13 Reasons Why I HATE 13 Reasons Why (Season 2)

IHE starts the conversation on what he dislikes so much about the controversial Netflix series 13 Reasons Why.
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[@boomoo2018]

Katherine Langford actually said that she wanted to stop playing Hannah after season 1 because she felt that her story was over. But Netflix was like: *NO* .

[@definitelynottommywiseau3037]

BUT KATHERINE. IT'S SO WE CAN START A CONVERSATION.

[@RandomSkyeRoses]

@@definitelynottommywiseau3037 The writers don't care about teens, they just want to exploit them for money

[@rachie2456]

@@definitelynottommywiseau3037 "sTarT a cOnVeRSatIon"

[@mariogamefreak1]

BOOMOO 201 it was based on a 200 page book they should of ended it in season 1 or make it a movie like it should of been

[@elijahoye8216]

The whole thing should have ended in season 1 and season 2,3 could’ve been a completely different show, it would have still made for good television

[@pjnlol8516]

Hanna: “get out “ Clay: * gets out * Also Hanna but on the tape : “ he left me “

[@gabrielcaro]

Nuh Hax Bru *PewDiePie is on your side, he found it very unbelievable.*

[@captainmadoli4498]

Nuh Hax Bru know one knows what your on about

[@wigglyturdman250]

@@captainmadoli4498 He's talking about The Poop Situation didn't you follow?

[@zanemob1429]

Welcome to women.

[@wowwwws]

hannah was legit pushing every person who tried to help her or tried to be nice with her and she got sad about the fact that they didn't want to conversate with her when she was the one that didn't want their help to begin with. for example the principal tried to talk to her in the i think last episode of season one and she didn't want his help yet when she was walking out of the school she says no one was following her to stop her. wtf no one came after you because you did not care for anyone trying to help you.

[@fluffyhusky9120]

this show is also the reason every girl in my school thinks it's cool to be depressed/suicidal *thanks 13 reasons why for basically shutting out anyone who actually has a mental health issue for people who fake it to be trendy*

[@vivannet231]

Basically all the fans. Act like they care and know so much about mental illnesses

[@definitelynottommywiseau3037]

but it's all about STArTinG a COnversATiOn!

[@madwildocean03]

ugh, agreed. It's chaotic where I live. Some girls here literally draw red lines on their wrists and post it all over snapchat like seriously, have some respect for people actually suffering from a mental illness

[@karaokekid9025]

shadow 626 lmfao my life story 😒

[@justwhy7449]

I agree with the first part but no one shuts anyone out who says they have a mental illness, fake or not. That's the reason people are able to fake it, they can just say "I'm depressed" and everyone will treat it serious.

[@MaleTears]

The whole "teen girl dies and the whole town and it's seedy underbelly falls apart" thing was done so much better in Twin Peaks. In that show, Laura Palmer was a sweetheart that had a bunch of problems in her life and her murder affected people because of her positive impact. 13 Reasons Why is built entirely on selfishness and stupidity.

[@casper6405]

Male Tears twin peaks is a gem Don't you dare compare it to this garbage

[@ryanpurplenintendoeater9869]

Degrassi did it good too

[@gremlyn1658]

Veronica Mars S1 too

[@dfquartzidn6151]

What truly bothered me was the fact that, Hannah didn’t know which types of boys to avoid during high-school and she never closed her windows at night despite knowing she lived in a town full of toxic people; and somehow coming across as this somewhat intelligent girl!

[@gremlyn1658]

@@dfquartzidn6151 we shouldn't pin it on Hannah who she should have avoided. Boys like Bryce shouldn't act like garbage humans regardless of who avoids them or not.

[@nate.draws.things]

"Lucky, my scars are all on the inside." I've never cringed so hard in my life. Jesus Christ.

[@pinkyless]

Nate Hladki I’m really shitty at reading and I thought that you were quoting Jesus Christ for a second.

[@theworldoverheavan560]

@IchGebMeinenSenfDazu lol

[@mahfew326]

IchGebMeinenSenfDazu Haha interestingly enough I think John 6:66 is a verse that says people think Jesus is crazy and leave him

[@oddeyes9413]

You too?

[@TdogplaysCOD]

“WAKE ME UP INSIDE”

[@calvinlee8103]

This show might as well be called "Suicide: That'll Show 'Em!"

[@logannottheonefrommarvel9917]

Calvin Lee. Or "Suicide Squad" is that name taken?

[@calvinlee8103]

I get it; because it's awful, like suicide squad.

[@aarOuOn]

I mean, the whole point of season 2 was to show that her suicide was the wrong choice

[@calvinlee8103]

Aaron Z - I have only seen season one, so I am completely ignorant about season 2. But I thought season 1 was bad, and even dangerous. It was basically telling kids that if they commit suicide, everyone will be thinking about them, talking about them, and all the people who've wronged them will suffer just like they did. That message is *extremely* appealing to depressed/suicidal kids, and that makes it an incredibly dangerous show.

[@its_elkku135]

And that's the biggest problem with it.

[@racecarsinc]

My wife was watching season 3. There’s literally a scene where Bryce does yoga with his mom for 5 minutes. I just got up and left..

[@daddymohua5921]

Oh hell no-

[@Xehanort10]

While watching Pretty Much It's commentary of Season 3 I found that scene creepy because it looked like Bryce's mother was about to have sex with him and I thought they'd pull cliche "He was molested by his mother and that's why he's a rapist" shit. He was a rapist because he was a spoiled brat who thought being rich and on a football team meant he could get away with anything.

[@laurocoman]

They tried to redeem a serial rapist.

[@keiwandeviant9145]

Listen they tried to show you more of Bryce then just him being a rapist Then allows you to think if he could have gotten better At least that's what they were trying to fo

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

@@Xehanort10 that's your opinion. Me and most of the viewers never thought about him having sex with his mother. Maybe your to spoiled

[@plastic-death]

One of my friends back in the day was obsessed with this show. She'd say "It's so cool, it's about suicide and killing yourself!" And once I even heard her "jokingly" saying "They make it look fun." She was 11.

[@RandomSkyeRoses]

@Masanit Your friend needs help

[@reptilprinceoflizardpeople5797]

That terrifies me. Not many things scare me, but this does. Suicide? Cool? An eleven year old? This is horrible. No, I'd go so far to say it's DANGEROUS. A hazard to humanity.

[@asmafatima-kat8403]

I-

[@dabestyoutube5433]

Well thats genuinely depressing

[@Superayy]

That's a big fucking *YIKES* from me pal

[@DrWub]

If they cancel Shrek 5 it'll become 14 reasons why.

[@pblushh]

Dr . Wub no dont say that you cant stop jesus

[@ahmedadem2227]

Despacito 2 is coming out so that's technically 0 reasons why amirite

[@fernandoperez5847]

They***

[@baggin.]

Dr . Wub is that real?

[@Ada242]

SO SAYS THE USER OF THE SANWITCH AVATAR

[@leedraconis5793]

His name is clay because the writers are morphing him into whatever idiot they need in the moment.

[@lamb.]

Liam Vic clever

[@user-nf3hh8kn5r]

Liam Vic lmaooo

[@leedraconis5793]

Quartermaster lmao I read the book mate.

[@smashpow]

OH SHIT

[@aidenshandler7801]

I like you

[@user-vh1pn9ks6v]

Personally, I found Hannah herself very unlikeable, mainly because she's a real hypocrite. She goes on and on about "bullying" and how mean everyone is to her, and it's mostly exaggerated - I mean, come on, she wants to kill herself bc Zach steals a few notes from her (E7)? The thing is: If she feels petty things like that affect people so much, then why is she doing similar (and worse) things herself? E.g. her *constant* jokes about Clay being nerdy. Or way worse, witnessing another girl's rape, doing nothing about it and then making the story about that rape available for possibly the whole world to hear on the tapes. Or making Clay, who - in her own words, "doesn't belong on the tapes" - fear and quiver about what he could possibly have done until he gets to hear his tape. ... The list could go on forever. Hannah also expected everyone else to read her mind and made everything about herself, which was incredibly annoying. Examples: When she told Clay to "get the fuck out", he gets the fuck out, and got his own tape for not reading her thoughts (E11), or the scene in E13 where she wanted Mr. Porter to mysteriously know what's on her mind and follow her.

[@l0velycry452]

I read the book back when it first came out and vehemently hated it for all the reasons you’ve stated. It’s disgusting victim complexing and trash, so I stayed far far away from the show

[@rinabea3863]

I thought i was the only one but you described what I was thinking the whole show . Watching someone get raped not doing anything, then making you rape as shook moment was so hypocritical to me ..

[@gaesimp__]

Exactly

[@shonaalannah]

minus the rape, her reasonings were so miniscule, and having her kill herself due to them was so irresponsible and dangerous. It didn't start a conversation, it had the potential (I haven't seen if it actually has) to cause more suicide attempts over other miniscule things because not everyone watching a show like this has a stable mental state, and most are impressionable. The same way in S3 they try and get the audience to forgive Bryce, all because he was going to change, like it's so toxic and irresponsible. I had a girl ask me "Have you never made a mistake?" regarding the Bryce topic, after I said the plot was wrong to redeem him, and I just- 13rw really taught it's audience that serial rape was a mistake. I'm so angry that this show exists, and that the way people defend it is by calling mentally ill or victims 'sensitive' because they're actually concerned for people's mental health and wellbeing. It's just another production profiting off dramatising and glamorizing mental illness and trauma. S4 really fucked everyone's characters because the creators literally don't give a fuck about them.

[@jakechinn6561]

Oh yeah, I found it really hard to like Hannah at all. She screwed up several people who didn't even do anything wrong. What one stopped talking to you (Jessica), another got embarrassed when you did a blatantly stupid thing (Zach) and the other left when you told them to (Clay)? Better screw up their lives and mental well being by leaving vindictive tapes blaming a literal death on their laughably minor actions. It's the old suicide note thing. People only really leave them either to reassure certain people it wasn't their fault or to hurt those who wronged them (Generally disproportionately hurting those who cared about them the most) Hannah is at the latter of the two which is and always will be just a dick move.

[@morgiewthelord8648]

I think this show was actually very dangerous. There was a sexual assault with a broomstick that... took inspiration from the show. It happened at a school near my city

[@Curto971]

Of course there was. It makes me so sad that I’m not even that surprised.

