Overprotective parents don’t abandon their kids, controlling parents do.
@minagica2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@επιθετικόακτινιδιο Жыл бұрын
They are racist pigs. There was something off with the excuse they made about husband being a former boss. If they thought that he would manipulate OP, then their ghosting doesn't make any sense. Shouldn't be there to support OP? Thank God OP won't let these toxic wastes near her children. The audacity to still want a relationship with OP s children
@katiegeorgeripia6 ай бұрын
You hit the nail on the head 👍
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
The parents weren't trying to reconnect with the OP, or accept her marriage. They never SAID they wanted to do THAT. They just want grandkids, so they can pretend that the deceased sister is still alive. Big nope.
@DragonicGamer322 жыл бұрын
The fact they never mentioned OP. They said "Their Daughter" In the Zoom call as if OP didn't even exist there. The dad snapped royally and the mother realized that any chances they had were GONE. I wouldn't let those kids anywhere near those "Grandparents" when they couldn't even respect the one they have still alive. That's a "You're dead to me" Moment if there ever was one.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
@@DragonicGamer32 the slip was just the icing on the cake with them. The fact they never mentioned wanting to repair the relationship between OP and her husband would have been where it stopped and ended for me. It wouldn't have gotten any further, much less to a Zoom call in my world. They were at least (mostly) intellectually and emotionally honest on that point, I guess. The issue is that they appear to know the harp strings to pluck with OP to get a foot in the door, while still being able to give her a lesson on parsing sentences, and that makes me really sad for OP. It shows a patent history of them transparently showing her that she's only as good as they perceive her deceased sister would be, and if she doesn't follow their idea of the mapped out plan they invision, then she's disposable, until (at least in their minds) they can then replace both of their daughters with HER daughters. I lived this reality, unfortunately, until I said enough. They had this grand, romantic drama in their heads on loop where, despite all odds, and the loss of a child, they got a second chance with ANOTHER daughter (depending on how deep the delusion goes, possibly identified her as the SAME daughter, rather than just a replacement) who was a total daddy's girl, went to school for a sensible degree, married her High School sweetheart that they (of course!) just adore, and he adores him, that she then becomes a mother of her 3.5 kids (that naturally validate the grandparents every flitting thought) and family pet she stays at home - located two houses down - so she can nurse them in their old age, and they all live happily ever after. The hang up with that is that life isn't a Lifetime Movie, and children aren't pawns. Grief is a h*ll of a mind f!ck, and this is what happens when it's not properly addressed.
@Revan_Onasi2 жыл бұрын
@@pansprayers grieving mother here. Grief does terrible things with your mind, yeah. It's unbelievably painful to accept that your child is dead. I felt like my soul was shred in pieces when I realized that it's nothing that I can do to keep my sweet baby boy alive. And even if I'll have another son in the future (I can't try again yet due to the recent surgery) he would not be my firstborn. Even if he would look the same and I'll name him with the same name. For now I'm trying to concentrate on my "inner child" (innocent part of myself which is deeply hurt by the loss) to comfort myself and take the proper care of myself. I can't use my next child as a doll to satisfy my dreams. But I can use my inner child. She is the only child that can be what I want her to be. It really helped, that my friend is "replacement child" and I know what child like that feels. I don't want my next child to suffer like that because I want my baby boy back! And OP's parents didn't want to work on their grief. It's easier to burden their living daughter with unrealistic expectations and pretend that the other one is still alive. And racism is NOT okay. Even if someone is really bad person. My ex isn't from another race, but he is from minor nationality in my country and I never used Nazi slurs on him - even when I realized he tricked me into marrying him and lied all this time. It's his personality that is ugly, nationality isn't part of this. I think that for OP going NC with parents is an only way.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
@@Revan_Onasi I was both a replacement child (situation similar to OP's with the only exceptions being that my husband's white, and I had to cut ties with them), and have lost children, so I understand what you mean. I took a page on what NOT to do from my biological family when it came to conducting myself as an adult. Both situations left scars that I can't begin to describe, but only one can I do anything about. It's a terrible thing to have to go through, but at the end of the day, they only hurt themselves by refusing to actually address it.
@pippo171732 жыл бұрын
The racist angle now makes it worst hearing this. I hope the sister is a good person despite the golden child grooming because holy shit that was so cruel.
@Russman672 жыл бұрын
Story 2: The notion that the guy gorges on enough junk food to throw up, wreck the furniture and attract pests is scary. It's disordered eating and fasting as he sees it isn't going to help him.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
If he doesn't either choke to death while filming or get pneumonia from food particulates getting sucked into his lungs, he's going to die from the chronic internal damage he's doing or the diseases that the roaches (soon to be rats) carry. She needs to get out before they're either evicted or condemned, because he's abusing her by proxy with his addiction.
@mariabarker20362 жыл бұрын
I'm a fasting advocate... but not for this person. Fasting can, and does, help. But it doesn't help the people here.
@ilbercgross47362 жыл бұрын
OP needs to back up all of husbands videos. They will help in the divorce.
@Russman672 жыл бұрын
@@mariabarker2036 I normally advocate for fasting as well, but this is a problem that fasting doesn't solve. It's
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
@@ilbercgross4736 KZbin happily provides archives with a court order. The Internet is forever.
@BlankBrain2 жыл бұрын
Story 2: The wife could start her own KZbin channel featuring videos of her husband suffering after eating too much. She could get even more bizarre followers than him! Use the revenue to pay for the divorce.
@TeacupHeart2 жыл бұрын
Also videos of the mess and pests.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
That's gonna backfire and he'll likely double down and see it as validation, if the landlord/city sees the destruction, then she could end up homeless. Sometimes (often) petty isn't worth it in lieu of self preservation.
@stephanien6237 Жыл бұрын
Why would a decent loving person like the wife ever intentionally wallow in (much less profit from) someone’s suffering?
@golden_leader92272 жыл бұрын
You don't spit out racial slurs if you're not racist. You just DON'T. Good riddance.
@Icalasari2 жыл бұрын
Like cripes, if I did that I'd probably pause out of shock, call my psych, and go, "Something is seriously wrong with me" It is not normal at all to use racial slurs unless you are SERIOUSLY ignorant on them, and based on the mother's reaction, they sure as hell were not ignorant
@golden_leader92272 жыл бұрын
@@Icalasari Exactly! They are the epitome of racism. I despise people like that.
