I Tried Diablo 4's NEW Rework, I Didn't Expect This Part

[@dmdiablo4]

Record while Live now: www.twitch.tv/darthmicrotransaction just some early first impressions, the defensive pressure is a core part of arpg's that i felt has been missing. these changes have addressed a bit of that and this is my initial thoughts.

[@TravisStockton]

prediction before watching the video: the devs bricked the game balance in order for you to need a full new set of gear because they have no other way to add content to the game.

[@circaen]

@@TravisStocktonThis is more proof that D4 is an ARPG for people who hate ARPG's

[@ronperreault8889]

It wont stick around. People dont play ARPGs cause they like focusing on defensive stuff. They play them to see how high they can scale silly damage numbers. Stacking defensives sound super boring. Guaranteed the penalties per torment level get nerfed.

[@circaen]

@@ronperreault8889 The most popular ARPG is POE & a huge part of that game is balancing your defenses. If the only thing you have to worry about is making your offense go up - there is no game. You are just finding bigger numbers.

[@ljs444]

What I don't like is that our 100 armor turned into level 50 I mean what is the point of hunting for good armor if every season they make our last season trash armor. 😮 I mean if they're going to make our armor trash then we may as well just play the season journal and quit the game and until next season I work my butt off to get that really super good armor and it's trash now 😡

[@chadantonie9825]

Paragon/glyphs leveled to 100 will also significantly increase resistance and armor based on the boards you choose too. Don’t have to solely rely on gear.

[@LastRightsTV]

Still same effect sacrifice dps to survive. That is a much better system.

[@Fredrikwikberg]

level to 60 but yes otherwise true

[@Shea_J]

@@Fredrikwikbergglyphs go to 100. Not 60. Characters go to 60

[@dcepshn]

@@LastRightsTVwhat sacrifice? We have 100 extra points give or take on the paragon board and they limit us to 5 total boards. You will have every option on each board. There are no trade offs nothing at all you get everything and that’s it. Games a joke.

[@mortiusshrek8038]

I really hope so, gear is gonna lose its fun if you are just worried about elemental resistance

[@Creamworks]

can't wait to get a super rare ancestral upgrade after hours of farming and then brick it with tempering 🥰🥰🥰

[@Archimedes1988]

They need to add some item to reset the tempering on an item

[@TheDubshuffle]

they are adding scrolls of retempering in the expansion to reset temper rerolls

[@Creamworks]

@@TheDubshuffle yeah but you can only use it once per item, so brick it twice and it's still bricked

[@SuperCatacata]

@@TheDubshuffle They have a limit, so that's essentially useless half the time. whole system needs a bit of a rework.

[@missDoubleU1]

Oh really? ​@@CreamworksI didn't know you could only use it once per item that sucks 😕

[@jayprofound_mercenary6665]

The UI team really need to fix the character screen. If resistances become important they should give us a full-screen so we can glance at our defences

[@Folgers333]

100% agree. I’d actually rather have res in place of str, int, stats if it came down to choosing one or the other

[@gs5257m]

And the items look messy, the ancestral sparkles look awful too much visual clutter

[@micahpowers2614]

Shit, what id like is to see how my stats chsnge when im playing. How one buff changes your attack vs another. Kinda dumb that i cant do that.

[@AiR1DaN]

It's 2024 and the best they can do is a gigantic scrolling list

[@jayprofound_mercenary6665]

@@AiR1DaN phoned it in for sure. Some of the console misses are pretty big. I mean they sorted mouse pointed use on a controller in the D2 remaster.

[@ener11454]

It is worth noting that Raxx sort of exploited a bug to get to 60 that fast and Blizzard already told him it would be fixed by patch release. People should not expect leveling to be near that fast.

[@karixonos2352]

leveling 1-60 is too slow if you don't do strongholds and whispers. everyine starts with lvl50 characters instead of testing the whole lvling ladder. pentient should be accesible at lvl 30, torment at 50

[@hunteryoung5583]

​@@karixonos2352that's bc they want it to take longer. It's something the game has needed. They don't need everyone hitting level 100 day 1 every season.

[@austing2623]

​@@karixonos2352 are u high lvling is ridiculously fast

[@karixonos2352]

@@austing2623 obviously if ur taking ur lvl50 char from season instead of testing things it gonna be quick. if you're not doing strongholds, and just whispers a non speedfarm build takes 6-20h to lvl, without doing whisper I bet it could get to 30h. test PTR ffs, instead of taking ur seasonal character, getting last 10 lvls using a stronghold exploit or speed farm, make a new one, and try to enjoy the leveling process as normal person would do

[@StevenNguyenJason]

The higher torment tiers are supposed to be difficult. It forces players to think about defenses instead of trying to one shot everything before they die. Also, you are not forced to go to higher torment tiers. You can get everything in torment 1 which is similar to current endgame. It's just that being able to go into higher world tiers reward you with better loot drops but you have to have a really good build to do so. Casuals will probably settle in torment 1 or torment 2 and the veterans can enjoy the higher torment tiers.

[@themanwithnoname1839]

Im a massive casual and am easily destroying torment 4........ This game is far easier than you give it credit for, ESPECIALLY when theres dozens of channels for "build" guides lmfao rofl dont even have to try when someone else can do it for you

[@paulm7896]

Dont worry. After all the work to max your armor and res, you'll still get one shot.

[@xDeathCrownx]

Fr fr 😂

[@coryernsberger61]

There's a lot more to defenses than just armor and resistance. Did you play on release? T100 nmd were actually very hard to complete. Now everything is easy.

[@xDeathCrownx]

@@coryernsberger61 yea n now everything is changing again lol its just a tug war at this point n not only they dropping your resistance but armor as well so theres that as well

[@caseybrown6813]

This isn't PoE.

[@TheMusicolophile]

You’re thinking PoE.

[@gheygladiator]

Waiting for everyone to cry about the game being too hard, they were crying about the game being too easy for season 5

[@circaen]

Well Blizzards solution to every complaint has been to make the game easier. It is crazy how much of this game has been reduced to the lowest common denominator.

