I'm Not Buying the New CFMoto 450 MT - and Here's Why!

[@simonchilli2088]

The main thing is Warro buy what you want. If someone else or others want to see a different bike then they can buy one themselves and do a review on it.

[@ridewithwarro]

good way to look at it. in fact there is some heated boys on this clip tonight. some jumping the gun and laughing about my scooter. but in actual fact they are know-alls who know zero! or the one clip wonders. those poor samples don't know this channel or the fact i've bought lots of bikes. the trouble is today they don't do their homework. my history shows just that. i could easily go out and still buy the mt450 but im starting to dislike the attitude of some of them so they are turning me against the bike fast!

[@paul8612]

i Love your videos Warro, keep them coming, it's getting harder to find "legitamately" unbiased reviews on You Tube these days. Have a great Xmas.

[@ridewithwarro]

totally agree how on earth can you believe some crap channel which asks for donation to help make content or for a coffee or their crappy merch...lol how stupid are these guy forking out to those leaches. those who pay deserved to be totally sucked dry..lol they think they are helping their channel but in fact all they are helping them is to buy more stuff. over past 12 years i bought 73 new motorcycles for the channel never asked for anything or any the other crap and bump into big channels that say -it takes me hours to make a clip and buy all the equipment but those leaches dont add - i forgot warro does that too but he actually buys the bike outright to ride and review...lol

[@dondle2]

Really appreciate your style Warro, I think they threw the mould away after you were made. Hope you enjoy the latest purchase.

[@ridewithwarro]

well i hope so too. my guess is it won't appeal to many or i could be wrong. hard to say. its a bike i think when you see it and i explain it i think you'll understand my reson to buy it...lol all the best!

[@chrisweeks6973]

As always, Warro, do your own thing and to hell with what other people say or want. It's your money, so do with it what you want to do. And yes, I agree, your missus is a smart cookie. Merry Christmas to you and your family!

[@ridewithwarro]

Right on. all the best your way too for the xmas period and a very bright 2025 which i think we could all use going on past 5 years. all the best!

[@myname1234ist]

What surprised me a little about the CF Moto 450MT was the market place seemed quite hyped up about this "new" model quite some time before the bike arrived on dealers floors. I appreciate that the motor had been around in other models for a few years...presumably long enough to establish its credentials...but the MT had a lot else that was new & it was a bit bizarre to see so many ppl rushing to be the first kids on the block to own one instead of adopting the old tried & true adage of giving the new model 6 to 12 months to reveal any soft spots. Anyone who has followed some of the trials & tribulations of Triumph's "new" 400s would surely have woken up to the downside of early adoption.

[@ridewithwarro]

well the new 400's do have a few issues and thats why i decided to pass on one of those unlike the vstrom 250 sx which has none that i can think of.

[@bernardmitchell]

Ride your own ride, mate. Don't listen to the peanut gallery

[@ridewithwarro]

one way to look at it i guess..lol new used bike coming in tomorrow if there is such a thing. all the best! all the best!

[@Jay_Speed]

I bought the Triumph Speed 400 and happy with it, it's the ninth bike in my collection. The only thing is the odometer lies 10km too much but that's it.

[@ridewithwarro]

i was close to a speed myself but as usual side tracked. always a thought for 2025..lol

[@ruahinesrider]

Looking to see what it is?

[@ridewithwarro]

big day tomorrow for the new arrival...lol with a bit of luck clip up tomorrow night

[@pmay222]

warro just accept.. the Enfield 350 hits the spot..... when you are 60+ years old who needs to rush.. look at that glorious sunshine... admiring that from murky dark cold uk mid winter...

[@ridewithwarro]

yeah its right in the swing of the warm to hot weather here. averaging 30c or a bit better per day. afternoon rides are always welcome...lol all the best!

[@chats5957]

Will we see you on a Stark Varg EX in early 2025?

[@ridewithwarro]

i don't know that bike. i will have to google that one

[@azz1azz]

@@ridewithwarro it’s a new $19700 80hp full road rego electric enduro bike. Due in May 2025, If you order one now. They got released last week. I looked at them, got interested, nearly ordered one. I then decided it really wasn’t for me.

