I never knew how badly I needed this!

[@zepesh]

Thanks Steve!

[@MichaelBerthelsen]

Thanks, Steve!

[@joncepet]

Back to you Steve!

[@adinapolt]

😂

[@christophermullins7163]

The meme that never, ever dies..

[@Paradigmfusion]

Thanks Papa!

[@mordechy]

In my job I am cutting acrylic on laser also made custom distro plates on CNC machines. any CO2 laser will cut acrylic. don't cheap out on smoke extraction. also air assist in the nozzle helps with cleaner cuts. size of the laser and power totally up to you if you want to cut 6mm and above acrylic efficiently and in decent speeds you really need the high watt lasers(100w and above).

[@NorsePeak]

If he decides to cut metal (depending on thickness), CO2 will be needed although at a higher power wattage. I watched a good video of someone making their own, and that helped me make mine.

[@kskrug2113]

9:28 Jay says “he’s not going to mill a channel in his IHS to put a probe in there.” We all know when Steve shows up Jay WILL do just that. LOL

[@devonjohnson7501]

Jay, I'd like you to know that I've been appreciating the content you already provide as-is. I watch you, GN, HUB, and Paul for the unique views and methods you all provide. I also understand the need to grow and improve. Good luck on your new ventures!

[@larryplympton9727]

^ I was going to say almost exactly the same thing, but you said it better than I would have.

[@vertigo1055]

I got familiar with Elmor Labs several years back when asking around and doing research for better logging when stress testing my PC builds for stability. Since I tend to upgrade an entire system every 2 years with a GPU or CPU upgrade by itself every year I needed to know how far I could push my overclocks and remain rock solid stable while also maintaining acceptable temps.. With a couple small pieces of hardware it made tuning things to the edge easier and then pulling back a notch or 2 for the reason I am not doing it for a competitive OC. With CPUs having been given all the juice and now the 2 Big Companies are pulling back on those numbers there's way more headroom to OC then every before (possible slight exaggeration but you get the point) and so having accurate info is critical. I've only recently started mesing with memory and the timings and it's "A Process" to say the least. My wish is that I find something to make that journey easier as it's a full day, if not more, of tweaking little by little to get things going and that includes writing down everything or rather typing into a spreadsheet so when a BIOS Update clears all that info out it's a matter of "Copy and Paste" and that's also for CPU tuning. Cheers! Stay Healthy and Stay Sane and I wish you all the fun of going through the hardware logging catelog Elmor's Lab has to offer! There's other sites as well but can't remember off the top of my head right now.

[@MrsRepairTech]

This is super cool! I'm going to share with my hubby. I think it would be very useful to help show customers when their PSUs are under-powered. We have a contraption to test whether the voltage from the PSU (12V, CPU, PCIe rails) stays constant under a small load; this would help round-out our diagnostic tool kit for PSUs and component/system power.

[@rawj1213]

Sounds like you run a shop together with your husband. That’s so cool! Hope the new devices make yall’s life easier and more enjoyable! 🙏🏼🙌🏼

[@Njazmo]

You can absolutely underpower your PSU, peak powers are high when everything happens suddenly, then you know watching a booting PC.

[@MrsRepairTech]

@@rawj1213 In a way! I'm not in the shop as much as I'd like to be, and boss has bigger fish to fry, so hubby is usually holding the fort down solo. But he loves electrical gizmos and projects (that's why I call our PSU testing set-up a contraption... LOL). And he's always looking for better (more conclusive) ways to test components. :D

[@MrsRepairTech]

@@Njazmo And an underpowered PSU can cause a variety of intermittent symptoms, too. We have a not-so-great electrical grid in our city; many houses have fluctuating voltages. We also have wind and electrical storms that cause regular power outages, which is always a risk to a PC plugged straight into the wall. We try to keep 500W PSUs, surge protectors, and UPCs (for our biz clients with servers) on hand during Fall/Spring. A browning out PSU is a bummer, BUT at least the hardest part of the upgrade is just the spaghetti.

