I Think I Have A Twin That My Parents Kept A Secret From Me r/Relationships

[@chunglu]

the first story made me laugh when the biodad got upset that someone else stepped up to raise the kid he abandoned as a toddler. the audacity lol

[@ceeshnia]

Right? "How dare you fall in love with my side piece that you've been hand-delivering groceries to for the past decade? They are mine!"

[@Streetwisefirst]

The nerve

[@frith.calluna]

Hahaha fr! Couldn't have said it better myself

[@ashleypowers4177]

The mother seems like a piece of work too. If she could squeeze some money out of it, why not? The bio-dad maybe sending some money sometime, but why stay single for him when you can have the money and a man in your bed.

[@KyrieChii]

@@ashleypowers4177 I know, right? If I were her I'd have been incredibly ashamed of my actions (considering she was well aware of everything & was keen to keep going with it regardless of that guy's wife & child), but I guess one has the be _capable_ of shame in the first place & I have my doubts. I just don't understand the selfishness of people who could do things like that. (Not saying the bio-Dad wasn't also a piece of flaming dogshit, that goes without saying).

[@merhona3472]

First story: Dad stopped talking to his brother for marrying his side piece. Whom he had dumped the responsibility of taking care of. Whom he had left.

[@steph0711]

That's what I was thinking... dad was cheating on his family with mom, then later on his brother got in an honest relationship with her and now dad is butthurt about that? Great guy really

[@fuckinzell]

Nah, it’s still weird. I couldn’t see myself sleeping with much less marrying any of the women my siblings have been with. It’s weird and gross lbs

[@chippydippy1530]

​@@fuckinzell Still less weird than being in an affair

[@jakemarie828]

​@@fuckinzellbut a 2nd family is ok?

[@eliashuapilla]

​@DenzelMeans what's weird is that OP'S mom knew, and still went along with it.

[@Kris-zy7is]

The second OP breaks my heart. This happened to my best friend’s cousin, being outed by a ‘caring’ family member. That side of her family being incredible religious they were sending her to a conversion therapy camp. She ran away the night before & has been gone for 15 years. Just gone, no letters, no social media, no contact. Just gone & the sick thing is her mother still thinks what they were doing was right. Her father realized a year later what damage he did & he’d “do anything to just know she’s ok, to tell her she can come home & she is loved, no matter who she loves.” He never got that ending before he died

[@callmepheebsformyphoebenam8113]

Oh god, reading last part about her father broke my heart. I hope she was doing well. My heart goes out for her

[@Avrysatos]

that's what happens when you choose your perfect family image over your actual family. I hope she is doing well out there.

[@naominagler7290]

He deserved what he got before he died. If he was actually sorry he would have realized what they did was wrong the day she left. And if his wife didn't get it he should have divorced her and spent the rest of his life looking for his daughter.

[@Kyubinooni]

Cherry picking Christian parents. Forgive the golden child for cheating [a sin] on his girlfriend [premarital sex, yet another sin] but punish the daughter for being bi... yup, Jesus is gonna love that.

[@miriam9419]

I know, that makes no sense at all. Alway it seems strange that they wouldn’t believe her lie. Like they wanted a reason to be disappointed in her or something. If I were her I would just keep the lie up until I could leave and never talk to them ever again.

[@VFKAdventureRabbit]

Golden child is practically their golden idol it feels like. Cheating is the action expressly written about not to do in the ten commandments and they've been *comforting him* for it. Definitely cherry-picking.

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

Yep. Definitely sounds like Cherry Picking to me and playing favorites, but that's obvious. Either way, even if she married a man, Religious Nut Parents shouldn't be surprised if OP never speaks her brother again or doesn't talk to them for a long time once she moves out.

[@whatismylatestobsession350]

They are proud of their cheating son, but dissapointed in their bisexual daughter? No wonder the world is such an awful place

[@nikkideede7972]

Anit, plus how can they call themselves very religious if they're ok with premarital sex and cheating

[@helixxia9320]

Just so backwards

[@Russman67]

Story 1: Wow! That story is insane! I get why the uncle gave up his name and joined OP's family. I'd have a hard time wanting to be associated with that nonsense either.

[@Rukiah1]

Technically he married into the nonsense

[@Russman67]

@@Rukiah1 he was already part of the nonsense. It seems like he picked the shallow end of the pool though.

[@robertbishop5158]

Yeah he took the most moral ground Without trying to upset the kid, but needed to be there when OP first asked His mom. I'm glad bio dad screwed up This made himself look like the jerk he Is. He should keep the half sister that's the Only one really innocent beside OP

[@emilybarclay8831]

Why he’d marry a woman who was perfectly happy to be the side piece to her friend's husband for what seems like months if not years is beyond me. OP's mum is as shitty as OP's dad and i wouldnt be shocked if she cheated on stepdad as well

[@tabortoothtiger7580]

@@Rukiah1 Surprise, surprise, humans are messy. Who would have thunk it.

[@AndyyWithAY]

There's never an excuse to cheat. I'm glad you're the only one in your family holding him accountable

[@SkyEcho751]

Yep, the truth is that these are 'face value' Christians, who are only adopting some of the rules. If they were truly following the bible the brother should have been kicked out for adultery, given that unlike homosexuality, adultery actually has punishment lined out in the bible. And while yes Jesus himself didn't follow through with punishment, it was still expressly lined out to not commit adultery. Though fun fact, the bible verse about homosexuality only refers to guys. So it could be argued that OP is fine and didn't sin, this is without reinterpreting the written words: "A man shall not lie with another man as he would a woman." Since it doesn't mention women being prohibited from relations with another women as men are with other men.

