I Found The RAV4's Limit! 2022 Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road Pushed To The Edge | Taming Tumbleweed Ep.21

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In this episode of Taming Tumbleweed, Tommy takes the Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road through Andre's Pit off-road course!
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[@FrankyRedEyes]

Tommy: I wonder what's going on? It just needs a little more! RAV4: I'm a RAV4

[@dalejones4322]

Great video. Tumbleweed is going to tell on these manufacturers. Toyota shouldn't have put the TRD off-road badge on this vehicle. This was a sad performance. Thanks guys

[@TerryOffDairy]

I wish Toyota would make something this size that has a proper 4Lo transfer case and 10” of ground clearance. Like a new FJ but smaller and more efficient

[@artemakatev1366]

it's like they heard you

[@marksgoogle4360]

right im looking for my Nissan Xterra replacement and no luck so far

[@WW-wf8tu]

Few years back you took a Hybrid Rav4 up some pretty steep hills and it killed it! So, unless that has changed, I say stick to the advice of buying a Hybrid Rav4 to get that low end torque since they don't have a proper 4L. Bottom line tho, is the TRD Rav4 is just an appearance package. It does not have the DNA like its bigger relatives.

[@RKmndo]

I don't know why Toyota even bothered with a TRD Off-Road trim if they weren't going to clamp the center and/or rear diff in at least one of the modes. The front airdam should be detachable too.

[@lutomson3496]

except the hybrid rolls over easy and still fails the Moose test

[@CarnutMM]

Hybrid or not. Still can’t make it the beginning of those obstacles. Too little ground clearance.

[@johnnyboi5661]

The biggest problem I see here is user error only. Sarah N tuned is a women that review and test cars, I see her testing more valid than most of these reviews because she actually drives the cars like someone would drive them over obstacles with momentum. This guy drives like he’s in 4L the whole time.

[@CarnutMM]

@@johnnyboi5661 using momentum and speed is a great way to break things.

[@LWRoad]

"Oh no, that's practically useless" 🤣 Love your reviews Tommy!

[@BookwormSkates]

100w is enough for a MacBook, which is probably all that's needed for 99% of owners.

[@perpelle]

Or a fridge.

[@OldThomMerton]

I'm not surprised . . . the Tacoma and the Pathfinder are great platforms and small enoguh to work around rocks and trees . . . the RAV4 is a soccer-mom car that, mechanically, can't compete. If you want a pretty, soft-roader CUV TRD, then maybe the RAV4 TRD is for you.

[@blueridge8992]

The transition from sharing the $40k price tag to watching it flounder on the log section was pretty brutal. She’s a true mall crawler in a literal sense. Bronco Sport gets my money in this segment.

[@AJ-rg3pr]

The only thing is if you want to be reliable or not, the new bronco sports are terribly built

[@ar-videos]

Its a unibody fwd-biased corolla with lipstick…

[@zachariewright1690]

Cherokee Trailhawk still murders all other soft roaders.

[@joobaggs6886]

Yeah I'd rather get a Honda Pilot for 40k! Much more room and power!

[@joobaggs6886]

also the Honda Passport!

[@tarfeef101]

I know this rav4 is more compact than subcompact, but I just got a compass upland and I am very happy with it's off-road performance given the size and price. They actually give it decent clearance, and more important for me where I live in cross-ditch central, good approach, skid plates, and decent departure+breakover as well. Those are what I run into before power and traction limits, typically, and it's the only vehicle in the class to give two hoots about angles.

[@amazingjason455]

If this had a CVT, it would get all the blame.

[@abilityboatworks5024]

I had a 2008 RAV4. It was the 4 cyl. I couldn't believe how poor it was on a muddy road one day. I can't see where a lot has changed since that time. Thanks for this Tommy.

[@nycad2484]

I bet the V6 version though had plenty of power.

[@juanguzman1098]

Just get a Subaru Outback wilderness! I’m loving mine

[@billnorblat4047]

Really disappointing to see it basically refuse to send power to the rear axel

[@frontier_etc]

4Runner TRD OffRoad - hardcore offroader : comes with highway tires from the factory

[@MemphisMojo15s]

Everything sold comes with "all season" rated tires. I think what you're trying to refer to is AT (all terrain)

[@frontier_etc]

@@MemphisMojo15s the 4Runner TRD Offroad comes with all season highway tires. Not ATs.

