I started *Torchwood* | Torchwood | "Everything Changes" | 1x1 | REACTION | Premiere

[@UgoWatch]

Captain Jack is back in town to shut it down! #ReclaimingHisTime Don't forget to hit that LIKE button, SUBSCRIBE and leave a COMMENT. TORCHWOOD is here! 🙌

[@AngieDeAguirre]

Spoilers 😉 😂😂😂

[@Amezella]

Lol that shot of Jack on the roof is so extra always cracks me up

[@MizziProductions]

@@Amezella It’s really edgy and over the top. 🤣

[@jeckjeck3119]

He is Batmaning it.

[@lauramurray615]

And when he slowly appears, before he gets shot, while Suzy and Gwen are arguing at the end xD

[@Iukeorsmth]

It’s set in the main doctor who universe nothing weird or alternate 😭

[@zvimur]

Mind you some head scratching over actors in one role here and another in DW.

[@cooluncle4242]

​@zvimur to be fair, there is a history of actors playing multiple roles in Dr Who

[@jaihayes9647]

Yeah but they did also call her Gwen lol. There was an intention here

[@EasternStandardTim]

Bruh, the way Ugo like to speculate and theorize, this is ABSOLUTELY spoiler territory, don’t tell him he’s wrong about his guesses

[@literaltruth]

@@cooluncle4242 I mean....the last regular episode of Doctor Who on this channel had the actor who plays the next companion in it as a different character :D

[@alexsimpkin5620]

Doctor Who has a time honoured tradition of reusing actors for multiple roles.

[@AngieDeAguirre]

Welcome to the BBC. We have 5 actors and all of them have been on Doctor Who.

[@lotemylife3006]

@@AngieDeAguirre and about half of those have also been on Merlin xD

[@PlutttØo]

Merlin was my show

[@talesyuki]

The way you overly complicated everything in this show was hilarious, please don't stop xD

[@stephjovi]

Fun fact Doctor Who didn't really catch on on German TV, but they showed Torchwood and many people watching it had never even heard of Doctor Who and had no idea Torchwood is a spinn off

[@dergudegruene]

I was one of those people. But I cought up with Doctor Who. 😂

[@stephjovi]

@@dergudegruene glad you did. I watched Doctor Who first when it was on Pro 7 than Quickly started to find more online and watch all of New who. Never watched Torchwood on TV only online and thought it was so funny to see the discourse online of German Torchwood viewers discussing who tf is that Doctor he talks about why did they never reveal how Jack became immortal 😂

[@merryharrypop]

@@stephjovi this is acc so funny, thankyou for this info

[@ftde1]

Gwen isn't Gwyneth, just as Suzie isn't the Duchess. Jack probably didn't mention the TARDIS by name because it would have led to more questions from Gwen. Torchwood One to Four aren't "phases" of Torchwood, but different branches. They coexist(ed) in the same universe and timeline, but Torchwood One was destroyed in the battle of Canary Wharf (aka the S2 finale of Doctor Who).

[@soundgal_sine_qua_non]

You've encountered the first of SO MANY CASES where the Doctor Who showrunner likes an actor so much that he'll recast them in either a related role or a new role so that he can have them on for longer. Sometimes there's an explanation, sometimes there's not. It's quite confusing, honestly. You'll see this happen multiple times in the next year alone.

[@stephjovi]

First and second, miss Toshiko Sato

[@HuntingViolets]

Every show I watched as a kid did this. It's only recently that it's become even slightly unusual, but it's so funny. I do like how there are explanations sometimes, though.

[@darachocathain1996]

Believe me, the show’s been doing this since 1963, they’re just continuing a time-honoured tradition.

[@jameshughes7946]

The 6th Doctor was an example of this too. Time Lord guard in a 5th Doctor story then boom 6th Doctor

[@mitchellhp]

Doctor Who even pokes fun at this fact eventually

[@moochocoogle]

8:45 The setting of Cardiff is a huge part of Torchwood. After several years of pretending that South Wales (where Doctor Who is filmed) is London, or an alien planet, or a beach in Norway they decided to actually set Torchwood there. RTD also makes the point multiple times through the franchise about Wales being overlooked as part of the UK, and this overt representation of Wales was pretty rare when the show first aired... and still is now.