[@CharlesGriswold]

@@SkyEcho751 Romans 1:26-27 could be interpreted as condemning lesbianism, but no specific punishment is mentioned. It's also worth mentioning that the laws in the Old Testament were specifically for the Israelites. Christians are bound more by the spirit of the Mosaic law than by the letter, and probably shouldn't be (for instance) killing each other for cooking on the Sabbath.

[@thedestroyasystem]

@@melodyharpole8272 I think you’re misinterpreting what they’re saying. If OP is being punished for her “sins”, then why isn’t brother being punished for his, when what he did was actually undebatably sinful? They’re pointing out the hypocrisy in the parents’ actions. Brother clearly didn’t repent, he cheated and he’s being rewarded for it. Forgiveness is important, but forgiving bad behavior and actually rewarding it are two different things.

[@pippo17173]

What is it with Christian thinking cheating is forgivable? Its basically telling the victim to suck it up and fix the relationship. Fuck that shit.

[@CharlesGriswold]

@@pippo17173 You can forgive a person, and still end the relationship. The Bible specifically says that cheating is grounds for divorce, so any Christian who says that someone who's been cheated on is required to stay in the relationship is talking out their ass.

[@Mewse1203]

If the parents are so religious, if they start in on OP, he should tell them " Oh I see you pick and choose what parts of your religion to follow. It's not ok for me to commit sin but my brother can and he is let off the hook. Sin is sin. His sin is a violation of the 10 commandments, mine is not. Why am I getting grief and he is getting a free pass? That probably isn't safe for him to say, but is the truth. I hope they are better than we expect them to be. Edit: I love their hypocrisy. Also it is EXACTLY how she was raised. She was born with the genetics from them and that predisposed her to her sexuality. Her upbringing and experience provides the rest. They are disgusting and I hope OP is able to escape their nonsense.

[@KyrieChii]

You can't argue with these people (the vast majority of them are hypocrites with selective priorities & bias), you can make an air-tight scripture -laden argument proving them wrong & it would still get you absolutely _nowhere_ with people like this. _Christ himself_ could descend from the heavens & give a sermon supporting you & they'd just decide Jesus was a 'traitor' or some other insane bullshit. Unfortunately I know this from experience. The only thing you can do is get away from them.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

Well, OP could always take a page from their "hypocrisy and lies are GOOD!" religious playbook, and use an Unethical Pro Life Tip; Agree with your parents that you need to speak to someone from the church. Then tearfully "confess" to the church person that your father has been touching you inappropriately since you were a little girl, and now they're punishing you because you may be carrying your father's child. Fuck religious and sexist assholes. If they love terrible morals, lies, and hypocrisy so much, fight fire with fire.

[@dianeessex300]

I am a Christian by faith. Those parents and their kind are why I'm not by religion.

[@VFKAdventureRabbit]

I wonder if there's a Golden Child complex in here too that the brother had been getting all this good treatment despite being in a bad position due to his own actions. Cheating is shamed pretty deeply in most religions and just that they've let him off the hook so easily feels like they consider their son worthier than the rules.

[@brigidtheirish]

I know, right? These parents aren't "very religious," they just like using religion to pretend to be better than everyone else. *I'm* from a religious family and hypocrites like this annoy *all of us.* I'm not straight and had a freak out over it that my *dad* calmed me down from. Both parents have given my sisters and me advice on what to look out for and how to protect ourselves from guys who'd mistreat us. They're good folk who take *everything* their religion says seriously, not just a few convenient pieces.

[@81babyruthluv]

Story 2: Oh that poor girl. To all parents out there who act this way: I hope you are prepared to have your children to completely cut contact with you after they become adults, and that you will probably never see your grandchildren. And then Mark will have to read about it on KZbin, either from your POV where you are the AH, or from your daughter's POV where she isn't the AH and you all are psychotic. I hope this girl can go stay with a grandparent who isn't f*ck nut crazy. I really feel for her and I am worried for her. I hope runs away frankly.

[@Snipergoat1]

My oh my, such spite for people you have never met. It's not healthy, do some yoga, drink some tea, think of kittens and puppy dogs. All things considered, there are far worse ways parents have reacted to having a gay kid. Nothing there is too serious, yeah, OP is pissed and for good reason but right now there is no reason to think the rift can't heal.

[@AnymousScreams]

@@Snipergoat1 That's a rift that never heals, man. My family have lost any part of my life over a safe space during a holiday get together over me being bi. They got hostile soon after. Only reason I said it during a holiday is because we only see each other all together once a year. OP is best going no contact with her brother and parents. They won't get better.

[@macylouwho1187]

@@Snipergoat1 it’s literally NO one else’s business what someone does with their own body regardless of who it is-parents included. You do not “own” your children, they are individual free human beings with every right to live how they see fit and love who they choose to love. It is the most outrageous bullsh-t thing in the entire world that anyone thinks that they should have the right or be able to stick their nose into anyone else’s business and tell them anything of the sort. People like this have some sort of control freak issue that they need to deal with on their own time.

[@carolroberts4614]

Why are they not mad at the son cheating on his girl then? That's wrong too!

[@81babyruthluv]

@@Snipergoat1 It must be nice to view the world through rose-colored glasses.

[@vilux-r5527]

Im personally so afraid for OP in story 2, as I come from a very religious country and I know they all think this is justified and conversion "therapy" (I'm sick at the work therapy in this torture practice) is a thing.

[@toysruskid5074]

It actually became more dangerous when it became illegal for actual medical professionals to be involved in the US. A lot of people thought that would be the end of it, but nowhere close. Edit: I wish they'd just made the whole practice criminal, but the US is big on religious freedom.