[@skeleletonboi4533]

shit man, I honestly wish I was suprised

[@jiminjams52]

I remember I had come back from the hospital, was home, having lunch and when it came up, I couldn’t eat anymore. It was so graphic and disgusting...I had nightmares bout it for days, couldn’t eat for weeks. And to know that this show cause someone to be inspired to assault another human irl is disgusting. I hated this show but now I can’t stop but hating it more.

[@akithefull]

@@jiminjams52 I hate this show for reasons cuz it's just bullshit, but I don't agree with the whole inspiring thing. if someone's gonna rape someone they gon do it, I don't mind the graphic shit in this show, I find it quite amusing, what I don't like is the whole Hannah bitch telling clay to fuck off and then crying cuz he left and killing herself like a little bitch. If someones gonna kill themself it's their choice but if it takes a dumb show for you to do it then you're a Fucking idiot.

[@wordexclaimed7364]

That attack wasn’t inspired by the show... they might have said that it was but this has been done repeatedly amongst males... it’s a very vile attack but 13RW did not come up with this.

[@grayalien48]

I'm going to point out that Teen Titans (2003) handles it's sensitive subjects better, it's written for 7-12 year Olds. and has way more rounded characters.

[@returnedtomonkey8886]

Well difference îs the titans only had one another. They were all freaks in a way. (I like to mention I haven't watched 13 reasons why)

[@Hammerhead547]

DiGrassi JR high handled all of these topics and won awards for it 20+ years ago, but then agian those writers actually had talent while the hacks behind 13RW are idiots who should be ashamed of themselves.

[@drizzfizzpt2578]

fuck yeah man 🤘🏾

[@robin3746]

And it was actually interesting

[@dabestyoutube5433]

Hell most kids shows from did better than this one story wose

[@idoajda4920]

Hannah: im so lonely Clay: hey Hannah: leave me alone

[@CatBeenToHell]

to be fair that's one of few connective things about her being suicidal. people who suffer from mental health issues will often push others/potential help away because shit like depression makes you believe that you either don't deserve it, or makes you behave self-destructively in other ways. overallshowstillshittho.

[@rouk2621]

@@CatBeenToHell no, depressive people won't let push you away instantly. In an emotional way you're right, but it's not like depressive people don't have friends

[@shirunda9190]

@@rouk2621 but they think that ther frends secretlie hate them or make Fun of them

[@sugariedreams2707]

@@shirunda9190 But if that's the case either way it doesn't justify them expecting you to stay and blaming you for not doing so, especially if you don't give insight on your illness.

[@kiwiblast8942]

conrgrats!!! you just explained everyone who fakes mental illness!

[@madelinemiller4839]

the thing about hannah’s ghost being there makes it seem like after you commit suicide that you can come back. once you’re gone, you’re gone. this is coming from a suicide attempt survivor. i watched this show when i was in a really, really bad place. it did NOT help. it is one of the worst representations of being suicidal that i have ever seen. sometimes you don’t have rational reasons for being suicidal. i watched this show and wondered why i was even suicidal. it made me feel like i should have a reason, and like i wasn’t damaged enough to be suicidal. this show is probably the worst show i have ever seen. fuck 13 reasons why.

[@rangerstationlegion]

Thats a great point. I'm sorry you went through all that. Fuck this show

[@jitsarker6398]

rangerstationlegion ong this shows is messed up

[@roxannahendrixkson6778]

Stop blaming the show warns you if your no in a good place right now don't fucking watch it

[@roxannahendrixkson6778]

Stop blaming the show. The show warns you. If your not in a good place right now don't fucking watch it.

[@Monie71793]

Omg, that's not even what happened. Clay is hallucinating. She's not a ghost.

[@Quoth1the2Raven]

One of Hannah's tapes encouraged people to throw rocks through Tylers window, bully him, and just caused all of the events that escalated into him being a potential school shooter, while all the other people on the tapes had each other and all their other friends to rely on and keep them from talking about the tapes. I'm not saying any of that excuses him stalking her, but it just reinforced my theory that she made the tapes for revenge more than anything else. To me it just seemed like the tapes and the suicide were forms of revenge for her. The show doesn't feel like it portrays mental illness well at all. Clays parents are told about his hallucinations and they literally did nothing about it. They made the school counselor out to be "useless" and "at fault" because Hannah refused to talk to him but expected him to run after her. Hannah is an awful character. She had an awful personality. That doesn't mean she deserved the bullying or what Bryce did to her, but those tapes were nothing but pure revenge.

[@Xehanort10]

Hannah: I was bullied and raped? Better make sure other people get bullied too because if I have to suffer everyone will.

[@starbolt293]

Hannah is just a bad person. No one should ever feel like they have to kill themselves, but it makes it hard to feel bad when the person that died was such an asshole

[@akithefull]

@@Xehanort10 It's the "if I go down, I'm taking you all with me" mentality, tbh if you were about to die, wouldn't you want to cause some chaos? I'm damn sure I'd be up for that, idk why people are against revenge, I find it the best option.

[@Xehanort10]

@@akithefull Revenge is about making sure people don't go unpunished for wronging you and making sure they don't do it to anyone else. Apart from Bryce the people Hannah mentioned on the tapes had little to nothing to do with her eventually killing herself.

[@akithefull]

@@Xehanort10 agreed, but if the chick was about to kill herself, why not ruin as many lives as she can, you can't lose anything since you're gonna die, so why not ruin everyone else?

[@kukicu]

"You don't have to have the same ridiculous backstory as Hannah Baker to feel suicidal." This summarises my problem with the show. Feeling suicidal can much less rational than that, and presenting this case as the case to start a discussion is just creating guilt for people who feel suicidal without much reason. Our brain is not always rational, especially when feeling depressed and suicidal. Just go and see the Ted talk on this.

[@bloop5337]

kukicu YES! It reminds me of the dumb argument, “what do u have to be depressed about?” As if mental illness is a competition...like yes ur life can be be decent and u can still be affected by mental illness

[@adriannaa545]

Exactly! I know a lot of people who are clinically depressed, but have loving families and supportive friends. This show is making it seem like depression has to be triggered by something when it doesn't. You can be depressed and have a really good life. Sometimes depression just happens and your mental state can't handle certain aspects of regular day to day things such as school and work. This is essentially telling kids, "you're not bullied or have never been sexually raped? Then you have no real reason to be depressed." Like, people don't need a reason to be suicidal, sometimes people can't help the fact that they are more prone to depression.

[@chevywoods6084]

I couldn’t agree more, it says a lot that people who have a really good life are often depressed where people who don’t have much are actually satisfied with life. There are so many factors that go into why someone feels a certain way and this show just misinterpreted everything about mental illness etc

[@okay3666]

I’ve had suicidal thoughts and I haven’t witnessed my friend been raped, been raped, or bullied. Nothing has happened to me like what happened to Hannah and I still have mental health issues.My life is pretty boring in fact and I hate that Hannah’s backstory is so excessive and dramatic. Things like that can happen to people, but you don’t need all that to be depressed.

[@turnersgauge3430]

I completely agree. My shitty brainwashed sjw sister thinks she’s such a “mental health” advocate or a “lgbt” advocate, but when I try to start the hard convo of me coming out or admitting that I’ve been suicidal and wanted to talk to her about it, she just brushes it off like “yOu CaNt bE DePrEssed cuz U lived a GOOD LIFE” or she roles her eyes when I say I go either way.

[@mikailre5959]

What bothered me the most was that Hannah “came back” and interfered with Clay’s life. When someone is dead. They.are.dead. They’re not coming back. Sorry but every time she appeared I was annoyed

[@jackvalentino2125]

With your opinion in mind, I'd love to hear what your thoughts are on a show called 'Six Feet Under'. The show explicitly deals with mortality and death, and has some characters who are dead; imagined by the main cast.

[@mikailre5959]

Jack Valentino I just don’t like it when it is made that dead people “comes back”. It makes no sense

[@jackvalentino2125]

@@mikailre5959 Totally fair call; I personally feel Six Feet Under does it remarkably well

[@SSBGogetaFTW]

Well to be honest, it's pretty much a way to have Clay arguing with himself more. Dear Evan Hansen does the same thing with Connor Murphy but infinitely better and makes it clear it's in Evan's head. It's implied that Clay has schizophrenia but none of his symptoms while hallucinating really lines up with what hallucinating is actually like, so I totally get the hate. I got extremely annoyed too.

[@sanddbaggvv]

from a narrative standpoint?

[@Revan-ek3su]

"All my scars are inside" auUGHHHHHH. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHH.

[@Xehanort10]

"Crawling In My Skin plays."

[@hansruhlmann454]

God, what a pretentiously obnoxiously gag-worth line!

[@joeymalaria4702]

Oh the edge

[@randomguy6679]

Sweet sweet EDGE

[@Dreigonix]

That would be amusing if the context didn’t make it so joylessly awful.

[@lil-mj5ed]

that one girl who burned the evidence of bryce at the end made me want to scream. i don't know what trauma you could have gone through to let a literal rapist get away with everything he did, to make all of the other girls live with it for the rest of their lives. if she didn't want them to know about her, she could have just taken her polaroid out.

[@alex_n215]

I know this comment is a year old but I have to also agree. Like she doesn’t feel comfortable sharing her story but what gives her the right to take away anyone else’s?

[@memeweirdguyn.0019]

Is like "fuck everyone else that suffered because of him if I don't want to share my story nobody will!"

[@pikachupikachu9701]

I know right

[@jamescarr1265]

Lmao that was the only realistic part of the show to me, it felt like something a petty teenager would do. The fact they conveniently had photos of rape with evidence was ridiculous though.

[@dees4408]

Teens watch one episode of '13 reasons why' and suddenly they're psychologists

[@kakoulaki7704]

Soggy Mcmoistcakes exactly

[@TommyDeonauthsArchives]

Soggy Mcmoistcakes Can we have "I HATE RIVERDALE"?

[@rand0md00d3]

yes please!

[@memes._.6388]

“Sweetie, you can talk to me. I know about these things ☺️☺️☺️”

[@SpanishDuck]

"Are you sad? Don't worry you just need to watch 13 reasons why!"

