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[@GimR]

Arms can’t be grabbed and ROB got a tiny torso. Shield shift towards cloud and his arms push that way putting the space between Cloud and Rob’s body even further away

[@kava3957]

Shut up

[@BeAst12XD]

But cloud's Grab is also bad

[@Luis-ub9mg]

What are you supposed to do against rob shielding as cloud bruh

[@WesleyFiles]

The idea that arms aren't part of the math is absurd. We're ready for a new director. Enjoy the retirement Sakurai. Sayonara.

[@pierreaoun9600]

@@WesleyFilesthis is a crazy take lmao. If arms could be grabbed you would be getting grabbed from ridiculous ranges by even the smaller grabs in the game. This is just an unfortunate oversight.

[@MerryBlind]

I remember Marth and Lucina’s grab range being slightly buffed early on mainly to be able to grab Rob better. I guess that’s a problem with more characters…

[@MichaelA-cu8zg]

I remember when this happened to Mew2king, exact same reaction

[@michaelatkinson1949]

I had the same thought

[@girandidilone5226]

Naw I think the game is glitched rn I had my falco laser phase right through an opponent like wtf

[@ryan_raus]

You can see the ROB shield was shifted right. It’s almost like he knew this was a thing… EDIT: because as other comments have mentioned, it’s a combination of cloud’s grab being small and Rob’s shield being big/weird

[@Jankid329]

Same thing happens with fox

[@ryan_raus]

@@Jankid329 fox missing grabs or fox shifting his shield making it so grabs miss him?

[@zorthonthedevistaorscott2481]

I wish shields could be grabbed it makes so much sense. It looks like you can’t tho 😢

[@prodMAggs]

​@@zorthonthedevistaorscott2481 you could in smash bros 69

[@JiraiyaSanninPervySage]

Wait a minute so Foxes and Robs do this on purpose 😳

[@kingmidas6074]

I knew cloud’s grab was bad but not that bad

[@Spyder-Marth]

IT'S AWFUL

[@Ericspil790]

mid tier things

[@darthschradergg]

it's mainly a rob problem, as sephiroth also has problems stand-grabbing rob.

[@Kish_x2]

Bruh if they just SLIGHTLY increased clouds grab range he’d feel 10x more smooth to play

[@harpot678]

Isnt cloud dash grab broken or is it just a meme

[@Kish_x2]

@@harpot678 it comes out fast but sometimes things like what happened in the clip happen.

[@PurposeDriven7_]

@@Kish_x2 it’s trash

[@FuckingDracula]

LOL its a combination of cloud grab being awful and ROB shield being weird, the same thing can happen with marcina and chroy vs ROB as well

[@lightningquiz7924]

^

[@Boodabam]

It’s because he grabbed in the gap in rob’s body.

[@H20overflow]

Tf is marcina and chroy????

[@FuckingDracula]

@@H20overflow marth / lucina and chrom / roy

[@esausantibanez3702]

@@H20overflowfor real bro? Come on haha

[@MasterAbeer101]

The music playing was too perfect 😂

[@megamanxfan02]

The game be trolling you sometimes

[@Inquisitor0007]

As a Cloud main, I have to say… W E L C O M E

[@flaminfungaming5042]

Wdym welcome? He's been playing Cloud since smash 4 lol.

[@thelegendarysupersaiyan2837]

​@@flaminfungaming5042 i don't get it

[@Ericspil790]

@@flaminfungaming5042 and? He never played cloud in ultimate at all bro 💀. So that’s a good welcome

[@issacsantana6419]

@@flaminfungaming5042 yeah, but to everybody who's surprised to see this, it's just another day in the office for us Cloud mains. Our grab is shite, and we know it.

[@GeordieHalma]

@@issacsantana6419along with not having to come up with real game plans against like 95% of the cast because you just space back air.

[@chignonn]

The ironic part is that sephs grab is like half of clouds 😂

[@MerryBlind]

Depends. Seph’s dash grab actually has good range unlike Cloud’s. His standing grab is pitiful though.