[@johnsmith-kt7ef]

heres the funny thing. Even if as parents you dont agree with her stance, she has never had a relationship... Right now she may be bi, try it out and not like it as she ages. They are going to do more "damage" to this girl than they think and are toxic. She may be bi, she may be a lesbian, she may be straight. She has never experienced anything so she is having thoughts at best right now and parents are acting like idiots.

[@Dusk.EighthLegion]

@@johnsmith-kt7ef She said she's bi, therefore she is bi, it's a relatively simple concept.

[@JariDawnchild]

@@johnsmith-kt7ef While you are correct in that she has no experience, whether she ends up with a guy or a girl will not automatically make her straight or lesbian respectively. It will only mean that a bi female is either with a dude or a lady depending on which one she ends up with.

[@bluedragon8762]

@@johnsmith-kt7ef so when everyone's a virgin they don't know what sexuality they have?

[@AndyyWithAY]

This is absolutely not Christianity and if the church approves of this insanity, it's a false church. You are rewarding your son for cheating, thanking him for invading his sister's privacy for complete spite, and being horrible to your daughter who needs love and support. These parents are evil

[@Snipergoat1]

Well if you believe in the Bible, it does have some very clear words regarding homosexuals. Of course every religion picks and chooses what bits of their holy books they care about. To say they are not Christian because they care about a part of the book you ignore just doesn't fly.

[@raccoon_wise9234]

@@Snipergoat1 if you did your research the stuff it says about homosexuality was edited the original verse was a mistranslation about pedophilia.

[@stellamccoy5259]

@@raccoon_wise9234 prove it. This is just something they tell people to make them feel better about their actions.

[@wmdkitty]

No, that absolutely IS Christianity. Own it.

[@VFKAdventureRabbit]

Not even gonna touch the aggressives in the replies here since I hate the blind arguments but it really isn't Christianity. Christianity is supposed to follow Jesus's teachings most of all I believe, and He effectively nullified most of the Old Testament's stricter rules and punishments. Nevertheless the more persistent theme remained afterward that cheating is wrong. Cheating is the evil done here and should have been viewed as such. But it feels a lot like a Golden Child and scapegoat complex, and their golden child was deemed worth more than the rules of their religion. When it comes to these types of "religious" people, I personally think their greatest faith is actually towards themselves...

[@oakenshadow6763]

I'm so glad the mom was willing and ready to talk about the sister. That made me so happy. The step-dad stepped up. I'm proud of him. I'm so glad grandma "slipped up".

[@lizgreene7921]

Where was OP 2's GO!!! Plan? Every LGBTQ+ person that is living in a dangerous environment, such as what the parents are perpetuating, must have one. Hell, I had one and my aunt is a bisexual married to a woman, whom I saw on a regular basis. Basics of a GO! Plan 1. Save money (cash and hide it) 2. Have a backpack with basic hygiene supplies and a change of clothes 3. Access to birth certificate, passport, and drivers license if applicable 4. Have a safe spot to hunker down in be it a friend's house or a facility that helps minors with this matter

[@Resilient_Sage88]

I think she might not have known about it, since she had the resources but probably didn't have a chance to look at them since the brother violated her privacy and outed her maliciously. Poor girl. I hope she can find a safer place to hunker down, or at the very least, some kind of support outside of this disgusting family that refuses to punish the cheater/privacy invader but think it's acceptable to out her even further to their Church and try to "fix" her even when there's nothing to fix and the brother is the one in the wrong 100%

[@pansprayers]

Unfortunately, 1, 3 and 4 are easier said than done. Cash is pretty easy to discover when you have super controlling parents (even hiding it with someone is a risk - people keep secrets like pasta drainers). Birth Certificates, SS Cards, passports, and DL/State ID's all require a parental signature to obtain if you're under age, and parents aren't even required to obtain the first or second in many states, and parents certainly don't have to give their minor children access to those documents. I can only think of a handful of shelters that will take in unaccompanied minor children in the US overnight, due to legal issues (and it's a really tough place to put individuals who mean well in). The system is unfortunately stacked against anyone in this situation in the US, and many, if not most other countries. Unfortunately, OP is likely going to have to do like so many of us did - grit our teeth until we're 18.

[@damien678]

I wish I was smart as a kid at all. My plan was to just kill myself. Somehow ended up getting a boyfriend I was able to escape to when I was a young adult.

[@HowToPnP]

Story 2: Well, this is a "OP is going no-contact as soon as she is 18" story!

[@mk_gamíng0609]

If she survives Depends where there from but Religious zealots can be very cruel.

[@dustyrose192]

Look up Elan. There are horrible places parents will send their children to in order to "fix them"

[@HowToPnP]

@@dustyrose192 Yeah, apparently child abuse is not child abuse if you hire someone to do it! Hitting your kid = Child abuse Having someone kidnap your kid, so they can be psychologically and mentally abused in a camp with shit that is against the Geneva Conventions = perfectly legal

[@streamerssaymyname]

5:30 when my grandma divorced her first husband they each took one child and raised them seperately without sharing custody or visitation, I only met her when my grandma died - it was pretty shocking but no one would ever talk about her when I was growing up.

[@opal5138]

being very religious is no excuse to produce a home environment where the child can't reveal a part of themself, again but louder for the people in the back BEING RELIGIOUS IS NO EXCUSE FOR BEING HOMOPHOBIC

[@ginathecookie]

Yes

[@doggolovescheese1310]

This 1000×!!

[@saratronus]

I feel like op in the 2nd story should go to the church and explain that she called her brother out on his adulterous behavior with his girlfriend and this is girlfriend and he retaliated by making falsehoods about her to the parents and they believe him because hes the male in the house I'd see how well that goes over in the church

[@pansprayers]

They likely wouldn't care. People like this generally only fellowship with like minded people. He's the oldest, male, and can do no wrong.