[@Daniel_Schmaniel]

When I was a kid in middle school, I was badly bullied. It got so terrible that at one point the powers that be decided that they needed to do something about it, being just a year after the Columbine Shooting. They sent the school nurse to my class and called me out. While I was outside the classroom she told the class that if they did not stop bullying me I would shoot up the school one day. This understandably was a bad idea. The bullying got so much worse after that, with me constantly getting asked if I was going to shoot up the school. It was truly horrible and the terrible events that happened afterwards where I was falsely accused of saying something threatening because of a sarcastic response I gave to that repeated question. Although I was later cleared, it came very close to ruining my life forever. This show promotes the same viewpoint that the nurse had. It does not increase awareness but rather it turns victims into targets for even more judgement and ridicule. It paints them as a potential enemy and ostracizes them from the help that they clearly need.

[@orusinanga4277]

I can relate to that WAY TO DAMN MUCH.(Yes I know that rn my pfp is of Dylan Klebold, but it's irrelevent) I was picked on a little bit freshman year, and then some wiseguy decides to make a joke or two about me being a school-shooter or a terrorist. After he made a few jokes people decided to spread the rumor that I'll actually kill a bunch of people(it being a largely Black and Hispanic school did not help my case) till I started going to the office for disruption in classes cause people couldn't stop joking about me shooting them, then the problem just grew and grew. One suspension turned into two, three, and more, the students their also got more creative and started blaming vandalism and destruction of school property on me. Unfortunately for me, this resulted in leaving me with two options: leave the school and become home-schooled, or:stay in public school and not pass any classes given to me and suffer bullying and false accusations to the point where I'll never leave the office again. I chose to leave and drop out, now my social life is going down the drain. It does help my mood to see that I'm not exactly alone, and I'm glad you managed to live through it.

[@Daniel_Schmaniel]

Yeah, sorry to hear that happened to you, and I am glad that hearing my story helped. Being homeschooled doesn't mean you have to give up social life forever though. There are homeschool groups that meet up your parents can help you get involved in. Honestly though once you graduate high school, get out of your hometown for college if you can. Trust me, it can make a big difference on your perspective.

[@StardustLegend]

What the actual fuck,

[@TheAnantaSesa]

orus inanga; i think of a stanza by eminem “i am whatever you say i am”. They almost made a school shooter out of you and would have deserved it. Of course i cant believe everyone was involved though and it seems like most shooters just kill whoever is there instead of going after a hit list of scum the earth is better off w out.

[@bigbosscheese60]

If i were you i would have mentally tortured them with the most quite and relaxing voice as possible and sacrificed them and send their disgusting souls to hell.

[@deliverymanq7333]

13 reasons why is disgusting. It basically glorifys suicide as something almost sacrificial

[@alexandrabrown068]

I don’t get why people say that, I can’t think of a single scene that portrayed suicide as a good thing

[@deliverymanq7333]

@@alexandrabrown068 i didnt say they portray it as a good thing. I said They glorify it. like Hannah was making a sacrifice, its tragic but only thing she could do. I havent watched the show but i did read a good bit of the book. In the book Hannah PURPOSELY puts herself in a position where she would get raped so that she could hate herself enough to take her life. After reading that I threw the book in the garbage.

[@TmasterinoYT]

​@@alexandrabrown068 To portray suicide as a good thing you do not need to stare at the camera and say those exact words. Psychologists told the creatores to avoid certain things in a piece of media focused on suicide, but they ignored it all, hence all the backlash. First off, the whole concept of the show is a weaponization of suicide, showing a girl killing herself to get revenge on those who did her wrong. This TV show shows suicide as a revenge mechanism instead of a desesperate attempt to end pain. The pure concept of the show is already disrespecting two of the rules set by psychologists. Do not glorify suicide or show the suicide message, if there is one. Even worse than that, the show also brought Hannah back from the dead as an hallucination so that she could see the damage she caused on those around her. That does not happen when you kill yourself. You cannot see the impact of your suicide. You are dead and you do not comeback. Second off, showing Hannah slitting her wrists for pure shock value was one of the worst decisions ever made. Psychologists warned the creatores that, if possible, they shouldn't even tell the way she killed herself, but the show went one step ahead of that and showed her on the act with some of the most graphic and disturbing images I have ever seen. The whole show keeps saying that mental ilnesses do not define you, yet most of the characters are defined by their mental illness. When you put a serious and real theme, such as suicide and insert it in a fake setting, such as a high school teen drama, with fake characters, people will not relate to them and will likely feel more alone than they felt before watching the show. This problem of fake settings and characters can be seen in Hannah, that is the absolute opposite of what a suicidal person should be, and she is portrayed in the absolute opposite way that she should be. First off, her character is absolutely defined by her mental illness, because that's her function for the plot and nothing more, again, portraying people as nothing more than their mental illness is glorifying it. She is hypocritical as hell, narcistic and a total drama queen for the whole show. She complains about bullying all the time in the show, although (through the tapes) she bullies two people into suicide attempts (Clay and Alex). These two people who treated her very well throughout the show, especially Clay, who did nothing more than leave when she told him to. Also Hannah let her friend Jessica be raped and did absolutely nothing about it, not during it and not after it, which is so fucking stupid. She blames everyone for what happened but herself. And yes, Bryce raped her, but the decision to commit suicide is yours and yours only. You cannot blame other people for your decision and doing it through tapes the way she did is the most disgusting thing ever. She killed herself to get revenge and haunt some very nice people for the rest of their lives because of something they did as teenagers, while others did not do nothing at all, such as Clay or the school psychiatrist. You can't possibly wait that people relate to a character if you make her this hypocritical and awful to everyone. I hope I explained to you some of the ways this show encourages suicide, through it's glorification, weaponization and romanticization of suicide. TO ANYONE ELSE READING THIS, DO NOT WATCH THIS SHOW. WHETHER YOU ARE OR NOT SUFFERING FROM SOME KIND OF MENTAL ILLNESS, THIS SHOW IS EXTREMELY DANGEREROUS AND YOU SHOULD NOT WATCH IT.

[@alexandrabrown068]

Delivery man Q / How did Hannah make it seem like she was a sacrifice? And how is showing exactly what suicide is like glorifying it? I know the book is different but there’s a reason they changed it in the show, so how is the show problematic with it?

[@deliverymanq7333]

@@alexandrabrown068 the author made it seems like it was a sacrifice is what im saying

[@lil-mj5ed]

why do none of them go to therapy?

[@lilscenechick1995]

Good question. For a show about "raising awareness" they do NOTHING to portray healthy coping mechanisms.

[@robinmattheussen2395]

To be fair, going to therapy is a very difficult step for many people, even for these who are at their wit's end. But it definitely could have been a subject this show tackled. Not edgy enough though, so they skipped that. Instead, here's a link to some shitty website.

[@randomguy6679]

Because of their sick sick EDGE. This ain't your daddies high school show! (Someone kill me now)

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

Clay did before S1 and Alex in S2. S4 will add a therapist in the main cast. Just saying

[@alexandrabrown068]

They do. Clay, Tyler, Bryce, Alex and I’m pretty sure Jessica did. It’s also an important point that irl sometimes people fail to get therapy when they should so that only causes more problems. They’re being realistic.

[@TemmiePlays]

The line that killed me was the Principal of the school saying " I've never met a woman in my life that hasn't been sexually assaulted or harassed " ....what?

[@Persona6Blue]

....What? Well that's an interesting generalization.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

some people define sexual harassment as "any unwanted touching" which means that anyone who has been shoulder bumped as they pass someone is a victim of sexual harrassment

[@eu100eueu]

lets start a conversation

[@AmberSloatpoto]

Wait the principal didn't say that ?

[@vixxcelacea2778]

Sexual harassment includes being told inappropriate comments of a sexual nature that are unwanted. To me, I'd only define myself as being sexually harassed if AFTER I told the person to stop and they didn't, they groped my body unsolicited, they molest or rape me. All I'd say are sexual harassment.

[@KookiesNolly]

Apparently, Netflix contacted a psychologist who knows a lot more about suicide prevention than they do, and he advised them to make some drastic changes about the story before releasing the first season but Netflix made him understand that they didn't want to make all those changes. Suicide prevention centers specifically stated that the way this show portrays suicide as a revenge will inspire many depressed teenagers to kill themselves in the same fashion. And indeed, many teenagers did. This show is the embodiment of "wokeness". Self-absorbed pricks pretending that they care about an issue just so people will give them a pat on the back even though they are actually causing more harm than good. it doesn't matter that others are feeling really bad as long as you can make yourself feel good.

[@BumbleCrumble1072]

A tale as old as time

[@otterno.1128]

Why does no one realise that it’s based on a book... no one ever seems to bring it up. Netflix didn’t write the base story.

[@AP011Y0N]

Ok

[@gred9431]

*Y E S*

[@KookiesNolly]

NewBenCity For the sake of argument I'm going to pretend that the show is just a pure copy of the book. Netflix could have listened to the psychologist who told them that there were many problems with their adaptation. Just because they didn't write the base story doesn't mean they are immune from criticism for willingly making a show that is very harmful for their very target audience. NO one obliged them to adapt the book. Also, changing elements from the book is not a sacrilege that would doom their souls for eternity. saying 'the book is like that" doesn't excuse the fact that they deliberately made a harmful show just for money, especially when they pretend that their end goal is to help the very people the show is harming. There were definitely a lot more viewers than readers of 13RW, and visual media has a lot more impact, therefore,​ the show had a strong impact on many more people. Furthermore, your point isn't even relevant because there are things that they changed from the book just for shock value. Hannah doesn't graphically cut her wrists in the book. Suicide prevention centers recommend not to show graphic portrayal of suicide as it usually inspires suicidal people and triggers them. The book portrayed her suicide in a more adequate way. This change clearly shows that the makers of the show didn't even bother looking up the stuff they were trying to "start a conversation" about, they just wanted shock value for money.

[@nooffencebut8175]

The characters don’t have personalities, their personalities are their disorders.

[@lily-cq2cu]

My boyfriend almost killed himself. He was battling depression and they act like having depression is cool and trendy. They think they are battling the problem but are fueling the problem.

[@Xehanort10]

All the kids and teenagers who think being depressed is "quirky" and "relatable" don't help either.

[@patrickmahomesthegoat180]

Explain to me where they TALK about depression being cool and trendy.