[@MemphisMojo15s]

@@frontier_etc as I stated before, all vehicles come with AS tires, regardless if what it is. What are you trying to imply? You mean a dedicated offroad vehicle only comes with AS tires..I gotcha. They'll never put real tires on these from the factory

[@codyschmid6807]

@@MemphisMojo15s there are new vehicles that come with Ko2s or other all terrains or even KM3 MTs. not all vehicles come with all seasons. 4Runners tires, crawl ratio, ground clearence, approach/departure/breakover angles....all pretty bad compared to other off roaders like the Wrangler, Bronco, or even the oldies like the FJ and Xterra

[@RKmndo]

@@MemphisMojo15s This RAV4 comes with Falken Wildpeak AT Trails. They're ATs. They're MILD, all-weather ATs that are designed for unibody CUVs, but they're still ATs. Some vehicles come with aggressive ATs or MTs. The Jeep Rubicon and the Bronco Sasquatch are such vehicles. Even the Trailhawks come with mild ATs. Some sporty performance vehicles come with summer tires.

[@thomasrossi31]

Patient vs patience. You can be patient and/or you can have patience.

[@-Jethro-]

Your patients can have patience, too.

[@rzu7120]

A bad doctor has neither patients, nor patience.

[@easysnail]

4:31 patients … thinking you intended on “patience” - great vid as always. Thank you!

[@Jet_Finder]

Good honest review as always Tommy. Thanks!

[@billybobbob3003]

lol my 2014 honda cr-v FWD could of done the log bullshit easily, hell i've driven over like 50 ft bulldozer hills with an 87 civic sedan fwd, they were building a new neighborhood lmao at the time and i parked and got out walked around with my vehicle on the top i forgot my cellphone wish i didnt i was gonna take a photo people would of been like WTF how in the hell you get up there?

[@jamescharles8663]

You guys have a fantastic off road course.

[@vegpwrshlominator1873]

Love my Rav4 Trd off-road I bought it for towing a small trailer not really off-roading. I wanted the 8 speed transmission and can tow up to 3,500. I don’t have a CVT transmission to worry about.

[@Tallnerdyguy]

I wouldn't tow at max for any extended period of time for any vehicle

[@vegpwrshlominator1873]

@@Tallnerdyguy definitely I’m about 900

[@patrickclayton6702]

You forgot about the Outback Wilderness.

[@mitchstein288]

Great test, I think you really pushed the limits of that Rav4. It'd have been interesting to have another Rav4 NON-TRD following you so we could really see what the TRD gives you. Great job with this test though!

[@jackempson3044]

He couldn't go up trails I could take my RAV up. Not sure if he had a handle on how to run it. I noticed too that the front end sits lower than the older ones do.

[@axeamaniac4490]

Anything badged TRD offroad or pro should come standard with a rear locker, an actual low range center locking dif, a lift of two inches at least, and some pretty agressive all terrain tires...

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Tyres don’t NEED to be part of a package as they are user customisable. Anyone can just choose the tyres they want when they buy it or later. However I do agree that decent tyres should be part of any off-road package.

[@10K2HVN]

Great review. Very consistent with DrivingSportsTV review. I hope Toyota turns this feedback positive and makes the next version with better gearing, and more wheel cavity for larger tires. Honda did it right with their gearing choice. I bet a Honda Passport will rip through all the same courses this thing hit. A unibody can fair very well with the right gearing and (virtual) locking differentials -- just look at the Defender and Passport. Hope they offer rock sliders, like the Tundra TRD Pro, or at least, mounting points that can handle aftermarket rock sliders. Also this wheelbase isn't so long, only about 106", about the same as the FJ Cruiser. 4Runner is about 109.8". 4-door Wrangler is about 118"

[@Swordpoint69]

My name for the mini mountain Is . The Sky’s the limit mountain. Great review of the TRD Off Road.

[@jendrarambharos4379]

Did you guys do a tumbleweed bronco sport badlands review? I tried searching for it and couldn't find it .