[@Dasilent_deer]

Glad your reaching out into the deep stats, just don't lose the goodness you guys do, it's one reason I've always watched your videos

[@ghomerhust]

the perfect mix would be "chaos with accuracy" and im here for it

[@HenrySomeone]

Most of his videos aren't reviews anyway (and you can't really make proper reviews very entertaining no matter what), so it seems highly unlikely in any case.

[@aperson7624]

Laser: You're right, you need a CO2 laser for acrylic (CO2 is also good at wood, but not good at copper, for example). How much power depends on the max thickness you want to cut. 1/8" material is a 30-40w laser, 1/2" material needs more like 120W. Because you want to cut plastics, you must have ventilation because the fumes are toxic. Most people use Lightburn to drive lasers. It's basically the equivalent to the 'slicer' type software your 3D printers use. You will want an enclosure. 120w is enough laser power to cook your skin black almost instantly. Even a partial reflection (say, 30W) will hurt badly. The final choice is between a galvo system and a normal gantry. A galvo system has the laser mounted in the back and uses two lightweight mirrors to reflect the beam on the target (one of the mirrors is normally on a mobile gantry, but because mirrors are measured in grams, the gantry can move EXTREMELY fast). A normal gantry (like a glowforge) has the laser on the gantry itself. This is a cheaper solution, but limits how fast the laser can be moved, as vibration ruins laser focus and thus cut performance. I'm happy to explain more about lasers, I'm not sure exactly what you need to know. Tell me how to get in touch with you if you want to know more.

[@titan1983x]

It's good to see Jay and Steve working together! Loving this.

[@JBrinx18]

Now if Linus and GN Steve could make up

[@Crawdoodle]

@@JBrinx18no

[@Crawdoodle]

@@JBrinx18no please

[@SaFireSunSet]

@@JBrinx18 that would require Linus not to be well...Linus.

[@christophermullins7163]

Yep. Yuuup. Y3P love to see it.

[@StygianAscot]

Jay! You look and sound genuinely excited about this! It's nice to see!

[@bradbrowatzke7236]

Great way to slide in a Batman reference, Jay! And, yes, there are many references to monsters and being the monster, or variations of it, in the lore across all of the titles in the Batman universe of comics. With your test bench, you had the right idea with those additions. It looks like you could put one or two more of those long posts up, as there are holes to coincide with each of the removeable blanks for PCI hardware to access the outside. That would give you an additional point (or points) of solid anchorage needed for a more stable mount.

[@rustybucket164]

Christmas came early for Jay. Looks like someone has new toys to play with.

[@christophermullins7163]

If playing with PCs was my job.. I could die today a happy man. I do some similar tech stuff so it's not bad lol

[@rustybucket164]

@@christophermullins7163 I got a friend whose a machine mechanic for factories. When the company give the team new tools, EVERYBODY try to find a problem to use the new tools on lol.

[@WayStedYou]

1:36 Social credit DEDUCTED

[@jo_magpie]

China or Taiwan? Both.

[@dg-dm1rr]

Lol Jay has one of the best thumbnail faces in the biz 🤪

[@richmotz304]

Apparently Jay is attempting to create the new drinking game of "Take a shot every time he mentions Steve"...

[@zbishop90]

Thanks Steve

[@madbradfreeman]

Nice to see you having fun, and all in the name of Science!

[@Dan-Simms]

Surprised me that you didn't know Elmor, or recognized the name from benchmarking charts... Always near the top, he's an XOC OG! You're definitely going to be revisiting his shop lol.

[@PaulHindt]

I finally picked up one of those Open Benchtables (AKA Streacom BC1). It's been very intuitive to work with and has excellent build quality. My only real nitpick is that it seems like the mounts for radiators should have at least two screws. I worry that the weight placed on those single-screw mounts will cause premature wear on the threads over time, but we'll see.

[@DeanMurphyCDM]

Thanks for this comment. Was trying to find the name of the bench and the Amazon links in the description weren’t working for some reason.

[@midoribushi5331]

I love it when jay is excited and enjoying something new. Glad to see it! Also, I am happy to have Steve and Jay work together!

[@bradjohnson5643]

I love the Thumbnail..LOL. You are such a goober. I bet you and your family have a lot of fun together.