@somedragonbastard2 жыл бұрын
I have somehow in all my years of living managed to never say a racial slur! It is possible!
@itsjustme74872 жыл бұрын
@@somedragonbastard I wish I could say that. You must have had better parents than I did. I did use the N word before I started school in 1954. Since then, I havent.
@OZARKMOON19602 жыл бұрын
#1 - OP and her spouse were wise to keep the kids far away from this first zoom meeting because the second things got heated, good old dad showed his true colors. Now she knows for sure; keep far away from those people and never let them around the kids!
@ArmageddonAngel2 жыл бұрын
I remember story one. You think "wow, they're hung up on her sister" then it's all just pure racism.
@kyraevermoon55442 жыл бұрын
Honestly? It's probably a bit of both. A lot of both.
@brigidtheirish2 жыл бұрын
@@kyraevermoon5544 It's *definitely* a lot of both. They didn't even talk directly to OP in regards to walking "his daughter" down the aisle. They *named her* after the *dead sister.* I mean, *wow.* My niece is named after my parent's youngest, who was stillborn, but that was my *sister's* decision with my brother-in-law's blessing. They didn't even *tell* my parents until *after* they made that choice, at which point Dad started crying. Mom didn't, being much more stoic, but I could tell she was touched.
@martinrusev35022 жыл бұрын
S1: Yep, as soon as I saw "My husband is not white but I am", I already understand where this is going. So sad the kids won't know their grandparents. Oh, well. C'est la vie. S2: Yep, divorce is an only option here. Let him go to an early grave alone.
@carolroberts46142 жыл бұрын
He's digging it with his teeth!
@fatimakhatun57882 жыл бұрын
Best to not know people who half hate you
@JordanDragonAs2 жыл бұрын
@Yomas Riprud what flaws
@JordanDragonAs2 жыл бұрын
@Yomas Riprud are you dumb she mentioned it because she felt it might be important are you blaming op for giving information about the situation? LIKE REALLY?
@MmmKayHuuNay2 жыл бұрын
I knew for the first story too, something tells me the hubby and his fam did but she was in extreme denial because she maybe was a golden child before this.
@Russman672 жыл бұрын
You could tell in there was an unsaid issue with the parents up until the "in not going to take that from a *insert racist slur here*!" Yep, there's the hidden red flag! Glad they side stepped that set of trauma for the kid's sake.
@MoriKitsune2 жыл бұрын
@Yomas Riprud That WAS their chance. As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." They fooled OP once by letting her believe their abandonment was because her husband had been her boss. OP is smart to not let them try and fool her again with their FIRST WORDS to her husband in FIVE YEARS being a seemingly detailed racial slur, and smarter to keep them FAR away from her children.
@MoriKitsune2 жыл бұрын
@Yomas Riprud You forget that the *parents* are the ones that *abandoned* their own daughter to a man they barely knew. If they really cared about her like you're trying to say then they would've at least checked on her to make sure she was okay even if they hated her husband for "taking their daughter away." They're not difficult; they're controlling. Their grief is not their living daughter's problem. The correct answer for that grief was therapy, not a replacement baby who was set up to fail from the start. It is not fair to the daughter to have the weight of two lives' worth of expectations, and it was right of her husband to defend her as her own individual human self in the face of her parents blatantly using her as a substitute for her dead sister. Also, OP, who knows her parents best, *did* avoid unnecessary confrontation by not giving her parents a chance to start a fight about her relationship until just before the wedding. Notice they didn't ask for the parents' permission or even approval; they just wanted the parents to show their daughter love by being there. But they could barely even do that. No, it's very clear what happened here, and OP did the right thing on all fronts.
@Icalasari2 жыл бұрын
"Lets watch another old vi-FRESH ONE!"
@nev53882 жыл бұрын
What’s up with that? I keep coming onto KZbin because when listening to the podcast version, I find so many repeated stories! ;(
@alaa.mp32 жыл бұрын
@@nev5388 thats because the podcast is the audio-only version of these videos.
@JordanDragonAs2 жыл бұрын
Not many new stories
@rosemarie18172 жыл бұрын
So nice listening new ones!
@Icalasari2 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for the OP in the second story. Divorce may be the only thing - She can't put herself watching her husband eat himself to an early grave =/
@carolroberts46142 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think so too!
@jaredhardman33782 жыл бұрын
This is serious addictive or obsessive behavior. People often don't leave addictions until they hit rock bottom. He hasn't done that yet.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
@@jaredhardman3378 unfortunately, ED's and addiction are categorised as the most lethal mental health illnesses out there, and often co-mingle. 'Rock bottom' with both is far too often death.
@WobblesandBean2 жыл бұрын
And he's an utter conkwocket. He won't change and doesn't even care about her. He's not worth fighting for, OP should let him wallow in his filth like the animal he is.
@SilveryBlue10102 жыл бұрын
She might be heartbroken at first for walk away from him, but she will find herself much happier later, I believe..
@GTAGodfather4202 жыл бұрын
OPs husband in the second story is slowly turning into Nickacado Avacado, so she should run.
@strangelic42342 жыл бұрын
The little spark of hope I had for the progress of mankind died when I found out that Avacado has an Onlyfans where he monetizes his kingsize butt, so ... I don't know what point I wanted to make. I guess I just wanted to share my misery. But maybe she can tell her boyfriend that if he's really into mukbang, that's the path he has to follow.
@raineyartwork2 жыл бұрын
She does need to run, I love watching the Korean Mukbang community but damn, the Mukbang community as a whole is terrible to your mental health and relationships with food.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
@@raineyartwork I live in Far Asia, and have been to S Korea many times. I can tell you with absolute conviction that this behaviour is viewed as disgusting there, and is used for propaganda North of the DMZ to encourage N Koreans to stay in their miserable existance. I'm begging you from a humanitarian, waste, and the standpoint of someone who's worked with people with complex ED's to not give these 'creators' the attention, because it normalizes binge eating, and leads to people who have issues with disordered eating refusing treatment, and dying, leaving a wake of grief and pain in their wake.