[@MrLove-666]

Well I started in Expert with a Sorc Fireball, doing Strongholds gets you almost 2 levels everytime ( x 15 = 30 levels right there since you need to kill mobs, easygoing to lvl 60), it felt.. easy? Rhykker on the other hand seemed to struggle with a Squishy Rigue so yeah, they better open the option to start at the Penitent one before Torment for those that might want more challenge. Or choose a Starter Season Class that will challenge you.. Waiting on Friday to test the rest. Btw I'm no streamer, just average.

[@SuperLifestream]

My complaint: I bought the D4 Vessel of Hatred to play what I know now is D4. So now I've repurchased an expansion for almost an entirely different game. I understand they can change the game when ever they want, but they didn't advertise the expansion with all of these changes that people will be buying

[@zaccochran4025]

@@SuperLifestreamyour acting like it’s a different game entirely. You paid $70 on day 1 and got a game you weren’t expecting either lmfao. Stop fucking crying. You know your gonna grind and no life it anyways you just want attention

[@via_negativa6183]

Bah. This games just Diablo 3 they cant make anything else and it sucks

[@evidicus]

Gearing up for more damage is fun. Gearing up to simply survive is a chore.

[@killingmygamez_bonbon919]

Playing diablo is like being in a toxic relationship. In the beginning you enjoy spending time together. But afterwards you start peeling back the onion layers. Than you realize there's nothing good in there.

[@fang_xianfu]

You hang out a little and remember everything that made you fall in love in the first place. _Maybe it's different now..._ you think. But before too long, you realise, no, it's more of the same.

[@elibnem4126]

Ding ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner. I hate this rework without even playing it

[@josephkim007]

I’m glad you feel the importance of playing more defensively. To be honest, this is how I played every season while doing hard-core mode. When playing a hard-core character, it’s not just about the damage you do but your survivability.

[@schoaf]

Sounds like Tyraels Might Chest piece is now mandatory AF

[@dvm590]

I have the worst luck, I've never had an UU drop.

[@Someothername2134]

Kinda is already. Makes rest of build so much more free since it caps res instantly almost

[@adammijares9222]

I just level a few characters to get the sparks from the season cache. Much easier to farm mythics imo. Can usually complete the season journey in the first few days then spend a few more days leveling toons for the easy sparks to craft mythics.

[@AZ-j]

Just play a build where you can do tormented bosses with no mythic uniques and do rotas. Best way to get them

[@AZ-j]

@@Oncewasgolden you just seem lazy or bored with the game

[@ShatroGames]

They literally said that you're not supposed to reach T4 in just a couple hours and I think that's great.

[@ShinzoX90]

They say whatever they need to to get more money

[@zaiyas1408]

@@ShinzoX90 hahahah what??? I’m not a betting man but I’d bet my entire life savings on that being true. There’s no way the average player is going to be getting to T4 in a couple hours. Hell I’d bet even the try hard blasters can’t unless they use some exploit or use their viewers in an advantageous way to farm xp/get handed free op gear. What a weird phenomenon you people are. You’re like reverse fanboys. You blindly hate and say objectively stupid stuff that’s completely unrelated to the comment your relying to. No normal person should read what ShatroGames said and reply with what you said, that’s some unhinged professional cry baby behavior.

[@alexubel]

@@ShinzoX90 What more money? They have pretty much capped on people that are going to buy Diablo 4 at this point.

[@myerk1971]

​​@@alexubelthey are selling an expansion....what do you mean, "what money?". Lol

[@presidentc4]

​@@alexubelLol that's not true

[@Ty_Guy3]

Have we all stopped asking for a zoom out ? I want to see more and map overlay for when in dungeons.

[@draega570]

I think they've been firm on the map overlay feature, but not sure about view distance and zoom

[@Soveey]

They made an option to zoom out a liittle bit

[@Ty_Guy3]

@@Soveey how you do it haha I haven’t been on in maybe 2 months ? I’m on console

[@baileyleonhirth1922]

@@Ty_Guy3tap the up D pad, right bumper, magnifying glass on the rotation wheel

[@Ty_Guy3]

@@baileyleonhirth1922 that’s been there and only “zooms out” if you are already accidentally zoomed in. I’m asking for more zoom out.

[@pagauthier3079]

Tyrael Might becomes a must for torment 4

[@TheSwamper]

From the way you describe it, I think I'll just stay in Torment 2.

[@thy_gloom581]

You can make it to 3 fs I believe in you

[@HDGaminTutorials]

God i hope your not the majority we need harder content and stuff to do

[@traktor321]

T1 is a safe bet, lets go. lol

[@TheFrancoBona]

Yep I think T2 will be the real of people like me. My goal in season 5 was to be able to defeat tormented duriel Solo and for me it was an achievement. I think T2 will be slightly easier than that but prob I will be in the "won T2, T3 always feels challenging and can't beat it" realm.

[@TheSwamper]

@@thy_gloom581 I don't think I want to? I don't mind a LITTLE bit of challenge once in a while, but my preference is to play with the sound off while listening to a podcast and facerolling everything. 99% of the time, I don't want to have to focus and concentrate on the game.

[@TheFrancoBona]

This looks nice and makes me want an armory even more now because probably I will want to have different gear for T2 & T3.

[@davidzimmerman617]

Only a few minutes into the video; I think having to make a decision about needing either a drop or temper, and whether you may need to MW a Res/Armour stat adds to the game. As DM mentioned a few times already, you just throw on Tyraels and you don't gotta worry. Now, it's a bit of a problem, a good problem. That's just my take so far.

[@emoussea1]

Still don’t have mercenary, runewords, or all paragon & glyphs. It’s not going to be as hard as you think.

[@sharpswordz1]

Missing seasonal power as well. The mercs are kind of ass because they are for solo play can’t run a 2 man with mercs

[@goober69er]

@@sharpswordz1that sucks I didn’t know that. I mostly play solo but when I can I have a couple friends I play with and we were discussing multiple mercs.

[@knuckleheadgaming9231]

@@sharpswordz1 The party leader can have their reinforcement merc in groups. They mentioned that in one of the chats. So not all the time but one can still be there

[@rogerh2694]

This game is supposed to be for casuals to milk the most out of the general population. Maxroll will spam you with s tier builds to make you fly through 90% of the game until endgame where the slightest resistance makes you cry and rage quit.

