I’m Stranded 20 Hours From Home In My Duramax! Part 2

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[@marcbenedict3676]

The DPF is the worst thing to happen to diesel engines

[@dixiemae5042]

Actually it’s the EGR … forcing exhaust fumes back through the intake … DPF catching soot then burning it … not worse thing …

[@cobralife0417]

Wrong, the EPA is the worst thing to happen to Diesel engines.

[@samr9520]

@@cobralife0417 Obama's EPA is the worst thing to happen to American Diesel and America.

[@dixiemae5042]

@@cobralife0417 that’s for humankind

[@BillT502]

That truck doesn't have a dpf. Listen to that. No dpf or anything else for that matter.

[@Gavin-The-Maniac]

What a crazy adventure. When the 6.4 pulled up to rescue the duramax I was just thinking that would be the last truck I would want to see towing me 😂

[@ripperlipper1016]

I’m a ford guy but I hate 6.4s my favorite 1st a 7.3 then a 6.0 then a 6.7 but 6.4 is like a duramax 🤦‍♂️

[@goely6548]

@@ripperlipper1016 6.4s are not even remotely similar in terms of reliability and efficiency of a Duramax. 6.4s where intentionally designed to be constantly on Ford's service drive. I can't even tell you how many torn apart 6.4s I've for sale with 100kmi or less because of a catastrophic failure in the engine. Built right they can be one mean ass machine. But to build one right be ready to pay double as barely anyone uses these engines for actual performance purposes, and because of that aftermarket parts for a 6.4 are double what they'd be on literally any and all diesels up to and including the god awful 6.5 detroits. You can literally buy a set of 8 6.5 "performance" injectors for less than $500. 6.4 performance injectors minimum 3 grand plus. I had my reservations about Duramaxs for a long time then Whistlin Diesel came in and completely changed the game and now I refuse to touch any other diesel engine.

[@ripperlipper1016]

@@goely6548 ok I can agree with you the 6.4s are terrible but a 6.7 and a 7.3 is where it’s at and both of them shit on duramax especially the 6.7 because of its reliability and power they have but I feel like the reason it cost more to put new injectors in a 6.4 than a 6.5 Detroit is because it’s a newer engine

[@ripperlipper1016]

@@goely6548 and I was sayin a 6.4 is like a duramax because they both suck

[@kylehenderson9867]

Hahaha! What a crazy adventure indeed, I couldn’t imagine spending all that money on a truck just for it to laugh at you and self destruct.

[@goruby2]

Thank you , and NEVER EVER VOTE DEMOCRAT!

[@BrokenBolts]

Was really glad to be there with you Josh! Thanks for the shout out on your channel as well. Can’t wait to see you again when I paint the Wifemax

[@StarInfinite00]

Lmao all the trucks breaking down one by one 🤣

[@duncanpage1556]

On my way with the mighty Tundra to save the day LOL!! You know it will start!

[@gottlicherhammer]

You are so generous… It was great to see that veteran rewarded. As they say though, no good deed goes unpunished. LOL

[@cindysguy1]

Het Josh, dude I am a 67 year old man many years ago some friends and I went to Disneyland in LA and we were from the San Francisco BayArea things went nothing but wrong on that trip took 48 hours to go 600 miles. Your adventure brought back a load of memories

[@rollingthunder4370]

You should have went live on the channel, I'm seeing 212k subs on your channel! Truckmaster nation would have showed up to give back to you what you give to us brother!

[@TruckMaster]

Trust me I thought about it 😂

[@steelers19727]

Your my hero bro to go all that way to give away the truck and still broken……that’s insane

[@MilesHolt]

Your brother needs to start a channel with his engraving. I'd love to see more on that car and hear the story with it.

[@TruckMaster]

Not a bad idea

[@tammylott921]

@@TruckMaster DELETE THAT SHIT BRO ,, JUST DONT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT ...

[@BrokenBolts]

I do have a channel I just don’t post often

[@Coastal_vibes]

I agree I'd like some of my guns done up

[@codyhenley12]

@@BrokenBolts I think you would have a pretty good following if u started posting vids consistently. Never know till ya try!