[@brokawmike]

JTC and GN is a collab that we would all love to see happen a couple times a year. You guys are going to be such a great collab.

[@NathanBorup]

Phil behind the camera: Jay, hold the thing still damnit! 🤣

[@tiagotiagot]

The only thing I know about laser cutters is you need an enclosure to protect your eyes (any windows if present, need to be the right material to filter the frequencies; infrared is more dangerous at lower powers because being invisible the IR light doesn't trigger your blink reflex; but usually anything strong enough to cut is always dangerous if it happens to bounce towards your eyes, can't blink fast enough to avoid damage), and the fumes/particulates are pretty bad for your health.

[@Hotecce1]

you dont have to worry so much about the laser damaging your eyes, as most laser machines come with the correct filtering goggles. The only reason you need an enclosure,with fan extraction, is to suck out all of the smoke as it produces alot of smoke. If you make your own enclosure, you can add a window with green see through perspex. thats what i have done for my machine. otherwise you can buy an enclosure.

[@tiagotiagot]

@@Hotecce1 The thing with glasses is you gotta make sure everyone that might wander into the room is wearing the right kind

[@lucasljs1545]

@@Hotecce1 no, the lasers will also burn your skin. High power laser would be the same as putting hot iron on your skin. It can light your hair on fire too.

[@Hotecce1]

@lucasljs1545 wth are you talking about. I get close to my Lazer and I don't get burned. if you put your finger in there, it would cut it off. but that would be difficult as the laser tip is 3mm to 6mm from the work piece. hardly enough space to get your fingers in there.

[@Hotecce1]

@tiagotiagot that's irrelevant. you don't need glasses unless your inspecting the workpiece. others in the room are protected by the window of the enclosure.

[@c4n1sl4v]

This new filming set is 🔥 great job guys!

[@slicknick1204]

Jay, how tight is the calibration on those tools? It seemed pretty jumpy at low power draw. It would be nice to know at what ranges it is most accurate and how long the manufacturer guarantees the accuracy for. Cool video, I had always wondered why these type of in line metering devices weren't used more in benchmarking.

[@TurboLoveTrain]

They are--by the manufacturers. They look at the physical SMPS-rectified wave because the bus and ram stack power create non linear harmonics and the default timings account for frequency drift in those harmonics. Looking at the Voltage and Amps through a power input/output node honestly isn't as helpful with overclocking as you might think because almost all the timings are relative to bus harmonics and not total power from the input power node.

[@Diacrusher]

I find it fascinating that you know Roman (der8auer) but you don't know elmor who's gadgets Roman uses regularly and they even coengineered some products if I'm not mistaking (or atleast worked together at ASUS for some overclocking) :)

[@crazylocha2515]

And also Vince, and how much stuff he and his buddy use Elmore equipment.

[@maxmustermann194]

Not surprising because Roman has a a strong media presence unlike Elmor. He is an influencer with big English and German YT Channels among other things.

[@Ghandi242]

Elmore works with Shamino & SkatterBencher at ASUS. SkatterBencher has alot of good things on his youtube but Elmore does his things with Elmore Labs so thats probably why

[@wjkgreen]

11:23 As long as they're providing the correct voltage, there's no limit to the amount of power cables which can be added. Devices are only going to pull the amount of current they need.

[@TurboLoveTrain]

Cables introduce RF interference. There is very much a limit related to overall length and cable density--normally not an issue in home applications but what J is doing isn't "normal."

[@ixtab3488]

i recommend getting a creality falcon 2 laser cutter/engraver they come in 5w/10w/22w/40w/60w lasers so you got lots of options, though they get expensive fairly quick. bought mine about 6 months ago. i went with the 22w. they are doing a black friday sale right now too so there's some real good deals (i wish i had waited). ill leave a link in the reply to this comment.

[@I1S1337]

"a lot of length, which is kinda nice... to have" LOL

[@xXDarthBagginsXx]

For Co2 Laser etchers/cutters, we primarily run Epilogue's units - Fusion Pro and it's variants are what we run.

[@scottheighton5971]

This might be my favorite Jay video in a hot minute! Not that I don't like all of Jay's videos, but this one was GREAT!