[@MerryBlind]

@@bigshworm5414 Marth’s standing grab is ok. Not bad but not particularity good.

[@ParzKazuya]

??? That’s just not true lmao

[@Takumi_Yo]

Rob shield extends little more which causes missed grabs because he are somewhat like t pose and his grab hit box is his body

[@jamo1774]

clouds grab range is criminal. but there has to be something else going on here.

[@jacksherman6109]

And the potential for this being the reason why I lose a $10,000 smash tournament is why I will never be a competitive smash player

[@Scrollskillups]

You can tilt the grab to be upper middle or lower, looks like u grabbed down, because some characters can dodge grabs with crouching, so it missed.

[@luiegiii]

Compare this to squirtle grab. Why does squirtle have such long range? It’s like he suddenly gets ivysaur grab range it makes no sense 😅

[@zer0luink]

Thats what it feels like using sephiroth's grab lol

[@courageouspete5467]

That’s square Enid grab range for you

[@laffy7204]

I wonder if Tweek will learn to slingshot pivot grab just to grab Rob out of shield

[@chalybee8689]

He did the hufrbox shift thing also why he doesnt have hurtbox on his hands is so criminal.

[@DragonNation-us6mp]

good ol weird rob hurtbox

[@InbravedComment]

That’s why his big sword makes up for his range

[@Bon-bn5lc]

nintendo learned their lesson from the last time they gave an anime sword character busted grabs 😭

[@ExitScam]

Cloud has the worst grab in the game. Low range, slowest grab, no true combos or kill throws

[@jakealbohn6226]

It's bad, but it's not the slowest or shortest by far. Min Min's is the slowest, Icies is the shortest.

[@anonymous7024]

Bro took the wrong page out of Ganon’s book

[@badmancannolive]

“Oh” 😂😂😂

[@CruelSunSsb]

melee pikachu level of grab

[@InFiNiTeO7]

Cloud's shorty ahh grab, and ROB's jank af body.

[@bimgus5808]

Forgot that grab was even a thing cloud could do lol

[@michaelstringfellow6754]

Glad to see it happens to top players and not just me lol. As an ike main, his grab is equally bad. That was impressive to see that rob shield shift though. Big brain af.

[@neverknowsbest.]

That square enix grab

[@Allplussomeminus]

Yep... time to start breaking the game like Melee.

[@CipherKnighto]

I’m hard pressed to say Cloud has debatably the worst grab game out of the whole roster

[@pinkzki6473]

Dude the biggest brain play!

[@byronvonedmund]

Now let him see Corrin's grab

[@theonlyderpyonep8682]

functional character moment

[@gibidy2250]

Happens to me all the time as link as well, I know the feeling

[@Contrary22]

Nah. His grab is perfectly fine. Never had or seen a negative thing happen. It's just you.

[@megadethguym7977]

Bs always happens when you play in those private matches like they mod the characters or something

[@zyxer3610]

Falcon grab moment

[@guyjom]

There's a golden rule in Smash If the character come from Square Enix, its grab is fucked up

[@jandaxprss6784]

Yeah for some reason cloud can’t grab robs shield with a dash grab. It’s so stupid and also why I dropped cloud as a potential secondary. That’s not the only shield his dash grab just fails on. Marths also is a nightmare to dash grab.

[@-Gonzo-]

I know the true reason behind this isn’t a cloud issue it’s actual with most characters rob when he raises his arms up like that you basically have to use a hit box that hit his core or it doesn’t work. Literally stupid Luigi upb doesn’t hit because of this even if you are right next do to him

[@damionwoodland6384]

I don’t know if R.O.B Sheld move so that you can grab him

[@AndresAndr95]

Lol when I started using Ike a bit I was like wtf! U literally have to over extend dash up grab, I think most swordsmen have smaller grabs

[@mightyz118]

Samus tether would never 😂

[@VC_Gaming3]

Literally t rex arms, i can see why 😂 I hate cloud grab range, its so bad

[@JosoLifts]

Cloud's dash grab is literally one of the worst in the entire roster so it makes sense it whiffed LOL

[@seanbon93]

he needs melee marth grab range

[@Contrary22]

God no. Nobody with a non tether grab deserves that grab range. That's why Palu got it nerfed away.

