I Found The REAL Reason Husband Put Cameras In Our House r/Relationships

[@KJ-sp9jq]

That first story is infuriating. Listening to the legal system tell her that her only choice is to be a victim and deal with it proves exactly what is wrong with our legal system. As a father if that was my daughter I would be doing a lot of jail time.

[@BruinPhD2009]

I’m not a father but I have younger sisters and I look at some of the daughters of close friends like they’re nieces. I’d take the cell next to yours if it meant protecting these incredible young women from this kind of cruel bullshit.

[@xientau9028]

@@BruinPhD2009 Not a father, but I have two nieces. ...I'd be in the cell next to you guys.

[@clownrat5759]

@@BruinPhD2009 lock me the fuck up too, then 😂

[@clownrat5759]

@Ibramovic Ernest is she? No. She was taken advantage of and had her right to consent taken away.

[@lucretciaseven4873]

it's not the legal system at fault this time, her lawyer is required to give her the best advice and representation possible and he fulfilled that by laying out to her in clear terms what she was facing and the possible disadvantages to her and gave her a choice. Yes, it is frustrating and unfair, but if he didn't do this and took on a case that the odds against her means he might certainly lose or might damage her to a greater degree than she could cope with or recover from then he would be a really bad lawyer.

[@kbf9644]

#1 - This an unfortunate example of why women don’t always come forward. Often the victim faces repercussions when they’re not in the wrong at all. This isn’t uncommon.

[@Norinia]

Agreed. I was told for years to shut up and take it by teachers who were supposed to protect me, that my parents would hate me if they knew When I finally worked the guts to tell my parents (obviously, they do not hate me) I was 18, so constantly told it was too late it was too late it was too late. I just got a look at a law recently, and it said the harshest age limit for reporting rape and sexual abuse in the country is 23 in NY. I don’t live in NY, so I tried asking my case managers for help. Guess what, constantly ghosted, and legal advice I tried to find on Reddit said anything I tried would be slander (I wanted to at least write on the school’s website review what happened, because the teacher that allowed and forced the incident to happen still works there, as a venerated member) There just isn’t any justice for victims of rape and sexual assault. They demand ‘proof’, and often there’s only circumstances that don’t line up. The monster only did it because they knew they could hide it easily, that they had access to rip up records easily. It still sickens me with what happened to MeToo. It could have been a chance for real victims to be heard, for things to be fixed (I’m sure it would have cleaned society up pretty good) but instead, people who love stirring shit up threw in countless lies, to the point real victims were being thrown in with them, further assaulting them for daring to come forward (I had a sense to stay out, deleted the post I had been about to type in. It still hurt being right about something I had hoped would help, if that makes any sense) All we can do now a days is seriously encourage kids to speak up immediately and loudly when it happens, that their loved and not a damn second of it is/was their fault. Still nothing to help women the second they cross the age barrier.

[@wildfyah]

This ..and it's freaking scary. And other victims can potentially turn on you to protect themselves or their abusers

[@wildfyah]

@@Norinia sorry you went through that. People pretty much distancing themselves from you labelling you as a drama magnet is also a possibility. All because someone else chose you to do awful stuff to.

[@catcando1131]

This is something that actually breaks my heart.

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

This is incredibly sad and heartbreaking to me. This kind of thing makes me lose my faith in humanity. That oftentimes we as a society would much rather protect the abuser than rescue the abused. That NEEDS to change.

[@Mewse1203]

Story 1: cameras in the BEDROOM and BATHROOM without her knowledge is a huge breach of trust. It is super gross and creepy. There is no reason cameras need to be pointed at the bed or in the bathroom. Edit: I hate that this is the reality. How is SHE going to look bad by being secretly recorded? She is the victim of a crime and the lawyer should be Advocating for her but instead they are having to warn her that because she's a victim, she will be further victimized. It's disgusting.

[@WobblesandBean]

Welcome to life as a woman.

[@tamsel814]

Unless somewhere in the app logs there is a reference to her being unaware of the filming they can simply state they she knew or should have known. It sucks, op is stuck in a lose lose situation.

[@cyrusthegreat7030]

The first story sounds pretty fake

[@Mewse1203]

@@cyrusthegreat7030 oh I doubt that...

[@Mewse1203]

@@WobblesandBean oh, I know. It's just disgusting.

[@shikuthetempest]

OP in story one needs to go to the POLICE, not HR. This is a CRIME. I'm absolutely disgusted.

[@garthrogers2269]

I agree. The first thing HR should no about this is when the cops come calling. Problem is, the AHs who have victimised her are in a respected profession that gets a lot of leeway. They may also be covering their tracks if that sack of shit she thought was her boyfriend has tipped them off. He may not have, if he thinks he can con her back into the relationship, or if he thinks that he will suffer career damage from his superiors if he does tell them she discovered their illicit porn ring. More worryingly, someone close to her has told him were she is. Personally, I really wish that OP had woken her abuser by kicking his balls up into his chest cavity the instant she discovered what that pitiful excuse for a human had done.

[@cl5470]

Agree. HR will cover it up. HR is not your friend. They exist to protect the company, not the employees. I wish more people understood this.

[@pezchef7577]

​@@cl5470I got written up for calling our HR person a cop. HR for businesses are there to protect the company as an entity not the employees. so many ppl look at HR with similar rose tinted glasses that folks look at cops. smh

[@jenndowden8131]

40% of police are KNOWN domestic abusers, & that's just what's acknowledged. There are many valid reasons women & girls who are victim to sexually predatory males don't come forward, including but not limited to the fact the system is predatory, & works as intended.

[@ryandylan6946]

As a man i am 100% sure story 1 is manhating fiction. A bunch of "Coworkers" sharing pron vids of "wifes, gf , and fiancees? Normal man never ever show her nude wife to another man, that makes us instant jealous and the blood starts to boil. I even hate it when some dude looks to lo long on her bikini. There is no brocode to do that, not even members of the mafia would do that! No way S1 is real and that the other woman are all ok with that. 100 % Never. And then a lawyer instead of pressing charges at the Police, come on. Police would have confiscated all devices and all the idiodts were in serious trouble and the wifes had and easy divorce and a safe job. If she goes to the police there is no danger. She can't lose her job without repercussions to her job because that's called retaliation and judges rip those cases a new one on the bosses who fire people like that.

[@peachesnsht]

Well, if they have no respect for their partners privacy, imagine what they could be doing in the hospital to the pacients.

[@izzisart]

That was my thought as well. These men are perverts, in charge of vulnerable people.

[@moonbear5929]

Exactly!

[@ryandylan6946]

​@@izzisartAs a man i am 100% sure story 1 is manhating fiction. A bunch of "Coworkers" sharing pron vids of "wifes, gf , and fiancees? Normal man never ever show her nude wife to another man, that makes us instant jealous and the blood starts to boil. I even hate it when some dude looks to lo long on her bikini. There is no brocode to do that, not even members of the mafia would do that! No way S1 is real and that the other woman are all ok with that. 100 % Never. And then a lawyer instead of pressing charges at the Police, come on. Police would have confiscated all devices and all the idiodts were in serious trouble and the wifes had and easy divorce and a safe job. If she goes to the police there is no danger. She can't lose her job without repercussions to her job because that's called retaliation and judges rip those cases a new one on the bosses who fire people like that.

[@AndyyWithAY]

You don't have to say you're not snooping in your own damn house. This is unacceptable. There's no reason for there to be cameras pointed at the bed or anywhere in the bathroom.

[@wessexdruid7598]

Clearly there was a reason. A criminal reason.

[@robertx8020]

The camera's are bad anough! What he (and others) did with the recordings should put them all in jail...for all we know they have camaras in the hospital too!

[@sfamerken12]

@@robertx8020 To be perfectly honest, the camera's aren't the issue. The ignoring of informed consent is. As far as i'm concerned, those ignoring informed consent should lose their freedom for life. For just punishment, put them in jail with camera's everywhere. Let people pay to watch the footage of those people being locked up and possibly becoming jailwives. That would be justice in an ideal world, though punishment would be great too (tho for punishment, i'd go to a dark place you don't want to follow). :)

[@robertx8020]

@@sfamerken12 I agree for the most part but in real life nothing will happen :(

[@sfamerken12]

@@robertx8020 ofc not. Men still dominate that branche of professions. As long as the boys will be boys mentality is accepted, women can be used as toys without consequence for them. Case and point, people will vote for a selfprofessed misogynist (2016). Oh, just lockerroomtalk.