[@dieselt1273]

I love it the diesel community coming together...love it...I'm my brothers keeper.."Jah love "

[@jarotex]

This makes me think of the video Gale Banks did comparing the Derringer to the Pulsar. He kept beating on the fact that the Pulsar would plug up the DPF. Not saying thats definitely whats going on here, but it sure does look like exactly what he was explaining. Food for thought...

[@Yippa391]

Gale banks would be somebody I'd trust... But having drove big rigs for years I'm always broke down with the emissions crap.

[@jarotex]

@@Yippa391 Yep. I don't care how advanced they get with this emissions crap, it's still crap!!!

[@repairvehicle]

Banks does not guarantee that you will not have soot build up issues

[@711slimshawny]

Bottom line is you can't tune a emissions truck and not have issues. A dpf can't take that much fuel while pulling. You either go all the way or leave it the hell alone. Lol

[@connor4961]

@@jarotex only way to change it is to fight against the government. If all diesel owners got together to fight back the government would fold.

[@robertm2172]

One more reason why I dumped my 2010 duke max I was over the drama over the Allison over the the body problems. Bought Japanese in 2011 and no more headaches.and it had no DPF!

[@brandonkoonse1458]

I had a very similar experience as you're having, my L5P DPF filter got choked up in Traverse City, MI 700 miles away from home (I do hotshot). I had a buddy drive all the way up there, hooked up to my trailer and hauled me back home in his 6.0 powerstroke. If you're looking for a quick temporary fix, cut the DPF out, power wash it out then use exhaust clamps or weld it back up and do a regen. The problem that caused the DPF to choke up ended up being a failed exhaust manifold gasket. Other than that my 2019 L5P has 220k on it and still pulling strong! Good luck!

[@TruckMaster]

Great info thanks for sharing

[@alexandermorton5873]

This is why I will never give up my LB7

[@kirkgordon2146]

Makes me appreciate my 01 lb7 and 06 lbz even more. Been wanting a newer l5p truck but damn. Good luck getting it back on the road brother

[@morethan1e463]

weight reduction is the only option i plan to get a wrecked l5p and keep it for a whileeeeee especially if deletes come down harder in near future

[@prestonthompson3970]

@@morethan1e463 just got my l5p weight reduced, she’s mint now

[@morethan1e463]

@@prestonthompson3970 hypothetically, ofcourse. how do you deal with the tuning nowadays?

[@anthonymckenzie4234]

Mine hasn’t had any issues in the 80k I’ve owned it

[@jetthelooter]

L5p is a great motor until you start monkeying with it using tuners and changing out air boxes and up pipes down pipes etc. Leave it stock and they just plain run.

[@wrathmax1887]

Seriously Josh thank you for letting us all in and showing the good the bad and the ugly. Most people don't show this side of diesel content in this detail. It's humbling and very reassuring to know everyone has struggles.

[@TruckMaster]

Thanks! This was definitely a tough video to film

[@wrathmax1887]

@@TruckMaster I'm just glad you didn't have to go through it alone brother. Hopefully all is well man. Hopefully ya get er "fixed" and up and "running right" soon. 🇺🇲🦅👍😏

[@chevafootbrave7875]

When driving a 1988 Chevy. What's that mean when one blows a fuse every time one steps on the break and turns the steering wheel at the same time. Q ; don't stomp the break and turn the stupid wheel together at once

[@davidsailors5500]

If you would have took exhaust loose from down pipe it would have had enough power to pull onto the trailer.

[@Anthony-bt2vo]

I’m going keep my 12v Cummins after watching this lol

[@white24valve]

Whats nice about social media these days..is a person can go live,and for your case needing help..you would have had lots of folks headed your way. Glad your alright,and made it to Ryans.

[@jadebrecks]

You can tell that kid with the ford didn't grow up with a Nintendo 🤣🤣🤣

[@Coastal_vibes]

I sure am loving my lb7 at this point

[@travispfannmuller7717]

The poof you heard early in the trip was likely the charge pipe blowing off and from that point on, it didn't stand a chance of regening. It was probably leaking when your power began to fall off. Especially with the tune contributing to the issue. Impossible to say from 3000 miles away but that's my thoughts

[@toughbowtietruck]

Side note our shop truck Brigadier 6-71 burned so much oil it plugged the factory muffler to the point where it wouldn't start. Now it's a wide open exhaust. Not surprised if a totally plugged DPF causes it to stall and spit back pressure into the egr/engine.

