cannot exist at all.

[@richlancaster8336]

@@AndyCampbellMusic I don't think jp is big on empathy given a choice....

[@jeffreylehman1159]

@@AndyCampbellMusicHow is an appeal to inherent empathy connected to “God”? And why? Be an adult and handle your shit, don’t appeal to an imaginary daddy figure.

[@zarbins]

This is likely the most ignorant comment i have read on the internet. Do you even know how conscience operates and its origins?

[@VA-gu1jq]

Please, tell us where conscience “originated”..

[@martinrhoads6168]

You are not praying to a God for answers, you are actually just self analyzing or evaluating your behavior .

[@MangoPM15]

Jordon loves to hear himself talk….really really fast so he believes he is impressing you. It’s a narcissistic approach. Ben Shapiro and Russel brand does that as well. But Russel is learning to slow it…he recognizes it.

[@MobBarley00]

Correct. Then don’t pretend there is some being listening, let alone caring.

[@photonboy999]

"Hey Jordan, can I have a stick of your gum?" Jordan "I'm not sure I understand the question. It depends what you mean by "stick" and it depends what you mean by "gum" and when you say "have" that implies it is now yours and I contest the concept of ownership..."

[@janjordal9451]

In Sweden we have the expressions: Ordbajsa = word shiting. Mundiarré = Mouth diarrhea. This applies perfectly with Jordan Peterson

[@DanHarkins-jk9mi]

logorrhrea • noun Logorrhea is a communication disorder that causes excessive talking and wordiness, often to the point of incoherence. It's sometimes classified as a mental illness, but it's more commonly seen as a symptom of a mental illness or brain injury

[@TheGamer-pn2ib]

Jordan plays with words He’s not convincing, he’s mad and desperately trying to come up with something Only playing with words

[@JeffEdlund]

Agreed. It's all "word salad" And unfortunately, the people that eat this 'salad' are more common than a sane person would wish. At least in the U.S.

[@annemurphy8074]

Word salad.

[@rjlchristie]

SOPHISM

[@generyan2332]

In Lanscaping I wouldn't even let Jordan look at a shovel. He can shovel shit without one.

[@claudetteguimond8035]

Peterson needs to let Sam finish his sentences.😊

[@user-kj3ch3ke8m]

Hallelujah! (Irony alert). Peterson cannot stand any moment in which he is not talking, even at the expense of directly contradicting things he's said seconds earlier. That's not even to mention the drivel that he passes off as argument.

[@johns1625]

"Say a prayer and accept whatever answer is provided no matter what it says" That's exactly how we get people reinforcing hatred in the disguise of piety when they close their eyes in prayer and focus on their bias confirmation while daydreaming about feelings. That's just about the WORST advice you could give a person, jfc...

[@generyan2332]

Jordan is delusional with all his senses

[@yamahkogribbis6212]

This is not delusional thought. It's specifically harmful ideas, that he knows deep down are not true... And yet this is his method to gain more followers and wealth. If Jordan should ever cross over to rational thought and stop using his word salad deflections, he would be fully exposed as the fraud he is.

[@tonyoleary236]

Blind faith in the absence of evidence

[@walter6574]

is there such a thing as sighted faith?

[@dictionariantheephilosophe5642]

Wonderful question

[@dhenson2]

That’s not a prayer by the definition of every religion that has ever existed.

[@Thomas-ni1jn]

Yes And to go even further, it directly confirms that god belief and prayer is simply talking to yourself. Some will say that they brought soup to a houseless person because they were moved to by a god. I always tell them that the soup will always arrive by a person, no matter how many prayers they used before it happened. People always do the work, and sadly most of them give the credit to something that we have no evidence for.

[@mikeblack2uk]

Peterson a master of tautology and nonsensical,word salad tangents of absolute bullshit..

[@rjlchristie]

It's mind blowing to me why Harris bothers with him, it only lends Peterson undeserved cred.

[@meganmueller]

The final bit where Sam called out Deepak Chopra was sooo on point. Jordan does exactly the same thing. He signals to Fundamentalist Christians, and then barely walks it back when pressed. He knows that his ideas resonate with bigotry, detachment from objective reality, rejecting established consensus, conspiracy mindedness and all of the worst parts of Fundamentalist Christianity, but he doesn't want to offend that base. He'd rather court them with plausible deniability, because it serves him way more than being real. His grift is very very similar to Deepak's. He's taking advantage of, and leveraging the power of, an ignorant base.