[@docksider]

Toshiko was also was also in the double episode with the Slitheen in the hospital with the modified pig. I lived in Cardiff when this was filmed and lived upstairs and next door to the Pizza shop that Gwen got the pizzas from.

[@merryharrypop]

omg ur famous!

[@docksider]

@@merryharrypop LOL No....

[@StephanieMaireFaith]

GWEN, Gwenith is her ancestor it will be, and fun fact unscramble TORCHWOOD you'll get DOCTOR WHO

[@DalekCaanOfSkaro]

I saw you mention it in the video, and Cardiff is a lovely city. The bay is beautiful and the city center is incredible. The castle is awesome aswell. Although Doctor Who has a lot of the show set in England, they film primarily in Wales, so lots of the shows filming locations are there in Cardiff. There was a massive Doctor Who museum in Cardiff with an interactive experience, and it was incredible, but sadly it closed in 2017. Torchwood also had such a massive impact on Cardiff and Wales, a shrine was set up in the bay by local fans where the entrance to Torchwood is in the show, and is updated constantly by fans, BUT I WARN YOU, THE SHRINE CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR FUTURE SERIES.

[@TheLukecottle]

I’d like to correct you and just say that most filming is done in Cardiff AND Swansea for doctor who.

[@marq1609]

There’s a joke that the UK has six actors and 2 sets That comes from somewhere…

[@GhostPurple69]

38:12 given the "british empire" business, and how torchwoods 1-3 are set respectively in england, scotland, and wales, i'm guessing davies means to imply that torchwood 4 was established in ireland and they later lost contact after ireland declared its independence.

[@norab84]

if you're going to visit Cardiff, please wait until you've seen more Torchwood- that way you can visit the "shrine" without any spoilers 😅 Also, Tosh was in the Slitheen episodes

[@KelilaBennet]

Visit there without any spoilers. You didn't need that extra word. Thanks!

[@sandyhagen9155]

Looking forward to your reaction to Torchwood. Starting it at the right time, no spoilers, but it will cross over with Doctor Who in places.

[@mel.a.bicket]

OMG I am so here for THIS!!! I just found you and I love how much you love Jack and are backing him up "Block The Doctor"

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

The first scene of this episode is the first time the F-word was spoken in the Doctor Who franchise on TV. (Doctor Who itself can't use it because it's a family show.)

[@nich6200]

Different character, man, she’s a different character

[@SeeJay81]

I don't think I've ever seen so many comments on a Torchwood reaction! Ugo is drawing the crowds, and I'm here for it.

[@lucasoddity]

No touchwood is not an alternate timeline!! Its same universe and .. also remember captain jack is a time agent ...

[@cassianand0r]

touchwood lol (i mean that’s probably a more appropriate name for them lbr)

[@mitchellhp]

Ahhh Thank you! This series doesn’t get enough love. Looking forward to your Torchwood journey

[@Mandrozani]

Such a great reaction to this episode. Loved your post-episode thoughts!

[@44Gem44]

I like the Doctor Who spin off The Sarah Jane Adventures of someone else who was left behind!🤩

[@somerandomguy2073]

She isn’t Gwyneth, and it isn't a parallel world.

[@MizziProductions]

My partner’s a little older than me so was old enough to watch this comfortably when it aired in 2006, whereas I’m more Doctor Who and wasn’t old enough to watch this when it originally aired (there are some strong adult themes in this series that you just wouldn’t find in Doctor Who!). He really enjoyed Torchwood but doesn’t like Doctor Who, possibly because Torchwood is *much* more adult, and Doctor Who is more family friendly/doesn’t take itself so seriously. I don’t understand how anyone who likes this wouldn’t like Doctor Who, though!

[@thelazygamer1639]

You could argue Torchwood tries too hard to be adult, when it comes off as edgy.

