I HATE 13 Reasons Why (Season 3)

IHE delves deep into the hilarious farce that is the third season of 13 Reasons Why.
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[@IHE]

Hope you enjoy the vid, season 3 of this show is so hilariously bad I almost have to recommend it! I came close to not making a video on this topic, but it's merely too humorous not to... This video was made in junction with my buddy TheRightOpinion who has a HUGE video on the same subject you should check out ► kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZbJYqGfna15j7c

[@greg4359]

Nice your back

[@poidpd]

HEY! IM 82 BY THEY WAY! DOES YOUR NAME MEAN YOU HATE YOURSELF !?!?!??!?!!??! IM 93 BY THE WAY!Y

[@juntingiee2602]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhh fist coment hhhhhh agahagahag

[@LiamDoesStuffOfficial]

Tragedy exploitation milking is epic

[@lfamvs5520]

Hey man, seeing you posting your good old IHE video's really makes me happy. I can't wait to see it! Keep up the good work and your video's always put a smile on my face :)

[@fernisplant]

"I'm gonna be reborn in a million men." 13 Reasons Why: The Clone Wars.

[@dubiousdeliquite6641]

Kura Does Things in the next season bryce's grave is struck by lightning, and when it is his consciousness leaks into the minds of millions in the nearby area, leading to a mass hive mind force. The characters are quickly chased out of town, towards the nearby lake area where they must deal with the apocalyptic society they now inhabit. Eventually they befriend a wise fisherman, and he shares his final catch before the outbreak: the gun stash the kids had hid in the lake. The next 4 episodes is them taking back the town and saving the world I wrote that as a joke but I would totally watch that despite not watching a single episode so far

[@Hadarouken]

The Sith killed Bryce to kick off the Clone Wars

[@elliotstannard5621]

@@Hadarouken Bryce was the Emperor, and he faked his own death for the sake of changing his identity.

[@manospondylus4896]

Dubious Deliquite Reminds me of the fifth Friday the 13th movie where Jason gets resurrected by a lightning strike

[@italianstallion7272]

Begun, the Bryce Wars have...

[@MissSatanSparkles]

They killed off Bryce because his receding hairline was starting to become really obvious

[@myoldvan119]

They have fake hair for TV that looks very natural so I doubt it lol

[@inkakoutna7155]

Yeah and his 12 years old son and wife were missing him at home

[@trinaq]

His actor is about 26 in real life, but even in Season 1, he DID NOT look like a teenager! 😂🤣

[@bignigga1008]

Frank West yeah I never knew the actor had a receding hairline until I watched this video

[@tinygreencreature5167]

@@trinaq none of the characters look like teenagers

[@steamashe3509]

If only Charles Manson had a few more paint fights with his mom.

[@TheNickleChick]

@Animefan764 I love that this comment implies that Charles Manson DID have a mom.

[@areyousureyouenteredyourna85]

I've always wanted to shoot my mom with paintballs. I wouldn't call it a "fight", though...

[@masonshipton2344]

@DIAMOND ACE I believe its from Pokemon, not the anime though

[@kimochi5009]

spaghetti . jpeg I love that this comment implies that Charles Manson existed.

[@blackmegamind6654]

@DIAMOND ACE its hilda from pokemon B/W

[@adhistiekaputri8041]

Ani’s presence is like a self-insert character in fanfiction aka y/n wattpad.

[@BucketOfFuk]

Right? They basically made her omnipotent but they couldn't even explain how

[@elefk34]

But y/n can be likable and the plot on wattpad is readable

[@gracekim25]

_fo.oli. sh_ huh?

[@rosestrife1498]

@@elefk34 Agreed. Ive read a couple fanfictions where Y/n is simply a support character instead of a M/G ary Sue or y/n has their own problems to deal with and has their own seperate story line

[@K_DC]

but but the show said she's very observant.

[@AB-uf1et]

Thirteen Reasons Why Season 4: Hannah Baker was alive all along, the person who actually killed herself was her long lost twin sister, Henna Baker who Hannah met shortly before the suicide and decided to swap lives with

[@daddysenpai408]

Pretty Little Liar vibes

[@sarahroberston4174]

Oi

[@someguy4566]

I wouldn't be surprised if this happen.

[@apassionatenerd.3564]

Season 5: hannah actually raped brice

[@user-me7hx8zf9y]

From the Book of Hannah, remember that

[@cole6245]

It's gross that fangirls started stanning Monty simply because he's gay and has an abusive dad. Neither of those things change that he was a monster and deserved what he got.

[@kittyfox123]

THANK. YOU. They see one scene where he’s disrespected and they go: moNtY x wIlSToN mOnTY X wIsToN! Like....one sad scene doesn’t make him a good person. It really doesn’t.

[@xZyane]

Still, his arc was ended so shitty that I really was mad that he had to die. Like, just leave him in prison, why the fuck does he have to die?

[@manband20]

It fascinates me how some groups of people can be so starved for characters like them that they will leech onto the first character they see that is remotely like them, ignoring awful things they do just because they get representation. I'm a huge LGBT supporter, but there is a very fine line between "This character is what I am therefore I shall stan" and "This character shares something in common with me, but I won't support them because they raped a guy with a broomstick."

[@danksenzuweed2]

Yeah, the only people that genuinely like this show for what it is are dumbass teenagers.

[@tinaabdalla3791]

YES the whole “he’s like this because he’s gay “ arc is terrible

[@sandythemaster6898]

''He was a human being'' ''Oh god, shut your face.'' Relatable as hell.

[@omnical6135]

i can't believe this show is supposed to be "a learning tool for young people to starting having a conversation" the main characters are literally murdering people, framing others and hiding guns they're criminals with no moral code

[@bestrafung2754]

Yeah, at least season 1 ATTEMPTED talking about mental illness, even if it did it horribly.

[@richhobo1216]

Right it seems like they choose which people to help seemingly at random. They decided to forgive Tyler for literally trying to shoot up a school but didn't forgive Bryce for raping girls. Obviously, neither should be forgiven and both should receive the punishment they deserve, but they didn't do that and decided that Tyler did nothing wrong and he was just a poor troubled boy. They(the writers) even made Zach seem like the asshole for wanting to turn Tyler in, even though that is the completely sensible choice.

[@kshatriya1414]

richhobo1216 With Tyler they wanted to highlight that if schools actually stopped bullies instead of punishing the ones who are bullied and actually implement a good mental health system at the schools things like school Shoo*ings could be prevented. They also wanted to show how just being a friendly person towards those in need you can actually make a huge positive impact on them.

[@shayla106]

Kshatriya Right and it also pushed the message that you should try to talk down school shooters, endangering not only your life but the whole school.

[@nanalove3819]

@@kshatriya1414 yes, showing that being friendly to other can have a positive impact is a good message; but did they really had to do that with a school shooter? I mean, if Tyler was at the point to shoot the entire school and didn't plan to make it alive, he doesn't only need friends friend, but a profesional therapist. The idea that mental illness can be cured by teenagers is a bit dangerous.

[@mar6488]

Season 1: Hannah Season 2: Life after Hannah Season 3: RIVERDALE

[@garretdrake2347]

that's an insult to riverdale

[@chaoz7370]

Riverdale takes a murder mystery plot, takes multiple hallucinogens, and then starts writing. That show goes freaking everywhere, from a board game drug cult to brainwashing churches. In other words, Riverdale is interesting.

[@Christian988.]

Don't do that Riverdale like that compare them to this garbage and river days just entitled to 2 time because if you want to waste your time fucking staring at the wall because staring at a wall for 30-minutes makes as much sense as that showed us Riverdale and 13 reasons why I am speaking about.

[@N55SFH]

Chaoz 73 badly written and clumsy =\= interesting

[@Haiylin]

Riverdale is an actual dumpsterfire but at least you get some masochistic pleasure in cringing at every scene. 13 reasons is just kinda bland in comparison, and way too edgy.

[@redaxis7900]

Who killed bryce walker ? ❌ Who killed captain alex ? ✅

[@w0rstart1st5]

Who killed Hannibal? (is this meme dead?)

[@com8693]

Who killed Captain Morgan?

[@tidepodpadthai2633]

Wasn't this show supposed to be about a girl's suicide? Hannah could be taken out entirely and hardly anything would change

[@Fijiivibes]

Without Hannah none of this would have happened

[@shayla106]

Fijiivibes And yet the show tried to continue without her.

[@Fijiivibes]

Shayla Nash I think they wanted the show to be about the aftermath of her killing herself. Like how her death caused a domino effect and changed everything. I don’t think they wanted the whole show to be about her

[@zachbetz6326]

Fijiivibes Well, to be brutally honest, this would never happen in real life even if 13 tapes were distributed to people who wronged the victim. The show makes it sound like suicide is a form of revenge (which it is not). And the way they treated Hannah’s motivation to kill herself is unrealistic too. Constantly the show says that bullying and peer pressure is the problem but it’s not just that. Mental health and family life are much more important for a child’s psyche.

