I Go to My Fathers - The Heroic Masculinity of King Theoden

[@master_samwise]

This video was made possible by my undying love for medieval fantasy. If it gets 7,500 likes, I’ll stream myself playing Dark Souls and doing 10 pull-ups every time I die. 15,000 and I’ll do the whole DS trilogy. 25,000 and I’ll throw in Demon Souls and Bloodborne. I’ve already beaten Sekiro and Elden Ring, sorry. Honestly I’m probably gonna do that DS stream eventually anyway. Sounds like a fun way to entertain myself during the harsh Siberian winter.

[@ThePseud0Legend]

I may be mistaken but I think I heard you near tears in this video, and hearing such brought me to it as well. Thank you MSW for your amazing content and work…. Edit: I made the previous statement before I heard you say you need to pull yourself together, and that told me that you certainly did weep. I did too. ❤️❤️

[@DBz213]

If you love medieval fantasy, I hope you’ve read The Ballad of the Whitehorse by G. K. Chesterton. If you love Theoden, I’m sure you’d enjoy St. Alfred the Great.

[@Plainjane1398]

Thank you for this video. We always said that theoden reminded us of our dad. I really would like him to watch this. As not only does my dad look a lot like theode. In the movie. But also deals with despair. And i think this is an excellent example for him.

[@master_samwise]

@@DBz213 I have not, but I shall put that on my list to read!

[@DBz213]

@@master_samwise it’s a lengthy poem but a quick read compared to novels, I wouldn’t consider it on the level of LotR, but few works are in my opinion. Chesterton’s account may be considered fictional, but it’s a great work remembering the king who saved Christian England.

[@machomandalf2893]

“I go now to my fathers. In whose mighty company, I shall now not feel ashamed.”

[@sunilsolanki]

Tears. Every damn time. Of pride. For Theoden. For how he has grown. Of shame and fear that I, myself, will not be able to reach these great heights one day... Just brilliant.

[@SpaceCowboy92]

I only hope that someday I can say the same

[@teeheeteeheeish]

@@SpaceCowboy92 we should strive for that honor.

[@ecargfosreya]

Possibly by favorite line of the whole series

[@elizabethanne8729]

Don’t make me cry

[@makatsa1247]

video essays about LOTR are dangerous because i am now legally obligated to rewatch the trilogy

[@douglasparkinson4123]

the trick is to watch the extended trilogy one weekend then spend all of monday's free time cramming in the video essays about it while you do chores

[@krioni86sa]

@@douglasparkinson4123 exactly

[@jamedmurphy4468]

Also apparently Far Right Wing according to British Security Agencies

[@cyberdan42]

RIP Bernard Hill, you now travel proudly to the Halls of your Forefathers. You need not be ashamed.

[@ryanmcwilliams8784]

So sad dude

[@gohawks3571]

👑✊🍻

[@jrr2480]

Rust well, our beloved king 👑 😭

[@TrainingFanatic]

The rest of us shall ride onward. ...'ere the sun rises.

[@robwalsh9843]

"No parent should have to bury their child..." That broke everyone in the audience.

[@ArachD206]

Even me, childless and cynical. That, Boromir's and Theoden's own deaths still make me absolutely bawling.

[@nathanialblock8480]

And after watching may grandparents have to bury my uncle that line hit different

[@bighand1530]

@@nathanialblock8480 I’m sorry to hear this.

[@robmaddison8645]

@@ArachD206 I find Boromir's death a little sappy and unrealistic. As if time stands still to allow Merry and Pippin to ham up the reaction.

[@Nick-rs5if]

@@nathanialblock8480 That is awful, I am so sorry. 😟

[@mrswb]

Book Theoden is who we strive to be. Movie Theoden is an example of how to reach who we should be.

[@shawnthompson2303]

*This is the Way.*

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Where now are the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?

[@guardiandaytona8454]

Fun fact, the horn of helm hammerhand wasn't just a normal horn, but also a gift as well as a weapon. Built by the dwarves as a gift for the old king of Rohan, when sounded it would strike fear into the hearts of those attacking the fort. On top of whatever magical effects it would cause, the raw intensity and volume of the sound was debilitating. When blown, its sound would echo off the cliffs and valley it was built into and bombard assailants for as long as someone was blowing the horn. Truely a legendary piece of dwarven engineering.

[@master_samwise]

Dammit I love Tolkien's lore.

[@RadeFoxxy]

And it was blown by a dwarf in that final battle....like poetry

[@Andrew-h4l]

Love this. Thanks

[@roundlake96]

Thats just beond epic!

[@riseofazrael]

I always wondered why Gimli got so hyped for that!! Thanks for sharing.

[@dominicdevore2570]

“The Beacons are lit! Gondor calls for aid.” “And Rohan will answer” That dialogue hit hard for me

[@theknightikins9397]

What also makes that hit hard is his hesitation before answering. He almost did not go to Gondor. You see him go through his fears, doubts, until finally reaching his duty. He knows what is right and in that moment has to overcome his own fears to do it. It is perfection.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

and the Rohan music starts playing...chills

[@georgethomas4567]

Theoden is one of the best characters ever made. And even if it's an unpopular opinion I think the films actually did him better. I loved watching him reach where he's at in the book before the end. Still gives me chills screaming "Death!" As both a war cry and acceptance of his fate.