[@saratronus]

@@pansprayers yeah I know but there a chance they care. I feel op pain as a bi girl but my bro is a allied

[@SidereusOfTheFallen]

@@saratronus Honestly, I think she should find some BIG LIE about the brother. I'm not making suggestions but he could have had her killed or abused because she didn't bow to him. I suggest she finds a way to make him feel the same.

[@saratronus]

@@SidereusOfTheFallen that sounds very dangerous for op because The fact that her parents basically put him on a pedestal. Which is common in religious families He could literally kill someone and They'll try to cover it up but if a daughter breathes she is a thout. Honestly her best choices leaving

[@ginathecookie]

Depending on the church it wouldn't go well (either for Op or for the brother and parents). But the parents absolutely would take it out on OP

[@Dira7411]

Story 2: She needs to get tf out of that house ASAP, they are ok with a grown man cheating and going thru his sis purse??? They ALL WEIRD AF

[@JariDawnchild]

Right? A grown-ass man going through his younger sister's purse...she could easily paint him a creep if she keeps monthly products in it. I don't agree with trashing someone's life like that unless they're actually doing that shit to be creepy, but I don't know a man irl who'll willingly reach into a woman's purse even with her permission.

[@Dira7411]

@@JariDawnchild lls true they won’t even bring it to you from another dam room 😂🤣😅

[@JariDawnchild]

@@Dira7411 My friend will bring mine if I ask him, but he handles it as though there're volatile explosives in it lol.

[@Dira7411]

@@JariDawnchild exactly lmaooooo

[@milieg3309]

Dad has some nerve being shocked at his proxy falling for his mistress

[@HobieInTheBox]

The first wife is so much more forgiving than I would ever be. Towards OPs mom AND dad

[@Raigius]

OP 2 should get her brother's phone and show her parents his texts. If he's the sorta guy to cheat he's undoubtedly texting some pretty ungodly things. Give him a taste of his own medicine...

[@iris5678]

I always hate to say this in story 2 but OP needs to lay low. They need to lie. Say they've prayed about it and they're going to let God fix them and then start showing interest in people of the opposite sex. Do this until they can move out, then run far away and never speak to your parents and brother again.

[@SidereusOfTheFallen]

If the brother decides to lie they'll send OP to rehab camps without proof. If the brother want to make them close them in the basement they will. Honestly, I would just frame him for something similar at this point. Without being involved.

[@kerribottriell-baxter7345]

@@SidereusOfTheFallen I thought those camps were now illegal.

[@SidereusOfTheFallen]

@@kerribottriell-baxter7345 That doesn't stop them from existing and dare I remind you several states in the US actually ignore the federal AND state laws to do whatever the f- the local nuts want to do if everyone agrees.

[@kerribottriell-baxter7345]

@@SidereusOfTheFallen Hate to say it, I am not surprised to read that about the U.S. = I'm an Aussie and the things that happen over there mind boggle me to how on earth it's even possible. Still have dreams of seeing the States, New York in particular, it's the "whoa, wait, what?" that shakes my head. Not saying Australia is perfect, mind, we've got our own skeletons and what the's, too. I wouldn't be surprised if these sorts of camps exist here, too, in fairness. Even with our finally instated laws in recognising same sex marriage and other stuff.

[@SidereusOfTheFallen]

@@kerribottriell-baxter7345 There was a huge case for emancipation of women that I now can't recall the name of - an absolute legend of a mother discovered her drunk husband had abused their teen daughter. She had taken the abuse for years to protect her, no one would do anything, not even when he violated actual laws, it was a very small town. She killed him and chopped him on the game-chopping table, and she won the criminal court case. I think it was the 60s and much of what he did was already illegal. Edit: Also, I totally get how you feel. I'm not from the U.S. myself and I'm constantly absolutely baffled, I just happen to stumble on many news and stories from there. Of course, anecdotal stuff mostly, but enough to freak me out.

[@samikalastaja]

The lost sister story is both fascinating and sad. After listening about 100 of the Reddit stories this remains the most memorable. It's mysterious, odd, interesting and stands out from the regular cheating and divorce stories.

[@nicknitro86]

"You're a son to me" "We're not that close" Oof. I wonder if he knows that.

[@bluexwings]

The 2nd story is just heartbreaking. I hate the toxic situation OP is in. How awful that they fear not being able to go to their college of choice as an adult! Furthermore, their parents are charging their minor children rent... Wtf?! OP deserves so much better.

[@emiliosebastiao2043]

Man...I started crying towards the end of the first story...All I could think was "I wish he could share all of this with Grandma"...

[@mellodees3663]

S1: okay I know you don't date the exs of people you're close to but at least Uncle Stepdad wasn't a cheater.

[@mellodees3663]

His step dad will be a Gruncle!

[@lorifiedler13]

A suncle!

[@TriXJester]

This is what I mean when I tell people that a skeleton never stays in the closet. Secrets always have a way of being found out in the end. Last Story: Those commenters also did a disservice for OP for not informing her that she needed a Go Strategy. Every LGBT+ person who grew up in an unsafe environment should have one these prepped at all times, because it is safer to leave than to live with the people who would put them in an unsafe environment in the first place. There are organizations made by queer people for queer kids who have runaway that will make sure that kid is safe, and if youre a young person in the community you need to search out the older generations because theyve been there, and they will help you.

[@Swnsasy]

Now this is a mind fuck to say the least!! Great googly moogly! My brain is everywhere Second Story: My daughter came out as bi when she was 16, 20 now. I looked at her and said umm, I'm heterosexual 🤣She was so scared because I am spiritual but not into organized religion.. I could care less.. So I told her, you're the same child and daughter you were 2 secs before you told us... Why would I be bothered by her being who she is? That's crazy too me that parents are like that.. The parents are ridiculous to say it's ok because God made it happen.. That is the dumbest crap to say.. No, the brother was wrong period!!

