I Live Below A Cult Leader And I Think I've Angered Her r/Relationships

[@kristinewatson3702]

The building manager was an AH for asking OP to contact the upstairs neighbor directly. This needs to have law enforcement involved. The stalking behavior is very concerning

[@Undomaranel]

Exactly. Same vibes of a manager giving your number to a customer so you can swap appointments. That is NOT okay and puts everyone in danger of stalking.

[@jettanyx1]

That and from the noise and amount of people sounds like could be involved wouldn’t that violate zoning laws in some cities? Max occupancy, running a business out of a residential location, and noise restrictions? She needs to get law involved, landlord should be required to move her to another place

[@builtontherockhomestead9390]

I'd have said no way. I'm terrified for my safety. I want out before they attack me or the roof collapses.

[@sonialinsey8083]

Holy cow! I mean it’s only his job to take care of this stuff…absolutely negligent.

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

@@jettanyx1 Noise, zoning, probably building regs. The owners doesn't want the city involved because THEY would get the fines, as well as the tenant.

[@bajojohn]

What the hell kind of management has you talk directly to neighbors during a conflict. They are supposed to be a proxy for several reasons. That alone should be grounds to break your lease.

[@ukchanak]

My land lady, unfortunately. I had some drama with the neighbor in my duplex and she never dealt with it just wanted me or the cops to do it. Finally the cops told her she had to figure it out and she confronted them and they left the apartment.

[@isthataspider7410]

Honestly i think the ceiling breaking in is a direct threat to the tenant's safety so she should just be able to end the lease then... Conflicts with neighbors aren't taken seriously that often unfortunately.

[@amandajohnson3531]

I don't think they did. Since OP never said anything about the conversation and only talked about hearing the conversation from their apartment, I think the Op was only quoting what the building manager said they were going to do.

[@Sifya]

I think the managament is with the cult. No management love damage,it is so strange they are so chill

[@jjgandthatsenough]

THE ECHO ON “rebrand yourself surrender yourself” HAD ME CHOKING 😂😂😂😂😂

[@PrincessAfrica3]

Really funny 😂

[@ScooterBond1970]

Voice Of The Waffle Legion 😂

[@candacernelson5074]

@@ScooterBond1970 ALL HAIL THE WAFFLE LEGION

[@keishaizawesome2836]

I laughed so hard at that 💀😂

[@MrH347]

I sometimes forget that these stories are rooted in reality. That recording is creepy. Thanks for reminding me that these things happen in the same world as me.

[@DerekScottBland]

Remember, the vast majority of these stories are fake. The internet is a breeding ground of attention seekers.

[@KK-jl9sz]

I was literally thinking the same thing. That video is so creepy

[@Dr.RatioSnail]

It sounds to me like they are on drugs and in a cult at the same time 💀

[@VidWatcher01]

It's the whole "Rebrand Yourself, Surrender Yourself" part for me!😂😬🤣😱

[@DXAB91]

Good beat though lol

[@ComaLies225]

I have advice for the OP: 1. Lay low 2. Have a bf or friend around. The pounding on the door and the keys jangling is a bit alarming and while they haven’t threatened you physically I would try to steer clear as you never know what the neighbors might be capable of 3. Stop engaging. DO NOT ENGAGE if possible

[@sonialinsey8083]

I wouldn’t try to even reason with this nutter. I would call the cops.

[@MrJpaynebb]

Set up security cameras inside to record visual and sound. Contact the landlord about moving to a new apartment. If possible get a gun and go train with it to be prepared. Get a CHL if possible.

[@dragonleheart2137]

A simple rubber door stop (the triangle wedge) pushed under your door from the inside when it is closed and you are on the inside can buy you a few seconds to get to a phone or baseball bat if they keep trying your door. Coming to the door with keys served multiple purposes including seeing if OP was home, checking to see if the key to the other unit would work on OP’s door, and giving a plausible excuse of “sorry, wrong apartment” if caught. The power drill worries me because if they didn’t use it to screw the couch to the patio to avoid suspicion as I can come up with many nefarious reasons to use it instead. On an even stranger note if OP can get a sample of the dirt/soil I would check to see if it is really soil or if not (read as could it be waste from a drug making operation or possibly cremated remains). Most high schools and colleges have microscopes which could be used to get a bit more information. Most far fetched explanation I have considered so far: did these people pull up floor boards using the power drill/screwdriver to bury those who received a compassionate death from them, then put the boards back down and hosted the excited dancing parties so people would literally be dancing on their grave? No matter the answer I hope OP is able to have peace in the near future.