[@davidgillon6187]

It’s definitely limiting torque too aggressive to make progress. It also seems unable to distribute enough torque/power to the rears once the fronts lose traction. Not a great system compared to Subaru or Land Rover etc. feel you should be more honest and critical of Toyota over this! Don’t even get me started about that woeful approach angle either. And thanks for thanking my patients - but I’m not a doctor! Time to yous the grandma and spiel chucker I fink

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Subaru 4WD is no longer any good. It’s rubbish too. Get 2 diagonal wheels off the ground and you’re stuck.

[@Reu_ag]

It doesn't have the torque this awd system clearly needs to begin with, Toyota should call this vehicle TRD sport not TRD off road

[@gregoreosRGV]

Thank you for your PATIENCE

[@Ram14250]

Let's face it... most people buying a Rav4 won't be off-roading seriously hard. But I have to say, I think it did really great for what it was. Needs more back wheel torque action. Honda is better at that. Also, brake traction control is not as good as locking clutches in the rear like Honda or Ford Bronco Sport. I'd like you to test a Honda Passport over the same conditions as I think Honda I-VTM4 is a little more superior to Toyota's. Would be a great study! Thanks for the great vid Tommy!

[@user-tb7rn1il3q]

Honda AWD systems are almost useless. The RAV4 AWD does just fine in wintry conditions, but it is No off road vehicle. I knocked the exhaust tips off my RAV4 taking it off road. The bottom has scratches on it. It’s still way better than the Camry or CRV off road.

[@ChicagoOutfit1900]

It's a damn shame this doesn't compare better with the Cherokee Trailhawk. Stiff competition makes for exciting advancements

[@biggsly5000]

Too bad Toyota doesn’t make the cherokee and grand Cherokee, I’d be in one then. But I won’t be in either, meh…..the rav4 stock engine is a dog.

[@Tallnerdyguy]

99.5% of the people who buy this will never do more than a dirt road

[@jackempson3044]

When they put the spare tire under the cargo area, it raised the floor. Now, you can't haul as as large as items as you could before. It seems my 1996 set higher than the newer ones too. I never measured however. I've bought 1996, 2004 and 2009 ravs new. Ran my 2004 over 400,000 mi. still ran great and no rust when I traded it. Hardley garaged it but it sat on cement mostly.

[@nycad2484]

I wish you could try a Highlander up it with the torque vectoring rear. It should have plenty of power with the V6.

[@NinjaGamong]

I have a rav 4 adventure. I can not say I am disappointed with my choice. very proud owner of a Toyota vehicle.

[@joshc606]

How about some rear wheels that spin lol Toyota continues to drop the ball on there small CUVs off road ability. Hold them as accountable as you would the Subarus with the CVT?

[@Catmemegod]

Hybrid and prime does a lot better at this despite this one being “TRD”

[@rhettthedog7757]

Agreed, one tire is moving in an AWD vehicle. Maybe a center diff lock like the previous model design.

[@khakiswag]

Subaru advertises their AWD capability as the main selling point. Toyota advertises the RAV4 as a cool car to go on road trips and hang out with your friends. And honestly before the CVT Subaru was honest in their claims but not anymore.

[@haroldbeauchamp3770]

No doubt about it, Subaru is a joke off road, but I find this a fair comparison. TFL made no efforts to disguise the Rav's LACK of ability. There's no concerted effort to bash Subaru. Subaru sucks enough on its own accord.

[@joshc606]

@@khakiswag it is a TRD "Off Road" but yeah I get it.

[@rp3823]

LOL … I’m so hysterical over those people that will really believe that a “TRD Pro Off Road” badge is factual from Toyota. It’s all marketing. 😂… Your vehicle needs to be equipped to go off-road (clearance, shocks, tires, torque, differential, skid plates) etc! 🙃🍷🛻

[@jerrymyahzcat]

It’s not a TRD Pro. It’s TRD Off-Road but it’s can’t even go off-road.

[@astro143_]

I would love to see this crossover course with older crossovers, something like a Jeep Compass or Patriot (because thats what I have!) I'm curious if the old Pat would mule its way up versus the new Rav4 trying to use all its traction control and torque vectoring.

