I finally dropped iCloud and you should too

In this episode, we explore why I finally dropped iCloud and you should too.
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iCloud security overview 👉 support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

[@adamdittrichone]

Love how excited you get when you talk about "streaming from your lab" 😊

[@susana5052]

I heard that and I was excited for him! I think Sun could do a lot and offer people private alternatives vs what’s out there now. I’m not aware of the laws but Sun seems to be a really smart guy and I don’t think he would have a problem with following the laws and making a truly private experience.

[@bill-mckenna]

Thank you for helping us through this! So much to learn!

[@iClaud_0]

I think it would be awesome if you created a small starter series for people just getting introduced to the privacy and secutiry world and striking a balance with the convenience factor. Videos like this are great but IMO end up trageting a very small group of people. I find it hard to just have people switch search engine and browser; there is no way in hell I'll get them to dump icloud (including myself). Things like the Firefox videos are an awesome example (and the views show it) of things anyone can do without impacting their everyday experience. You also had a really good video on how to set-up Big Sur but it was sadly taken down. Other good examples are your password and adobe series. I am no expert in this field but I know very well the average person and how little they care about online privacy. Simple privacy advices that don't comprimise too much the conveniance factor would go a long way to help a larger audience become more privacy conscious.

[@v27club37]

👌👌☝️

[@ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ538]

What do You say about the latest update with the extended Data protection option and withdrawal of Your personal apps from apple servers? I moved everything btw to proton cause I didn't feel that comfortable anymore with icloud

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

Sun I’m curious how your stance has changed since Apple announced Advanced Data Protection?

[@kil-roy]

When I decided to pull all my data off iCloud about 5 years ago, the most annoying thing was having to click on every image and video file and drag them individually in order to download them onto an external drive. Not sure how it is now, but it was clear to me then through this and a few other experiences that Apple did not intend on making leaving iCloud an easy task

[@tidalleaf]

I think it has gotten even more difficult in the intervening years. The lack of an export capability with Apple apps frustrates me to no end. iMessages are particularly terrible - there is absolutely no way to export them beyond iCloud - without a third-party app installed with maximum permissions on a Mac or PC and given access to the iPhone.

[@tidalleaf]

@@wm5393 Thanks for mentioning this! Is there a way to sync iMessages via the Nextcloud app?

[@atetraxx]

You can just download the entire folder

[@kil-roy]

@@atetraxx I don't know how it is now, but you couldn't then. You had to drag and drop each individual photo one by one.

[@atetraxx]

@@kil-roy couldn't you just compress it then dl from a browser?

I went to fruux for my calendar and contacts last year. Went down the rabbit whole on contacts too. ;-) I just found out they run on AWS, so maybe it's not THE best solution ... Thanks for your sharing your voyage on privacy - I learned so much from you already it's crazy!

[@rachelbalslev792]

Hey Sun. Love your channel. :-) I would like to hear your point of view about the browser Brave?. As far as i know Brave browser belongs to Firefox..some people have told me that Brave is just as secure as Tor.. . I have my doubts.. What do you think ? Thank you.

[@jayw115]

Looking forward to the alternatives. Good seeing you

[@yashketkar4082]

Any changes/updates to this video after Advanced Data Protection for iCloud? that enables end-to-end encryption for pretty much all Apple services including iCloud Backup and iCloud Drive with the exception of Mail, Contacts and Calendar.

[@user-pk1ic3jw6t]

Update with launch of Advanced Data Protection in iOS 16.2. The following are now end-to-end encrypted (whereas before they were "in-transit and on server"): iCloud Backup, iCloud Drive, Photos, Notes, Reminders, Safari bookmarks, Siri Shortcuts, Voice Memos, Wallet passes, Freeform iCloud Mail, Contacts, and Calendars are still not e2ee.

[@marbbeu2675]

Hi! very instructive video !what do you think about the filen cloud, wich is based in germany and support end to end encryption

[@AbhimanyuSirothia]

I’ve been looking for a video like this. Looking forward to all this info 😊✌️

[@seomei]

Just found this video and I'm already a fan, thank you for this video... Very helpful and I like it!

