I regret to inform that Destiny Rising is good (Alpha Impressions)

[@SkillUp]

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[@jasonhernandez730]

Forgot that NetEase made Diablo immortal so they probably learned or they’re about to be greedy

[@jozsefkimberly3920]

Bro I give you one argument for gacha. Bc this kind of monitazation is so successful financially they want to make a really high end product like you have seen so it is in there best interest to make the cash cow as good as possible so that they can milk the fanbase.

[@gospodindpakoh4200]

No.. nooooo... nooooooooooooo!!! And Anthem and now Bioware is still sooo dead. I wish everyone who playes Destiny to suffer just like i did when Anthem was closed. Good luck.

[@marekskyrim]

TBH, I don't know if this review has any real value, given how much Skillup is a Destiny fanboy. Sure, all reviews are subjective, but at this point, it's kinda a conflict of interest. ^^

[@XbaconfordayzX]

Destiny rising review before a final shape review... we are truly cooked.

[@ilredelnulla9837]

i mean, tfs is a fantastic dlc that sadly have the core game problems: casual simulator

[@Meowblivion]

IHE hasn’t even finished his final shape review yet, we are truly TRULY cooked

[@XbaconfordayzX]

@Meowblivion i get him cause always take forever but skill ups is never this late

[@Flecco]

He said a while back during one of the weekly news videos he had stopped trying to do the review due to layoffs etc

[@jordannoell4222]

He stated a while back that he scrapped the review and would not be making one. Just too much shit happening with Bungie, too late on production for any critique to feel timely, and general dissaffeftion with the series despite it being a good expansion.

[@phoggypsych]

As someone who has no interest in Destiny, time to watch an entire review for this mobile game.

[@SariusxX]

As someone who has no interest in Destiny _or_ mobile games, same.

[@SYLRMHA]

@@SariusxX same here...I just love watching 30 minute ads

[@SariusxX]

@@SYLRMHA This seems to be a pretty fair and balanced review with a large part of it focused on his disagreement with the gacha mechanics and business model, so I'm not sure what you want to insinuate by referring to it as an ad. What I was saying is that I enjoy the way he disects video games so much that I'm willing to watch a review of something counter to my usual interests.

[@Fudoggy16]

​@@SariusxX it's a game in alpha that has no public advertisement except for skill up doing this. Yes this is an ad.

[@Lenariet]

I'm not into mobile games, but it hardly looks like the classic ones. Only the UI gives it away a bit. Otherwise it looks way better. Won't it drain your battery like crazy? It looks like a game they could very well release on PC and consoles too. This is something I would prefer to NOT play on mobile but stationary instead.

[@lars2675]

Funny to think that the best onboarding for Destiny might be a mobile gacha game that Bungie isn't even developing

[@maxstavens217]

Play chess not checkers 😂

[@atomic_wait]

Seems like this thing is essentially the financially exploitative, lo-fi version of the game Destiny 2 should have been at launch. Makes a person sad to think what D2 could have been by now if Bungie hadn't spent so much time making expensive mistakes and constantly restarting all their plans.

[@AdityaSingh-lp5rp]

i genuinely hope bungie goes bankrupt and are fired top to bottom. they've lost it

[@WHlSKYtx]

Honestly a bot take

[@oldskool4572]

@@AdityaSingh-lp5rpThey have effectively gone bankrupt. Sony are footing the bill after giving them over 3 billion to begin with when they acquired them. Bungie management are dreadful. And Sony are morons for not doing their due diligence before buying them.

[@PeterADean]

Not even a Ghost can resurrect my desire to return to Destiny.

[@JCybernix]

for real

[@templarkid.]

The thing that bothers me is knowing that the game is not mine. that they can nerf good weapons, remove content and weapons. I wish there was an offline destiny.

[@navdeepsingh3508]

Rocket powered sidearms are fun. i just came back 😂

[@OfficialNice]

@@navdeepsingh3508that couldn’t even bring me back, I got so many hours in destiny and bungie has genuinely ruined for me

[@navdeepsingh3508]

@@OfficialNice I get you mate. But at the same time there is nothing else that scratches this itch. If you know something, I would love to jump ship. I don't like warframe combat btw.

[@regex2660]

That's the thing with gacha games post Genshin. They lure you in with actual good, sometimes even great gameplay, and then slap you with the dogshit monetization.

[@dudebruh8534]

Yeah people are seeming to forget that NetEase, the same people who were in charge of Diablo Immoral, are making Destiny Rising. You just know that there's gonna be "gem slots" on all the armor and weapons and pay to win content in this trash. And the best thing about this?... It's gonna work. Destiny players have absolutely no standards and they'll buy into this like dogs eating dog food.

[@icarusrising2787]

​@dudebruh8534 netease is also making marvel rivals tho. People forget that Diablo immortal was the way it was bc it had Activision Blizzard behind it.