[@amberleeannalee1999]

She needs a new damn lawyer. She’s the victim. I’d go to the media after the police and take down the entire system

[@jakeand9020]

Why a new lawyer? All he did is tell her the truth and gave her a choice.

[@toothless3835]

@@jakeand9020 Because he sucks. That's not how any of that works. secretly recording someone is illegal. And showing the them to other people is consider revenge porn. Her lawyer sucks.

[@jakeand9020]

@@toothless3835 Yes, legally her odds are decent, though not great depending on the other women. However that's irrelevant, socially and career wise if she pursues it, she's screwed, win or lose. Which is exactly what the lawyer told her.

[@sammieg8641]

@@jakeand9020 that was not the truth… he was fear mongering… this happened to a friend of mine with a guy she was dating…. She didn’t know he had put cameras in her house and was posting the stuff on porn sites… a parent saw it and told her… btw she is a teacher… she had to get a lawyer and got to the fbi… Not once did her lawyer tell her it would ruin her life or work… which it did not… she won a settlement and the guy is sitting behind bars… She needs to report that lawyer bc what he told her is bs…. I’ve got plenty lawyers in the fam and they would jump on a case like that to ruin the SO and everyone else… OP would come out on top! Stop Telling the victim to suck it up and move on!

[@sammieg8641]

@@jakeand9020 again no she is not… my friend is still a teacher and that as$hole is behind bars… that lawyer is fear-mongering… in no way would it ruin her career… what a load of bull

[@abm5119]

Story 1: "You have to be okay with losing some friends and some respect from others" That's what you have to expect when you put it out there that your SO filmed you without your knowledge and put it on public media. Lovely.

[@WhitneyDahlin]

Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect Utopia. In a perfect Utopia that wouldn't be the case and none of the victims would have anything said about them or face anything negative from this. Heck this wouldn't have even happened in the first place. But we don't live in a perfect Utopia. This is reality and that lawyer is absolutely right. Her family and friends and colleagues will judge her for it and it might even f****** her career down the line because I guarantee some really powerful men in the job sector she wants to get into that are involved in this. I think the lawyer did well to warn her of what could happen to her if she decides to pursue this. At least that way she has all the information about potential negative consequences for herself so she can make an informed decision that is what is best for her. I hope the lawyer also told her that she doesn't have to do anything about it right now and she should get into therapy before making a decision. I'm not sure what the statute of limitations is on something like this but it's at least a couple years. but the longer she takes reported the more likely it is for the evidence to be lost and the devices thrown away., man I just feel so terrible for her because this guy doesn't deserve to get away with this. None of these men deserve to get away with this. But I also don't want her life to be ruined. I really hope everything works out for her I wish we could have gotten an update

[@cyrusthegreat7030]

The first story sounds hella fake (So many gullible people in these comments lmao)

[@pansprayers]

@@cyrusthegreat7030 so happy you've never been in such a terrifying position, and I sincerely hope that you don't ever find yourself in one. Being said, just because you've never experienced it, doesn't mean it's fake.

[@mkuti-childress3625]

@@pansprayers Definitely a guy. They don’t have these kinds of experiences nearly as often as women do, so some of them just don’t believe it can happen.

[@streamerssaymyname]

@@pansprayers they've been replying this in multiple comments, they're definitely the type to try and put doubts in womens experiences.

[@roowyrm9576]

Sadly, the sort of treatment OP (story 1) is facing from male peers and superiors , is common in professions men tend to be dominant and in positions of power. However guilty the men are, and however much the woman is a victim, attempting to take action against them almost inevitably results in the woman being further victimised, and potentially losing out in their chosen career, sometimes even having to leave it completely. No, it's not justice, at all!

[@krizkatz1574]

I hear this. But I just gotta say 2 can play at the rumor game. I'd be letting other female co workers know to watch out. I'd also start a rumor about someone's lame bedroom performance on socials from a burner account. If there's no justice then vengeance will have to do.

[@Emeraldwitch30]

@@krizkatz1574 she did tell the other women she saw.

[@geovanibenjamin8940]

@@Emeraldwitch30 and the women chose not to take any action, like, either they’re too scared to do anything just like OP and even sended her the messages as to tell her “don’t say anything, you’ll get us ALL screwed” or they simply enjoy being filmed

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

@@krizkatz1574 these people are pure evil, they will find out and blame her, no? Is that not risky to spread rumors, I mean who else could it be other than a former ex or current gf?

[@ineedhoez]

She was gonna leave anyway

[@MrRandom543211]

Story 1 is so sad, because she may feel like if she brings it to light that she'll be embarrassed and have things hanging over her head as threats, but what she fails to realise is that she's ALREADY in that situation, at least if she took it to the cops and got it all exposed there's be huge legal ramifications for anyone who tried to threaten or reveal anything

[@ArmageddonAngel]

As much as I would love for her to go and proverbially burn the place to the ground, the lawyer is probably right. This would be seen as more of a domestic dispute rather than a work violation unless the other women in the video come forward. It's sick and op should leave the relationship but reporting it almost certainly wouldn't give her the results she's looking for. Our laws haven't caught up with this kind of crime yet.

[@WobblesandBean]

@@ArmageddonAngel Yup. This is reality for us women. I've been fired from jobs for reporting similar things from my coworkers, and since I was in an at-will employment state, there was nothing I could do. I've been blamed for my own s. assault more times than I can count. These despicable men will go on to do this again, and again, and again, and nothing will happen to them because the hospital will do everything in its power to rugsweep every time.

[@MrRandom543211]

@@ArmageddonAngel is it not illegal to record someone in a private area without their consent? If the law is being broken it would be more than a simple couple's dispute

[@AIBot929]

@@ArmageddonAngel Maybe maybe not HR is there to protect the company, the fact that multiple people on staff are envolved can be an HR problem. She doesnt know if the others envolved have cases against them or what, I guess the other issue is the other women coming forward.

[@ArmageddonAngel]

@@MrRandom543211 Is it morally wrong? Yes. But legally, it depends on the local laws. Now IANAL but depending on whether she lives in a 1 or 2 party consent state, it could make a difference. And even then, HR isn't going to take a stand unless this affects the work environment, like he did this to more people. Any crime that she could go to the police about would probably be registered as a domestic dispute

[@JasperCatProductions]

Dump the hiking boyfriend, he stole your water after you helped him. Disgusting, and then big baby pouts and drives off. Dump city.

[@benmorley8812]

The last story is an example of why you shouldn't allow an idiot to hike in the desert. He was mildly inconvenienced and drained water from OP, and drank way more than her before whining and trying to steal the water she had left after she gave her rationed extras. NTA.

[@happymama2793]

One thing women grow to understand is that there are men, men in ALL circles, and ALL walks of life that take advantage of women. Doctors, adopters, fathers, husbands, protectors, etc. Something women have also grown to realize is A Lot of the abusers CHOOSE these positions to make abusing Easier.

[@cheriremily9360]

Thank you for saying that.

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

This is a very wise comment. Should be flaunted for all to see, especially the poor victims who feel that they have no one in their corner.

[@hiphopapotamus6913]

First story: This is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard, wtaf kind of disgusting sh*t is this! They should all be jailed for what they’ve done to OP. I’m a “burn the whole village to the ground” kind of gal but that’s just me.

[@ladyj.9350]

I self sabotage on a good day so I’m with you on the kamikaze strategy

[@Undomaranel]

When the whole village is actively complicit in something that actively destroys everyone? I'll bring the matches. There's a big difference between one person wrong another and have a few friends on their side vs an entire network of coworkers engaged in harassing and enjoying harrassing others. Also: ANYONE who deals with the public should not be involved in such scandals. I imagine if this were a ring of teachers the lawyers would have a different opinion.

[@Digitalfairy]

@@Undomaranel Don't mind if I help you do a repeat of dogville.

[@dune3001]

Me too, for sure. Police, lawyer and most importantly, the freaking media! Because that is the only way to actually make it known to people what kind of monsters the "doctors" really are.