[@richlancaster8336]

and in this environment it makes him a tool of the far right, and he obviously knows this.....making him a charlatan in my mind...a disingenuous numpty...

[@meganmueller]

@@richlancaster8336 100% Another thing I just thought of is how Sam talked about Deepak's Rhinestone sunglasses. For Jordan, it's his ostentatious suits.

[@samgod]

Rather than debating the existence of god, JP manipulating its definition to something acceptable isn't winning the argument. It's changing the rules. Yeah Jordan, I can simply prove god by definition: god is love, got is the scientific rules of nature, god is human awareness, god is a chair. That all those other definitions may exist doesn't legitimize the generally accepted definition that god is an omniscient being.

[@Daeva83B]

I just realised peterson is talking about me. I am what he considers dangerous. Born in a Christian country, buddhist parents, catholic school, best friend was a muslim. Yeah, i see what religion is. i did listen to the adults when they spoke of religion. All of them claimed as if its the truth. I understood at a young age that nobody knew and concluded that it was a similar lie like santa claus. To keep the kids happy... Except the kids this time included many adults.

[@BeforeThisNovember]

Which part do you think is a lie?

[@Daeva83B]

​@@BeforeThisNovember Everything.. Any truth claim, really.. Walking on water.. Adam and eve, apocalypse, hell heaven etc.. And then we have the cherry picking, the different bible version, the contradictions. The list is long. I don't mind, people can believe. It's the truth claiming that they do and often they try to enforce their beliefs on others, that's why i am hard.. But except for that, i truly don't mind, i even enjoy hearing religious stories. But that's what it is, a story.

[@richlancaster8336]

@@Daeva83B it's all about the dogma, no dogma, then no problem. put another way, never follow a religion that dictates what you can wear and/or what you can eat. if you apply that simple rule to life you'll avoid most of the pitfalls of religious ineptitude and corruption....

[@schigara]

@@richlancaster8336 And the biggest problem is when a political party forces their religious dogma on everyone with legislation.

[@Daeva83B]

​@@richlancaster8336 Yeah exactly, that's the word i was describing: Dogma, thx :) No dogma, no problem. Thx for the advice, but i was and am still a stubborn kid. Didn't believed my mom when she said the heater was hot. I had to figure that out for myself ;) I think i'm fine ;) 2 religions that i enjoy the most at the moment. Buddhism and Hinduism, they connect very well.. One is internal and the other is all about the gods and how they quarrel with each and epic battles, it's just awesome :) haha

[@monikadale6563]

Cant stand Jordan because he talks and talks and never really has an answer,my opinion

[@CrescentRollCarl]

Thats a fact.

[@robertpearson5410]

So primitive people knew the essence of existence without knowing much of anything about how the universe worked. That's like saying we should be listening to our 3 year old children with all their wisdom.

[@godisbollocks]

Harris' comment about the rhinestone glasses was quite telling in light of how extroverted Peterson's outfits have become in recent years.

[@avi8r66]

The moderator guy was quick to pounce on the idea of universal morals and twist this into some kind of larger-than-it-is fact. If a kid is raised without biased input from it's caregivers it's going to have the morals of any other animal. It will be focused entirely on survival for itself. Any creature that gets between them and survival, in their viewpoint, is going to be escaped from or attacked.

[@davidvaughan3771]

Jordan says some pretty ridiculous things, he argues like grasping for straws

[@mikertist347]

What did I do wrong?! I tried to listen to JP in good faith.

[@stephenholmgren405]

Peterson probably doesn't literally believe in god, he's just appealing the a Christian audience.

[@bristolgareth1]

So, meaning is the only way

[@sam-1196]

Jordan can talk for hours yet say nothing and nonsense

[@orientalguy9462]

5:49 that's the difference between abrahamic faiths/monotheistic faiths and polytheistic or eastern thinking, monotheism says only my views are true and other's views are false and hence wrong, this is inherently a supermascist stance and we very well know that from supermacism only comes hatred or dislike towards others. In eastern views, there's no exclusive claim of being the only true path.

[@mikerobinson2008]

That is not a prayer.

[@Mad_Martigen]

JP, are you the voice actor of Kermit the Frog? Answer YES or NO. JP: Well, that depends on what do you mean if I am the voice of Kermit the frog? I love to hear myself talk with word salad of no relevant substance of what I am describing. Perhaps I may be a voice actor of Kermit the frog depending on how you perceive to hear my voice fundamentally portraying a fictional character. Am I the voice of Kermit the Frog? That may be a credible possibility if you comprehend and balance the profession and scientific explanation of voice acting.