[@InitialPC]

@@zachbetz6326 she killed herself after being raped, not exactly a stretch

[@henith7850]

Now it’s time to do a “I hate thirteen reasons why season 4.”

[@makaylasmart01]

PLEASE

[@semanticsamuel936]

I'm not sure why I watched it, but I did, and it's ridiculous. Plot threads just seem to dropped and consequences are so mild you have to wonder why they bother with the melodrama.

[@charlescalthrop2535]

I'm sad it's the last season kind of. With 13 reasons why, you get an IHE video and a YMS commentary. Both of which are happening for season 4.

[@janberkemeier7406]

Who could have it in their heart to hate it though, it's hilarious

[@Mink071]

theres a season 4 ?

[@matta6663]

The 13 Lessons I Learned from 13 Reasons Why 1. People suck and High School sucks. 2. Keep secrets from everyone. 3. Everyone’s problems should be your business. 4. Lie in court. 5. If I want to escape my problems, then I should do drugs. 6. If I get depression or have thoughts of self harm, I shouldn’t do everything in my power to seek help, but blame everyone. 7. If you disagree about someone’s political/religious views, label them as either crazy or something negative. 8. Embrace stereotypes affiliated with the type of person you are. 9. Rapists with no redeeming qualities or guilt for their actions are people too. 10. If I want to stop a school shooting, I should walk outside and confront the shooter. 11. If I want to get away with murder, I need the right crew. 12. Never learn a goddamn thing. 13. Avoid writing annoying characters like Ani and that one chick with glasses. (In all seriousness though, please do the exact opposite of all these lessons that the show’s clearly sadistic writers gave, minus the last one.)

[@mrbanks456]

Well... the first one is true, though.

[@frightening_volleyball1231]

You're 99.9% right. This show does not know what to teach teens, but... I'd have to disagree with two points: while yes, people who commit heinous acts *deserve* to not be redeemed, but the sad almost depressing fact of life is... even the most horrible people on this earth are still people, and they should be treated with as much professional help as possible. On that note: the school shooter scene: I will say, going up to a school shooter and talking to him while he has a gun in hand ready to shoot you is a dumb idea, but again, maybe that could work. I'm saying you should do it, don't do it, but maybe, just maybe talking to him and listening to his problems could work. By that I mean it could also end horribly. Those are just people, and I wish this series handled the issue of mental health way more properly.

[@RadTrashed]

@@frightening_volleyball1231 Seeking professional help isn't the same thing as implying that those people are entitled to any form of forgiveness or reintegration into their former community.

[@peepawfart]

Wuh oh we already got some homies who entirely missed the point of #9. I know damn well if someone I knew went up to a rapist and started treating them as kindly as their granny I would never interact with that person again, lmao

[@isabellevalenzuela6886]

#10 couldn’t be more accurate

[@feraguilar4175]

Clay has a mental illness, in season 1 his mom mentions his medication, and then they never talk about it EVER again. So they're going to feel like the best writers when they finally bring that back up.

[@Waouben]

@@Brocolli_Pizza They kind of forgot about the mental illness

[@manband20]

NOT TO WORRY, DEAR VIEWER! The final season's main story is Clay going to therapy and the therapist is Lt. Dan himself, Gary Sinise. I wish I was kidding. They are actually going to find a way to ruin the concept of going to therapy and getting help for your mental health problems.

[@adamboh393]

Final episode clay wakes up, looks at the pills on his bedside cabinet, smiles it was just a dream but it’s not over, he smile fades remembering the party last night he gets out of bed. Cut to clay busting out his houses then cut to clay running into Hannah’s house bursts into Hannah’s bathroom there she is with the razor bear her arm, she looks at him through tear filled eyes. Clay takes her hand and whispers “I’ll never leave you again” Run by Snow patrol starts playing in the background Hannah’s parents start clapping from outside the bathroom door and slowly are joined by the other characters, they begin to kiss slowly the door closes in the final shot is the door ‘The End?” The title reads.

[@kayyla5]

Sir Bobo lol😂😂 that’s mad crazy

[@manband20]

@@adamboh393 The image of the entire class crowding in the bathroom to watch a naked Hannah and a dopey Clay make out while clapping like it was the final game of the team's star player before retirement is amazing.

[@lfamvs5520]

I am positive that 13 Reasons Why would even try to give Adolf Hitler and Osama Bin Laden redemption arcs. iN tHE EnD, tHeY’Re OnlY HUmAn BEaNs AFtEr alL.

[@fos1451]

I actually would have no problem with it, my opinion is very controversial

[@areyousureyouenteredyourna85]

@@fos1451 you spelled "dangerous" wrong.

[@zekedia2223]

I would pay to watch someone try and give Osama Bin Laden a fucking _redemption arc._

[@fos1451]

@@zekedia2223 sounds like a good movie

[@ultimatewolfexists2378]

freedom of speech I think redemption is a bad idea. But a movie about their psychology would be good.

[@Marshmellow3971]

Season 1: The group of kids who were mean to a girl who killed herself and tried to cover it up and avoid responsibility for their actions are the bad guys. Seasons 3-4: A group of kids who killed a man in cold blood and framed someone else for it to avoid responsibility are the good guys. What is even going on anymore

[@nanalove3819]

So true lol. Season 4 is still like that? I didn't dare to watch because of how the ending of season 3 upsets me.

[@noelsteven9916]

Woah woah Bryce deserved it he literally raped mad people why are people trying to give him any type Of leeway

[@blackhippy3638]

@@nanalove3819 Season 4 was pointlessly chaotic. Writers had no idea where to go next so they just threw a bunch of random stuff in. They barely even addressed what happened last season.

[@ufazig]

"Killed a man" - Killed a violent rapist "Framed someone else" - Framed an even worse and much more violent rapist. If you want to say that's still wrong, that's understandable. But don't say it as if it were two honest innocent "human beings".

[@Marshmellow3971]

@@ufazig They were both human beings, and it is still wrong. There's a reason vigilante justice is illegal and you can't just go around killing people because they're bad or you think they're bad.

[@felikaofotter8227]

Why are you hating on this show? It was made by human beings

[@dustbindan3481]

*human beans

[@Nai-qk4vp]

@@nicktaylor1864 heinz beanz

[@pixulita]

B E A N

[@thestaroftheshow]

*Killer Bean would like to know your location*

[@jimpickens1701]

@@Nai-qk4vp holy shit we've cracked the code...

[@mrbanks456]

13 Reasons Why: Who killed *CAPTAIN* *ALEX*

[@billyhuynh4527]

That would, honest to god, be a better movie than this shit.

[@stefgrez]

Clay could be Bruce U. SUPPA KICKA

[@ExodiaTheD1HATER]

HUNTER X HUNTER SUCKS plez dont kill me I'm kidding

[@ovahlord1451]

THE MAN IS KILLING US MAN

[@PeptoBismarck244]

Tyler is actually a Tiger Mafia sleeper agent.

[@fernandavalenzuela1433]

If they wanted to redeem him, then they should’ve had him confessing for everything he did and receiving the correct punishment. Also Alex should be in prison for what he did along side Jessica.

[@fos1451]

True

[@InitialPC]

alex should get an award, he killed a sociopath who raped 10? 20 girls?

[@InitialPC]

@Princess Samara i think getting handcuffed and raping teenage girls are incredibly different, but i think we can both agree theyre all horrible characters

[@God_Help_Me11]

Too bad they need the Hands Off SJW shit nobody asked for

[@hkazu63]

Just as an extra note, can I point out Jessica’s actor when Tony’s actor is praising the show? In that moment, it looks like she knows that the show is garbage but she’s trying not to look does. Wouldn’t be surprised if a couple years from now, they start talking about it like Robert Pattinson talks about Twilight 😂

[@SahloFolina2161]

That would be hilarious.

[@Sky-gu9do]

This show was literally about a girl who killed herself who made 13 tapes for certain people blaming them because of it....idk wtf is going on now.

[@YaroLord]

from my understanding the main culprit (bryce) a serial abuser, got away with it and the main simp (clay) wants him to be held accountable... and after that... well yeah nothing makes any fucking sense i'm sure a good amount of 13 year olds legit think it's incredibly profound and groundbreaking tho, cause no one else is immature enough to NOT see through this disastrous pile of shit

[@anonme_]

Seriously, the foundation of the show was a joke. So she had the time to record the tapes, get them to post office and stuff but could not even try standing up for herself? And that's what they want me to pity? Sympathise with? Even the quietest girls I've seen turn into an absolute beast after a point of time.

[@bestrafung2754]

@@YaroLord A 13 year old who is seriously mentally ill probably won't like it. In fact, it'll probably make their condition much worse.