[@jasonhansen6632]

This is the freaking BERMUDA TRIANGLE for trucks.

[@bryane2857]

Do you remember when we delivered that giveaway truck in Nevada? This is going to be a great story.

[@deancain9387]

it all makes for a great story even though it was not fun living it. glad you all made it back safe.

[@rustydusty1111]

EGR is the worst thing ever from an actual engine perspective. DPF is not far behind.

[@michaelmaluchnik2940]

This is why I keep my trucks stock I used too mess with my trucks and had nothing but problems what an ordeal you went through and your brother has talent them engravings looked great

[@mrmotofy]

His truck is basically stock...it's the required parts causing the problem

[@toughbowtietruck]

All of a sudden LB7 injectors don't seem so bad . . . For me to replace again when the time comes.

[@kirkgordon2146]

My exact thoughts 👍 have an 01 lb7 with over 450k. Runs great only on second set of injectors

[@biingo5674]

Been an eventful journey but glad you made back safe. Now to get that truck back in shape 💪

[@RippinGearz]

What’s weird is that exhaust tip dragging on the ground… 👀 “On the next episode of Truck Master… DELETING MY DPF” 😂😂

[@davidgleason6400]

Time to lighten the truck up…the DPF & DEF fluids may be good for the environment but they choke the crap out of the engine. I’m glad you made it out ok…take care and God bless…David.

[@daneexperience407]

The rusty gooseneck ball always makes me paranoid. I pull mine out once a week just to make sure nothing screws me when I really need it

[@gabrielthomas1394]

Josh I'm glade you was able to get it to the shop hope all goes well it sucks that had to happen to such a new truck

[@johncasor9698]

next time you go so far out there bring a Big Tent and 10 gallons of water and sleeping bags and survival gear you know that you are trained for the outdoors, and a list of Auto Zone stores... Haha

[@wrathmax1887]

I truly love the diesel community.

[@TruckMaster]

🙏

[@dieselgang4432]

Engraved truck emblems would be sick

[@dennisfowler1281]

So, would you recommend AGAINST adding a tune without deleting?

[@runawayrvadventures3674]

Sorry to hear about your crappy day, I'm happy I don't have any crap emission on my 2003 GMC 3500 dually 6.6l .2wd from Ottawa, CANADA can't wait to see what was wrong.

[@michaelmcsperitt1111]

That's why people makes dpf disappears

[@bryanginder5903]

How can so many guys have problems with their trucks when some of us tow around the states rough county roads, beat, drive daily and have hardly no problems at all with our trucks and have more the 350k miles with minor mods!! Love my 02 never let me stranded yet!

[@mrmotofy]

Newer with emissions

[@bryanginder5903]

@@mrmotofy we have newer one also and it has been almost problem free with 210k on it with mostly trailer pulling miles, just have probables in winter if it gets stupidly cold for long periods

[@mrmotofy]

@@bryanginder5903 Some get lucky...some have bad luck...this was a trailer of bad luck

[@bryanginder5903]

@@mrmotofy that's for sure!!

[@williamcorleu5839]

It might need some glow plugs

[@matthewthompson5432]

Hey man glad we made it home alight that lighting over the bridge was insane

[@TruckMaster]

I can’t thank you enough for the help buddy!

[@matthewthompson5432]

No problem my pleasure. Ever need that durmax towed again just let me know🤣

[@BrokenBolts]

Huge thank you bro. And thanks for your service

[@codyhenley12]

Hey you did say what else is going to happen! Well now u know what was in store for you. Glad to see you guys made it to your bros in one piece with the truck and trailer. You will get it fixed and be back on the road back home In no time.

[@batman66ism]

So glad you made it back to post this. After seeing this I learn to count my blessings and realize things could be worst. You and your brother have been keeping great spirits on all this. It's time you guys start thinking of Movie rights and Action Figures after all this. 😆

[@rambo3988]

Glad you guys made it safe Josh! What a crazy week you’ve had. Looking forward to the next video!

[@wrathmax1887]

Part 1 made me realize that it's time to really figure out how I can do my CP3 swap on my LML i am terrified that its going to happen soon 181K MI to. Being stranded away from home especially that far is a nightmare situation I don't wish on anyone. I'm glad you had friends and family near by. That same situation happened to me not as serious but a brake caliper bolt came lose while driving in Indiana and me and my family were stuck luckily I brought everything I needed to fix it just needed a new bolt lock tite and good to go. Always be prepared.