[@kellypatterson8506]

That guy has committed a multitude of state and federal crimes hes looking at a lot of time in jail

[@immapotato1]

nope he's protected by the money of the entire hospital because of how deep the rabbit hole is. sadly her lawyer is right. she might be able to sue him but in the end her life will be destroyed by the medical community

[@kellypatterson8506]

@@immapotato1 no, he still committed the crimes regardless of the protection.

[@SilverstreamPJ28]

@@immapotato1 her laywer is a scam, she needs a second opinion. There's literally no way a judge would let this go. Hell, she could even be awarded money from the hospital that hired so many sexual predators.

[@clownrat5759]

@@kellypatterson8506 he committed them and won’t be held accountable for them ever.

[@sboyle536]

Dr Nasser anyone? There will always be unethical physicians when victims stay silent. But who wants to be victimized again? And by the "justice" system? Don't think it was easy for the athletes.

[@manxiefeathermoon9888]

Story one: a woman's career will always be at the whim of men. To be violated and still be at the whim of those monsters

[@shadamyandsonamylover]

Well, it’s not so much at the whim of men so much as that it’s at the whim of those in power. It just happens to be mostly men.

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

I know. Just disgusting. I can't even call them animals because that would be an insult to animals who I'm sure would not be associated with these "men." That is one of my biggest pet peeves, men treating women like they're toys, trophies or meat and and thinking they can get away with it, and half of the time do get with it. And even when they're busted, they usually get a slap on the wrist, and not the full punishment they deserve. Seriously, what on earth is wrong with our society if this kind of behavior is acceptable?

[@candypettynettie487]

Story 1- Op needs to go forward with the lawsuit. The pics and videos can come back years from now and bite her in the ass. I've seen this before. With the lawsuit on file she has more leverage. She needs to expose everyone.

[@draconisdragonheart4248]

EXACTLY. The lawsuit should request all videos be destroyed. Some states also have porn laws that prohibit the husband from sending it for revenge.

[@ryandylan6946]

@@draconisdragonheart4248 As a man i am 100% sure story 1 is manhating fiction. A bunch of "Coworkers" sharing pron vids of "wifes, gf , and fiancees? Normal man never ever show her nude wife to another man, that makes us instant jealous and the blood starts to boil. I even hate it when some dude looks to lo long on her bikini. There is no brocode to do that, not even members of the mafia would do that! No way S1 is real and that the other woman are all ok with that. 100 % Never. And then a lawyer instead of pressing charges at the Police, come on. Police would have confiscated all devices and all the idiodts were in serious trouble and the wifes had and easy divorce and a safe job. If she goes to the police there is no danger. She can't lose her job without repercussions to her job because that's called retaliation and judges rip those cases a new one on the bosses who fire people like that. And as a bonus police would delete all videos.

[@crowdemon_archives]

​@@ryandylan6946 you highly underestimate abusers and narcissists.

[@AndyyWithAY]

I guess what OP is saying there's footage of her pleasuring herself. That's a very normal thing. It's not like she posted videos from the hospital bathroom on Only Fans. She was in her private bedroom and recorded without permission. That should not ruin HER career.

[@WobblesandBean]

The medical industry is vile and corrupt af. They talk to one another, if one person makes them mad, that person blacklisted from ever working in the medical field again. They look out for themselves, and themselves only. There are multiple stories of hospitals protecting serial killers working as nurses there, simply because if word got out, they'd be sued. So they rug-swept and kept shut as they went on to hospital after hospital, murdering dozens only to be quietly passed along to another hospital none the wiser. They'd even give glowing reviews of them, just to get rid of them and wash their hands of it. Now these evil men will go on to victimize countless other women, cuz OP refuses to do the right thing. I understand the pressure being put on her, but I can't help but feel angry and frustrated.

[@mkuti-childress3625]

It definitely could ruin her career, since some of the perpetrators are men who have her future in their hands. They could ruin her by spreading rumors, lying about her behavior at work, and refusing to provide her with references. All they have to say was that she gave her consent to be in the videos and was now lying about it just to hurt her ex. This happens to women all the time, and they always seem to end up looking like the bad guys.

[@jaymel4691]

It shouldn't, but unfortunately it probably would. In an ideal world, victims would get justice instead of being further victimized by the system and the perpetrators. Sadly that isn't the world we live in. I hope OP gets put safe from her (I hope) ex, and move away to work somewhere else.

[@andredunbar3773]

@@moon-moth1 Wouldn't be surprised if it happened in America

[@golden_leader9227]

@@moon-moth1 Unfortunately it's still "shameful" for the victim even in the western world. We have a looooong way to go before we can get rid of these atrocious behaviours.

[@aliasaidi8801]

The ESH comments on story 3 are annoying. She brought/gave him extra water, thinking he probably didn't bring enough for himself, which he clearly didn't. She planned ahead and helped him. It was him taking Her water without saying anything that got on her nerves. His arrogance would've put himself in danger but she kept him safe. He wasn't in danger of serious dehydration if he was able to storm off like that, he was just uncomfortable and unable to admit he was wrong.

[@Cthulus_left_tentacle]

Yes. He was effectively drinking ALL her water. 24oz is less than how much you need to be drinking at sea level in regular conditions over 5 hours, let alone in desert heat. Any hiker or Eagle Scout worth their salt knows to bring MORE water than you need in case of an emergency. It’s like people that think they don’t need sunscreen: Imagine thinking you’re tougher than the sun? The fuckin SUN.

[@Mewse1203]

Story 3: NTA for being an eagle scout, he sure came unprepared. She legit warned him and he became a dick about and STILL she shared her water with him which is more than many would do. How does he repay her? By trying to take what little she has left and then getting mad when called out for his shitty behavior. OP should be glad he hasn't called her. People that can't accept they are wrong don't make good partners. Edit: No. He made it clear she was not to bring up the water subject again. She didn't leave him to die like that ESH comment suggested. She made sure he had water to hey through AT HER EXPENSE and still he wasn't satisfied. This was his arrogance, not her. And he had plenty of water. He wasn't in any danger. Also, the point person realistically in danger was her. Him drinking the rest of her water after destroying all her extra could have put HER in danger.

[@sherrybarello8873]

And ,something that seems to be overlooked,

[@mbyerly9680]

If he's telling the truth about being an Eagle, he's no Scout my Scout Master father would have allowed an Eagle. Being a Scout is about character and good behavior more than it is about merit badges. And he'd know survival rules because my dad trained his Scouts at all ages on survival in bad situations. That's why he's still revered by all his former Scouts although he's been dead for 40 years.

[@zebnemma]

Yep I think his behavior around all that warrants a break up. If he's this butthurt about something silly as water he's too fragile and egomaniac to have as a longterm partner. OP should be glad he showed his true colors over something this silly, because if the situation was serious there's no telling what such a egocentric jerk would do. He could seriously endanger them both just because he's too pridefull to admit he could be wrong. Like imagine if they are driving a car and he's speeding and driving like a madman and she points it out, is he gonna start driving even more crazy because her comment made him angry? He was so pridefull to admit he was wrong he even started stealing her water in secret ffs. He could have just said he was wrong and asked if she could share some more water with him like a normal person. It's so funny that people consumed by pride don't realize the constant temper tantrums they throw hurt their character way more than if they would just admit they were wrong. They keep embarrasing themselves so save pride and is gonna get a reputation for being such an insecure bastard.

[@lista2308]

He must have skipped the Scout meetings about staying hydrated and taking resoonsiblity for his own actions

[@Russman67]

Story 3: "Eagle Scouts can survive in the wild". This phrase right here absolves OP from guilt. He wasn't ready. Not the asshole

[@DMFP42]

Story 3: NTA, you gave him all the extra water and he left you behind, and abandoned you at the trail. He was wasting water on purpose.

[@WobblesandBean]

Story 1: Of course it's an age gap relationship.

[@jenniferb590]

@@holographicwing Age gap has nothing to do with it. My husband was 9 years older than me and wouldn't have dreamed of doing such things. It's what this person would have done this to any body he lived with. Stop with the stupidity that age gaps are to blame, most same age partnerships are just as toxic if not more so.

[@jenniferb590]

By the way we were married for 45 years before he passed away.