[@master_samwise]

I completely understand that opinion. Movie Theoden has a wonderful arc, while book Theoden is just an inherently nobler character. Both are just wonderful, which made this video that much easier to make.

[@BioHunter1990]

Absolutely. And in both forms; there, is a man that good men could follow. He knows what is right, any mortal fear set aside. The world breaks or endures. There is no other path.

[@Luke_wait_for_it_marengo]

I completely agree.

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

And I never saw him as a weak or quibbling leader in the movie. I thought he was quite noble and strong from the minute he was exorcised. He certainly was struggling with despair, but that did more to make the situation seem all the more dire to the viewer than to besmirch his character. If he was just sort of brave in an almost nonchalant manner, it’d be hard to think the war with Isengard was truly that menacing.

[@Luke_wait_for_it_marengo]

@jefffinkbonner9551 excellent take. :)

[@ChristianKennethAlger]

I came here today to pay my respects to the man who portrayed the king of Rohan May he rest in peace. May he go to this fathers, his head held up high.

[@D4veJap4n]

Sir you just made me cry.

[@luxintenebris1776]

"My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed." Let us raise a glass and drink together my friends, in honor and in respect for Bernard's passing. Hail the victorious dead!

[@Snipergod1024]

HAIL THE VICTORIOUS DEAD!

[@malcolmthorne9779]

Hail the victorious dead!

[@LeoA05]

Hail the victorious dead!

[@RedJLP]

Hail the victorious dead!

[@TheMightyCrucibleKnight184]

HAIL THE VICTORIOUS DEAD!!! 🍻

[@kirkistief]

I cannot ever get through Theoden's charge on Pelennor without crying. That speech...I would have followed Theoden into battle. That scene from the movie is so emotional. Even the scene in the book hits hard.

[@brainrich1358]

Same! That scene always make me tear up. Definitely would follow Theoden into battle

[@acewing1]

I legit was listening to it before heading off for my assignment for work for a while. If that doesn't get someone moving, idk what will

[@robbaxter1497]

A bit of KZbin searching turns up a version of that speech spoken by the writer. I'd suggest looking it up, he does a good job

[@kanebravo953]

Iirc, Bernard Hill was so into the part, that when he roared and charged, the other riders actually did follow him as if it was a real battle. RIP Bernard Hill, you go to your father's now not ashamed.

[@mileau7578]

"I don't think anyone spoke Tolkien's words as great as Bernard did." ~Billy Boyd, Pippin December 17, 1944 - May 5, 2024. Rest in peace, Bernard Hill. A phenomenal actor, a monolithic performance. Thank you for all the legendary moments and memories. May you enter those gilded halls with your head held high, and may the memories you gave us inspire us toward the same heights. Hail, Théoden King! Hail the victorious dead!

[@TheBitingBat]

I always said the Aragorn was the perfect example of a one true king, the pinnacle of what a good man and ruler should be. But Théodenking showed what a normal man can truly be. He weeps for his son, his despair palpable in the face of such darkness. But he rises up all the same, knowing the weight of the lives at stake and that it is up to him to fight. Not because he can win, but because it is right. "Now I go to the halls of my ancestors, in who's mighty presence I will no longer feel ashamed"

[@LethalOwl]

Rest in piece, Bernard Hill. The King of Rohan has passed. Long live the King. "Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, And the bright hair flowing?"

[@stfuinc.202]

I got choked up hearing Theodens last words. So beautiful and sad!

[@master_samwise]

I clearly did too.

[@shawnthompson2303]

*Eowyn.* 🐴👑

[@ryanarment5393]

I did too. My family has a long history of service and honor. I feel the weight of it, as i get closer to my death. I was injured in service badly enough to force me to retire. I find myself asking if i am worthy to be in their company when i die.

[@EvidensInsania]

There are lines from the books and movies that I always tear up at these days. When I was a child watching and reading them for the first time I had no such reaction. But now that I'm older and a fair bit wiser from having experienced more of life I'm able to connect with these characters on a much deeper level and better understand their thoughts and emotions.

[@gurgamous]

Death of course has it's sting. But I find his words to ultimately be triumphant. No other accomplishment in life would make up for the sense of belonging he knew he'd feel when he arrived at the company of his progenitors. His sense and role of King wasnt felt most poignantly when he sat on his throne, or wore his crown, or even when he had an army of riders at his disposal. He felt it most thoroughly and completely as he lay dying on the battlefield knowing He had led by courageous example

[@seamuspautz7532]

I broke down in tears at least five times during this video. As I’ve gotten older, my favorite character in Lord of the Rings has shifted based on my age and what was happening in my life. This video right here has solidified the fact that now in my mid thirties, Theoden is my current favorite. His overcoming of his own flaws, his depression, and his feelings of inadequacy to become a leader who is both strong AND kind is EXACTLY the type of person I want to be at this point in my life. Thank you for this gift of a video.