[@arramiscastellon6168]

@@dudebruh8534well it depends. Most gacha players look to genshin and just mihoyo’s monetization approach in general bc it’s actually very fair. And if it’s not like that people are more averse towards the monetization bc it won’t respect their time to earn stuff in game. From what I’ve heard and played, genshin impact respects the players time more than the first descendant. With mihoyo games they give you so much currency to roll for characters for just playing their game. And I suspect D rising will go the same route bc it will keep more players in the long run

[@uneazypolarb7691]

That sounds like Destiny itself

[@icarusrising2787]

@dudebruh8534 lol not sure how or why my comment got removed, but again, netease is also the company behind marvel rivals. People tend to forget that Diablo immortal is the way it is because it has acti blizz behind it.

[@fallensniper777]

I never thought I'd see the day when a gacha spinoff is getting more positive impressions than a mainline Bungie game.

[@AesirUnlimited]

It’s both tragic and hilarious at the same time.

[@thanhhungvo2649]

being worse than a gacha game has to be a new low even for bungie

[@skeletor8951]

People have had 10 years to burn out on and get frustrated with Destiny. So that's hardly saying anything.

[@kaingates]

​@@skeletor8951 I'd argue Bungies relentless anti-consumer practices has done a well enough job in that regard. I.e. Paywalling a bunch of shit that they eventually sunset is a surefire way to push suduences away.

[@omerpockard7212]

​@@skeletor8951I would have absolutely tried playing Destiny 2 when the base experience went F2P if they hadn't killed the campaign.

[@JPOG7TV]

You know destiny 2 is in such a bad state when skillup makes a review for the gatcha game instead of the Final Shape.

[@Tim_Duran]

Omg... This is NOT a review... ❤️

[@thanhhungvo2649]

@@Tim_Duranwhich makes it even worse because a watered down gacha version of destiny is more interesting to talk about d2💀

[@XTheGamer101X]

I mean final shape was a great expansion tbf

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

​@@XTheGamer101Xeven a clock is right twice per day.

[@thanhhungvo2649]

@@XTheGamer101X when you compare it to d2's mediocre expansion track record sure. its alright but kinda mediocre for a finale and unless you're super invested in the franchise to the point that you just HAVE to see the ending its like a 7/10 lets be real. and its too little too late, everyone left after TFS, it failed to retain players whatsoever, we went even lower than season of plunder

[@Sakaki98]

When mobile game devs are diffing you with your own product, it’s time to kick things up a notch.

[@MWC1997]

20hr campaign? That's longer than any campaign actual Destiny got wtf

[@Kittysune12]

actually The final shape is like 24hrs plus cuz you know the server got messed up at first few days

[@Chaotic_H3LL]

@@Kittysune12 Bro even with server issues i had that shit done within 6 hours of launch

[@noah9942.]

@@Kittysune12 24hrs? Bull fuckin shit.

[@idkwhattonamethisyoutubeac4737]

@@Kittysune12 the campaign is 5-6 hours, which is what the commenter was referring to.

[@jawshoeadan]

This game will piss me off. I liked it, and it pisses me off that it’s more polished in alpha than Destiny will ever be

[@HuhWaitWhatNow]

I really feel this.

[@icarusrising2787]

This

[@jawshoeadan]

I almost want to play this game more out of spite. I hope its success motivates bungie to get their shit together

[@vasRayya]

it's bungie holding back destiny it's the destiny playerbase saying they just want more d2 instead of anything new and bungie is happy to oblige

[@madsines5301]

lol so disingenuous, it’s not even close to the level of polish of D2.

[@GeremyG]

Destiny and mobile? The monetization is about to go crazy.

[@TheTroll3k]

Not like regular Destiny is monetization free haven.

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

Regular Destiny is pay to play a game with free to play monetization. It’s actually crazy what they’re doing

[@jonahbrown5669]

​@@kingcurmudgeon8685 "erhm, just get a job 🤓"

[@seriphan399]

Gachas don’t generally require you to buy expansions and constantly pay for season passes to get any new worthwhile content.

[@idkwhattonamethisyoutubeac4737]

@@seriphan399 Honestly yeah you're right. At least the content is free.

[@Yofu]

Almost like Bungie should have started working on Destiny 3 like 5 years ago so we could actually get some of these "new" things.

[@vasRayya]

anti d3 posters awfully silent since the alpha for this came out and showed you can infact still innovate in destiny never gonna happen though because most d2 people don't wanna give up their godrolls they never use, they'd rather just continue to eat up the seasonal slop every 3-4 months

[@jeffcarrier9808]

I was always pro D3. Should have happened many years ago.

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

No, if anything... Bungie should've had ANOTHER studio head Destiny 3 while acting as their support studio to make sure the game still plays like Destiny and make the raids/dungeons. I don't believe Bungie being the main studio will result in a better "Destiny 3" given how Destiny 2 is now.