@raineyartwork2 жыл бұрын
@@pansprayers Oh definitely I can see that wholeheartedly, and I remember watching a documentary on Mukbangs and what makes them so popular. How it changes a person and the negative effects from them.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
@@raineyartwork yeah, it's both sad and infuriating for me. I spent a large portion of my professional life helping people start to recover from ED's that often came with other co-morbid mental health disorders. It's a life long task, like any chronic addiction. Un/fortunately it was a bit easier to help people get through the rough patches before YT, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter started adding an additional dopamine rush to the situation. Dopamine is dopamine, and serotonin is serotonin - unfortunately the body isn't great at identification of the source. Someone who is already struggling is just going to chase that rush. In this case, it's going to likely cost the husband EVERYTHING, including his life.
@VidGirl882 жыл бұрын
Story 1: Keep those racists AWAY from those babies Story 2: Cut and run. You can't help someone who blatantly refuses it and then gets mean to you for even trying. Let his family know, then serve the divorce papers and get therapy for yourself.
@AndyyWithAY2 жыл бұрын
I was feeling some sympathy for the parents. It would be a tough spot to be in to feel like your child was taken advantage of, even if it's not true. But, racial slurs just out of the blue? I've never accidentally uttered a racial slur. I'm not a a racist and those words are not in my vocabulary. That doesn't just happen.
@Kyubinooni2 жыл бұрын
I used it one time when I was 8 and honestly it's haunts me how deeply I hurt the person I used it against. He didn't deserve it and I regret ever saying the word. It'd ugly and hateful and with hindsight as an adult. No amount of apologizing could ever really fix it either.
@Icalasari2 жыл бұрын
Very least if it does slip out the person's immediate response should be, "Oh god why did I say that? Oh god what is wrong with me!?" along with deep shame IE Start to seriously wonder if you may be racist
@ttrev0072 жыл бұрын
you don't cut off a family member that is being taken advantage of if you care about them. You keep a life line open so that they can escape when they figure out that is a trap. it was clear that they did not think it was abusive
@MistressSuki922 жыл бұрын
You can't accidentally say a word that's not already in your vocabulary. So the dad had already used the slur enough to where his brain/mouth were ready to spit it out without him thinking. I've never used slurs and there's no way in hell I'd be able to 'accidentally' say one either.
@sarahl882 жыл бұрын
The fact he said he should still be allowed to see the grandchildren because he wouldn’t use the slur to or in front of them shows that he had complete control as well, he is saying there is no risk he would accidentally lose control of his language in front of the kids so that’s saying he intentionally did with her husband.
@autumn5572 жыл бұрын
Me and my friend just had a situation yesterday that was “of someone doesn’t want help you can’t help”. Her coworkers boyfriend is abusing e and my friend simply said “I have an available room to rent in my house, we can carpool to work, he CANNOT know the address and I’ll just leave that information with you” and never brought it up again. Because if she nagged about how crappy the boyfriend is, and leave him leave him repeatedly then she might dig her heals in or feel like no one wants to really support her. She had to decide for herself. So far she said she’ll move in this Sunday so… we’ll see.
@MaryTheresa19862 жыл бұрын
Keep us posted about what happens!
@OriginalAsherella2 жыл бұрын
Let us know how it goes. I hope she gets out.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, it has to happen organically. If, in fact she DOES move in, please be very, very cautious. He's going to pester her for the address, and she very well might give in - keep a list of shelters for her to move to immediately should this happen. Loneliness, fear, and heartache are huge motivators. As a word of advice, only give out her status moving forward to the people who absolutely need to know (landlord, police, employer), and have her get a PO Box if possible. The most dangerous time for a victim of DV is when they leave, and anyone else who helps them gets added to that list. This comes from someone with both personal and professional experience on this, who had to literally move halfway around the world to finally have peace. Good luck.
@WobblesandBean2 жыл бұрын
OP 2: Of course he refuses to go to therapy, let alone see why what he's doing is so disgusting. LADIES, DUMP ANY MAN WHO DOES THIS. He's not worth it. I'm so, so tired of going to therapy because of men who won't.
@Undomaranel2 жыл бұрын
Problem: _husband._ They're married, said vows, etc. You don't walk away from someone you pledged yourself to just because they need help and won't get it. You support them by being a positive example and available for when they finally break enough and know you're there for them. And no, you can't judge a person based on one bad obsession. He could be perfectly normal and wonderful and this is his addiction phase that everyone goes through at some point. Telling others that any man who has an eating disorder, a pre-midlife crisis, or just needs help isn't worth it??? That tells me a lot about you. If you truly love who you're with, as you should with a spouse, you won't up and run just because they have an issue. Most men are grappling with so many things with the idea of therapy and the badgering and nagging of someone they chose to love and confide in makes it worse! Stop being part of the problem and start choosing love again over treating men like trash.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
@@Undomaranel *PROBLEM* - 'in sickness and in health' was added to wedding vows during a time when it was still socially acceptable for women to be dumped at the local convent if they couldn't produce a male heir (and later in a sanatorium on a whim because the husband could do as he wished). It's now a mysogonistic monstrosity that was written by Thomas Cranmer in hope that Christian couples would love each other as, 'Christ lived the Church' - pretty sure that he stopped fulfilling his end of the vows a long time ago on that aspect. Here, in 2022, we understand that life is far more nuanced than some static concept of 'stay until the addiction kills one or both of you'. And this is abuse, even IF it's a form of peripheral abuse. It's considered unethical to advise someone to stay in a relationship that is posing a financial, health, and/or physical threat to the partner, and this checks all three boxes. So let's get out of religious fantasy land here, shall we? If this were alcoholism, substance/s*xual/physical ab!se, or a litany of other issues, then one would hope you'd see it for what it was, and tell her to leave - NOT buy him more booze drugs, or allow him to pummel her every single night. The other logical fallacy you're engaged in (apart from just assuming that they had said vows in the first place, because news flash, a large chunk of the population doesn't) is assuming that this was a transparent, even handed agreement, and it isn't. He's literally driving them into a financial hole here, and a has turned the shared living space into a health hazard. Cockroaches and flies carry disease, and are usually followed in short order by rats and mice that also carry disease. Should the landlord get wind of this (or the city if they own the home) they absolutely will be thrown out due to either eviction or the place being condemned. The bottom line is that he's using his addiction to ab!se both himself, and his wife - and sees no issue with imparting this cycle on potential children. That's not acceptable, and the fact that you think you can use an outmoded religious concept to condone it is really disgusting.