[@mbyerly9680]

A fellow Reddit Brew fan!

[@Swnsasy]

@@mbyerly9680 WOOHOO!!! Enjoy your weekend my fellow Brooke Brewer!! 💖

[@dk9619]

@@mbyerly9680 Me too!

[@spiralbuddy]

The last story, I’m so sorry she’s going through this. As a mom, it saddens me to think that parents just don’t love who their kids are for who they are, and they use religion to excuse bigoted behavior. So sad, and hope she can hang in there til she can find a supportive group.

[@KittenUndercover]

I found my half brother on 23&Me. Nothing sordid - my mom never married so was artificially inseminated and became a single mother to me, my brother’s dad had a genetic illness that he didn’t want to pass on to children so his wife was also artificially inseminated. We are only 2 months apart in age and, after growing up an only child and losing my mom and most of the rest of my family very young, I now have a brother, sister in law, and nieces and nephews ❤️. They live across the country and we have not met in person yet but we will once the pandemic is over.

[@D-Dollie]

Wishing you a happy meeting with your family! What an amazing discovery!!

[@theresablack9261]

Op in the second story needs to get the f out. This is some stepford smiler nonsense. As soon as they got an escape strategy, tell the priest that the brother cheated and gtfo. Hopefully they can find a way to stay with a friend or find resources as to how to become emancipated.

[@frith.calluna]

Story 2 makes me SO MAD So OP is wrong for simply wanting to know more about her sexuality, but the brother cheating, snooping and snitching (aka outing) is completely fine by the parents? How very Christian of them... (I'm just assuming they're Christian bc OP mentioned a church specifically) I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. There really should be some sort of license for being parents. I genuinely cannot believe there are such nasty and judgemental people out there thinking they are fit to raise children. Raising them to be scared and ashamed of their identity. And then they have the audacity to call themselves Christians. Assume they are "the good kind". Keeping OP pure or some bs like that. Disgusting. Just a few more years and then you can get out of there, OP. Stay strong. Stay proud. We're here for you.

[@oldgreggsmadmemes4431]

I would call CPS to get out in the last story cuz they are definitely do damage if not stoped

[@Weirdandwonderfull19]

Still in hospital following spinal surgery. My thighs don't work very well, they've lost a lot of strength and I need a walking frame to shuffle about. HOWEVER, I'm still pushing and have gone from only walking 2 metres while being followed by a wheelchair, to walking on my frame to the bathroom and back with minimal support from the nurse. I'm also off the morphine too as it was making me feel soooo sick. So progress has been made. 😁

[@asanyr9902]

Awesome progress! There’s never any shame in using mobility aids :]

[@chs75]

I hope you heal well and quickly!

[@cheskydivision]

Call cops and tell them you feel endangered by your parents and what might happen in church

[@cheskydivision]

I ment cps but cops works too.

[@lorifiedler13]

People who work in those industries are often aligned with churches on "morality". But could it be possible for OP to say she was going to call the numbers to interview for a school paper? And then Do It! All the fuss about a resource for a school report.

[@tegantalks9612]

Story 2- god those parents suck so much! I have 3 kids and if one of them cheated I sure as hell wouldn’t be catering to them. Also if one of my kids outed anyone out of spite, I would be punishing them.

[@Digitalfairy]

Likewise.

[@scousemouse9566]

Story 2, i hope OP is safe and gets away ASAP🧇🧇🧇

[@quarterknight3572]

I'm so confused.... How'd the parents know she was lying? It's not like she's dated anyone to prove she's bi. And only her best friend knows but I'm confident the parents didn't phone her up and get her to snitch on OP?

[@JariDawnchild]

It's the culture of the household informed by their misguided view of Christianity. The brother is faultless because of his status as the oldest child, while OP is at fault for being bi even if she can lie herself out of the situation. The parents will automatically trust the older son's word over the younger daughter's. To them, it doesn't matter whether or not she was actually lying because the first stone was already cast and that's all they see. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." means nothing to them, the same with about 98.5% of their religion and its holy texts. The remaining bits they do care about are routinely removed from the cultural and historical context of the people who wrote it, as well as the context of the surrounding text. Plus, the Bible was written by several individuals and each book was it's own independent work as well; it's not contextually compatible with itself.

[@pansprayers]

Because brother said so. Even if she *hasn't* been lying, there would've been some weird, 'blah, blah, blah, leading your friend astray, blah, blah, blah'. Religious Purity Culture breeds this toxic, hot garbage in spades.

[@RockyGems]

Story 2: The brother is an adulterer, which is literally against the Ten Commandments, but go off I guess, parents.

[@AndyyWithAY]

Wow this is insane!!! From the little we have it absolutely sounds like a twin. Can't wait to hear more

[@WolframKKM]

Story 2: I would exclusively refer to brother as "Adulterer" from now on and paste scarlet A's all over his bedroom. I would memorize bible passages about condemning adultery, theft, passing judgement unto others and recite them over and over anytime parents or brother spoke to me. I would look down on them with pity in my eyes and tell them all I'll pray for them and their trespasses. If they want to be a crazy religious household, YOU bring that energy ten times harder until they get it.

[@MrSirwolf2001]

YES!!!

[@adelheidbreidvik]

Perfect to watch this snacking on homemade dumplings

[@mallorykoegel2073]

As a bi person who wouldn’t be accepted by most my family if I was outed that last story hit me personally

[@JariDawnchild]

I don't know if this'll mean much coming from a stranger, but you've got my support.