[@leelottieurquhart4550]

It’s not an alternate timeline!

[@julianaFinn]

About time someone reacted to this phenomenal show! Not many reactors do, and i hope you do season 2, if you haven't already. It only gets better

[@WiccanRai]

I need to do a rewatch. You have inspired me to do so. No spoilers, but it's not an alternate timeline or anything like that. Patience and you'll gradually see. 😉

[@SpiderBatFan]

I’ve been behind on the reactions due to work but finally getting there now, can’t wait for some Torchwood and doctor who series 3!

[@zemoxian]

Yes, it’s not an alternate timeline. It’s an alternative time slot. Torchwood came on much later in the evening when they could air more mature subject matter. As a result, they didn’t want to attract younger audiences to the show so there’s minimal mention of Doctor Who details. The Doctor also won’t be crossing over. But you’ll notice he mentioned general plot details from the show that the general public is supposed to be aware of and his own history on the show. So it’s definitely the same universe/timeline. It is interesting whenever actors play more than one role in the same show. It’s not that uncommon on a show that’s lasted over 60 years. I can think of at least 9 off the top of my head right now. And I’ve updated that number a few times while writing this.

[@jamiec6372]

torchwood continued on audio with a season 5, 6 and 7 - they are canon and RTD even had involvement with certain characters / plotlines. HIGHLY recommend.

[@cooluncle4242]

I didn't enjoy season 4 so lost interest but might have to check them out

[@Carl_JC21]

Love this show, especially as it’s filmed & set in my City

[@kylemccrory8509]

Ah! I haven’t been to Cardiff in ages - what’s changed in the last 10 years?

[@Carl_JC21]

@@kylemccrory8509 the doctor who experience has gone, not sure if you knew, that’s a shame as there’s now only the Torchwood shrine/water tower to visit at the bay

[@joshuajames6898]

Welcome to the coolest spinoff, Toshiko first appeared in the Slitheen two parter examining the space pig. Everything changes is such a suspenseful first episode!

[@bbsj86]

This isnt sarah jane adventures

[@lukebarton5075]

Nah man. This is literally episode one of “Torchwood” The other episode mentioned was “Aliens of London” from the first series of rebooted Dr. Who. You know, the one with Christoper Eccleston.

[@bbsj86]

@@lukebarton5075 I fucked my joke by putting "is" instead of "isn't"

[@lukebarton5075]

Ah now it makes sense haha.

[@joshuajames6898]

@@lukebarton5075 I was talking about Torchwood in terms of the first episode comment.

[@AngieDeAguirre]

Ugo has not uploaded yet and there are so many comments already??? Damn! We were all waiting for this!!😂

[@Venemofthe888]

I'll put this nicely as i can mr Ugo. Just because its the same actor doesnt mean its the same character :)

[@stephjovi]

Same actor same name 😂. Considering that she didn't even have kids she must have been her great great great.... Aunt

[@JulieFreyHomeWebBiz]

Torchwood: *MA rated monsters and scenes *At least two offices seen (This is other office.) *Apparent workplace issues *Captain Jack history revealed in time (Review "The Parting of Ways". What happened to Captain Jack at end?) It is the same universe but the adult only underside of the Whoniverse that would be cut out or not allowed by censors. There is one thing from Doctor Who in plain sight. What we get is new characters and plotlines we could not do in Doctor Who. Sarah Jane Adventures is aimed at younger audiences but still has strong plotlines and sometimes scary stories or creatures. The episodes are more like classic series multi parts per story. It makes use of some characters from Doctor Who. Release Dates (Guide to viewing episodes.) Doctor Who Series 2: spring through summer 2006 + 2007 Christmas Special Torchwood Series 1: fall 2006 through winter 2007 Doctor Who Series 3: spring to summer 2007 Sarah Jane Series 1: January 2007 (pilot) & fall 2007 Doctor Who 2007 Christmas Special Torchwood Series 2: spring 2008 Doctor Who Series 4: spring to summer 2008 Sarah Jane Series 2: fall 2008 Doctor Who 2008 Christmas Special Doctor Who 2009 Easter Special (first and on HD for the first time) Torchwood Series 3: summer 2009 Sarah Jane Series 3: fall 2009 Doctor Who Special: November 2009 Doctor Who Christmas Special: winter 2009 Doctor Who Series 5: spring to summer 2010 Sarah Jane Series 4: fall 2010 Doctor Who Christmas Special: winter 2010 Doctor Who Series 6: spring to fall 2011 (first season split) Torchwood Series 4: summer 2011 Sarah Jane Series 5: fall 2011 Doctor Who Christmas 2011 Christmas Special Then Doctor Who with series 7 in fall of 2012. (Then there is "Class" a one season series.)