@cynniminnii2 жыл бұрын
@@Undomaranel **"You support them by being a positive example"** She has been a positive example by communicating how she felt, proposing ways they could help solve the problem together, and has attempted to help him stop multiple times. **"and available for when they finally break enough"** You realize some people die when they 'finally break enough,' right? **"And no, you can't judge a person based on one bad obsession."** Yes you can. What about drug addictions? What about sex addictions? This isn't an obsession with Gundam toys. Nobody can help him if he doesn't want it. Nobody has to risk their own health, safety, and sanity beyond what is reasonable, and this is not reasonable. **"He could be perfectly normal and wonderful and this is his addiction phase that everyone goes through at some point."** No, thinking that all people go through such a harmful addiction phase at some point is ridiculous. And you can't be 'normal and wonderful' while actively developing an eating disorder and putting his wife and future children in danger, lmao. C'mon. **"Telling others that any man who has an eating disorder, a pre-midlife crisis, or just needs help isn't worth it??? That tells me a lot about you."** Tells me a lot about the husband too, since that's exactly the message he's sending his wife. **"If you truly love who you're with, as you should with a spouse, you won't up and run just because they have an issue."** You can love someone and still leave because leaving may be the best decision for them both. She has already exhausted all avenues to help him, if a divorce does not wake him up then nothing will and he will simply die early. **"Most men are grappling with so many things with the idea of therapy and the badgering and nagging of someone they chose to love and confide in makes it worse!"** Okay, so what's the alternative... Supporting his binge eating? Standing quietly on the sidelines as it progressively gets worse? **"Stop being part of the problem and start choosing love again over treating men like trash."** And choosing love here means..? Divorcing because she doesn't want him to eat himself to death doesn't mean she's treating him like trash. Who's treating who like trash? Please widen your perspective and get help.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
@@cynniminnii not to mention that 'when they break enough' with eating disorders and addiction (and this is both) is often DEATH, after the financial ruin of themselves and everyone around them. Contrary to what the commenter up there thinks, this has ZERO to do with gender, and everything to do with ab*se, full stop. And you can't set a 'positive example'', or back pat this into recovery.
@mayallyourbaconburn2 жыл бұрын
@@Undomaranel So… you want OP to set herself on fire to carter to a man who doesn’t love and respect her enough even listen to her concerns? You would rather her live in an abusive situation and stay quiet and positive while her husband runs their lives into the ground. You say she doesn’t love him enough to keep her marriage vowels, but you give the husband a pass when he blatantly ignores and disrespects his wife. Marriage is a two way street. And he is failing on his side. No one should subject themselves to mistreatment for someone else’s poor decisions. Especially when the offending party refuses to stop their mistreatment. If you try to save a drowning person who wants to drown, you will inevitably be dragged under and will be drowned too.
@thatwitchychick27172 жыл бұрын
Story 2: It seems like he definitely developed binge eating disorder at some point. I have it too. I used to do things like this when I was first getting into disordered eating. I would stuff myself until I couldn't even sleep because I was so uncomfortable. It didn't help that I was able to get away with it for a long time because I started when I was a teenager and my metabolism was crazy. It didn't catch up to me for a really long time weight wise, but I developed a lot of other issue before that. Gut issues and horrible Acid Reflux. It's not worth it. I finally had to start a medication for it to get it under control. I feel so much better now that I physically get the signals from my body to stop eating before I turn into a bloated mess. Haha. It can be caused by so many things, even small things like a change in jobs or even having to stay in all the time because of the pandemic. Keep an eye on your daily habits.
@carolroberts46142 жыл бұрын
Acid reflux is horrible! I get a lot of that due to a couple of medical issues! If he gets a hiatus hernia, if he's too overweight, he wouldn't be able to have an operation. He could choke or have a heart attack.So many things. I'm not surprised Op is stressed.But he doesn't care, so she has to learn not to.
@Mewse12032 жыл бұрын
Story 2: he's getting something from this that he never felt before and it has taken over everything. Eating disorders are about control and he finally feels in control of something and the attention doesn't hurt either. OP needs to stop waiting for him and just bounce.
@kmechwarrior16842 жыл бұрын
Does he not realize his "viewers" are actually laughing at how stupid he is?
@MizTameRumors2 жыл бұрын
First story - Dad using racial slurs doesn't mean he's racist....Yeah it does. But at least he had the decency ( use that term very lightly ) to show his true colors before OP exposed her mixed race children to them.
@HelenWA2 жыл бұрын
Not decency, just accidental moment of honesty. He certainly would be calling the kids that in no time
@digitalharmony262 жыл бұрын
It always blows my mind when racist people don’t want anything to do with their child for marrying a person of a different race but jumps to wanting to meet the kids, who will be mixed race. Why is that okay but your child’s love for their partner isn’t?
@restinwalken2 жыл бұрын
Because the kids could maybe 'pass' for full *race that racist Gparents are. 2. Gparents can look passed 'unpassing & passing' mixed race Gkids. Because they are bio dna related to Gparents. An if they get to the Gkids now they can make sure the mixed grandkids find the *gag 'right' race partners. When the kids grow up. To fix their race betraying mom or dad. So basically they want the perk of being Grandparents and the accuracy that they can make sure these Gkids are raised 'right'. Since they messed up with the first.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
There's some really screwed up ideologies in those circles, TBH. They likely are using OP being white in their head in the same way some religions claim the beliefs carry down on the maternal side.
@silverfox14922 жыл бұрын
In this specific OPs case it may also be the grandparents hoping to try to once again have a chance at a do-over child trying to replace the dead daughter. Since op didn't follow their dream/plan for dead daughter's life they may have seen the kids as another chance at their sick twisted fantasy
@smirglepapier5312 жыл бұрын
Could be a twisted case of 'the kids can't help it'. They perceive their own kin as being burdened with the 'curse' of being [insert some minority here] while the husband, just 'some random stranger' has the audacity of being a minority while also being together with their daughter.
@brianaschmidt9102 жыл бұрын
@@smirglepapier531 to piggyback here. I feel like they would cut the daughter off because she "chose" the "dirty slur" the kids are just unfortunately "cursed" with being mixed race.