[@flyboy6392]

@@dragonleheart2137 I would also recommend, if at all possible with the lease and state legislation, get a gun, possibly more than one, and put them in easy-access safes near places you commonly are

[@GMAMEC]

OP is doing work for the attorney, landlord, and management. It’s great that they are documenting so much. Amongst other things, this is considered a “constructive eviction” and likely violates the lease terms. OP has a right to peaceful accommodations and a safe environment. Asking them to write a letter to the tenant was NOT the right advice. That is their job. IF that ceiling is compromised, the owners will be liable. If OP is in fear of their safety and well-being, the landlord/owners/manager have a duty to provide reasonable accommodations. OP needs to consult an attorney, and ask for temporary lodging, until the matter is resolved. If the owner is wise, they should have some kind of insurance (liability, property, and riders) to cover these kind of expenses.

[@callmenev1347]

Oh dear, OP should definitely get some kind of door jammer that they can use in case they ever do get it unlocked. And continue to use it after they're gone because they'll undoubtedly hold a grudge and their sanity/morals is more than a little suspect at this point let alone then they spiral further

[@TheSh1nyZoroark]

At this point, they should also look at their local laws. Hopefully, there is a self-defense law in their area, and if so, buy a firearm. I can't tell where they're from, but I think they may be from an English speaking country. And if they are in Illinois, they should look up what constitutes murder two. Just as a way to protect themselves and their property.

[@aprilrichards762]

@@TheSh1nyZoroark Either get a firearm or keep something like a trench knife with you. Pepper spray or a taser would work. When I was waiting to move home after a conflict in my building I slept with a trench knife under my pillow and my hand near it.

[@jmjedi923]

@@TheSh1nyZoroark that's what I was thinking. Might not be a bad idea to look into concealed carry classes either

[@heatherdickau5335]

I would think the apartment company that is allowing this to go on so long is opening themselves up to a lawsuit. The OP is in danger from these people and the damaged ceiling. They should have offered her a place to stay until things are fixed. She needs to get a lawyer and a restraining order if possible.

[@artemishallihan8973]

This is either the best or worst story to listen to after watching Midsomar. This is literally neighbors out of my nightmares

[@Logitah]

It's like a combination of Midsommar and Rosemary's baby! 😨

[@ellarrie0]

i couldn’t place my finger on what this story reminded me of until you mentioned midsommar! so freaky

[@bruuh0_0]

That's a title you don't see everyday

[@MarkNarrations]

Hah I know right

[@blair2743]

@@MarkNarrations I like to think that for every story channels like yours read, there are at least a dozen more that you can't read mostly because of KZbin's overbearing rules. How you do it, I have no idea. 😅

[@MarkNarrations]

@@blair2743 Most of the time I just go for it but there are some stories where I get half way through and it mentions something REALLY shady and I'm just like "nope!"

[@ZikedY]

@@MarkNarrations I'd like to know those stories for research purposes

[@blair2743]

@@MarkNarrations I've seen the kinds of stories you're referring to and I know what you mean. No thanks 🤣

[@kitarrah1422]

Before the update, I'm just going to put in a comment about something that popped into my head... What if it's not dirt that they are spreading around? What if it's ASHES from cremations?! I mean, OP mentioned that the couple and these people are into "compassionate death". 😰 Edit: Creepy happy birthday song gave me the shivers. 😱🥶

[@83gemm]

Yeah, WTF is a compassionate death group?

[@kitarrah1422]

@@83gemm I think it's where they agree with assisted ending of life and such.

[@gmun2248]

@@83gemm Supporting 'death with dignity' - the right of the patient to choose when to die instead of suffering from physically or neurologically degenerative disease to the extreme and dying a slow and unwanted death. The debate itself is valid. It is legal in some US states, and some countries, but with strict parameters. To have a choice in what happens to you (& when) after receiving a terminal diagnosis is something many people would support. Strange cultish groups getting involved does not help with straightforward discussions about the topic though.

[@83gemm]

@@gmun2248 OH! Ok. Yeah I’m totally in favor of that. But there are cults for it? That’s… weird….

[@plasmocat1863]

@@83gemm Probably cults for it where it's not legal to practice.

[@lizfritz6546]

This is gonna be a true crime case shared by every true crime podcasters/youtubers and gonna end up with its own netflix series in 5 years. So OP needs to LEAVE before she becomes a victim. Like I’m literally going to vomit this is so horrifying. Girl GO!