[@Xenotimes]

Agree and the glyphs to 100 they will boosr ressistance nodes like crazy

[@LastRightsTV]

The monsters get significantly more aggressive in world tier 4. They really feel like they want to kill you. This must be the intensity AI level they talked about in the stream.

[@Fredrikwikberg]

cooL i love that

[@DustinHarms]

This would actually be a really nice touch if true.

[@Xenotimes]

Yep they want that smoke😅

[@onaucc9899]

Very nice. That's what ACTUAL difficulty is like. "More HP and more damage" isn't difficulty - it's just lazy.

[@Fishmeaker]

They sgould delete that attack power stat cause its useless and let someplayers do wrong descissions. I would rathe see life, armor and all res stats there.

[@sonoftristram]

💯

[@dennisvogel5982]

i mean it does what it says but you can only figure out what it really does for your damage if you compare or understand the damage buckets - I agree its very misleading to new players and also kind of useless for experienced ones

[@draega570]

​@@dennisvogel5982I interpret as intending to be an indication of power, but I'm not sure it does even that since...there are plenty of examples where a much lower "Attack Power" does more actual damage, per hit & overall. It also doesn't include everything directly adjusting damage, let alone calculate all of it.

[@ShinzoX90]

Jesus bud, how easy do you want them to make it?

[@sonoftristram]

@@ShinzoX90 it doesn't make the game easier or harder, it's just about the removal of a confusing stat.

[@SeRiOuS1675]

I find the new level system weird, sure its fast but there was nothing wrong with 1-100

[@truthseeker6532]

Make 4 level 100's each season or more. Many players do that to get the 4 resplendents. Takes forever!!!!!!!

[@alcovitch]

@@truthseeker6532 So you're solution is to redo the entire game to appease these players? I got 4 Mythics in the same day and only leveled 1 character. YOu don't need to level 4 of them. Jesus.

[@draega570]

​@@alcovitchI think the point is that obviously people enjoy different aspects of the game, and the change makes more of the game accessible to a wider base. They "split the difference" between char levels & paragon levels ( also this is directly explained in the notes)😊

[@jedirayden]

I think they're just trying to make it easier to understand for new players in the future. With as much as the game has changed from what it was at launch up to now, it's hard to keep up if you haven't played in a while. Separating the skill point acquisition phase of leveling (in other words the "choose your build" aspect of the game) from the Paragon portion of leveling (enhance the power/survivability of your build) makes it easier to understand for a new player. Or rather, I'm assuming that's their logic. It "creates" two separate tiers of character progression, by explicitly separating them... Which they already were because you couldn't earn Paragon levels until you completed your skill point levels. But it allows them to add more skill points/base levels in the future without having to also rework Paragon again, if they don't want to/feel Paragon is still okay at that time. Edit: I am only referring to the new skill leveling/Paragon leveling changes. Nothing else.

[@rogerh2694]

Cus Blizzard fucked up by not making enough diverse content to level to 100 and now they just went f- it and took out 1/3 of the leveling process instead of adding more content to grind. Cheap as hell.

[@Touchin-Grass]

Ancestral has always been 2 tempering.

[@DarthVapor86]

Ya this should have been a thing from the jump. Sense of progression and being excited for drops is the lifelblood of an ARPG and that hasnt really been a thing. We should have to figure these things out. Why have all theses systems if they arent used in meaningful ways to help you progress.

[@Pseudophonist]

I'd love if the campaign would be a viable leveling option, compared to helltide etc

[@filiphanzer9277]

Thank you for this video. Cancelled my pre-order. I want to have fun in the game not to sweat and be punished all the time.

[@BootedTech]

Yes, thinking of cancelling mine too, blizzard have no idea how to make a fun game, only complicated ones.

[@zaiyas1408]

Maybe Minecraft creative mode is more your speed

[@filiphanzer9277]

Finally, somebody got baited.

[@MMoer]

@@BootedTech Tell me you have never played POE without telling me you have never played POE

[@shawn4387]

Sweaty 😂 it’s not going to be sweaty have you ever played a Diablo game in your life

[@beans8130]

How did you get a Tyrell's? Genuine question, drop or crafted ? Interesting to know drop rates ect

[@MMoer]

Its a a character he already had that was copied a few weeks ago from the live servers to the ptr servers so people can test immeadiately with the gear and build the already had.

[@douglasduda9826]

That is going to change in the next month too, its going to take runes and 1 spark to craft the mythics. The bosses are still going to be the main source of drops chance will scale with difficulty, so we will see.

[@JimmyVader]

My issue during Season 1 was that I was not getting enough legendary/unique drops. Your video makes me think I am going back to what I didn't like in Season 1/2. Do Legend/unique items drop enough to actually make builds while still having a life?

[@SwiiTcHBacKPs3]

I feel like the resist penalties are a tad too harsh.. Essentially needing tyraels to get decent resists, otherwise you're probably gonna struggle. I hope they reduce the penalty to around 20% or 22.5% per torment tier ending at 80 or 90% in torment IV. There it looks like there'd still be some give/take offense/defense wise but not needing tyraels or all your gear tailored to it in TIV

[@evidicus]

I just can’t imagine taking D4 seriously enough to stress over higher tier content. I already have PoE for that, and playing games isn’t my job. I can really only “main” one ARPG. D4 is the game I just want to blast through content on while playing on my Steam Deck WITHOUT needing to think about it too hard.

[@Tarynyel]

And you CAN. What you WANT is to do that, but on the hardest difficulty, so you feel strong. And that's another thing.

[@zaiyas1408]

That’s what T1 is for lol. You can literally get all end game loot from T1. If that’s to much stress then just go play Minecraft in peaceful mode, it’s very relaxing and easy.

[@sufreco12]

So just play POE

[@themanwithnoname1839]

​@@zaiyas1408fortnite player spotted, "he who plays games with single digit age children"

[@CrimsonNinroot]

I have assumed the plan is making it so maxing out the paragon for every piece of Res and Armor are part of the difficulty Progression.

[@FTDragneeel001]

I am not sure if I like the new system. DM I don't get to play like you. I still haven't gotten a character to lvl 100. I have never obtained any final-grade gear yet. I constantly have to change my gear stats to survive. Now with the change it's just going to slow me down even further but then again maybe not. But will I ever get to have the max gear, who knows.