[@jasminerobertson4913]

​​​@@jenniferb590Very defensive there. You proved their point😊

[@NJ-kp3wu]

What a ridiculous statement. Once both people are grown-ups, a six-year gap is inconsequential.

[@TsukiKageTora]

Story 3: So OP warned her boyfriend he needs to bring more water on a 90 degree hike which he never experienced and he chose to be offended and bring less than the amount OP said to. He drank it all before they even got to the peak. Then the spare water OP had, she gave to him. Then he tried to steal the only water OP had left. When OP got mad at him for doing that, he got mad and abandoned her in the area when he drove off And OP had to come to reddit because she thinks she is an asshole? The dude is abusive or at the very least had severe anger issues if he is quick to abandon the people he gets mad at. Who the fuck abandons people in 90 degree heat? (Unless they drove separately, but still he gets offended at OP for not letting him steal her water when she gave him all her extras) OP this is the need for you to think long and hard about the answer to the serious question of “do I really see a future with this person?”

[@lovelysakurapetalsyt]

Seriously this, the comments were so fucking delusional

[@TsukiKageTora]

@@lovelysakurapetalsyt I do agree with one of them being that she saw him being that little water and didn’t tell him to get more or postpone their hike because she got hurt of his words a few weeks ago. As much as he could have listened, she could have persisted or stopped the hike Both are not good for each other but OP is less of the asshole in this situation. Especially when he took all her water and still was going to steal the water. Like, isn’t that dangerous too? He took someone else’s water and risked their health because they didn’t listen to that someone else’s warnings He is the only asshole here

[@joshuarich2607]

Former Scout here and that dude broke the cardinal rule to not be shown up by a girl, "be prepared". He did not take into concideration the terran which will increase the ambient temp, they are hiking in a dry,rocky terran that will reflect the heat back up and retain or of it too.This is not your midwest coastal greenery. I doubt that he is an Scout or if he is been pampered. All this to not be told what to do from a native that happens to be a woman. SMH

[@TsukiKageTora]

@@joshuarich2607 is it really a rule that says for boys in the scouts “not to be shown up by a girl”? How sexist can you get?

[@IndigoWhite]

Op in story one need’s to go to police, depending on the state this is a HUGE crime. Also if they do try to post things as revenge to ruin her career that would be revenge p and is also a crime. Take all of them to court for the women she doesn’t recognize and can’t warn. They might not be safe.

[@babygirl_lunaa9096]

"I'm 85, my opinion doesn't matter" I'm dying, I love this grandpa

[@lostprincess3452]

Story 3: as a former scout who knows several eagle scouts and could only not get the rank of eagle scout because of her gender, any eagle scout worth their salt would 1. Know to listen to the local person about needed equipment 2. Do their research about hiking in an unfamiliar area 3. Know that 1 24oz water bottle is not enough for anything harder than a short hike, even on the east coast in high humidity. This guy is just arrogant and doesn't want to injure his pride and ego by saying he doesn't know or isn't sure. He should stop calling himself an eagle scout.

[@janglesthearsonist5265]

Story 2: My Grandfather R.I.P. was an Eagle Scout and there was one very important lesson he learned while in working on achieving the rank as a teenager that he imparted to me. It was that know matter how much you think you know about something there is always either more to learn or further improvements to make and people that think they know everything are actually the most ignorant. He also taught me what ignorance truly means and how it's not always a bad thing as long as people are willing to learn and change.

[@BNezzy]

the only ignorance in story 2 was that OP was projecting that her grandfather was homophobic which turned out to be the furthest from the truth lol. I hope this taught OP a valuable lesson.

[@CJ-BZ]

you must be talking about Story 3

[@Resilient_Sage88]

I feel bad for the first OP. She was grossly violated and can't really do anything about it. I wish there was something she could do. Stan wholesome grandpa in the Marriage story. Not sharing water story: break up with the man child.

[@AndyyWithAY]

You need to leave this situation safely. If necessary work at another hospital. It sucks, but better than working under known perverts and abusers. This is like revenge porn or something.

[@PrimateProductions]

Why are you writing this as if the person who wrote it would be reading your comments? These stories are pulled off of Reddit and the people who write them are usually not even aware that there are channels on KZbin who use them to make videos like this! Also this is NOTHING like "revenge porn"!

[@rubymeaddle]

From what I understand, it's still illegal to put cameras in bathrooms, even in private residences because guests have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Every member of that group chat needs their medical credentials revoked. Also: this is why victims don't come forward. We're reviolated again in court and humiliated. Hell, the physical exam after an SA is so invasive that you don't even want to get checked out for your health.

[@dianabialaskahansen2972]

Story 1: OP needs to tell her parents. Hopefully they would have a solution to unaliving the bastard without any evidence pointing towards them. And a criminal investigation would unravel everything for all of the people involved. Let all of those breaches of privacy come out.

[@jjr9792]

Story 1: I really hope OP consult a few more lawyers and gets a second or even third opinion. Not every law firm has someone who specializes in revenge pornography laws, and there's just something... off... about the advice from her her current legal counsel.

[@lostshadows768]

Story 3: NTA OP had only drunk two liters and described the remaining liter as enough to keep her comfortable on the way down, not keep her alive. He'd drunk more than 2 liters already, between his bottle and her four. He wasn't in any danger. OP should definitely rethink the relationship.

[@somerandoonyt9553]

Story 3. I love how everyone is saying that the BF could have been in danger without the water. OP was regulating her own water, ensuring to not over drink and make it last while still being comfortable. Do those commenter expect her to possibly put herself in danger by allowing someone else to drink her water so they're not in danger? Sounds like the BF would have drank all the water, and not left her any, putting her in possible harms way because he stupidly drank all his water. As an eagle scout, one of the first things he was taught was conservation of your resources. OP is NTA

[@mbyerly9680]

And then he would have left her out there and not come back because he's protecting his own ass. If he's an Eagle, he's a piss-poor one because he went against all the major Scout laws they must say at every meeting.

[@cjb2749]

Girl, run. now. I saw signs of selfishness and immaturity in my ex, but I explained them away as circumstantial. I had so many justifications; "we're young," "he's just tired," "sure, it's a red flag, but not something to throw away a relationship over," "it's not like he acts like that ALL the time," etc. I ended up having 2 kids with him, and being the only adult in the house. No, he didn't leave, he just became a 3rd child. He was all about his whims, and all of the responsibilities (aside from his job) fell on me. I can't even explain the toll it takes on a person... to be the one who has to handle EVERYTHING... to have another person there who isn't actually THERE... living with a man-child who doesn't understand the concept of consideration, and believes that throwing money into the household was all of the teamwork that he needed to participate in... it damaged me, both physically and mentally/emotionally. I stayed way too long. Please don't put yourself through that.

[@carrissa8867]

Wow this resignated with me I sometimes feel the same

[@cjb2749]

@@carrissa8867 please save yourself. It's much easier (emotionally) to handle everything on your own when you KNOW it's all on you and you're not constantly being drained by disappointment, hurt, and frustration. The longer you stay, the more damage it does, and the harder it becomes to let go and move on. I hung in there and worked so incredibly hard for 24yrs, getting by on this belief that I had, trusting that he eventually would become a better partner. I held on to what we had, imagined what I thought we WOULD have in the future, envisioning it like a destination that I was working to reach. I turned myself upside down and inside out trying to be the best... hoping that it would inspire him to be more considerate and thoughtful, that he'd value me more. I do not recommend giving that much of yourself to somebody who doesn't even give you the bare minimum in return.

[@carrissa8867]

It is something I've been thinking About for years now we have 3 children and I guess I'm scared to do it alone but as you pointed out I already am pretty much

[@nomollyshere]

If they’re going to ruin your career then take them ALL down with you! S1: get a lawyer, file a police report, name ALL the names then give copy of police report to HR. Find out laws for workplace retaliation and sue the hospital for even suggesting that they’ll punish you. Publicize the ENTIRE crime (thru the lawyer) in interviews (name names, hospital, and school!) so the entire community knows to no longer trust them! The slime will stick to them forever and yes, they may retaliate BUT by filing criminal charges first that may end up biting them all in the butt later. That’s what I would do cuz I’m very VERY petty. Also would take a gap year, transfer to another school in another state and rethink a career in medicine…maybe switch to law to become an advocate.