[@melaniederr6053]

OP should get a camera for outside their door like a ring camera where they can watch live and have video evidence of the stalking. They should also make a report to the police about being stalked by mustache guy and neighbors to have on file in case things escalate

[@amysunday0]

Not the building manager asking to make direct contact 💀 That was literally the worst move in my opinion, these people could be dangerous. Do not engage any further, you could be putting yourself in danger

[@sandranowak5080]

My 1st thought when she said they were drilling over that spot was that they may be putting in a camera through the ceiling to spy on her

[@plasmocat1863]

👀👀👀👀

[@bossladysj]

That's the same thought I had. The management isn't doing enough to ensure her safety. I'd request a move to another unit immediately.

[@deborahpichardo1547]

Now that's paranoid

[@Russman67]

This situation has pole vaulted well into crazy territory. The best advice I could offer would be keep documenting everything and stay away from these people. They are already watching OP's coming and going. 👀 Freaking insane.

[@WitchThorn]

Honestly if I was OP I would have my phone recording anytime I left or returned home, if nothing happens delete the recording, if anything does happen you have more evidence... because its starting to get really sinister... theyre getting others to watch the place....

[@sweetoleander9048]

Yes, that's really good advice. Best to be prepared

[@shadowbear123]

I wonder if OP could possibly start calling in noise complaints with the authorities? On one hand, that has the possibility of escalating the situation, but on the other it's more documentation that this is an issue, and if anything happens to OP in the future, like something of theirs is intentionally damaged, the cops have a record of someone who has been an issue nearby? Maybe at least go give a statement to the police Also, maybe see of the insta friend is willing to record more of the patio for whatever's going on in the house? If not for evidence, at least for OP to see wtf is going on there

[@janglesthearsonist5265]

I wish more people on reddit would show some kind of documentation when it comes to interactions that could lead to legal problems or solutions. Kudos to the OP, I don't think I've ever seen so much actual photo/audio/video evidence!

[@maddy8328]

That stomping is truly disgusting. I would have called so many sound complaints already. They have purposely damaged your ceiling. They sound insane with the stalking and fake happiness. Keep at eye out OP

[@Sonicanimefan1]

This trend of escalation in behavior is alarming. The neighbors already established they are not above confrontation... I am legit concerned they may try "other" methods of "silencing" her..

[@ljh5141]

Now anxious for the update and hoping that OP is safe and doing well.

[@floraposteschild4184]

"I'm living below cult leaders..." MOVE! NOW! In 2022, why would you even have a question?

[@mcyeetus6933]

That recording reminds me of the time the couple who lived below my family at the start playing really loud music around 10 at night (we often could hardly hear ourselves think over their music). My mum had enough that day got my 8 year old self out of bed (was awake anyway due to music) we went in the living room with my aunt and cousins, turned the music up loud and jumped around for 10 minutes to piss off the couple. Their music went down and didn't get load again after 9 pm ever again. My mum did go to all other joining flats (apartments) the next day to apologise for the noise. They all found it funny because everyone was sick of the couple and thought it was a brilliant idea and said make sure you do it again if they take the piss. The happy birthday was just creepy.

[@mcyeetus6933]

I feel like all the people liking this comment have all had neighbours like this couple

[@Nyanx4]

Several Points of Advice for OP (long read): I have a cult in my town, and I participate in estatic dance. At the very least, in my experience, estatic dance is usually just... dancing. Like, having fun to music. When it gets "spiritual" is when I suspect drugs are involved which is a good reason to avoid your neighbor. She might be under the influence of something, and could be unpredictable. Not all drugs cause people to be violent or anything, but you have no idea what she could be on. Best to avoid confrontations and, really, conversations. Secondly, in regards to the cult-aspect, you need to stop engaging with them. At all. Stop texting them. Stop talking to them. But don't antagonize them, do not be rude, but try to use some tools from the Grey Rock method if you can. You may need to bite your tongue for things that are annoying you, but the alternative is to put yourself at risk. Additionally, it might not be a bad idea to invest in some basic recording devices in your house that you can use while away. One for audio, and a few for video. This way, you can still collect evidence while not putting yourself at risk for engaging with the neighbors. Ask your landlord if they would help you install them or if they would be okay with it in the first place. Thirdly, it sounds like they may have keys or were fiddling with your lock towards the end of the post. That is very scary. Put a door stopper- a rubber one or a heavier brick, in front of your door when you are inside. Always lock your door. This will give you more time to prepare if someone is at your door. While generally I would advice not staying in a place that is at risk of being broken into, if you don't have someone else to stay with, I would suggest making several hiding places. Try to make them comfortable for yourself- a pillow or a blanket and a bottle of water. This can be a bathroom, a closet, or a large cabinet if you are frightened. _Always_ have your phone on you and charged. If you do hear someone at the door who is not knocking or may be fiddling with your door: - Do not engage if you hear anything suspicious and _find one of your places to hide._ - _Use your phone to call for help_ the second you feel unsafe. - _Turn the phone volume down as much as you can (your ringer too), and speak quietly into it._ Explain your concerns without playing the situation down- that someone may be trying to get into your house or is testing your keys and you feel unsafe. Your choice whether you call the police or your landlord. - Begin recording if you have a phone that can both call and record at the same time. Your eyewitness testimony definitely is useful, but what is more rock-solid is a recording of someone trying to get into your house or people trying to crack your ceiling. If someone does make it into your house or the ceiling gets much worse, you should ask a friend or a family member to stay at their place temporarily if you can. With your recordings and an explanation, I don't see why they'd turn you down. Heck, I'd even say to do that preemptively, but it all depends on your situation. Have a small bag of essentials to take with you at a moments' notice. Google Go Bag for a basic list. Make sure you have any medications and an extra phone charger in there in case you need to leave quickly. Good luck OP, stay safe and stay away from your neighbors.