[@ogasi1798]

hahahaaa it seems based on this video if he gets a few more asking him he just might

[@jamesdspaderf2883]

There's a trend now for motoblog influencers promoting Chinese motorbikes. I'd not consider buying Chinese, no matter how 'good' the bikes are now. So many reasons not to go that way. Hopefully the pressure from Chinese imports can persuade the domestic motorcycle industry to refocus, and deliver bikes that riders want, at affordable prices.

[@ridewithwarro]

I'm not sure about that, but it's definitely a good topic for discussion.

[@frankfeely9235]

Its interesting to see what you want to ride and why. Also great to view the local landscape.

[@ridewithwarro]

new/used has arrived. will be interesting to see how this one goes down....lol hope to clip it out shortly all the best!

[@brikfiend]

Currently have the Himalayan 450 . I was tempted by the CF450MT due to all the hype but ,as usual I talked myself out of it ! The Enfield does everything I need it to do but a 650 single Himalayan would be even better 😍

[@ridewithwarro]

well i was only buying to give a good review anyway on the mt450. this clip alone ive already blocked and delete a few outspoken zero content creators or knockers but one must know there limits...lol back to the bikes. nothing really wrong with my vstrom 250 sx and i can go near anywhere with reason on my classic 350 or gb350. just take my time and do it more slowly.

[@splodge57]

Good to hear you're blocking the nobbers. 😂

[@ridewithwarro]

@@splodge57 well let's say they have their say and as the judge i give the sentence and its life without reentry...lol

[@NeilMullens]

Looking forward to seeing the new bike! I know there are probably a lot of genuine reviews of the CF Moto but there are also a hell of a lot of paid for ones, too. Maybe in a few years, when their reliability and parts back up has been proven I might get one, but not right now. I also have an Xmax in the garage, my first ever scooter and I love it. Thinking of adding a small capacity bike like the Himalayan or the Triumph Scrambler 400. Would love to ride in Oz one of these days!

[@nikoscosmos]

Buy what gives you pleasure. I find it a little ridiculous that certain KZbin creators consider that they are performing a public service, even going to the lengths of conducting a poll as to what colour to get! One wonders how long they take to decide what colour underpants to put on.

[@ridewithwarro]

one way to look at it. by the way these suzuki vstrom 250 sx's are pretty hard to beat for value and ride quality. all the best!

[@dashamac]

The problem I have with the CF MOTO bikes is their twins are based on a Kawasaki engine. This means that when it comes to adjusting valve shims the camshafts have to be removed. And this all ends up costing an arm and a leg come shim service time. Honda and Yamaha use shims, too, but use a simpler shim adjustment regime. I always wanted Suzuki to put the DR650 engine into a road frame and gear it accordingly; the simple oil/air cooled engine was great when it came to TCO or Total Cost of Ownership. Cheers, mate.

[@ridewithwarro]

yeah i dont know anything about the mechanical side and all i know that bike was getting rave reviews from all test riders. i was keen to buy and try but unfortunately couldn't get the lookers to come to the party so i jumped ship...lol to what one would or could say...next...lol all the best!

[@christopherpekel6096]

Their 450 has nothing to do with Kawasaki design

[@dashamac]

@@christopherpekel6096 I stand corrected regarding the 450 being a Kawasaki copy, however: "CFMoto 650 NK. The 649.3cc parallel-twin engine in the CFMoto 650 NK is a copy of the engine used in Kawasaki's ER-6n." Moreover. when it comes to shim adjustment, similar to the Kawasaki: "Yes, for the CFMoto 450 MT, the camshaft does need to be removed to adjust the shims. This process typically involves disassembling parts of the engine to access the camshaft and shims, so it's important to follow the service manual carefully or consult a professional mechanic if you're not experienced with engine work." Citations by Google.

[@christopherpekel6096]

@@dashamac fair enough! Thanks for the info

[@stevesane800]

Merry Christmas Warro to you & the family! Thank you for thanking us! I'm still confused, I think. I remember saying for your birthday to get a RE Bear650. Next thing I know you're ordering a CFmoto 450MT! I think what you've set up for the Suzuki Strom 250SX will cost you nothing & still take you where you can feel comfortable with in what terrain. There is nothing more suitable than the Xmax 300 scooter! It's a cool scooter, not as cool as the Vespa GTS! I'm going to call you Mysterious Warro! Cheers

