I moved Brazilian clubs to England and THIS happened...

Welcome to TomFM! In today's Football Manager 2023 experiment video I moved Brazilian clubs such as Palmerias and Corinthians to the English Premier League to see how they'd do. I also moved some English clubs such as Leicester City and Southampton to Brazil.
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[@brunomoscozo]

As a Brazilian I loved to see it, thanks Tom

[@TomFM]

Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@jucalebre7540]

PALMEIRAS NAO TEM MUNDIAL

[@brunomoscozo]

@@jucalebre7540 e 87 é do Sport

[@felipaobravo6759]

@@brunomoscozo fodasse vcs dois o maior do brasil é o vasco

[@Luizedu]

​@@jucalebre7540vc não tem pai e ngm sai por ai dizendo

[@viyum2279]

4:09 Abel Ferreira no Athletico Paranaense jogando a 2° Divisão da Premier Ligue...

[@Yugi3844]

É só colocar Brasil no título que a gente toma conta dos comentários 🇧🇷

[@ANGELITABERTI12322]

Sim, isso se chama complexo de vira casca

[@brasilogiatrivial8656]

Br é carente demais. Que coisa.

[@gabrielmontanhole]

would be cool to see how this would play out without the travel costs

[@brx8983]

yeah, it's ridiculous the fact that he did it without moving the clubs to england

[@JamieAubrey]

I'd like to see how the top 20 clubs ( one club from each nation ) would do in the Premier League ( so essentially a mini world super league )

[@Mobilz3]

Do an Iberian league , mix the top 10 Portuguese clubs with the top 10 Spanish leagues please. 😊

[@pedrohenriquecarneiro3386]

I think, in real life, Flamengo and Palmeiras would be solid mid table teams in the Prem, and the others would be yo-yo clubs(although Flu has a very strong attack, Cano, Lelê, Marcelo, Ganso, and Keno)

[@giovanigoncalves7089]

Flamengo, Palmeiras and Fluminense would contend for Top 5 and most of the others would be mid table... We cannot think those 3 are worse than Tottenham and Newcastle for example

[@luiseduardo4748]

​@@giovanigoncalves7089 cara tu é completamente maluco se tu acha que o flamengo atual, que perdeu pro BOTAFOGO é melhor que o time do Newcastle. Até o Tottenham que tá em crise, de um lado o Gabigol trocentos jogos sem fazer gol com bola rolando, do outro o HARRY KANE

[@emmanuelnogueira39]

​@@luiseduardo4748 respeita o Botafogo, ele ganharia a Premier League

[@perfumedozap]

I think Brazilian football has a very high floor but not a high ceiling, realistically all clubs would be like Crystal Palace in terms of generally surviving the Prem but never being great, with the top 3 in Flamengo, Palmeiras and Fluminense competing for UEL.

[@fabiolimabonangelo3015]

@@perfumedozap Atlético Mineiro,botafogo and vasco are better than crystal palace

[@RenanSperendio]

It would be fair for the English teams to remove the rule of foreign players in the Brazilian league. Only that way we would know the true potential

[@knight_05]

This.

[@alemattoso1998]

as a brazilian and a Palmeiras fan, i loved it man

[@TricksterBloom]

You absolute madlad, you actually went for it that was awesome to see how the clubs got on, very nice!

[@basileosalexios9200]

Athletico Paranaense is THE moneyball team of Brazil. Probably the most interesting club there to follow nowadays, they're always coming up with new stuff. Shame there's no way to follow the club in English.

[@TomFM]

That's cool, I'll have to do some deep dives into their strategy

[@antonioramos522]

you dont know shit bout brazilian football hahaha

[@awesonimals1216]

Athletico is decent but if you are looking for a club to follow just go for Palmeiras Palmeiras is just like C.A.P except that they are richer, being honest there Even their stadiums look alike

[@vitorflavio3641]

​@Awesonimals if you want to follow a demoted team that got fraudulent investments from a suspicious Bank, money laundry, yeah go with palmeiras.

[@someadcstuff7670]

​@@awesonimals1216 their stadiums have nothing to do with each other man, you trippin lol

[@harryburchnall]

Really good video again mate. Up the imps. Would love a Lincoln livestream after you’ve gone bankrupt, either that or with the same backing as Wrexham. LNER is a great stadium to play at despite the name.