[@lily-cq2cu]

@@patrickmahomesthegoat180 It’s a teenage comedy about this shit.

[@patrickmahomesthegoat180]

@@lily-cq2cu where do they laugh about suicide? Season and episode and time please

[@lily-cq2cu]

@@patrickmahomesthegoat180 when did I say that in the comment. Sentence and word please

[@alexandrajones2033]

I tried to start the conversation with my boyfriend. I told him 13 reasons why is stupid. He said I don't know why you're telling me this. I said because I'm starting the conversation dammit

[@shithappens9291]

Alexandra Jones this made me chuckle thanks 😂😂

[@mewmew9762]

Lmao

[@user-xd2ty3ut7w]

cACKLED

[@mocacola]

I'm proud of you

[@user-yq5ky9ub2b]

Kekekeke

[@Kibtea]

13 reasons why acts like theyre really helping someone by showing extreme graphic sexual assault and suicide. people always say "if it triggers you just dont watch it!", but if the people the show is trying to "help" cant even watch the show, its obviously not helping.

[@hopesy12u4]

Rachel Rayburn it didn't target people who needed help. It targeted people who didn't, so that they could think more on their actions and how it affects the people around them. I'm not saying it's perfect. But it has, as funny as it may sound, started conversations. A study by Northwestern university has showed that many people reached out to those who they may have hurt and apologized. It gets way more hate than it deserves if you ask me. It's just a show.

[@shaneyy__]

john smith the creators aren’t making a “show”, they’re “trying to start a conversation”. It’s offensive. It’s trying way too hard to act like it’s some “big brainy boi” and tries to claim that it’s above every other TV show on Netflix. It’s delusional. It tries way too hard to claim that it’s some white knight acting for the greater good.

[@armonnewsom1187]

@@shaneyy__ The show has "started conversations" in fact like this entire video and comment section.

[@shaneyy__]

Person Person a toxic “conversation” that has only led to pissed off people who actually have taste and understand what these issues are actually like. This show is the literal embodiment of ignorance.

[@armonnewsom1187]

@@shaneyy__ If you think the only conversation being had is people being upset and not ones of suicide prevention then you are the ignorant one.

[@Ocrilat]

The hypocrisy of the series is maddening. Season 1 is about how Hannah's suicide is everyone's fault (everyone, of course, except for Hannah). Season 2 is about the mother of Hannah, who didn't see the signs of her daughter's suicide, suing the school for not seeing the signs of her daughter's suicide.

[@Akira-dc7is]

Ikr. Literally there are flashbacks of her ignoring and insulting hannah casually. She is the mother for God's sake. The school has to look after 100s of kids you just had your own daughter.

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

Hannah depression wasn't even that well handled. Not even near decent

[@goingunder2548]

Someone said that the only thing Americans love more than guns is suing over every little thing, and holy shit that's accurate. Seriously what's with these American shows and suing being the first thing a character does when something goes wrong? Especially over something as vague and intangible as the motivations of a teenager's suicide

[@tolerantindividual1126]

And then season 3 just pretends Hannah baker never happened... lol

[@snowblind8572]

Hannah who?

[@Xehanort10]

And replaced her with some random called Ani.

[@andreasmeelie1889]

Lol, how?!😂

[@andreasmeelie1889]

Xehanort10 what did she do and why was she the replacement?

[@Xehanort10]

@@andreasmeelie1889 She got into a relationship with Bryce despite knowing he was a rapist and thought him being a human being justified him raping people. And despite only being introduced in that season she somehow knew everyone and was treated as if she'd always been there.

[@KuWota2k]

it's more ironic how most of the people who watch "13 reasons why" are mostly the same type of people who would bully their schoolmates just like in the show.

[@KenjiAsakura09]

ahh the irony~

[@Zvwry]

Gigantis uh how do you know that?

[@madsin6516]

You're basically denouncing people for no reason, why? Good assumption.

[@jaredtherock5692]

Actually, you're absolutely right. I noticed a lot of assholes like the show.

[@skizzlechizzle]

Tommy Wilson He said that MOST people are. He didn’t say that everyone who watches it could be a piece of crap. And he’s probably right anyway, 99% of the people who I know watch this show are bullies who get all confused when someone calls them about it.

[@Tyto451]

Why are depressed and suicidal people always portrayed as attractive middle class teenagers in these types of shows?

[@wackywally69420]

Owl the Commentator idk. I need at least one story with someone with more interesting problems. Not saying she can't have depression, but they try to make it seem like her depression comes from having a "tough life". It's dumb

[@itsyourboyluca1455]

Because they are most of the time, poor unattractive people can’t afford to depressed

[@victuss1413]

statistically, middle to upper class people are more likely to commit suicide.

[@jackcarver5412]

When is the last time you saw an unattractive actor in anything.

[@YatsuoNobu]

Jack Carver For real. It's Not Like it's impossible or anything. Mostly, people who commit suicide are upper class.

[@charleswinters7285]

They did handle the abortion discussion terribly

[@laurocoman]

Why? I didn't watch it, was it that bad?

[@ofclown9458]

@@laurocoman just imagine the show offending pro choice and pro life people at the same time and there you go

[@alexandrabrown068]

OF clown / what did they do to offend pro choice ppl? Cause I’m pro life and obviously saw it as offensive but it seemed to be pro choicers would love what they did with it

[@icloud5235]

Alexandra Brown I’m pro choice but I thought it was offensive because it delivered like a personal attack on pro-lifers, which does nothing but stir up anger on both sides. I felt uncomfortable with the way they portrayed pro-lifers as The Bad Guys™, like they‘re anti-choice and nothing else, because obviously the abortion debate is a lot more nuanced than that. Most pro-life advocates I’ve met aren’t driven by a desire to control women but by a genuine concern for human life and I feel like the show isn’t interested in portraying both sides of the matter sensitively and objectively. It’s an arrogant decision on the writers’ part. They intentionally, blatantly antagonized the pro-life movement and diminished it into basically a cartoon villain, and in doing so, made the pro-choice movement look like the jerks in real life. There are no villains and it’s irresponsible of them to insinuate that.

[@alexandrabrown068]

I Cloud / Totally agree. You’re the first pro choice person I’ve met that says they realize that pro lifers aren’t just a bunch of ppl looking to control women’s bodies and that it’s actually about the child. Now statically I’m sure there are people like in this video and guys who don’t want women having the choice regardless of what’s right or wrong. But I’m glad someone out there can be on the other side and still understand what the mass of the PLers are like. I like this show a lot but I really feel like they just included this storyline to make people happy with seeing their side of it and portraying PLers as heartless monsters when in fact from what I’ve seen they always keep their distance at clinics and don’t scream at people going in.

[@PrajnaIsPrajna-exceptPrajna]

Me: *Regular suicidal thoughts, despite not having overly complex trauma* 13 reasons why: actually, quantum mechanics forbids this

[@eurekamreum5458]

I was there too, bud. Almost five years of that shit (I'm currently 24) and every single day felt like it would never stop. But then some things happened, shit hit the fan and thankfully I got the help I needed - it's been almost a full year without severe depression and suicidal thoughts. It did get better for me and I hope it does for you too.

[@PrajnaIsPrajna-exceptPrajna]

Eureka Mreum thanks man, it’s tough and words like this helps me quite a fair deal and I hope your depression doesn’t get bad again

[@porassrivastava8242]

I'd just say don't kill yourself cause this is one of the funniest comments I've seen so please keep comedy alive

[@enonoka]

Hope you're better now, stay safe out there ^^

[@chaznelson6865]

I know this comment is 7 months old, but you good man?

[@BigBossMan538]

If only Cool Cat was here. He'd stop the school shooting.

[@isabellewillhaveapicnic4091]

BigBossMan538 god i can't wait for that to be released omg

[@VegetasCorndog]

BigBossMan538 *cause* it

[@thatlonelygiraffeinc.6989]

ryo asuka apologist It was cancelled. Derek changed it to "Cool Cat Stranger Danger Alert".

[@isabellewillhaveapicnic4091]

That Lonely Giraffe inc. aw

[@dylaxiusmccoy]

That Lonely Giraffe inc. Guess it just became 14 reasons why.

[@andrearobyn3701]

The show paints suicide as a means for revenge, which is emphasized by Hannah 'coming back' to be able to see the impact of her choice. Plus, the fact that the show got a second season, and is getting a third, shows to me people like it for the dramatic elements. That's fine, just call a spade a spade instead of pretending it's doing this great advocacy for mental health when it's causing so much damage and suicide contagion.

[@tumulovermelho93]

underrated comment if they just owned the shock value similar to the likes of game of thrones, a lot of people wouldn't mind the fact that it THINKS it's doing a superb realistic job while talking about these incredibly heavy themes, that's the problem.

[@bethanyoneal5789]

Thank you! That’s one of the many issues I have with this show. Clay hallucinating Hannah, made it seem like she wasn’t really dead. When you commit suicide or die. It’s permanent, you’re dead. You don’t get to come back and see your little revenge fantasy play out

[@Pooky1991]

Just read the comments for any positive video about this show. Some people was even saying they should've had the school shooting happen for one reason or other which gives mny unfortunate implications

[@Forestfreud]

I read somewhere that when the author originally pitched the story to a publisher, Hannah had faked her death to watch people cry over her, but the publisher said that was way too dark and made him change it to be a tragedy about suicide. Except he basically just changed it so she actually died and the tone of the story (Hannah being fucking evil) remained the exact same. Now you just feel kind of bad for hating Hannah because she died, but you were always supposed to hate her because she’s written as a shitty person whose “death” was a ruse to sadistically torment people while she watched. That’s a big part of why the show sucks so bad. Hannah is evil and was never intended to be played as pure.

[@antoniodiavolo]

virginia smith that would make a much better show

[@andreasmeelie1889]

I thought that the author originally had Hannah run away then decided that suicide was a much better option. What you said is news to me where did you see that?

[@zanman3552]

I would’ve loved that alternate plot

[@callmemay2777]

LMAOO THAT WOULDVE MADE SUCH A BETTER STORY

[@1v1edits24]

@@callmemay2777Imagine they make a season 5 where it’s revealed that Hannah is alive and Clay tries to find her.