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

@@vasRayya I'm confused how people believe Destiny 3 is somehow going to not have the same "seasonal slop" cycle. This is still the same Bungie making the game, it won't be that different from what you're experiencing now unless it's a different studio making the game.

[@gavo7911]

@@thatonepenguinperson618 I’m fine with “the same seasonal slop”, the problem is that I can only play one game for so many years. We NEED a fresh start, without any of the baggage and tech debt that caused so many problems in D2.

[@muzamilnabinadroo]

Honestly i broke my Destiny addiction after 3700+ hours last year although I did return for The Final Shape for 2 weeks but nothing literally nothing can bring me back. Good luck to the community this game is for.

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

Yeah that’s pretty common. The game now is just about making all the content take longer and more repetitive

[@nailinthefashion]

Log in with me daddy

[@radiumtheatre]

New Dungeon is kinda fantastic. Once the 3 episodes have finished, it's worth jumping back in and playing them like a single player

[@manbat4582]

​@@radiumtheatre careful, he might relapse

[@radiumtheatre]

@manbat4582 episode 3 is back to the dreadnaught. The member berries will get him

[@pulsevzero]

The last thing I ever expected was for a Chinese mobile game with one of the greediest publishers to one up the main game in features and mmo elements 😅

[@acudaican]

Surprisingly, Destiny 2 actually has some pretty passionate fans in China. I guess some of them must have been in the dev studio lol.

[@RyanTsou-t4v]

Then you’ve been probably living under a rock because Chinese mobile games have been industry leading since forever

[@pulsevzero]

⁠@@RyanTsou-t4v I know how huge gacha games are. I’m talking about gameplay elements which tend to be a mixed bag with these types of games. It’s impressive how much thought was put into this when it could’ve been the easiest cash grab.

[@fezmonkey43]

Most Destiny creators have summarized this as a Destiny game for mobile players, and not a mobile game for Destiny players, and the monetization really emphasizes that

[@flamingburitto]

So you're telling me... Someone other than bungie made a better destiny game? It's never been more over than this bros...

[@Kittysune12]

never overdeliver they said that not me

[@HuhWaitWhatNow]

It's now very clear how much they have underdelivered.

[@ZexMaxwell]

I've been watching destiny 2 waiting to find a moment to jump in. This is tempting me way more than destiny 2. But I might have to still sit this out since it's a gotcha.

[@flamingburitto]

@ZexMaxwell depends on how the gacha is implemented. There are games that are gacha but you can experience 90% of the content of the game without engaging with gacha at all. If they did it that way then it's fine imo.

[@ZexMaxwell]

​@@flamingburitto you're not wrong. but from what I see here, it feels like another genshin. I'll still keep my eye on it.

[@ranjnijan3446]

Heres a warning from someone who plays many Gachas currently, Wuthering Waves - Main game. Punishing Gray Raven. Genshin Impact. Honkai Star Rail. Zenless Zone Zero. Honkai Impact 3rd. You need to be very careful with these types of games if you gonna play them for the first time. These types of games requires lots of patience and if you are someone who cannot control yourself DON’T PLAY THESE GAMES since you’ll find out at the end of a session you are down €$¥£1000 without even realising and once that dopamine fades away you are left with regret and useless digital items, literally. If you thought Destiny has a bad monetisation, then Gachas are 50x worse.

[@mariusj6004]

I agree with you, I play HSR, Wuwa and ZZZ and at most I spend money on battlepass and monthly currency rewards. Playing these types of games you have to understand that getting everything that you want is impossible by just playing the game. You have to carefully pick and choose who and what you'll pull.

[@jjr553]

I think most reviews look way to naiv on games like this. Thanks for the Warning.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

@@jjr553 of course they do They don’t want to acknowledge that part because then they don’t get early review codes in the future

[@gundamOPS]

I'm a f2p HSR player and most from this list are pretty f2p friendly. You're right about having self control, the game is quite generous at giving you the resource you need for pulling characters -- it's all about resource management. I haven't played a single cent and still won most of the limited time banners that I pulled for.

[@goddamnarshia]

Destiny's current monetisation is unironically worse than most modern gachas, like the ones you mentioned. As far as I'm aware, in the games you mentioned, the progression is not lockee behind any payment, and 99% of the game is available to ANYONE. I would advise staying away from live service games just in general for anyone who finds it hard to quit a game because of fomo and sunk cost, no matter the monetisation.

[@eterickstonely8548]

Petition to refer to this game in shorthand as “D Rising.”

[@XDD50Hz]

7:56 the chinese name in the back is so romantic and on point. 揽月 literally means embrace the moon, i can definitely see this as one of the luna base by 曙光 which has some pretty prominent presence in d1 and d2 moon patrol zone

[@SteveEricJordan]

it could be the best game ever, as long as i'd have to play on a PHONE i'm out.