[@shawn4387]

What it take a few hours to get to max lvl

[@FTDragneeel001]

@shawn4387 I must be doing something wrong. I can play only after 8pm every day but I don't get to play everyday. I have a wife that wants to spend time with me. But also by 9pm I get tired. Believe me when I tell you it's been difficulty to get to 100. Last season I made it to 90. This season I am 82

[@themanwithnoname1839]

​@@shawn4387yes, if youre NOT married, with kids, and have a job, basement dweller......

[@nunyabidness9765]

Not great signs for the direction they're going. Wonder how many seasons it'll take Blizzard to listen to what it's customer base wants this time?

[@KrigHammar]

The problem is that they listen to everyone's opinion. And half of the players want difficulties and real challenge and other half want to blast through everything in a blink on an eye. Therefore blizzard is confused. Look Poe Devs. They adjust some problems what players tell them, but sometime they just don't give a fuck cuz it doesn't match their idea about the game and I really think this is the way. You can't satisfy everyone.

[@douglasduda9826]

@@KrigHammar Well they are trying to do that here, we will see how it ends up. I don't disagree with you but I think a happy medium can be achieved. The power fantasy is something that is necessary in the game, but so is a level of challenge/reward. If players don't feel rewarded for their time, they won't play.

[@flyingbacon7897]

Cool! Yet ANOTHER point of frustration! Game's just getting better and better. Smh.

[@daveoflogheadaxemods5387]

I legit enjoyed S5. Got to 80 real quick and then had to start the collecting of all things. Finally got my first solo tormented boss kills and an Uber unique. For an 8h / week player, I liked that. Hydra sorc made me happy.

[@kapiteinlulhaas7612]

How did you get a mystic? Random drop or crafted?

[@daveoflogheadaxemods5387]

@@kapiteinlulhaas7612 Drop. Starless skies Tormented Greg.

[@douglasduda9826]

@@daveoflogheadaxemods5387 My first in the season ona Sorc we did torm gerg and I got Andariels Visage and I did not even have a rogue yet.

[@MaxiSokrates]

This is an important point! You have to think about your defense and not, like me, min max damage to oneshot everything. I also like that I think it's important that I work on the overall puzzle of my character. The old thing is that you get the resistance very quickly and then never think about it again and that they are basically so boring that you don't have to worry about them much and in principle you could remove them completely in the old system. In the old system everything revolves around having absurdly high damage numbers and oneshotting everything brainafk, which is extremely boring and gives me no motivation at all to play for long in the endgame. But now with the new system I could have a puzzle, which would motivate me longer in the endgame.

[@Cynicv2]

There is no puzzle, you'll follow a guide or build like everyone else lol

[@MaxiSokrates]

@@Cynicv2 yes, it's not a real puzzle. It was only figuratively speaking for understanding. It's simply more than before where there was nothing at all and you picked up resistances and armor as you went by and only cared about stacking more damage against completely overwhelmed opponents. Everything more is good for Diablo. And makes theorycrafting more interesting.

[@Cynicv2]

@MaxiSokrates theory crafting will only be a thing for like a week after any changes. There will only be a few optimal builds like there is now if you want to do the highest form of content which is the only goal in the game.

[@d4rthgaming]

Levelling through the campaign all the way to the endgame was my best Diablo experience since D2. You need to stop and think through what to change, and if it's worth to change it. All vendors have decent gear sometimes now. Also, it was hard and challenging, but not a pain. No more weird random one shots, no more raining legendaries and uniques. Uniques are even rarer now which makes them more "unique" finally. It makes the game a bit more mental and tactical than just a "press a button to blast" which is something I never was a fan of. Leveled my first lvl 60 HC character today and i still did it under 6-7h. It's the endgame through the Torment level like stated in this video that all will be way more relevant (paragon, glyphs, masterworking) Big W for me. All they need to do now is make dungeons actually dark like the new helltides at night and not like the sun is always around in a creepy dungeon.

[@Comeasyouare-m2e]

I like this idea, it felt to easy before like defense stats didn't really matter, makes you think about the items you use and continues the hunt for better equipment. You actually have to farm in the level can defeat until something better drops. Makes items mean more to your build.

[@peterchopper6507]

If items had higher residences than they currently have it would be ok but as usual they probability went too far

[@sethwood1676]

I mean it's not hard to keep close to max res and armor going from torment 2 to 3. The thing that I find personally ludricous is the enemy health. doing 400-600k victimize procs and its barely a dent in a lot of elites and bosses on torment 3 for example tormented bosses I'll kill within seconds on torment 2 but, go to 3 and it's a slog. I die from attrition before I actually kill the boss. It's just an unfun solution to enemies to just give them so much more health and dr.

[@suntzu1901]

A lot of casuals are going to say: "I'm not spending 120 hours to hit max paragon again" for season 7. Huge Blizz mistake... the majority of players don't play 10 hours+ a week.

[@MrGeneralScar]

I plan to play PTR tonight or tomorrow night after work. Maybe some on the weekend too. It does look like the new difficulties will aid in everyone now needing to put more effort into plus armour and plus resistance on items rather than just tempering all damage affixes and 1shotting everything. I like that, currently in S5 I dont think i have a single tempered affix of plus resistance and I am way over cap even with tyriels. I do have one or 2 plus % armour, or plus HP on one of my guys, but the vast majority is big dam tempers. I hope its going to really add to the depth of creating builds, and maybe it will make those insane 1-shot everything builds a bit harder to achieve. Not that I can ever manage to achieve one anyway.. Once I did, Blizz nerfs the bleeds on my barb. I think I only seen 1 Tyriels drop in S4, maybe I got one in S5 too. For the rest I have just been speed levelling toons to get the spark in S5 then deleting them and rolling a new toon. I think I am on toon 9 so far, which isnt bad since I work 60+ hours a week. Based off this content, the only thing I am concerned about now is it kinda appears as if the chase for gear is much harder than before, yet we can still brick it almost all the time in tempering. That might leave a funny taste in player's mouth even more so than tempering already does. For one thing, DM being a streamer almost always has a great build and multiple Mythics on day 1, this is kinda day 2 almost of the PTR and still trying to get to the final difficulty and trying to find gear. So if a streamer with lots of time to play takes more than twice the time to get there, the casuals will never manage it in a season. That could be a problem, or maybe it will just mean that the casuals will just have to live with not being able to progress past T1 difficulty.