[@aidanpaul4096]

“Expect abortion to one of the ‘conversations’ for next season. Cant wait to see how terribly they handle that one” You were so right, anyone who watched season 3 knows 💀

[@Xphantomgamer]

aidan paul yes they handled it awful

[@ananya8232]

What did they say

[@snapchatseb.gay9942]

*They did it correctly so shut the fukka Appu*

[@kimmyseon46]

@@snapchatseb.gay9942 I cant tell if you're a troll or weeb

[@quintariusgooch]

How did they handle it

[@Stardevoir]

Bojack Horseman is an infinitely better portrayal of mental illness on Netflix and I hate that people consider this a good show or a good portrayal of the subject because it's dreadful

[@mekosalmander547]

what is Bojack horseman is it a good show?

[@Stardevoir]

It's another Netflix original that is set around a washed up sitcom star from the 90s trying to get his life together in some form, and not lose the little he has left. It's really good and I recommend it highly.

[@mekosalmander547]

Stardevoir oh cool i might watch it.

[@nintenboi7482]

And that show is a comedy!

[@theheadhunter2427]

I find this comment extremely offensive Bojack Horseman shouldn’t even be bothered by the presence of 13 reasons why

[@Poilu_Du_Sud]

The dad in 13 reasons why is the actor of Shrek in Shrek the Musical

[@pinkiegoof]

NOOdle .,. Why is the cat in your icon hitting a juul that’s unhealthy

[@VampKat]

A fellow pubg player I see

[@eggroll3055]

@Aravind No. Fiona is just a magic ogre lady.

[@ctb3335]

@@eggroll3055 Well if you're willing to strech then her being an ogre it kind of makes it literal

[@Locke350]

He is also the Dad In Next To Normal (made by the show runner of 13 Reasons Why)

[@chrixtae]

Well, you were right about the abortion part. good job.

[@laurenc5306]

Oh god, I can only imagine how poorly they handled that D:

[@elena0324]

Mommy Mochi i don‘t wanna watch the whole season. Please Tell me how they did it

[@laurocoman]

@@elena0324 same! How did they do it?

[@FollowerofDuck]

This is basically riverdale if it was heavily inspired by “im 14 and this is deep”

[@royalblanket]

@@lina6998 I- You fucking what? What even are you?

[@Flome810]

@@royalblanket For real. I hate when people do those stupid hyphens for no reason.

[@definitelynottommywiseau3037]

At least Riverdale knows how stupid and cheesy it is.

[@allengordon6929]

@@lina6998 please. That sub is actually hilarious, this is grimderp.

[@DrShaym]

"Let's make a list of social issues people get irrationally emotional over, and build a TV show around it! People will inevitably talk about it, and we can say we're 'starting a conversation' to deflect any accusations that we're capitalizing on real-life tragedy and hardship!"

[@ohmygodtheykilledkenny8038]

Dr Shaym I'm your first comment you will do good to remember me

[@tadpolegaming4510]

Dr Shaym thank you for wording my thoughts

[@aceman0000099]

We need this but for 9/11 but with jokes

[@billitzs5408]

Dr Shaym I feel like you should own I Hate Everything

[@tsus7667]

Dr Shaym It's actually based on a book tho

[@mikehunt9286]

you'd think a show trying to be serious and relatable to teenagers would have a character with acne or something *teenagers can relate to*

[@dahfighter9914]

Mike Hunt facts

[@RushieCat]

I know right

[@reptiloidtill]

Teenager don't need something to relate to. They are intelligent and are able to think themselves into the position of someone else. Sadly the characters in this show act total illogical and not like a real human.

[@nutty422]

Tyler had acne in season one.

[@GgamerQ]

Mike Hunt the second ghost Hannah came I was done with the realism of this game

[@mattneff]

11:15 "Tyler gets a girlfriend and then blows it" quite literally

[@lewissowerby3844]

Matt Neff I forget dose that he like nut in his pants

[@e2daron]

Rickety Rail yes

[@taeobama1730]

I watched it before the trigger warnings were added and omg was I upset. They should take that show off, there is no reason it deserves to stay on Netflix. They don’t portray mental illnesses correctly and it romanticizes mental illnesses that are so serious and important. After season one I never continued watching, season one was terrible and genuinely made me sad and upset and not for the storyline.

[@randomguy6679]

Yet, Gone With The Wind screenings get cancelled because it's "too racist". I hate this generation.

[@pissgravesprteam8737]

What do you mean it’s a bad show? It’s the best comedy show on Netflix!

[@HvnWasHere]

Snake Hahahaha.

[@hawbar4311]

For a sec i thought this was a hate comment but then my dumbass realized

[@AndrewAce.]

Good one...

[@asrieldreemur1764]

*_LMAO_*

[@cartoonosaurus]

I hate this comment so much that in my rage, I accidentally pressed the like button.

[@philiphanhurst2655]

They should’ve gotten rid of the ghost and given Clay his own hormone monster.

[@negative6442]

Philip Hanhurst ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@editating_2614]

Philip Hanhurst i understood that reference

[@gigi.pilgrim]

Big mouth? ;)

[@JayGaldos]

Big mouth referenceeeeee

[@periodicart444]

Stand master: Clay Stand name: big gay

[@CineHAMic]

Do you ever think about how Glee handled a school shooting better than this show "sTaRtInG a CoNvErSaTiOn" ever did? like for real. And the characters sung three songs in its episode!

[@Xehanort10]

Really says something that a musical series and an animated show about a talking horse portrayed real issues far better than a supposed "serious drama."

[@andreasmeelie1889]

I saw some of that scene. Can you tell me more?

[@Ocrilat]

Imagine this show, but instead of a show glamorizing suicide, we had the same 13 tapes, explaining why everyone sucks and with her blaming the cast for driving her to suicide. But in the flashbacks, we saw that things weren't how Hannah saw them...that maybe she saw slights where they didn't exist. Or people harming her that didn't mean to. That people were trying to be her friend, but she shut herself out. Where maybe her depression made her see things in a way that didn't exist. And she killed herself over that. There were hints of that in the show. Like it was considered by dropped. No mustache twirling villains. No silly, over the top drama. Just normal kids at a normal school. And a girl crippled by depression, taking her own life needlessly.

[@nocte.animam]

That would've been amazing to actually raise awareness on how life is worth living and sometimes we make our problems seem bigger than they actually are. Good pitch!

[@nocte.animam]

Plus, it would've been more complex regarding the narrative, there would be nuance, it would be thought provoking. This show is very basic in its portrayal of who's "evil," who's "good" and what does that look like.

[@Ocrilat]

@@nocte.animam The show could have been praised as a tool to raise awareness, and to convince people like Hannah to get help. It could have done some good, instead of delivering the message of 'if you are having a tough time, kill yourself. Then everyone will be sorry' of the show we saw.

[@Ocrilat]

@@nocte.animam I write for a living, so a lot of the time when I see bad writing, it just makes me think about how to fix it.

[@nocte.animam]

@@Ocrilat I find this videos very useful for my storytelling skills. There are lots of insights you can get from trashy stuff on what not to do.

[@deadlyjedly7172]

Doki Doki Literature Club treats mental illness with more respect than this show

[@SickVapeTricks]

DeadlyJedly fucking monikammmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@lewis6107]

*_f u c k i n g m o n i k a m m m m m m m m m m_*

[@Xhawk777]

DeadlyJedly you know Netflix fucked up when an indie game does better with mental illness.

[@jaded151]

the Flintstones treats mental illness with more respect than this show

[@youlean]

Jeff Jefferson Jeez who hurt you?

[@calebc5057]

As someone with severe depression, I think that this series portrayed and executed depression in such a poor manner, that it’s a bit laughable and it makes people with actual depression kinda look bad

[@Syndixal]

Caleb Collings you took the words out of me mouth mate

[@jesterbuddersworth3051]

Caleb Collings seriously man. Severe depression my whole life not once have a grabbed my shotgun and decided to hit up the local pre k dance

[@Verde4755]

True

[@angelderp6689]

Caleb Collings couldn't agree more

[@Paranoida]

DoggySporty Doesn't mean it can't be done right. BoJack Horseman provides a good look at how depression can be destructive while something like Oyasumi Punpun presents a realistic yet entertaining look at what it feels like.

[@hMusic-tb8hl]

I think they did a horrible job talking about rape survivors. They used rape as a narrative tool in Hannah's story and Tyler's to explain why they committed suicide/became a shooter. But the way they used it in Jessica' s story in season 2 is just so bad. It's basically a bunch of boys (because you know, we need boys to achieve anything and save us) constantly telling her to SPEAK, pushing victims of sexual assault to feel guilty to not react the right way. Guess what, being a survivor is not this fucking simple. There is no "you should do this or that". You want to start a conversation ? Stop being this problematic when talking about very serious issues.

[@woolypuffin392]

Also dont add scenes to a second season that make the victim unlikable and slutty to kind of justify the rape. Like yes she was flirty and had a good time with Bryce but thats not a Go On for him to rape her.

[@hMusic-tb8hl]

@@woolypuffin392 Thank you ! The bordeline slut-shaming in season 2 was really really problematic. You can add depth to a character without presenting them as "slutty": even Twin Peaks managed to never put the blame on Laura Palmer, even though it was 1991, she was a sex worker and the show never had the pretention to "start a conversation".

[@Idrive2011]

that's pretty epic

[@jamescarr1265]

Twin peaks handled this all so much better

[@tyler.m4a]

AND THE 3RD SEASON ISN’T EVEN RELATED TO ANYTHING

[@Laxhoop]

The meme of Despacito 2’s release dropping the suicide rate to 0% is more kind to people with mental health problems.

[@nadirbaitsaleem7270]

Spencer Whiteway Yeah, it might make them crack a smile unlike 13rw which would make them feel even worse.

[@LewdMe]

Spencer Whiteway are you saying you don’t like it?

[@tzunano]

Tis a good meme

[@barelysentient0951]

Get off my stream with those normie memes

[@LewdMe]

Wheat T that’s not something normies are gonna like

[@GmmBeast]

I'm sorry, but school (or otherwise public) shooters don't just "decide" to stop shooting a place up. Mostly, they can't be reasoned with.

[@snivylink2119]

i survived a school shooting because a teacher tackled and held down the shooter

[@politickz6591]

Whaddya mean? I once had a very pleasant conversation with my classmate after he came to school with an AR-15 to murder me and the rest of the people there. Nice guy, shame FBI SWAT shot him

[@ofclown9458]

@@politickz6591 damn he recover?