[@darklurker898]

Crazy thing is, you can play on your computer. 🤯

[@SteveEricJordan]

@@darklurker898 yeah great, on a phone emulator. don't even try to tell me a phone game on a phone emulator is even in the same ballpark as an experience as a native pc game.

[@yoman6142]

my hate for mobile games when emulators on pc:

[@SteveEricJordan]

@@darklurker898 as if that's comparable to a native pc game.

[@phoquedisshit1710]

So incredible that’s also on PC so you can at the same time show that you’re weirdly stuck in the past and ignorant as double whammy. Congrats

[@mirasolovklose3888]

Aztecross catching strays

[@analogicparadox]

0:14 Is that AI voice acting, or just two terrible voice actors?

[@thanhhungvo2649]

its AI but from what ive read the devs claim that its placeholder and the official release will have real VAs instead

[@jawshoeadan]

Yes

[@derekczerkaski5540]

In this video: 22:54 "Maybe Netease wanna deliver a gacha experience that is actually pretty fair and doesn't want to exploit people". Also: 23:26 "Also, there are 3, count them, 3 premium subscriptions that this game offers." Lol

[@phoquedisshit1710]

Not the gotcha you think this is but nice try!

[@noah_pedersen]

Lets be real Destiny 2 is basically already a gotcha game. The experience is always one more purchase away from being fun.

[@call_me_maple]

Nintendo recently made that one mobile animal crossing game into a one time purchase game without mtx, so we can only hope that end of life for all the good mobile games follow suit.

[@deetsitmeisterjd]

Yeah, Netease are never doing that.

[@creamboyfuengshwei]

THE FALLEN WEAPONS ARE SO GOOD!!!! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[@thisDeadBishop]

Trying destiny rising just reminded me that I don’t like playing games with camera controls on mobile devices. I know you can use emulation for the android version, which I’ll probably do eventually, but for now, I’m just gonna wait to see how it pans out through its development.

[@fablesenpai8609]

i fundamentaly refuse to play any gatcha games, i dont support child gambling casinos

[@mimmim13aiv]

Freely chose to give money to gamble over characters you want to play in a game where updates come out every 3/4 months for free VS buy every expansions each year, be flooded with debatable lore ruining skins and monetization that should only be present in F2P game. Fundamentally, gacha games are hard for players that can't restrain themselves or young peoples. Other that that, I find Wuthering Waves monetization way more healthy than Destiny 2. Once you understand you don't need to put 60 buck every banner and you actually don't need every character. But rather build a team which is largely accessible from the get go and with free characters. Everything else is just "be able to resist the immediate urge of putting money to gain virtual characters which you actually don't need". Children shouldn't be allowed here, that I agree. But again, as a child you don't have money so...

[@phoquedisshit1710]

1 - Hilarious given the franchise we’re talking about. 2 - Nobody’s forcing anyone to pay anything. 3 - If you even bothered playing it more than bitching about it you’d see how much you can play for free and then decide to bail whenever paywalls kick in and still get really robust and fun playtime.

[@honichi1]

before having watched your segment on the gacha stuff i wonder if it will be cheaper than 10 years of destiny 2 with the full 100$ package each year compared to 10 years of destiny rising

[@wanton7306]

It's really interesting to see what can you get from same amount of money invested into Destiny Rising. I'm been really burn out by Destiny 2. Destiny 3 not wasn't being developed and now Bungie made seasonal (episodic) weapons noncraftable really made me not want to play because I might never get a god roll. I hope this game gets a PC or game console release and scratches my Destiny itch and be much better experience where company actually puts money they earn back into the game.

[@acudaican]

I guess it depends on the person. For the gacha games I play regularly, there's usually some kind of subscription option that's like 5 USD a month, and thist represents the best money-to-gacha-currency ratio. It's usually enough to get what you want from the gacha if you attempt to pull one out of every three new characters, but failing that you either have to give up until they next appear, or you have to buy that gacha currency for something like 6 ~ 12 times the price of the subscription to keep rolling.

[@wanton7306]

@@acudaican I don't really care if I get the best stuff. So this might be ok game for me money wise.

[@Pandoso01]

@@acudaican 1 out of 3 character releases ? what game is that im curious, when i played genshin i was pulling 1 out of 2 character releases without the $5 currency subscription, just the occasional battle pass when i ran out of materials. felt relativelly the same when i played the other mihoyo games, but i havent tried many more gacha games since

[@jawshoeadan]

@@wanton7306yeah it’s crazy how little of an impact monetization has on the single player experience in DR. IMO getting to play all the content with only limited access to characters for free is better than the d2 experience

[@drprofessorowl8929]

Whose horrible idea was to make it a mobile game! It’s just disgusting they would turn this franchise into a gotcha game

[@inquisitorichijou883]

The main question arising from this is: will this light a fire under Bungie to improve Destiny proper to make the comaprison to Destiny Rise more "favorable".