[@master_samwise]

I'm a little younger than you, but I absolutely agree that Théoden's struggles are so much more applicable to my life now than they were before. One of the beautiful things about making these videos is that I discover so much about the character, and often some things about myself, while rewatching and rereading these stories.

[@factbeaglesarebest]

Exactly! It was such an impactful and relatable (albeit I’m by no means old nor was I when I first read the books) thing to experience via the story. Old, aging (of a warrior/duty obsessed culture much of which was based on Saxons plus cavalry). In the books you find him stuck mentally. Grima has deceived and twisted a web of lies to force Theoden to feel the best thing to do is shut down in his keep. He’s old, lost his son, he is grieving, vulnerable, and yet when his eyes are opened he rises to become that best version of himself.

[@EvidensInsania]

Exactly the same as me. As a kid the books and movies never made me tear up like they do now and Legolas was my favourite character because he was a badass archer. Now I'm about the same age as you and a fair bit wiser than my younger self, my favourites are Theoden and Samwise.

[@jamesmcdonald1108]

Kids love legolas, those growing and realizing their imperfections love the brothers of borormir and faramir, and those beyond that look to samwise and theoden in my experience.

[@aletheuo475]

I've got to say, despite being a young man, Galadriel has always been an inspiration to me. Her hard earned wisdom and sheer force of will, cultivating life and virtue in the face of darkness is beautiful. I also share Tolkien's own delight in creations like Tom Bombadil, Treebeard and Faramir, who just so beautifully embody those simpler, more innocent virtues that the Professor really valued, such as the appreciation of nature and the love of learning. As a young and rather naive fellow, I like to hope that I can hang onto those joys even when life becomes harder.

[@ntmfalloutproductions4713]

"As he died to make man holy, let us die to make man free." Goosebumbs man

[@Materialist39]

My favorite line from the original rendition of the song, but I can’t help but adore every unique version for the universal righteous justice they stand for: Glory hallelujah (Battle Hymn of the Republic), John Brown’s Body, Solidarity Forever, and Blood Upon the Risers

[@ntmfalloutproductions4713]

@@Materialist39 yeah I know what you mean

[@rightwing707]

"What can men do against such reckless hate?" A line that will forever live on in my heart. Middle Earth may have lost a king, but his legacy will survive until the end of time itself. Rest in peace Bernard.

[@pippinisawesome52]

Théoden has become such an inspiration for me. His sickness and renewal remind me of my own fight with mental illness and how it is to rise up with the help of your loved ones and push on despite overwhelming odds and despair. Ednew, an epithet well-deserved. Westu Théoden hál.

[@master_samwise]

Westu Théoden hál!

[@Disgruntled_Grunt]

I have the exact same feeling about Théoden and Gandalf. I've been dealing with severe depression (brought on by childhood trauma) pretty much my entire life. I was lucky enough to meet a really great therapist in my mid 20's, who did essentially the same thing for me as Gandalf did for Théoden. She pointed toward the "light" and asked me to allow myself to be happy, to be whole again. She rebuilt a broken man, and a large part of how she did it was repeatedly stating and insisting that it not only _can_ be done, but that it's worth doing. Turns out, I needed to be convinced that it was worth doing. I know I'm one of many people who have experienced something like this, and I think Tolkien's subtlety in weaving stuff like this into even his side-characters is a large part of why his books have such depth. TLotR isn't primarily about health or trauma or recovery, but that theme is always there just under the surface. You can sense themes like this even if you aren't consciously aware of them.

[@pippinisawesome52]

@@Disgruntled_Grunt I’ve got PTSD and Bipolar 2, so I understand, my dude. Depression is awful. My therapist was one of the things that helped me breathe the free air again! That and my faith, family, friends, and 21 very special horses. I’m so glad it was just as powerful for you as it was for me!

[@michaelstamper5604]

Minas Tirith is my mental go to when my depression hits hard. In the sense of a multitude of orcs oppressing me, the Rohirrim are those who ride to my rescue, whether friends or loved ones. And I stand, like Theoden, muttering "Is this it? Is this the best you can muster?" He encourages me to fight back and keep fighting.

[@based8223]

​@@Disgruntled_Gruntyou need to just cut out all the soy milk and be a man

[@teejaykaye]

Theoden is one of those characters who, as soon as he's been freed of the despair he's sunken into, you just feel safe whenever he's on screen. LOTR has a bunch of characters like this - Gandalf, Aragorn, Sam - but Theoden is among the most grounded, and starting him in such a desolate place makes it feel all the more earned as he regains his stature as a true king, and more heartbreaking when he dies in pursuit of delivering his people to a better place and ridding the world of Sauron's evil.

[@christopherjohnson2171]

His character arc just makes sense too. No matter how strong or noble you are, imagine waking up from essentially a semi-lucid coma to find your son and heir dead and your people suffering due to your inaction----you're going to end up in a low state. I love watching him come back around before the end, with Rohan left in as good a state as can be expected with their King dying a hero's death and Eomer set to rule next.

[@vanyadolly]

"No more despair."

[@kenle2]

"We cannot defeat the armies of Mordor." "No. We cannot." "But we will meet them in battle, nonetheless." Death is lighter than a feather; Duty is heavier than a mountain.

