I Made Mindless Pub Pushing an Entire TF2 Game Mode

[@shounic]

pk_rot & pk_viaduct are up on the 100 player server now also hi sorry i've entirely rethought how i wanted to approach making videos like 6 times in the past few months so the videos i've been making are super all over the place. hope it wasn't annoying. i think i know what i wanna do going forward now, though. also also i was sick (but i am okay now) so the voice over might be a bit off :)

[@rbarua3368]

I hope you got better from when you were sick.

[@MondyTS]

We'll always love your videos

[@jking4854]

Why is this mode called "PK"? I don't get it

[@Willow_Wyllt]

@@jking4854 panic koth, because simply calling it koth does not fit due to the adjusted ruleset which differentiates itself from normal koth

[@qwfp]

Idk, I enjoyed all of them ;p

[@ignacho1969]

"A pub push on dustbowl last is better than sex" Well that's a way to start a video.

[@xman9354]

Tf2 players dont have that though? How can it be compared? (Sex is probably worse tho)

[@Ovalswing]

- shounic, 2024

[@commanderknee3821]

If sex feels like sitting inside a heated bronze bull then sure

[@kfcdoubledown1690]

Nearly spat out the soup I was drinking

[@Mr.Quacks]

combine it

[@TrustyGun2]

spawn protection sentries? holy shit, we have officially regressed to tfc

[@realdragon]

They had such thing?

[@1KiloDepartment]

@realdragon We could have have had it too! There is a model of a spawn protection sentry that if I recall was based on early TF2 concept art.

[@TrustyGun2]

@@realdragon Yep. Other than doors that could only be used by a certain team, there weren't any barriers like the visualizers in TF2 to prevent enemies from entering a spawn area. Thus to prevent mischief and spawn camping they added turrets to the spawn rooms.

[@jackhudner3804]

​@@realdragonThey were needed in TFC since you could walk into the enemy resupply back then (no one-team doors)

[@TheRealBatabii]

More games needs spawn protection sentries or at least spawn invincibility

[@brandonwan4889]

I love how these experiements all use 100 player servers once shounic could instantly kidnap 100 people

[@spaghettimkay5795]

You genuinely feel like a laboratory lab playing on the server.

[@joltz..2042]

I like the use of grammar here

[@acnak1208]

inverted viaduct is the most cursed thing ive seen in tf2

[@mythitorium]

fuck you **inverts your viaduct**

[@jkl5901]

Tcutaiv?

[@squishybrick]

@@jkl5901 I like that your comment translates from google to "What?"

[@acnak1208]

@@jkl5901 tcudaiv

[@therealthirst8099]

It's now KOTP (King of The Pit)

[@n0kla]

The constant map edits to bring at least a resemblance of balance will always remind me about how many different variants cp_orange has

[@mid-boss6461]

Or circle.

[@georgewashington6171]

we need cp_orange video

[@WishMakers]

cp_orange is such a funny case because the near-infinite map variations are improvements in so many different and interesting ways, but despite that i can't get tired of "literal 0/10 map design" cp_orange_x3

[@georgewashington6171]

@@WishMakers Ik, big field + tower + garbage spawn somehow equalled most played community map, maybe second to other big field garbage spawn map trade_plaza 2

[@Hobobatman1000]

8:25 "I made a map that's literally just a rectangle with a point in the middle to do play tests" Viewers: PLEASE LET US DO 50 V 50 ON IT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[@davisdf3064]

50 vs 50 players when the map is nothing but a cramped corridor with an Intel on either side: "peak game design"

[@VestinVestin]

"You haven't read MY test feedback!" "Does it say that you want the test map?" "Yes!"

[@helpmii215]

This could cause an addiction to instant pub pushes and the instant gratification it gives.

[@artifactU]

???