[@ridewithwarro]

yeah i could have bought anything really and was thinking the bear too. only issue bad reviews on the ride quality and some reviewers say nothing after all they want to review not spend...lol so i canned that idea. nice bike but my back wouldn't handle it so im a goof 40 years too late there. new second hand bike arriving tomorrow. to me that will be a trip back in time so a bit excited there. had to buy used as new not available so we will see...lol

[@SomewhereInside]

If there is a rider who enjoys road riding why would they buy a CF Moto 450? If you enjoy off road riding solo why would you buy a 195kg wet CF Moto 450 ? If you want parts supply for warranty claims , why would you buy a CF Moto 450? Just my opinion , I settled for a Honda Transalp 750 $12500 used 3500kms with $3000 of extras. Fantastic road touring bike for backroads motorways and smooth gravel/dirt roads. Won’t take it on serious off road as it weighs 208kg wet. I can’t pick up anything over 170kg wet due to age and medical issue. But unless you are out in the bush on uneven surfaces , even a young fit person might struggle picking up a CF moto 450,then you are stuffed in the bush alone .

[@ridewithwarro]

yeah it had its good points and a few not so good...lol

[@zander8752]

I'm 23, I take my cf on Enduro rides with my mates on their dirt bikes. Sure it's heavier but it doesn't feel like it, had a sport bike that weighed the same. That bike felt way heavier to pick up than this because of how it's distributed. Feels fine to me, my dealer support is also quite good so I got all the parts I wanted in pretty good time

[@SomewhereInside]

@@zander8752 Sounds good , they do look good also.

[@glennmorrissey2529]

Hello Somewhere, I'm not sure what your saying, negatives regarding a 450 but you buy a 750, what were you looking at in the first instance and why? A 450 is a 450 and obviously a 750 the same. I bought a 450 CF MT for riding out in the rough, I also have a GS 1200 "Rallye" for the road mostly, a 73 Moto Guzzi and a scooter for tootling around on locally, plus a 2009 Ural with sidecar, can't forget the pooch. The CF Moto is a great bike and it will change the industry for sure along with KOVE and VOGES the attack has started. The Japanese did it to the British and the Chinese will do it to the Japanese.

[@randycallow3736]

If you have a groove, feel comfortable that's it. CF Moto is a good bike, still 40 horsepower still 400 pounds.. it's also has road manners liabilities, 21in front wheel, higher stance and w all suspension with lots of travel first few centimeters are sprung to absorb off road.. so if 30-50 horsepower is your sweet spot, not planning on bagging up and having passenger and luggage you have tons to choose from.. and if wind in your face is your preference, again just adds to the list of available motorcycles with no plastic..CF Moto is in danger of being catch all because of all the excitement and hype but like Tenere, Transalp, KTMs.. first take says that they do everything, years on all the bike can do anything and everything, simmers down to bike has some limitations and here's the list. That's happening with the CF Moto 450..real reviews show why it's not for everyone, everything..

[@ridewithwarro]

You make some good points, definitely a lot to consider!

[@johnnoe2002]

“Thanks for the heads up” Have a merry Christmas matey …

[@ridewithwarro]

all good there. cheers.

[@michaelannett1322]

Thanks for the interesting video Warro. A new watch for Christmas maybe? Looking forward to seeing your new bike soon.

[@ridewithwarro]

i think i've had enough of rolex for a while...lol although i do like my green dial op 41 hopefully that bike arrives tomorrow and its a trip back in time and im happy with the sight unseen purchase. i can only hope...lol

[@findingneutral]

I'm looking forward to your next reveal regardless of make/model. You always provide valuable and most importantly HONEST insight. I see on so many other channels how the reviewers are not owners AND they seem to always minimize things we the consumers most likely would be unhappy about in a bike. You don't do that and that's because your not fake just trying to get sponsored by companies. You also don't cry poor mouth and ask patreons for handouts. I've learnt a lot from your channel and really enjoy your style and insight. Merry Christmas and Happy New Years mate.

[@ridewithwarro]

wow what a great response compared to some of the negative crap ive deleted...lol its strange how some reviewers on the tube wipe their lips and the crap flies. the viewers take it all in believe what they say buy them a coffee do a Patreon fee and feel good they helped out. those poor guys are too silly to realize that the youtube hotshot couldn't care less as he rakes in the cash...lol do i feel sorry for those who do...NO! they are fools and you know what they say about fools. imagine me asking for a coffee or donation for camera gear or help running this channel.....i bet i know what would happen...lol BUT and there's always a BUT i will never lower myself to deal at that level. all the best!