[@triplehelix3207]

Lol no

[@aurens.]

even if it does, it takes bungie so long to do anything that the results won't be seen until 2 years from now, at which point it'll be too late

[@weirdopepsidude]

The true final shape of Destiny was a game not being bungled by Bungie.

[@player2drago26]

This happened with Apex Mobile, it had so many features players of the main game had been begging for for years Really interesting to see how these mobile games can positively effect a franchise if they choose to take the good for their sequels Destiny 3 would be great if it took these kind of steps for their game

[@petrlazar5240]

This game really highlights how creatively bankrupt current liiiive service model of D2 really is. Just reskinned activities on top of other recycled content.

[@insomniaddictesp]

I have said since I saw Vicarious do such a great job way back when to innovate that almost any other company running this IP would likely just do a better job with it than Bungie could. It’s unfortunate that that’s a thing that sits in leadership more than anything else. But the game we have very much represents that. Here is another company that knows they can fund and build the game in a new way, they are playing from a position of confidence, not scarcity, fear and desperation for revenue.

[@Juan-GC]

Of course when you copy paste a really good formula and actually add the things people have been asking for, you’ll have a banger on your hands. It’s almost like Bungie wouldn’t be in this situation if they did the same thing!

[@noah9942.]

If destiny proper had this kind of onboarding, and didn't vault content and cost $100s to play, I'd jump in in a heartbeat.

[@datboit]

i will say, after playing the alpha myself on and off for about 3 1/2 weeks, it's Damn good. Like WAAAAYYYYYY better than i ever expected or anticipated and it bothers me just a little bit because, if everything i ever wanted in Destiny can be shoved into a mobile game by NetEase - Then what exactly in the F**k have bungie been doing with 10 years worth of community time and money?? BUT needless to say, if bungie goes under, then at least we have NetEase to somewhat keep the legacy going, which is honestly fine by me.

[@robustdelirium9277]

Ah yes. “Energy” systems that limit play time unless you pay around them, and characters that have low chance to unlock and require multiple unlocks to actually maximize. The ole “Pay us $1,000 or play the game for free for three hundred literal years or get stupid lucky to get what you want” game design. Hard pass.

[@phoquedisshit1710]

Cool. Not every game is made for you 🤘🏼 but thanks for the entire paragraph clearly showing you haven’t played it at all 😂 more hot takes than playtime

[@zoltannyikos7039]

paid stamina refills are pretty much a vestigial system in gacha games I have played way too many of them and I have never felt like I had to buy any. The content patches usually spread out enough that if you play regularly you are not running out of the farmable items and there is usually a few more time gates in the way to leveling up characters anyway the monetization is centered around the character pulls, everything else exists as a timesink, to keep you around for the next patch, the next banner and for that it's actually quite counterproductive if you can just buy your way out of it

[@WorldzMo5t3pic]

As a non-Destiny player looking in I'd _still_ prefer having the full D2 experience back. "Vaulting" still remains this franchises biggest downfall since, well, D1's ending.

[@rafaela00002]

Same

[@lucasLSD]

If you are a non-destiny player how can you have an opinion on D1's ending? lol

[@Piquliar]

Needing multiple copies of characters that are already hard to get to fully experience what the character has to offer is, by far, what I detest most about gachas. Those that basically give you the full experience by just getting the character right out of the gate are few and far between since it's just a lot more money they're leaving on the table with the tantalizing temptation of notably more power for that character you like so much.

[@MyndZero]

Takeaway from this video should ultimately be this: Let anyone other than Bungie work on Destiny. You will get more content.

[@CrustedPork]

You aren't getting a better game or more content here. It's A GACHA. You'll be paying for all of it. Right now it's in alpha, the monetization isn't fully set yet lots of changes will come. So sure you might get "more content" but your also going to pay A LOT more money in order to even reach or beat that content. Gacha games love to power gate you or make you grind for 5+ years to do the most minimally rewarding events. So you'll either spend $1k+ or wait 5 years to do a raid that is already old as shit by then.

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

on god. Sony should see this as a wakeup call. Let a hungry PC studio make Destiny 3.

[@J-Dizzle95]

Omg this is so accurate!!!

[@oxsila]

Honestly, i'm just waiting until Marathon comes out before we start acting like Bungie are no longer capable of delivering. We have no idea if they've just put 75% of their eggs in the Marathon basket. Until then it's just needless pessimism

[@strtfghtr88]

I do think that its pretty cool that you can play as Ikora

[@Aziraphale686]

This is what netease does. Diablo immortal is a fine game, but the monetization is abhorrent.

