I retested some games on a ARC B580 and 5600X combo, my opinion hasn't changed, I like the B580

[@kr00tmanmining]

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[@gamingwithmash4261]

I think you should compare it using 5600x with the 4060 as well and see the difference, would be better to include the comparison with the rx 7600 as well. As currently with the price point, these two gpu's cost is kinda similar to each other. Then we can compare it with the b580. Thus we can tell the actual difference. Did intel even do any justice to low to mid end cpu's.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@gamingwithmash4261 it's a fair comparison, hardware unboxed did a good one. I unfortunately don't own a 4060 and a 7600xt right now

[@xjax8519]

@@kr00tmanmining Thats HU made and you only "bla bla bla I tested" )))

[@CyberClu]

Umm, they're not giving opinions, they're giving facts, backed up by data. They might give their opinion on whether it's a good idea for budget gamers to purchase this card, but the facts are the facts. Plus they tested their games in 1080p, while you did yours in 1440p. Personally, I think most budget gamers are still at the 1080 resolution. I just hope Intel can fix this issue, as we desperately need the competition to bring prices back to sanity.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@CyberClu i think Intel has done that with the b580, and I do think this is a 1440p GPU. If you are still playing 1080p alot of older gpus handle that resolution just fine

[@ItsThicc]

no, he right the card is fine. all of the tech heads run 4090s and do half fast reviews.

[@EndgameThor16]

We really need to see the benchmarks of the b580 + 5600x in non cpu intensive games to paint the whole picture (intel definitely still needs to fix this regardless, assuming it is a driver issue and not a hardware one)

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@EndgameThor16 check out my review

[@alyasVictorio]

And up next is gonna be the combo of b580 + 9800x3d

[@Realmadridnewstt]

I'm using a 12400F and b 580, and it's running smoothly there video is sponsored by Nvidia and AMD.

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

Paying off every single KZbinr and magazine, large or small, who makes evidence-based PC component analysis to skew the results before they make a video is not only a logistical impossibility, but the vast majority of them would be frothing at the mouth for the opportunity to conduct an expose on such practices. I would be interested in more benchmarking examples to see how midrange Intel CPUs compare to Ryzen’s on Intel graphics cards, but Ryzen CPUs have been repeatedly shown to outperform Intel CPUs in most gaming environments, and the 9800X3D is the best CPU for testing GPUs without bottlenecks.

[@DevilEdits9999]

thanks for the video

[@NerdistRay]

I'm going to be honest here at the cost of sounding mean. I think you are being too defensive. Why are you emphasising what you think is playable/enough so much? Shouldn't the focus be on what the general gamer consider something to be ideal/playable? At the end of the day, it's all about whether or not this GPU is giving out the stable performance it needs to give at the price when compared to other GPUs at its price segment at 1440p. I saw no comparison being made here. And you only played 2 games with the least amount of info possible. Minimum fps? Maximum fps? Average fps? 1% lows? 0.1% lows? GPU and CPU utilization? Please think of having a good info hud as some of those game testers do and make the font bigger. Also you didn't even try different settings for Space Marine to achieve 60 fps average. I wouldn't call this adequate data at all. I understand this video was made in a rush to get your word out there but I am not convinced. Sorry if any of what I said came off as rude or mean.

[@Oozaru85]

I have the B580 Steel Legend and I totally agree with him. Card performs very well in the games I play, paired with a Ryzen 5 5600. And since Im limited to 60fps due to my TV being only 60hz, this card is more than enough for me. It performs especially well on higher res, which might be due to the CPU limitation being reduced there. At the end of the day, people should just test this card with their system and the games they play and see how it performs. You can always refund it afterwards, if it doesnt meet ur expectations.

[@kr00tmanmining]

Thank you for the feedback, you didn't come off as mean at all, I appreciate any constructive feedback. This video is just a complimentary video to my other b580 content..the idea was not to supply tons of data to sell you. It was to explain how I enjoy my games and show via real in game video captured via another PC to give you accurate performance, that it's a very solid 1440p experience and my overall opinion of the arc b580 hasn't changed. Also these are the only 2 CPU bound games in my testing suite, which is why I didn't test more.

[@NerdistRay]

@@Oozaru85 Thank you for your info. Glad that it works so well in your use case. I think I will just wait for a bit more, maybe a couple days, so that more videos come out with more testing data and make a decision then. I do see so far that B580 is really great at 1440p, and honestly not much competition for it currently at it's price.