[@danilocamere2896]

Yes definatly u have to be more crafty with the direction u gonna take to get as much as all resistance nodes with paragon boards , but we have not see runewords yet so thats gonna also change stuff , to be honest i like it is more like tactic to get to higer torment level but im sure u guys gonna come up with some good builds before the Dlc comes out :)

[@yuuto6666]

sorc and necro gonna be op for defences

[@messire9837]

Elemental defense, yes, as it should be. Barrier does it for the armor part. Rogue op dodge, barbarians op HP bags. Have yet to try druid to even know what his gotos are.

[@GDub356]

@@messire9837the amount of DR built into the druids skill tree is ignorant lol

[@emptysoul2757]

@@GDub356not wrong 😂

[@netgamersk]

The question is if loot is more scarse are affixes as well? I mean I probably played 30-40 hours this season and I still don't have amulet with 2/3 affixes and not even 3/3...because there are 1000 different ones for amulet and getting the right ones feels like pain. I hope it's really tuned down. And then again, if you finally find the good gear let it be bricked. I understand that finding the right item should take time but when you do just don't ruin it with stupid mechanic. Today I got 3ga ring and ofc I bricked it because guess why? 7 times in a row I rolled wrong and the SAME aspect. From 3 total possible stats. What's chance of that 1 / 3 to power of 7. That's stupidly low chance and it the fun got ruined because of a stupid game mechanic.

[@sethwood1676]

From what I've seen so far on ptr(on torment 3 right now) is I'm getting more skills on amulets and it seems they have taken off some affixes again or I've been really lucky. Almost all of the amulets I've gotten have a passive skill role on them for the rogue I've been running.

[@dealbreakerc]

for itemization and builds to be interesting, there has to be a choice between damage and survivavabilty. Reaching the armor/resist cap should be a choice that comes with consequences (lower damage output). But at the same time, NOT getting to armor/resist cap should also be viable. You should definitely have to get close to the cap (90%of cap maybe?) to not get literal one-hit but it should be possible to clear content faster without a capped resist build (more glass cannon style) than it is with a capped resist build (more of a tank/grind them down style)

[@MajorCooke2]

Keep in mind there are a new tier of gems now, "Grand" versions. They give +12 resist, and +240 armor. Do not neglect those when you get to Torment! And don't forget about your paragon nodes either, those provide armor and resist as well. You'll need them.

[@ShogiGuru]

🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:00:00 *📈 Armor and resistances are harder to obtain in Torment 3, leading to challenges in survivability.* 00:02:12 *🎢 The stat squish significantly reduces overall stats, affecting gameplay dynamics in higher torment levels.* 00:03:34 *🧩 A new gameplay mechanic requires more strategic focus on defenses, enhancing the overall experience compared to previous seasons.* 00:04:11 *🌟 Ancestral gear drops are rarer, creating a sense of progression and meaningful item acquisition during leveling.* 00:07:41 *⏳ Leveling feels quicker, but the real progression occurs post-max level through gear and Paragon leveling.* 00:08:07 *🌈 Paragon board changes allow for more strategic build customization and enhanced character progression.* 00:12:54 *🏆 Nightmare dungeon scaling is now based on torment levels, ensuring progression remains challenging and rewarding.* 00:15:15 *🔍 The new mechanics foster a deeper engagement with items and defenses, creating a more enjoyable experience overall during gameplay testing.* Made with HARPA AI

[@keek1337]

I'm currently a rogue that is 15 levels under the content I'm running and just blasting through it. I don't like this, I want to feel much squishier relative to the difficulty of my content and this change seems like exactly that. Nice

[@themanwithnoname1839]

So because youre effective at playing the game you want it to just be harder....... Wow, perfection, fuck everyone else i see

[@ferrite1707]

Unless the change Infernal rewards, the big chest is probably going to be the easiest way to get ancestral items since at least one guaranteed GA drop. Spam it several times on a difficulty that you can rush through several times. Maybe an hour of time and we should at least be rocking mostly usable top IL gear.

[@draega570]

has to at least be T1 for Ancestral to be able to drop now, and I imagine the higher difficulty will be the best way to increase chances overall. I doubt the GA chest will even be available in Hordes below like the top 2 most difficult tiers. At least all Ancestrals are guaranteed at least one GA, that makes the grind more tolerable. (unless 95% of them are still life per sec, resist, etc... I also think one of the upcoming new consumables will be something like "for X amount of time monster kills have increased chance to drop Ancestral items" , but might be too optimistic to think we' would get that much control over it

[@douglasduda9826]

They were not guaranteed, i popped that chest and got 0 plenty of times. ITs increased chance.

[@BremSterGames]

The defense and resistance chase is what killed Last Epoch for me, and when I saw this in D4 I was very worried it would be the same thing. In LE I was starting to push up through corruption and I got a really nice piece of gear, almost godlike for my build. But if I put it on, I lost too many defenses from the item I already had, so I had to swap out another piece of gear to get that defense up, which caused something else to drop, and I had to try to get defenses up again... and it turned out to put on a single upgrade you needed to have a complete set of alternate gear either already stored and ready, or be prepared to farm it or try to craft it... and it meant that the good feeling for getting a great piece of gear was completely ruined. When I realized that getting an almost best in slot piece of gear meant I couldn't equip it without going down in power a lot because I couldn't survive, I just stopped playing. If the same happens in D4, that will stop a lot of people from chasing gear. What is the point in getting a great piece of gear if you can't equip it without going back a difficulty level because you lose too much defense? I kind of understand they are trying to make it that you will get the defenses you need as you level up in paragon and focus on improving there in order to survive and that will make the gear chase better, but it won't be enough. You get a great item, and then you need to store it and try to find the other items to be able to equip it, so you need to keep multiple sets of gear in order to have options based on what drops on different items. In LE it was bad enough when you had almost endless storage. In D4 with it's terrible storage limits, this is going to be even worse. I can not see this being a success in any way for anyone except the few who love chasing the hard core challenge or the one who lifestyle games like this. For the players who come for a burst of power fantasy fun, this is going to be a removal of a lot of the "reward" aspects of the game. I have never been in the "D4 bad" camp, I have skipped a season because I wanted to take a break, but I have enjoyed most of my time in the game and it has had issues, but this is the first "D4 is going bad" change I have seen.