[@katullo11]

This is one of those videos I'm glad didn't actually age well.

[@sunknudsen]

Actually, wished that was true… calendar and contacts will still not be end-to-end encrypted.

[@n_io]

@@sunknudsen Calendars and contacts is splitting hairs when you consider the breadth of what is now covered under their true end-to-end encryption.

[@worldpro94]

@@sunknudsencalendars and contacts are the least of my worries when it comes to data on my phone…. My wallet, photos, messages are all far more important. I don’t map my entire life through my calendar. And if someone wants a phone number fine.

[@gloriousaleksander8101]

@@sunknudseni fucking hate iCloud, all the nudes with my girlfriend was all along available and seen and and stored watched by family and friends, no one told me SHIIIIIT!!?!?!?!?!!??! WHY IS THIS EVEN A THING!!??? WTF SHARED PHOTOS ??? I DIDNT EVEB KNOW IT WAS ON???!? NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT… FK THIS!!!!!!!!??!??!?! AND IT GOT FKING HACKED OFC

[@susana5052]

Looking forward to hearing from your posts about this breakup with iCloud.👍

[@_marcobaez]

Hey Sun! What do you think of the new Proton Drive?

[@xyzxyzm1]

Thank you for your work.

[@CookeAaronJ]

When I click on the links to your website in your KZbin profile, it opens in a browser within the KZbin app, is that safe? Does that undo your efforts to secure the content and use cases?

[@thomasbroker69]

Apple just increased the iCloud price by 25% without telling anyone! Seriously pissed off I expect these videos to get very popular..

[@0xdevin102]

Love your content.. keep em coming...

[@psychicengineering]

For my iCloud files, I use a series of Cryptomator vaults. Doesn't that solve the issue?

[@garretcook8316]

I get it, but really, does the average person care if someone accesses their calendar of contacts? It's kind of a stretch to think someone would go through the trouble to access that info unless you're into some really sketchy stuff.

[@edgarb.2010]

Does Apple supports end-2-end encryption now?

[@ChrisMager]

Hi, this video is only 8 months old but would you rate this differently today?Now iCloud indeed has e2e encryption? They still don’t say emails, contacts, calendars are e2e, but isn’t that a „more honest“ description as you criticized Proton for that wording in other videos?

[@MissRuthless]

I'd love an update on this too

[@ArtelisStudio]

Compared to the time this video was posted, Apple now has 256-bit AES encryption (he mentions that level is military grade at 3:32) According to Apple website: “On A14, A15, and M1 family devices, the encryption uses AES-256 in XTS mode, where the 256-bit per-file-key goes through a Key Derivation Function (NIST Special Publication 800-108) to derive a 256-bit tweak and a 256-bit cipher key. “

[@ArtelisStudio]

Also, Apple no longer uses HSM under their Advanced Data Protection. Which means that what he said about Apple still being able to access your data is no longer true. According to Apple website: “Conceptually, Advanced Data Protection is simple: All CloudKit Service keys that were generated on device and later uploaded to the available-after-authentication iCloud Hardware Security Modules (HSMs) in Apple data centers are deleted from those HSMs and instead kept entirely within the account’s iCloud Keychain protection domain. They are handled like the existing end-to-end encrypted service keys, which means Apple can no longer read or access these keys.”

[@sergzz12]

Curious what you think about pcloud? I've been searching for a cloud solution that is the 'safest'.

[@brainscott]

How does your view change with Advanced Data Protection

[@bill-mckenna]

I've been using SYNC based out of Canada - I like it so far - what do you think? Anyone else using it?

[@sunknudsen]

Great question… haven’t tried that provider. That said, first thing I would look into is the following. Is the app open source and is the data encrypted before being uploaded to the cloud?

[@Josef-K]

So how do I backup the whole of my icloud? It seems like I can only pull a little bit at a time!

[@6stringcodger450]

Since IOS 16.2 apple allows "advanced data protection" usage to encrypt data. Turning it on will limit what Apple can do for you in terms of recovery of your data. Its a fair trade though.