[@MobBarley00]

That is a very postmodern explanation that ignores the hierarchy implicit in the construct of the metaphysical narrative.

[@rossanthony6403]

@@MobBarley00 😂

[@kevincaldwell7431]

How do you get away from something ( Hell ) that doesn’t physically exist?

[@DrDD-pw8wn]

What's wrong with JP's hands? Oh, that's called magic conjuring up BS.

[@rossanthony6403]

I’m dying 😂

[@semigeniusreally8988]

It's obvious to me that Peterson got a doctorate from the Professor Irwin Corey School of Linguistic Surplussage. His ubiquitous use of word salads as his form of deflective expression ultimately displays his love for the sound of his own voice and his incredible ability to say so much but make so little sense. kzbin.info?search_query=irwin+corey+acceptance+speech

[@timothywoods4076]

Not only is Jordan Peterson interrupting Sam Harris but the moderator is allowing him to. How annoying.

[@mikerobinson2008]

Weinstein - loves to put himself in the middle and lean slightly toward the biggest pile of shit in the room.

[@glennt1962]

Peterson seems like he's plucking at straws and his hand gestures don't help him.

[@davidnewland2556]

evil implies agency :an agent more powerful than an ordinary human.

[@JeddieT]

I didn’t think Jordan could be more annoying when it comes to the god issues, but in this video he is even MORE annoying.

[@photonboy999]

*Jordan, Dinesh and other book sellers* "bla bla bla metaphysical, irreducible and contextually bla bla..." *ME* "the Universe is made of particles. The End."

[@BeefT-Sq]

"Objectivism advocates reason as man's only means of knowlege, and, therefore, it does not accept God or any variant of the supernatural...We accept reality and that's all". -Leonard Peikoff- Objectivist

[@noheroespublishing1907]

Jordan Peterson may as well be arguing Horoscopes are True.

[@ltzmin]

"We don't know where anything comes from". Honesty would require us to stop at that doorway of mystery and uncertainty and makes us wonder of all the things we don't know of. Jordan B. Peterson and many others in the meantime: "Bloody excuse me, coming through, this unknown, that's God manifested preferences in the shape we observe of the Universe and and and"... alright, why even stop there if we are going to make shit up

[@bigjazbo9217]

What is the purpose of these discussions? Nothing Peterson says justifies the beliefs of any typical religious person, but rather his own hazy nonsense. Meanwhile, Harris gives Peterson more credibility than he deserves.

[@rossanthony6403]

Nailed

[@Stoiction]

I am a follower of JP, but after he mixed up the scriptures using his salad words and spaghetti interpretation, I lost my interest.

[@deandredunbar9618]

hes literally never said anything he just talks in circles. this whole argument is is the Christian god real and not once will the Christians give evidence for their god. just philosophy bullshit about language and good and evil lol. how about proove your god exist with the same evidence we have that proves mars exist. can you do that? I doubt it

[@joperhop]

dude just word salads all over everything.

[@silverfire01]

Some people I would not like to have dinner with. If you asked them if you liked their food they might say it depends on what you mean by like or like is a metaphorical construct or that type of language.

[@MaKi-e3h]

"Here's an exercise you can try... try feeling guilty because you're in such hell, it's taking your life... you will ask yourself 'What wrong did I do?' and you should ask that I would in that position accept any answer that will manifest itself... try that." Does anyone know what he's talking about or what the audience is clapping for?

[@CommonSense_Skeptic]

I have no idea why people want to debate Jordan, he's a smart guy but he seems to try to weasel his way out of every direct question there is; just nonstop deflection and word salads, on his constant quest to define the definition of is

[@torgeirmolaug196]

1:39 "Here's an exercise you can try. So what you do is is is you sit on your bed and you say ok what I did was wrong and and you really have to believe this right? So you've thought about it, it's killing you, it's killing you, so now you're penitent and you're confessing, let's say, and you're confessing to yourself as much as to anyone, and you say I really want to know what I did wrong and I really want to know what I could do to put it right, and I'm willing to accept any answer that will manifest itself to me. Try that. See what happens. That's a prayer that will be answered and it won't be answered in the way you want it to be answered, I can bloody well tell you that."

[@dictionariantheephilosophe5642]

There is nothing like someone being exposed here all we here is a mix of reasoning styles

[@BeefT-Sq]

"There is no logic that will lead one from the facts of this world to a realm contradicting them". -Leonard Peikoff-

[@jasonloader8149]

There are moral universals but they are either adopted or corrupted by religion. Hitchens' good people do bad things argument explains this.