[@Anastas1786]

@@ofclown9458 We'll see. The paramedics found _most_ of the brain parts.

[@chaznelson6865]

@@Anastas1786 free strawberry jam

[@cateyes3813]

If you haven’t seen Season 3, it was just... so much worse. Romantising Tyler’s actions right at the top of the list. He was an 🤮 character (after confirming to Hannah that yes, he HAD deleted the photos of her and Courtney, he actually sends them around the entire school) and he’s just this... creepy stalker generally. But he got bullied/assaulted so that immediately makes him a “good” guy and totally within his rights to shoot up the whole school. And Alex saying to Bryce when he throws him off the pier that “we were never friends”, it’s like he hung out at Bryce’s during a lot of Season 1, then in S3, Bryce was there for Alex hugely when Jessica broke up with him - gave him coke, took him to hookers - these are not inexpensive things and just try getting a stranger to do all that for you. Then Alex wanted steroids off Bryce. All these things are favours and if Alex really disliked Bryce during all that - what a complete user! Also I found what Alex started yelling whilst with the hooker to get to his ya-ya place to be really gross, eg “fucking bitch!” etc. An eye for an eye would be Bryce getting raped. Bryce didn’t murder anybody. Season 3 was just so annoying in so many ways, but the worst was how hammered (to extent of cyber bullying) people got for pointing out that Tyler was about to do something very evil and that he was not a good character! I was totally jumped on. But it’s like these same people throwing shit at me for saying that would most likely be the first to say if IRL, someone who did a mass shooting was found out later to be bullied/had mental illness, would have NO sympathy whatsoever. Which is right. Plenty of people get terrible things done to them. If he’d had the balls to take it out on Monty, that’s one thing. But to shoot up an entire school, 99% of who had done absolutely nothing to Tyler, is not in any way a justifiable reaction. But the fans of this show, from my experience, are the most obsessive, one track minded, unaccepting of other people’s right to their own opinions than any show I’ve ever watched and commented on. Also, never really mentions mental illness properly. Doesn’t give one example of someone for example suffering from clinical depression (it’s an illness, you don’t have to be bullied to get depression). And seriously? Clay talking/interacting/yelling at a hallucination in S2 was portrayed as completely NORMAL! In a show that’s supposed to be dealing with mental illness. But nup, Clay having entire conversations with a hallucination is completely normal.

[@thetigerking2613]

Cool Cat has a better anti-bullying message then this show.

[@Idrive2011]

Cool cat and the Child protective agency took my kids

[@saoirsekm3056]

As someone who has been hospitalized for mental illness, including suicide attempts, I hated 13RW. Something that really got to me was the 'Hannah Ghost'. The point of suicide is that the person can't come back, they can't watch things go right, it's a permanent decision that you can't take back. Hannah being able to come back and hear and see things others meant to say to her completely erased the seriousness and permanent-ness of suicide. She died not knowing who cared for her and loved her, she died with so many questions and doubts and worries. She CAN'T see them be resolved because she's GONE. Another issue I had was the simplicity and dumb-down of symptoms of depression and someone at risk of suicide. 'People may change their physical appearance- *cuts to Hannah with short, stylish hair*'. People dealing with depression sometimes don't even shower or brush their teeth, but no, that's too gross for this 'hard hitting' show. A styled bob was their best attempt.

[@missmilkshakespeare6015]

Saoirse Kelly Mahoney Exactly

[@lizardperson780]

Youre absolutely right. I seriously hope youre better now.

[@skrittle555]

i hadn't even thought of that. i guess i considered "hannah's ghost" as an incredibly inaccurate depiction of a psychotic episode. but god, that makes it even worse.

[@WhiffleWaffles]

Thank you for saying this! As a child I was religious about cleaning my teeth but as I grew older and depression got worse I went two weeks without brushing my teeth, an entire week without getting out of bed except when I was forced to, etc. It's disgusting! :( I hope you're doing better.

[@fandomdolphin6315]

Agreed. I also hate that they make the show feel like a childish scavenger hunt. Yeah, because THAT'S what suicide is!

[@Derpskull_]

Hannah baker comes back to life in infinity war

[@plantspores3357]

AH SPOILERS

[@aidangordon2713]

You just had to go and ruin it, did ya?

[@ianbailey4213]

Dread it, run from it, season 3 arrives all the same.

[@1800Hernandez]

clay... I don't feel so good

[@smlmoneymakerextrodinaire6687]

NTS Derpskull Thanos becomes a school shooter

[@KaiM2583]

“Bullying is bad!” Is someone channeling their inner cool cat? 😂

[@rcj.19]

LMAOOO

[@lilscenechick1995]

Thank you for this honest, well spoken review. This show is a trainwreck. The first season was barely tolerable. They aren't trying to "start a conversation". They are using sensitive subject matter to generate emotional reactions so they can make a profit. It's tactless. There's a way to use topics like suicide, rape, drug use, and bullying to raise awareness but they've gone and turned it all into an incomprehensible, jumbled mess. After the horrible rape Hannah endured, Season 3 wants us to feel sympathy for Bryce the Rapist...the writers can literally fuck off.

[@carius989]

The biggest reason why i was disappointed is that they missed the opportunity to play "pumped up kicks" on the dance. smh

[@BNK2442]

Carius98 lol

[@AFarmerCalledChicken]

Good lord that would be too fitting

[@Bobbobson69420]

I think Clay’s name describes his character. A boring lump of dirt that could be messed with, but just sits there being useless.

[@allysonrichter8874]

JimmyMACfluster I

[@lamb.]

JimmyMACfluster 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Bobbobson69420]

Ethan Cothran You’re right. This character is so bad that he has tarnished my outlook on the art of his namesake. Apologies.

[@user-nf3hh8kn5r]

JimmyMACfluster LMAOOO

[@melissachristodoulou9476]

KuSeBe maybe you should fully read what he wrote?

[@crippledcrusader1321]

This show is in my opinion just a overrated show that does tackle some important things like suicide and depression, but other shows and movies have done that so much better. A silent voice, an anime(just stick with me on this) movie that is about a guy trying to make amends with a girl, who has hearing and speech defects, for bullying her in their younger schooling years. The movie does an incredible job showing the isolation of our lead character as all his friends have turned on him so they don’t feel the guilt of making fun of the deaf girl as well, and is shown is alone state through scenes in his perspective. That movie does a better job at showing themes dealing with depression/isolation/and suicide in a way that left more of an impact than what this show has to offer. I can not for the life of me understand why this show is praised so much when there’s major gaping holes in reality. Like when saying “why didn’t she just tell her parents that she’s depressed”, the usual answer is that she did and they didn’t care. Really, because judging from this season of the parents trying to sue the school for negligence of the wellness of a student, it’s seems like they fucking care. I will never understand this show, because the only way a teen can tell their parents that they’re suicidal and the parents don’t care are foster parents, or people who are not ready to be parents, which for this show, neither of those two come to pass.

[@rainierday8155]

It's similar to how the new Ghostbusters movie went with "because feminism!!!" as its defense against any criticism. Just because you use token characters with mental illnesses doesn't make your show some kind of ally for the issue.

[@MelonTartVA]

I agree. "A Silent Voice" is what "13 Reasons Why" should've been. Especially since the movie shows that both leads are isolated. The girl because she can't hear and has a hard time communicating (and her only friend was bullied out of school) and the other was a bully isolated by his fellow bullies so they wouldn't get in trouble. I appreciate how it shows the multiple sides of depression and mental health without showing either side as bad and showing there is no true solution to depression, suicide, or bullying.

[@denisetion5584]

​@@MelonTartVAI love that movie

[@RandomSkyeRoses]

The MCU films handled mental illness better than 13 Reasons Why

[@MillieVA]

spacerunner 94 exactly

[@snivylink2119]

almost everything handles mental illness better than 13 reasons why

[@ScoutTrooperTK]

Nah, Joker handled it waaaaaay better

[@robinmattheussen2395]

@@ScoutTrooperTK I don't entirely agree that Joker handled this very well (I think it's a great film nonetheless btw). What I think it DID do very well is display how a person who feels oppressed is empowered by taking his own fate into his own hands. Joker's most happy moment is shown when he is finally liberated when he has decided for himself what he is going to do on Murray's show.

[@ilovesanrioandmcr2031]

Honestly, even fuckin Bojark Horseman does a fantastic job at that, a cartoon about a lonely, addicted and depressed horse is waaaay better at portraying mental issues than this shitty cliché-filled insulting teen drama show

[@Shipperscum]

It shocks me this show was allowed to even exist. It romanticizes Teen Suicide as something you can use to ruin the lives of everyone whose ever wronged you like some ultimate revenge plan. Yeah lets advertise that message too teenagers.

[@gagechase1188]

This show definitely romanticizes suicide and almost paints it as a good thing

[@user-cm6sp9iu5r]

Bill Wilson not really.

[@Roadent1241]

Bill Wilson And they did everything they were told NOT to do. Mainly showing the traumatic acts themselves.

[@PretentiousAdonis]

Bill Wilson I dunno man, my brother is in the target audience of this show and he laughed at every "fucked up" scene in this show. The rapist getting erect at the thought of rape is almost cartoonish.

[@kirby1781]

Oh my god I have bad stuff about this show but showing suicide as a revenge scheme? What the heck? Who were the psychopaths that made this show and the ones that approved it?

[@loser3492]

Twilight's Edward ghosting Bella and giving her insane visions and shit was more carefully thought out and served as a far more interesting plot device compared to ghost Hannah in this dogshit of a series.

[@ImNormalISwear]

I hate that this is true

[@darkmega97]

Finally something that isn't a better love story than twilight

[@shaneyy__]

Wait... this comment is accurate...? The hecc?

[@kat_firekitkatsaregreat4409]

s i m p l e b l u e s it's so true it's sad

[@AnnaSchokker]

I hate to say this, but it's true...

[@fortune2199]

Hannah: I need someone to talk to 😔 Clay: talk to me Hannah: *no.*

[@Xehanort10]

Hannah: I don't want to be alone. Clay: Hello. Hannah: LEAVE ME ALONE.