[@KelilaBennet]

Great reaction! I'm sorry for all the people who insist on telling you future plot points. x.x Clearly they haven't learned from the last time.

[@Pablo-hj1rt]

@@KelilaBennet yeah the amount of people trying to be clever by dropping hints or just flat out spoiling stuff is insane, he really needs a moderation team to monitor the comments cus these morons clearly can’t control themselves.

[@rachelkilby5829]

I'm sure you will find the answers to the questions you have,in the rest of the series. (Don't want to give you any spoilers) So excited that you are watching this. Jack is back!!🎉😄👏🏻

[@bigmansomm7911]

Just to clarify gwen isn’t Gwyneth, just the same actress in a different role, she was given that name just as a nod to her previous appearance (although not to be spoilery the show does eventually make a light reference to gwyneth, kind of implied shes gwens ancestor). Torchwood 1-3 also are just different branches of torchwood, the same way that say google has different buildings and teams scattered across the US. The reason they don’t explicitly mention a ton of doctor who related things in the show (although you do get more explicit nods as it goes on) is probably just done to not alienate audience members that haven’t seen doctor who

[@cooluncle4242]

There are certainly some interesting and complex characters in torchwood. I haven't watched it since it first aired but I remembered not particularly liking Owen and after seeing this episode, I can see why. Tosh is great though and I think it's the same character that appeared in Dr Who season one.

[@AngieDeAguirre]

What??? Oh, KZbin did not send the reminder. I can't believe it! Damn! I missed the premiere 😢😢😢

[@ADxWales81]

If you're gonna invest in a visit to Cardiff Bay, I'd advise watching at least the first two series of Torchwood first.

[@farview13]

Torchwood is much darker than Doctor Who. Be ready for that. I absolutely adore Eve Myles, who plays Gweneth. I got to meet her in person once and she is a delight.

[@jelletinny]

I love that you’ll be watching this at the same rate as the original airing with Doctor Who- that’s gunna pay off in future seasons~~

[@oonree.]

Torchwood is one of my favorite shows. Sometimes better than doctor who in my opinion. Its a lot more grim. Get ready for one hell of a ride!

[@HerHollyness]

If you watch these in order alongside Doctor Who, you’re in for a great time. I know it’s a long way off for you but Torchwood S3 is one of the best, most chilling, most heartbreaking experiences ever.

[@gabriellegabbynoblecomics3913]

I think all of your questions will be answered in the end... even if you have to wait more than two seasons for it. but i don't think its a spoiler to tell you that this is indeed set in the main whoniverse.

[@boyfriend5841]

Love your videos!! So happy for you that you got to see jack return haha if you ever come to cardiff let me know I'll give you a doctor who tour 😂

[@PyraJord]

Cant wait for you to reach the Children of Earth story. Its one of if not THE darkest and most grounded stories to be told in the Dr Who Universe

[@nicolao.dos.santos]

Absolutely! I loved this story!

[@cooluncle4242]

I've not watched it for years so will be interesting to experience it again. It was a hell of a story with amazing performances but a bit too dark and upsetting to rewatch that often.