[@BlowItUpYourFarkHole]

Tai'shar Rohan

[@JohnnyJay81]

Lan, is that you??

[@scottyoung7051]

​@@JohnnyJay81Tai'shar Rohan!

[@flippedturtle4739]

Tai’shar Rohan. Tai’shar Theoden, King.@@scottyoung7051

[@Tigenraam]

True blood of Rohan

[@pauloaugustolazzarotto5569]

This is why I love LOTR so much, the virtues Tolkien wanted to share with us, the hope he wanted us to feel through the characters he created and their deeds of great sacrifice and love. This is why stories like these are so important for so much people, these stories want us to be better

[@master_samwise]

They truly are the stories that really matter.

[@mrfake675]

I prefer woke virtue signaling

[@moistmike4150]

@@mrfake675 Praying for you mrfake.

[@mrfake675]

@@moistmike4150 I was joking. I refuse to watch the woke version. The lord of the rings trilogy was my favorite movie experience as a teenager/young adult. We were blessed compared to the shit made these days. Quality over quota

[@bighand1530]

@@mrfake675 Are you looking forward to the animated movie that is coming out later in December this year?

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

“I go to my fathers.” I’m someone who’s researched my bloodline going back millennia. When I die I’d love to meet all my long dead family that I’ve read so much about.

[@GrandpaGreenwood]

I can’t hear the words of Theoden at the Pellenor fields and not cry. His development (in the movie) is incredible: from fleeing death to Helm’s Deep, to a Pagan-ish idolization of the glory of death, to finally riding out against evil with “Death!” on his lips, not for glory but for love of his fellow man. There is a man who knows why he fights, and here is a man who is crying right there with you brother. Happy Advent!

[@master_samwise]

A very blessed Advent to you as well!

[@28starwarsfan]

I was a teen when the movies came out. I had never read the books and had no context. Theoden aggravated me in the Two Towers. By his end in ROTK I was sobbing. The journey was so impactful.

[@mktf5582]

Theoden is defo one of the greatest characters,Bernard Hill was phenomenal as him.

[@christopherwolford3483]

Man, as you were reciting the professor's depiction of the battle of the pelenor fields; I was almost sobbing. The virtue shown in an aged king who almost entirely succumbed to his fear and melancholy reminds me of the hope that we have in Christ in fighting the decay and dark powers of this age. Merry Christmas, and God bless you.

[@moistmike4150]

Yes! Although Tolkien himself has stated that he eschewed Christian allegory in his fiction writings, the Christian ethos is woven deeply into his characters and storyline. Your analog to Christ's story arc is something that Tolkien repeats many times in his masterwork. God bless you brother!

[@chase5298]

lmao

[@FredyTirannion]

I can hear how you are moved when reading how Théoden led the charge. Because I almost cried as well. Such a powerful and moving scene!

[@amadmucid5498]

Out of doubt, out of dark, to the day's rising he rode singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. Hope he rekindled, and in hope he ended; over death, over dread, over doom lifted out of loss, out of life, unto long glory. Hail the Victorious dead

[@cyruspowers7355]

"In whos mighty company I shall not now be ahamed."

[@melonskall]

I am going through some stuff now with my mom getting pancreatic cancer, stress at work and my own depression. I was in tears the entire video, it gave me so much strength and hope. I cant thank you enough dude. May we meet in the timeless halls as brothers.

[@master_samwise]

God bless brother!

[@bighand1530]

How are you and your mother doing now?

[@melonskall]

@@bighand1530 First of all I am deeply thankful that you asked, it matters a lot. She was extremely sick a few months ago and spent weeks in intensive care due to a failed operation which gave her än infection in the guy and sadly couldnt get any chemo. Bizarrely though at the next CT scan the tumour wasnt visible anymore. Now she is doing some pretty mild chemo and she is doing great. We went to Spain a month ago. Now we just hope she can live as long as possible and that it will take a long time to spread.

[@bighand1530]

@@melonskall No problem. Sounds like a lot has happened. I do wish for both you and your mother the best.

[@nuckelaveez5029]

Theoden is such an underated character

[@Grimzilla32]

He goes to the Halls of his Fathers, who even in their mighty company he shall now not know shame RIP Bernard Hill

[@bighand1530]

He will be missed

[@ScairCroBoat]

Those who like RoP = Theoden under Grima’s spell. Those who love true Tolkienian work = Theoden tall and strong. You dropped this, king. 👑

[@EvidensInsania]

RoP fans I've encountered have all been spiteful little goblins.

[@huntclanhunt9697]

​@@EvidensInsaniaOr never read the books.

[@yanasto]

Dude I am 8 months pregnant and I just cried the whole way through this video. Amazing analysis, thank you for helping me understand Theoden so much better.

[@AJTalon]

I hope you and your child are doing well now.

[@frenchsterr]

@@AJTalonme too! Congratulations 🎉🎉

[@phoenixxsoul]

R.I.P Bernard Hill, a legend who gave a life to this character in this world class movie franchise. ❤ King Theoden. All hail to his glorious death!