[@seanbon93]

@@Contrary22 he needs it! Jk jk

[@Clarkbardoone]

Cloud don’t need to grab anyway

[@Ericspil790]

Why? He should be able to grab or at least something decent enough like in smash 4, for sure he needs that, his disadvantage is bad and his recovery too.... so I don’t think he “don’t need to grab” lol

[@Clarkbardoone]

@@Ericspil790 first off his grab gives like no reward, cloud is going to be doing landing bair a lot and he has rps after with ftilt or up tilt or jumping away to set up another bair. Bair also EATS shield like he doesn’t need to condition for grab he can just frame trap you forever. And second of all clouds disadvantage is amazing, his recovery isn’t amazing but how often do you actually see sparg0 get edge guarded? And don’t just say “oh that’s just sparg0” because the people edge guarding him are also world class talent.

[@Ericspil790]

@@Clarkbardoone bruh 💀 . I said he needs that because he had it in smash 4, just as an example if characters like pythra or Roy (better characters than cloud) have a pretty decent grab and throw game to be Swordies and having shield pressure as well, why can’t Cloud? Having good pressure on shield isn’t a reason. And no way 💀 you really said Cloud disadvantage isn’t bad. Literally is dead with 1 read off stage if he has no limit, and sorry but that’s a spargo thing he’s just that good and doesn’t help people even in the top level respects cloud too much, U have a lot of examples about this, just watch sonix vs spargo, he destroyed cloud off stage, that’s what should happen most of the time people fight cloud, I could say too a lot of examples about cloud being dead off stage and people just letting him get back for no reason, and a lot of people have a safe playstile which sucks against cloud cuz u have to pressure him. So his disadvantage is mediocre at best

[@Whalordius]

Bro MKs grab does that too and I hate it. Idk why! It looks like it should grab, even on frame data, but sometimes outright does not work online.

[@iknowwhereyoulive618]

this is not an online problem, this is just collision jank

[@Whalordius]

@@iknowwhereyoulive618 MK just bad tbh

[@kylesantos5536]

Fun fact: Marth and Lucina have the longest grab range of any swordie

[@randompog8493]

Those grab ranges are legit dlc lol, we talk about pre patch palu but we don't talk about zard or marth, he barely has to commit to it if timed well

[@MonoFlax]

*looks at greninja dash grab*

[@Yishi_m]

Don't worry guys rob is big he's not even top 10

[@Spyder-Marth]

I'm so glad Cloud's grab game sucks. His shield pressure is already busted. He doesn't need a good grab game.

[@ryan_raus]

That’s one way to look at it I guess

[@akap]

You're absolutely right but when this happens my soul hurts.

[@Ericspil790]

He had a decent grab game in smash 4, he could have that in ultimate. They could buff cloud more for sure, and I don’t think he’s shield pressure is busted is good, but that crazy as you said

[@Spyder-Marth]

​@@Ericspil790 Bair, Down tilt, Limit Cross slash, and Fair... nuff said.

[@Ericspil790]

@@Spyder-Marth agreed now 1 word. Parry. The cross lash, except the Bair of curse anything else is punishable on parry

[@wulmea]

same thing happened to me but with seph lmao

[@wulmea]

i was playing against samus

[@bobobilal3000]

It’s so hilarious seeing Tweek lean in as he gets goobed by the game for being too good

[@NaJk93]

Shield tilt lel

[@tekka7780]

I hate how grabs in general suck in ultimate.

[@ac.j5800]

OPTIMAL

[@sephiroth8575]

MID

[@markchiodras9291]

please keep playing cloud

[@blas787]

Same thing happens with chrom 😭

[@JacobAnderson-jt8du]

Yeah I just don’t grab when I’m playing cloud, unless it’s to mix up, because his gab sucks!