[@findingneutral]

@ridewithwarro Rock on Warro ...

[@ricosound654]

So what happened to your 250 deposit?

[@ridewithwarro]

well they still have the $250. the triumph 400x deposit of $500 they still have it too. i don't care its not worth much. today's a new day and only hours from a bike away.

[@krisdieber9459]

They will refund it if you ask nicely

[@ridewithwarro]

@@krisdieber9459 yeah but who knows i may go back. i like to leave options so if i decide again on this or the triumph 400x both hold deposits...lol im only a couple of weeks off 2025 so i have a bit to think about

[@TQCX9]

Happy for you Warro

[@ridewithwarro]

thanks...we will see if tomorrow i am happy...lol all the best!

[@paulsparkes2477]

Cheers mate I hope you have a happy safe Christmas and thanks f or all your content Keep upright and stay safe Badlabee Adventures

[@ridewithwarro]

thanks your way too. a new used ride arriving tomorrow. may be interesting to some...lol all the best!

[@stoney10]

Have you tried a Turaeg 660?

[@ridewithwarro]

not as yet.

[@sholdfield]

Nadolig Llawen Warro ! Do your own thing mate, don't worry about the naysayers. Life is too short to do tings you're not keen on just to please other folk.

[@ridewithwarro]

yeah life goes on and another dice roll tomorrow. here's hoping! all the best!

[@MrDGS999]

Nice one Warro, really appreciate all the honest content.

[@ridewithwarro]

great to hear. some do and some don't! so its another day and i guess another bike. see how this goes. all the best!

[@gadgetman_nz4092]

Looking forward to the next one.

[@ridewithwarro]

well my guess is i will know in the morning. if its positive i'll do a clip. if it disappoints i will try gumtree...lol

[@marek5645]

You have a great Christmas too Warro. I'll always watch the vids. I'm near on 9000km into my 450 himi and I'm thinking of selling for something different. I've had the Yammi Tmax so I've done the scooter thing too. Gotta wait for the new classic or bear. I'm thinking you do you and don't worry about the ones who didn't stick around. I tossed up between the CF and the Himi before buying and it's gotta be whatever takes my fancy next. The only caveat is the missus like you said. Can't wait to see what comes next!!

[@ridewithwarro]

thanks, on the xmas greeting. yeah i think it's interesting times ahead. it's a hard choice at times on the bikes and pretty hard to please all parties. i like what i have at the moment and i think if you can walk past them and say that's not a bad ride it's a pretty good day

[@annonymous498]

I would like to suggest you make a video talking about motorcycle/ scooter options to use as daily commuter under 10K new or used I think will help a lot of people as the cost of living and traffic it’s increasing

[@ridewithwarro]

well worth thinking about. ive had a few commuters in both

[@jkmarshall3553]

Too bad. I will be buying one.

[@ridewithwarro]

i think you'll be very happy. they are from what i watched extemely good bikes and it was disappointing not to get the response i was looking for. if this channel had been popular they would have been raving for it BUT because i buy lots of new bikes -you know what i mean i attract some who can do the yards and get highly negative so when you get your ride get back to me tell me how good it is and i will pin your comment. i still think its a very good bike so would i recommend you go ahead...YES!

[@sammemrys8195]

"She's not here at the moment so I can agree." That really made me laugh.🤣🤣 You know, with all of your experience, any bike you're interested in riding, I'd want to hear about. 😊 Merry Christmas Warro, to you and your clever missus. 😉🎅🎄

[@ridewithwarro]

thanks on the xmas greetings. i only said to the wife earlier today are you going out and she said shopping....why? it's a bit hot for me to go i replied as i thought perfect...lol i have about one hour tp put this together. so gave the sausage dog a bone and turned the air off and party on...lol

[@FGRides]

Here's the thing as I see it, Warro. I'm one of the loyal viewers (and I read the comments, so I know that there are many others) - I watch all of the videos you post, usually within a day. Now, I don't give a hoot about the CB500X, and I think scooters are essentially frightening little aliens, even though I'm occasionally intrigued by some of them - the Vespa, for example, was cool in an otherworldly mutant sort of way - but I watch anyway, because when you post a video you also create a question that must be answered: "What the hell is Warro up to now?" It's the damnedest thing. You might be turning the Chrome Red into a ratrod, or you might be crashing a drone, or you might be repairing your roof, or preparing dinner on a camp stove at the roadside, etc. If you got the CF Moto, you might attract a bunch of viewers that are interested in the bike, then 98% would go away six weeks later when you sold the bike. Plus, I don't know how good the CF Moto bikes really are (they might be fantastic), but they seem to be squid magnets, if you know what I mean. So, I think it's great that you're getting something you have a genuine interest in rather than something that you buy solely because you think it will attract more squids to the channel. Keep up the good work. Thank you for the video!