[@oliverturner7365]

Just an extra fact to add on to the 'Gwen/Gwyneth are not the same person' comments. Gwen is in fact short for Gwenllian [pronounced Gwen-thlee-an] (or can be, she may have been plain old Gwen). It really is a completely different name. Now, if she was called Gwyn... I get that it's a difference of a vowel though. 😅

[@matthewmartin2558]

Well as you discovered in the episode School Reunion he doesn't talk about past companions. As great as Jack is he wouldn't be the exception

[@siskoid]

Not phases, just different offices. Don't worry about it.

[@literaltruth]

One connection you missed - the charater of Tosh / Toshiko was also in an episode of Doctor Who. She's the scientist in Aliens of London who is examining the pig alien from the spaceship the Slitheen crashed as a distraction. Gwen is NOT the same character as the actress played in The Unquiet Dead, but it's implied at some point that she may be related to her (like Gwyneth was her great-great auntie). Other connections to Doctor Who you might have missed is that he gave a complex explaination for it - but the reason that nobody can see the entrance to Torchwood is because when the TARDIS parked there and refueled on the rift, it left a residual perception filter - meaning people just kind of don't look at it or notice it There's also one other BIG connection that's a prop you didn't notice but I'll not spoil that one. They will explain it later and it might be fun for you to find out.

[@TheMess9898]

@@literaltruth why are you spoiling future surprises???? STOP IT

[@samtheking25]

I love torchwood so much

[@adambrown409]

Gwen is the decendent of the girls from the unquiet dead

[@AmyloveStorma]

Yayyy torchwood 🎉

[@stephjovi]

Owen is Burn Gormen you may know him from The Man In The High Castle

[@markharris1125]

And the lovely Karl Tanner from Gin Alley!

[@cassianand0r]

don’t forget pacific rim!

[@stephjovi]

And he's in thr latest hunger games movie. Watched that the other day and was like wait is that Owen? Omg it is!

[@jacobhogan3208]

Torchwood letsgo

[@kylemccrory8509]

SO EXCITED!

[@jessbailey5178]

oh god please don't multiverse 🤣 it's just the present haha. Great reactions though keep it up hah

[@dwfa1633]

AAAAAA!!!! SO EXCITING!!

[@MrTrevcarter]

Hooray at last!!!!!!

[@nich6200]

The UK has 5 actors, they over use them because they have more roles than they have actors so one actor play different characters like Gwen in this case

[@skipsgolden79]

It's not set in a alternate universe at all it's the same one as the doctor. Please don't let marvel ruin your mind this is well was something very different.

[@EasternStandardTim]

Don’t go to the touchwood spot until u finish the show, there is a VERY PUBLIC SPOILER

[@ms_scribbles]

It's not Gwyneth. It's Gwen Cooper. Different character completely.

[@ms_scribbles]

No, it's not alternate timeline. He just doesn't want to talk about the Doctor with a total stranger.

[@Legendary3Dgamer]

Ah nice 🙂

[@liddad]

Not you saying "Raining, I i bet its London" when you thought Doctor Who was set in Cardiff for the entire first season 😂 Edit: and yes i will make fun of you for it

[@AlexaOleksa]

Could you do video circle bigger for next ones, there is enogh space

[@computernerd1101]

20:11 What's the point of a cover story if it's even scarier than the truth that it's covering up?

[@swytchyglytch]

"The hand of Boe" stick a fork in me, I'm done. I can't take it anymore... I don't think I can do this. My insides are just bursting with all the things I want to say right now lol. So I'm just going to settle for a good old fashioned "oh, so close yet so very far away." This isn't an alternate universe... when Jack was describing how he "thinks" the invisible lift works, he was actually talking about the events of Boomtown but with a whole lot of technobabble meant to confuse and disorient her lol. Also, you'll want to finish Season 1 of Torchwood before you start the last 3 episodes of Doctor Who Season 3. That would make the wibbly wobble time whimey stuff a bit easier to manage at least lol.

[@lewischerry3552]

I can understand why you’ve got multiverse on the brain with the disconnect from Jack’s story at the end of series 1, series 2 parallel word shenanigans plus reusing Gwens actor.

[@jeckjeck3119]

I promise, it gets amazing after season 2. Though the first has some great gems too. It's just the weakest.