[@alexquintana1031]

The Benzo Babbler

[@rossanthony6403]

Omg 😂

[@mickberry164]

Peterson is such a fool.

[@geoff37s38]

Peterson is the Master of Drivel.

[@DaveRossignol]

Imagine sitting beside JP on a long flight without noise cancelling headphones or a parachute?

[@deadjune1]

Try to imagine being an 'atheist religious' person and it only leads to absurdity, as JP constantly demonstrates. You got to feel sorry for anyone that tries to rationalise the irrational and prove the unprovable

[@janjordal9451]

Prayer is an acoustic stream into empty space

[@johnpanter9714]

Jordan just constantly obfuscates

[@h1z-s2h]

Note that when discussing morality or science, religious advocator never define the "God" that they are speaking of . The reason is simple. The "God" that they believe in doesn't measured up to the lowest standard.

[@734gman-vs5uf]

When he came out screamin get your damn vax WHILE talking bout how untrustable govts are i was like "wtf" Then he spent like 2 hours breaking down a tom mcdonald rap song that was a sensational Republican rally song n proceeded to add unspoken meaning he knew tammy mcdonald meant i was like f jordan peterhead

[@alsindtube]

A lot of words that proves nothing about Divinity, Christianity, or the Bible. The only thing Peterson proves is that he knows how to interrupt people who are kicking his ass in a debate.

[@cpeticzingraber5021]

Unbelievable how much Jordan thinks he is an expert on everything. If an actual expert saw this conversation (an expert on linguistics, history of religion, neuroscience, philosophy or even psychoanalysis) he/she would be able to pick apart the claims of his in a second. He says so much BS

[@UncleBuZ]

rhinestone glasses🤣

[@claytonyoung5005]

Sam at 16.54, we do not know where anything comes from. How true. It is seems to me that anything as wonderful and complex as as our world, the universe and life itself came from nothing or by chance seems unreasonable. Hence the biblical statement in Proverbs " A fool says in his heart there is no God". I have never heard a better suggestion to our existence and the origin of the universe than it has a creator who is the source and animating power of the universe and our existence.

[@andrewpatten9829]

"seems unreasonable " To you. To millions of us it seems reasonable; way more reasonable than the ridiculousl story in Genesis.

[@DjangoPorter]

Jordan used to. Seem so smart But not so much. Nowdays

[@nobodyspecial9035]

5 years ago-ish.

[@gerasimosskarakis811]

Do you actually upload the same videos over and over and over again? Im pretty sure I saw another 20min clip of yours with the same content plus or minus 2 minutes. It is pretty much spam at this point.

[@davidpayne8413]

The idea that God is only in your head may refer to the idea that religious beliefs are a product of the brain, or the idea that people can pray in their heads.

[@Zack-xz1ph]

He’s turned religion into philosophy and psychology, which I guess is good since those things are actually tangible and can yield real results

[@richlancaster8336]

he's trying to popularize his form of christian dogma...

[@Zack-xz1ph]

@@richlancaster8336 his version of christianity is a lot less dogmatic than the usual stuff

[@Lee-vp8vs]

This is the first video I have sent where Jordan doesn't mention Jung or Dostoyevsky

[@stevepledgermusic]

Peterson is - among other things - the strongest argument yet for switching to decaf.

[@michaelgabriel4442]

These guys love to hear themselves talk.

[@thinkneothink3055]

Yeah, this is a real expose.

[@violyn3519]

Aren’t we all tiered of JP and his own trauma ?!?!?!

[@buckycool]

Has anyone else ever suspected that Peterson is strung out on Adderall? 🤔

[@spokolokofly]

How long Jordan's socks are?

[@AngelBabyMama]

They’re all way smarter than me

[@thubanyeob3823]

Nah, you're fine. You could learn big words and talk shit too.

[@mikerobinson2008]

Smart people are good at making themselves understood. If you can’t understand it’s a strong possibility it’s because the speaker not very smart but quite good at hiding that fact.

Take a shot every time Sam is cut-off from completing making his point

[@donjamieson7735]

What an absolute crock of crap. Petterson needs to lay of the mushrooms.

[@truthhurts-g3o]

Jordan does quite well here...with such a slippery and chimerical opponent. Go Jordan!

[@barryt2666]

Prayer, by any so-called "religious" person, is just wishful thinking, hoping the physical Universe will bend to your psychic will, just because your convicted devotion deserves recognition of your existence & your daily plights & transgressions, or those of people for whom you sympathize. If prayer had real power, we would be God.