[@ridewithwarro]

well ive done a full 360 on this new arrival. not sure how it will go down but there is a story behind the purchase and i had to do a re-visit...lol on the scooter side i really like and enjoy the ride style and the cfmoto i was just going to buy and try and hard to say after that anyway one door closes and another opens ...as of today...lol all the best!

[@norsehall309]

G'day Warro, over the years i have bought many BSA motorcycles all 2nd hand because l know how to restore and repair them, l still ride one and an old Royal Enfield, but modern bikes only buy new, because as you said it other persons crap, maybe 🤔 maybe not, its a costly gamble, cheers mate, Neil 🤠. Ps you have a great Christmas.

[@ridewithwarro]

yeah i'm not much fixing them and better at buying...lol i still remember the trouble i had when i bought that fully restored 1971 triumph daytona. think it was daytona anyway the 500cc twin had issues with the carbies-the clutch and other stuff as the guy fully restore it but not spent time getting it running correctly. hopefully get a clip up tomorrow on the new ride...hopefully...lol

[@splodge57]

I would only ever spend my money on a bike I want and it wouldn't be Chinese. If it was for your channel the Bear 650 would be a good bet and you always seem happy with a Royal Enfield. Merry Christmas🌲

[@ridewithwarro]

you could say at the time i was tossing the coin and giving the viewers a chance to pick a bike but that idea never worked out. so new day tomorrow and we will see what that brings. could be an early xmas present. by the way that vstrom 250 sx does one mean thumbnail. all the best your way for xmas too

[@daintree2455]

10 grand will get you a nice old Trophy and imagine the maintenance vids on that Warro haha.

[@ridewithwarro]

it could but im going for the trip back in time experience. ...lol new/used bike arrives tomorrow and i must confess i do not like the idea of buying used in anything - but who knows "gumtree" may be my best friend or i could end up happy with the purchase. this is a sight unseen buy and drop -no return..lol personally, i don't care that much but who knows i may get lucky. over the years ive found there is always someone lurching in the background to buy what one rejects if they think they can save a $$$

[@douglasfitzsimmons654]

ALWAYS APRECIATE YOU'RE HONESTY WARRO, JUST BUY AND RIDE WHAT SUITS YOU WARRO, AT THE END OF THE DAY WARRO IT'S YOUR DOLLAR WARRO. I ENJOY ALL YOU'RE CONTENT, KEEP IT COMING

[@ridewithwarro]

well another arrives today...lol so ive been told so could be an interesting day for me...lol all the best!

[@stoney10]

Personally, I will watch all the way through but if i get an ad after 25 seconds, i will turn it off usually. At least ypoou seem real and legit. Good luck mate.

[@ridewithwarro]

thanks for watching. i appreciate the support

[@kristophertrout7328]

If the opportunity comes up you can take a MT450 for a test ride, I think you should do it just for your own enjoyment. Whether you make a video on it or not is up to you. 😎

[@ridewithwarro]

if that ever happens i will try for a test ride just for the curiosity side. still think it's a good value ride for those on a tighter budget

[@banditoo7]

Zero interest in ugly CF Moto. Good choice going in different direction. Look forward to seeing whats next.

[@ridewithwarro]

Thanks! New unused bike coming tomorrow, see how that one goes on the channel. may get some interest or may not but i like the idea...lol all the best!

[@paulconnell7605]

Think you made a good decision not buying the cfmoto it’s been out a while now with a lot of reviews. Can’t buy them all Warro although you’re given it a good crack !! How good is that little 250 Vstrom . Still always enjoy your bike videos and your efforts to put it all together Cheers Paul

[@ridewithwarro]

250 vsrtom is really a pretty good bike so i have no complaints there. for the price $6500 stock its a bike one could buy and ride it near anywhere.