[@brianhophead]

have you thought about reacting to Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

[@HuntingViolets]

He doesn't see anything or doesn't remember seeing anything doesn't prove anything.

[@markharris1125]

As I would expect, you recognised Eve Myles and Indira Varma, but unfortunately this has led you down a path that most people never go down - because I've found that most people are hopeless at recognising people! They're not the same characters they played / will play, they're just Gwen and Suzie!

[@P5YcHoKiLLa]

Torchwood : *Adults Only* until season 3

[@joerosenman3480]

My goodness! That puts it on the same level as all TV-MA content (US ratings). I’d put it as TV-14. Adolescents aren’t delicate flowers, and comparing it to other content-well, that’s about the equivalent rating it would get. You may still believe it’s for adults only, of course. Opinions will always vary about pretty much everything. But even the next episode wouldn’t earn an R rating, and that’s as risqué as any episode gets. 🤷‍♂️

[@therealpbristow]

The implication that season 3 is somehow *more* suitable for younger viewers than what comes before it is.... a bit baffling. =:oo

[@cooluncle4242]

Season 3 is the most adult and harrowing. I certainly wouldn't recommend it for younger children unless you want to give them nightmares.

[@joerosenman3480]

@@cooluncle4242 I agree. Just recalling it brings a bit of a shudder. Brilliantly executed, probably the best SF-Horror I’ve seen… No blood, no sex-at least as I recall. Some violence & death, but, well…

[@Kryojenix]

“The hand of Boe” 😏

[@BruhsCookieJar]

@@Kryojenix the similarities in how the face of beau and the hand of beau (until further notice I accept this name) are presented is uncanny. I’m amazed he caught that. I didn’t see it on my first watch!!

[@stephjovi]

Spoilers!! Don't do that that's rude

[@memoryfoam2285]

This is in the main Dr Who timeline (althought the main show mostly ignores it), and Gwen is a descendant of Gwyneth

[@matthewpreston28]

The next episode is the weirdest thing ever to be created

[@gavindwyer6504]

The hand in the jar - remember David Tennant's first episode - the fight with the Sycorax ;)

[@Pablo-hj1rt]

why do you feel the need to comment stuff like this? just let him watch the show and connect the dots on his own. you aren't clever you're just outright spoiling stuff

[@gavindwyer6504]

@@Pablo-hj1rt he mentioned it in his comments so Im pointing out what it is. So sue me for simply pointing something out he has mentioned.

[@Pablo-hj1rt]

@@gavindwyer6504 yes but he hasn’t made the connection yet of what exactly it is, you’re just being ignorant

[@suntannedduck2388]

Same universe Jack just found a way to earth after events of S1 of DW. I forget if books or explained in DW. No idea if his time jump on his wrist then the surfboard he was on Sat 5 after all. Unless a transport but likely a wrist time jump. This is why I think people should watch S3 or 4 of DW instead before Torchwood for 'events' to happen but it's fine still till events align. I watched DW a lot then Torchwood I got to late as in like 2023 but went ah S2-4 of DW events matter here besides it's being it's own thing. Torchwood is like Warehouse 13 I feel multiple Torchwood branches, gadgets to track down strange things but instead of artifacts more X Files or others about alien things. But yes adult DW concepts. Similar writers,, more out there concepts DW or Sarah Jane Adventures don't do. Not all episodes are good but the ones that land really land as good as the best DW episodes. Yep Tosh in space pig S1 E4/5 episode she is my favourite character in Torchwood, Gwen as ancestor of Gwen in S1 E3 DW. Suzie she had to risk it. Jack lives because of Rose still of course. DW is fair to align with comparisons for sure. :)

[@craigmarin2074]

Please react to John Barrowman(jack harkness) All Out Of Love Official Music Video

[@stephjovi]

I want him to watch Barrowman twirling in his Tardis dress and high heels

[@chrisleneil]