[@only1one1me]

Story 3: That dude was in no life-threatening danger. Reddit can be so dramatic.

[@4BWVan]

Story 1 is absolutely heartbreaking, because the lawyer is correct: the men involved likely won't receive any consequences at all, and she could lose her career.

[@lovelysakurapetalsyt]

If she goes to the police and the news, then no. She can't lose her job without repercussions to her job because that's called retaliation and judges rip those cases a new one on the bosses who fire people like that

[@flashingunicorncupcakekiss1436]

1st story I think is every woman's worst nightmare come true! It's as if his and colleagues actions were not only meant as an act of voyeurism but also to degrade their female colleagues. To put them in their place to show them that they're nothing more than a lowly woman and nothing more than a sex object for them to ogle no matter how smart the woman may think they are. These women were blindsided by the men they most trusted in this world and no "sorrys or please forgive me" will never ever make up for their heartless unconscionable actions. I say nuclear revenge is an order here! Damn the torpedoes full steam ahead!!!

[@dune3001]

The fact that the other women are stating with their s.o. is disgusting me...

[@ryandylan6946]

@@dune3001 its called fiction. As a man i am 100% sure story 1 is manhating fiction. A bunch of "Coworkers" sharing pron vids of "wifes, gf , and fiancees? Normal man never ever show her nude wife to another man, that makes us instant jealous and the blood starts to boil. I even hate it when some dude looks to lo long on her bikini. There is no brocode to do that, not even members of the mafia would do that! No way S1 is real and that the other woman are all ok with that. 100 % Never. And then a lawyer instead of pressing charges at the Police, come on. Police would have confiscated all devices and all the idiodts were in serious trouble and the wifes had and easy divorce and a safe job. If she goes to the police there is no danger. She can't lose her job without repercussions to her job because that's called retaliation and judges rip those cases a new one on the bosses who fire people like that.

[@pixiedream1938]

Story 1: That is called Patriarchal Pact, when men support each other to sexually assault (yes this is sexual assault) the women in their lives (girlfriends, friends, partners, sisters, cousins, nieces, daughters).

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

That is incredibly disgusting. What A-holes! Who raised these filthy pieces of trash?! ಠ⁠︵⁠ಠ

[@jakeand9020]

No, what this is called is fiction.

[@ryandylan6946]

As a man i am 100% sure story 1 is manhating fiction. A bunch of "Coworkers" sharing pron vids of "wifes, gf , and fiancees? Normal man never ever show her nude wife to another man, that makes us instant jealous and the blood starts to boil. I even hate it when some dude looks to lo long on her bikini. There is no brocode to do that, not even members of the mafia would do that! No way S1 is real and that the other woman are all ok with that. 100 % Never. And then a lawyer instead of pressing charges at the Police, come on. Police would have confiscated all devices and all the idiodts were in serious trouble and the wifes had and easy divorce and a safe job. If she goes to the police there is no danger. She can't lose her job without repercussions to her job because that's called retaliation and judges rip those cases a new one on the bosses who fire people like that.

[@lauraanderson8785]

​@@ryandylan6946 I appreciate your optimism, but sadly there is nothing unrealistic about this story. First off, there have been thousands of men who have done this. I agree that no man with any kind of morals or soul would do it, but the problem is that there are so many evil people in the world. There are countless documented cases of husbands sharing nudes of their wives or filming them without consent. Even what comes to Korea's Nth room (it's a very dark case so research it only if you can handle it), 260 *thousand* men shared illegally acquired nudes of their wives, daughters, nieces, sisters, etc in order to gain access to a group chat where to consume CP. And this was all verified by authorities. Sharing those nudes was a part of the price of admission. There are monsters out there that will absolutely do things like this and there are hundreds of thousands of these monsters out there. If you start looking into stories about s3xual content being shared illegally, you'll find a never-ending list of tragic cases. And also this type of thing can and will ruin a woman's career. Again, it's been documented that women have lost their careers, families, friends, and future because of things like this, and some even lost their lives by their own hand. The lawyer in this story was just telling her the truth: people are going to treat her like shit if this comes to light. They'll shame her, lose respect for her, gossip about her, and especially people at work will give her a hard time because they'll be terrified of losing their jobs. It shouldn't be this way, and I hope that one day it won't be.

[@HidanKitten32]

Yeah, the ESH in the last story kind of annoy me. She DID share her water. Gave him several of her extra bottles. She was very justified in getting angry that he was trying to STEAL her water. Ugh, I wish I could find this story in reddit so I reply to the idiots saying these things

[@evavargas2926]

The second story had me crying 😭. Grampa was so sweet.

[@cptfwiffo]

Not really caring if she's gay, but focusing on the issues gay people have and wanting to know if she can be happy, because he cares so much. I'ts a burden to be different, and grampa caught that immediately.

[@KittenUndercover]

Story 1: sadly this advice from the lawyer is all too true. I had a bosses bosses boss who assaulted me when I was 22 (younger than his oldest daughter) and when I mentioned it to HR I was told that my career would be ruined and nothing would happen to him. I was disgusted.

[@sebastianquinchia1840]

I'm so sorry for what you went through.

[@lovelysakurapetalsyt]

I'm sorry what you went through! But OP definitely needs to go to the police, HR certainly won't help, they'll only try to save their own asses

[@juliebiggerbear7300]

That first story is a commentary on society today, and a sad and angering one at that. She never gave consent to have her in-home activity recorded and SHARED! And yet, even though she’s the victim, it’s HER reputation on the line if she reports it rather than his. Makes me want to throw things… Story 3: Yep, she’s dating a man-child. If her extra water bottles were 16oz each, added to his 24oz container? He went through around 100oz of water by the time they reached the peak. Or approximately 3 liters! Her water pack alone was 3 liters, and keeping in mind that she had a liter left at the peak, it speaks a lot to his ‘experience’ with hiking. She’s definitely NTA, and he was in no danger of anything beyond needing to find a boulder to pee behind. Hope she leaves the man-child alone, nobody needs that kind of drama.

[@ceeshnia]

Thing is, the dude was a complete moron in not addressing the fact that hiking on the east coast that has humidity and oftentimes, water that can be found along the hike is going to be worlds away from a dry, desert hike where your sweat evaporates before you realize it's there. Plus if it's rain season, you don't want to be hiking at all because unlike the east coast, those canyons can flood and the paths wash out. He definitely wasn't in the danger zone of anything but having a bruised ego; not someone who makes a good partner if he acts like a child for being called out on his bull.

[@KE-hr4sb]

S1: She needs to call the cops and sue him for everything he is worth. Also, blow the whistle on the male colleagues showing videos of the other women. This is disgusting, violating behavior. I would personally go scorched earth. YOU have nothing to be ashamed about. However, you spelled ex-bf wrong. "He said he liked being watched"? I call bullshit yet again. Otherwise, why were YOU the only one in the frame? S3: Nope, NTA. He claimed to be something he wasn't (a proficient hiker). He got mad at your gentle reminder about water. Then he didn't pack nearly enough. You kindly gave him your spare, even after he blew up at you for your reminder. Trying to steal your water, which you needed to keep yourself safely hydrated? That's a no from me dawg. You don't have to set yourself on fire to keep him warm, as the saying goes.

[@lucielledunns4585]

I agreed; PEOPLE, staying quiet only protect the GUILTY!

[@magnarcreed3801]

Yes. People saying otherwise are probably also sexual predator is or spineless worthless sacks of flesh.

[@RaspberryHugs]

If she went to the cops it'll only work against her. He chose angles and positions where she was clearly visible and he wasn't. Even if people know she was the victim women have still been professionally, lawfully and socially fucked because of videos like that men have taken REGARDLESS of the circumstances. Your point is well meaning but naive. It would completely and totally fuck her life while the law has taught us she'll be lucky if the men get a slap on the wrist.

[@KE-hr4sb]

@@RaspberryHugs Nothing is going to change if people hide and are too afraid to fight. Look how many years it took to get Larry Nasser (just finished watching that on Netflix), but his victims stood up. Yes, they took a reputation hit. Some of the internet comments saying they wanted it was absolutely disgusting. *But they got him.* I'm not naive or think that Justice is Just, but we can fight for the change we want to see. Otherwise, nothing changes. And I don't give a damn about my reputation. =P Let em call me a whore, I and those whose opinions matter to me, know the truth. Also, in some places having a camera on people that don't know they are being recorded is illegal, and that doesn't even factor in the fact that he made porn without her knowledge or consent.