[@patpaiz5693]

Mallory dear. I personally think that if you would not be accepted by most of your family for being fully and unapologetically who you are that you are not the problem. It means your family members are very shitty people. In all of my decades on this earth I can honestly say that I have never once been harmed in any way, shape or form by what 2 consenting adults have done sexually in the privacy of their own relationship. It is none of my business and none of theirs either. I have noticed in the 10 commandments that is talks about thou shall not commit adultry, and not coveting your neighbors goods or wife, but appearently despite with far right fundimentalst christians say the "sins" of not being straight was not important enough to make the top ten. And in all the teachings of Jesus in the new testament he actually never addresses anything about the "sins" of the LBGTQ community. I think it is sick and twisted for anyone to be passing judgement on anyone elses sexuality as long as all involved are consenting adults. I know that at this point in my life I believe the who, what, how, and when of my sex life is no one business, and I would never in a million years be telling anyone that if their sexually was different than mine they are sinful and wrong. I am so sick of all of these tiny minded people who because they are repressed asshole believe they can make others do as they say.

[@CleopatraDK]

I would have gone with the "planted evidence" lie. "Oh yeah, my brother TOTALLY, simply HAPPENED to "find" evidence that would get me in trouble riiiight after we had a big fight. Yeah. Totally. mhm. Seriously, do you even believe this? He's a cheater! He's willing to lie and scheme to get what he wants and now you are falling for yet another one of his lies."

[@emilybarclay8831]

S1: people are rightfully shitting on OP’s dad but I don’t see many people shitting on OP’s mum for willingly sleeping with her husbands friend, continuing the affair knowing she was a side piece and willingly lying to her son about his sibling for years

[@jakeand9020]

Well, those parents in the second story are doing a great job, raising a sociopath. OP is in for a miserable couple years. Hopefully she makes it through so she can get the heck away from that wole ahitshow of a family and never talk to any of them again.

[@abbie_joan]

I cried like damn baby at the first story 😭😭

[@merrick1588]

When it comes to birth certificates, twins have separate ones but he could likely do a search for all certificates with his exact birthday and the same hospital. If he sees his last name more then once then he has a twin sister

[@tashacooper1753]

The first story made me think of three identical strangers where these guys were separated for an experiment

[@abm5119]

Story 1: Wow. The Parent Trap wishes it was this. Just wow. I'm happy everything is working out, and I have to admit, I wish OP's GM was alive to see all the secrets come out. Story 2: So OP's parents are the religious type that don't care about adultery I see. Let's be honest, It could have been worse. It sucks. There aren't a lot a situations where I feel it is okay to out someone, and petty revenge isn't one of them. You're Brother is the lowest form of trash, doubly so, and your parents are problematic homophobes. That sucks a lot. Stay strong OP, it gets better. As soon as you can, get out of there.

[@maurer3d]

Story 2: Wow your brother is a POS, blaming his Ex-GF, for a breakup he caused by cheating. If anything they need to stomp out your brothers cheating behavior. Story 2 (update): Wow your parents are crazy, call CPS and alert them to the abuse you are suffering.

[@Hpe68]

I have sadly seen this with lost genre but it is nice hearing it from Mark. Also this is the beginning of the plot for despicable me 3

[@johnsmith-kt7ef]

last story i cant wait till the post years from now. "I cut off my family bc they are toxic, but now they want me back in my life after they found out i am getting married and having a kid...." or something along those lines.

[@lorifiedler13]

Or - my golden child brother and parents are begging me for money to save them. I laughed and shut the door in their faces.

[@eivor5953]

Story 2: "They want me to talk to someone at church about it," is a terrifying sentence that smacks of potential conversion therapy. I know I'm a year late to the video and goodness knows how old the post is but I sincerely hope OP is safe.

[@epicXtrollface]

Assuming story 2's parents are Christian, I always wonder where they get the idea that homosexuality is a bad thing... There has only been a single instance in scripture where it's allegedly said that "a man should not lie with a man as he does with a woman," and that's in the Old Testament. It's a quote directed from the book of Leviticus. I could go on and on about all the absurd things the book forbids which for some reason are completely ignored and forgotten by the ones who are so quick to swear by it. Mixing fabrics; eating pork, horse, shellfish, rabbit, blood; going to church 1 or 2 months after giving birth- you can't even TOUCH the carcass of an unclean animal. This includes just about any pet, by the way. Most bugs, too... All forbidden. Drinking in church, even just a sip, is also forbidden. In the case of the parents, failing to testify against their son's wrongdoings is a very fitting one I'd say. True sacrilege.

[@krazycats564]

Have you read the open letter "why can't I own a Canadian?" it's very funny and touches on a lot of the things you said

[@dustyrose192]

That part: "A man should not lie with a man as he does a woman"? It was mistranslated. Its "A man should not lie with A BOY as he does with a woman." It was written during ancient Rome where older men would have relationships with much younger boys

[@DocKrazy]

To add to this the spice that had made today comment section so nice: adultery. That is what is an actually bad thing the bible says is a no-no

[@arianebolt1575]

@@dustyrose192 Bloody hope not. Another part says to execute both of them (as in a case of heterosexual adultery).

[@TheRaven_200]

My advice to OP at the end: Seek vengeance on your brother.

[@Avrysatos]

could tell that church counselor what he did.

[@TheRaven_200]

@@Avrysatos The Church counselor would probably side with the brother. 😑

[@Avrysatos]

@@TheRaven_200 nawh they're more likely to blame both of the kids for their sins.

[@katrinschirmer8018]

my advice would be, to get out of there ASAP.

[@TheRaven_200]

@@katrinschirmer8018 Yes, and then seek vengeance. A invasion of privacy like this, one out of pure vindictive spite cannot go unpunished.