[@Quekksilber]

48:24 I absolutely loved Faramir when I first got to know him in the books. I had watched the movies first and so was very surprised to see his wisdom, justice and prudence, his patience and greatness of heart, his gentleness and love for Eowyn. I would follow and trust such a man as my leader. I find him so inspiring, because amidst all those valiant heros like Aragorn and Gandlaf and the Elves, he seems to be approachable. He is inspiring in a different sense than them, because you or I could actually be Faramir, our virtue could look like his, he is the example of a man that is heroic in his place. This is what I love about him so much-that he knows his place and strives for perfection in it. As a young man, this is where most of my own questions and everyday struggles lie. Where is my place? What will I live for? For which people will I pour out my heart and strength, my life? And how do I live with the unclarity of the present moment, how do I prepare patiently and face the trials that lie on the way to it?

[@aszechy]

As a girl, I was absolutely in love with book Faramir and couldn't wait when they got to the point in the film where he figures out that Frodo has the ring and he has his finest moment ("I wouldn't take this thing if it lay by the wayside"). But instead we got "the ring goes to Gondor" - I wanted to leap from my seat in the cinema and shout THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID! I loved the film and was fine with most of the changes they made from the book but this is of the few things they got wrong. (But Jackson nearly made up for the mistake with that perfection of a scene when Pippin sings for Denethor while Faramir leads the doomed sortie from Minas Tirith. :)

[@eadric3338]

@@aszechy The changes to Faramir were my least favorite as well, and really impeded my enjoyment of the film on first viewing. Jackson really did him dirty. Years later, and having viewed the movies several times since, I can look past my Tolkien fandom and acknowledge that the story Jackson told also had great value, even if it did vary significantly from the source material (and butcher a few beloved characters and events).

[@moistmike4150]

@@aszechy I feel ya azechy! I was also quite put off by Jackson's use of creative-license with Faramir's Choice. I understand that books must be "edited" in certain ways to make translate them better for cinematic presentation, but I really can't fathom the logic behind what they did with Faramir in this scene. IMHO, it greatly diminishes his inherent nobility.

[@aletheuo475]

I hadn't thought of that. (Book) Faramir is a very rare example of a true paragon of virtue, far beyond the average man, yet still manages to be relatable. I suppose it's because Tolkien intended for him to be the idealised modern man, rather than a hero of a mythology. While it is almost impossible to be a great warrior like Boromir in the age of guns and long-distance missiles, it is possible, like Faramir, to cherish peace and learning, to prefer growing things to steel. And as a nerd, I would certainly prefer to be a scholar than a warrior. Boromir fights for glory as well as the safety of his people, while Faramir fights only for the latter reason.

[@J.Severin]

As an 89er, I read the books befor the movies came out. I grew up with the films, just old enough to see them in cinema. Since then, my best friend and I have taken advantage of every opportunity to see the films in cinema again. It moves me to tears every time, like it to you. listend closely we can hear it in your video. with best regards.

[@AvshokExplor]

Hail the Victorious Dead, rest in peace Bernard Hill, Theoden King

[@conservativelibertarianjou7106]

Theoden was always one of my favorite characters. He had his faults but in the end demonstrated that he was a good king who deeply cared for his people. He died a hero and with much honor. I feel like he was an even an inspiration for Aragorn before he officially took the throne of Gondor.

[@J03J3rk0ff]

“I go to my fathers… in whose mighty company I shall not now feel ashamed.” RIP TO A LEGEND

[@Doomthinkingman]

Bro, I'm at work, doing OT and I'm sitting here doing my absolute damnedest to hold back tears! This character's journey felt like it has mirrored my own over the past year. All the lessons he learned are ones I've ever had to and even with all the setbacks, I reminded myself of one thing everyday, you do what needs to be done. That's how men are made but once having mastered that I still had to do more. Becoming a King is protecting your people, it is being prudent, it is being honest with oneself and others but mostly it is being humble and never thinking yourself too big or too good to lend a hand or an ear to help your people and at times ones who are not your people. As Uncle Iroh once said "sometimes the only way to help yourself is to help others". Because the journey to this point in my life is not over and there is much work to be done it can sometimes be easy to think that maybe I'm the only screw up and that I'm all alone in these feelings but your vids remind me that I'm on the right path, the path of great men who've once walked this path too and I thank you so much for them.

[@master_samwise]

I broke down several times reading Theoden's death scene. The professor had an unbelievable way with words.

[@Dnasaur1]

Good luck doing Old Trafford!

[@Quekksilber]

Great men are those who didn't despise walking the small steps, and sometimes even the smallest one. Thank you for sharing your insights, they were inspiring to me to continue the journey.

[@EasrterRising1fan]

I appreciate your comment on smiling. I was told to smile this summer by an acquaintance, I can understand the importance that a smile can do, however at the time I couldn't smile. My heart was in a million pieces, I was suppose to be married but my Fiancé ended the engagement. To be told to smile even if it was well meant felt as if the person telling me to smile was telling me that my pain was nothing more than a papercut.