[@Nzpure]

Jordan's obsessions with sociology is what's putting him wrong. If he had consulted more Anthropological sources he would know this need of narrative seems to be rooted deeper in human nature. There must be some kind of evolutionary driver to our obsession with narrative. Cant remember who penned the term but Pan Narrans really would be a better name for Humans than Homo Sapien.

[@johnsinclair2672]

Jordan’s answer that “your prayer will be answered but not what you asked for!” Is exactly what Christianity tells us! This answer is ridiculous - as there will always be an outcome which wasn’t what you prayed for! I’ve always found such comments from clergy as nonsense, so clearly Jordan is espousing word salad nonsense!

[@AB-tn3jd]

Jordan seems to be talking about a form of meditation and self reflection. I don't think there's anything else to it. To his point, your answers from the realization of you doing wrong and how to fix things will come forth as you move about in life, either in unexpected or expected ways, but that's a fact of life. For some people they are luckier than others, and these answers are easily found, others not so much and it takes a lot more "soul searching" to find them.

[@walter6574]

Bret Weinstein totally supports Peterson's philosophy? regarding a spectral world we live in.

[@gohumberto]

When you sit on the edge of your bed and pray you're praying to your bedroom and yourself. I don't know how anyone makes that an actual proof of God. Look folks. It's clear to me that the pressure of the whole pronouns thing that JP went through finally broke him. JP was fine when he was telling boys to tidy their rooms but he crossed a crazy line when he jumped on the Christian Evangelist bandwagon. His career had been research/fact based. Now it's spiritual/Woo-woo based. Get some therapy Jordan.

[@avi8r66]

JP is very much like Deepak, just with a different accent and fancier words.

[@dholtzjr1]

Big words and being verbose makes you just that, but not factual. Sam just lets Jordan walk onto his own landmines

[@miguelvshdh9576]

Jotdan is full of substrate.

[@mrpeabody8187]

What a waste of time this is Sam has to call him out and say your talking shit peterson and don't get sucked into the vortex of bullshit , having these debates is damaging Sam credibility I'm getting very tired of this rubbish

[@rjlchristie]

Listening to Peterson makes my skin crawl.

[@wolvolad25]

Why is this man constantly maligned on this channel

[@ToddWhiteford-h4o]

JP speaks in a way that makes others feel dumb because he speaks gibberish but it sounds great. SH is an actual communicator. I don’t like the way JP makes his points. Maybe I’m just dumb?😀

[@rndmavis]

Can you get some new content?

[@iminabrons]

Peterson exists to teach others not to learn from them.

[@philflip1963]

Jordan Peterson never seems to do very well when he holds forth on the subject of God.

[@gregorypeterson9]

Jordan Peterson....... the human run on sentence.

[@gravitheist5431]

Jordan doesn't believe in a sky butler but never goes any further explicitly as to an objective creator ......Jordan is defining God as a tool or mode of being or what informs perception , there are 2 definitions of God , one is a creator sky butler and the other is how Jordan sees it , Jordans definition makes sense as, to believe in a mode of being that aligns with perception and the framework and is optimally beneficial for human thriving and will result in " being in heaven " rather than living in hell and to have faith in the mode of being to have the desired outcome ......at least that is what he seems to be talking about The sky butler God that everyone thinks of when they hear God, has never made any sense to me and still doesn't , it's just an attempt to claim superiority by association with a supernatural being , that is just narcissism . I've noticed that the argument changed to Christ existed and said he was the son of God ( he actually said " God is the father and I am the son ", which you could take to mean I am the product/outcome of the framework of perception , I am that I am etc ) so that is proof there is a skybutler , they have to shoe horn the supernatural in . What he is all over the place about is what an Atheist is .....his definition of Atheist seems to be someone who doesn't believe there is an optimal state of mind/mode of being or set of morals to live by, as a result become the Dark Tetrad incarnate.....He is the traditional definition of Atheist but he means something totally different when he says Atheist

[@courtneyt800]

It's not the best part to stop the video. it should have continued for a few more minutes

[@ericmathias2619]

JP needs help

[@jasonloader8149]

FFS Nietzsche and Dostoevsky again - the world's most boring precocious teenager.

[@kuribojim3916]

@pangburn please stop using these silly clickbaity titles. You are better than that.

[@DAY01DAY]

2v1 stop playing

[@MichaelBath-xv5bd]

Peterson has been taking far to many prescription drugs..