[@Maffchops]

I love FM videos with Bazilian clubs (0:01)

[@zacfas]

This is why I love playing Football Manager. It allows you to experiment and explore different possibilities that you wouldn't normally get to experience in real life.

[@TomFM]

It's full of possibilities, I get so curious about everything!

[@seannn19]

@@TomFM how to move the clubs to other league?

[@wiseomg]

@@seannn19 You need to buy the ingame editor, about 8 dollars

[@netanellevi5118]

@@wiseomg I'm pretty sure you could only do that with the pre-game editor, which is free

[@sirtonyholohan69]

You can’t even move clubs in the in game one

[@TheLegend-jz7mg]

Hi Tom, I love your content but sometimes I feel like you don’t know crucial things for these experiments. I think with me are a lot of people that knew Brazilian teams cannot have that many foreigners in their team and I feel like you should have edited the English clubs squads so the players would all be Brazilian, to give them a fair chance to compete. If you do something like this again maybe it’s worth it to do a test run beforehand and actually take charge of a switched team for a few months before you start the actual experiment, because then you can be aware of these things. I have seen other cases where I felt like you should have known something before the experiment and it ended up having an impact on the outcome (I can’t remember right now but I’m sure you do). Again I love your content, it’s very creative and I understand how much time goes in it, but this is just a small tip. Keep up the great content ❤

[@sp3ngg]

Good thing it wasn't an English clubs in Brazilian league experiment 🥴 who cares

[@Lukadsgr]

wtf? this doesn't even make sense, why he would change the squads of the english clubs? the objective is clear here, and is about THE BRAZILIAN CLUBS and see if they can survive in the Premier league.... About the foreigners, they are not in BRAZIL LEAGUE!!! THIS IS FUCKING OBVIOUS, they are in Premier League, sooooo is common to them make some transfers and renovate the squad.

[@TheHernest85]

Lol the video is about Brazilian clubs at Premier League, not English teams at Brasileirão. This mean the rules are the ones we see in Premier League, so idk wht u mean abt not allowing foreigner players, it makes no sense

[@realityfloor9356]

Europeans think that the Brazilian Football Championship is slow, they don't understand that Brazilian states are bigger than European countries, Brazilian clubs usually travel 8 thousand km between matches, which means that, with a favorable score, the players have They have to play at a slower pace to preserve themselves physically. .

[@neilm838]

Could it be an idea of "moving" the stadiums closer too. £10M a season on travel wouldn't have helped them.

[@juanitojones3807]

Yeah, that's exactly I though, he forgot to swap stadiums and facilities between the teams, so all of the 12 teams were doing half of their games in the UK and the other half in Brazil, that's not cost effective at all and most likely hurt their physical conditions between matches. I would like to see it fully swapped between them as a more reasonable test.

[@edisbajramovic1245]

Wow, very cool video love it !

[@renandmrtns]

Tom, you just invoked us all. Congrats. 🇧🇷

[@Guinter91]

As an Internacional supporter I hoped for a better run. At least we got back up to prem at the end! Never give up and DALE INTER!!

[@allyourgardeningneeds]

Appreciate the experiment with Brazilian football, Tom!

[@nikeryt8312]

I loved watching videos from my home country... put all the teams from the Brazilian series in the English second division, it will be cool

[@aaron7_mufc]

Another great video Tom

[@rossnewman86]

Would love to see you do a combination experiment so for example add the English and Spanish league structures together and put teams in league structure based on reputation

[@renzah8790]

Another Great video bro

[@user-sn6ku2rl8m]

TOM, LOVE YOUR VIDEOS FROM ISRAEL! KEEP DOING THOSE SIMULATIONS!!!!

[@eduardodesouza493]

man as a brazilian, this video is sick!!!! subcribed 🎉

[@elmo3538]

thanks from brazil, tom!

[@culks5167]

Love the experiments Tom. Any chance that you could do one swapping the top 3-4 clubs in the league of Ireland with the bottom 2-4 clubs in Scotland?