[@RaspberryHugs]

@@KE-hr4sb Yeah that's true but that wasn't the point of my post. For people who are well known they take a hit but for men NOT in the public eye like these guys they are lucky to get a slap on the wrist. Her life and the lives of the other women would be DESTROYED. Do you understand that? professionally fucked, lost all her friends and disowned or family in jail for a long time fucked, can't even start over in a new career because it might follow her there fucked. Once again you're comment is well meaning but naive. It is so rare men ever get any consequences from things like this. I know once you watch a documentary where one man got his comeuppance you think it's becoming more common but it isn't. Even today Larry Nasser is a rare case. Women face more consequences from it going public then men do. That's the truth for the 95% of cases and not the 5% you are talking about.

[@queencars802]

I've actually seen chats like those, theres ALOT on FB, groups of men that send nudes. If it was like corn stars whatever but it was like their wives, girlfriends, and friends. Lots of random hookups, it's pretty messed up but that's not as bad as this story since the groups I've seen were all strangers. Terrible when it's people you know and work with being shown it

[@stephlala7466]

I've worked in hospitals, it has worse politics than government. Unfortunately the poor op leaving quietly was the safest thing for her to do, the retaliation she would have faced would have been more harmful then trying to gain justice, sad but true. I hope she heals and is able to one day find a better place in life. There are so many horror stories I do not miss the medical field at all.

[@janglesthearsonist5265]

Story 1: Cameras in the bathroom? Is he afraid that the wet-bandits from Home Alone are real?

[@WiseWordsbyWiki]

Honestly the results of story 1 doesn't surprise me much. I remember reading an article a few years ago from a women who was fighting revenge porn and trying to get laws passed to ban it. (Since then I think some have been passed) she started because of the hell her daughter went through and how much it destroyed her. She shared a story about one of the revenge porn group she kept an eye on. They had started a count down for a picture release of a woman who worked as a teacher for grade level schools, except they weren't real. They were pictures that they had edited her face on. I don't even think any of them knew her, but she had caught their attention. So they dropped the photos and sent them to everyone in her life she could as well as her contact information. The main woman, once seeing the drop and the included phone called the teacher to offer support. By the time she called the teacher the woman was in the school parking lot without a job and getting messages from people both to question and harass her. I think it had also been sent to parents in the area so she basically couldn't work with kids anywhere she lived, despite being what her job training was.

[@star3catcherSEQUEL]

What the fuck is wrong with people? Not only the people who did the revenge, but the people who fired her. Fired for fucking WHAT? Having sex? Was it some big secret that a grown ass woman has sex?

[@WiseWordsbyWiki]

@@star3catcherSEQUEL honest the entire treatment of sexual assault or harassment is a nightmare in America and while thankful revenge porn laws are now in place some issues off the top of my head are: * There have been a few cases where judges have deemed woman not to be raped based off of what they were wearing, like one case where the judge decided the woman jeans were too tight to have been forced off *Twoish years ago thousands of untested rape kits were disposed of due to lack of space *Some studies will show a higher rate of false accusations that there actually are as any case that wasn't pursued by police, regardless of reason or lack of reason, was labeled as false in the systems *Child marriage is actually still legal in many places in the US as long as the parents consent, guess how often that is to hide a 40 year old sleeping with a 14 year old?

[@cheriremily9360]

@@star3catcherSEQUEL we are still fighting for bodily autonomy and the more the religious right votes in the crazies who want to give more power to a zygote or even an abuser if the girl gets pregnant. Children who are rape are forced to remain pregnant. Hell, even grown women. This is not about the rights of the fetus, but about the rights a woman has over her own body. There is even this so-called 'purity' culture out there. In the minds of the people who are in control, even women, a woman is not supposed to have a say over what happens to her body. That is why we still have dismal stats when it comes down to SA, molestation, rape. Last I checked it was 1 out of 3 women and 1 out of 5 men will have survived or suffered some sort of sexual assault.

[@mariajw4803]

"We must protect this grandpa at all costs!" Love it

[@AnymousScreams]

My grandmother is in her 90's and wouldn't approve of anything outside a straight relationship. I get where OP is coming from, but also should tell those closest to her. OP did that. If my grandmother can accept my tattoo, and desire for more, she can probably accept me being happy with someone. Technically, she did tell her grandfather.

[@LaineyBug2020]

Oooh, I would get a second opinion on that lawyer because if she got fired for this after reporting she was the victim, they could be sued for wrongful termination. I would also contact the police. Also look for a revenge porn support group. Maybe look for a hacktivist that could seek & destroy all the copies at the very least. This is like the worst kind of betrayal and these kind of people should end up on sex offender registries!

[@ComaLies225]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Op needs to get the police involved and contact HR from the hospital. This is such an invasion of privacy I’m freakin go SEETHING for her. Edit: just saw her comment from her lawyer. Sue the school for creating a hostile work environment and sexual harassment

[@alg94]

i would tell op to report it. theyre just going to keep doing it to other women. she should try to find a different lawyer because she deserves someone who will fight for her and all the other women that these assholes are doing this to. imagine how these men are to unconscious female patients? they shouldn't be in any position of care over anyone

[@heathermcdougall8023]

OP you can turn this right around, and instead of being the terrified victim of your boyfriend, you become the powerful , in control , tough survivor they are terrified of. Their criminal behaviour and violent sexism is blackmailable. You're answer to ANY horrible comments is "so you admit you were part of a criminal sexual spying ring - let's really hope nobody finds out about that eh? Wouldn't do much for your career if I talked , would it?" and watch them run from you in fear.

[@garthrogers2269]

Sadly, if OP follows this route, her abusers will then be able to further victimize her by claiming that SHE is blackmailing them and that everything was consensual. Especially since the odds are great that her so-called (now ex) boyfriend will back them out of self interest. Her best bet is a double whammy of criminal and civil charges.

[@miasasmrandsinging5426]

I hope op in story 1 gets justice! That is such a currupt system where the victim of a crime is further punished through no fault of their own. I hope some sort of criminal investigation happened.

[@ssaharam]

I work overnight shifts and listening to these videos at like 2 am is such a vibe

[@littleolmee]

For what it's worth, thank you Mark for your reaction to story 1. Yes, most the time even when a woman is the victim of something they will find themselves being dragged through the mud for what happened to them. It's not right, but here it is.

[@cocobrowny]

I feel like story 1 does not take place in the US/UK etc. Basically, not anywhere considered as ‘the western world’, because none of this advice from the lawyer to not report the incident wouldn’t fly. This woman has enough ammunition to level an entire building. If the hospital did anything dodgy with regards to transfers, references or potential blacklisting, she could sue them or go to the media. The fact that this doesn’t seem to be an option suggests to me that this is happening in a country (maybe Far East, S America etc) where that type of litigation isn’t common or where women’s rights and privacy laws are a bit sketchy

[@DerekScottBland]

Story 1 - that lawyer is involved with the BF, one of the other guys, or the hospital. There's no way an unbiased lawyer would give that advice.

[@Tyanna01]

Story 3: NTA. OP packed extra water, by the sounds of it b/c she knew he would need it, and he did. It doesn't sound like he ever asked for extra water, and even tried to steal more water instead of asking. He was able to finish the hike without any extra water. Then Mr. Eagle Scout threw a temper tantrum, left without her, and is now giving her the silent treatment. Sounds like the trash took itself out. If you can't give your SO advice without them blowing up, don't be with that SO. If your SO can't admit they were wrong, and can't ask for help, don't be with that SO.

[@Heisntthesun-youare]

Story 1 genuinely hurt to hear. I feel so sorry for that woman. She will forever be afraid these video ms will come out one day when she least expects it. She is going to have to warn any new job or partner that this could potentially be out there. How messed up is that🥺

[@bartvansliedregt5482]

My april fools paranoia has me thinking this will be a prank. I hope not. Have a good one everyone

[@CreepyBlueAnimals84]

I don't think I've ever wanted an update as much as I did with Story 1. These men are mentors, husbands, parents, medical professionals and they are getting away with an absolutely horrible crime. The position OP is in sounds extremely confusing and difficult. I just want to know that she got her revenge in the end!!