[@NerdistRay]

@@kr00tmanmining Thank you. I will check out your other B580 content, as this was actually the first video I came across from your channel. Glad that you're appreciating feedback. English isn't my first language, hence the reason I was being so vocal about trying not to come off as rude. And I have decided to wait for a few days so that more testing data will be provided by some youtube channels. Hopefully by the end of all this, I can make a full PC Build purchase without any regrets, knowing full well what to expect.

[@jepulis6674]

​@@Oozaru85Its not about you liking a card or not. Its about the card performing worse than the competition when paired with a 5600 or even a 7600. Its shit and Intel shouldve warned reviewers about this as now the recommendations take a full u-turn. Budget card that requires a 7800x3d or better to fully utilize? Hell no.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

FPS is not all. 1% lows are even more important. Why didn't you show it?

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@GreyDeathVaccine 1 percent lows are not important unless you notice them, aka if you are not getting any lag spikes then the lows don't matter, it's the primary reason why I don't test the 1 percent lows. You will either lag or you won't

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

I don’t know about you, but 1% lows are definitely more noticeable than average.

[@External2737]

I am driven insane on 1% lows. That is what I buy on and recommend others to consider.

[@alancarr195]

I think he might be kinda saying this because he didn't get experiences of anything stutters n drops during gameplay, but sometimes like the first 5 seconds loading into a game can be what sets the 1% lows. But I agree they are important but the testers that record them can have some janky results from like that moment I'm talking about loading in

[@External2737]

@alancarr195 If it is the first five seconds, who cares. I still buy off 1% lows. However, my 7900XT (20MB) will last me a decade at the current rate of progress. I buy on sale, never top of the line (unless the sale is that good) and I upgrade for minimum 2x performance.

[@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk]

I was running a B580 in GEN 3 board at x8 with a 5700x3d. The bottlekneck was insane. the 1% lows were pure trash. Skipping, frame spikes, and Low FPS at 1080p. Returned it, got a refurb 3070 same price and man, my fps has SKY ROCKETED. It's not even close. I'm talking 20-40 more fps in many titles. B580 wants a certain type of configuration. I wouldn't recommend the card unless someone has a top tier CPU and just isn't interested in a very expensive GPU. I wouldn't say anything is fine if you're not getting the performance the card could be providing. Extra Vram means nothing when you're already with terrible lows, skipping everywhere.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk not sure how a 3070 is doing better then a b580 but as long as your happy

[@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk]

@@kr00tmanmining Well even on hardware unboxed results, the 3070 does get more FPS, and sometimes by 20-40fps depending on the game. And that was with a 7800x3d. Also the B580 doesn't scale with 1080p, so the FPS gets even higher with the 3070 if you want to push really high FPS for E-sports. They also made a video showing the overhead issue, where the performance is cut in HALF using a 5700x3d and not the 7800x3d in a few games. I do allot of research so I'm well informed. I'm glad you're enjoying yours tho.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk I can't talk to 1080p as I don't think I'd buy a b580 for it, and it's only cpu bound games and it just comes down to if you enjoy your gpu choice, that's all that matters.

[@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk]

@@kr00tmanmining The great thing is there are many options out there to suit the needs of each individual. I'm happy for those enjoying the B580. A happy gaming community is only a good thing.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk right, it's really important that Intel doesn't fail so they force amd and Nvidia to do better

[@grumpyoldgamerUK]

I've been running B580 at 1440p on a 8600G APU since before Xmas and it's been a great experience The testing we have seen have been quite flawed especially as it's started with using unsupported hardware The 1080p testing is odd as they don't Include the 1440p numbers for comparison especially as Intel marketed the B580 as a 1440p card For the price Intel has delivered a very decent 1440p budget card if you can get secure one at the RRP

[@MrMarinegold]

Good video. I am building a second computer. I had all the parts in the closet and this includes the Ryzen 5600x. I was not about to go out and buy a $500 to $1000 video card. I actually got the Intel Arc B570 because the B580 is sold out or the price is $400. My current rig is Ryzen 5700x and the AMD 6650XT. I just wanted to throw together another system to use as a server for Jellyfin, Plex and use it for a WIndows 11 system(second hard drive). I don't need it to play Cyberpunk 2077. I mostly play games from 2005 to 2015. I have a 27inch 1080 monitor with 165hz refresh rate and have been happy. The Intel card will be great for Plex, Jellyfin and video editing. I am going to assume this will suit my needs just fine with the 5600x CPU.