[@Leandrotroy22]

O malvado é incaível até na Premier League

[@quickspeeder4947]

UMA VEZ FLAMENGO, SEMPRE FLAMENGO

[@DefensorLF]

Tem mais flamenguistas do que a população inteira da inglaterra, exquece

[@davib.almeida3613]

​@@DefensorLF o numero de terceirizados do flamidia não chega nem perto

[@DefensorLF]

@@davib.almeida3613 esquece o flamengo kkkk chore por outra coisa

[@davib.almeida3613]

@@DefensorLF chorar ? O Flamengo atualmente só me da motivos para rir

[@davidefrancisco5912]

I havent seen it yet but my like is ther3 already. This ought to be good! 😂

[@21Bravado]

Hi, Tom. As of this season, the Brazilian League (Serie A) allowed seven foreign players per team.

[@eoghan.]

half of the £11m travel cost was trains to the north

[@PauloVLopes]

Tom did you take into account the Foreign Players limitations in Brazil? Until last year it was only 5 foreigners in the 23-man match squad. Maybe that's why the English teams went so bad in the Brazilian League.

[@joelharris6368]

That is definitely the reason, I imagine they were playing greyed out players for the most part

[@Jonatam-brazilian]

Now in 2023 Brazilian teams can have 7 foreign players, they changed the rule because many foreign players are going to play in Brazil and this season of the Brasileirão promises

[@Cam_Jong_Un]

Idk if you’ve done it yet Tom but you should give the Czechs a mega tv deal, Sparta has been a very fun save this year and I’m getting sick of having no money

[@caioaraujo8409]

I think next time you do this, try to change player's second nationality, so them they would be available to play. Like, adding an english nationality to all players from brazilian teams in the UK, and brazilian nationality to all players from english clubs in Brazil. As a brazilian football fan and football manager player i love this video. Thanks mate. Keep the good work

[@idiakosesunday3806]

Gonna be lit

[@Rei_Shaman]

Tom, come to Brazil!

[@LoboLakerGaming]

Hi Tom, could you maybe try switching the bottom 10 of the Championship with the top 10 of MLS? I feel like that’s where there’s a bit of parity. Not sure how good FM23 is at managing the East/West conference system in MLS, but would be interesting to see if the worst Championship teams could compete for MLS titles, Open Cups, and CONCACAF champs league titles; and see if any of the MLS clubs can get themselves established in the PL.

[@pedrinn2789]

that idea of changing the top6 of both leagues is nice if you come to think that all the big six are better than the top 6 from brazil, so if they lost every game against liverpool, united, city, chelsea, spurs and arsenal in prem, each one would have failed to win 36 points by losing 2 games against each one of the big six so, if they didnt have to compete against them, maybe they would finish on ucl spots and maybe even win the league great video mate, would love to see this idea on a part2 of brazilian experiment maybe all the love from brazil 🎉

[@knight_05]

it would be fairer if they removed Brazilian players from European clubs

[@alexm2926]

Thank you for ur video. I will doing the same but with the top 8 leagues of the world 🌎

[@leitesf]

O Mengão é incaível até na Premier League no FM.

[@ElMello29]

You should do it with the 5 big teams of Argentina (Boca, River, Independiente, Racing and San Lorenzo)

[@jogi7314]

How about a video with 3 teams only consisting players with full mental vs technical vs physical abilities? 😊👍

[@massivemuscleman3414]

Easily the best FM KZbinr rn

[@dhovadick]

No way Fluminense's lawyers accepted its relegation

[@Imperador-Vi]

Palmeiras in the thumbnail. You just made me weirdly happy.

[@Imperador-Vi]

also you mispelled Brazillian in the start of the video

[@nathanhawkins9149]

Can you keep this series coming? Maybe you could put some top Turkish clubs in see how galatasaray and fenerhache do, or possibly like some rich Saudi clubs?

[@gijsw8681]

I think you should divide travel cost by amount of games played for a fair comparison there mate 😉

[@xristoskatsapis2570]

You should do 1.8b TV Deal with the greek league, it could be interesting because they are doing well in your experiments😅😅

[@renandmrtns]

It is funny that there is the existence of a "Palmeiras Mafia" inside FM, 'cause there is a Palmeiras Mafia in real life, it's name is "Crefisa"

[@TomFM]

I hope they don't find me...

[@renandmrtns]

@@TomFM 💀

[@davib.almeida3613]

Engole o choro

[@glxywlf]

I did something similar with Liga MX teams on Fifa. Would love to see how the do on FM

[@leksenas]

GALOOOOOOO DECAMPEAO FODA PRA CRL

[@thecreationguy2380]

I love ur videos could u do this with liga mx

[@charlierobinson9411]

Tom, I love to see how about two minutes into this video you manage to sort out your pronunciation of Palmeiras!