[@Claire8483]

This comment should be higher. Very good advice

[@SilverStar985]

If I may add, don't use disposable water bottles like what you buy full at gas stations. Those are LOUD. Get one or two cheap reusable ones, maybe whatever dollar store equivalent you have in your area, that you can open almost soundlessly if you need to. Have at least 2 hiding spots if possible, maybe see if you can put up a nondescript false wall in the closet or fake cupboards under your bed and get a small light you can use if you're sure you're alone and have to be in there until whoever you called as back up arrives. Don't use the light if you think someone is still in the apartment, and a red light would help avoid blinding you if you had to use it. If possible, stash a portable charger and power pack for your phone so you don't need to worry about the battery life. Good luck and be safe!

[@Nyanx4]

@@SilverStar985 Very smart advice regarding the water bottle. Not everyone has the resources for a false wall, nor might they have permission of the landlord. This is an apartment, after all. However, if you are allowed one and can afford one, it's not a terrible idea to have it no matter what house you are in.

[@Nyanx4]

@@Claire8483 Thanks much. Cults are no joke- they can be scary and threatening. Best to have a few plans of escape. I'm lucky enough that my house has multiple closets and a crawlspace if we need it. Geting everyone into the crawlspace is the scary part though.

[@sweetoleander9048]

Great advice, hope OP see this.

[@michamocha]

Honestly, I think it's best for Op to look for new living arrangements or staying with a friend for awhile because I don't think it will be safe for her to be around for when everything comes to a head. I don't want to scare her or anything, but it's incredibly concerning how from the very start they purposefully stalk her out until they can talk to her alone. My advice to her: 1. Like many others said, lay low. If possible, keep friends, boyfriend, and family in the loop and stay with them if possible. 2. Do not, under any circumstances, engage with them more than you already have. If you come home and notice them pulling the same creepy move of waiting for you outside of the apartment, turn around and leave. Sit in your car if you have to but I think it's best to call someone to walk you to your apartment. It's worrying how she seemed to wait until you had your door opened. 3. If you are in the financial situation that will allow it, I think it's just best to start look for a new apartment altogether. This doesn't sound worth it to stick around even after they've been kicked if that's the path that the management is aiming to take. They could potentially retaliate out of anger since they already know you're involved. I really hope things go smoothly and without any further issues out of these two, but please, stay safe and take care.

[@lilypaddington1797]

Stay safe OP, this is perhaps more dangerous than you would think by going through it. Especially that "knocking incident" as you call it. They obviously won't make any direct threats because they know you would document it, but you could be in real danger. PLEASE get someone to stay with you 24/7 while this plays out, you can't afford to be caught on your own again.

[@ElleriaZer]

I'm sort of worried about where the ceiling cracks are forming. Are they forming along support beams? Are the neighbors or their guests suddenly going to fall through from above? I suggest not being in whatever room they're jumping above. If there's cracks on your side, how much more damage is their floor taking?

[@JustAnotherBuckyLover]

Hopefully it's just the plaster cracking as the ceiling/floor flexes but yeah, it's gonna depend on how the building is built and having had plasterboard etc smash me in the head after a builder came through the loft floor and my bedroom ceiling, it's DEFINITELY not something you want to happen.

[@mbyerly9680]

If building management has no clue that hoards of strangers are converging on an apartment for "sessions," they don't have security worth spit. I would not feel safe in this place.