[@kr00tmanmining]

glad you like it, make sure you check out my relaunched tech channel for more intel coverage, I just dropped the b570 review www.youtube.com/@kr00tman_tech

[@roqeyt3566]

I think this just needs more time Time for more testing, time for intel to figure things out I'm personally playing it safe by ruling out ddr4 platforms, but as long as the performance is acceptable for you, might as well keep at it

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@roqeyt3566 I own it for testing if we are being honest, I enjoy it but it's not my daily driver (feels like it has been lately though)

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@roqeyt3566 will be interesting to see it f drivers fix it

[@roqeyt3566]

@@kr00tmanmining i know how you feel hahah As a fellow tinkerer, I spend more time using testing platforms than my actual PC. I really wanna see a lot of testing done on this overhead, see what and where the issues are. Maybe e-cores help, maybe better memory helps, maybe it just needs driver updates? Exciting stuff for sure.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@roqeyt3566 when I get back from CES I'll try the b580 on the 12100

[@NZRanger]

As a Ryzen 5700X owner using an ARC A750 I'd like to say Thank you for putting this out... I'm happy to go B580 WHEN I can source one seeing this!...

[@O_ODeer]

Such a good video emphasizing people need to know their own expectations and plan a build accordingly...

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@O_ODeer that's what I really want people to take away from this video

[@GNstudios1000]

I'm using a i7-8700 with my b580. I have a strix z390-e mobo. With rebar off games are unplayable, but with rebar on it is awesome even with a CPU that isn't "compatible"

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@GNstudios1000 that's good to know thank you for sharing, what games have you tried on this combination

[@GNstudios1000]

@@kr00tmanmining Forza horizon 5, Halo Infinite, Minecraft, Fortnite, GTA IV, GTA V, and Helldivers

[@PapaC-o9b]

you can mod nearly any open bios with a DXE mod to run rebar, ive got my a770 on a x99 mobo with xeon e52699.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@PapaC-o9b make a video on this!!! How is the system running

[@-mint5752]

I have this cpu paired alongside the asrock challenger variant of the B580. From my own experience it's not "that" bad from the games i've tried out. The only game I've tried that was giving me performance issues was CS2. There were plenty of drops whenever you walk through smokes or Molotovs are thrown. However one thing to note is that these issues went away as of Jaunary 7th. It might have been due to the game's update or my tinkering prior (disabling services, hardware acceleration in windows, and disabling CPU 0 in task manager). I'm pretty confident this has to be a driver issue since there's other issues with Arc where recording/streaming halves the frame rate.

[@zz759]

Please review this video card with the ryzen 5 5600 non X version or 3600 and check if Intel fixed the overhead issues with the older CPU

[@chauhaan3273]

Will it work with 12400f

[@kr00tmanmining]

Going to try it on a 12100 when I get back from ces

[@aleksazunjic9672]

Minimum CPU for b580 would be r5 5600, anything lower than that is not worth the effort. B 580 is a mid-tier card, not a budget option to upgrade older system. If you have older system and don not want to upgrade MB+CPU (possibly RAM), go for rx 6600 - 6700xt as these have modest prices both on new and used market.

[@gt1man931]

Here is the problem(?) with the complaint about old CPUs and rebar. Arc has always needed it, intel was very upfront about it. Most of the issues come through on platforms that might have rebar(depending on the MB), but before rebar/smart access memory was officially supported from intel or AMD(I haven't seen the boxes the cards come in, but I have seen people posting the specs are on the boxes that are the same as on that page linked). That means it might be implemented half-assed and you are taking a chance that it will be fine on older hardware before that time, regardless if there is a checkbox in your bios.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@gt1man931 this pretty much sums up how I feel though I wish Intel did a better job promoting this

[@MK-xc9to]

Well , if you believe HW unboxed , the B580 has an CPU overhead Problem in CPU demanding Games , at least with older / slower CPUs , you can see it here kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmGqnqp-fq-ogLs , while the RTX 4060 has a constant FPS Rate with the 5600 , 5700X3D and 7600 and 9800X3D , the B580 Performance goes up with each CPU up to the 9800X3D = you only get the best Performance with a B580 if you use the fastest CPU . Its a Driver Problem , maybe they fixed it for Intel CPUs .. , its an Intel GPU .

[@kr00tmanmining]

Yea for sure and I do believe them which is why I linked their video from mine. I believe it comes down to if you play this games and if you are ok with their current performance. If you are you buy it. If you are not you wait. Should honestly wait a week or 2 anyways to see what AMD and Nvidia announce

[@kaldorf]

I picked up a b580. I have a 5600 and a 5700x 3d. I am hoping it is a driver optimization. No need to panic I think. Time will tell if i should simply return but what is the alternative really? Support Nvidia? Not me. They are a compute centric company offering the "priviledge" to pay for the premier cards.