[@galaxywanderer5508]

Story 1. I would be reporting everyone to HR with proof, telling thier girlfriends, dumping the boyfriend and pressing some sort of charges. If I get fired I'm making it a huge sexual harrasment thing. Edit: Well so much for that. The Gfs have no self-respect.

[@HaizeyWings]

I get what you're saying, it would be so cathartic and satisfying if OP reported the disgusting behaviour of her boyfriend and colleagues. However, her own lawyer advised against it, because it would probably end her career. She says the hospital would cover it up, which is just despicable, but she and the other victims are just a few people against a huge institution. They are victims, stuck between a rock and a hard place. I have so much empathy for them. It's not a matter of self respect, it's self preservation. The best thing she and the partners of the p0rn sharing perverts can do is look out for their own interests, which for OP means furthering her career in medicine. It's a horrible reality and shouldn't happen ever, this is why we need to talk about these things and bring attention to them so women in medicine won't have to suffer the same as OP

[@owl7072]

Story 1: "I don't want to tell my parents because they'd go to jail for murder if they found out" Op _I'M_ gonna go to jail for murder if I ever find out who he is 🤨 (for legal reasons I am not being serious)

[@lovelysakurapetalsyt]

Lmao same tho (joking but seriously this man is gross!)

[@jacegallagher8589]

Story 1: Good attorney. He is telling you correctly. It is his job to look at a situation from ALL angles so you are not blindsided in court. He is being realistic about what could happen and laying it out there for you to make an informed decision. What he said may be harsh but it is the truth and a good attorney pursues the truth. You have a case for a lawsuit, but your opponents WILL dig anything they can so you do not win the case. I want to tell you to fight this case, but sometimes some battles are not worth fighting. Yes you are right. Yes you have a case. But hospitals and the medical profession will throw ANYONE under the bus to protect their reputation. What you can do is get established in your career first THEN pursue a lawsuit.

[@SimplyMad__xx]

If it was *just* her affected, maybe. But on top of the videos circulating being not only spread noncensentually, but also taken nonconsentually, other women's photos/videos were ALSO being circulated nonconsentually. This isn't just a "lawsuit" thing, this is seriously illegal stuff. Honestly it feels like she's being blackmailed into silence, tbh.

[@LetholdusKaspyr]

Story 1, everyone in the spycam ring needs to go to prison. Absolutely gross.

[@skeltonslay8er781]

Story 2: as an Eagle Scout he should know to always be prepared

[@crem-crem4070]

Story 2: it's so ridiculous for people to expect grandparents to monitor social media and scrutinize christmas cards. My grandma only uses her phone for calls and her vision is fading. Grandparents are grandparents, they. are. OLD. Anything beyond telling them directly can easily be the same as not telling them at all. Edit: Grandpa being 85 makes this so much more the case. The man is 85! How many 85 year olds do you know religiously check their social media?

[@ceeshnia]

She sent him cards but realized after this came up that he may have not really paid attention to them.

[@crem-crem4070]

@@ceeshnia those cards included her and her wife with matching rings as the signal. I don’t think the average 85 year old would even be able to see the rings.

[@alwayswondering127]

@@crem-crem4070 Christ I’m in my 20s and I doubt even I’d notice the rings 😂

[@ajb7530]

1st story, OP what this guy did is illegal. OP call the police and take this guy to court. That boyfriend and the other guys involved deserve to be in jail and blacklisted from the industry they work in. If the hospital fires you, then sue the hospital for wrong firing. OP if your lawyer is saying your career is on the line, then fire the lawyer and get a knew lawyer.

[@Whytheads]

Hi Mark, love your videos. Story 3: so I'm also an eagle scout who has been on hot hikes in the mountains. A couple times I ran out of water. I disagree with that last comment because it was routine for us to have 3-5 Liters of water for us to stay hydrated, meaning 3 bottles of water wasn't enough. That being said ESH but barely. He's too egotistical to realize he's not THAT guy. As much as it would've sucked, she should've postponed the hike all together. Honestly a talk needs to be had about compatability. One also needs to be had that if she's the expert, he needs to listen.

[@mericawillis2338]

How does she suck? I’m genuinely asking from your viewpoint

[@tinafogarty404]

Story 2- OP didn’t want to have an uncomfortable conversation, and threw her mother under the bus

[@hannahwishon9958]

Story 2 made me cry. I never told my grandpa I wasn't straight. I'm so glad OP got to.

[@carmenbarrera80]

#3 I really don't get how people keep telling OP that she put the man child life in danger. Why no one use that same mentality and thinks how HE was drinking her extra water and her personal water and put HER life in danger.?!? What his life is more valuable to them ?!? I don't get it.

[@raywhite7179]

This is why it's an ESH. As an avid hiker myself, it's fucking clear that the dude knew nothing about hiking. Any regular or even semi-regular hiker knows about water in the desert. You don't have to have experience in the desert to know this. This is a general hiking issue. Water is hiking 101, even in the forest. Everyone asks about this. People put it in reviews. "plenty of water on this hike!" The moment some supposed hiker comes to me and says "oh, I have so much experience. I never worry about water." is the moment I think "this person is full of shit." She did this to prove a point and this could've gotten him hurt/killed, her hurt/killed, and possibly whomever had to rescue them hurt/killed. She KNEW better and went anyway. That's where the assholery comes in. If your friend is drunk, you're not going to let that friend drive drunk just because he's "always done it" just to prove how ridiculous the notion of drunk driving is and you certainly wouldn't get in the passenger seat to watch it go down.

[@mzgreenjeansapproves]

@@raywhite7179 I disagree with the ESH. The best case scenario would be for OP to cancel the hike because boyfriend was underprepared with no drama and perhaps a sheepish apology from him. That's the ideal. What is close to reality is OP sees his lack of proper hydration and cancels the hike. Boyfriend states he knows what he is doing argues and does the hike ANYWAY to prove a point. OP would still have to go after him and still give him her extra water and he still would try to SNEAK her water and STILL storm off and leave her there. Boyfriend is a grown man what more could have OP done?

[@raywhite7179]

@@mzgreenjeansapproves If she had tried to cancel the hike, she would've said so. There's no gain for her to lie about that. Therefore, she's an asshole. Both behaved badly. Both are assholes. You come prepared and you don't put others in danger. If you do, you're an asshole. That's a simple fact. To be perfectly honest, her story doesn't add up anyway. No one in their right mind (who was a decent hiker) would've allowed this hike to happen and I, personally, have a water bladder. I can't figure how he was trying to sneak water from her. The hose sneaks through your backpack and the nozzle loops through your bands to rest on your chest/by your mouth. That's the point of them. He'd've had to grab it, unwind it, etc. right in front of her without her noticing? I dunno. Sounds fake.

[@mzgreenjeansapproves]

@@raywhite7179 hmmm I am not a hiker so I can't verify what type of hydration equipment is best. As a person who exercises in a controlled environment my perspective is not from an experienced hiker. I come from the perspective of trying to convince a know-it-all that they in fact don't know everything. So it rang true to me emotionally, (also as a city girl who has a water bottle and many readily available sources like the cafe in the gym) but if it doesn't ring true to experienced hikers then it probably isn't.

[@raywhite7179]

@@mzgreenjeansapproves It's just something that makes drinking easier. The bladder sits in your backpack, with a loop up top or a little sticky thing that keeps it in place. There's usually a little hole up top of the backpack where you thread the tub. It goes around your shoulder, usually through a loop on one side and then crosses your chest and through another loop. So there's like three loops it goes through and the nozzle is close to your head so you don't have to stop when hiking. Basically, it's right there by your neck in your front. I can't see a scenario where someone could steal sips without you knowing, unless you had your eyes closed. It's just, water is a big freakin' deal, especially in the desert. No hiker worth their salt would go in with a tiny bit of water and no experienced hiker would accompany another who didn't bring a sufficient amount of water. Water is heavy. You bring enough for yourself, unless there's a water source. If you're hiking with someone who isn't bring enough, you know you're going to have to share with them. These places are isolated and most don't have cell service. People die from hiking each year, especially in the desert. You don't place yourself in danger to prove a point. I'm all for letting someone fall on their face if they want to make fools of themselves, but not in a desert and not where I could potentially get myself hurt (water makes people do crazy things. If he got crazed enough, he could've hurt her for her water.) And she said she knew better.