[@youtbuecraert]

Yaro They would probably stop after at least one of the seriously graphic scenes the show puts you through

[@imadeanewchannelchecklist6352]

@@anonme_ She didn't give them to the post office lol. Clearly you haven't seen the show

[@dannicasey1548]

It's a well established fact that once a series is completely out of idea's that there's ONLY one place left to go: SPACE!

[@TheAlpacalypseIsUponUs]

Or a road trip. Space road trip.

[@jacklong1844]

They could bring Bryce back as a zombie

[@mawkishwarden172]

The one place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism!

[@xernoiva4443]

13 Reasons Why We’re Going to Space. That would definitely be more enjoyable than what they went with.

[@Gerald-of-Riviera]

Sounds like Fast and Furious franchise.

[@anondecepticon]

The writers of this show should really be ashamed of themselves. When they’re not doing logistic gymnastics to justify continuing a story that ended two seasons ago, they’re making clumsy attempts to promote positive social attitudes (executed so poorly they end up communicating the exact opposite) and endorsing outright criminal behavior. That might be okay if they admitted the show was a trash opera and embraced it like Riverdale (or Dynasty, for the old folks), but acting like it’s some kind of PSA and they’re doing the world a favor by bringing these “important issues” to light is disgusting and unconscionable.

[@sugarycitrus8247]

I love dynasty bc they know its stupid and thats the point. I hate when shows like this think theyre so fake deep. (Also Elizabeth gillies)

[@DoodleDoo2]

@@sugarycitrus8247 dynasty is dramatic and amazing, they don’t exist for any serious reasons, just pure entertainment, as long as someone makes sense it can be enjoyable even if it’s silly at times 🤷‍♀️

[@Idrive2011]

Put it in simple words i cant be bothered reading that. Actually ill copy paste it into google translate and audio voice it.

[@Hammerhead547]

I'd go one further and say that the writers on this shitheap of a show seem to think that they're writing episodes of Dallas that deal with "serious real world issues" in "an adult manner"that will generate huge ratings and really make people think when what they're really writing an ABC After School Special level program that no one with an ounce of intelligence takes seriously.

[@alwynsmit3546]

You can see the writers know nothing about the subjects they're covering.

[@arielest6749]

in season 4 they slaughter thousands of people to find out who really killed hitler (spoiler alert it was hannah baker)

[@bestrafung2754]

Then they find out they're all little Hitlers in their own way and the show goes on to romanticise genocide (you know what I'm talking about). Actually, they'll probably read our comments and get ideas.

[@lukethekuya]

clay commits war crimes

[@justanothercommenterwithan9089]

hitler had a sadder back story then bryce cmon guys he's *OnLy HuMaN* its time to forgive and forget

[@nileverdeen3797]

Plot twist in season 5 : it was Wanda all along.

[@redbigun]

Even better, they go back in time and kill millions of people to draw out Hilter. Plot twist: they were Hitler all along.

[@speccysquaregolike9629]

*ani is just a wattpad oc who's just there and everyone likes her*

[@crownregis]

Omg this is the best way I've seen her described ever

[@lucyaprilyui]

literally shes so random like she just appeared out of nowhere in season 3

[@Slithery]

I heard about her and I’m like... canon Mary Sue???

[@coconoot_]

I don’t like her

[@daddysenpai408]

@@coconoot_ they mean the characters in the show like her

[@Hammerhead547]

Bryce is basically a teenage ted bundy except he has no charisma.

[@omariramsey1154]

@M S Doesnt seem like a compliment. Ted Bundy was VERY charismatic - to the point that there are still women out there who wanna be with him, despite what he'd done. Idk what else to call that but charisma.

[@georgeferrett1799]

Omari Ramsey Those women are clear he got the chair about 30 years ago right?

[@iciajay6891]

Played by a dude in his 30's

[@Alex-tn3tq]

@M S I think you can also see that people see Ted as charismatic aswell by Zac Efron being cast as an accurate depiction of him

[@omariramsey1154]

@@georgeferrett1799 pretty sure they are. Ted Bundy has a fanclub/cult type following of women who think he was hot and they conduct tours anywhere that has anything to do with him. Theres a full doc about it

[@courier6960]

This show tackles a lot of societal issues: bullying, suicide, school shootings, depression, rape, murder, and other negative behaviors *And it somehow manages to give the wrong opinion on ALL OF THEM*

[@damienthonk1506]

It doesn't really give any opinions at all.

[@daltonfarris]

📠 Fr tho, they "start a conversation" and by doing that make the character's do stupid and awful things but still have them be... Protagonists? 🤦🏿‍♂️👎🏿

[@gamerhats4145]

Jay Asher is a hack

[@charlescalthrop2535]

They're just trying to be controversial. In season 3 they also covered abortion, immigration, repressed homosexuality etc. I'm sure Season 4 will cover any remaining sociopolitical issues.

[@dummy1004]

Charles Calthrop season 4 is out, you are correct

[@GamingtheOtter]

Murder, rape, and other illegal activity. Any remember these memories from high school? No. Neither do I.

[@sadrabbit53]

I mean one of the local high schools in my area has a bit of a gang and drug problem but damn it isn't like this It's like Crimes for Babies or Crime Jr., not... murder.

[@DestielSnot]

We had overdoses, suicides, literal pedophile teachers and gang violence at my old high school so it does exist. But definitely not to the show's extent at least. Mine's probably a rare case lol.

[@KassandraQuiseng]

Someone was murdered at my high school. There was a bit of gang violence since it was an inner city school, but besides the stabbings it was pretty normal.

[@bigfan4453]

Ruby oh-

[@braveheartthewarriorcatajClare]

Ruby im sorry..

[@HomesliceBrice]

I dont think its realistic. Every character is either a rapist, been raped, a murderer, drug addict, drug dealer, illegal possession of fire arms, lied to police or lied under oath or done something illegal. It makes no sense. I can only think of Tony who hasn't done something wrong, but even he keeps secrets for people that he knows are illegal.

[@Elysion404]

Tony has insane anger management issues and constantly acts out in very physical and damaging ways. Every character is so over-the-top flawed they just become caricatures of every stereotype ever.

[@Xehanort10]

Instead of being interesting characters who've gone through serious shit they're all just one note and defined by a single personality trait. Instead of being people who bad things happened to those bad things are all there is to them.

[@sullyschwartz2365]

Exactly, there’s nothing mild, like “oh they just party every now and then and like to smoke a bit” instead its “oh they go to school fried and party till they blackout”

[@jacobgrimsley9123]

Yknow id say that at least a lot of the characters started out as normal but flawed people, and then they became so messed up because of the situation involving the people around them such as Hannah and Bryce etc

[@aceman0000099]

Sounds like it's got EastEnders syndrome

[@saladman420]

I honestly hate the “homophobe who is secretly gay” trope that they have with Monty

[@ginogatash4030]

everyone in the show is a trope, Bryce is EEEEEEVIL! but StIll A hUMaN BeiNG! the school shooter is a quiet kid, the Hispanic guy is an illegal immigrant because Hollywood doesn't believe in legal immigration, the obnoxious Tumblr stereotype girl looks and acts just like said stereotype, and she wears only t-shirts with rainbows because the writers hate subtlety, the old MC is just white guy for people to project themselves into, and the new MC is POC self insert from some fanfic.

[@chellabeanhenderson9927]

@@ginogatash4030 omg I love this comment. 😆

[@TheSalamanderMenace4]

@@ginogatash4030 The Hispanic guy turning out to be an illegal because he looks Hispanic is kinda racist itself lol

[@user-me7hx8zf9y]

@@TheSalamanderMenace4 That's not what racism is lmao Still makes it pretty edgy, lazy writing, enforcing stereotypes, etc.

[@jadendafinger]

I think “gay homophobe” could make for an interesting movie idea.

[@pringles4368]

Plot Twist: Clay hallucinated the whole thing the entire time.

[@some_metalhead]

Since he and the writers forgot about the pills he was supposed to take in season 1.

[@pringles4368]

Exactly

[@Xehanort10]

Hannah's really alive and keeps trying to get through to Clay but he's stuck in a delusion in his own mind where she killed herself, everyone on the football team's a rapist and school shootings keep happening.

[@overwatchuniverse1002]

It would make sense

[@flawedsanity]

I mean. Sort of lol

[@jessxo4363]

13 reasons why be like: oh he’s a serial rapist....but he feels bad so let’s forgive him ☹️☹️☹️☹️

[@mrthanos8140]

They are gonna get kids killed because they will feel bad for awful people Tyler about to shoot up a school gets forgiven and doesn’t even get caught right? Even if it was a close friend they going to the police what’s to stop them from getting angry again and killing you? But no they aid murder and stuff because feelings. Not everything can be solved with a sorry and hug dumb tv shows

[@777holy67]

oh my god this show...hew

[@egon2499]

Well, it's good he feels bad. No one should be proud of what he did. But he should not force the others to forgive him.