@justaperson4656 Жыл бұрын
I remember reading the story before it was deleted! OPs comments were along the lines of they were named after an older sister who died rather young in a car accident iirc. They started using OP as a replacement child, going to OPs graduation and comparing her to dead sister who never got one, etc. The reason they ghosted op was because marrying her boss didn't fit into their plan for older sister, and therefore their plan for op
@Kattawhat Жыл бұрын
The trash outed itself in story 1. Good riddance to OP's parents
@SkyEcho7512 жыл бұрын
Story 1: Good on OP at least trying to talk to them, however now that they are revealed to be racist OP won't have this nagging piece of her mind saying that she shouldn't cut contact. Story 2: Fun fact, saliva can be addicting, this is why eating addictions can occur.(There are other reasons) He has most definitely contracted some kind of eating disorder, as there are only a few people of normal weight that can eat like that, and they are athletes that burn a LOT of calories. He is also showing a purely selfish desire by intentionally showing off that he gives no F's about their relationship.
@SidereusOfTheFallen2 жыл бұрын
There are some thyroid dysfunctions that allow people to eat a lot and stay skinny. It happens in some 20% of all thyroid dysfunctions. 20 to 30% is people getting fat on healthy diets and having issues shedding weight and having muscle pain even under medication. The rest is fluctuating or lighter in symptoms.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
Literally anything can be addictive if you've got the predisposition to it, unfortunately. Hopefully she does see this for what it is, and saves herself. Just like you don't buy vodka for an alcoholic, she shouldn't be expected to cater to this behaviour either.
@tiryaclearsong4212 жыл бұрын
It's not even healthy for athletes. They need more calories but it's considered healthier to eat them at a reasonable speed at least somewhat spaced out.
@SIXPACFISH2 жыл бұрын
Story 1. OP should have waited 5 years to respond, exactly like her parents did to contact her. You should treat people the way you want to be treated. But if they treat you badly, you should treat them the same way they treat you. OP should make all photos of the kids private on all soc media.
@samid.40962 жыл бұрын
i love Chubbyemu so hearing him get mentioned just made me the tiniest bit happier lol
@alezot61412 жыл бұрын
Calling the husand a racial slur is not indicative of a racist attitude? It's clear that they don't care about her daughter all that much, but they also think that she's an idiot.
@anonx27472 жыл бұрын
Then why use racist language?
@itsjustmaddisen2 жыл бұрын
Story 1: the parents have proven that their love is conditional so why on earth would you think that’s ever okay around your kids. They’re unpredictable and racist.
@dodgyyoutuber9560 Жыл бұрын
Why do these awful parents always want grandkids so bad?
@naraiceylob2 жыл бұрын
Story one reminds me about how I always think people should accept people reaching out to get in contact. The closure can feel so good.
@buildtherobots2 жыл бұрын
ChubbyEmu is great. The first of his videos I saw was about a kid who ate a bunch of exlaxx brownies and messed up his kidneys. He does a good job of explaining why whatever happened is hurting the person.
@mbyerly96802 жыл бұрын
I hope the OP in the last story gets out before the husband's body self-destructs, and she's left to deal with taking care of this man baby.
@MizTameRumors2 жыл бұрын
2ns story, OP just has to leave....She can stay with him and watch him killing himself, or she can just go. Go now before you accidentally bring a child into this mess.
@diy_nailsby_heidi_r38892 жыл бұрын
I know one family where they had to go through hell when their youngest, their only daughter, was diagnosed with a rare spinal sarcoma at 16 mos of age. Surgeries, radiation, chemo - over and over. Finally, just days after her seventh birthday, she passed away. About 18mos after the little girl's passing, her mother suddenly announced she was expecting - and it was a girl! Momma was in her late thirties by this point, so she had to behave very cautiously throughout the pregnancy. None of us (family/friends/co-workers) were prepared, however, for seeing in the birth announcement that they named their baby the exact same name (only with the middle and first names being switched) as her late elder sister; ie: for instance "Aimee Nicole" became "Nicole Aimee". That wasn't even the worst part. They, literally, dressed her exactly as their late daughter had. Same toys (not the first daughter's, but newly bought/made), same bedroom decor, etc. They also removed and put away any photos or other items that were either directly or indirectly tied to the little girl they'd lost. BUT - they attempted to recreate things like photos or Christmas cards, etc. Momma came unglued one day, when "NA" found an apparent "favorite doll" of "AN's" in the back of her closet, took it out and began to play with it - like any three-year old would. Momma just fell apart when she walked into "NA's" room and saw her playing with the doll. I was told by her oldest son (same age as my eldest son, 22yrs old) she started screaming at "Nicole", accusing her that she'd "stolen" the doll, how dare she play with someone else's toys and how "Aimee" would never have thought of doing something so awful! Fortunately, her son was home and intervened before Momma went any further. She wound up at inpatient psychiatric care for a couple of months, followed by individual and family counseling. They also sold their house and moved to a different state.
@AndyyWithAY2 жыл бұрын
I personally find muhkbangs insanely disgusting. I don't see the appeal. There's no way I could live with someone who did that on a regular basis. In addition to bugs in the house.
@Icalasari2 жыл бұрын
I hope the family of somebody who dies to one of these sues KZbin and wins so hard that KZbin goes on a purge over muhkbangs
@moimeself10882 жыл бұрын
What are muhkbangs?
@paden1865able2 жыл бұрын
@@moimeself1088 That's what I'm wondering, too.
@carolroberts46142 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@grimkitty32982 жыл бұрын
@@moimeself1088 people overeating’s massive amount of food on camera, some do commentary or others make fools of them selves, that’s all I know because I don’t watch such gross channels.
@jodyknapp5374 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I’d film the aftermath of the over-eating. The sickness, the mess, the bugs, roaches. I’d show them the video and say do you want me to post this? Is this worth it. If he only can see thing though that lens, maybe seeing a stark reaction of disgust from the public would help open his eyes. I feel so bad for OP because he did not care at all about her opinion. So heartbreaking for her.
@karab76262 жыл бұрын
Woot!!! One more Mark Video to get me through the end of my day! I hope everyone is doing well 😁!
@MmmKayHuuNay2 жыл бұрын
If OP would've mentioned race earlier EVERYONE WOULD'VE TOLD HER, SHE KNEW!