[@jeremyc9229]

And this is why I still have both of my 03’ Dodge Cummins, and also a 07’ C5500 Duramax, and have no plans to sell any.

[@danielkwiatkowski4489]

Looking forward to Part 3 to see if you were right. I'm nearly 100% certain it is everything with the damn emissions crap they make us put on these trucks.

[@repairvehicle]

It’s not emission it’s a tuner that makes emissions not to work

[@hardway1746]

SCT livewire ts+ and custom sotf tuning. It’s expensive but worth every dime. 15 PowerStroke. You’ll enjoy the seat Dyno when you perform the surgery to repair your current issues. Your wallet will be much lighter but your smiles per mile will soar.

[@VictorPerez-mx1ld]

I have a 2017 l5p started to have dpf issues did the foam treatment it did help alot but it was a matter of time when it would happen again so I toke care of it. Check the def injector mine was half plugged up and was the reason I was having issues

[@mikestrucks]

Wow what an Adventure Josh ! This are memories that you never forget...😅 Glad you all made it safely

[@Kallaus_built]

Josh your patience is next to none man. I wouldve been losing my mind! Good luck and be safe gettong back to MI!

[@steelmill888]

The funny thing is that we all thought the 6.2 was a pos at least it didn't cost 75000 thousand.and it would run.

[@jeffhamann4350]

Bro…. What a crazy nightmare…. 3 broken trucks, Hail, 2 days on a park bench, cops, …….struck by lightning? Crazy. Glad you all got back safely. Thank God for good friends👍.

[@Cruisinjohn316]

I love the content! I would definitely buy a duramax engraved exhaust tip! Good luck with the truck!

[@rashadwesley4433]

Glad y’all made it safe. Wish I seen your video sooner. I live in Colorado few hours from Grissom and less than 30 minutes from Colorado Springs.

[@mutantryeff]

I love my 93 Cummins w/o electronics and DEF

[@TonyLasagna]

Time to let that dpf go sirrrrrr. Glad you made it back in one piece, and so did the truck.

[@eddiereyna2998]

Dude , when it rains , it hails . Glad y’all made it home . Well my 2008 Chevy Duramax started to knock and I had to finish a landscaping job so I drove it for one more day . I had committed to help a freind from church to move his boxes from his house to storage as they will be moving from San Antonio to Nashville Tennessee. He was a Air Force medic and his time in combat had some trials but now he’s on his way to attend PA school . Well , another buddy from my church was a Navy squid officer and he came to my rescue by taking my trailer that was full of leaves and tree branches. We moved our friends boxes and had a great lunch. . Now my Duramax had begun to smoke and knock from the drivers side of the engine so I haven’t bothered to start it again . Some other particulars to this story . Just several weeks ago I spent $600 to buy a new AC compressor and blower motor and probe but though she at fist ran real cold she would stop blowing cold when I first started it and was in residential areas and later when I changed my engine oil I was short so I added a quart of synthetic oil and about several days is when the knocking became apparent cause I had stopped to get fuel and when I pulled in I could hear the knock . PS , my tinnitus is real bad so that’s why I run with the stereo @ full blast and I apparently hadn’t heard the knocking. So after watching this video I’m gonna try some of the things that ya replaced . My truck is partially deleted as it doesn’t use DEF and I have a straight pipe , that’s how I bought it . It still has the EGR and so I’d eventually like to fully delete it . Mines stuck at my house . Let’s see what happens down the road . Also looking for a honest and reputable diesel shop is my next goal .

[@Snacks2613]

Love what is coming next to fix this problem!!!

[@TruckMaster]

Thanks 👍

[@bassdaze]

only thing to fix anything on an epa glorified truck is a full delete😀

[@morethan1e463]

I doubt He'll document it

[@Snacks2613]

@@morethan1e463 i could almost promise u he wont thats why he never said it on camera and kept beating around the bush with all the bs going on i have a 17 dirtymax and just keep my fingers crossed this does not happen to me i am at 112k still stock

[@repairvehicle]

@@Snacks2613 , never turn off truck while it’s in regen mode and you would not have to worry about problems

[@livintheislandlife7561]

Hey Josh Car wizard did a video about trucks you shouldn't buy and he was talking about DPF and what happened in this video is exactly what he was talking about

[@TruckMaster]

Good info I will check it out

[@flatspot4736]

Man what a wild ride! This trip has definitely not been a pleasurable one. But hey, things happen. I guess just bad timing..right? You'll figure it out. Stay strong brother.