[@master_samwise]

First, I'm sorry that happened and I hope you're doing better now! Second, I think your comment makes a great point that there's a distinct difference between being told "smile now" as in "you should be happy. Why aren't you happy?" and being told "I would have you smile again", that is to say "I hope for you great joy and peace."

[@Spoonishpls]

@@master_samwise I too appreciate your comment. I see a lot of dudes justify statements like that as something women should appreciate, but you correctly showed the difference between "traditional masculinity" and "Godly/True/Authentic masculinity"

[@1simo93521]

As terrible as it is he broke his promise, it is more terrible to be married to one who doesn't love you.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

The Slavs have the best views on smiling IMO. If they are genuinely happy about something they will smile but to just smile for no reason is a sign of stupidity or mental illness and avoided.

[@Plasticcaz]

I've not read the books (yet), but in-movie Theoden is one of my favourite characters in the trilogy. He and Boromir are up there precisely because they're flawed, and acknowledging and overcoming your flaws is inspiring. "I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company I shall not now feel ashamed."

[@MyDailyDeepThoughts]

I recently started watching your videos and can say you are one of the best voices for masculinity on the platform. For Rohan!!!!!

[@master_samwise]

Thank you! For Rohan!!!

[@MyDailyDeepThoughts]

@@master_samwise For Rohan!!

[@TehHuGZ]

For me it's the look and silence preceding "And Rohan will answer" that made me realise how good of an actor is Bernard Hill.

[@siriusblackleach3489]

I love how Theoden's lesson of choosing to hope when all seems bleak is echoed in the other members of his household. In the movie, Eomer is the static character that has already achieved virtue, continuing to fight even as he is banished for it, and riding with Gandalf to the rescue at helms deep as soon as Theoden chooses to fight. (yes i know it is different in the books, but him returning to Edoras to be imprisoned is largely the same type of choice.) Eowen is on a parallel journey, struggling not only with the fracturing of her family and people, but the pressures and restrictions of her gender. One of her major flaws is a similar sort of pride to Theoden (perhaps inherited/learned from him). She desires glory, and thinks she must fight to get it. Yes she does do great deads in battle later in the story, but her arc ends after her part in the fight is done, when she must face the price of glory and learn how to live after the great deeds are done. Her hope ultimately must not be in the fight itself, but in the reasons to fight. Life and love. (Which incidentally is why her pairing with Faramir is perfect.)

[@moistmike4150]

Your brief summary of Eowyn's character arc is perfect! I've always been fascinated by her. Had Aragorn not been fated to wed Arwen and refresh the races of Elves and Men, then Shield-maiden Eowyn would have been an ideal bride. Tolkien's weaving of characters and story is truly beyond masterful.

[@michaelchristensen34]

"Heroic Masculinity" is such a beautiful character description of Theoden. From being lost in the darkness and downtrodden, to prideful, to humility and hopeful, to virtuous and courageous, ending in sacrifice. Learning to hope, such beauty; you had me at the edge of my seat the entire video!

[@UnstopablePatrik]

The older I get, the more I love Théoden.

[@chrisburgett165]

I weep not because of failure. I weep of the lack of failures. I weep at the attack on young men. I wish that men weren't stripped of purpose and told not to look up to strong men. That we should stay in the shadows and let others lead who have not our interests in mind. I hope one day we have the strength and courage to be like Theoden and his riders.

[@nalublackwater9729]

"Heavy is the head that wears the crown" Theoden is the best example of why this Shakespeare quote is so true.

[@markbrowne181]

Beautifully narrated. I hope a lot of men watch this.

[@sjins1poolboy698]

every reread of LOTR just endears me to the story of Théoden more and more. Truly one of the greatest men in fiction, I always feel such a desire to be in Merry's position and recognise the nobility of this humble king and be able to offer his service to him out of love for this man.

[@nsmt48]

43:22 - 43:44 Oh wow, the way you present the orc genocide with such passion is something else...

[@marissabulso6439]

I greatly appreciate how you bounce from book to movie and back again, pulling all that is good from both. We can so often get caught up in arguing which is better (I know I can). Your analysis is just beautiful. And I am here again to contemplate Theoden on this day, the day Bernard Hill has gone to his own forefathers. ❤

[@henryplantagenet219]

Thank you Master Samwise for your inspiration! Being in my early fifty’s, faced with current job loss and heavy illness of body and mind; your video, your voice, or shall I say the music of your voice whilst you are reading Tolkien makes me cry and still rise up from my bed, dress up and go to my family. Thank you. Thank you.

[@saddlerrye6725]

I'm currently re-reading LotR, and it just so happened that I've re-watched the film not long ago. And it hit me again how masterfully Peter Jackson took Tolkien's story apart to put the pieces back together, arranged in a different way but still painting mostly the same picture. This video also reminded me of that, and how much the movies managed to include from the books, if not with explicit dialogue then music and visual storytelling.

[@00Towers]

the charge of the rohirrim has had my imagination by the balls since i'm 15 and every time i read or hear that part of the books i get tears in my eyes; Theoden is my favorite character in the books and feels amazing that someone took the time to make a proper video about him. Thank You very much sir.