[@dabestyoutube5433]

Kiddie pools are deeper than this show

[@Idrive2011]

so you're saying that all midgets think this show is deep. THATS RACIST

[@nightraven5710]

I cannot BELIEVE this show was cleared for a season two! Honestly, this show poisons the mind into thinking suicide is okay, and in fact there have been SEVERAL copycat suicides after this shows release. I have attempted to take my own life MANY times. Once by trying to overdose on Clonopin, and I would have succeeded if it wasn't for my mom texting me saying 'Hope you get home safely' as this was after the family reunion in Nashville where I was molested by one of my uncles. I forced myself to vomit up everything in my stomach. I did not have to go to the hospital to get it pumped or anything. Upon arriving home I hugged my mom and told her what happened and how I felt. She was very happy I did not succeed in my suicide attempt. That day forward I attempted to cut everything negative out of my life, I did not succeed. HOWEVER this year I went to go see a play called 'Every Brilliant Thing' where the main character narrates how his mom had depression, and that not wanting to end up like his mom, he decided to make a list of 'Every Brilliant Thing'. He continued to do this throughout his life until one day the list reached one million things. After I got home from that play I started typing up and writing down all the things that made me happy, that are wonderful. I am currently at 130 and my goal is 1,000. I suffer from severe depression and making this list, working on it everyday, has TRULY made my life brighter. I've become more optimistic, don't let negative things effect me, and maintain a happy demeanor. This list technique may not work for everyone but it most certainly has for me. Try it, it may help.

[@sukmidik1051]

Night Raven bless your soul

[@IAmKentori]

Night Raven did you call the police on your uncle? And also I hope you are ok

[@lykos2327]

F

[@deditor7867]

I hope you are doing fine. Please don't consider suicide. You are a strong person, and you exist for a reason.

[@sylvie_on]

Here’s one, Dirt. It may seem really weird, but I’m really glad dirt exists, I mean, think about everything that we wouldn’t have without dirt. It just makes me happy that it’s there.

[@fbspin]

13 reasons why we should *_start a conversation_*

[@joceyyhrra_2686]

Relatable

[@gipsyg27]

fbspin "pokemon G O T O T H E P O L L S"

[@boopityboopboop]

start a conversation with a fist to the face, more like

[@winterlarsime9938]

Reason 1: You all seem like nice people, we can have a conversation ............. Reason 13: I dislike everyone around me, but I like VHS tapes.

[@damong9435]

fbspin Cuz thinngz r bad and not good

[@vilwarin5635]

A rape scene well made can be found in Downton Abbey. A character called Anna is raped in the servant't basement, but we the audience don't see anything. We see the initial confrontation between her and her rapist, then he grabs her and both disapear from camera. We only hear her screams and muffled sounds. Then, the plot centers onnher reaction and evolution. It has heartbreaking, scary and so damn well done you could feel chills and rage and pity for her. Sometimes, you don't need to show everything to engage your audience

[@lemonwater1108]

Exactly. They clearly just showed it for shock value, not actually trying to present how traumatizing being sexually assaulted can be to a person. They just try to "up the stakes' with little to no reason, it's just so gross

[@SoggyHotDoggy]

When people start watching this show, I gave it a shot for an episode or two and felt like I was just watching Trauma Porn. The way they handle the subjects at hand, suicide, depression, sexual assault, it all felt so heavily sensationalized. Whatever strengths this show might have, I feel like they’re hidden under a wave of shock value scenes and characters that range from “they’re there” to “I dislike you almost as much as I dislike Hannah” Even when you take out the issue of how the target audience sees this show, I feel like I can find something more enjoyable on the CW or something.

[@Dennnnnnn_]

Tbh 13 reasons why is a really poorly made revenge fantasy.

[@paunaic5460]

The Trashman A very fucked up one.

[@nathansciarone5627]

pretty fucking much lol

[@aaronlandry3934]

The Trashman Yep, but it claims to be “an accurate depiction of a real suicide”. These fucks don’t know jackshit about mental health

[@BigTylt]

Aaron Landry >Tells story where girl kills herself >Makes no mention of depression "We understand suicide"

[@insertedgyemobandnameshere813]

The Trashman pretty much

[@falsehero2001]

I must live under a rock considering I’ve never heard of this show. It’s a pretty good rock to live under.

[@babyjoker5309]

I envy you. I used to be like you until my sister and our cousin dragged me into watching the second season with them. We had fun laughing at the show, but still. I could've done without it.

[@omarmiralles1043]

Lived in that rock too, I'll just stick with the book

[@Dan89201]

falsehero2001 room for one more

[@kat_firekitkatsaregreat4409]

falsehero2001 don't watch it, I did and fully regret it

[@meghnalekshman4137]

*Top 10 Rocks I Would Rather Live Under*

[@ThatBum42]

Maybe this was the endgame of their "start a conversation" schtick, since we're all having a conversation about accurately representing mental health far more than a conversation about the actual show.

[@boogiewoogie4512]

Girls in my class after watching this show: oooooh my god, I'm so deeepressed! Woe is me! No one understands! Me, whose been diagnosed with depression since 7th grade: hmm, sucks

[@dailygeek1334]

It’s terrible how this show basically romanticizes mental illnesses. I hope you’re having a great day! 💖💖And sorry that you had to put up with people like that. Thank goodness no one really talks about this show anymore.

[@RickRaptor105]

Well, but at least they S T A R T E D A C O N V E R S A T I O N

[@doctorthirteen5727]

RickRaptor105 Yes! Thanks Netflix, I need someone to tell me how to feel about complex issues

[@stopreadingthisusername9528]

*and then everybody clapped*

[@phiwokuhleqwabe2097]

Yes, before this show came out, I never knew rape was bad. But now thanks to Netflix, I I know.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Hip hip hooray.

[@kristinlinnae372]

ah yes lets provide kids with an unrealistic and romanticized view of suicide, potentially encouraging it, for the sake of starting a conversation!

[@Ccray-qk7lb]

I don’t like how there is a ghost Hannah, somewhat keeping her “alive” and you can talk to Hannah, but the truth is once you commit suicide you can’t see everyone’s reaction that you’ve avenged. Once you’re dead you’re dead, there’s no going back

[@user-ul4bc3wo8f]

In my perspective,there was no ghost,it was just Clay's thoughts about her.And he needs to make a fantasy "friend" to talk to ,to share his thoughts,like he is not alone,to fool himself that he still has Hannah. You know what I mean?

[@para-yw9dn]

@@user-ul4bc3wo8f no.. i dont know what you mean, because children may watch this show or people with mental illness may watch this show. they may not understand that once you're dead, you're dead. in the show it kinda seems like hannah committed suicide to get revenge on all of her "friends" and to see how they react which kids dont understand. i once read somewhere that people who commit suicide and are in the middle of falling to their death regret it. people who have mental illness and have suicidal thoughts, or children who watch this show may not fully understand mental illness and suicide. the people who made this show honestly disgust me for their portrayal of suicide and mental illness. also im definitely not a professional so take all of this with a grain of salt. I'm 14 and really dont want more people getting hurt from this stupid show, bc ik how dumb us teenagers can be. suicide and mental illness are both super sensitive topics and the creators should've tried harder to portray them correctly

[@user-ul4bc3wo8f]

@@para-yw9dn I think you were trying to reply to the person above(Ccray).However I don't think that directors were trying to say that the suicide is the only answer and the only way you get revenge to the people who hurt you.But it was just many times that they portrayed all of this pourly.For example,in season 2 we see hannah's "ghost"( I believe it's just Clay's thoughts)very happy and smiling a lot in S2 as she found peace,like she is leaving happily now,she is in paradise and has no problems.As a result of you see the show and if you are in a desperate position,you think suicide is the only option to get away from this.But the reality is when you die,you die,there's nothing,from my view.

[@lowqualityvideos8091]

Honestly a show this serious should not have a ghost character, cuz that really dumb

[@enonoka]

@@lowqualityvideos8091 I kind of agree with you, it just ruined the tone imo. Then again, the tone wasn't that good at all.

[@brijones7827]

If you’re looking for a realistic take on mental illness that is actually really good, I would recommend the Broadway musical Next to Normal. It handles some of the same subject matter as 13 Reasons Why, but does it with respect and accuracy. The biggest similarity is between “Ghost Hannah” and the main character, Diana’s deceased son, Gabe. [major Next to Normal spoilers ahead] In the Broadway show, Diana is a woman struggling with bipolar disorder and depression, and mental state is demonstrated through her hallucinations of her son Gabe, who died as a baby. The visions of Gabe are symbolic of her declining mental health, as she struggles towards treatment. The nature of Gabe is intentionally left vague, but he is clearly an antagonist in the story, pulling Diana down as she struggles to stay afloat. Unlike Hannah, who is just kind of there because conflict. Overall, the show is fantastic and so much better than 13 Reasons.

[@Idrive2011]

Broadgay

[@definitelynottommywiseau3037]

Next to Normal is also by Brian Yorkey, the very same guy who brought us this bullshit show.

[@lin0saur-225]

Adults think teens are all brooding and moody and spend our time talking about how we hate school and stuff but literally the conversation that I had with my friend on the last day of school started with "He shoved it down his urETHRA-"

[@RandomSkyeRoses]

The MCU Spider-Man movies portray teenagers in a more accurate way and they live in a superhero universe

[@ScoutTrooperTK]

Regular Show did a better job at portraying teens

[@gwendolynwestwind9764]

The "bullied kids become school shooters" thing is so tired and untrue. The vast majority of school shootings aren't conducted by victims of bullying but by bullies themselves, since it's a way to cause the most suffering while getting shitloads of attention, especially since the American media gives so much attention to the shooters, justifying their actions and borderline glorifiying them. The "bullying" they expeirenced, if any, is that nobody liked them because they were shitty to people. You don't go from being a total punching bag to being a mass murderer, most people have to build up to that kind of violence. Victims of prolonged bullying may dream about being able to get that kind of 'revenge', but are much more likely to kill themselves than anybody else.

[@ironsheep0026]

Gwendolyn Westwind bullshit

[@CaptainLekirk]

Got some links? Because most of the most 'famous' ones were in fact outcasts who were bullied. Columbine. The recent one, Parkland iirc? Violence is innate. Effective bullying isnt just violent, and people can just snap. Anyways, yeah, people would make excuses as to why they bullied someone. "Oh they were mean. They were terrible. He was weird." He was probably shitty because he was bullied for years. I knew a kid like that in high school. Total asshole to everyone, but he was a really nice guy once he let his guard down.