[@dixiemae5042]

That’s some badass engraving stuffs 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@BrokenBolts]

Ty bro. Much appreciated

[@deweydecimal1446]

You've got a story to tell for a lifetime...and with the proof

[@rickdeckard6280]

Sorry for the trouble, I feel guilty about you having so much trouble. Dam bro hope you get this fixed.

[@boujeeweldingcompany]

Oh boy. This is probably the first thing I've read or watched that made me feel good about owning a LLY Duramax. Don't have to deal with those parts! Sucks you had to go through this but good for you for being honest that your truck had problems.

[@Art0878]

Glad to see you made it Safe can’t wait to see Duramax back up and running

[@wayne3325]

All I can say is lighten it up like I did mine.

[@rgrintz]

Had the same thing happen to my 07. Blew both sides of the down pipe off. Right outside Denver. Got that fixed, to find out the dpf was completely stopped up. Ended up shipping it home to texas.

[@psdtactical]

Great content . I bet your tuner malfunctioned . Tough couple of days. Keep at it.

[@tonysims6858]

So glade you got help Josh. Waiting to see what is causing your issue.

[@kv4194]

The tuner!!

[@jamiesnipes5714]

That issue happen 1 time to mine it’s being deleted I’m glad you made it safely brother

[@jerrymannix9298]

I have a 2019 Silverado 2500 HD with a Duramax, I kept it stock and never had an issue. I love your channel but this video is a testament to why I should keep my truck stock. Maybe the GM engineers knew what they were doing.

[@toddbob55]

GM VEHICLES IN GENERAL ARE GARBAGE

[@caleblevasseur2657]

His truck is mostly stock. The only part that isn't I his intake system. That alone does not have to do with the egr and dpf. He does a lot of towing and traveling in this truck. When the dpf and egr in your truck decide to that they've had enough, you'll know it happens to 100%stock ones too. My neighbor has a 21 Duramax thatis bone stock besides the lift and his truck has 40K miles and has been to the dealer 5 times because of egr and dpf

[@digi3218]

Yea I thought this video was a testament to why you don't want to keep it stock and why you should delete the emissions garbage lol.

[@williamjones907]

my dad's stock 2019 Duramax did the same thing as truck masters with 130,000 miles

[@Yippa391]

Got banks six gun on my lly. Never leaves eco tune. Works great. Of course not as complicated as your fellers. And I deleted the egr

[@BenKlassen1]

Might need a winch on that gooseneck trailer for next time the DPF plugs.

[@ronaldbabbitt6318]

Damn! Thats one hell of situation! All because of the DPF, shhhhhh! So yeah Thats Colorado Cloud burst! Praying your Truck doesn't get blasted by hail and the lightning will scare the hell out of you! I hope you can get er fixed without much trouble, sorry about your bogus trip threw Colorado Josh and Evil twin bro! Lmm in Colorado 🤠

[@Garciadude]

good video, im excited for custom exhaust tips for the sierras, im thinking a dual tip with a dope engraving 😎🙌🏼

[@jakes_lbz]

Really can't wait to learn about what happened with your truck and why the dpf got so backed up like it did. Glad you got back home safe. I was in a similar situation back in the winter when my trailer broke a leaf spring with a skid steer and I blew my tires. I was stranded 1½ hours from home till my dad brought out another trailer to transfer the machine and I had to drag the trailer home on 3 wheels. Fun times

[@repairvehicle]

Tuner kept dumping more fuel for more power. Dpf system is not designed for more power and more not complete burned fuel which resulted in soot

[@PierceMaster]

@@repairvehicle guarantee the cold side boot that was blown off is what caused it to soot the DPF out like that.