[@phoquedisshit1710]

Correction: Diablo Immortal is a fine game. The monetization isn’t for you. Every conversation doesn’t have to be the spiciest hyperboles... 🙄

[@Baybates]

Wishing you all the best Alanah. Making that choice is hard, but I understand. I recently had some life changing things happen that have made me refocus on what is important. Looking forward to all the new content 😊

[@SerPodrick]

Didnt expect Bungie to fuel the bird-drone conspiracy

[@lalo-kt4te]

Here before they shut the game down 8 months from now like apex mobile

[@darkknight5942]

Nahh I doubt it. Apex was a straight up port, and no changes were made to make the core gameplay loop mobile friendly. This is built from the ground up to work on mobile.

[@jordannoell4222]

​@@darkknight5942That is factually incorrect. Apex was built from the ground up as a different game with several characters abilities being retooled for mobile and had its own separate balancing. They didn't change the fundamental fact that it was a BR game and that was about it.

[@kami3449]

​@darkknight5942 Did you even play it? The only thing that was the same was the BR, everything else about the game was more fleshed out than Apex is right now. The only reason it failed was because it didn't do well in the largest mobile market in the world, which is Asia. It doesn't matter how good your mobile game is, if you can't grab that market its going to fail.

[@flufkyn]

Destiny fans will play the game no matter how shit it is so probably not

[@lucasLSD]

@@kami3449 Which part of asia? There's no way it flopped in japan when they love Apex and gacha over there.

[@cliftonwindham4194]

I’m only this early because Ralph’s voice will lullaby me back to sleep

[@panic5343]

I unironically use his Dragon's Dogma 2 video as a sleeping aid

[@kangaroosamurai3058]

I listen to his assasins creed reviews to fall asleep every night​@@panic5343

[@soyasaucer]

I always watch his videos twice. first time to fall asleep, second to watch it.

[@thedoomslayer5863]

This comment is sad

[@Acemont]

Can we trust a Destiny Stan though, Ralph?

[@kal_delet]

I mean stans usually hate the mobile spinoff

[@dogg92]

No, absolutely not.

[@itsty-ler]

I'd say yes, most hardcore destiny fans hate this so far from what I've seen lol

[@mish5200]

He is not a stan, he is a destiny grifter who just milks this game for negative coverage. The fact that this gacha gets a review and final shape doesn't tells you enough of this channel.

[@AesirUnlimited]

@@mish5200Because Final Shape wasn’t good. It’s very simple my friend.

[@MassiveGhost-]

I know how every single gacha game works Power creep, Power creep, and guess what more power creep

[@mildlydazed9608]

You just described the history of Destiny as well lol a match made in hell for sure.

[@adamgeigerjr6995]

i have never played Destiny 1 or 2 yet I keep getting suckered into watching yet another Ralph review of this damn game ....

[@nicaman86]

I'm so happy that I broke out of this addictive mental illness called destiny.

[@jordansherwood7371]

As someone not even into Destiny on PC after giving it a modest try, I will def be giving this a shot on the odin 2, looks pretty great

[@Ejohns1004]

Can't wait till NetEase closes the studio that makes this the day after it hits 1.0. I will never be over what happened to the Visions of Mana studio.

[@DavidMFBowie]

Unrelated tangent. I got introduced to you through the veilguard review and you perfectly captured what I felt about the game. Not overly angry theatre about "going woke" but a well thought out dissection about its disneyfication. It lead me to down a rabbit hole of your catalogue and I came across your FFXV review that did the same thing. A flawed game, that I love deeply. Then I watched your Nier review, nail on the head AGAIN. You are the only reviewer that would make me consider playing Avatar (or a Destiny Gatcha game) because of how much trust I have in your journalism. Thank you

[@khora3845]

Technically, they could make Destiny Rising canon since Destiny does exist in a multiverse

[@Lenariet]

Multiverses are so lazy... Like, make up your mind where you wanna take the story and lore... Multiverses are the way of least resistance...

[@IndianTelephone]

The only reason I even know as much as I know about Destiny is because of you Ralph, I just like watching your videos.

[@sergiu-gabrielcristea6582]

I died when you mentioned there is SRL 💀

[@nugzargurasashvili56]

Destiny 1 Y1-Rise Of Iron vet here... didnt stick around with D2 much since the Red War and Witch Queen till Lightfall after that... THIS IS THE GAME IVE ALWAYS WANTED. Why do we get the best of early D2 and peaks amd ambition of D1 in a mobile game... i really hope we get a PC Client and my friends and I wont be to turned off by the Gacha

[@uncledungeonmaster]

@SkillUp, ma dude, who do I have to sleep with to finally get chapter markers on your channel?

[@LUNCHQUEST]

Two gambit modes aren’t as big of a win as I think you think it is

[@nycto5335]

I will try it, and hopefully, it'll become a new game I play a decent amount of. Ive played gacha games before, and there are games out there that manage to balance the whole system in a way where everything is enjoyable as f2p and saving up to get what you want is doable without frustration. If Rising is like that, then I can see it becoming a pretty successful game outside of markets where scummy gacaha setups are accepted (ie. Japan, Korea, etc.)