[@sweethysteria8737]

After all…. He is a hUmAn BeAnnnn

[@MichaelMan2000]

IHE thank you for criticizing the trash like 13 reasons why, and praising the gold... Like Madagascar

[@jrdnsgrarchvs9163]

Yes

[@harryrappell2214]

Idk what to comment here so Hi

[@nightowl8477]

I like Magagaca

[@absoluteanarchyproductions8432]

I liked your comment just for the JAR profile picture.

[@MichaelMan2000]

Absolute Anarchy Productions I get that a lot

[@shinkinshin001119]

It's like giving Adolf Hitler a redemption story.

[@jd1800]

He was a human bean

[@MrPF]

@@jd1800 He was a human been

[@lonelystar2706]

Be Hitler: Vegan Loves dogs An artist No smoking & drinking What is not to love about him?

[@kodymcbride6901]

@@lonelystar2706 Yeah, he totally didn't do anything heinous like be responsible for the deaths of millions or anything.

[@fellinuxvi3541]

@@kodymcbride6901 Details

[@MrGMovieReviews]

I agree this season sucks, but that actor who plays Bryce is damn good

[@jinnnloy563]

He actually is surprisingly

[@guddytooshoes]

He had me right up to that emotional scene where he cries doing yoga with his mom. The acting was really bad during that scene it looked like he was laughing 😂

[@LuciaLight100]

You know you are a good actor when if a fan of the show sees you and punches you in the face for raping Hannah and Jessica. Kinda like now every time I watch a movie with John Lithgow, I immediately scream out, “You son of a bitch! You killed Rita!”

[@LuciaLight100]

It hasn’t happened but I know if I saw him I would have that urge the first second. Played the role really well lol

[@SyrianHch]

He's so good that he somehow made me like Bryce in season 3

[@lucyh.9781]

Ani is one of the most annoying characters on any show I've ever watched

[@AGJ117]

I've seen nobody like her, including people who hate, love, or just review the show. How do you write a character that terribly?

[@makaylasmart01]

Yes

[@klg9549]

@@AGJ117 Make them appear the fuck out of nowhere and suddenly revolve everything around them.

[@thehermit8618]

@@klg9549 ah yes...there's a name for characters like that: M A R Y S U E

[@braveheartthewarriorcatajClare]

It Just Works true

[@casieatthe393]

This season may be over, but it will be reborn in the pilots of millions of Netflix shows.

[@natir1893]

Underrated comment

[@satanlovestotrip9764]

Oh god no

[@esyphillis101]

I don’t understand this comment. Would someone be so kind as to explain?

[@casieatthe393]

Marcus Chang It’s a play on a quote from the show.

[@casieatthe393]

Seth Belfort No I’m not

[@sharkpaw]

In season 4 it turns out the entire show is just in Clay's head and Hannah was the only other real human bean.

[@doreaame]

For real?

[@Sophia-db8fu]

doremi fa nah. But clay does go insane (kinda)

[@justdeadedkinda1897]

LMAO I WISH

[@matthew1882]

Real human bean.

[@Ivory540]

Wow

[@BigBossMan538]

This show is like a car crash. You can’t help but stare even though you know what you’re seeing is terrible

[@rdsim0424]

legit in season 4 clay gets into a car crash and then they just move on. like, no injuries, no consequences, no repurcussions -

[@BigBossMan538]

@@rdsim0424 What the hell

[@SuperTimtom88]

69 likes nice

[@Xehanort10]

@@BigBossMan538 Yeah they walk it off like they have Wolverine's healing factor or something.

[@wendiepatterson8548]

It's funny because clay crashes a car

[@SN-mb6kv]

"He is still a human bean." Thank u for pointing that out, im aware he is not a alian

[@dailygeek1334]

A hUmaN beAn

[@kirah2602]

the thing that annoys me the most about this show is the writers and actors pretending like it’s some amazing complicated social commentary on mental health.

[@danielshore1457]

If you want a good commentary on mental health just watch BoJack horseman

[@joshuaclarke1389]

Daniel shore was a great show, but now it’s gone and everything is horrible now

[@supremeghost7950]

@@danielshore1457 It was the most depressing show I've ever seen. That's why I loved it so much.

[@hamishstewart5324]

@@danielshore1457 didn’t that show also call Bojack out for trying to blame his terrible behaviour on all the terrible things that happened in his past?

[@queendarkness9565]

"I will be reborn into the bodies of a million men." Haha, what? No high schooler talks like this!

[@nusretakdemir9141]

that bit was kinda epic ngl

[@unluckygamer692]

It was in Clay's mind. I think it's just his homo-erotic thoughts honestly. He would do "anything" for Justin. Can't even blame him being more interested in men, considering his past girlfriends...

[@queendarkness9565]

@@unluckygamer692 The dude is a total nutcase

[@RACHELLEflo]

Over aged writers who know the series is over.

[@apocalypse369]

Lmao true

[@rasengamer4191]

Are we not gonna talk about Clay admitting that he writes FAN-FICTION?

[@user-sr6dr7nn1f]

When and about what?

[@DONIMATOR-pn5rp]

@@user-sr6dr7nn1f it was when he was explaining to Justin why his search history it so dark. He explained it as "I have to kill of characters." It was when he was a suspect for. Bryce's murder

[@HafidzMurshidie]

Seriously season 3 is just so so dumb.. Like, this dialog.. “A: Hey, B..! You tell me what you were doing on this date, and where were you on that day..?! B: How about you tell me what you’re doing and where were you on this date instead? A: It’s none of your business...” This dialog reoccurs again and again and again.. You could put any character on A and B (except for Bryce) and I’m sure there’s a scene about it..

[@rasengamer4191]

@@HafidzMurshidie let’s not forget that neither character has a (legal) hobby. No one plays video games or picks up any books. All they do is do drugs, fight each other, screwin each other‘s brains out, and lying.

[@lilenwasnothere6867]

that's the most normal part of the entire show

[@Burning0Lilac]

I'm so annoyed with Clay's character. He was the main in season 1 and he seemed to be the only one with a moral compass. The actor is brilliant and despite the horrible writing his arc was the most interesting then it's like they completely forgot about him in favor of characters that are less interesting and less relatable. Not only that but they brought clay down to their level, leaving zero characters with any morality or desire for truth. I feel bad for the actor :/

[@fv1005]

I feel they wasted him as an actor.

[@hadassahmpare2701]

same. I feel like Dylan Minnette had more to give as an actor but the writers gave him an awful plot

[@Racecarlock]

Personally, I can't wait until season 6 where every character is just stealing and killing left and right like a grand theft auto protagonist.

[@bobbyferg9173]

Comparing these characters to Grand Theft Auto protagonists is an insult to GTA protagonists

[@Dalton_Boardman2000]

Gta 6 has to have better cheat codes. The ones in 5 were better than 4 but still kinda lackluster. Invincible for 5 minutes? Drunk mode? Where's the cheat that makes all pedestrians dress like Elvis?

[@brandong.5487]

@@Dalton_Boardman2000 agreed. Still no money cheats tho😔

[@madeleinep.828]

Why couldn’t they have just stopped with Season 1? It pisses me off so much that they promote themselves as this great show with great messages, yet they’re unnecessarily dragging the story on just for money.

[@Ash-hx1jz]

I liked season 2. Its existence made sense: it was the trial following the crimes committed in season 1. I don't think season 3 was necessary at all but these characters are so popular Netflix didn't want to let them go. Instead of having a whole new season of 13 episodes, season 3 could've been an hour-long epilogue showing us the characters' lives after the trial. Did we need another 13 episodes? No.

[@crod9905]

I'm one of the few to admit Season 1 was so good and actually had something to say. After that, it just became the melodramatic, edgy nonsense everyone claimed it was from the beginning.

[@preranap3980]

I think so too! Season 3 was so unnecessary

[@inferi312]

It was superficial garbage from the start, it portrayed people with mental problems as melodramatic egoists who wallow in their despair so lovingly, they create a podcast about it. Its "messages" prompted numerous mental health experts to warn the public of how harmful it was, and that backlash is the only reason they started adding those mental heath PSAs later on. That show is a slap in the face of anyone who actually struggled with mental health.

[@saroct929]

yes! this! i stopped watching when they announce they will have a second season

[@TeddyBear-vt2dx]

I just feel bad for Bryce’s actor tho imagine getting hated for something he was told to do.

[@fos1451]

There are someone that hated him because of this show? I guess people don't really make sense

[@fos1451]

@DarkSusanoo007 I think most of the attack is just a troll, but well..... It's still bad

[@mathiaswilhelm1902]

Only idiots hate actors for the characters they portray It does happen but only people who can’t tell fact from fiction

[@michellecieoffi4846]

I hated how they handled Tyler's character. I felt like the only reason everyone liked him in the end was because of his trauma. Feel free to tell me otherwise, but if I remember right Jessica hated being with him until he opened up about the ... incident.