[@germang.4514]

I don't know how the postal system works, but here in Spain I buy on Aliexpress and it usually takes between 5 to 7 (on rare occasions it may take up to 10) days from the date of purchase until I have the product in my hands. Thank you, now I know what I'm going to give myself for Christmas.

[@ftjet]

5:22 You guys are slacking. "That's what she said!" 🤣

[@John_F_Hennessy.]

Nice. Cant wait for future deep dives!

[@danielhulan3058]

You could go cheap on the laser cutter and get the creality falcon. I think it can cut pretty thick acrylic if you get the most powerful model. Its easy to set up and it is a pretty good laser cutter.

[@Digital_Apparition]

I just here to tell you that face on your thumbnail will be in my nightmares

[@umeng2002]

Not calling Taiwan China: - 100 Social Credit Points

[@allentoyokawa9068]

Not China for now

[@TheKazragore]

Duh, that's because the mainland is just West Taiwan. Though I would also accept South Mongolia.

[@cobykapp3453]

​@TheKazragore you mean west korea?

[@Need4FPS]

​@@allentoyokawa9068 will never be China cause Taiwan has some quality/durability compared to China.

[@Yuriel1981]

​@@TheKazragore correction, The Great West Taiwan.....

[@TheGingerOneNI]

I have an xTool P2S on the way to cut wood and acrylic. Looks decent for a hobbyist.

[@PascalVos]

hey Jay, for your 2 mounting rods .. you can use a tap and die set and make your own threads pretty easly just have to find a rod... also pretty handy just to have that tap and die set

[@rickwiggins283]

At the 11 minute "power on" mark funny bit of trivia. In 1883 in Savannah Georgia when they were going to power up the first house converted to use electric lights all the residents gathered out front in the square to watch a big kaboom. (Fortunately they were disappointed).

[@jeffclontz3772]

"A lot of length, which is nice to have" and no jokes!? Missed opportunity!

[@Mcmanus9442]

Elmor works for ASUS R&D Department, and elmor is the one who designed the Wireview along with Roman. Just wanted to add that :)

[@BenjaminStokes-benno190]

Hey this is where some of my life experience could actually come in handy! Someone here mentioned going with a Trotec Speedy 400 120w co2 and fibre.... as i mentioned to them you may be able to get away with the smaller Speedy 360.. we also can supply extraction at the same time with the Atmos pure 300 or 600.... i cant recommend the Trotec Speedy series enough..... i cut acrylics on a Trotec Speedy 500 120w co2 all day long for customer orders as i work for Trotec Australia 👍

[@WilliamOld-i5o]

trotec lasers speedee 400 with 120 co2 and fiber best laser for the money and would really love to see you work on it you'll love it!! the co2 is great for acrylic of all kinds. Engraving and cutting. if you want metal fiber will deep engrave but it more for metal scrolling. co2 will engrave wood powder coated and painted metal. the co2 will also cleanly engrave your logos on acrylic. Making distro plates in Adobe ai and cutting them with this is a sinch.

[@BenjaminStokes-benno190]

Considering the size needs he could probably get away with a speedy 360

[@outlet6989]

Hi Jay. I'm glad I bought a test bench. I'll see the readouts without cutting my tower case apart. I know the end of PC cases is just around the corner.

[@Reevesi]

All this stuff is looking good. Looking forward to hearing Steve's advice during his visit.

[@DinoAlibasic]

Elmor sounds so much like a muppet tho.... Now you cant unsee it. But serious talking, that is so cool to see in real, and it means REAL time the power usage

[@heathconder]

a c02 laser is best for cutting acrylic

[@punjabeeplaya]

Great stuff. Always good when more people get these tools because you can give new perspectives.

[@TonicofSonic]

Jay on the thumbnail looking like he chills at the Mos Eisley cantina.😂

[@kamperzoid]

Trotec speedy are very good lasers also they have ceramic tubes there you don't need to replace the glasstube after so many hours of running. If you are going to use is only a few time glass tube can be a good solution as well.