[@Mike-om4tv]

Gotta collect the puzzle pieces dude. Everything shouldnt be compatible with every other piece of gear. There needs to be thoughtfulness in decisions and tempering.

[@bingbong2227]

Them locking seasonal mechanics that makes you stronger behind 40 dollars ruins it for me i payed 60 before it was added to gamepass now they want 40 more after taking my 60 last year and throwing into a garbage can so that they can start doing it every other season and milking everyone for every penny they can get I still cant get over the fact these mfs want 30 40 bucks for a skin when u cant even see your character 90% of time, this will prob be the first season i dont play at all

[@goober69er]

@@bingbong2227Vessel of hated is an expansion. Not a season. Rune words and mercenaries are also part of the Expac and not just a seasonal gimmick. D2 did the same thing when lord of destruction came out.

[@caseybrown6813]

Wrong. They literally said you don't have to play on T4 to complete the game and get all your gear. If you don't like getting defenses up and solving the layers of your character, just play in T3.

[@NamNguyen-lr6sk]

Wow you trade off damage for defense, who would’ve thought….😂

[@Jak0vas]

Rax's technique was an exploit, it's being patched. Personally 5 hours got me to 55

[@barbapabbi89]

Helltide farming with some NMDs 50-60 in about 3 hours. I wasn't even efficient. Was still testing out skills/passives, etc. Spent probably 20 min deciding if I wanted to change anything/go a different route with skills.

[@erics.4650]

I love the tiers actively get much harder. I remember in D2 when Act 1 when you first went to Nightmare and then Hell was incredibly difficult compared to killing Baal in the previous tier. Keeping the challenge there is what makes it enticing to play.

[@themanwithnoname1839]

Thats what wow is for, this aint wow......

[@chrisberg002]

I hopped on d2r today to just mess around. I like the changes here with needing more defenses. It’s reminiscent to d2 where you HAD to get those resistances up and sacrifice power for defenses if you wanted to be comfy in hell even with GG gear.

[@themanwithnoname1839]

And yet with max armor bonus and damn near max resistance i still get one or two shot...... People prop up D2 like its some god tier revelation or something..... Nostalgia goggles clearly blind you..... Ive played it as well, aint as good as everyone thinks it is.... Now i await the "oh so its bad then?" When i never said that, i simply said it aint as good as everyone says it is......

[@leegingold5634]

Yeah I dunno. I like the notion but it feels too strongly applied if Turiels might and a bunch of other affixes doesn't fix tier3, that sounds like too much emphasis on building defenses.

[@wg5331]

@@leegingold5634 agreed. I’m a fan of more emphasis on defenses but it needs to be toned down if it’s too penalizing between tiers. Luckily that should be an easy fix of just lessening the resistance and armor penalties a little bit between tiers.

[@apxpremium1047]

U have to remember that the he has on is not good at all. It will be easier that what is shown her to get resistance and armour

[@corysmith3338]

A Blizzard tale as old as time. Mega nerf...lose player count....walk it back.....repeat.

[@Killswitch1986]

@@leegingold5634 you would have to be completely brain dead not to be able to fix resistances it’s the easiest shit in the game what’s so hard about it? U get glyphs that add 600% to rare or magical nodes u get more then enough points to invest into resistance u got new gems u can temper on helm armor legs ammy exct u can roll res all on basically eveything not to mention individual elements.. just treat it like u would in d3 with legs chest and helm being defensive with res.. fill in the gaps with gems and paragons if that dont cap it then find ga gear with res all and master work it tf is the isssue ?

[@leegingold5634]

@@Killswitch1986 thanks for the rant :)

[@dualface6104]

Man...I really thought Blizzard wasnt gonna do this again after D3 just pushing the edge limits of dmg/def on everything until the final tier. Fucking hellz Blizzard... 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@dragon_dyce]

Also now that you have to focus on your armor/resistances would that limit how many mythic uniques you can have on your build, because u will need ancestrals to focus on your defenses? I'm really liking the changes they have made, can't wait until season 6

[@doxthafox1138]

Your druid looks dope 😎 pretty excited for this update

[@adammijares9222]

The only downside I see is leveling alts is going to be more time consuming and tedious. Anything to add to the played time metric to appease Blizzards shareholders.

[@dennisvogel5982]

but you do not need to level paragon - thats a huge timesave - give them your mythics - reach lvl 60 - equip runewords - go crush pit 60 or something to have your glyphs at 60 in no time - i think it will be faster actually

[@Narxes081206]

Glad I didn't pre-order!

[@arthas_stormr8ge877]

They def need to make it a little easier to build up to them without having to nuke your entire arsenal of dmg!

[@djdravax5412]

They had to add those lines to the skill system since Ultimate skills can be leveled now, was the only way to save skill points without them just adding another 4 points.

[@Darksh1n]

didnt play since season 2 is it worth coming back for?

[@LesterPaul-g2e]

I found when u get far enough in the pit to make 1 glyph legendary (46 from 21) the catchup mechanic on taking next glyph from 21 at ur current pit level is fast. 1 run in a 50 i took a glyph from 21 to 29. Thought that was cool.

[@ShevaiAsan]

As far as mythic/ubers go, would it be wise to get them now for 4 resplendent sparks; or wait until we're at 'end game' with the new release and acquire them then? Also, they current cost 4 resplendent sparks to acquire now; do they still cost 4 resplendent sparks to craft in the new release, or are they harder to acquire(more resources that may be harder to acquire with the expansion pack release). Would definitely like to know, as my friends and I have been saving our sparks; but now we're not sure what to do. =\

[@occy127]

One thing which hasn't been mentioned anywhere is the renown system. Is it worth doing before s6? Has it changed?

[@patricksarsfield942]

ok, so I've been away for a bit and am not up-to-date with everything, but....but I just looked at your level and it's "206"!. What the heck happened? So we can now go up to level 500 or something? What happened to the max of 100? Wow, it's going to take me like 3-years to get that leveled up!