[@JGI43]

Hi sun , do u rate apple mail for privacy and security

[@jenniferw8963]

What about keychain, does apple do in-transit and on-server encryption or is at least that end to end encrypted? Apple really has access to all my passwords for every web site I go to?

[@user-pk1ic3jw6t]

Passwords and Keychain are end-to-end encrypted, with or without Advanced Data Protection

[@tobias131314]

Sun what do you think now that Apple has recently introduced optional ‘Advanced Data Protection’ which is end-to-end encryption for the vast majority of iCloud data types, meaning even Apple can’t access your data. Would love to see a video on this!

[@gund89123]

Apple should have access to the data if it is stored in Apple owned servers. This is legal issue in USA. When court orders Apple for any data related to an investigation they have to provide that data to law enforcement, if it is encrypted then Apple should have an option to decrypt it so they should have the key to decrypt.

[@NeelNapkin08]

@@gund89123 When you activate the ‘Advanced Data Protection’ feature on Apple devices, you become the sole owner of the encryption key. It is your responsibility to keep it safe and secure.

[@youtubeenjoyer1743]

​@@gund89123 Just don't be a citizen of US or allied citizen-spying countries. It's that simple, really.

[@hayuko6275]

@@gund89123 from the documentation, it states that they don't have the key if you turn on this option, there even is a process to make sure you don't lose your data because, only your personal devices can access it

[@Ian..]

@@gund89123Nope.

[@ezraraz1460]

Show us how to setup our own iCloud servers. That we can sync e-mail, docs, notes, etc...

[@sebastiandluch]

why should u drop icloud and not use icloud with google drive in sync with 2 usb drives for backup? (((

[@Neo--X]

Nothing about this makes sense. Even when end-to-end encrypted, the email protocol still has a visible email address. Every server your mail passes through will record and collect the email addresses of you and your correspondents. Concerning "Calendar" and other iClou data: If your data is subpoenaed by law enforcement or the government, you have bigger problems on your hands than "what's on my calendar or in your emails." Do you trust your operating system and your computer hardware? Your device's OS and hardware can "fetch" and record ALL information before it gets encrypted. The only way to make sure that your data is safe is for you to design and manufacture your own hardware at home and write, from scratch, your own operating system and encryption protocols.

[@rodstavros]

I was looking for this comment…people are very funny, once you sending things through the internet, they can be seen and save from whoever 😂. I will keep using iCloud. I have nothing to hide…dropping iCloud but using E-Mail providers 😂😂

[@ApolloTheDerg]

Right, in order to feel private and safe at home, we should convert our homes into underground nuclear bunkers. There is no other safe way of course, you could never have privacy without this. Or you know, maybe lock your windows and doors, close the blinds, and stop putting cameras in your bathroom from a company that has access to them “for your safety”. Yeah, a rock can defeat the window, but that doesn’t mean it’s all for nothing and you should just go ahead and stream everything to a company. Maybe don’t voluntarily provide all of your important information to a company in the first place, a revolutionary and unthinkable idea.

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

onedrive is great for saving up stuff, but not for photos and videos, while both icloud and google drive can actually tell where did you take a picture, order by places, faces, dates, delete duplicates, etc. a thing that onedrive to THIS date CAN'T DO

[@kenzauter6626]

I absolutely love iCloud! It’s the best! I used to professionally support Windows products and all Apple products are way better.

[@lil53140]

Then get ready to pay for iCloud until the day you die lol 😂

[@pipeliner8969]

What about Nextcloud?

[@nogardsiete]

last update got "Advanced Data Protection for iCloud". then they say its not their fault: for contacts, calendar and mail... iCloud Mail: iCloud Mail does not use end-to-end encryption because of the need to interoperate with the global email system. All native Apple email clients support optional S/MIME for message encryption. Contacts and Calendars: Contacts and calendars are built on industry standards (CalDAV and CardDAV) that do not provide built-in support for end-to-end encryption.

[@grandpriy]

Skiff mail, drive, calendar.. thoughts?

[@techbulb3440]

Dead now

[@edrumsense]

Graphene OS!!.. Its amazing!

[@sophiegadoury]

Your own streaming platform 🤩😳

[@mikeoxlong4043]

Apple recently did an add showing how they dont sell ur data.