[@forgottenfox3857]

Props to you for striving to bring better, more accurate content to the PC space. We need more creators to follow your example in the pursuit of better informing consumers It's one thing to look at what you are doing and to strive to improve. But it takes a special kind of person to reach out and ask peers in the space for support, and for that, I applaud you.

[@IWantMyPizza-NL]

This sounds like a lot of fun! Can't wait for the upcoming vids on this topic - and the colab video with Steve !!! Nice! ... wonder how much those will cost with the upcoming tariff's ....

[@bamidrol]

Yo Jay you are looking great man! I can really tell you have put effort into your health. Keep up the great work and do what makes you happy. Cheers bud!

[@kryptik3nigm4]

i order most of the testing devices that i use in my shop for repair off elmore labs, place is a treasure trove of awesome gadgets. they also have a lot of cool tools for xoc, they have some pretty sweet ln2 pots, cpu heater backplates and this really cool overclocking panel that i also use for personal xoc.

[@johnchristopherrobert1839]

The co2 cutter will give you a cleaner cut. The co2 creates an o2 free atmosphere that reduces oxidation in the cur surface, hence the cleaner cut on your work piece.

[@darkhellsatan666]

Good to see you improving your bench equipment, btw, beautiful wallpaper of Guatape (COL) :3

[@theSl33p3r62]

You'll need the 3 PCI-E cables for AMD GPUs?

[@philhackler3395]

It's not the cheapest thing, but the Carvara is a nice CNC/laser unit. I prefer it over my laser cutter because it doesn't put off gasses. Just got one at work and it was easy to learn and works well.

[@tundrid]

Awsome stuff Jay....hey that cable management behind you needs an owerhaul. =)

[@sawcey782]

Been building a home server. This is something I am really getting interested in now. Thank you!

[@brandonmcabee8514]

I’ve been in the happy with my xtool CO2 laser. Works great on acrylic and Wood.

[@toddbrewer683]

That was pretty frickin' cool. Thanks Guys.

[@teknologyguy5638]

Thanks for showing how these work, interesting....

[@EarthSouthside]

That’s great for diag dead boards unless it needs software. If that’s raw watts without software very useful.

[@RheyneMusic]

You and Steve in the same vid is like when Pacino and De Niro starred in Heat.

[@Web-Dev-Codi]

Jay, you are looking good brotha. Seeing that your health has improved brings warmth to my heart. 👊💪❤️🥰🥺

[@cpljimmyneutron]

Does your fluke have a random headphone jack? If it does then it might support CBL/CBR which is a method of data logging that personally I use with a TI-83 Plus, the calculator logs the data, and in some cases the equipment is actually measuring more accurately than it's display can show, so you end up with more accurate numbers through CBL/CBR.

[@kcredell7801]

How does this work with a different pin out of power supplies?

[@saikhurana]

If you want the absolute best go with trotec laser or maybe even epilog. There's also xtool but I'm not sure how good those are anymore

[@kbearutube]

If those are plastic any laser will do. You dont necessarily need co2. I would recommend a diode. Personally I love my xtool s1 40watt. The software is easy to use. Not the most robust software but it is the apple of laser software as opposed to lightburn which is the android. If it is metal you need a fiber laser. I love my gweicke 20 watt. That needs lightburn.

[@mockier]

Diode won't cut clear acrylic

[@brianvifquain1383]

I love the openness of a test bench personally.

[@LautaroQ2812]

This is fantastic guys. Better data collection, new studio, New... Jay? However, I do understand not all people who watch GN watch JTC, and not all who watch JTC watch GN. I personally watch both, so I wonder: will we be getting the same data/results (aka "the same video") in a while? You guys also sometimes publish at the same time as well after embargos lol So I wouldn't want to be watching a 35 minute video twice. Very excited to see what you'll do with all this!

[@JDD_Tech_MODS]

When you pick a laser cutter get a really good water chiller for it. The water chiller can double as a chiller for a PC.

[@seattletetris]

Agree on the chiller, just make sure it’s a chiller with a refrigeration unit and not just a radiator. The *3500 “chiller” is usually just a radiator but the *5100 is a chiller

[@dntkatz]

For myself I only care about total power, but there are so many ways to do it not really easy to do. Personally I have only used 1 AIO and not really into water cooling so only fans on top of the system.