@alicewilloughby43182 жыл бұрын
Story 2 - This guy sounds like he has the maturity of a young teen. And that's an insult to some young teens I've known!
@owl70722 жыл бұрын
Story 1: "Calling him a racial slur wasn't indicative of a racist attitude" no I think it is. You don't just "accidentally" call someone a slur unless it's something you think/say often and considering he said it pretty much the moment things got heated I'd say that he absolutely has a racist attitude.
@enjolireyes6432 жыл бұрын
Second OP, you cannot force someone to care for you and you can’t force change. Sometimes the best fight is to not fight at all! That’s the life he wants to live and the path he chooses to walk. Know you’ve stated your peace and now it’s time to go on and look after yourself as it is OBVISIOUS he won’t!
@minagica2 жыл бұрын
Poor OP from the second story, husband needs serious therapy
@Barbara349Stead2 жыл бұрын
I have 3 grown up children and would never tell them what to do or try to control them. It’s their lives and up to them how to live their lives. I have never judged them either
@Alteusgirl2 жыл бұрын
the highlight of my night is when Mark posts a video :D
@Silence-11702 жыл бұрын
Have a good day my dad just got back from checking on my grandpa. So all is well right now. Wishing you all the best.
@carolroberts46142 жыл бұрын
You too, and to Grandpa!
@TheHellsHobbit2 жыл бұрын
#2 Op husband needs therapy now, or Op may need to leave.
@rylashadow182 жыл бұрын
S1) For whatever reason they cut contact until they knew about the grandbabies. I'd make it clear that they won't be seeing my children unless they can explain themselves like reasonable adults. Let them know they have to repair the damage they've done with their relationship with you before even thinking of seeing your kids. Let them know they most assuringly won't be around your children alone or not supervised. Yeah that update just shows how toxic they are and will be towards your children. They can stay out of your life. S2) When he started putting himself over healthy options, caring for others and his future he abandoned the relationship. It's one thing to put yourself in healthy, healing and honest ways but to just toss everything out for something that could kill you without a care? Yeah that's the prefect time to leave a person like that to their own devices.
@OriginalAsherella2 жыл бұрын
Mark wouldn’t be talking about Nickacado avocado would he? Lol
@chaoticanimations66712 жыл бұрын
Hey mark hope you're having a good day I just got off work so this is perfect timing X3
@patpaiz56932 жыл бұрын
first Story. OP, glad you got to see your parents for who and what they were and glad your decision is to go NC and keep your husband and kids far away from these toxic people. Just because someone is your parent it sure does not mean they love and respect you and it does not mean you have to take crap off of them. Good luck with your life Second Story. OP, you cannot fix this. Your husband is making a decision that is harmful to him and you and you must get away from him and this screwed up stuff he is doing. It took years for me to learn that no matter how much you love someone you cannot love them to health. You are not being listened to or respected. He is trashing you home and effecting your work. And he seems to be doing this for the amusment and entertainment of total strangers who should mean nothing to him. He is making his choice that he can spend vast amounts of money on food that is being wasted and ruining his health, he can vomit and trash you furniture and home, he can engage in an activity that is making it hard for you to work, and he can totally ignore your concerns. You are not being treated with respect and you deserve much, much better. What he is doing actually sounds like an addiction like acholisim, or drug addiction, or gambling and you cannot make him stop and you will be harmed, and are being harmed already by it. Get out now.
@AJ-qe5xj2 жыл бұрын
The guy that eats, he obviously hasn’t studied how speed eaters/quantity eaters (professional) train behind the scenes. They can actually be typically healthy and not gain a ton of weight, but they do it my training/stretching their stomach over time, eating a very bland/healthy diet at the times they aren’t doing a challenge and they also exercise and trained for years to do it. It just sounds like this guy wants an excuse to try and eat large quantities of junk food or food he enjoys without putting forth the work or research to do it as safe as others.
@ArthropodJay2 жыл бұрын
"Patient A, presenting to the emergency room"
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
More like the morgue. He's going to either choke or asphyxiate, and for that, you earn yourself a shelf in cold storage, not a bed in the ER.
@ArthropodJay2 жыл бұрын
@@pansprayers it was a reference to chubbyemu
@didyasaysomethin2me2 жыл бұрын
Story 2: If OP's husband is uploading videos that in any way promote bulimia, couldn't OP report them on the basis that the videos exhibit "harmful or dangerous acts"? Or would that just go against KZbin's grain of only giving a shit about all the wrong things?
@mousepariah38842 жыл бұрын
for some reason (like it's tangentally related but still) the first story just reminds me when I was telling my sister about Dragon: The Bruce Lee story and how it was a reality check when it got to him and his wife marrying and the mother in law just busts out about children "They won't be white, and they won't be oriental. They'll be some kind of half-breed"My sister interupted at this point to correct me "The term is mixed race." I had to look her dead in the eye and tell her "You're right, but to a 1960's racist the term was half-breed, because they were deemed lesser." She looked so pissed about that thought I was proud.
@liljjforevea2 жыл бұрын
I love me some chubbyemu! Didn't expect Mark to mention it but it makes sense here
@SCScholar12 жыл бұрын
Chubbyemu is a good channel. I looked into him. He's an adjunct professor at a medical school. He does a great job going through the processes in detail and breaking down words so you understand the meaning. It's definitely an education to watch him.
@AndyyWithAY2 жыл бұрын
The parents only want to reunite for the grandkids. You will need to decide if this is what you want to do
@NeroTheDarklord7 ай бұрын
Story 2: I can relate to OP in the update about feeling betrayed that a partner you spent years with chooses unhealthy behavior over building a future and having lied about it. I lived with my ex for 3 years and only found out after I moved in that she was severely depressed. I tried everything I could to help her. But when she said she is "proud of being severely depressed", I knew I lost the fight before it even started. She chose her depression over a future with me. She didn't want to be happy or healthy. She wanted to be right. I uprooted everything for her and it was all for nothing. Three years of my life wasted. It got so bad i was no longer save in our shared apartment and if i hadn't insisted on being on the lease, she would have made me homeless out of nothing but spite. I had to stay in a shelter for over a month before i could get all my ducks in a row and escape with the last bit of money i had to go back to my home town.