[@adi7795]

In my 2019 RAV trail or adventure In tricky situation I use rock and dirt in spots mode the shifter in manual mode in first gear this in my opinion give the best or stronger torcs.Sometimes I going through som tricky spots for what I use theRAV4 around the farm. It looking to me the RAV TRD is no different than the trail or adventure, Great video thanks

[@GOIN2LIVE]

Excellent capability - will be buying one! Toyota Rav4

[@billricheter5678]

Get a Suburu . Better offroad , safer and better reliability

[@ExpeditionaryRanger]

I'm going to need the page number for that alarm disable. :o) I have the regular trail model and replaced the stock wheels and rubber with 17", Cooper Discoverer AT3s.... that solved some challenges for me in the dirt. Extremely pleased with the rig, except the colour... anything but black was a $600 surcharge here in Canada. So I have black which the trees are autographing...

[@billricheter5678]

Rig?

[@mikewright2858]

The new Rav4's really have a good look to them ... won't replace my 4Runner, but they look pretty nice.

[@TomaszbtdZiobrowski]

"I Found The RAV4's Limit!" "didn't have to go far"

[@Bobbydoesarchery]

Can y’all bring the 2022 Tucson hybrid to Tumbleweeb Ranch?? I own one but I don’t have an off-road course to try it out on where I live

[@niuhuskieguy]

Since you took the RAV4 on the course, now this is begging for a Forester Wilderness on the course for a comparison.

[@haroldbeauchamp3770]

Sadly all of them have blown head gaskets and their cvt's have overheated.

[@no1lineman]

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 There you go again Harold!

[@alexanderradec317]

I like this review video as it definitely shows the RAV4's limitations (TRD Pro model) with certain terrain so this is an eye opener, also i don't know what's more hotter, the temp outside or Tomas :p

[@Coloradohiker658]

Great review. Is this suppose to be in competition with the Outback Wilderness?

[@sakata2015]

You should probably try this course again with a 1st Generation RAV4, the AWD version with a center locking diff was particularly talented

[@evilfinnigan]

As slow as possible, as fast as necessary. You hit that hill pretty slow and it performed pretty well. Stopping on a hill is hard to get back going and have traction. Even in the Offroad Tacoma that I have. Patients should be patience. Lol.

[@Tallnerdyguy]

Mall crawler mauler for name!!!

[@stout_tossme7541]

Cherokee Trailhawk or Bronco sport Badlands for me. I will stick with my 4runner.

[@p_a_rivers_projects]

Did you air down? From what i could see it looked like yall were doing this at 35psi 😅 im sure the camera doesn’t do the logs justice but I’m pretty sure lower psi would help drastically especially with those falken tires

[@RangerRickTV]

would a forester wilderness do this track?

[@jackempson3044]

I drove around a stuck in the snow Bronco with my Rav 4 with no problem. I went thru the deep part just to be a wise guy. He had five guys in that thing. They were ready to push it out.

[@rossbowman202]

It reminds me of when I had a FDII Patriot. Good review Tommy. Where is Nathan?

[@Dimitrius001]

Been trying to decide between one of these or an Outback Wilderness Edition. So far, I'm leaning Subaru, which is a shame because I really like the Rav4 TRD. At this point though, it's not living up to the TRD reputation. They also should have put 15 or 16" wheels on here with a taller profile and more aggressive tire. 18" is for street tires.

[@easygizzy2822]

Can you test old g class like Puch 290 gd w461 on off road test.

[@Kidzfoodreview]

My 2019 rav4 hybrid does amazing offroad

[@Dmaelstrom]

Might as well buy the 2wd. Is this type of AWD at least useful on snowy roads?

[@paulf9825]

patience* 😄

[@iMernerner]

I'd like to see how will Maverick with offroad package will work on this corse. No low gear. But Good Approach angle.

[@TeoKefalopoulos]

I wonder what drive mode you used on those parts trying to go up the steep hill. Switching to manual mode and Sports would make it far easier for the vehicle to climb...