[@willywonka7812]

Temporarily. And then Fluminense got repeatedly mangled

[@yvltc]

What? He completely butchered every single time he said Palmeiras

[@willywonka7812]

@@yvltc there was one or two times when he didn't put the I after the R, after a couple of minutes, but he reverted to butchery shortly after

[@yvltc]

@@willywonka7812 but that's not the only problem with his pronunciation. He says something like pal-mee-ras but it should be pal-may-ras, the "ei" is read like in "may", "say", "day".

[@willywonka7812]

@@yvltc ah ok, well I assumed that palmeeras was as correct as it was likely to get for an anglophone 😆

[@80saft]

🎉you are the man

[@Letherface47]

I’d love to see these things with other leagues in Latin America. (Argentina for Prem, Mexico for Prem/Championship, etc)

[@skyen85]

I think there are many football fans in Brazil very curious to know the performance of their teams in the new clubs world cup.

[@pedreja]

É o Mengo, não tem jeito

[@simtastics9010]

@TomFm dumb question but how is that list that shows players CA accessed ???

[@cesarlemos1337]

That's an amazing experiment, but I feel it missed some in depth information. If the teams kept their regular players or they've changed their roster too much, if they kept receiving broadcast rights from Brazil or from PL. When it comes to money, I ended up having so many questions. Flamengo is the richest team in Brazil, mostly because of our supporters, but comparatively to PL teams, our entire league worth less than the top 2 from Prem. This has to do a lot with exchange rates and all, but it's quite impressive that they even had a fighting chance. Maybe you should do it again, Brazilian public on KZbin is massive. But maybe you should try to go a bit more into their finances, rosters, movements, because that's the type of stuff we want to see.

[@TheDuckboys1]

Absolutely follow this up with the top 6 swapped

[@altijdgames1160]

I would like to see all the dutch teams in England. Cause i am dutch. God video btw

[@yingdat9295]

Video Suggestion: I created a promotion and relegation system for MLS and Australian Soccer League.

[@chrisbachke]

could you make a video on how to do this? i want to do this with different teams as well but i have no idea on how to do it

[@fortuneandrew51]

Please drop a video on how to swap clubs

[@Orrsum]

Could you do a video with Sheffield United?

[@symptomofsouls]

You should do this with the Saudi League next

[@gawaincommandeur2964]

Do this with the eredivisie top 6

[@yuripantoja8219]

Flamengo is like that, if it is well managed it can compete very well but the guys who are currently in charge there are the worst possible

[@chicabubr7094]

It would be interesting if you had show the managers

[@ThiagoLc06]

LETS GOOOOO PALMEIRAS SUPPORTER HEREEEEEE 😂😂😂😂 AMAZING EXPERIENCE TOM, THANKS!!!

[@quintensjakie669]

Do this with the eredivisie

[@therealkdealhooker]

not sure if youve done it before, but can we see a european superleague please, with 20 of the best teams in europe battlig it out

[@crozor1493]

All the red bull clubs next maybe

[@gustavoschulzdalledone8191]

As an Athletico fan, this video broke my heart

[@Jonatam-brazilian]

Kkkkk 😂

[@bielzera9149]

Relaxa, athletico ta em uma crescente absurdo, logo estaremos falando que no Brasil tem 13 Grandes, nao 12. Enquanto isso o principal rival vive de ser rebaixado

[@laajimi]

Wow, this is so cool! I never would have thought that moving Brazilian clubs to England could have such a huge impact.

[@chaopauludo7821]

Lógico que teria, a Inglaterra é menor que o estado de São Paulo

[@TheCudlitz]

@@chaopauludo7821 E o que isso tem a ver com o que ele falou?

[@bradtiemann]

I'm really impressed by your skills in this game. It's amazing how you were able to turn things around for these clubs!

[@ayoutubechannel7143]

wat

[@vininas]

Well, my team never has been demoted in Brasil and as it seems in Premier League as well. Football heritage I guess

[@Tuinlaaf]

How do you list the current abilities?

[@queijinhow1]

As a Flamengo fan, we are used to not get relegated EVER in our history, even in a game and even in premier league. Great video!