[@patricksarsfield942]

actually, no worries, I just put the game in my Will, so my kids will get there. It's all good. Thanks everyone

[@SithLordBishop]

not going to feel good when glyphs are high level and 1% change to upgrade

[@juggernautxx]

Yeah, that is my fear too. I hope they put a minimal base that it go to and no lower. Like make it 50% chance be the base. That way you have a 1 out of 2 chance of getting an upgrade. I still remember in D3 hitting the highest rift I could do and only having a 1% chance to upgrade my legendary gem, It just felt bad having my progression gated due to difficulty of the game.

[@DevourD3]

​@juggernautxx so we're lying nice. Only way your gems could be at 1% is if you're doing grs that were waaaay lower than the level of your gem.

[@draega570]

as long as you complete pit tiers that are 10+ levels higher than the level of your glyph, it's 100% chance to upgrade. and 1-3 upgrades per run, based on completion, and a bonus 4th if you don't die. obviously it will get to a point where the chance to upgrade for each attempt is lower as you hit your ceiling (and it's probably not pit tier 100)

[@juggernautxx]

​@@DevourD3 Bit rude to call someone a liar without evidence to back it up. I hit the cap at what level greater rift I could run and could push no further. So eventually I hit a point where I could no longer reliably level my legendary gems. That is why the base percentage should be 33-50% so you always have a chance.

[@juggernautxx]

@@draega570 The best I ever got was around 120-125 GR level, with my gems being around 118-122 and it got to the point where I had like a 1-15% chance to level, which aren't very good odds.

[@NeoNaito]

Didn't watch video all the way through before saying this: Armor% on my amulet literally does 100% bonus to armor... 1 item 1 slot literally filled all my armor needs, no aspect taken

[@sethwood1676]

Yeah its really overexaggerated. I was still at close to cap with 3 grand skulls and an armor affix and tyraels in torment 3. My biggest issue is the fact that everything is a damage sponge past that point and the stat squish was kind of null when i'm still doing 400k to 600k victimize procs every second or 2 and it's like a tiny portion of tormented bosses health and I can go back a to torment 2 and the boss is dead within a couple seconds. The health jump is just outrageous.

[@themanwithnoname1839]

​@@sethwood1676oh better be careful with those opinions, someone might tell you to go back to minecraft, thats how pathetic the fans of this game are

[@emdmao1]

Not gonna lie, this all sounds great. More my personal preference but I’ve wanted slightly slow progression and more gear decisions to make. Just doesn’t feel good rushing WT4 and sitting at blood maiden fully geared (not min/max) in just hours.

[@KeepitABuck50]

They need to spice up the paragon boards. They're not very interesting. If they're going to limit the number of boards and hence, glyphs, give us more interesting build defining customization nodes.

[@themanwithnoname1839]

Why? The devs will just rework it in the season after that almost saying "ha ha fuck you players, now recreate your characters from the fuckin ground up, AGAIN"

[@doomshaman5853]

I have been away for a while, has the armor cap changed? I think it was around 9200.

[@bimley69]

Do you keep paragon if you switch character now? So if i get 206 on a Sorc then level a Barb to level 60 do I keep the paragon at 206 or start again?

[@threewiseman1]

You definately keep the paragon points within the season between characters. So if you start a new char in the same season, you have the paragon points. What I'm unsure of is whether those paragon points transfer between seasons. Be nice if they did, as it would personally give me a long term goal within the season framework. But I have my doubts given how fast the terminally online players burn through content.

[@DustinHarms]

The gear progression seems, yeah, a lot better for the game. Better pacing. Really glad they scaled down the numbers a bit, though I think it's still too high overall. I like the puzzle and "step progression" with figuring out defenses until you reach a breakpoint to do the next difficulty. I still think The Pit is boring after the first few runs. The Paragon board also seems super boring now, too. I like that it's account-wide, but the bonuses just seem really lame, just tiny bits of raw power to keep you getting that dopamine. Feels like a treadmill just for the sake of treadmilling. Especially with the scaling...like, WHY do I want to keep going into higher Torment levels? What new content can I experience? New bosses? Items that only drop from said bosses or in certain torment levels and above? I feel like they're starting to set up the treadmill better than before, but totally forgot people generally need a reason to keep going, a carrot on the stick. In PoE we've got aspirational content, bosses that you have to progress to/collect items for that unlock things that affect how you play the game (voidstones, etc.), drops specific to those, ubers, special difficult content like simulacrum, stuff that only shows up in deep delves, etc. There's so many things to set your mind on when you get to endgame. Then D4 is here like, "Hey we made the progression feel better," while the only thing to look forward to now is....progressing more? Because bigger number better? I dunno man, it sounds good, but it's not enough, at least for me.

[@massterror2319]

What happens to the master working we have on our current gear on live when this change rolls around?

[@Emann-yc7cv]

Is that the Lavender scent of Lysol? I didn't think you could get that kind in Alaska!

[@Grapejellyification]

My only worry with defense caps getting harder to reach is that the int classes will be the only ones where it's viable to hit the cap and tyraels becomes required gear. I'm fine with the difficulty increase as long as there are multiple tools to get it. If getting Tyraels gatekeeps T4 then they will have missed the mark

[@lindholdt7550]

The gear changes sounds great, it almost makes me want to try D4 again.

[@derrickcall9307]

I've always had a hard time when trying to figure what gear is better than others. I get frustrated, and then I quit usually. Hopefully, the rest of the new changes balance out the great defensive need and also ensures we can still be as powerful as needed for endgame.

[@caseybrown6813]

The game literally feels like Gauntlet Legends for the N64 until you hit HIGH pit or T7 Infernal Hordes. God give me some difficulty that doesnt set in until after 15 hrs on a character. This is a great change.

[@Acuas]

Well, I thought gear was too hard to get even before, sure it droped all the time, but it was almost impossible to get a piece with all the stats you wanted, including the exact tempers you needed, so with this change, I don't see a reason to play, to me that only feels like they're artificially making it harder for you to progress, because they can't think on a better system or more content, so they just nerf people so they need to spend more time to reach the same point, and so, people don't notice the lack of endgame.