[@CaptainBlack47]

@@artifactU it’s like spinning the lottery and winning every time

[@artifactU]

@@CaptainBlack47 i think i kinda get what theyre saying but like thats not how the gamemode feels at least to me

[@qaday123]

@@artifactUit’s a joke on how shounic said pub pushes are better than sex at the beginning

[@foodaah]

@@artifactU it is endless pub pushes, so its basically endless source of dopamine and adrenaline

[@heavygaming6596]

8:34 big brain engineer in the corner

[@ALegendthateatslunchatam]

Bro is in an ammo box buffet

[@TRAMP-oline]

Ding farmer

[@AutumnReel4444]

"Ah, ah, ah, shit!" I literally choked on my own spit laughing, well done

[@proaxel7003]

Someone should have Freak Fortress Gaben boss make that noise whenever he gets set on fire 😂

[@Nazarov7781]

AMBATOBLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

[@alexxx4434]

TF2 came down to its ultimate design conclusion: a choke-point giant spam-fest.

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

AAA game logic these days

[@davisdf3064]

This is TF2 as Gaben intended

[@shockwaverc1369]

2fort sewer wars

[@mrstudent9125]

What if every weapon was at its strongest state in history? Invincible spies, insta spinning heavies, uber stopping Scouts etc

[@zunlise2341]

demoknight would be insane zatoichi with random crits, tide turner with full crits. it would be hellish.

[@PatrykPer]

What if it was what if every weapon was like it was originally

[@platinumdirt904]

Winbombing becomes prevalent again and demoman wins matchups against everyone Unbreakable, higher damage, shorter arm time, more reserve ammo, I wonder if there was any weapon that was more broken then the 2007 sticky launcher

[@Landjrin]

I've had this idea for SO LONG! Every weapon in its most powerful state! 75% Increase rev speed Tomislav! Full Stun Sandman! Airblast Reserve Shooter combos! Cleaver Combos! Full Crit Axtinguisher! No Fall-off or cooldown Ambassador! Full Crit Tide Turner! Bring it all back all at once, which one comes out on top? Were the nerfs justified? I've wanted someone to do this for SO long!

[@jking4854]

I've thought of this before, with the idea of if all weapons were at their strongest, would the game become "balanced"?

[@tylerbreau4544]

@0.45 "Players said they had fun regardless" Not surprised, instant spawn reduces the penalty of dying. Combine with the absurd number of teleporters in 100 player servers, which eliminates the "walk back to fight" delay. There is little penalty to dying. It allows players to take more risks and go a bit more crazy.

[@ThePoptartPrince]

shounic saying sex in the first 7 seconds made me spit out my water

[@tappajaav]

Swallow, don't spit!

[@d.i.ch.1501]

​@@tappajaavДа

[@fomxoo]

Ty for letting me artpass this map, hope yall enjoy the end result ❤

[@someone4229]

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[@TrixterTheFemboy]

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[@jaycardoTF]

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[@chatinmonarchives6894]

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[@TwiliPaladin]

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[@epicgamerzfail4575]

Everyone loves a good meatgrinder. Why do you think dustbowl is beloved

[@realdragon]

Ah dustbowl, you hate it and love it at the same time

[@notiermaker]

Dustbowl is literally WW1

[@gabrielsantosbastos5257]

​@@notiermakerDustrench when?

[@SeaAycheEyeEye]

Dustbowl being beloved is the craziest lie I've ever read on the internet

[@matthewhamilton4442]

@@SeaAycheEyeEye Well, I much prefer Dustbowl to Dust2. Most overrated map in gaming history, ahead of Facing Worlds.

[@DaxMarko]

Kudos to red engi who successfully built a sentry on blu's side at the end

[@Illegiblescream]

‘And anytime the point is capped both timers reset to 15 seconds.’ Holy shit, peak TF2.

[@typicalgentleman]

Only real ones remember the pit.

[@johnphipps4105]

What was the pit, and how can it come back?

[@genericname3516]

@@johnphipps4105 It's the inverted Viaduct shown at 3:00. Probably.

[@typicalgentleman]

@@johnphipps4105 You are clearly not a real one.

[@godsu]

Surprisingly the pit wasnt sniper hell

[@zzyxxyzz5442]

@@johnphipps4105 if you could contact someone who played on the test server during the pit, you could ask them for the .bsp file of it. or just watch the stream where shounic edited the map and perfectly re-create it.

[@flazzorb]

Finally, Panic! At the Capture Point.

[@nickenchugger]

Conclusion: 100 player mandrillmaze would be a good idea.

[@horactixtv]

I'll notify Hombre and Utsubro about this

[@s_ludge]

I unironically love this. This is how I enjoy playing TF2, completely mindless and trying to pull off sick tricks, clicks, and flicks while constantly dying. I have found my home.