[@repairvehicle]

@@PierceMaster , loose boot and too much fuel equals wet soot. I am surprised he didn’t catch it sooner with boost gauge

[@victorfontaine4943]

Should have tried hitting the regen filter with a rubber mallet to loosen up the gunk and floor it down the highway…

[@Jtfogle82]

The pulsar caused the truck to produce excessive soot which clogged the NOx sensor 1. The ecu tried to correct the skewed NOx readings between upstream and downstream by adding extra def, which clogged NOx sensor 2 with ammonia… further skewing the data going to the ecu. The ecu then tried to correct this by overfueling on top of the tuner’s extra fuel creating even more soot that clogged dpf and the egr cooler. Without NOx 1&2 providing the ecu with data, the truck is unable to start an active regen while driving. With the L5p, you either delete it or leave it 100% stock, there is no happy medium. A $200 NOx sensor takes about 10-15 mins to change roadside and you’ll be good for another 100k miles… or just clear the codes and keep driving😂

[@ryansvarc4286]

Way to stay positive, hope everything worked out and it wasn't an expensive fix.

[@TruckMaster]

Thanks

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

All I could do was laugh through the entire video. Not laughing at the problems or you guys, I was laughing in amazement at all the things that happened in these two days. The lightening bolt at the end was jus the icing on the cake. I sure hope you got everything fixed up and are back up and running.

[@richiecaelwarts7873]

Sorry to see your truck broke down hope Ryan's will work there magic for you .

[@diegaspumper8501]

So I changed the fuel filter on my LMM yesterday and then it wouldn’t start. Pumped on it until my arm was about to fall off. I didn’t know about the little value above the alternator. Released the air pressure pumped some more and it started. Fought with it for a couple of hours. I found out about that value from one of your videos. Thanks for the info, after seeing this video I think my dpf is about to fall off my truck. I hope all is well with the truck, sorry for all your troubles.

[@LB7forlife]

I love my 03 LB7!! When I was looking for my first Diesel, this is why I was looking for 01 to 04!! Just Saying!!!

[@johnrutherford8068]

I've had the same issues I'd like to find some way to take care that problem too

[@blessed1.]

We all have been there a time or two it just sucks you where so far away from home. I felt that helpless feeling this week when I broke a trans mount. God Bless

[@luisbrown1535]

Glad you made it home back safe what a hell of a ride

[@cliff7536]

My DPF had me stranded once. That’s the only time I’ll have that issue. …..Engraved Duramax emblems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@rob5529]

To late probably to tell you that you can put a diesel fuel additive in.. works with a tuner an injectors to burn soot hotter faster. Works on the LLY everytime...

[@St0neRacer]

Max Mileage Fuel Borne Catalyst from (Pittsburgh Power)

[@benbaldwin3676]

Just fix it right and be done! That crap is killin the diesel industry. Good video man!

[@jimbeckes1743]

Good luck Josh your brother does some awesome work

[@BrokenBolts]

Appreciate it bro

[@NextLevelTruth]

@12:43 😂 that was funny!! True this segment would be a great ad for buying a gas truck! Or an ad for EGR deletes 😂 Good content brother none the less

[@heldtheflashlightfordad6728]

New trucks break down old trucks break down, story of my life buddy. We are just gluttons for punishment 😎

[@jasonhansen6632]

if you run a lot of injector cleaner or cetane booster like I did, your dpf filter just had a melt down and running a regen probably made it worse. My 2015 f250 did the same thing but it ruptured the the silicone hose, just like yours, and my charge air cooler. Had to straight pipe it, turn off egr and def, called mishimoto for their charge air cooler, because it cools the transmission fluid. Ford has two radiators and when this one grenades the fluid goes on your intake and looks like you are fogging for mosquitos.

[@luish777]

Daum didn't know these engines had that much buuchit to them.,that was some fking adventure.

[@mjracaniello]

Your brother's engraving looks awesome 👌.

[@glasstransport]

I live in Denver, and I make the trip across Colorado regularly. I have a 2016 Silverado Duramax, have left it stock, and have never had a problem running that route. Have you ever heard of TFL (The Fast Lane)Truck? Located in Boulder, pretty sure they could have gotten you running. By the way, you were stranded at my favorite gas station in Eagle. What is your brother's contact info in C. Springs? His work looked awesome. Might have some work for him. Bless You, Stay withe the "MAX"!

[@kenrich2789]

Those little units are now designed for that task, buy something that will handle the loads, they're not designed for performance but will have ability to work for smaller services