[@Bynbrooke]

To be fair, Rax also leveled that quick but using an exploit so he could show blizzard how it works/could be exploited

[@dmdiablo4]

fair enough, the leveling itself was 2 hours from 50-60 as big chilling gameplay so prob wont take long either way

[@Bynbrooke]

@@dmdiablo4 yeah, I'm slow at leveling and it took me maybe 2 hours to get to about 35 from scratch so I expect it to be 5-6 hours total

[@KnockdownCloud]

@@Bynbrookeon what difficulty? I want a challenge for the expansion when I start thinking starting hard until 25 then expert until I can do penitent? Is there a difference between these?

[@Archimedes1988]

Raxx is a narc

[@nicksanfilippo9513]

with the resist and armor hits going up torment levels...... they should add some vendors to each major region town that sells components and/or oils to apply on gear like Grim Dawn. could give a reason to maybe level up renown during a season. and with components, i would be just adding things like just +armor, +resist, maybe something like extra damage types. not all the other fun types that grim dawn, just basic stuff to help more with defense

[@simohayha435]

This is an amazing change. I hope they will keep like that and won’t make it easy

[@JustinEby-n2g]

It's like the whole game has been an early access release up until this point lol

[@gmee123]

And will continue to be.....this is a shell game at best. Carrot on a stick that you will never eat.

[@bloemen34]

Even tho i am addicted to poe. These first impressions actually do sound pretty nice

[@stephensmith4025]

There is no I in ancestral.

[@Folgers333]

That difficulty screen looks like they left room for four more difficulties. If they allow power creep and we a 100 difficulties im outta here

[@douglasduda9826]

That is how d3 was after the expansion. But honestly having something that is NOT a drop that gradually increases ur power is a good thing. That way, your not hitting a wall your slowly climbing it.

[@rosscurry3862]

I wonder if I'm the only guy who prefers the original diablo 3 inferno mode, where that was the hardest shit, everything you seen outside of the town already started higher than you. Having 10 tiers of torment that you can turn on and off just feels like a treadmile run, not challenging when you can just play more to beat it. Can someone help me understand why this is cool? idk

[@frznembo]

watched and dropped a like before asmon react to this ;)

[@KrugerFS]

Are we getting map overlay yet?

[@soaringbeef9473]

That with the torment levels doesn't that make more experiential builds less fun to play now?

[@Cynicv2]

Yes, because in order to survive and do optimal dps, you'll have to follow certain builds that hit all those checkpoints

[@KH-zo8zm]

No because people need to understand their experimental or off-meta builds won't be doing the hardest content in the hardest difficulty. If you want to play this way you need to use the meta builds which is fine. I'm a fan of balance but not everything needs to be equal.

[@douglasduda9826]

I am hoping the changes mean you can still use ur own builds or off meta ones and still do fairly well. We will have to wait and see though.

[@StandYourGround69]

Taking the D3 approach was the wrong direction. Lost me as a player. I may just be one player, but many more feel the same. The game was perfect in S5. It was simply lacking expanded end game content. Focusing so hard on reworking the entire game is shifting away the focus they need to put into more end game, and by more end game I mean they need to increase their end game content about 10,000% to compete with POE.

[@shawn4387]

Bye 😂

[@douglasduda9826]

Hmm my problem with Poe is I never knew when i was in endgame. I never felt like i finished the story for the 1000th time. Also they finally added a standard currency to the game...yay. (poe) I also was nota huge fan of the skill tree thing and how so many affixes were + this and minus that...if ANYTHING on ANYTHING is going to give me a NEGATIVE stat I better get one HUGE bonus for that shit. Most of them are Not. I played/tried poe a LOT over the 10+ years its been around and its improved but it took FOREVER. I do think their f2p model and such is good, I hate doing the story every fucking time over and over. I think them experimenting with new seasonal things and keeping them is good. Here i wish seasons was Adding new possible endgame activities and then keeping ones that people like. Biggest need in these games is more meaningful activities once u hit normal lvl cap.

[@jamescoffell887]

The resistance situation is kinda easy to solve with terials. I kept getting annoyed while masterworking the chest and got resist all and wound up with like 130+ resist all that solves basically all the resistance

[@JacobLeex]

I havent been this excited for Diablo since release

[@Plan9-3127]

Getting one shot is still the most frustrating thing in this game... Especially during a Helltide... Just bopping along doing good and then BAM! HALF YOUR SHIT IS GONE!!... I took a break for a couple of months and just recently came back. Everything is so messed up now... It's like I gotta learn the game all over again... Ugh... 😑

[@douglasduda9826]

Lol and again when this drops next month... Honestly my biggest things is being in s5 having a decently geared Andy rogue, i go into pit 112 and i have over 40k hp and i can still get 1 shot by a NORMAL mob...wtf my combined hp+barrier is 80k. I would have hoped this was going to be less of a thing it looks like its going to become more of a thing.

[@lemustache_]

as someone who played D3, this is a welcome changes, some kinda annoying after played D4 for months there's lot of changes but overall is OK

[@keiichi8191]

NOW you have to start thinking about defenses? Bro, the majority of my builds are currently focused on damage mitigation everywhere I can get it, and I STILL get one shot by an awful lot of stuff in Pit 100+ and Horde tier 8. I've BEEN thinking about defenses. This sounds like a nightmare. It sounds like I'll need to have armor, health, and elemental resistance on literally everything that can roll it so as to not get one-shot constantly, leaving nothing for actually putting together an enjoyable build. Unless they're making it so that getting to armor and resistance caps on its own actually provides all the protection you need in the highest tiers. That's the only way I can see this making any sense. If it remains like it is now where getting to the caps is just the baseline and you have to stack multiple sources of damage resistance on top to have any real survivability, this is going to be incredibly limiting.

[@Kaeganlad]

I’m not guna lie I love the new look of this….but I work 12 hour shifts….faaaaacccck….I want to be younger again with out adult responsibilities

[@mileshamblen9982]

On Tyrael's Might chest piece, does the 1,032 dmg occur for basic weapon attacks like Heart Seeker for rogue?

[@ElectroHouseTwizz]

yes, it says 'skill' which also include all basic skills

[@Riffraffgames]

It's always been the case that you need your items to be ancestral for you to put two tempers on them.

[@douglasduda9826]

Yes, his point being they are Much rarer. So it feels more meaningful to get them and get the 2 temper slots.