[@waffle1788]

Accept the tax

[@varunkrishnaswamy4252]

Gotta grab ROB's spine or whatever lmao. I guess the shield blocked you from getting any closer

[@raymanfan9265]

Cloud sucks, pls buff

[@CazDad]

Bro people act like cloud is op but they’re just flat out wrong lol😂

[@benjamindavenport3322]

I swear grab is actually so bad for like half the cast, but their gameplay revolves around it.

[@dripfoe_3307]

Yeah his grab is bad

[@penny7551]

Thats Rob(big btw) for you

[@thomasfoslin7872]

Did anyone know from what stream it was ? I legit kinda want to warch tweek play cloud ahaha

[@178laaleros]

Lets just pretend his grab does not exist. I rather mix up cross slash then go for ģrab. Sparg0 in his gameplay sets some of them only grabs out of shield

[@Xxblade17]

wild

[@matthiashopkins7502]

he’s mid guys

[@Furiac.]

No way thats not an oversight

[@playboybrendo103]

omg lmaooo

[@OTTODARKHEART]

I think you should pick up incineroar

[@mixycat_yay]

Nairo was right. Cloud is MID

[@Kite833]

MID!!!!!!

[@adinv9257]

Don’t ever dash grab hehe

[@vergglas]

As a cloud main, his grab is terrible

[@kestrelynn]

This will either bd like V cancelling and change nothing at all, or like l cancelling where they just learn to press B during all their aerials for a passive buff

[@jasonlobo2350]

love how some comments try to defend this BS xD. smash is far from perfect but we still love it

[@eternalphoenix2662]

Alright, I gotta say this. Tweek looks like JeromeASF. Tweek has a large nose, big respect for that.

[@MrDuckyWucky]

This game doesn't work. I'm uninstalling my cartridge

[@Contrary22]

Cloud doesn't deserve a good grab. If his grab was good, the character would be too much. Now, unfortunately, some characters got good grabs they didn't deserve. And by that, I mean Pikachu. Plus, the 2 kill throws and 2 combo throws....

[@davidsayas5775]

Cloud doesn't have a kill throw nor combo throws, don't get why he shouldn't have a functional basic mechanic

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

You're naming Pikachu instead of Steve? Seriously?

[@greggorey87]

these type of interactions happen way to frequently in ultimate 🤦‍♂️

[@snoopybishop]

I’m so done with this game. Seeing people lose bc of things like this is so infuriating.

[@blstar_]

Cloud bottom 9

[@imaok10]

Yea rob gets away with this for free from a lot of characters grabs… unfortunately But yeah he’s still too big, right?

[@raghavpatel720]

why grab when you have back air?

[@dr.manthanos7781]

and then people say why cloud has a good up b oos

[@theelsanto32]

Only lucario mains truly know the feel

[@hiramrichmond3341]

actually lucarios dash grab is pretty good. Greninja though, what a joke

[@ryan_raus]

@@hiramrichmond3341 greninja dash grab SUCKS! his worst move lmao

[@varunkrishnaswamy4252]

@@ryan_raus I think they mean his dash pivot grab, it's gigantic

[@ryan_raus]

@@varunkrishnaswamy4252 ya that is really good, it’s huge. But his dash grab is pathetic

[@thskater1]

Clouds grabs are so bad and don't even lead into good combos. Let him have a little more range 😂

[@XildApex]

MMMMIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDD!!!!!

[@munchlad7112]

More proof that cloud is MID

[@ILoveBooser]

Cloud SUCKS 😂 (sarcasm)

[@Will-lh4lh]

That's why Cloud isn't top tier

[@Ericspil790]

Cloud sucks

[@Youzan808]

What is it with Cloud, Sephiroth and Sora having awful grab range? Tf are you doing Square Enix

[@adrien4337]

please play rob is so fun to play dude