[@davocookie8157]

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[@PharaohDeathMask]

So you're buying something that is non-motorcycle related, that will give you the ultimate pleasure. Sounds like you're buying an inflatable Marilyn Monroe doll. Merry Christmas and happy riding (of motorcycles and the doll).😊

[@ridewithwarro]

I'm not sure I can go into that much detail..lol but yes i did buy some-thing not related to motorcycles plus a used bike arriving today. hope to get a clip out on it or better still hope it's up to scratch...lol all the best!

[@HondaWanderer]

I personally would stay away from this bran, but that's me.

[@ridewithwarro]

ive passed on the idea now. new/used bike has arrive so that will keep me busy for a while. all the best!

[@Robert-xs2mv]

But you don’t abuse your bikes (hopefully), so why assume others sell you their “crap”. Or do we have to assume we be buying your used “ crap” , when you upgrade?

[@ridewithwarro]

let's see - i've bought 73 brand new bikes over past 12 years plus a few used which i don't count and each one of those units had issues....lol well heres how it works with me. i list the bike im selling usually in mint condition with a $2000 to $3000 drop off new price on a bike maybe a couple months old.. i tell you the buyer the price is firm. say he agrees. i pre-warn him if you arrive and try to get it cheaper i will refuse to deal with you and you go home empty handed. if you keep to the agreement all is good and no issues. to date ive never had any-one ring me back and tell me my stuff is crap. i have had them ring back and thank me for the bike and tell me its as good as brand new. looking back the only sale ive lost was a couple of weeks ago on the suzuki vstrom 250 sx. first one to date. that was hard to handle..lol i never misrepresent a sale. if i lose money bad luck for me. i once bought a new bike so bad i couldnt ride it a trials 500 enfield -i couldn't sell that crap to any-one cost me $9k new guy wanted to buy it for $6k i said i cant sell it to you. sold it back to dealer for $5k believe me not many would do that but i actually did! guy rang me back about 2 weeks later and said you'd be the most honest seller ive ever met i even told that guy it was rubbish i don't want to sell it to you. i think i put 400 klm on that bike...lol over the years ive had 150 cars and about 90 motorcycles in total. ive met all types. in reality they are only your friend till they get what they want...lol

[@Robert-xs2mv]

@ hopefully there be far more like you then those that truly try to sell “crap”. And good on you.

[@ridewithwarro]

@@Robert-xs2mv all i can say is if i sell something its in like new show roon condition and i would never try and get a sale just for the sake of the money i know lots do but i dont. thats why i wont try and sell stuff on the channel.i dont want to be ...whats he trying to sell us now guy...lol all the best and have a good xmas. good question too!

[@Robert-xs2mv]

@ same to you. Hoping it stays dry long enough to get a few days riding in

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

I will stick with RE,Harley Davidson Sportster and Yamaha thank you.

[@ridewithwarro]

pretty happy with my xmax 300

[@Bob-t2c]

Made in China.. don’t care how good it is.. no ffing way.

[@ridewithwarro]

they are supposed to be very good bikes. ive watched some great reviews on them. i was going to find out for myself but that fell through so its next...lol new/used bike arrives today. hope this one goes down better than this one..lol all the best!

[@johnharris7353]

Very beautiful there in Australia this time of year. Cold and wet here in St Louis, Missouri. CF Logo may be a good bike, I don't know, but it looks like a plastic insect, I'll never have it ! Cheers John

[@ridewithwarro]

i believe the cfmoto 450 is a very good bike according to reviewers and it was for that reason alone - well after it was bought to my attention i was going to buy and try.

[@coreys8070]

Without meaning offence to anyone Chinese, I wouldn’t buy anything Chinese mate

[@ridewithwarro]

reports are good on this bike but i thought there's only one way-find out fist hand...lol anyway all good. new/used bike has arrived and hope to throw up a clip shortly. all the best!

[@seawench555]

Good, leaves more for us, Cfmoto450mt is a great build.

[@coreys8070]

@@seawench555 go for it mate

[@ogasi1798]

your mindset is off whack by a large amount - why the hell would you buy a bike for others? It seems the modern mind virus has even affected older chaps .....

[@ridewithwarro]

maybe...lol well i bught the new xmax 300 for me and i had plans to buy the mt450 for chinese take-away testing. anyway ive moved on and my new/used bike arrived yesterday so see how that goes. all the best!