[@iSmileyPerson]

If possible OP- maybe consider getting a Ring doorbell. They’ve made one that you can attach to the peep hole on your door so that you don’t have to drill into any walls or anything. That way you could have footage of them doing anything creepy. It might also deter them from doing anything since there’d be a camera focused on them. You can also purchase contact sensors for the Ring alarm that you put on the frame of doors and windows so you get alerted if someone is entering.

[@owl7072]

Story 1: Listening to the audio, I totally get why Op would think it's an elliptical or something, but that paired with everything else? ✨️Absolutely not✨️ Edit: No because why was the happy birthday part _exactly_ how I heard it in my head

[@DrFunkman]

Benefit of the doubt. “The people above me are performing a cult ritual” is one of those guesses that you use as a final explanation.

[@sonialinsey8083]

I used to go to ecstatic dance at my yoga studio. That stuff is a cult on the low end of participation. Dang I just wanted to dance 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Nyanx4]

@@sonialinsey8083 It's really strange- estatic dance was never culty for me. It's literally just "anyone got some music they like? Let's make a playlist and dance for 30 minutes". The end result can be some weird song setups, but they usually flow pretty nicely. It's nothing spiritual, either. Maybe I lucked out with the group I have.

[@bgcorporation]

Update 2: Nope lol. I'm getting a lawyer and started the process of suing the damn management.

[@callistocallipso7043]

That "rebrand yourself, surrender yourself" in that voice took me by surprise, ngl :D

[@novabrilliant4510]

Yikes 😬 My husband's said if he was dealing with it, he'd plan a blowout house party with a bunch of patch wearing bikers. I'd put that Cbat on a loop while they were having their "sessions." After seven months of thinking I was in the clear, I need another biopsy. Will be binge listening while I clean. You always brighten my day, Mark 😊

[@mindyschocolate]

Oh yeah, blasting CBAT 😂😂😂

[@novabrilliant4510]

@@mindyschocolate that would be my ritual as long as they kept it up

[@dracawyn]

OP NEEDS TO UPDATE THIS IMMEDIATELY. ARE THEY OKAY??? WHAT HAPPENS NEXT???

[@MarkNarrations]

Well OPs last comment was from last night so they may have another update this evening. I'll keep my eyes peeled!

[@heathermiller5765]

@Dracawyn I had a similar thought as yours

[@jppurves7837]

Hey Mark, this is the craziest Reddit story ever. We definitely need a final update on this one when it happens. Be sure to let us know as soon as it comes through.

[@ComaLies225]

Holy guacamole that audio recording is kind of creepy

[@MarkNarrations]

I know right? Like horror movie shiz

[@PrincessAfrica3]

It has a whole blair witch project ambience

[@Kai-uj5go]

The recording bit you added to the video sounded like shoes in a dryer to me haha. Still pre update while writing just had to share that haha

[@MarkNarrations]

Haha now that you mentioned it I can't unhear it

[@taylorslade961]

OP, get a Ring camera and keep recording. Ask your friend on the third floor if she can gather evidence too. Good luck and let us know what happens!

[@dandotvid]

Some people are oblivious to structural integrity of buildings. No, you cannot have countless people jumping up and down for hours at a time day after day and see no signs of weakening of a structure. The neighbors are crazy. If they want to host stuff like that, you rent out a studio not use your apartment.

[@j.graham8068]

I commend OP for being so calm and practical throughout this ordeal. I simply could not live with this and not react very badly, having PTSD around just this kind of noise. Hoping to hear the end of this one!

[@paulagoeringer9466]

Are you sure it's only dirt? I really hope it's not cremains. She sounds batty enough.

[@hydranoid2009]

That was my first thought too. That they're spreading ashes or God forbid burying remains in the dirt. They sound insane and dangerous

[@Mewse1203]

This is a wildly scary story... And that "Happy Birthday" was the creepiest thing I've ever heard...

[@fleurpouvior2967]

The cult part is most terrifying. Peoplein a cult are very scary, andvery dangerous. They are no longer in touch with reality, or even their own moral compass. Every thought and action is tied to the will of the leader, who's morality is surrounding benifiting themselves. I recommend calling the police, and taking copies of the police report to the landlord. If the landlord objects to letting op out of the lease, get a lawyer to write a letter to the landlord, using the police reports as evidence to push the issue. Most places have laws in place about resident safety. The landlord is no longer able to garuntee resident safety, the contract is void

[@KittinPyro]

Op please get out of that apartment! You are not safe! With cracks like that grow so rapidly, that ceiling could collapse on top of you anytime. If your in that room when that happens, any number of things could fall on top of you! A couch, a Table, a dresser, end table, not to mention people! Please go stay with a friend or relative for your own safety!