[@josephnelson9020]

First gear is still first gear. Not much to be done with such a low torque engine

[@DR-UTAH]

I love the taming tumbleweed ranch. Keep up the good work

[@Malc664]

I'd say that was a fail for offroading. The last bit of logs you had to go up on an angle. Will the CX-5 conquer the course?

[@goride365]

I think my old 2008 prius with bigger all season tires could out offroad this thing going up hill lol

[@ColJonSquall1]

when you need Nathan's right foot to get a crossover through the lighter offroad course, lol. Toyota should consider a slight program change to help it.

[@mr.t8369]

Call the Mini Mountain the 'MAJOR MOLEHILL' MM

[@wolverine350r]

I think the fact that the TRD Off-road Tech package is basically parking assist features says it all.

[@josephnelson9020]

Mall crawl at it’s finest!

[@amirf2070]

I mean are there ways to increase it’s efficiency off-road? Way I see it, it was 9k cheaper than a 4Runner so if I were to spend it on mods does it have potential?

[@mikefoehr235]

Patients vs patience. I didn't know it is Dr Tommy now!!! What the BEEP are you doing???

[@tinker1148]

You went a lot faster through the holes section in the Forester than you did in the RAV4. I think that’s why you ripped the side skirt off.

[@unclebilly1353]

My wife had one these rad fours in a hybrid. I was thinking about getting rid of it because we are getting older. And thr ride is a little stiff. I did notice, you can get a 2" lift. That should allow taller rubber. That may soften in it up enough where it would be bearable on the long washboard roads of New mexico. I hate to get rid of solid long lasting platform.

[@LordSothMajere]

Mini Mountain could be called Skyview Hill? Because as you go up, ask you can see is sky?

[@IdahoChevyDude]

How would you compare this to the trailblazer activ off road?

[@Tallnerdyguy]

That's a better comparison vs trailhawk

[@patrickdubois7997]

I know your banned by Subaru, but i think the Forester Wilderness is a way better. I don't know for what reason you not add in your comparison with Bronco Sport Badland and Cherokee trailhawk

[@Yeeto767]

The TRD Off-road RAV4 was badged incorrectly. It should have been called a rally sport or something to that extent. It was made for going faster and smoother on unmanaged dirt, gravel, or snowy mountain roads.

[@kennethjinkins8967]

did you test the Prime ???

[@xTruthxWithinx]

My question is are people using the "manual" shift option and try it in 2nd gear?

[@ckl8a]

with an 8 speed im sure they could have a much lower 1st gear and split the difference between the other 7 without sacrificing much on road performance/economy. although regearing the entire transmission would be extremely expensive

[@AbsalomIndustries]

I drive around a 240D all day and while, sure I'm at sea level, I feel like the engine or computer was holding the RAV4 back for some reason. I can crawl up any hill here in San Francisco if only in 1st gear (and the hills here are pretty steep sometimes). I wonder if it's just an issue of rev limiting at low speed combined with poor front traction on steep slopes, especially those loose dirt or low-traction logs. Not sure why they tuned the car that way. You'd think they'd let you give it some real beans when you're trying to get unstuck.

[@djw1091994]

This power train with the mild hybrid setup from the tundra would fix it's torque problem and bump MPG. Would be more expensive though...

[@patrickempty]

You need a front wheel drive 80s Cutlass Cruiser Wagon with wood grain for that ;)

[@motogene9367]

Hey can you try the new Jeep Compass trail hawk elite 2022

[@pcihector]

I saw a review of the Highlander climbing a serious sand and articulation hill at the same time in another KZbin channel. Would be great to see it in these tests. Because what I see here, the Rav4 is very disappointing.

[@dinehbee6168]

Highlander would easily do this course. Only downfall for the Highlander is the ground clearance at 8inches.

[@neilmurphy845]

I wonder would the d4d model do better than the petrol engines

[@davidmilhouscarter8198]

3:29 Mini Mountain… my suggestion is ‘Knoll’.

[@nfrancoeur69]

Was it in sport mode?

[@chadtimmons3606]

The Rav4 Prime needs a TRD off-road package!!!!!

[@smithjones1906]

I find myself wondering if the 1st gen RAV4 would do better.

[@Short_Bus]

I had a 2nd gen that did fantastic. I took it over much more challenging terrain in desert and mountains of AZ.