[@WykydJester]

That's the thing I had forgotten about with Tyler and the rest of the crew. They've essentially disliked him since season one, when they learned he was a stalker and took the photo of Hannah & Courtney (going so far as to omit him from the pact several of them made to keep Clay from finding out about Bryce raping Hannah via the tapes). Then, in season two, most of them don't even give a second glance to Tyler after he testifies in court about the goings-on at the school and he's almost forced into making new friends (cue the stereotypical punk rock-loving anarchist kids with an axe to grind about the establishment).

[@michellecieoffi4846]

@@WykydJester yeah then the punk guys left him too after some tension happened with the leader's sister and then they really just left him as a third wheel. Didn't they?

[@nanalove3819]

so true... They hated him because he stalked Hannah (though the hided Bryce's rape because Hannah may have lied... this logic). Then they never seem to like him, they think he was weird; only Alex cared about him ad saw him as a friend. But now he had felt trauma, so... everyone loves him? What???? That's the main problem with the show : it implies that you are only likeable if you go through trauma (even Bryce, hiss redemption arc began because he get bullied, which implies that trauma will make you a better person... what?).

[@fos1451]

@@nanalove3819 for Bryce, I would try to help him from the start. Also I think everything is wrong with the show

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@nanalove3819 The only reason they lied about Bryce was basically because they were friends with Justin and they were protecting themselves

[@shwebz1964]

*I'M ONLY HUMAN* *AFTER ALL* *I'M ONLY HUMAN* *AFTER ALL* *I'M ONLY HUMAN* *AFTER ALL* *DON'T PUT THE BLAME ON BEAN*

[@DerpADuhThatsMe]

Ya Boi - Don’t put the blame on Pearl.

[@uranium404]

Dont put your blame on Gary

[@gamebawesome]

*Some people got the real problems* *Some people out of luck* *Some people think I can solve them* *Lord heavens above* *I'm only human after all*

[@realainsmcf]

Maybe I’m Patrick

[@maurickmartinus91]

GameB Awesome 6:21 _human_

[@bungalowfeuhler1541]

“I will be reborn in a million men” Oh god... the cringe.

[@hapcot]

That's pretty gay tbh

[@omnical6135]

@@hapcot good to see i'm not the only one who thought that

[@thedevilgoose2482]

I read that in Leary’s voice

[@koonwaree]

@@thedevilgoose2482 laq

[@MegaSkiboy]

Please do season four. It's horribly bad. I couldn't even finish it

[@sanatoriumnugget6598]

Æ

[@Saltwaterfish96]

I watched a summary and i can only say WTF

[@josh_xd9395]

Yeah it was trash and rip Justin

[@nanalove3819]

@@josh_xd9395 What???? Justin dies in season 4? I wanted to ask if it was that bad, because I hated so much the end of season 3 that I didn't want to watch. (the only thing that makes it bearable for me is if everyone goes in prison at the end of the season, but it won't, so...)

[@satanicsalad6193]

@@nanalove3819 Yeah he gets AIDS and dies. Seriously

[@saralyn4062]

Jessica's whole personality in season 3 is encouraging, forcing really, the jocks to stop protecting their friends and team mates when they do horrible things like sexual assault, yet when Alex literally kills someone-the worst thing one can do- she protects him. Why? Because he's her friend. *internally screams* And let's not get started on how this show attempts to justify murder- and even shows them getting away with it in s4- after pretending to have some sort of moral code. Sad.

[@saralyn4062]

pikapi 27 that literally has nothing to do with what I said

[@daneshannon884]

@@pikapi2738 That's crazy but I don't remember anyone asking

[@fos1451]

But it could show something, that teenagers sometimes doesn't make sense

[@nomduclavier]

Is killing rapists really that bad

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@nomduclavier killing is bad and wrong no matter who that person is or what they did. It’s not up to us who lives or dies

[@CMGThePerson]

‘He’s just a human being’ Someone wrote this. Someone greenlit this. Someone approved this. Someone said this.

[@MsKimba18]

CMG The Person what does that mean? Hitler was A hUmAn BeInG. Jack the Ripper was A hUmAn BeInG. John wayne gacy Was A hUmAn BeInG

[@wilbur3220]

Hitler slaughtered tons of people? He’s still a human being! I mean, he killed Hitler after all!

[@ginogatash4030]

you forgot that someone recorded, and another one edited this.

[@_Onlime]

Human bean*

[@gwendolynstata3775]

White Male Privilege strikes again.

[@mpl347]

It’s crazy how they titled those people on his wiki as “enemies” instead of victims, considering most of them didn’t do anything to him in general and he jus fucked them all up(or as far as I can see)

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

13 Reasons Wiki: Jack the Ripper Enemies: Mary Ann Nichols (murdered) Annie Chapman (murdered) *[click to show 3 more]*

[@Fart432]

@@sherlocksmuuug6692 do one for hitler

[@shineayandrews1869]

Imagine raping someone and considering them your enemy.

[@ThadCastled117]

@@shineayandrews1869 I mean they would be if they blabbed about it. (Remember context)

[@fatalhug5998]

Megan maybe the wiki is saying his victims see him as their enemy

[@janberkemeier7406]

"I may be gone from this earth, but I will be reborn in the bodies of a million men" - an actual line of dialogue that someone apparently got paid to write

[@WowUrFcknHxC]

It still pisses me off that Sens8 got cancelled and this show gets perpetually greenlit

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Freema Agyeman was in that.

[@WowUrFcknHxC]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer She was so good in Dr Who. SO GOOD!

[@webbotubes]

I am still not over it

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@Kevin Byrnes Ikr

[@WowUrFcknHxC]

@obsidicrow771 _ the best show on Netflix

[@michaela644]

Eventually with all this milking, the joke’s gonna be “13 seasons why”

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

It ends with season 4.

[@peeonthepenski4729]

@@DrGregoryHouseIT how do you feel about that

[@pureevil9496]

Gave me an evil laugh

[@0TheJigsawKiller0]

More like: 13 seasons?? Why????

[@Zeroshiki]

The ending was so unsatisfying and strange. Alex kills Bryce and, instead of fessing up and paying for the crime of doing so, they frame someone else. Weren't they preaching the entire time about how Bryce was morally bankrupt and wouldn't take responsibility for his horrendous actions ? Alex was such an annoying, unlikeable, psychotic character, too, I really wanted to see him just go to jail. Shit ending.

[@rhiannontomlinson9350]

I couldn't get through to the end of the third season it was that bad. Who did they frame for it?

[@metallicmaiden409]

@@rhiannontomlinson9350 monty

[@metallicmaiden409]

I know! Besides! They made Alex pretty much absolutely unlikeable this season, so i actually wanted him to go to jail

[@brianscanlon903]

Rhiannon Kate I agree. But I am also thinking of season 4. Maybe he will get arrested? Or his dad will go suspicious and find something in his room? I have no idea, but I agree that ending was terrible. 😊

[@jodjadien]

Lunyfuzzball118 his dad isn’t going to do shit because he got rid of evidence. They eluded that his father figured out that Alex did it but agreed to accept the story that Monty did it so his son wouldn’t go to prison.

[@coachrenaldo]

I feel like this season would’ve been better if Bryce didn’t go through a redemption arc and the season instead focused on a detective trying to solve the mystery of who killed him. Think about it: the show built up Bryce as a throughly unlikable person where practically everyone has something against him, whether it be tormenting them, beating them up, and even raping them, all the while escaping major punishments thanks to his untouchable status. This would give the detective a difficult case to solve as he or she would have a big list of suspects that all have a reason to off Bryce, some bigger than others. But that’s just me anyway.

[@dailygeek1334]

You. Netflix NEEDS to hire you!

[@adeel-eh7xq]

I hated Ani and Winston the most. The most annoying characters on the show.

[@karmalotus22]

I mostly hated Alex cause he was whiny and Jessica because she did so much bitchy shit. But every character is bad anyways.

[@adeel-eh7xq]

@@karmalotus22 I know, Justin becomes better way into the show.

[@oliviav.3565]

Winston seeking justice for a guy he barely knew. A guy who beat the shit out of him. 🙄

[@adeel-eh7xq]

@@oliviav.3565 Lol, who ever writes this stuff?

[@definitelynottommywiseau3037]

Personally, I find every character in this show to be irredeemable.

[@Double-R-Nothing]

Calling it now: season 4 will have necrophilia and bestiality.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

If the Zoophile is conflated to be a Furry, I swear to god...

[@Double-R-Nothing]

@@jakespacepiratee3740 13 Reasons Why writers: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!