[@sweetoleander9048]

The part where OP says how the couple followed her to her door and waited as she unlocked it. Please, please do not do that again. They could wait for you to unlock door and go in after you. At least in the hallway people might better here if you shouted for help. Stay safe.

[@enemyoffun]

This story reminds me a lot about my mother's former upstairs neighbor. He used to bang bongos every night from 8-10pm. They were loud but not overly disturbing. They were a bit annoying but my mother never complained. Finally one day, the man came up to her and apologized then asked if the noise bothered her. She told him it didn't but he agreed to keep it down. That's what a sane, rational person does when this situation arises. By the way, he was true to his word and after that, they weren't as loud. He sadly moved away and now my mother has a group of girls who live above her and who jump around like its the Olympics.

[@samvoss6697]

I've never been more invested in a Reddit story before

[@chaos_bringer24]

That recording was scary I thought they were summoning a mobile home

[@wildone9946]

Op should probably put in a police report in case this gets worse. They need to make sure it's reported in case they start retaliating. Especially with the door jiggling and key fumbling

[@holyek7892]

Hilarious! This story is ridiculous! OP had all the right to vacate the apt at the cost of the landlord. It's damaged and it's not OP's fault.

[@theresepankey9978]

Advise: check with your mgt group and get them to move you. You may need a lawyer to help get this done, but that ceiling looks to have structural damage. Possibly suggest that if that ceiling comes down on you, they may be looking at a whole other legal problem. That alone should get you to a safer apt away from the crazies. Then mgt can put recording devices in your old apt and get their own evidence instead of involving you.

[@SeraphsGenisis]

This is fucking creepy and I hope OP stays safe in the midst of this chaos.

[@stellamccoy5259]

Reminds me of the story where the upstairs neighbor was lifting weight and then fell through the ceiling. Be careful cause they might fall through.

[@RB-cj1vj]

I only have one question, why haven’t she called the police? They would have made reports to back her up so she could sue the neighbors or at least had a paper trail and a few complaint numbers to follow up with her paperwork for management. Wishing you all the best.

[@janedoe885]

Honestly this sounds like a 'make sure contractors deal with the damage/eviction is in-progress and hide in a hotel or with friends for the meantime' situation. Between the stalking and the threat of ceiling collapse, OP's place isn't safe. Also carry pepper spray/an easily pressed alarm horn for a bit.

[@ThatsViews]

That ceiling looks on the point of collapse. I think the local government needs to be brought in.

[@albertgongora6944]

Dude that part them with the recording not 100% through the story just yet but that is just creepy and just completely off the wall bad shit crazy I can't wait to see how this gets resolved because these people sound like they're off their rocker

[@impagain]

When you said that was their last update I was terrified, I thought OP was dead now 😭 so glad you've been in contact with them

[@moonbear5929]

They've got to be breaking rules in the lease, and if they are, that's terms for eviction. Unfortunately, it can take a long time to legally evict a tenant. The building manager/owners have to get their ducks in a row. It helps to give them really good evidence, times, dates, length of time of each infraction. Write it all like a journal with video and audio evidence to back up anything you write about. Living in an apartment can be the worst sometimes. I don't know how these people can move into an apartment, do these crazy rituals and events and think no one is going to complain about it. This is something you do way out in the country some where, where you're not bothering neighbors. I've had some nutters living above me some times too, one of them were particularly bad! Some have been no real problem at all.

[@yesthatmousyiris4887]

Don't the cult people realize one day their stomping is going to destroy the ceiling and they'll fall?

[@mcoyer08]

There’s one more update, then nothing. I’m basically now convinced that OP is dead at the hands of the neighbors

[@CorinneStephens]

I would seriously believe this was complete fanfiction if not for the recordings. This is honestly one of the craziest Reddit stories I've seen

[@amandastout1948]

As for advice, I guaran-damn-tee you these parties have a cover charge. Get ahold of a friend who has not visited you and they won't know to "infiltrate" and prove these folks upstairs are essentially running a business your apartment isn't zoned for, then tell your landlord you plan to get the city involved.