[@MiladGolshan]

I’m struggling to understand how can anyone call this a new experience

[@JackyOLantern1321]

Man, keep the videos coming👌

[@TNTspaz]

We unironically got gambit in a mobile game before Bungie ever bothered to support it again. Destiny is so cooked Seeing Warframe also implementing a gambit style gamemode. Bungie really missed out

[@gomezpants]

And is already out on iPhone. Android is coming soon™

[@Jack_Sparrow_85]

Shillup determined to be the only person talking about anything to with destiny untill his dying breath

[@gr0men]

It's mobile game basics. As soon as you mentioned that you haven't finished campaign I was out because that's where they all fall flat. We all know once you've done various activities a couple of times it becomes your daily chore. They get you invested early on and then it becomes work, not fun, for the tiniest of upgrades. Of course unless you swipe hard. Whether you do or don't decide to give them your money, you'll soon realise that what you're doing is so boring, and you haven't even gotten anywhere near the whales on the leader boards to show off with. There are no friends to play with and there is no end goal in sight. You feel like the time spent on the mobile game has left a hole in your life where you wish you'd have done ANYTHING else.

[@ABIADAB]

yeah he's 20 hour in without having finished the campaign and he's having fun. that's the same amount of playtime of most core single player game. if the endgame is shit then just uninstall, you already have fun for 20+ hours.

[@acudaican]

Damn, bro. What game was that?

[@JoeEver123]

⁠@@ABIADABthe thing is its a live service campaign so it doesnt end on a satisfy ending if there is any. You get instead a cliffangher that hype you up for the next update. I play one game of this genre on the regular and I dont recomand anyone doing the same if you dont have a stable life. Those game eat people’s brain who dare to invest to much energy

[@speedforce8970]

Who cares, game offers more than 20 hours of content for free and remember, it's competing against Destiny 2, "pay us 100 dollars" before you can enjoy the game and we might take away the things you bought because we're just such a indie company. I haven't spent a dime on Genshin Impact or Honkai Star Rail but I have experienced every piece of story content, built up all the characters I got and there's not a single character that I want and don't have. Multiple 5 stars just for free. Did I mention that GI is a mobile game but has a seamless map with almost no loading screens, new regions get added every year and tons of puzzles, side activities, a whole ass card game and more? Destiny 2 can't even handle onboarding new players. It's insane how Bungie is getting hard diffed by mobile game companies now

[@lucasLSD]

Why do you care about the leaderboard? A good game won't have any meaningful reward tied to it anyway. Also every live service is a job since to keep existing they can't give you everything early on, this is true since MMOs were the rage, I think you just don't like this genre.

[@TheFrancoBona]

Maybe we don't fully agree what is being used for but the talent of the teams working on mobile games, specially in China, has been growing exponentially in the last years.

[@SuperLogan8054]

The amount of copium that is required for Destiny fans. He is giving props to a mobile game because many of the things in this new mobile game are not found in a triple A studio's game. This is literally proof that the triple A studios hunt for our money is a farce that they are doing a good job. Look at Elden Scrolls, Baldur's Gate 3, Path of Exile 2, and so many more. What blows my mind more that Destiny 2 got nominated for VGA's and quite frankly makes no sense they have had more drop of this year and less sales, what says they deserve rewards when Destiny 2 is literally failing so much that a new MOBILE game is beating it in content ideas and other.

[@brothereldrian9913]

I love everything about Destiny Rising. Especially the fact, that Destiny does not need Bungie. Sony! You know what you gotta do.

[@Zastrutzki]

Ready for another 10 years of fighting the same 5 enemies?

[@analogicparadox]

**paying €200 a year* to fight the same 5 enemies

[@twotonesrebel875]

i bet that mobile destiny will have more factions/enemies in 3 years then bungie did in 11.

[@Zastrutzki]

@@twotonesrebel875 So 6 enemies?

[@lucasLSD]

@@Zastrutzki Genshins gets new enemies with every expansion, so the problem is bungie.

[@DM-fp8uw]

This and the Division 1 phone remake are going to be taking up a lot of my time. Gameplay in this video looks a lot smoother than the Division alpha.

[@PenultimatePenPen]

Found it funny the footage of Wuthering Waves at 12:59 is from cbt beta type stuff, not current WuWa. This obviously doesn't change the point being made, just thought it was a funny editing thing

[@mish5200]

He is doing gacha destiny review instead of Final Shape, hahaha

[@THEdemetrishigashikata]

It's true. I've been playing it this whole month. Ive got all characters except for Maru it's kinda fun. My main gripe is they need to make Mythicals feel Mythical

[@jaxgem1236]

only shillup and the rest of the destiny community could describe "title farming" as content LOL

[@PlusOne2Crit]

Having to have a specific character to use the weapons I want is a deal-breaker for me. Especially if it's not with an element that I like using. (Solar mostly)

[@TheCasualSweat]

This looks insanely good for a mobile game.