[@sketchyjulia]

A character comes out as a furry

[@CharlieA24]

Hell,kill two birds with one stone by screwing the already dead horse they're beating.

[@ScoutTrooperTK]

@@sketchyjulia If they treat it like the mental sickness it is I'm fine with it

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

"Note: Monty died on the way back to his home planet."

[@annenestberg3219]

His people needed him

[@bloosonic123]

Thought this said Norm McDonald LOL WHY ME

[@e2daron]

MONTY’S DEAD!!!!! *laughs*

[@toughercoot0518]

He was a human being 🥺🤮

[@knightfall0153]

Are you referring to Monty as in Oum?

[@georgeorbinks8320]

I think that the reason Bryce's joke of a redemption arc was doomed to fail this season was because of how ridiculous it was in regards to the consistency of the character. It was as if he had an entirely different set of writers in season 3 compared to the last two, because the shift from narcissistic serial rapist without conscience to misunderstood kid who made some mistakes and just wants to make amends was...unexpected, to say the least. This did not feel like an organic change in any way, shape or form and just made for uncomfortable viewing. There is nothing wrong with writing a redemption arc for an antagonist, when it's done well, that is. I think Prince Zuko from Avatar: The Legend of Aang is my favourite example of how one can successfully write a three dimensional villain or anti-hero because from the very beginning we were shown Zuko's humanity, whether it was through his insecurities, his mistakes, his motivations, the love he had for his uncle, etc. This added nuance to the show and ultimately allowed for an organic character development that lead to a successful redemption arc because the show forced you to look deeper than what you could see on the surface with not only Zuko but all of its main characters. Now, Bryce Walker on the other hand could never have worked as a multi-layered, complex anti-hero by season 3, because it was so clear in seasons 1 and 2 of 13 Reasons Why that *he was never supposed to be one.* He was completely one dimensional with no nuance, just a very easy to hate, easy to swallow villain. We were never given any indication that this guy was anything other than a monster, nor were we given any insight into his thoughts, emotions or any other human facet of his character. It's not a villain trope I'm particularly fond of since it's pretty shallow but it is tried and tested, it works if that's what you're going for. So to establish someone as a cookie cutter, all around evil villain for 2 whole seasons, only to all of a sudden decide to make them human? It just can't work, you can't force in nuance that was never there in the beginning. The thing is, I genuinely really liked Bryce as a character in season 3, or rather, I would've liked him a lot more/felt more comfortable liking him had it not been so fucking weird and next to impossible reconcile him with the comparably unrecognizable version of him in the last two seasons. Bryce should've been just left alone as the awful rapist in this case, even though I think writing more than 1 season of this awful show was a mistake in itself. Side note: Maybe this is tOo PoLiTiCaL but...I actually think that making Bryce an entitled, spoiled but otherwise human and most importantly, potentially redeemable character *from the get go,* as in, from Season 1, would've actually made the entire show more interesting since you're creating more opportunities for the show itself as well as up a relatively untouched point of discourse. But that's just me, I like when shows explore the grey in what appear to be black and white issues. *I'm not defending rapists but at the same time, the media doesn't really discuss the grey areas when it comes to some instances regarding consent, eg: inebriated or intoxicated sexual encounters, change of mind mid-intercourse and other often unclear cases of whether consent was given or not, and all I'm saying is it would've been interesting to see a show tackling this, that's all.* But we didn't get any of that because the plot was never written intending to explore any interesting avenues. I think I probably expected too much from a Netflix original based off a crappy book lmao.

[@nanalove3819]

Same. I'm not against a redemption arc, but the way it is made... it is just... stupid? Like, I'm supposed to believe that the guy who proves in season 1 and 2 that he has no regrets, that he doesn't care about anyone but himself, will suddenly feels regrets? And why, because being bullied open his eyes? If that type of person is being bullied for their bad actions, they will think it is unfair, not that they may have done something wrong. That's the problem when someone creates a character that is meant to be a stereotype or has only one function (here, be the villain), and all of a sudden decides after a few seasons that the character should not be one-dimensional. I'm not saying it is impossible, but realy hard, and needs a quality of writing that they probably don't have if they created this type of character in the first place (except if their writing improved, but in this show... no). It's sad because it was actually an interesting question (is there people that can't change or don't deserve redemption?), but the way it is made can't work.

[@fos1451]

@@nanalove3819 you never know how people's mind work. If I'm somehow go to the same school as them, if I have heard about Bryce, I actually would try to be friend with him and help him. I would still doing it even if he have bullied me multiple times

[@skinni3194]

@@fos1451 obviously you need psychiatric help your mentality of I can make the bad guy good is toxic. It reminds me of the mentality of girls who were inlove with Ted Bundy thinking they could change him. I am not against people expressing their opinion ( despite how stupid they may be) bit can you stop putting it in every comment in the section. I don't need you hear your bullshit more than once.

[@Xehanort10]

The plot of the season should have just been "Bryce is dead. Who killed him?" Not flashbacks implying that his parents not loving him somehow made him a rapist even though it didn't. He chose to be one. The show acting like him hypocritically calling out Monty for raping Tyler, standing up for his mother against his granddad, banging Ani and crying during a yoga session somehow made up for him raping multiple women was sick. And you're right. Him going from remorseless serial rapist who got boners at the mere thought of it to a supposed "misunderstood victim" was a retcon not character development.

[@damnbabygirl8926]

Tbh I don't think we can put Bryce Walker and Prince Zuko on the same plane. I absolutely loved Zuko's redemption arc, but it isn't hard to forgive him when his only flaws were being an edgy teenager that was angry at the entire world because he tried to do something good but ended up getting burned (literally) for it. Bryce is an entirely different story; he raped dozens of girls and traumatized them forever. He drove one to suicide and was just a complete asshole all around. He was comically evil, as some people described. It's difficult coming back from that. The creators definitely could have made Bryce more complex and likeable, but I see no possible way to give him a proper redemption arc, because he cannot be redeemed.

[@Lady-Lilith]

I'm so tired of movies, tv, and even society seeming to think a tough childhood is an excuse to be awful. I have always been very empathetic, compassionate, and have a very good sense of right and wrong, despite both my parents being animal and child abusers, and racist. I witnessed and experienced a lot of horrific things but the only time those are used as an excuse for my behavior is when I burst into tears randomly or seem a bit too emotionally guarded with those close to me. Seriously fuck bullshit shows like 13 reasons why.

[@altromonte15]

season 4: "Bryce is mysteriously come back to life and has dropped a nuke on NY, but is he really a bad guy? Don't judge him so hastily."

[@inspectorjavert8443]

He covnereted to Islam just before he did it! We can't judge his new culture.

[@trahshsh6932]

dlollolb NTA

[@jimmy_ink]

Hes a human being!

[@Chibbykins]

@@inspectorjavert8443 what is wrong with you

[@marcohidalgo1101]

Bryce secretly brought the coronavirus to New York. Still, he's a human BEAN.

[@cubbleshasreturned6968]

I feel like this season is what happens when one of the writers watches riverdale for inspiration

[@randomguy6679]

At least Riverdale is hilariously bad and not insulting like 13 Reasons Why

[@forsaken-pr5iz]

@@randomguy6679 but it is still an intentional garbage show which it's sad

[@randomguy6679]

@@forsaken-pr5iz oh, I don't think it was intentional 😂

[@veanng]

Riverdale did the murder mystery story MUCH better. Season one with "Who killed Jason Blossom?" was extremely intriguing and quite a twisty and outrageous story that was put together quite well. I loved the first season of Riverdale (minus the hot for teacher side plot). I fully agree with your assessment.

[@cubbleshasreturned6968]

@@veanng I agree with that. Which is why it seems like they were trying to go for something similar except with a very unlikable character. With jason we start off not knowing what kind of person he is and have the blanks filled in

[@trixxartarchive7705]

This is literally just an edgy version of Riverdale.

[@damnbabygirl8926]

As if Riverdale isn't edgy itself haha

[@trixxartarchive7705]

@@damnbabygirl8926 yeah but Riverdale tends to have some holsom moments of the main characters just talking and also I think that Riverdale is some what self aware that their show isn't ment to be taken 100% seriously.

[@blunew467]

Both bad

[@definitelynottommywiseau3037]

At least Riverdale is very much in on the joke whilst 13 Reasons Why tries to take itself seriously as an exploration of mental illness and shit.

[@bournelucid]

Giving a minor character an intense backstory and killing them moments later is straight up a JoJo referance

[@lizadon0740]

Except for when Jo-Jos does it it actually works.

[@ep1cgaemur938]

@@lizadon0740 yeah pretty much

[@darkmatter1721]

Diavolo killed Bryce

[@justanothercommenterwithan9089]

@@darkmatter1721 Bryce is Diavolo

[@user-yk9kh3xu5s]

Narrow-mindness of JoJo fanbase is probably the best thing about that show.