[@tomgua468]

can you explain all the good tips to instal Grphen please?

[@sunknudsen]

Will do shortly…

[@tomgua468]

@@sunknudsen thanks you so much sun

[@jamesr2408]

Running away from apple's iOS only to be caught in the hairy arms of google's android? How it this different. All cloud vendors have access to their client's data, they have the master key that unlocks all. How about Tesla Phone, I wonder ..... ?

[@lohphat]

Why use iCloud to sync calendar and contact data? Both usually are provided by your email provider (Gmail, OFFICE, etc.) so all devices sync with the source provider for the data. Syncing it laterally via iCloud doesn't make a lot of sense and seems redundant.

[@gorlami3341]

he gives hardcore apple vibes

[@suepalmer4726]

Just found you. I love you I know you’re gonna cover exactly what I need to know. Wanted to get off of iCloud myself and didn’t have an alternative. Will you speak of cryptocurrency looking forward to all of your good stuff thank you very much.

[@gund89123]

Before people go crazy here is the fact: If your data is stored in USA then they should be able to decrypt the data and hand it over to law enforcement when asked by court. Not doing so is breaking the law. If you want to hide the data from government I don’t think there are any options available. Even if you have your own server you have to give it to law enforcement if court approves the request.

[@kythrathesuntamer9715]

spideroak is an option that they can't hand it over to law enforcement.

[@TheoSmith249]

@@kythrathesuntamer9715where are the servers.

[@FKZYTV]

Maybe NAS is the way to go.

[@susana5052]

Sun, I think you may be on to something that can be big. If you’re streaming from your place maybe you can offer a private “data storage” for people that are concerned about privacy. I’m not aware of the laws but I’m pretty sure you’re smart enough to do it! Think big! What you want is what a lot of people want and will pay for it!!! If I got rid of my redundancy for my data storage, I could afford $186 a year and I have less than 1 gig of data. I think you would have enough people that you would never have to work for someone else. IMHO

[@lateral1385]

The legalities would be difficult to sort out. But certainly possible

[@gund89123]

Rselio sync pro has this feature, you have the key that’s used for encryption, sync it to any server you want, they can’t decrypt the data.

[@bessfrank560]

Thank you

[@vaibhavsoni2437]

E2E encryption requires 2 parties, doesn't it? Shouldn't it be zero knowledge encryption?

[@mr.t114]

It’s on by default to save a backup on Icloud and it’s so they later can sell more storage for it, i don’t want it, i don’t care about it. But here i sit with a red exclamation mark bubble i can’t seem to get rid of screaming; alert alert! Pay up…

[@sunmoonstarrays]

Your badass!! Love this meeeeeee tooooo buts its a process for sure smh

[@ArtelisStudio]

Apple’s encryption service is still better than what Google offers though. Google doesn’t even encrypt. I’m concerned because Google privacy policy does not forbid Google from using my data, my photos, for things like teaching their AI.

[@gund89123]

Are you sure about that ?

[@joshuasiefring5810]

@gund89123 There are court cases that have or are being pursued toward this. I think I read something just yesterday in passing that people "know" this somehow and are pursuing it. I only saw a title. maybe click bait.

[@johantheboneless7252]

That look like Eric Snowden

[@Leo-Crespi]

yeah right

[@tech1238]

Drop anything cloud based

[@shivangswain]

Now with Advanced Data Protection, everything is encrypted!

[@gund89123]

He showed that almost everything was encrypted. Mail, backup, contacts, calendar, notes. Am I missing something? What was not encrypted?

[@diycraftyqueenie102]

I’m going through a very intrusive hack to my iPhone

[@JohnSmith-zl8rz]

Now you can encrypted except contacts, this video is old now.

[@andrewign5806]

Parallels are maintained by developers in Moooscow!! Even now! 🤣🤣🤣

[@SD-ff1je]

And we are sure these others are secure. No such thing because humans are in the system so way or other.

[@unkown34x33]

I never liked iCloud.... Literally, everytime I synced, it was a nightmare. If I lose a file on a machine, I loose on everything!. Plus... It's expensive to pay for more every god damn time. I've been using external HDD, no SSD for years. I don't trust servers

[@MikeHunt-rw4gf]

Algorithm.