[@WhatsThatsmell69]

It definitely would!

[@user-tb7rn1il3q]

Actually the 5th Gen has more ground clearance, so I doubt it. The first Gen was dangerously underpowered as well.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

@@user-tb7rn1il3q 1st Gen was worse crap than this. And this one is rubbish.

[@nycad2484]

@@jerrymyahzcat how about the Rav4 with the V6 back in the mid 2000s.

[@TheKingPrawn114]

I would love to see the Bronco Sport on your SUV course. I suspect it will do better than all others.

[@Tallnerdyguy]

They did like 4 videos on that

[@TheKingPrawn114]

@@Tallnerdyguy But not on their home course.

[@hermanjohnson9180]

AWD especially doesn't work without traction control. Only full-time 4WD works without traction control. Yes, I know permanent(F.T) 4WD seems very similar to AWD but it isn't mechanically speaking, and it shows in performance. Full time 4WD is not engineered for high speed cornering on road. And AWD is not engineered for off road. Always pay attention to the drive train badge ppl ! The off road trim Rav 4 did pretty good.

[@MarkRose1337]

My FT4WD V8 4Runner handles corners very nicely. It's no sports car, but it's still fun in the twisties. The IFS helps.

[@27sport86]

What are the chances you can test the Explorer Timberline and Acadia AT4 on this course? Both are big sellers in their segment and I'm sure people would like to see their capabilities.

[@haroldbeauchamp3770]

The Timberline uses a lame clutch pack instead of a traditional transfer case to transfer power to the front wheels, so the system still is vulnerable to overheating. Which other youtube channels have proven. It would have been so easy for Ford to install a traditional transfer case and proper low range in the Explorer, but they chose the cheap route using a clutch pack. GM is extremely finicky about publishing the capabilities of their awd sytems. GM does not currently have an Acadia AT4 in their media fleet as far as I have been told. They have no interest in marketing their awd based systems as even remotely capable of off road, despite the badging.

[@27sport86]

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Actually the Timberline uses a Torsen limited slip in the rear axle.

[@deejayimm]

I wonder how much better vehicles would be nowadays if they relied on mechanical diffs instead of electronic control of the ABS system.....

[@Manowar68]

Rally inspired means the AWD system works for mild terrain like in Rally

[@phelandeluna5439]

That thing drives like a CVT!

[@RKmndo]

Many people blame the Subaru CVT for poor offroad power delivery, but it's not the CVT. It's the TCS/VSC that cuts power. Install a rear diff-locker and a newer Subaru climbs much better...while still using the same CVT.

[@phelandeluna5439]

@@RKmndo CVT's are still fragile and junk...and even when you deactivate all that nanny stuff, it still performs poorly

[@hugezit1]

Mini mountain name: Molehill as in mountain out of a molehill?

[@DarthDainese]

Call that hill blind man’s buff 🤪

[@mattdavies3023]

How about ‘sphincter Twitcher’ for the turn into the hill 🤣

[@patrickjoseph1408]

That thing is an insult to the TRD badge, 1/10 for off road capabilities. I bet it can't even go up a steep snowy driveway, LOL!

[@connorbasile]

I’ve climbed the snowey Rockies in Colorado in heavy snow storms on I70, as well as steep snowey parking lots in rental Rav4s on snowboarding trips, and they always did amazing. I’ve actually had a total 180 of experience with the Rav4 on off-roading situations compared to this video as well which is why I wound up buying one.. But I will say- I agree that this thing shouldn’t have a “TRD Off-Road” badge.. Save yourself $10k and just buy a regular RAV4. This trim is a total money grab from Toyota, basically an appearance package.

[@clarkolson22]

Try the encore gx on your off road area

[@ryan_bitt]

What about better tires? Do you think some better tires would have helped it out with traction?

[@pgo2372]

Best tires in the world wouldn't help if the wheel isn't turning.

[@tylersrubar6451]

Mini mountain could be Tommy's Traverse

[@caseyboone6768]

Some of those faces Tommy made 😂😂😂

[@awangadam6537]

would be nice if it can be compared to a subaru forester at the same test track