[@andredesenaaugusto4357]

👃👃👃

[@queijinhow1]

@@andredesenaaugusto4357 Pode até ser cheirinho, mas menti dizendo que nunca foi rebaixado? Acho que não xD

[@012Yankes]

For first season they can have problem, about players registration law

[@logan7set787]

It’s hilarious how Flamengo aways have the protection of the system in FM hahahahaha

[@MagoGamerX]

In Brazil the clubs play a tournament for every state, in the Premier League they still plays in this tournaments?

[@TomFM]

They did, however I think it took away from the overall flow of the video and for non-Brazilians could be a bit complicated to follow so left it out. Maybe next time!

[@MagoGamerX]

@@TomFM i see, but my doubt is that's tournaments overflow the calendar and the Brazilian trips much more, and is play in beginning of the year, when the players must be in vacation However, great vídeo Tom, keep the amazing job

[@viniciussantana9333]

Missed mineiro at Premier league

[@ok_jilvanei]

Flamengo's fan here!!!

[@yosefbp]

You should do Argentinian as well, not sure if they will do as good as Brazilian teams

[@leeatterbury4498]

How do you move clubs to other leagues please

[@Paul-yy1qh]

hey how do i move clubs into diffrent leagues ?

[@shadowrayhaan4051]

Next time try Argentinian clubs like boca , River plate , Velez and etc..

[@denisnevesdearaujo8768]

Travel costs isn't a problem for Brazilian teams.Transport tickets per kilometer/mile in Brazil are more expensive, and brazilian territory is some dozen times the UK one.

[@peutom]

As a brazilian, I'm really happy with this video! Especially because I'm a Flamengo fan. I really think that Palmeiras and Flamengo could do well in the Premier League in real life, these two teams have a great squad and lots of money, I feel like they could battle for european places regularly.

[@user-kt6gn1ds1e]

Doubt it, nothing against either of those teams in fact I’ve watched both teams live and had a great time at the games when I travelled around Brazil but the top 6 is just too good for them to get in there.

[@peutom]

​@@user-kt6gn1ds1e Fair enough. I still think that Flamengo and Palmeiras can perform the same level as Aston Villa or Brighton (maybe even Tottenham today?) and fight for those European places, but maybe you're right. I guess we'll ever know 😅

[@a.u.r.a.s]

They wouldn't. Probably would get relegated and struggle at Championship

[@David-qq9bk]

@@Pedro1902FFC "eUrOpEaN fOoTbALL iS oVeRrAtEd"; also european football: won all the last 10 club world cups

[@pomonews]

@@David-qq9bk This is a simple question of economics, whoever has more money buys better players... Europeans are filled with south american, african and even a number of asian players. In order to compete regularly, they would have equal economic conditions, and could, for example, avoid selling players who today leave for better salaries and career conditions. The differentiating factor IS money.

[@treblouxos]

How could you move the clubs from the Brazilian League to The Premier League

[@maxproietti8211]

Video idea: give worst team in top 5 countries top youth facilities and see what happens

[@focsfirestar5399]

Uma coisa se ta errado querendo ou não a liga brasileira e a mais competitiva por que se adapta, questão de anos esses clubes iriam dominar ai

[@Manny44667]

Did u took off the rules of the league? Like having X british players etc?

[@pedrogadelha8686]

Happy to see that my Flamengo was the only brazilian that wasn’t relegated, just how it is in Brazil

[@gabrielmartins2914]

Thiefs

[@alessandrozetticci]

For context, they are the only team amongst the ones included in the video to never be relegated. São Paulo and Santos also have never been relegated.

[@rodrigorodriguesdelgado.9674]

The greatest clubs in Brazil... from last season, great.

[@rodrigorodriguesdelgado.9674]

As a Brazilian that's really great.

[@attediaz8344]

What are the rules in English PL? as the brazilians teams have only non eu players.

[@scifimonkey3]

Ha, so Scarpa and Danilo got shipped out of the premier league despite moving from Palmerias to Forest but given that they already had 5 Brazilian players ( or did you not have the Jan transfer window included?) i dont understand that foreign player issue????? For Forest

[@gabrielmontanhole]

IS THAT A MF PALMEIRAS REFERENCE??? 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔛🔛🔛🔝🔝🔝🔝