[@cocobrowny]

Okay, after some digging I found a final update to story 1 (camera story) thanks to a commenter on this thread. I’ll try to paste it here - hopefully it won’t exceed any word limits… “I just want to say thank you to the many people and lawyers who reached out to me in regards to my previous post and I’m sorry for the very late update. I’ve been in therapy and working with lawyers to resolve issues. I was able to get the proof I needed for filing police reports but I decided not to do it. We worked an agreement out where I am financially set up for a long time from the group of men as a whole. My medical school is paid for, I’m being given a very nice living stipend monthly, and a few other things my lawyer was able to push for that will help me a lot in the future. Including a new job placement.This is all being done privately. I know this may disappoint many of you because you wanted me to raise hell and fight for women but mentally I couldn’t handle pressing charges or having the things shown that I know are recorded. There are things in our agreement to protect me and my privacy and if any video is seen again then it voids everything in the agreement and then I’ll press charges and go to the police. All of their wives and partners know now. None of them wanted to go forward which really swayed how I went about it. I wasn’t only going to fighting against them but their spouses and I didn’t want to ruin their children’s lives by their moms and dads videos and business possibly being outed to the world in a nasty courtroom. They shouldn’t be punished for their dads decisions. That’s really it for the update. I am okay with what has been done and I can go forward with my career goals without worry of a reputation that wrongly would have been there. TL;DR I’m not pressing charges but I didn’t deal with the matter in a private way that benefited me as much as it could. ETA: I just want to add. I know some of you think I’m selfish and a horrible person for what you believe is not protecting future women. But that’s not my fault. Apart of the agreement was hefty quarterly donations to multiple womens protection programs including DV shelters and other programs of my choosing. I can’t protect future women from being violated. Significant jail time for these people wasn’t even in the question. They’re still being punished. Way more than they would have if I had pressed charges. Over a million dollars a year being shelled out by the group. Before you comment, think of some of your previous comments about how I would be ridiculed in court, and then think about what you say about what I believe was justice for myself. I am receiving justice in the way I can handle it without completely destroying the state of my mental health. If you want to ridicule that so be it. But the justice system wouldn’t have done it any better. I’m not going to burn myself and my future”

[@ryandylan6946]

Thanks for the Update! Reads like scince fiction book from a woman activist group to push their agenda and blame all man as evil. I thought the story was normal fiction, now i am sure they have an agenda and wanna send a message. As a man i am 100% sure story 1 is manhating fiction. A bunch of "Coworkers" sharing pron vids of "wifes, gf , and fiancees? Normal man never ever show her nude wife to another man, that makes us instant jealous and the blood starts to boil. I even hate it when some dude looks to lo long on her bikini. There is no brocode to do that, not even members of the mafia would do that! No way S1 is real and that the other woman are all ok with that. 100 % Never. And then a lawyer instead of pressing charges at the Police, come on. Police would have confiscated all devices and all the idiodts were in serious trouble and the wifes had and easy divorce and a safe job. If she goes to the police there is no danger. She can't lose her job without repercussions to her job because that's called retaliation and judges rip those cases a new one on the bosses who fire people like that. And as a bonus police would delete all vids and took the man in prison.

[@nightstarstar1]

Thank you for posting this update. I really can’t say I blame her. Losing her ability to pursue her career that she worked so hard for and being doubly victimized in court and in the court of public opinion is not something everyone can handle. People (including women) can be extremely vicious towards victims.

[@davidwilliams4239]

Good lord OP (story 1) get a different lawyer. It does not sound like he has your interest in mind. He seems like he's looking out for the hospital and those involved, instead of you.

[@kathryncampbell9564]

Story 3 is reminding me of the Thomas & Friends episode Gordon and Spencer from the seventh season. Basically Gordon warned Spencer that he would need more water to get over Gordon's Hill, but he didn't listen and ran out of water. Gordon had to rescue him in the end. This is also reminding me of the Thomas & Friends episode Laid Back Shane from the twenty third season when Shane ran out of coal in the Red Center of Australia. He was was rescued by Thomas, Aubrey and Aiden in the end.

[@utha5034]

Story 1: get a lawyer. ASAP. Pretend to be nice to him. Get them all fired. Sue them all for damages. That is horrific. I’d tell his friends and family what he’s done. I’d go nuclear on them.

[@utha5034]

He probably has you tagged with a gps or something.

[@nohevelisskibinsky6518]

Op needs to report even if she loses friends/work ect...

[@cynicalminion]

story 1: YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THEY DO... USE IT!! story 2: i remember when my then-bf let me drive his car to my great-grandmother's funeral... my mother has since told me that at one point grandpa told her "i'm glad he found someone"... they may be old, but that doesn't mean they're not cool...

[@sunflowerglo5492]

Story1 : I wish she had some support. She needs to go scorched Earth. Sue the ex, colleagues and Hospital, for a number of things.

[@benry007]

Story 1: Makes me so angry. Sounds like most of the staff at that hospital need to go to prison. I hope this all comes crashing down on them one day. What a bunch of perverts.

[@b.f.2461]

I have to assume the lawyer is in a group of the same nature.

[@shegeek5559]

I'm now totally creeped out. One of the ads was for security cameras...eep. OP NEEDS to bail on this. She's been violated, full stop. She also needs to somehow get in front of this.

[@ProdigyAngel33_Nagichan]

1st story is so awful and triggered me in ways I didn't expect. This is exactly why many woman do not report crimes of a sexual nature. "Be ok with ppl losing respect for you?!" Wtf kinda statement is that?! OP was not a willing participant and this was done without their knowledge. Even if it was...still wtf! This creates a horrible precident. I want to know if they did report but the story is too much for me...I hope OP is doing better. Absolutely disgusting behaviour from the ex :(

[@madisonl3401]

Happy Friday Mark and Poppy! Give our favourite nugget a hug and boop!

[@paden1865able]

Sue the bastard, is the advice my mother's lawyer would have given. Go to HR, go to his superiors, go to the cops, and go to the press. Also, she spelled ex-boyfriend wrong. Don't be embarrassed by what he did to you, you did nothing wrong.

[@june7343]

The first one makes me so scared I literally have chills

[@jgw5491]

Story 1: I think she needs a second opinion from another lawyer.

[@taetannim3581]

Uh- that lawyer sounded like a liar. That "material" is currently *being* seen by a LOT of people!

[@Neolithika]

That first story is so scary and sad.

[@civivva4501]

Story 1:It is disgusting that everything is on OP's shoulders.

[@Unknown_101_]

I went digging on story one. And apparently she did in the comments state that she did tell some of the girls and a lot of them are getting divorces and families are being broken up. And she moved her boyfriends house and he stalked her to a new house and this is like the third or second house so she’s in. And she got a restraining order against him. To my understanding is she did find new lawyer too.

[@Sorchia56]

That grandfather is EPIC! My Da is having the hardest time with knowing our oldest daughter is getting married to a woman. I did have a chat with him though that he needed to be supportive and love unconditionally. He himself said he’d not seen her so happy and healthy looking in ages so he should just accept it and love them. He’s very religious so I turned that on as well, letting him know he wasn’t being a good Christian at all. That was the “gotcha” moment for him. He doesn’t have to like it but he will keep that to himself! Congratulations OP, all the best.

[@tinytaz6668]

Omfg that first story, and what the lawyer said, horrifying!! The only answer other than moving is too walk in with my head held high, and have them scared there’s someone who knows all their dirty secrets there every day. But then they’ll probably just try and get her fired, urgh!!! 🤬

[@louellacharlton4425]

Tyvm Mark. Stay safe please. PEACE

[@TriCountyMotorsEastman]

On story 1 I would out all the people involved in the text exchanges and sue them. If the hospital or others caused retribution I'd sue them

[@ArtemisOtago]

Story 3: as soon as I heard “I’m an Eagle Scout” my thought was are you really? In scouts and guides you’re taught to “be prepared” (which is the guides moto). He clearly was not prepared and he was not in danger of dying or being hurt by lack of water. Seems he’s just a big ol’ baby and doesn’t like things being pointed out to him.