[@stuffedninja1337]

I reeeeeeeeeally wish this had updates Also OP needs to look into what kind of weapons civilians are allowed to own in their area, then get at least 3 and start carrying them everywhere/in their bag/have one by the door Some kind of security camera watching the front door (from the inside, so if the neighbor ambushes her again) might also be a good idea >>;;;

[@BitterSimplicity]

Temporary deadbolt, some kind of security camera, and suggest getting the dirt and sludge forensically tested. This is freaky. Also see if you can get the complex to swing you a hotel room until the ceiling is fixed, this seems like a major hazard waiting to happen. Also, get an airtag or something similar. Keep it on you and give someone you trust access to the location, just in case. Don't outright ignore texts from the neighbor, but don't initiate conversation and gray rock in your responses to avoid antagonizing her directly.

[@Plaprad]

That final bit tells me something was found that takes this beyond annoying neighbors.

[@brandi5126]

" *Rebrand yourself* " 😂

[@rylashadow18]

I honestly hope the OP is doing their best to stay safe. Would the management be okay with ring door bells being installed after this incident as well as security camera's? It's a way to ensure not only the safety of the tenants but also ensure they have evidence of any damages that these peanut factory rejects are causing. I also hope that OP is being accomendated on with their rent/ living arrangements. It's absolutely horrid to have people doing this kind of stuff and blantantly not care for the damage. I also hope the OP's being allowed people to stay with them for the time being to ensure they feel safe. I'd reccomend dash cams both front and rear ones perferrable ones with audio as well as indoor recording for security and safety. Stay on top of the documentation and if you don't feel safe call a friend/Bf over so you have more than your own point of view on this. Finally I feel so sorry for the OP having to go through this. Here's to there being a wonderful update in the future.

[@nvfury13]

9:30 “You are becoming…the Game Master” as someone who has spent over thirty years as the Dungeon Master/Game Master, this would make me go looking for my dice.

[@tired1375]

I don't know any legal things but for physical safety. 1. Look into hotel door locks and window alarms. The hotel types of door lock will be inside the house and make you feel safer in your home. Extra window locks/alarms will do the same. 2. Think about storing valubles and id elsewhere just in case possibly in a safe if it has to be in house put a tracker in the safe if its one they can just pick up and walk away with. 3. Lock down socials never tell them where you work 4. Inform your workplace of a possible stalker so they don't give any info out about you 5. When going into/leaving the house have a friend/partner on the line but not talking listen to your surroundings maybe say something here and there so they know your talking to someone 6. Look at stalking forms they will have better info and more suited for you specifically I know this is scary but do your best to protect yourself and keep your sanity. Cults are fucking terrifing and the more that they are focused on your landlord the safer you are. Also turn off Bluetooth on everything they can use that to see if you are home or not.

[@koree1594]

Please tell me they have a ring doorbell! That will capture activity outside their door so they’re not caught unaware & any harassment-like the door pounding. Also, if you can’t get someone to stay home with you, please try to stay somewhere else for at least a few days (preferably with your ring installed).

[@onepieceisking5493]

The fact that they keep lying, trying to cover up whatever their doing is very suspicious. They even kept doing whatever their doing and pretty sure they've been trying to intimidate and get her to stop when THEIR causing all this investigation in the first place. They have no one to blame but themselves once they get evicted.

[@copercurlz]

Holly molly that is a wild story! I can't believe that these people started a cult in an apartment. There's not much advice I can give besides don't act overly hostile or rude to your neighbor. Cult members and leaders are not sane people. She may be trying to convert you as well. Avoid her as much as you can. She is a dangerous person and I'd hate to see OP get hurt. Best of luck to you and stay strong. Don't be afraid to leave for a few days if you get scared. Stay safe!

[@rachelwatson3339]

I would say leave a recording device going when your out as well cause when your not home it gets more intense so you have even more evidence even if its a crap burner phone its still something getting them closer to being evicted.

[@lalalachris]

Imagine insisting in having an outdoor lifestyle in a damn apartment

[@GBunnyG]

I needed a "no beverage" warning before your voice modulated "Rebrand yourself".

[@MarkNarrations]

Apologies bunny 😄

[@TheNormExperience]

…ok, who else listening was thinking the cult killed someone and put the remains in like a flower bed on their patio?

[@absolutelyridiculous6743]

Oh my GOSH. I feel so sorry for OP, this is terrifying

[@zachf748]

OP shouldn’t have had to do all the legwork and confront her neighbor. The best part of renting is being able to make management deal with it; so you don’t have to directly confront neighbors and fear escalation or retaliation or just plain awkwardness of having to see those people after confronting them.

[@frozenheart7133]

If he was eager to act, he would have sent a cease and desist already.

[@TheArmyOfGoats]

As someone who WAS in a cult.. and as someone who spent their remaining years fighting cults.. I strongly suggest OP record EVERYTHING. Like.. just keep your phone recording all day even when you are by yourself.