[@danieljohnson6370]

Clicked for the thumbnail face. Thank you Jay and Crew!

[@neonspeed1995]

I have that EK AIO but in white, I wish the RGB had the more noticeable lines on the pump in the white one like it does on the black one

[@emmabentley7945]

Good to see you moving with the industry ❤

[@ColJonSquall1]

As Steve showed us in his Ultimate Jank Testing Setups for GN, the test bench companies need to step up and make ones that accommodate all the accessories needed to test properly, lol

[@Harry-wk9hx]

Yeah I've used that when im working as RMA staff

[@geno4526]

Interesting. But what about the software? What graphs will it show, what do they look like and can you like determine which is the power bottleneck in the system with this and test different hardware better for comparison? Would be nice to know power stability on different PSUs, CPUs, GPUs, motherboards etc. But that about sums the tool up. A nice to know gadget, but interesting for solving the electric bits and bobs. :)

[@Tsukaani]

This is likely the first and only time I have or will comment on a video's sponsorship ad read, but that was actually very interesting. A subscription on an actual pc that you can cancel any time that you can swap for an entirely new pc after two years sounds great for new gamers with no pc knowledge. I would never buy or even "rent" a pre-built, but this is certainly an interesting idea for console enjoyers to try their hand at pc gaming and realize how superior it is.

[@scuba7695]

I have the Omtech Polar 350 50W desktop, it's great because I needed a desktop one but if you don't mind a floor standing one you can get a maker one for about the same price. P.S. Looks like they are also running their Black Friday deals already.

[@SuperAaronbennett]

Thanks for working to enhance the data you provide your audience!

[@Gimmesoup88]

This is very exciting, I love cool tech!

[@AugmentedPixel]

I love my fluke. I connected to the app press record, and it’ll give me a whole graph of my readings.

[@RealitySetsIn]

The stuff is cool but how often are you really doing overclocking?

[@clayyey]

I'm going to order some of these! This is so cool!

[@bobg3034]

They make some very cool stuff!

[@paulogodinho3275]

Is it safe to run these 24/7? Having it in a display on your case would be awesome.

[@BlueberryJamPie]

Chinese orders come so fast. In Brazil it takes on average 2 days to get from China to Brazil. The problem is to get to your house. Can vary from 6 days up to ~13 months. Even if you live in the port city it can just be "stuck" in customs. Crazy how fast shipping has become.

[@deansmith4752]

I ship from China to UK, Normally arrives in 2-3 days.

[@Vtarngpb]

3:31 “Ya know…” 😂😂

[@therick0996]

5:21 ladies...

[@Ni-qc6yq]

I said the same thing when I got my torture dungeon completed.

[@kcrh21]

Let the battle of the power supplies begin!!!!!!!!

[@PMad99]

You should have a laptop you hook the USB cable up to so that its a different system monitoring the data. This will keep scores high on the PC being monitored.

[@DrJ3RK8]

I may have missed this, (at work, so not paying 100% attention). Does this also do current draw? I would assume so since it's pass-through, but I didn't catch it.

[@mockier]

Make sure the laser cutter can cut clear acrylic. Lots of the cheap options can't do this. The Laser cutter will need to be ventilated properly, many materials will produce toxic gases/fumes. Also consider the potential for a fire when deciding what to get and where to locate it. It's worth going for a proper C02 laser cutter with a metal enclosure, ventilation and good software support. They are not cheap, which is why I don't own one yet. You get what you pay for. Cheap diode laser cutters are imho a waste of money and unsafe.

[@mockier]

Can a Diode Laser Cut Acrylic? A diode laser can also cut acrylic; however, it is crucial to understand the limitations related to acrylic colors. Generally, diode laser cutters can cut some dark opaque acrylic. Specifically, with a blue-light diode laser, engraving or cutting blue acrylic is not possible, as the material will not absorb the laser beam due to the matching color. Additionally, diode lasers are incapable of engraving or cutting clear acrylic.

[@desmofan1864]

Jay x Steve is the ship we deserve!