[@ck891]

Holy fuck this comment was heavy

[@lilcrabbybabby]

@@CaptainLekirk The Columbine killers *were not* bullied. That was a narrative the media came up with. One of the killers moms (Dylans I think?) has even given a Ted talk saying her son was relatively popular, had lots of friends, was involved in school, pretty smart, etc. It was an easy narrative for the media to use to explain why two people would do such a horrible thing (which at the time had never really happened before in the US) was that they were bullied and outcasts, but in fact they were relatively normal kids, even popular kids, that were just massively fucked up.

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

@@lilcrabbybabby Nice conspiracy theory

[@rosenrot234]

You know why I hate this show? It does the whole "You need trauma to be suicidal" thing. Sometimes perfectly happy people struggle with suicide and they don't know why. But don't talk about it because then they're told they have nothing to be suicidal over. It's bullshit ( Oops I commented too soon. IHE mentions that at 10:14 )

[@izzykate1806]

THANK YOU. Mental illness doesn’t always have a clear cause or explanation and it’s so important for people to know that.

[@Shtoops]

Elisa Castro I'm not sure how to respond to that argument. By that logic, pretty much no one who isn't homeless and starving should be allowed to be suicidal. You can just fuck right off with that tbh

[@GayloriousQueen]

Elisa Castro Do you think it's coincidental that the highest rates of suicide in the world belong to the first of the first world countries? And I am talking about people of mature age with successful careers and all. Clearly you have no idea what the fuck depression is.

[@natashahart25]

Right my bf was like that. He had a great life and he still did it

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

Elisa Castro I have to agree with the others. Mental illnesses don't care how much money you have or how good your life is. They're ILLNESSES, they don't pick and choose.

[@mattrex94]

Honestly, the most disgusting thing is that they are profiting off of suicide, I really hope that the entirety of any one who produced, funded or green lit this exploitative show has the most blistering painful anguish in their demise

[@raditzthecutemonkey9645]

The scene with Tyler in the bathroom really messed me up, without me realizing it. I watched it months ago and suddenly, when I accidentally clogged my toilet, I was triggered by something and was sent into a panic attack my mom had to calm me down from, because I was crying and hyperventilating like a maniac. For a show that shows stuff like this in such a graphic manner to show how "real" these issues are, to "help" people and start a "conversation, they certainly do a terrible job at "helping" others. Still haven't gotten over all the rape in this show.

[@angellefranc8961]

This makes me so mad. The thing is to SHOW that things like assault happens, not try to TRAUMATIZE even more people. Such a way of helping smh. I'm sorry you had to see this

[@rinabea3863]

I stopped watching after Hannah rape scene so knowing now there’s Tylers rape scene I am definitely not watching. I don’t need to literally see what happened if that makes sense..

[@alexandrabrown068]

Oh hope you’re doing better. Do you have anxiety or something? I will say that scene did still educate and help people even if it did hurt others. That’s why heeding warnings is so important (and no I’m not blaming you at all if it sounds that way, that’s just one pov). The way it sheds light on male assault victims and how it’s typically different for males and how they’re treated.

[@lilaniloxi]

Ghost hannah should have just been animated like a stick figure to show she wasn't really there.

[@AFarmerCalledChicken]

Or just her voice? Maybe have little glimpses of movement? Like a bit of hair going past a doorway?

[@lilaniloxi]

@@AFarmerCalledChicken anything really, to show she's not there.

[@7.62x38mmR]

Maybe just a bit weird, like Glitchtrap in FnafVR ?

[@colecollins616]

they could have like made her look fake by like animating a bit of white around the edges or made her fade in and out of existence

[@vanroyal244]

That is actually more creative than what they did. I can picture it in my head: clay opening his notebook and stick figure Hannah starts talking to him. Maybe he uses the notebook to see Hannah when he's feeling down or doesn't know what to do, and he is heart broken when he is told that it's just a hallucination.

[@greglong7170]

My biggest issue is with Clay and how he bullies and blackmail others in the show but it portrayed as noble vigilante justice.

[@madwildocean03]

that's something not talked about as often but I agree with it. Like yes you would have outbursts if the guy or girl you loved killed themselves but not to this point lsklsk

[@tumulovermelho93]

To be fair basically everyone in this show is awful and deserves shit

[@madwildocean03]

@@tumulovermelho93 true. they're all a group of psyhopaths in season 3 lol

[@DrDolan2000]

Batman he is not

[@jen_is_not_ok]

Lol that’s not how schizophrenic hallucinations work 13 Reasons Why

[@alexandrabrown068]

They never said he was schizophrenic…

[@alex_n215]

@@alexandrabrown068 Thats the thing, they never explain what’s actually wrong with clay.

[@mirunaelena4436]

Introduction - 0:00 Story - 1:47 Spoilers! - 2:26 Clay - 6:17 Hannah Ghost - 7:22 Tyler - 9:18 Dialogue - 13:22 (kinda agree at 13:47) Presentation - 14:21 Acting - 15:26 Social Comentary - 16:15 Mentall Illness - 19:18 Filler - 21:19 Misery & Emptiness - 22:20 The Last Episode - 24:37

[@jamescarr1265]

Thank you

[@izzy1221]

Everyone I knew in my school was ‘oh my god this series is so good I feel so enlightened.’ No. It’s awful and glorifies suicide.

[@Simon-jq4fj]

Isagail the show doesn’t glorify anything. Showing the brutal and honest truth of what suicide looks like isn't the same thing as glorifying it. Please tell me why you think that it glorifies suicide because i don't see it.

[@Muteki_REN]

bbq sauce on my tiddies That's my biggest issue with the show, the whole "haha I'll just kill myself, that'll show them" angle is god awful. I have no idea why people cling to this show so much. It's just a bad way of writing something this serious.

[@anikmonette2140]

bbq sauce on my tiddies No, it's not. I'm not saying the show does it right (because I think it doesn't), but if you speak with a suicidal person, all has been thought up and planned. No need to be shy. Most of them even know how to kill themselves and when...

[@boshwa20]

bbq sauce on my tiddies "Lol i have been a suicidal person" Something about that statement doesn't seem right

[@aceman0000099]

The basic girls that love this show are not at all familiar with the themes and only see it as enlightening. It's totally reasonable and while it is poorly representative; it is better than nothing for these fans they're not the ones misled by the 'glorification' so it's not an issue

[@juanpablorobayo9891]

Hannah Baker: Nobody loves me, I can't recognize the love that's around me, I've never had any love, I'm starving emotionally and I must end things because the trauma doesn't stop Hannah Baker in season 2: I actually had a popular boyfriend and was happy for a bit.But when that ended, THEN I never had any love or affection. Suicide is a terrible thing and no one deserves it. But Hannah Baker (as we've seen by the fact that she made literal intimidation tapes) is not that great of a person (and neither is the guy who helped to distribute them)

[@torin6258]

OblivionFN XBL Not wHaT he was going for...

[@ModelNumbers]

That “but” just contradicts the sentence you just said like do some people deserve to commit suicide because I don’t think so

[@juanpablorobayo9891]

@@ModelNumbers I would never say that. The thing is, the show tries to paint suicide as a thing that people fall into due to depression, but she actually ends up doing it a bit out of spite, which contradicts this idea. Hannah Baker is not a good person, which is too complex of a message to pin on a suicide character with the way the show is being told. They could've told a story about suicide that was nuanced and good, but instead we got that garbage.

[@Hammerhead547]

Hannah was the exact sort of girl who deserved to never have happiness because she was a total piece of shit to everyone yet expected everyone to kiss her ass.

[@woolypuffin392]

@@Hammerhead547 Guess you never were an assh. as a Teen then? Most Teens are unlikable and dumm. Its hormones and bad parenting that make it even worse.

[@colonelstarsandstripes5379]

“Expect abortion to be one of the conversations for next season.Cant wait to se how terribly they handle that one.” That aged great

[@Datha164d]

I genuienly just wish for this show to be taken down. I was hospitalized for 6 months a year ago and I remember watching this show 2017 or smth. I wasn't even aware that I was depressed, I didn't know that it wasn't normal to not want to live and that scene of Hanna killing herself made such a big impact on me. The way it was romanticized and depicted as this glorious way of gaining sympathy and revenge used to haunt me, almost as though it was seducing me into giving in. It was a horrible time.

[@maxymkirichenko8553]

Oh yeah yeah

[@D34Dh3AD]

The funniest thing about the last episode was that Clay should've been dead. I mean if you think about it Clay took some nude photographs of Tyler and send them around and I can't really remember if he even made a sincere apology towards Tyler. So for him to run out the building towards the man he hurt who is there to kill everyone who hurt him is the stupidest shit ever.

[@fakename5400]

Tbo Folge how is it stupid to try and stop someone from committing a school shooting

[@miIkbear]

Fake Name it’s stupid if they’re already there with the guns and you know they don’t like you and you gather everyone up and say “don’t call the cops”. In real life Clay would’ve been killed and Tyler would’ve easily killed a lot of kids before the cops came. You don’t just run up to someone with a loaded gun with the intent to hurt people and try to reason with them.

[@assmilk9674]

TetyanaKufta it’s not that stupid when you really think about it, though. sure, clay did some dumb shit to tyler but so did monty. at least clay actually looked sincere about what he did and nicely persuaded him to not shoot anyone.

[@Brimzel]

@@assmilk9674 It's extremely dangerous. You don't know what goes around someone's mind when they decide to commit acts such as shootings. Yeah, it's a show, but in real life people should NEVER attempt this. What's more likely to happen is that they'll shoot anyone trying to stop them, proceed to kill as many as possible and then off themselves. Those people don't need just any help, they need professional help. Sorry for long reply.

[@lilscenechick1995]

I agree it was very unrealistic.

[@jaehyunsbreadbasket7514]

I feel like this is the type of show when at the end they're going to have Clay wake up next to Hannah and she's alive and it was all just a dream. That would make more sense than ANYTHING in the show.

[@mustaki7620]

justkidding lol right

[@betamalesoyboy6094]

Hannah : I feel so alone ... Clay : Hey , what's wrong ? Hannah : Leave me alone ... Clay : * leaves * Hannah : Why did you leave me alone !?