@threeducks1572 жыл бұрын
I hate any and all social media challenges, however my daughter and her friends talked me into doing the hot ones challenge they were amused/disturbed about me all but drinking the dang sauses as it was nothing, the thing is my usual poison is made from roasted Carolina reapers, tomato, onion cilantro salsa.
@jameslyons66552 жыл бұрын
Story one. Holy smokes those parents are absolute garbage. Well, at least she has her answer and can go no contact for life while feeling absolutely zero guilt.
@synren28512 жыл бұрын
Holy protect the cuties! OP's husband is right, I'm so happy he was there to call out his jnfil. I'm sorry for op and her dh had to see/hear that hate. It's always hurtful and surprising when you hear a slur thrown at you. We are supposed to live in a civilized society. When that happens that just proves we're not in one at all.
@melaniewharton87622 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the uploads as always!
@fantasystaplesuwu15542 жыл бұрын
Heck yeahhh.
@telinhajp2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark! Hope you're having a wonderful night! ❤️
@SilveryBlue10102 жыл бұрын
2nd story, move out, don't waste your time anymore please. Don't help him, maybe he'll realized what he had done if he see how filthy he is..
@justaperson4656 Жыл бұрын
Story 2: I suffer a similar fate. Gorging a lot on junk food. I always make sure to clean up as I eat. In my case I don't believe it's disordered eating, because I'm chronically ill, and need to eat that much to maintain a semi healthy weight (I'm 125lbs/9 stone). I also throw a lot of it up due to my illness, and can say it SUCKS. Big time. The acid burn in my throat alone kills some days. For him to want that means there has to be something going on mentally
@FriedaMMartin2 жыл бұрын
Good evening! Off to the eye doctor I go, have a swollen eyelid today for who knows what reason
@carolroberts46142 жыл бұрын
Painful! My other half had that, turned out to be blepharitis! I've had conjunctivitis. Hope yours gets sorted out ok.
@FriedaMMartin2 жыл бұрын
@@carolroberts4614 mine is a Stye plus chalazion so I just want it to be treated so that i can not be in pain every time I blink
@2cool4judgement2 жыл бұрын
Yay another Mark video!!!
@RaptureInRed Жыл бұрын
Her "I'm white and he's not, but I don't think it is that." Me: :(
@eliashuapilla Жыл бұрын
Probably want to see what the kids came out as
@Snipergoat12 жыл бұрын
Story 1. Hold on. You are 29 and he is thirty. You met 9 years ago when you worked as his assistant and he your boss. That makes him 21 at the time. What job are you working at that puts a 21 year old in a position that requires an assistant?
@Rienneil2 жыл бұрын
Story 2 you already have a kid, your partner acts like one tell him to clean his mess up like an adult lol
@brigidtheirish2 жыл бұрын
Story 2: Wow. My dad doesn't have the best relationship with food (he's only ever felt full *once* in his entire life), but he *acknowledges* that it's a problem and has been working on it my entire life. He's back-slid a few times, but that happens. This guy... this guy doesn't simply 'not care,' he started practically eating *at* OP as *revenge* for her calling him out!
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
Does he have Pradar-Willi by chance? That causes hyperphagia (inability to feel full). There are various degrees of it, and behaviour modification that can help.
@brigidtheirish2 жыл бұрын
@@pansprayers If he does, he's never been diagnosed. Then again, it took over fifty years for him to be diagnosed with PTSD. Mom's got fairly strict control of what he eats, now, anyway. He used to get snacks on the sly but, as goes one of his favorite sayings, "It is better to sleep in the corner of the roof than in the house with a contentious woman." Edit: Looked it up. He's got the small hands and feet, sleep disorders, and learning disability, but *definitely* not the delayed puberty or intellectual impairment. Motor development is hard to tell because he's got congenital hip dysplasia. He also didn't speak until he was old enough to form complete sentences. Then he started talking *in complete sentences* and never really *stopped.*
@GrammarKamikaze2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe Chubbyemu was mentioned in this episode!! Where my Gas Station Sushi gang at???
@plurpball39582 жыл бұрын
14:30 I feel called out 😅
@GabrielleHayes19212 жыл бұрын
Is it me?? Some of these stories I am beyond confident I've already heard Mark tell with the updates and they're suddenly posted again days/weeks/months later. I feel like I'm going crazy honestly
@MarkNarrations2 жыл бұрын
Hey Gabrielle, pretty sure I haven't covered either of those 2. Even without updates but there's a chance I suppose
@GabrielleHayes19212 жыл бұрын
@@MarkNarrations it's been happening for a couple weeks now. I stop and think 'I've heard this before by him' and then I figure there must be a newer update and there isn't. So I've come to terms that either I can see into the future and don't know it lol, or maybe someone on Reddit is posting under different names the same stories?? I don't know I just feel like I'm going crazy. Maybe I've heard someone else tell a couple of these stories because this happened in different videos and it's always just one story from the video, and I'm thinking if I have heard it from someone else that I'm just hearing your voice and not the other persons and that's why I think your posting it again? I don't know. It happens about once a week and it's always just one story in a video, I think I'm just going to pretend I'm crazy and go with that 😂😬🙃
@MarkNarrations2 жыл бұрын
@@GabrielleHayes1921 You're certainly not going crazy and I promise I'm not trying to make you go crazy either haha :) It is likely you may have heard other redditors with the same story. The ones with updates tend to be on the older side of things simply because of their nature of them. I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for newer updated ones though for sure with some new AITA to keep it fresh.
@rmhartman2 жыл бұрын
they have to rebuild the relationship _before_ they get to see the grandchildren
@untiedshoelaces25882 жыл бұрын
I actually did the extremely spicy ramen challenge. Ramen noodles is my comfort food and I enjoy spicy dishes. It's the only one I did and I thoroughly enjoyed it. OP's husband needs serious help before he ends up in the hospital.
@Josku24112 жыл бұрын
Oop early but i am also going to sleep bc i have a music "exam"(basically we just show off what we learned) tomorrow and i need my sleep
@Mewse12032 жыл бұрын
Be kind, be safe and take care of yourself. Have a great day.
@Deedoof2 жыл бұрын
Chubby Emu!! Love that channel.
@Somebody96662 жыл бұрын
Story 2, Oh dear. I'm guessing her husband watches nicokado lol.