[@ausejoski]

Most of the KZbinrs don't think that much they just put in their PC, and not checking should have rebars active in your motherboard.. those who say it's crap. They focus too much just put on a machine then you're ok.. no that's not how it goes. Supported units should be followed.

[@jeremynelson8496]

Got a 265k for $200. It's a ripper. All the gen 5 hardware is what costs an arm and leg. I've been digging the b580 but am looking for something a little more powerful. Hopefully intel comes out with a b770 that gets it but we'll see.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@jeremynelson8496 are you looking to hit a specific foe at 1440p?

[@jeremynelson8496]

@@kr00tmanmining No targets but I keep hardware for a long time. I'm still using a 1060 from an i7 7700k build from 2017. I can afford better now and I want something to last for a while. Ngreedia is killing me with their prices tbh but I like the cards just work.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@jeremynelson8496 used 6950xt pair it with a 5700x3d

[@kr00tmanmining]

@jeremynelson8496 can't go wrong with that

[@StarsAtNight1]

I think you're missing the point, cheaper graphic cards also provide "playable fps" and "doing your own research" isn't doable at the moment because the data point are not available. The card still has the very high idle power usage and sup-par drivers compared to the competition. So for me to buy this card the price/performance ratio has to be right. And for now it isn't.

[@technicalhelps3904]

It will be good with ryzen 5 5600g or not?

[@vincerivera9325]

yeah, i would like to know too now I'm second guessing myself if I'm gonna buy this once its available

[@xjax8519]

Even Ryzen 7600 "not good" for this garbage )))

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

​@@xjax8519 It's not garbage at all. In AMDs case you need to run faster RAM if you wanna take full advantage of a modern Ryzen CPU.

[@AshtonCoolman]

Hardware Unboxed released a new video this morning. The B580 is not a good pairing for the 5600X.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@AshtonCoolman we can agree to disagree because I very much believe it is

[@lopserdff]

ultra 5 245k is good enough for the arc b580 bro!

[@kr00tmanmining]

Awesome thanks for sharing!!! Ill have a test with a 12100 soon enough

[@lopserdff]

@@kr00tmanmining yw

[@sirmoke9646]

It takes a ~3 minute search to find the requirements and decide whether or not you can meet the specs. Including checking the CPUs and motherboards with the proper BIOS. If there is a "raging debate" about it then those people are spoiled and/or cooked in the head. But hey... if these dumb asses sell their cards because of this... GOOD. The market welcomes discounted brand new cards.

[@einstien2409]

2 games dont seem to be enough to jump to that conclusion.

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@einstien2409 watch my review, and my video testing it on AAA games, this was just a retest after watching hardware unboxed video

[@Oozaru85]

And how many games did Hardware Unboxed test before claiming the card has a "huge" CPU overhead? Right, 3. 3 games of which one had barely any overhead at all.

[@abdallahmsaddi4242]

well respected opinion

[@kr00tmanmining]

@@abdallahmsaddi4242 thank you!

[@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716]

Still rather use rtx 4060. With older games it is more consistent esp with older mobo with no rebar support The issue is intel gpu still needs rebar, was hoping they would fix that and remove heavy dependcy on rebar

[@kr00tmanmining]

Rtx 4060 is garbage and it costs too much. Give me the b580 any day and honestly rebar is so widespread now it's a non issue for me

[@sirmoke9646]

My B450 board supports Smart access memory(=rebar). Update your BIOS people.

[@fahimanzam7015]

How much intel paid you xD

[@xjax8519]

And you must know when "ReBAR on" you need more RAM 16 gb is not a option ))) And not ALL games work perfect with ReBAR ))) ReBAR now only work in new games in old its always 0% fps !!!

[@xjax8519]

Space Marine 35 fps "alrigth" for you ???? )))

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

Stop spamming comments. Also many people game on 30 fps especially console players

[@xjax8519]

@@PixelatedWolf2077 Сonsole players now played Stalker 2 with 50-60 fps were b580 only 30 fps ))) It trash man even console faster !

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

@xjax8519 But you forget AMD has had dedicated GPUs for years, Intel has only had its second generation out. Also Console is way more optimized than PC will ever be

[@xjax8519]

@@PixelatedWolf2077 The most problem with Intel ARC its Vulkan API . Amd/MS made it for Xbox ! Thats why RDR2 , Indiana and Doom worked bad, "optimisation" dont help you !

[@xjax8519]

@@PixelatedWolf2077 If we take Qualcomm Elite X it wound be better Adreno can work with OpenGL and Vulkan from the start ! Intel ARC only for Dx12 that why Linux "driver" so ridiculous there.