Indira Varma was a huge crush of mine before I ever saw ‘Torchwood’, so I was *SO* angry when they made her the baddie! (Luckily, I also loved Naoko Mori, so it helped to still have Tosh around) There’s only 1 character from this series that I never cared for, but I do really like the performer, so it’s no slight against them. Love the monetisation sign over the scenes that you can’t show 💀 Wonderful reactions, as always. Enjoy the facets of the show - it is quite a ride! 💜🌈👽

[@crispysquidoftheacidcats295]

Bro spoilers

[@ellymatcham4696]

You're watching it out of order you need to see doctor and Martha to understand

[@Pablo-hj1rt]

no he doesn't. S1 of Torchwood aired in full before S3 of DW even premiered. watching the 2 concurrently with each other is perfectly fine

[@beldin2987]

Saying "The Phoenix" is a spoiler for everyone who hasn't seen X-Men that already. Ok, that was of course sarcasm, but thats how some people really kinda react about what all could be a possible spoiler where i sometimes think : ok, cool down a bit.

[@gestaltdude]

Yes, Eve Myles played Gwyneth in The Unquiet Dead. The show has a history of bringing the people they like back. The most notable instance was having Colin Baker in the Fifth Doctor story Arc of Infinity. He played the commander of the Capitol guard on Gallifrey, Maxill, and has the dubious distinction of being the only actor to have shot his predecessor on screen before taking over the role. :D Naoko Mori, who in Torchwood plays Toshiko Sato, was also the expert brought in to examine the pig-hybrid created by the Slitheen in Aliens of London. I believe the BBC actually gave her previously unnamed character in AoL her Torchwood character's name retroactively, , after Torchwood premiered, to establish a connection between the two shows. Also, I'm so sorry for the next episode. It would be no surprise to those familiar with his style that it was written by Chris Chibnall, who it seems didn't quite get the memo about what the show was supposed to be about. He who would later go on to be Who's show runner, who many would argue brought the same "doesn't really get the show" vibe, resulting in some of the worst received episodes of the shows history. And that includes the classic era stories like Horns of the Nimon and Underworld.

[@KelilaBennet]

??? Why would you say that about the next episode and give him some preconceived notions about a director he's not met? He's a brilliant reactor, let him be fresh. Maybe he'll like it. Your bias is not the same as everyone else's.

[@gestaltdude]

@@KelilaBennet He still can. I've said absolutely nothing about plot, character or story. He may love it, and that's fine. Or he may think it sucks, and that's fine too. Besides, do you really think he'll remember one comment on an unrelated episode in two years when he gets to Chibnall's era? I just respect the man too much to not be brutally honest about things. Pretending things aren't what they are is why the world is in the state we're in, and the only way out is like the Qowat Milat and adhere to a policy of absolute candor.

[@KelilaBennet]

@@gestaltdude So you tell him your opinions at the end of the next episode, not "hey the director for next episode and for the future kinda sucks good luck".

[@Pablo-hj1rt]

@@gestaltdude that doesn't matter. you're still giving him a preconceived idea of future episodes and eras. he might not remember your comment specifically, but you're not the first person to comment something like that. i just don't understand why people like you can't just keep your mouth shut

[@craigmarin2074]

This episode should not be watched Untill After "Poisin Sky" i can say no more

[@BruhsCookieJar]

He already watched this episode.

[@BruhsCookieJar]

But I hear your thoughts and share it. It seems people fall in two categories on this: watch torchwood before season 3 dw or watch it after season 3. The before season 3 people were louder. Mostly because those who want after don’t want to spoil by saying why.

[@SoTOreo]

honestly the order is irrelevant. spoiler jacks immortal. honestly people commenting on watch order implies more of a spoiler than the immortality thing

[@nazimelmardi]

@@SoTOreoit is spoiler. For Doctor Who. Not here. So yes. There can be a lot of spoilers. Just stop this is happening now and that’s it.

[@Pablo-hj1rt]

S1 of Torchwood aired in full before S3 of DW even premiered. watching the 2 concurrently with each other is perfectly fine

[@ivylady13]

No, no alternate timeline. Same Jack.. Don't assume anything. This is not Doctor Who.