@matheuslopez5782 жыл бұрын
It’s surprising the capacity of the stomach, the husband won’t tear his guts apart eating but sure he’ll get sick. Won’t die eating tho
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
He's either going to: choke when something gets lodged in his esophagus, get pneumonia when something gets sucked into a lung, wind up with an obstruction that goes septic, choke on his own vomit, or die from the long term effects (if not from the diseases that the pests his behaviour have brought in the house). You absolutely CAN (and people DO) die from this behaviour.
@bethanntay2 жыл бұрын
Hope all is well for everyone today/night.
@broken_queer_but_fighting85892 жыл бұрын
Hey you yes you remember to take care of yourself gosh darn it, you are always valid, and I love you and care about you so please take care of yourself 💜💜🤗🤗💜💜🤗🤗
@LizLuvsCupcakes2 жыл бұрын
I can’t imagine not going to my daughter’s wedding. For any reason. Then ghosting her?
@yandereskitty2 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for the op. But, there is nothing you can do. He doest not want to change. He wants to just eat himself until he's critically ill. What would his family do if they knew what he was doing and how he was treating his partner. Maybe an intervention is seriously needed.
@pansprayers2 жыл бұрын
Intervention only works when you hit rock bottom. Unfortunately, rock bottom in ED's is usually death.
@kmechwarrior16842 жыл бұрын
S1: Mom and Dad just want the grandkids. Maintain a NC status quo and tell them since they didn't want you in their lives after the wedding and before they knew you had kids, they can stay out of your life now. Stand FIRM. UPDATE: Wow, they have that little trust and respect for you that they felt uncomfortable that you married you ex-boss. And yeah, I noticed you mentioned he said "my daughter" to you and not "I wanted to walk you down the aisle".... Your dad snapping at your hubby is ALL you need to know at this point and just reinforces the need to keep them out of yours and your children's lives. They will undermine and slur your husband every chance they get. The kids are half that rce and quite frankly, don't need racists in their lives. Tell them to lose your number and never contact you again. S2: If he won't stop and get help, there is no future, get out before he kills himself and drags you down with him.... you love him enough to be worried about him, but he doesn't love you enough to grow up and stop doing pointless, stupid internet "challenges". Natural selection needs to remove these kind of people from the world.... do NOT punish yourself by staying with him. You can;t help someone who won't admit he has a deadly problem, just don't let him drag you down with him. You're married, and if you guys even have medical insurance, the insurance company could look at his history and not pay for any number of expensive treatments he needs, and since you're married, those bills will fall on you too, especially if he passes away. He doesn't care enough about you to consider how what he's doing affects you. He wants to be selfish and make his own decisions? Then he can be alone and free to make them. Sorry lady, but your hubby is a @#!%-ing moron, and a selfish moron at that... Stop making sure he's OK. Ignore him entirely. What does he do for a living, especially if he's endangering YOUR job? Where does he find time to work and contribute to your "family"? We he like this before you married? And if so, WHY did you marry him???? The UPDATE just drives the nails into this marriage's coffin even tighter... DON'T WAIT, he's made it clear you and your opinion don't matter at all to him....
@Jonathan-jp9jp2 жыл бұрын
For the first story I would be afraid that the grandparents would turn the kids against the parents
@guywhowatchesvideos-z2e2 жыл бұрын
ruptured stomach is VERY SERIOUS. Your stomach splits open inside your body, which can kill if not treated (open surgery)
@teetimedolls8072 жыл бұрын
Mark: "there's a KZbin channel who explains what happens in these situations-" Me: a middle aged husband P r e s n t e d to the emergency room, feeling terribly sick. his wife says he constantly eat huge amounts of food for KZbin videos..."
@starrhunter6332 жыл бұрын
The first story I was waiting for something like that to happen just because it was weird about the boss thing especially with them going to hr and her moving out from under him at work. Sad but it happens. Second story most of those people that eat are professionally eaters and have had years of training to do what they do as well as they have workout routines to help keep the weight down. He is going to get hurt doing it how he is and going to regret his choice later.
@JayeEllis2 жыл бұрын
Story 1: They full on TOLD you it was about the kids! Proceed only with extreme scrutiny and caution because their love obviously comes with conditions. I don't think I'd have it in me to respond. This is 100% selfishness on their part, not an attempt to make amends for past wrongs.
@kandinelson24592 жыл бұрын
Who doesn't love waking up with waffles 😂
@animegirl31772 жыл бұрын
Hey mark what's the songs name for your outro can't seem to find it. Great vid as usual btw .☺️
@apersonnamedkai8172 жыл бұрын
I can’t help but think about all the money op’s in story 2 spends . 😳
@SuperF7472 жыл бұрын
The last story sounds like she married Homer Simpson lol
@LilySaintSin2 жыл бұрын
1st story, I suspected the racism thing.
@lewischase2 жыл бұрын
Good evening Mark
@_ella_s2 жыл бұрын
The only thing I can focus on is that he said the wrong lead lol
@believeinshadows1392 жыл бұрын
I literally can’t even comprehend trashing the house and gorging myself till I throw up over my loving wife. That guy is fucked up and I hope his wife leaving is the kick in the teeth he needs to save himself from this pit he’s dug himself into. He’s made a weird version of a binge eating disorder and it’s just sad he’s let himself fall apart like this. I understand that denial is part of having disorders like that but the fact that he can’t even acknowledge his own loving wife is the pathetic part.
@purpleiguana2082 жыл бұрын
Story 1: They ignored their daughter for 5 years after she got married and only got back in touch because "we didn't know we had grandchildren" (or words to that effect)? No. I mean, children aren't always an inevitability of getting married. Plenty of people don't have any. But I don't think it's crazy to assume that children COULD result from a marriage. So they knew from the day that OP got married that there COULD be grandchildren down the line. Yet they still ghosted her for five years, during which any time there could have been, and clearly were, grandchildren. Nope, I don't believe for a second that they got back in touch JUST for the grandchildren. I'm sure that's a motivating factor, sure, but that's not all there is. There's definitely more going on there. And after the update... YEP, I was right about that. And good for OP for keeping racists out of her and her children's lives. I have a trans child and my husband's parents are very homophobic and transphobic and they were gone as soon as they said that they couldn't respect and support our child. (I mean, for many MANY other reasons as well... that was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Since doing this, hubby has realized just how toxic and horrible they are, and always have been.)