[@Mewse1203]

You know...this came out alright but the "weight of the world" was put on themselves by their actions. The mother and uncle-dad didn't have to lie to him his whole life and half-dad and his wife didn't have to keep him away. Dad's wife was to blame, but so we're all the other lying adults. I mean dad cut off contact simply because the people he abandoned moved on from his having moved away. He expected them to just stay in a state of limbo. He was dumb not to expect feelings to be caught when his brother was there helping her with everything. I don't know. This has a very positive update for OP but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth for all the adults involved. Uncle-dad the least of all though he isn't blameless.

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

Ikr? It feels really weird for a bunch of adults to hide something so serious from their kid for TWENTY years. Why couldn’t they have told him sooner?

[@tamarasmith9060]

A friend of mine married a guy whose stepdad was his uncle. There was no cheating. First his mom married his dad & quickly had 2 boys. They were still toddlers when the divorce happened. Then a couple years after that, she started dating her exBIL, they got married & very soon followed a daughter. So my friend's hubby & BIL had a little sister that was also their cousin, & both actually called their uncle "dad". They occasionally saw their bio dad, but to them their stepdad was the steady dad in their life, even when that marriage eventually ended in divorce after a decade or so.

[@FriedaMMartin]

Good morning, working with my son at my home office because school was closed due to the weather. They didn’t want the school buses on icy roads.

[@bloonh8tr619]

Happy Friday Mark, just woke up and a fresh waffle is a great way to start the day. Thank you

[@ElPerverto6]

Holy shit, now THAT'S a plot twist!

[@shebakoby]

Story 2: Brother is obviously the Golden Child. Religious narcissism is a huge problem that is characterized by the hypocrisy shown by the parents here to the Golden Child brother over the Scapegoat sister. I'm not sure if one or both parents are Narcissists, but they're behaving like them. OP should have brought up that Brother committed the sin of Fornication, practically Adultery too, therefore they are hypocrites for not disapproving of what Brother did.

[@louellacharlton4425]

Tyvm Mark. WOW just wow.. do not know what to say about the last story. That poor kid. Stay safe please. PEACE

[@angierucinski5694]

Story 2: Good old Religion. Allows parents to enable cheating and underhandedness from the son, yet punishes the daughter for being who she is

[@HackiePuffs]

We don’t talk about Bruno.. OR DO WE!!!

[@cheskydivision]

In the first story I think bio dad got off way to easy. He and ops mom were cheats but bio dad feels he has a right to feel butt hurt and turn his back on his brother when brother is the one that took care of and raised the child he walked away from. Uncle/step dad is the only classy one in the bunch. Even if bio dads wife did accept op in the end she did make bio dad walk out of ops life. She was a victim too but she still kept a dad away from his child and doesn’t seem like bio dad fought against it. Uncle cleaned up bio dads mess and stepped up and as a reward his brother /bio dad acts like he has the right to feel betrayed.

[@Snipergoat1]

I think the no contact with his brother was to maintain the very low profile that everyone was keeping on this. I mean uncle stepdad even changed his last name. That is hiding things tightly.

[@justine8387]

Step Dad is the real MVP and has a true heart of love for the OP

[@madisonl3401]

Happy Friday Mark and Poppy! Hope you guys have an amazing weekend! Give our girl a big hug for us! 🤗🤗🤗

[@TheArmyOfGoats]

*sips tea furiously*

[@diamcole]

Damn lmao I was feeling so overwhelmed for the 1st OP. Mom and Dad are both messy as hell smh. I’m glad it all worked out for him and his sister!!!

[@karendaniel620]

Story 2: SMH about advice to turn it around on POS brother for violating her privacy. They're babying him because he got dumped after CHEATING. This tells me 2 things. One, he's a golden child. Two, parents most assuredly believe in purity culture and have a double standard for girls versus boys. He's not at fault for cheating. Other girl is a Jezebel, and ex shouldn't have blamed him. Males aren't responsible for their own sexual behavior.

[@pansprayers]

Pretty much I don't miss that toxic soup I managed to escape for a second. Purity culture destroys lives.

[@lorifiedler13]

Of course he golden boy. He's Male in a religious family.

[@Swirllies]

Jesus that first story- that was a rollercoaster and a half

[@fufufuaru]

wow that first story is like watching a sunday afternoon drama LOL

[@jennstewart3003]

"Hey StepdadUncle, can I borrow your truck to help a buddy move?" Lmao I honestly wouldn't let that one go. It's too funny.

[@glosaint-aime16]

I wish there was some more updates regarding the last story... i hate his brother their behalf, ugh

[@WobblesandBean]

I hope the grandmother spent her last moments wracked with guilt and hating herself for lying. I also hope she's religious and was convinced she was going to hell. How cruel can you be as a family to straight up erase an entire child? And screw the dad for abandoning his kid.

[@mcrose9067]

Lol out of everyone in that story your mad at the grandma? There are 4 other adults in that story that played much larger parts then the grandma.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@mcrose9067 but only one of them managed to escape the consequences of her actions

[@maurer3d]

Story 1: Wow, that was insane, but had a happy ending.... For any parents who are hiding the existence of half-siblings (or anything like that) from their children, stop it now. These stories usually end very badly.

[@VesnaVK]

Spoilers for Story 1 ahead. 3 questions: Didn't OP know his stepdad's last name from before he got married? In all those years, it never came up anywhere? Was there no other extended family on the paternal side? What does "punctual" have to do with anything? Why was that the trigger?

[@katraylor]

I have always wondered if we might have unknown half-siblings somewhere (our dad wasn't a particularly moral guy and apparently took lots of private vacations he told us were business trips), but my brother's had a couple of DNA tests done and no siblings have come up. He DID make contact with an unknown half-sister of our father, though, apparently conceived when our grandfather as a young baseball player had an affair with his coach's or manager's wife...