[@Prettypoisonswitch]

I will always stick by "Ghosts don't scare me , PEOPLE fucking scare me! People are way more scary than any ghost could be!" This video has demonstrated this once again. 😱

[@crowdemon_archives]

Yea, well, most ghosts actually prefer to mind their own business, unlike people lol

[@plasmocat1863]

“rebrand yourself surrender yourself” Oh god. That was too effective. I'd already consulted a cpl of focus groups for feedback, commissioned a complete logo redesign and submitted it for trademark, and was planning the launch date events when I remembered it was just Mark. I'm keeping the logo, though. It's nice. 😀

[@mindyschocolate]

“Rebrand yourself” 😂😂😂😂🤣 yeah, report those whackos to the management. They should be evicted. They can do those rituals on a farm.

[@geekfreak2000]

document, report, don't engage. if the harassment keeps up sue the couple and the complex

[@rosaazure]

OP needs to get security cameras to record everything that is happening in the apartment, keep a record of when the loud music and dancing and how long it goes on for. Document the stalking tricks to report to the police. If the building manager doesn't do anything send the photo evidence to whoever enforces building codes. If there's danger of the ceiling collapsing code enforcement should know about it.

[@AB-hz2pb]

Those people are 100% spreading and dancing in ashes. I just know it! OP get out of there!

[@Cheycartoongirl8]

Hey Mark and Waffle Gang! Man, what a crazy story the first one was! Halloween Life Hack: (repost!) Wanna make your shrubs, bushes and plants more spooky? Take some toilet paper tubes, cut some eyes into them, and put some battery powered tea lights inside! You'll get some spooky glowing eyes at night!

[@catlovercami717]

Hahahaha what a great idea! Although you might wanna put a little Scotchgard on there in case of rain

[@TheMistressofevil]

You can use glowsticks too if you want to have coloured glowing eyes instead of just the tealights, and they'll still work if it rains/snows without fear of water getting into the electronics

[@plasmocat1863]

That would be very creepy. Especially since my neighbors know I don't have any bushes/plants in my yard. Imagine how they're going to feel when Halloween's over and the landscaping disappears, and I'm like "What plants? Are you talking about my place? I've never had any plants in my yard." My face straight, showing mild concern with a dash of curiosity.

[@LusterDust]

This is the type of creepy shit you find in the juiciest of true crime stories. I wouldn't have been able to to hide my disdain at her bold-faced lying.

[@Jenifer_R_]

The birthday song was a clever strategy. Counter-maneuver: Demand a piece of the birthday cake as compensation for the disturbance.

[@jas6940]

I have temper issues when I feel cornered or patronized so that lady’s fake smile would have made me put my foot on her neck

[@BigL_TheKing]

Stay strong OP. Holy shit this is freaky

[@brigidtheirish]

1: Jeez. *Don't talk to creepy people!* I'll grant, I've got a lifetime of paranoia backing me up and I *still* got myself in a situation where I was (very mildly) sexually assaulted from *ignoring* all the warning klaxons going on in my head. But, *please,* for the love of all that is good and *safe* in this world, *don't feed the crazies!* Learn some self-defense, get a taser, *protect yourself!*

[@Ash-kp8rt]

This feels like it's set up to become a horror movie. I'm also surprised OP never called the cops.

[@rebekahbell4298]

No advice OP, just empathy. My upstairs neighbor is nowhere near as bad, but he slams his bed or smth on the floor randomly in the middle of the night, sometimes multiple times and for days in a row (once causing the ceiling light cover to shatter over me and my 7 month old during morning snuggles), screamed at my husband for a phone convo he was having, and stomped above my sons crib when he was an infant. Plus we can hear him pee. Hopefully we both get better upstairs neighbors soon

[@minacat7929]

The building manager probably doesn't own the building. I wonder if she has been taking money from those tenants to look the other way.

[@Sifya]

i was wonder the same, i have never seen an owener fine with such damange

[@kelleynymph]

My question: why did they never get the police involved in this? Or is this in some other country where police are not an option?

[@JustAnotherBuckyLover]

This left me feeling genuinely anxious. I can't imagine what it's doing to the OP. I hope she's okay and they get her removed ASAP. I want to know what was under the patio.

[@sukuna-]

Ikr after hearing and watching this recording and videos i felt anxious in my own room and i live in different country than op😰

[@Prettypoisonswitch]

Holy shit! She needs to get out of there! It's literally a safety issue! That crack in the ceiling is huge!

[@JuniperJadePR]

I'm so scared for OP & hope that they can stay safe somehow.