[@tappajaav]

Unironically?

[@CraftMine1000]

"I inverted viaducts hill" Oh god that's so cursed I was not prepared for that

[@Cinnamowo]

Given that you can bypass deathcam by changing class anyway, yeah, true instant respawn is just less of a hustle This also unironically reminds me of that one time I joined 64 players 2fort and witnessed the most obsessed fight for occupied BLU's sewers. This "tower defence" is unironically very engaging and fun

[@corrinvondrachen1097]

I took part in such a think. Skial server I think. Huuuge fight in for the sewer-to-baee area.

[@absoultethings4213]

@@corrinvondrachen1097I’ve been in multiple skial 2fort sewer holds, true tf2

[@AstroChara]

​@@corrinvondrachen1097 Same same. Once or twice I've even seen people set up a base in intel room.

[@ashtongiertz8728]

I once convinced a casual 2fort server to all go engineer and play the game like an RTS. Everything was going great until we reached the enemy intel room.

[@jamesfunnymorrison8305]

hassle

[@AmaroqStarwind]

4:06 Bring back the TFC spawnroom security turrets. (Oh, and the Jolt physics engine, that was awesome.) Edit: Okay, you were one step ahead of me with the turrets.

[@red_ruby4881]

There was a gamemode similar to this in Unreal Tournament, I think it was called "Domination": you needed to capture two control points and hold them for 10 seconds for your team to get a point, after which position of two control points change. The team to first reach the needed amount of points (usually 5) wins.

[@LeakedWall548]

That would be a great game mode for tf2

[@RodjeSan]

Ah yes, distilled brain rot, my favorite game mode

[@kisaragi-hiu]

7:10 I've never heard of map-provided sentries to prevent spawn camping, but they seem nice, actually

[@aerinsoleris]

I've only ever seen them in some iterations of trade/idle maps

[@StateOfTheMind11225]

Killzone 2 and 3 multiplayer maps had this idea to prevent spawn camping but the turrets were still destructible leading to skill teams just bombarding the enemy spawn with grenades.

[@shrimpchris6580]

It's a really stupid idea

[@416d6f6e]

there used to be spawn protection sentries in tfc because or else you can just walk into the other team's spawn room

[@davisdf3064]

​@@shrimpchris6580 Not really, in case an enemy player finds a way to get into your spawn, you have an extra layer of protection to ensure no extreme spawn camping

[@cerocero2817]

The planetside 2 experience

[@ItsMoorbinTime]

Planetside 2 mentioned ⚠

[@bravodefeated9193]

yeaah that was a thing

[@presentfactory]

True lol. I loved the chaotic neverending battles Planetside 2 had. Quite fun game.

[@zennr_]

Me and the boys fighting for the Crown despite it being completely irrelevant to the maps situation.

[@alexxx4434]

Except PS2 wasn't so choke heavy.

[@Kittyhat]

inverted viaduct might be the single most cursed TF2 thing I have ever seen

[@derkatwork33]

This is like those penny auction websites, but TF2. Well done.

[@Ruija27]

What I'm thinking of is... can this concept be toned down and improved? In a way that makes it fun but reasonable to add into the game. There could be time to create a specialized map for the seasonal updates later this year

[@Padgriffin]

8:39 oh hey I was here. I remembered you saying “no we shouldn’t play it” only for chat to go absolutely WILD over mindless pub pushing and chanting “RECTANGLE” in chat

[@breadmilkYT]

Research shows that having the chaos of dustbowl without the 30 hour round timer actually makes for an enjoyable experience

[@davisdf3064]

Dustbowl with no respawn timer is TF2 as Gaben intended. The true class shooter.

[@Sizzyl]

the 100 player server is one of the best additions to tf2 ever, so much fun

[@SmileOmega1]

I wonder how a gamemode like this would be in a typical 12v12 setting? 50v50 is a chaotic mess, but It would be interesting to see how a small size affects it. In all likelihood, I predict it largely being negative, and would emphasize "first cap wins", but it would be a neat thing to see regardless.