[@SwordANDbored84]

Indeed, I am wondering where and how the power of consoles is used for if mobile can achieve these visuals. Something is lost in the process

[@Oryyyt]

I mean we have black desert and cod for years now and those games could beat ps3 games in terms of visuals

[@gavinderulo12]

​@@SwordANDbored84I mean, it looks good for a mobile game but it still looks a lot worse than even destiny 2 on consoles, which is a 7 year old game.

[@Caspeaon]

I don’t like mobile games but I’m glad more eyes will get on Destiny as a franchise, makes it more likely to get an actual proper Bungie developed sequel in the future, this game is surprisingly good on its own though

[@TheLindenbeat]

tbf Destiny 2 already was a borderline mobile game with its monetization, so this actually being a good destiny game wouldn't be THAT far off

[@F-aber]

I mean I get that D2’s monetisation was really shot but it never felt mobile levels of shit to me maybe with the exception of transmog. But I also never really cared for anything in the eververse store, so I could just buy the expansion once a year and be set for all the content for that year

[@oxsila]

Nah. You can buy an expansion per year and be set until the next. Plenty of things you can get with bright dust and just playing the game. Only people who care too much about cosmetics think destiny is a borderline mobile game. You can't just buy an expansion to get past all the bs in mobile games. They're designed to constant have you funnelling money. Destiny is bad, but it's not THAT bad.

[@F-aber]

@ yeah agree, besides the big expansions and other actual content bungie doesn’t really push you as much as most mobile games to buy stuff. The actual content is just that one time purchase, no rng lootboxes

[@oxsila]

@@F-aber Yep. Destiny has bright engrams, but you can't buy them. They're earnable so yeah. Just not even close to a mobile game

[@boysenbeary]

As an active Destiny player, all of my friends have said there are quite a few aspects in Rising that they wish were in Destiny 2

[@CarolTurner-e1o]

Whoa, this was insane! Do more like this!

[@BurnettGaming]

Western Game Developers really really need to learn from Gacha Games and how they onboard players. They are masterful in their ability to dole out the perfect amount of rewards and the perfect amount of information over time to allow players to get into the game at the correct pace. The quality of life features they HAVE to have in order to provide as little friction to engage with the business model would be overwhelmingly well received in other games, but it's never a priority in those other games because they're expensive to develop and core game players will easily forego some quality of life for 5% better core gameplay. I'm a senior game designer at a medium/small studio. The game we just released (to resounding mediocrity) was missing soooo many features that we all wanted to make but never had the time or the resources to make.

[@regular-user]

This goes to show how pathetic the development of Destiny has been. A clan area? Sparrow racing back? UI that actually explains something? 10 years in and Bungie still doesn't know how to do any of it.

[@lratio3802]

Genuinely can’t wait for this to come out

[@galerusgg9243]

From the author of "They perfected Destiny" and "Pete Parsons is cool" Regret to infrom you Ralph, but I'll never trust your judgement on anything related to Bungie or Destiny.

[@WaverlyGarner]

Though I am not a destiny fan, I appreciate these videos for their educational value about the mobile gaming market. Thanks, Ralph!

[@iAmDiBBz]

destiny rising is a mobile game that wont be played on mobile for the vast majority and instead be played on emulators

[@Firechub3229]

This proves that this man will simp over ANYTHING destiny related.

[@Bustaperizm]

Consoles used to be the bottle neck. Now it's going to be phones?

[@Lancr-jq2or]

No.

[@pdpMASTERP]

Is this on PC also? Would be so sad if its not..

[@kevinthecleric]

Dear SkillUp You won't get me to play Destiny again, no matter how good you say it is. Thanks -Me

[@SirThaHerpderpderp]

I suppose the content is because of the lesser graphics, opens up resources for content. Also, because its on mobile and not a main-line game, I feel that it allows the dev to experiment more.

[@professorcryogen6419]

I actually played maybe fifty hours of this and I came away with a few more critiques than you did (characters being limited to specific weapon archetypes sucks) but overall we're very much in line on our thoughts. Even as an avid gacha game player, I wish Rising could've been different. Great video.

[@TheOnlyJohnAbraham]

Regardless of the pricing, the description of the monetization is enough for me to never want to touch this thing.

[@IkemenNiisan]

So this is just what destiny would have been if Bungie got their head out of their asses?

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

basically. Bungie is like Intel. too big and boring to excite anyone at this point.

[@aurens.]

more specifically it's what destiny would have been if bungie had switched to a new engine instead of duct taping half-assed fixes on to their existing engine for 5 years

[@senpafl4405]

Hey Ralph, will you or Austin review Warframe 1999 when it's out?

[@TheRealZackEgg]

Coincidental time to be talking about a Destiny

[@udontknowme00]

oh god