[@RockMalcon02]

The everlasting legacy of these stories are all about the people that composed it. Yes, there's the threat to Middle Earth. Yes, Sauron is an existential threat to the race of Men. But it's really the people who fight against the darkness. They are the one that manage to inspire us to be better people. Wonderful video. Makes feel hopeful for myself and mankind as a whole among a sea of pessimism.

[@master_samwise]

And those people who fought against the darkness did not believe they would win. They thought defeat was all but assured, but they fought anyway, because it was all they could do.

[@belliott538]

I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve Read the Books and listened to the Audio Books. And yet there are still passages that make my heart swell and get me misty. Rohan’s onset at Minas Tirith is definitely one. Though I love Jackson’s films, they can’t stack up to the Books.

[@master_samwise]

Which audio books? I was first introduced to LotR through the ones narrated by Rob Inglis, and own those now and love them to this day.

[@OutlawedSpank]

This video hits different today

[@vandywn4352]

Anyone else hit like before starting the video because they know it'll be a banger?

[@shadowlessxpan]

"Hail the victorious dead!" RIP Bernard Hill, our Theoden King.

[@finweain]

It always feels like Christmas when Samwise drops a new video! Theoden has been a character that has really grown in me over the years, now he’s one of my absolute favorite LotR characters. His growth and resolve never cease to inspire!

[@devildante9]

I like how it's literally IMPOSSIBLE to read the Ride of the Rohirrim without at least tearing up (indeed, even Cory Olsen had to divide that part into 2 in his lessons, but he still cried)

[@yvesabdurahman5045]

Man, I have even more respect for you, Master Samwise. What raw & authentic emotion. Thank you

[@AnaBananaOG]

Mr. Hill, our beloved King Theoden, went to his fathers yesterday. RIP.

[@deadbrother5355]

I respect your genuine emotion for the words and deeds of fictional characters. These stories effect me deeply as well.

[@mikemathers4524]

"A lesser son of great sires, am I." I see this less as self depreciation than humility and honoring his forebears. A man still held in :AWE: of his blood. Like Aragorn and the Argonath.

[@randomsmall-governmentguy2221]

You sir always succeed in steering my heart towards courage, hope, and virtue. For that, you have my deepest gratitude.

[@sirzorg5728]

I failed to notice previously the connection between the host of the Rohirrim and the Host of Orome. Having read the Silmarillion, that connection is extremely high praise. Long Live the free peoples of the West!

[@chizobapeters9793]

Thank you for this. As a Christian I found so many references to my faith in this. The importance of music cannot be overstated. And listening to Theoden’s last words made me cry. Such beautiful writing such inspiring characters. Such depth. Thank you

[@amyg9518]

That's a really good suggestion as to why that "you should smile more" or other variations brings such a visceral disgust. It definitely feels right. I loved the sheer emotion in your voice when reading the excerpt of the ride of the Rohirrim. I got chills.

[@RadeFoxxy]

Theoden is my favorite character from the movies as well. You emotional readings show the power of his character over the hearts of man.

[@Philosopierer]

I'm happy to see other men as touched as I am by Theodens death. My wife will never undestand why I cry during Lord of the Rings over and over again. :D Thank you so much for your great work!

[@darkaxel1991]

I'm really enjoying this series about masculinity. Can't wait to see more!

[@Sean-ne3gx]

This and the Kratos video are great, thank you for what you're doing. I'm working on a research assisted paper on toxic masculinity and the mental health crisis in men and boys and I'm kind of amazed at both how few academic sources are currently available on the topic and how apparently skewed my opinion was when I thought there would be a lot of work being written on healthy or virtuous masculinity. I also want to applaud you for not cutting out your voice breaking or you tearing up at what you were reading, no shame in them.

[@joelvaross]

I love how you allow your emotions to show, really shows how great these stories and films are if you tear up just talking about them, though I feel the same.

[@ryvyr]

Your delivery of spoke essay and Tolkien's prose are so stirring, I cannot in short give adequate thanks for it and the moral message sure to linger and inspire ;w;

[@victorrenevaldiviasoto9728]

R.I.P. Bernard Hill, he gave such a performance as King Theoden

[@annamaria4107]

Reading Tolkien is quite the experience. The way he writes gets me emotional, too, the beauty of which makes me want to just stop and dwell on the words. Thanks for the thoughtful video!

[@jordanbooth4470]

As a fellow Theoden lover (my absolute favourite character in a flock of legendary characters) this video is just outstanding. Let this be the hour that we draw our swords together

[@Flamingpiano]

"The mark of a great man is one who knows when to set aside the important things in order to accomplish the vital ones."

[@Ale_ER]

Here to pay homage to Bernard Hill. What a great performance he gifted us. Hail Theoden King!

[@nearalamodallas3818]

I came to this video not knowing anything about the movies or the books. But now I am inspired to learn more. If a book's words can move a man such as you to tears when reading them, and a movie's sweeping battle effects can transmute the mud and blood of death in war into glory, then they must indeed invoke powerful magic!

[@Samimama92]

I’m so glad I stumbled upon your channel when I did. This past Sunday marked two years since my Dad’s untimely passing. He was the one who introduced me to Middle Earth, one of our many shared passions but probably the one I loved to discuss with him the most. Your videos are a joy to listen to and the insight and analysis is a balm to that part of me that no longer has someone to share such conversations with. Thank you so much.