[@eduardpeeterlemming]

Shounic is the kinda person to wonder "What if your health multiplied per tick of damage" and then code it into the game

[@viket8316]

i love how the players act like if they where the mercs themselves in the comedy levels of animations just no question go capture the point and kill between each other, even this happend in shitower but in the halloween version everyone is a bitch about no capping but in halloween everyone caps like normal just because the boss of the mercs are there yelling to work like if they are actually following orders

[@davisdf3064]

There's something in TF2 that brings us to become as silly as possible

[@cgrockwell]

Extremely funny idea

[@Bupboy]

3:08 shounic literally just creates king of the hill

[@altEFG]

"The gameplay was fine" Proceeds to show utter chaos

[@luigio8484]

how are you still keeping your sanity in check after being witness to so many horrors upon this earth

[@blunderbus2695]

"The problem was with people bypassing the point entirely." - Splatoon 3's map designers looking at beta Eeltail Alley

[@maskofthedragon]

2:18 Average ICS map

[@apblolol]

we have circle. we need hallway. if i may multi layered hallway, with the highest level being the most unobscured sightline and the lowest level being the most cluttered. health packs and walls breaking up the bottom from a clear view one side to the other giving defensive classes an easier time to get into the combat. the middle layers can be set up for more mobile classes like soldier and scout with flank routes that converge on the point.

[@Big_RandyTM]

This mode is the world’s most enjoyable heart attack

[@sergeantarchdornan3013]

Forget the promise of hats and friendlies, for In the grim darkness of the gravel wars there is only war. There is no peace amongst the mercenaries, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting crit gods.

[@techmouse.]

I love how shounic is basically recreating all of the best TF2 servers in 2009. What a glorious time it was.

[@SamOliver4]

the 100-player server on the technical test map reminds me of those Blender/OpenGL physics stress test demo games you could sometimes come across online

[@CjJello]

Thought: would a death pit surrounding the capture point, either partially or entirely, make the mode more interesting? I think it’d incentivize classes with forms of cc (pyro, soldier, demo), but I’d also assume those classes are already pretty strong here.

[@BeaglzRok1]

War be like: In seriousness, I have no idea why Valve got rid of the spawn-protection sentries. It's a great idea.

[@CoolJosh3k]

Health drop would be awful. Players suddenly gaining health back is like fighting a soldier with 250HP (or worse).

[@bravodefeated9193]

love it you turn tf2 into your own sandbox, a product of your labor and love

[@sarminder4357]

Rot with 100 players has to be the funniest time I've ever had in TF2

[@someasiandude4797]

TF2 meat grinder edition head will ache, eyes will cry, hands will hurt, pc will overheat, dopamine will overflow.

[@agentduck9285]

Shounic you are constantly finding new ways to make tf2 fun, keep up the good work.

[@thatwindowsxpfan1234]

Loved taking part in this experiment! Hope to see the next one (maybe i'll have finished shoDater my then :P)

[@RapsterDude]

This man should be a phd student in all feilds, but instead he just does tf2 shit. Keep on doing it man God speed

[@lamMeTV]

TIL that "better than sex" means worse than death

[@Foxite__]

I like how this channel is going from explaining glitches to legit, thought-out game design on silly ideas.

[@CoolJosh3k]

Spawn protection sentries are an interesting idea. I’d like to see a spawn camp heavy map, but with Uber inside the respawn zone that fades when you exit the respawn zone.

[@thatguyyouknowtheone4073]

I love how all of your videos legit have lessons. like this is so cool to see and it informs ideas even outside of tf2

[@MARKY2428]

Shounic, i'm not sure about how much you read comments but i thought you were the right person to ask this to. (And i'm pretty sure you didn't cover this yet so) I'm going insane over trying to find out more about the sapper idle animation where Spy's left hand flicks one of the sapper switches, which is apparently what the leftover left hand on the sapper's viewmodel was for. It's so obscure to the point that people on reddit have called it a mandela effect when bringing it up, and there's only one or two threads about it on the tf2 wiki and steam forums. People say it was ''removed'' or that it was ''rare'', but when exactly was it even in game at all? Since 2007 and even in the beta the Spy has no animation for flicking the switch, and people say it's on the orange box version of tf2 while clearly it is not there either. The only concrete exposure i've had to this animation was a 2007 viewmodel restoration pack that added it for the sapper, which got me searching information on it. (Apologies in advance if i sound like a complete runaway lunatic)

