I Love the Dune Movies... BUT

[@ares106]

It bothered me the most that Alia didn’t kill the Baron, or really exist in the world. I also wish Sardaukar and the Emperor would have put up more of a fight during the last battle.

[@jackredathewarp]

@@ares106 a time jump would have helped. You get Leto II and Alia. But they probably hated having to use too old of an actress or a cgi version. Maybe a combo would have been convincing but too much work when a simpler solution was at hand.

[@toddharkey486]

They're saving her for Messiah

[@jackcrosby2437]

I liked how they handled Alia. I just think it was too much to throw that concept in when u have the next movie to go more into it. I was never a fan of how the Baron died in the books, it just felt really cartoonish. But I do agree I wish the Sardukar put more of a fight. I wish we saw more of that whole battle, cuz we don’t even see Paul in it. I wish the throne room scene with the Emperor and the Baron was longer. My biggest gripe is the Emperor not saying “My dear Baron” in the movie lol

[@thomriley1036]

Let's be real, Walken got to play Shaddam IV because of 'Weapon of Choice' by Fatboy Slim.

[@Jarnagua]

So much conformity on the web to praise these new Dune movies. Cudos to you for having the bravery and integrity to voice your critiques of these adaptations. I too wish the banquet scene made final cut. That would have been a true accomplishment. Great actors. Great visuals. Great sound, but the script is blah. Lynch was much more visionary by far. Especially in the spice dream sequences. Bottom line, after Jessica puked, I was done. The Chani ending was horrid. aGreat job! Great insights.

[@andreagancia351]

I enjoyed both movies, but they don't feel as two pars of a whole. The first is just a lot of takeoffs/flights/landings over story (visuals over dialogue, as you said) and the second suffers from weak characters (Emperor and Irulan are useless, Stilgar becomes a meme, the Baron is there just to prop up Feyd) and wasted plot points (no Leto II, the final scene without Alia or Thufir). I wish we could have had the 5 hour epic Lynch wanted but instead we got a lot of eyecandy.

[@tombuilder1475]

I agree with most of your critique. I too read it as kid like 40 years ago and just finished re-reading the whole series.

[@knightonart8886]

I'm currently having fun with writing an accurate screenplay of Dune as a 10 episode season. Each episode would be at least an hour long. The episode list: 1. Gom Jabbar 2. A Traitor in your midst 3. Wormsign 4. Terrible Purpose 5. Into the Desert 6. Muad'dib 7. The Hand that holds the Poison 8. Sandrider 9. Gathering Storm 10. Kwisatz Haderach

[@jackredathewarp]

@@knightonart8886 10 episode series would have been the best approach.

[@lsd_cloudman7957]

​@@jackredathewarp Well there's a 3 part miniseries from the 2000s that's pretty thorough and accurate

[@ChrisisisB]

Yeah, the emperor bothered me quite a bit. And also Stilgar. In the books he is a doubter that becomes an ally, then a friend and finally a believer and the last step he loses a part of himself. But in Dune 2, he is just a one-trick believer. Only seen the movie once, but I did not like it.

[@dererzherzog]

Stilgar is kinda comic relief character in dune 2, although really enjoyable.

[@bee_jay]

One very clear difference between Lynch's Dune and Villeneuve's Dune is the lack of audible thought processes in the latter. Whenever I watch Lynch's Dune (as much as the Gen Xer in me loves it), many of the thoughts of the characters feels a lot like exposition for the uninitiated. Sometimes it's so much exposition it acts as a bit of a spoiler, like Jessica's thoughts in the examination room with Yueh when he mentions the Harkonnens and his wife: "They must have killed her. [looks at him grimace] He's holding something back... but there [looks at his forehead and sees the Suk School diamond tattoo] the Imperial Seal of Conditioning, the assurance of trust." How's the #foreshadowing on that last bit? So, Villeneuve does away with the thoughts, so with Paul's scene with Mohiam it's almost a no-brainer that he's also going through the litany of fear in his head. I thought they did a great job having Jessica recite it instead outside - that way we still get to hear it since it's mostly in Paul's head in the book, and this movie obviously isn't doing that. But the important thoughts (like this) they find way's to bring it to the audience. Similarly "He will know your ways as if born to them" is muttered by Kynes in Chakobsa.