[@ryshask]

If you're single there's no reason to have icloud. If you've got a family it's really handy and pays for itself.

[@NiepoprawnyNick]

I don’t understand your point . Any time any data is available to provider of service. If you are scared of something just don’t put nothing on The internet ….

[@McFly.]

I am very excited about the upcoming videos. It just feels like your videos are intentionally made long so that I get bored and have to skip uninformative parts of the video.

[@JustcallmeJayrot]

Agreed. I love his content but it does seem like a lot of fluff.

[@sunknudsen]

Thanks for feedback… which parts do you guys consider fluff?

[@JustcallmeJayrot]

@@sunknudsen Well in the case of this specific video, basically half of it is a plug for your membership, which I can hardly fault you for, of course, but isn't very substantive. And the first half doesn't have much more depth than the title -- apple technically has access to your data. And then of course telling us how you're GOING to be telling us about alternatives. So in this case the whole video is kinda fluffy. Looking forward to the next vids, though. Aside from this specific video though, my general feedback is probably more just about your overall presentation style. It seems clear that you're perhaps trying to do the whole thing in one take with minimal editing. That's fine but definitely feels like it can be tightened up a bit. Misspeaking or various "live flubs" would probably be best edited out? Obviously it's a fine line between your more relaxed coversational style versus too many jump cuts which can feel overly produced. Anyway this comment is too long as is. Happy to expand or clarify if need be. And of course I'm just one viewer with one opinion. Wouldn't dare presume to speak for everyone. --J

[@Feherlof1a]

Echoooooooooo

[@grahamjoss4643]

KZbin asks if I want this comment translated …

[@davidg3594]

Guys, please don't give your money to this scammer.

[@yt.rampuria]

Keep the content aside for a min. Doesn’t he look like Kartik Aryan?

[@davidg3594]

Some people are just stupid.

[@TubeYouTakashi]

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT OF ICLOUD STRUCTURE. picking up small problems that will solve eventually. I am not sure who you are first. sound like you do not know the progress of data process technology. . iCloud is the best structure if you are handling multiple divides. It so simple and easy. I do not much worry about small things that you picking.

[@chuck_norris]

People are sending all their Data to Apple, voluntarily???? lmaoo

[@i_dont_want_a_handle]

None of this matters, sorry. I used to be like that too, but I learned my lesson the hard way. The single important thing and the only way is to completely hide your data. The police and border control officers will force you to fill in every password they encounter when searching the devices (unless you decide to deny them access and go to jail right-away). And believe me you have things you really want to hide - your wife's nude pic on your phone behind a password is enough for a prison sentence in Uzbekistan. Steganography is the only way. Living in a decent country and not traveling to the third world ones might help tho. Peace.

[@ApolloTheDerg]

Or you know, maybe don’t opt-in to send all of your important data to a companies servers. You miss the point, entirely.

[@i_dont_want_a_handle]

@@ApolloTheDerg + yes, that too

[@vishizzy]

YOU HAVE TO KEEP INCREASING THE SPACE LMAO CANT DELETE ANYTHING

[@jase9389]

10 minutes of someone yapping about nothing

[@paylaypaylay4853]

iCloud password

[@PeterbFree]

What a waste of time watching this was!

[@KingDragonBoyTV1998]

iCloud is stupid I only PERFER gmail

[@Stormlywing]

outlook is more outdated than their email service - NO ads for free because you need to pay for a plan - i did not and using icloud email willing without paying for them - got this mail first ( with this word ( Secure and ad-free ) - not asking for payment for Microsoft to hide the ads in my outlook email making me waste money to keep my email safe from unwanted ads that google try on their search engine willing to let anyone go with check first ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ( Free download tool OBS - Allowed somehow and voided eye to eye with google ) an group that made for protecting is users lead them into giving other passwords and 2FA making

[@jacquestuber628]

Honestly I don't understand why everyone hasn't stopped using the cloud of, the level of trust people have for technology is amazing sometimes

[@maxmustermann7365]

The level of trust especially in closed source technology