[@EmperorPrinc3]

3:08 There was a map in TFC that looked just like this called "king of the boob"

[@ElZik3r]

Shounic is the Cave Johnson of tf2 i swear to god

[@humanharddrive1]

this is so epic, i’m so glad we have shounic and his server

[@gooel]

Honestly the last interesting TF2 youtuber

[@_shuddie]

ngl this is just what 100 player servers feel like all the timr

[@DragonaxFilms]

Really cool seeing you explain the testing and reasoning behind the map design 👍

[@dylangreen192]

I don't know why, but the video cutting to all the chaos happening at the point has some sort of comedic effect

[@sora911204]

Absolutely wild that you put more thought and playtest these brainrot game modes/maps more than most workshop maps that get officially accepted

[@ShOwOba]

This is unironically so badass, we need more of this sort of unfiltered insanity

[@purpleapple4052]

The tunnel demoknights are so fucking funny

[@AverageMichaelJordans]

"Tunnel snakes rule"

[@Bupboy]

They make me wanna merge without looking!!! (Anytime I see that phrase I have to do it)

[@poleve5409]

"The bosses didn't bring anything interesting" Oh so just like in normal tf2 huh?

[@TLGsOldTrash]

“We created Verdun for fun”

[@Zodaxa_zdx]

I love how theoretical the design jargon sounds until you put footage of the 100 players actually playing and seeing what happens, absolute mad scientist era

[@Trazel_Apeally]

Gabe N's ending message this time, gave me a new perspective on life. I felt the emotion, the pain, the suffering. Truly a visionary quote from beyond our time.

[@CreemSmile]

Okay but that art pass is unreasonably good

[@youtubeisawebsite7484]

scientifically refining the tf2 experience to blow out your dopamine receptors

[@jonathanaguirre6508]

Literally tf2 edging

[@andreethier816]

I wonder if you could do a payload map that was a big loop with no final point? Give it 5 points (or more), and whenever the pushing team caps a third point, the furthest one back switches back to defending team (you'd have to have gates or something that dynamically close as to force the teams to face each other head on as well).

[@notloopers1110]

this is probably the closest you can get to the thunder dome bloodbath in TF2 and i think its the fucking BEST

[@IInferno]

SeriousMartin would go crazy for this

[@Uladzya]

That's some kind of an abstract and surreal art already.

[@evanwilliams1839]

That intro line made me do like 10 double takes. The matter of factly statement is superb.

[@EmperorSigismund]

Imagine getting a new Team Fortress game designed around huge player servers. Like jumping into battle scene in GI Joe but with more giblets and screaming.

[@Hardrian_Hardrada_Cicero]

All there needs to be for this gamemode is an evil map design level that I'll call "The Box" and basically everyone would just spawn on top of the cap and let pandemonium ensue.

[@Thexxmixx]

valve-tendo, hire this man

[@athath2010]

shoutouts to that engineer in the last clip who managed to build and upgrade a sentry under those conditions

[@realdragon]

"TF2 players love chaos" In another news water is wet

[@willcubemakes]

This video is gonna be so fun to watch

[@graymondgt1397]

Now we need an art pass for the test map

[@vertise]

3:08 i love how one of your experiments is literally just the boob map from tfc lol

[@jalapenoandbanana]

Emesis Blue: "It's eternity in there." Emesis Red:

[@moonlitlake]

The opening line of this video within the first 10 seconds was enough for me to immediately leave a like. I love you shounic

[@RobsonLanaNarvy]

1:08 This is exactly what the developer had in vision for this game

[@weedsoldier.]

9 seconds in im already yes-sir'ing and nodding in agreement (i have never had sexual intercourse)

[@Captain1nsaneo]

Reminds me a bit of some of the old Unreal Tournament maps. Specifically a map that was a tall box with a pole in the middle, was CTF with low grav and you spawned next to your opponent's flag so you only needed to go half the distance but everyone had insta-death shock rifles.

[@sadtooncat]

New drinking game: In 100-players, take a shot every time you see a Medic using the Amputator taunt or an Engineer using a Short Circuit ball.

[@blacklight683]

0:37 2fort experience