[@_Amit_Sunil]

The saddest thing is I watched this and months later don't even remember who did kill Bryce Walker

[@user-garnet]

Amit Sunil spoiler: it was Ronald McDonald

[@quentinmcwimberton6797]

Amit Sunil Spoiler: it was Severus Snape

[@_Amit_Sunil]

Carole Baskins did it

[@35shadowthehedgehog]

Spoiler: It was Venom

[@cjo7277]

It was Obama

[@Freshness0009]

Clay: “i want to seek justice and the truth!” Plot: *Alex is the one revealed to kill Bryce* Clay:......unless it’s one of my bros that kinda treated me like crap throughout most of our relationship

[@priscocastillo3940]

Didn't suicide rates go up after this show aired

[@darkbowserdofus9978]

Yeah

[@ur_favorite_nintendo_gamer7107]

I truly believe that Bryce is a worse version of Bojack Horseman, the only difference being that the writers of this show want people to relate with Bryce. The writers of Bojack however, don't want people to relate with him. They know that the things Bojack have done are unforgivable, and can't be redeemed. Bryce on the other hand has done things equal to, if not worse than Bojack, and the writers still expect the viewers to relate to him, which is astonishing to me.

[@maddythetrashcan1075]

Bryce has definitely done worse than Bojack. From what I recall Bojack wasn't a serial rapist.

[@istanknowledgereason1561]

pleeeeeeeeeeeease don't compare Bojack to Satan Incarnate🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@yonataverse8071]

This show should have ended at season 1, after all the show is based on the book, and which that is based about Hannah

[@jarrodedson5441]

@Slender Man no shit...the show is meh

[@nyashiahughes3829]

Season 1 wasn't that bad to me, season 2 answered alot of questions I didn't have and season 3 was just kinda dumb

[@BrenturoX]

@Slender Man worse than season 2? Why do you Think that? Season 2 was the worst season I've seen in a tv-series tbh but season 1 was atleast good and if it would have followed the book more it would have been a nice show.

[@mastermind8047]

season 1 was absolute garbage tho. Only got to episode 10, and I tried really hard to not get bored.

[@shaynehughes6645]

@@BrenturoX ngl, that sounds quite biased.

[@hannahking9004]

I’m just really mad because I feel like this show would’ve been a good idea if done well. Like, if it had good creators who actually knew what they were doing, they could’ve actually explored the reality of mental health, assault, suicide, etc. and what it’s like for teens in high school. Instead we get this sack of garbage made by people who have no idea what they’re doing and just want to be deep and relevant and get praise for “being aware” and “helping others” without actually caring. All it does is harm others by glamorizing suicide and mental health and acting like this garbage show accurately portrays real life scenarios.

[@jrdnsgrarchvs9163]

That would be preferable

[@ClaireYunFarronXIII]

I agree with you there.

[@chaoz7370]

I bet if this show tried to portray Autism, they'd make the common mistake of displaying it like a disease.

[@hannahking9004]

Chaoz 73 ugh I don’t even want to think about them attempting to portray Autism 😑

[@jrdnsgrarchvs9163]

@@chaoz7370 nah they already unintentionally did that with clays character

[@aquasapostle1stapostleofth110]

It...it gets worse.

[@whoismadi]

15:53 *CORRECT!* -plankton

[@loveisanopendoor3532]

Imagine murdering someone and going to math class straight after wth no remorse or anything and letting other people fall for the crime???

[@leoandersson6461]

Great characters, should be role models for teenagers. And teenagers should really get the message ☺

[@pipstix5487]

Leo Andersson - Agree with this _so_ much. ☺️☺️☺️👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[@sweethysteria8737]

I mean... It’s Bryce...

[@ariannaw2714]

Sweet Hysteria How could you honestly still say that ? Jess & Alex are murders who need to be put away .

[@jacobdesigns8241]

@@sweethysteria8737 yeah, it's Bryce, but if i killed fucking Hitler i'd still feel remorse ngl even though he's conisdered the most evil man ever

[@doctorloser5298]

I feel like the show would be better if they had King Julien make a cameo. They should have a subplot where KJ is a new student and the people in school help him open up about his past experiences with being molested by Mort.

[@ilovesanrioandmcr2031]

Damn thats a fantastic idea

[@sisterjamie5806]

No means no- KJ

[@thestaroftheshow]

I’d rather watch that show than this horrible show

[@retrorampager5373]

Don’t be too hard on Mort, he’s just a....wtf is he?

[@marcohidalgo1101]

@@thestaroftheshow Can't believe that show has a lower rating on IMDb. :(

[@timoriwanir7516]

Everyone: 13 Reasons Why Me, an intellectual: 13 Seasons, Why?!?

[@periodjuice9051]

I think it should’ve ended after season 2. Also, is it just me or does anyone else just like NOT LIKE clay. Oh my god he’s really annoying to me.

[@nanalove3819]

Same. In season 1 he was a bit annoying but I thought it was ok, but now... I just can't.

[@fos1451]

I already don't really like him from the start

[@shanice3223]

Same I don't like him as a character as well since season 1 and as the seasons went on I disliked him more. He's very annoying and can't mind his own business.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@shanice3223 he was tryna get justice for Hannah. Wym can’t mind his business

[@Jana-fs2qf]

Justin’s character was so overlooked this season. In the end of season 3, he talks about how he was sexually abused when he was really young and when he was on the streets. I mean this is a huge deal... but no one talks about it? They act as if he didn’t exist. Not to mention his issues with drugs, dealing, and his mom’s bf. It’s not solved at all. And in season 1, they had perfect opportunities to show Bryce as ‘a human’ or show both sides to his characters. They had the chance to talk about Justin’s sexual abuse especially when his gf was being raped.

[@sodacanman3126]

I like to move it move it

[@sydstowe6163]

But they clearly only included Justin’s sexual assault to make him not be a total asshole for letting Jessica get raped

[@burgerkingimpossiblewhoppe28]

I like to move it!

[@WiloPolis03]

Throw every controversial hot topic on the wall and see what sticks

[@308AlYsSa0034]

@Al X. Andra no one said that that was an excuse for him but that they never dived deeper with that story arc .

[@wingedmirage4226]

I think the big reason why the “horrible people are still people” argument usually falls flat is because, while bad people often come from bad families, not everyone that comes from a bad family becomes a bad person. Some become VERY good people because they don’t want to put others through what they’ve been through. Saying “they became bad because of bad families” not only does a disservice to the people who became good despite their families, but it also encourages people to succumb to their poor upbringing. “It’s okay if you’re bad, you came from a bad family after all. Blame them for all your bad actions instead of blaming yourself and possibly learning to be a better person.” Yet another horrible lesson taught by this “educational” show.

[@fellinuxvi3541]

Good analysis, but I wouldn't call it "horrible people are still people". That one seems more to have more to do with compassion or not "sinking to their level", whereas the argument you describe is more in line with moral determinism, where people are believed to have no choice in the kind of person they'll become, resulting in them just being a product of circumstance.

[@fellinuxvi3541]

@TrolleyXLakers __ You bring an interesting point. People usually take the circumstances approach only in trauma, as if bad experiences automatically make you a bad person (which is an obvious strawman), but in reality, circumstances affect you in many different ways, they teach you lessons and instruct you in the way you act.

[@1999_reborn]

Winged Mirage This is a bad point. Yes, most people who come from bad families don’t become rapists. But that doesn’t make environment any less of a factor. You’ll see what I mean if I use smoking as an analogy. Most people who smoke cigarettes don’t get cancer but that doesn’t mean smoking doesn’t cause cancer. It just means that there are other genetic and environmental factors that determine whether or not the smoking will cause cancer in that specific person. First of all it’s important to note that “bad family” is an extremely broad category. Not all bad families are the same. A household with a father who molests the children is different from one where the parents are drug addicts which is different from one where your older siblings are gang members, etc... These are all “bad families” but each will influence the kids differently. So saying that you know someone who came from a bad family but didn’t become a bad person doesn’t tell us anything because every “bad family” is different. Next, people respond differently to similar environments. Why is this? Part of it is genetics and part of it is itself more environment. Someone who’s genetically more resilient will deal with abuse better than someone who isn’t. For an environmental example someone who is getting abused at home but has good friends has a better chance than someone who is getting abused at home and has no friends. And this doesn’t just apply to people who end up bad. This is also for people who end up good. Good people are just as much products of their environment as bad people. And for the people who were raised in bad environments but turned out good, there will be other factors that explain why despite having some bad influences they were still able to overcome it. An easy example is maybe you grew up in a shitty home with shitty parents and a shit education but you had a sister who cared about you a lot and was a role model and looking up to her allowed you to overcome the other bad influences. It’s a combination of different factors. I think if two people had the same genetics and exactly the same environment and life experiences, they would end up exactly the same.