[@81babyruthluv]

This could be a Lifetime movie.

[@poetryqn]

Story 2: I am gnashing my teeth in rage, exhausted with hearing 'God" used to support crap males and condemn what I would consider the far more moral sibling. I'm not even finished with the story. Knowing I'm late to this story, I can only hope that OP has managed to reach adulthood and distance herself from this seriously skewed birth family. What they hold up as 'moral' is destructive, demeaning, and as far away from Christ-like as one can get.

[@luinloki39]

So they're super religious and they are using that as an excuse to punish you, but when they find out that your brother has 1. Had pre-marital sex, and 2. Cheated on his partner, that, somehow they're ok with? If they're religious for one person and it goes out the window for another, then they are not religious, they're just assholes. Sorry you have to live with that :(

[@katiesmith2031]

Hi Mark thanks for the video hope you and poppy are having a wonderful day much love 💙

[@TNTMAN360]

We literally added our comments at the exact same time

[@katiesmith2031]

@@TNTMAN360 🤣🤣🤣 that's funny

[@kasugaifox8571]

Census records can tell a person a lot. It's taken every 10 years.

[@MsUnamusedNerd]

Honestly the brother outing their sibling out of spite is really 💩 I mean he cheated on his girlfriend so OP was right saying he shouldn’t have done that and she’s not gonna take her brother side. The way the parents are doubting and even spoiling him when it comes to his attempts to get attention. Honestly considering he cheated on his girlfriend and expected sympathy from all ends it was surprise me that he would out his LGBT+ sibling out of spite. He honestly is a spoiled brat and the parents aren’t helping by not telling him there are consequences to his actions/he did this to himself. Regarding the update, I found it really weird how Dad was basically blaming himself… Like saying that they need to be more involved in OP‘s life so they can set a better example…..huh? Really irritating how they acted like the brother being a petty spiteful AH was an act of God….. It honestly does sound like a lost cause, OP needs to move out as soon as possible. Move out, get away from the church, get away from the parents, and absolutely do nothing with your brother. If he comes to your doorstep needing help because he got kicked out the house for some reason…..slam the door in his face.

[@WyntheRogue]

Alas with this camp of religious nutjobs [there are accepting cool Christians out there so this is aimed at overzealous loonies], a common form of bigotry aside from homophobia is full blown misogyny the son can seldom do any wrong as long as he's straight/the "ideal" man and the daughter is constantly in reminding of her place because ass backwards gender roles deem her the lesser sex. I hope OP can get out of there soon and wash her hands of this gross ass toxic family.

[@AndyyWithAY]

This is insanely common somehow. On almost all these stories the OP and step/half sibling are the same age or within a yr of each other

[@manxiefeathermoon9888]

Sorry but why would the dad be pissed about his brother dating his ex sidepiece? The dad is a hypocrite

[@JariDawnchild]

The dad only moved away, I think, because his wife wanted it. Mind you, while the sidepiece was alright with being a sidepiece, the wife wasn't happy her husband had basically cheated. There are occasional situations where two people agree to share a partner while keeping separate lives, but the wife's reaction upon discovering the sidepiece shows no such agreement was reached.

[@lorifiedler13]

Especially after 10 years and marrying a few years later.

[@Zeracheil]

Birth certificates won't say is you were a multiple or not. I don't know why people were telling him to check that first.

[@justine8387]

In Australia ours have all the names of siblings from the same parents

[@incineroar9933]

I felt real bad for the stepdad. He raised his son, and he's been delegated to 'uncle'.

[@grungekitty77]

I think OP meant that as biologically his uncle. Cause he is.

[@xerohour9071]

I'm not crying! You're crying!

[@artemishallihan8973]

I remember that heatwave .... I know other places are naturally warmer than that all year round but we were so under-equipped to manage. Pretty sure the pacific northwest hadn't been that hot since rocks were soft.

[@mgaus]

PNW here. That summer hit 115°F (46.1°C) where I live, and it was rough

[@stirlingarcher7972]

Wow, I read the first one a while back but didn’t see that final update.

[@warriorcatskid003]

My heart absolutely breaks for the second OP. I’ve been there. My parents took it better than that I’m that they pretend it never happened now and they didn’t tell anyone about it, but I’ve been there and it hurts so bad. I can’t imagine how I would feel if one of my siblings had outed me. I wish I could hug them and talk to them about it.

[@puli_dreadhead]

They really enable sneaky and shitty behavior from their son . . . Op is still a dependent but as soon as they’re not restrict any milestone that is connected to them. College accomplishments Job accomplishments Wedding/engagement announcements Any potential baby announcements They don’t deserve access to anything if they treat you like that.

[@Snipergoat1]

Those are all a few years off. No need to start plotting passive aggressive revenge quite yet. A lot of things can happen in 5-10 years.

[@videofan1010]

Wow damn. I'm always interested in hearing the experiences of the children of affair partners.

[@carlrood4457]

Wow, a Reddit story where people actually let go of most of their resentments, don't see a "long lost" child as intrusive and the family that raised him not cut off.

[@niktropolis2104]

Loving all these spicy stories lately, Mark!

[@jumpmain]

1. So... The bio dad had a wife cheated on her, left them both pregnant, abandoned his child, separated OP and his sister, then disappeared, then made his brother take his responsibility in the shadows, and got upset when the brother took part in the family while raising his son, and then waited until OP contacted him and made him flight to their house, and proceed to blame everyone else and be mad because people moved on. F*CK I'm mad at this man, and I wouldn't forgive him if was OP.