[@jon_3195]

Dammit man. Hearing your voice quiver during the charge of the Rohirim made me cry. I always get emotional during that part

[@Rekaert]

One of the things they did exceptionally well for me was Theoden. A man woken from thralldom, only to find his son dead, he land besieged, and the very real prospect of the end of his people. He isn't represented as perfect by any means. There is little time for his grief, and it turns to wrathful anger when Aragorn suggests helping Gondor, and yet when the actual call comes, he puts aside his anger and rides to their defence. He succumbs to despair at Helm's Deep, but rides out with Aragorn in the face of what appears to be a sure death. He is a good man, a brave man, who leads his people in a time of need, and when it comes to Pelennor, is ever inch the great King that his forebears were.

[@einrauser6103]

Was out walking the hounds, trying not to turn into a teary mess listening to Theoden's words.

[@NDTexan]

The charge of the rohirrim at the pellenor Fields was an absolute masterpiece both in the book and in the Peter Jackson movie. Simply perfection

[@random22026]

6:50 Love it! 15:27 Why, Henry--of course 25:14 💥Got it in one! Absolutely not! Extending forgiveness to one who will turn around and continue to do vile acts and despicable crimes--without a shred of remorse (or even self-knowledge that what they do, and have done, is evil)? NO.💥 26:08 Excerpt in point: 'Prove your faith' = prove my faith in you is justified; that my trust in you is not misplaced. Wormtongue shirks this opportunity, because the worm would turn again, if given the opportunity. 34:30 The House of MEDUSELD, indeed. 35:11 Theoden to Eomer: 'Nay, my son, for so I will call you...' 40:40 Tolkien at his most blatant BEST 46:30 to 'dearer than daughter'. Superb analysis, brilliant presentation, and the heartfelt reading of Tolkien's prose brought the tears. Happy 2024. Subscribed. May your viewership run and run into the millions. 🙏🏻

[@NClark-lp3bq]

I love the excited inflections in your voice as you read the greatest fantasy scene ever written as Theoden leads his men at the Pelennor Fields, your tear-jerking anticipatory voice so perfectly conveys what we all feel in our hearts every time at that very moment. ⚔

[@sashaborokowski8029]

I just discovered your channel. I'm glad I'm not alone in getting choked up reading Theoden's Charge. And capping the video off with Vode AN won you my subscription my friend!

[@spear7724]

I teared up sooo much listening to his last words man it was beautiful i love it thank you for you being vulnerable with us as well my friend ❤

[@master_samwise]

I broke down at least three times reading through that.

[@hatchhermit77]

Master Samwise, I want to thank you for this video and the one about the Ride of the Rohirrim. For as long as I can remember the Ride of the Rohirrim was my most favorite scene in the trilogy. It always makes me tear up and usually makes me cry. I have been going through a tough time in my life since 2019. I got divorced, had no children, hurt my back, got laid off from the best job I ever had, and hurt my back a second time. It has been a long road and as of last week I was starting to allow myself to hope and do the things I thought I should do to recover. I'm not sure why I clicked on that first video of about the Ride of the Rohirrim. I already whole-heartedly agreed that it was the best scene. But I did, even if cynically. And your words not only inspired me, but gave me Theoden as an example of what I want to be. I wrote the quote "I go to my fathers, in whose might company, I shall not feel ashamed." on a piece of paper and hung it in my bedroom as a reminder. I want to feel that way some day. And I know the only way to do it is to live it. I was reluctant to watch this video because I didn't want to cry, but I did watch, and I did cry, and by all appearances so did you. I don't know, man, thank you for this and thank you for revealing to me a motivation that I didn't know I needed. When I had already made the decision, God sent me such reinforcement. We are truly Blessed.

[@sasha1mama]

That *is* a ruthlessly cool line, though. "When you hang from a gibbet, for the sport of your own crows - *then* we shall have peace."

[@MrLightingGeek]

I was hoping you'd pull the recording of Professor Tolkien reading the Pelenor fields lines, it's a wonderful recording. You did a fantastic job as well, great to hear how much you actually love the words themselves in your voice. Amazing video as always, and I'm glad that you pointed to direct examples of love between Theoden and others. It's one thing to talk about love, and another to have true examples of it.

[@master_samwise]

I just listened to that recording (again) today. It's incredibly powerful.

[@someguy9520]

As a kid, aragon was my favorite and he still kinda is 15 years later, but for a diffrent reason. Theodon was the "very cool, but old king" as a kid. Now...he's just majestic. Stoic, sometimes very old fashioned but a king at heart Every time I watch him getting healed and finally pulling out his sword gives me the chills

[@brianhodgson9547]

Cheers ... in my teens {i'm now 55} - i read Lord of the Rings over and over again - 30+ times - your review of what Tolkien was attempting to do or convey in his writings is exactly why it's deemed as the best set of books in the last Century, probably subconsciously, that's why people enjoy Tolkien. My son - 16 - i will be showing him your video as a guide for life and living