[@PopfulFrost]

It also gives genuinely awful people ammunition to use against others. "Look, it's not MY fault, my mommy beat me/I was molested/I missed the ice cream man that one time!" Sad fact is, some people are just inherently no matter how good a home life they had.

[@bananasinfrench]

Agreed! Especially in fiction, when a character acts, they should ideally earn either reward or punishment. Having a bad guy, who is never convincingly redeemed, never be punished, and have the narrative treat him in a rewarding manner? That’s really frustrating for an audience. We want people to be held accountable for the good or the pain the inflict on others. It’s just bad writing

[@morenikeakinsemoyin3668]

Did you know that there has been an increase of suicide because of this show? It’s sad how this show takes on a heavy subject and just fails at it.

[@kingobama4305]

Can you demonstrate causation or are you just going to show me some stupid article?

[@Azelheart1]

because you asked www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0890856719302886 if you can write a youtube comment, you can research something for yourself

[@jholo9922]

That's weird and kinda stupid if they did it because of a show.

[@check2765]

Apparently there has been an increase in suicides as the series progressed. There have been many organizations that had to step in and state to the people writing the show that this is having fatal consequences. There will be a season 4..... oh, lord. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Reasons_Why#Controversy

[@lasarousi]

Lol.

[@fos1451]

Didn't they say that people that have depression shouldn't watch the show?

[@TomTom-wn3xn]

@@fos1451 Didn't they also say the show was supposed to help depressed people before changing it?

[@loone3100]

This sounds like a Riverdale arc, just worse in every way. And Riverdale wasn’t exactly the apex of writing and dialogue

[@athenajaxon2397]

To be fair Riverdale dosen't pretend it's important

[@vocalcalibration8033]

Riverdale, at the very least, knows what it is. This show still thinks it's important.

[@weirdguy1495]

This makes Riverdale look like Glee.

[@catendway4754]

Athena Jaxon it tried to act like it was important for the 1st season, failed, and moved all that _importantness_ into the voice of woke character Veronica

[@catendway4754]

SRS Art Productions the Asian guy from 13RW just can’t catch a break with these dumb teen dramas

[@oomay1925]

People need to stop acting like they watch the show to understand and engage with mental illness amongst teens and just admit they're only in it for the drama because it is an incredibly damaging depiction of mental illness.

[@jelicianorwood24]

More like fighting demons and their sins when all they have to do repent. Give there life to God and be delivered.

[@budakbaongsiah]

@@jelicianorwood24 "Give there life..." What?

[@shaynehughes6645]

@@jelicianorwood24 I dig it

[@YAH2121]

@@jelicianorwood24 this girl gets it

[@stonefree7973]

@@budakbaongsiah It's propaganda

[@_alex_y.not_]

The fact that the writers thought the idea that "everyone is a product of their environment" was deep is laughable.

[@MichaelHrusovsky]

Now he gets to talk about Season 4. A.K.A. “The Final Season” Yeah right. Here come the spin-offs.

[@surrexeruntofficial4029]

Your comment just reminded me of that scene from Jay and silent bob reboot. Where their in the comic book store and Jason Lee and Jason mewes are making fun of sequels, spin offs and remakes lol.

[@tsarbutterfly663]

The way they made Bryce more “rounded” makes it seem more like they’re just “romanticizing the bully”

[@Liz-mp5dq]

Even worst 'romanticizing the serial rapist'

[@TwighlightLugia]

The message of "serial rapists are people too 😔😔😔" is gonna be a yikes from me, Todd

[@BucketOfFuk]

@@TwighlightLugia It can be done well but the show did it in the worst way possible

[@deborahhorman4165]

Y

[@askinredroads5132]

*romanticizing the actual criminal

[@cidevant002]

The idea of who killed the rapist could have been a interesting one if they just throw away all pretenses of redemption with him. Just have a good old mistery in which everyone can be a suspect because he was such a horrible person that everyone has a reason. The season might not have been as controversial, but it could have been a decent one without such a shitty message in the end.

[@blackgirlmagicc]

C VR I thought it was interesting and maybe I was the only one but I kind of thought the point was that he wasn’t redeemable no matter how much you could try to make him with his story and him being “sorry” that he was just a terrible terrible person and his anger at Zach and his the world won’t let me change we’re just proof that he didn’t get it that he thought he was entitled to redemption if he just followed the right steps but failed to see that no one “deserves” redemption you don’t earn it it has to be given like throughout all the humanising scenes there we these bits where he would reveal how entitled he was and that he could never truly be sorry or be better because he thought he deserved to be forgiven I don’t know maybe it’s just me who saw that

[@hkazu63]

I’d say, if this was season 2 and not 3, it would’ve been a lot more palatable. It wouldn’t have been great, but his struggles and humanising moments would’ve been more tolerable if we hadn’t been treated to 2 seasons of him being an over the top super villain beforehand. It’s kind of too-little-too-late in both scenarios, but if he was super villain in season 1, humanised and killed in season 2, that’s more tolerable bc it means that from the start of the narrative opening up, we see other sides of him.

[@e2daron]

It would’ve been like the Simpsons episode *Who Shot Mr. Burns?*

[@DrDolan2000]

Everyone is a human being. That doesn't excuse inhumane actions "I'm trying to better, but the fucking world won't let me" How? What is holding you back?

[@Manawolfman]

"He was a human being" is such a weak excuse when you think back to human history and the absolute horrors humans have unleashed on the world and each other. Humans are F-ing terrifying, don't try to downplay the evil they commit just because it wasn't quite murder level or something.

[@joeduffy4547]

You know it's bad when Suicide Squad is being recommended over the series.

[@casper6405]

@Tum Tum even if it is Suicide squad at least tried with the characters 13RW doesn't

[@PopfulFrost]

You know it's sad when the motley crew of serial killers and career criminals is more likeable and sympathetic than a bunch of depressed teens.

[@okmeowokmeow]

Why exactly was the Suicide Squad listed under “Interesting movies that dealt with complicated characters” 😂

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

As a joke, I assume.

[@straightasacircle4915]

I'd rather see Suicide Squad for the rest of my life,if this deletes 13RW from the world

[@ScoutTrooperTK]

Complicated characters like that "dAmAgEd" Joker

[@flawedsanity]

Lmao. I was searching for someone to comment on this.

[@BabyGirlTiny]

Because the characters were complicated. You domt have to like the movie, but the characters themselves were good

[@semanticsamuel936]

Your predictions for Season 4 were pretty spot on. Clay spends most of it severely hallucinating and disassociating, and talking to a therapist. Except in the final episode he says he didn't actually see ghosts (except he did, because he thinks a dummy is real). But then it turns out he's got depression and anxiety (which while nothing to sniff at hardly describe the extent of Clay's mental health problems).

[@HECKproductions]

positive ratings for season 1 are between 80 and 90% more than deserved IMO but ok for season 2 its about 50% and for seasons three it was 12% last i checked i found that funny as hell

[@fos1451]

I don't really like it from the start tbh

[@cartmann94]

13 Reasons Why Season 4: All kids will be trapped in high school and a mastermind behind a killer bear will force them to kill each other.

[@bhamber2641]

Please. I need more Danganronpa.

[@AGJ117]

The mastermind would be Clay being manipulated by Hannah's ghost.

[@c0rruptzie]

I wonder what the executions would be like 👀

[@trulyamateuranxiety]

Oh I Wish

[@toastcrumch]

Danganronpa: V13 trigger happy Hannah

[@MB-sf2wd]

this is probably the worst show i have ever seen in my life. it's absolutely atrocious. they just take every controversial topic or social issue that exists and throw it in there to be dealt with by a group of terribly unlikable asshole teens (except zach. zach is cool) without justification, nuance, something to say, or purpose. the story is awful and makes no sense. the acting is hilarious, especially from mr one-face clay. it's pandering. it's offensive. it's cringey and embarrassing. there's literally not a single thing good about it.... i fucking love it and can't wait for season four.

[@mronion597]

Bro do u hate season 3 or all the seasons?

[@MB-sf2wd]

@@mronion597 all of them. the first one was terrible, but at least i can say it was its own self-contained story. until of course they dragged it on to get more money. three was definitely the most boring, though

[@jarrodedson5441]

@@MB-sf2wd I don't disagree it's such a bad show

[@FidoeFTW]

@@MB-sf2wd I agree with your point about Zach. He's the ONLY person in S3 that suggested calling the cops on Tyler for almost columbining them all. Then Clay has the nerve to say "how dare you Zach, this is what you wanted to do all along"

[@killlerkai18]

Riverdale's about ten times worse than 13 Reasons

[@justamanofculture12]

*2030:* "13 seasons why???"

[@henrickspuitz8081]

“13 reasons why I met your mother” Is the next epic cinematic universe Line up crossover