[@shaunashton5434]

I watched the first a few times. Tolerating 3 actors in it that do not work for me. I can't grasp the Stilgar madness in the second movie. The second half of the second movie I found rushed and not Dune. I have zero desire to watch either ever again. Visually interesting. Pacing, chouces and actors spoilled the illusion

[@skytalker2b351]

Nailed it! Much prefer the 84 film and tv series. But, there were things I liked about these new films

[@jgg088]

Yor comment on the litany against fear was great. I have not seen much discussion around this. if youve read the book its hugely impactful. it feels like a cool quip in the movies Kudos

[@remurraymd]

Book reader X 60 years. Tech was good in the movie. BUT left out a lot of the most important plot points.

[@derekstack7479]

I had forgotten that the fremen knew about the traitor. Did they ever explain where the fremen got that info, and is there a way to work that into the board game?

[@jackredathewarp]

@@derekstack7479 fremen captured Harks in the mountains. There are some ways to get intel on traitors, but nothing intrinsically Fremen.

[@michaelevans1578]

I appreciate your analysis and certainly respect your opinion. I've read the original six books several times over the years and have a fondness of the Lynch film. I loved the new movies and felt the compromises that were made in the films made them more accessible to new audiences. I did not feel shortchanged and am glad we were able to see two movies from Frank Herbert's universe come to life. My wife is not a reader of the books and loved both films. She did not like the Lynch film, but has become interested in reading the books now.

[@jackredathewarp]

@@michaelevans1578 yeah, it’s clear that this was the goal, and ultimately I feel it is successful. I simply think it could have been a tiny bit more successful!

[@toddharkey486]

Jessica vomits because she's pregnant. Even the Bene Gesserit succumb to morning sickness.

[@tombuilder1475]

it is not in the book!

[@jackredathewarp]

Transmuting poisons without antidotes is a bit more challenging than morning sickness. In the book, she is caught in a cave in and manages to not breath for a loooong time while Paul digs her out. Her upchucking is absurd.

[@toddharkey486]

@@jackredathewarp You've obviously never been pregnant. Jessica succumbs to human frailties throughout the books and movies. The impressive set of skills she possesses does not immune her to every weakness. Her failing to completely master her body in this particular instance is not absurd.

[@jackredathewarp]

@ I get it. But it isn’t true to her character.

[@themikereda]

I'm obviously of a different era but I could barely get through the Lynch version (not just because of the writing and dialogue) and I come to Dune from the point of view of a "normie" and the new movies were so much more easy for me to digest. It still took me two viewings each to fully understand what was happening, but I know for damn sure I'm never going back to rewatch the Lynch version.

[@jackredathewarp]

@@themikereda now read the boook!!

[@themikereda]

@@jackredathewarp I could never. My brain won't let me focus on dense text like that. I'd re-read the same paragraph 40 times and it still won't stick.

[@ToxicXYGamer]

@@themikereda sounds like you have tik-tok brain.

[@themikereda]

@ more like ADHD

[@toddharkey486]

The book is about so much more than Paul, Jessica, and the Fremen. The great disappointment in these movies for me is that it is solely about this siingle arc. We learn nothing about the Spacing Guild, and the treatment of the Mentat is criminal. To me, Thufir is far more interesting and pivotal than Duncan or Gurney. The very notion of what a Mentat is is non-existent is these movies, and the Baron's scheme to obtain Thufir is vital in his character development. It is that creepy bastard at his finest.

[@brandish_0003]

Kinda sad how little emphasis was put on them being harkonnens

[@ToxicXYGamer]

Isabella Moaner should have been cast as Chani. Not the wooden Zendaya.

[@The_Com-Mentor]

I just looked into it. Good call 👍

[@ToxicXYGamer]

@The_Com-Mentor thanks.

[@LolitaDavidovich934]

Lynch's DUNE IS TEN TIMES BETTER

[@jackredathewarp]

@@LolitaDavidovich934 well, I would say that is objectively not true but feel free to enjoy it ten times more.

[@Jarnagua]

Damn right! Denis's version is dumbed down, and all the weirdness removed for the sake of appealing to mass audience. Lynch is a genius director that takes great risks and dares to embrace the darkness and venture into the mystic.

[@jackcrosby2437]

Sound guns…

[@covert0overt_810]

the lynch movie is terrible… he disowned it… nuff said

[@rachelw1349]

Make mentats great again.

[@originalsainthood]

unnecessary dialogue. it’s a visual medium. the adaptation was made better because of it.