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[@philtkaswahl2124]

The fact that the little screw covering rubber feetsies aren't glued on and pulling the back open doesn't feel like you're defiling fragile plastic actually has me slackjawed in relatively positive surprise.

[@lilsammywasapunkrock]

Yet there is almost no reason to even open it. Why make one laptop where only one part can be replaced, the easiest to open?

[@JessicaFEREM]

@@lilsammywasapunkrock The problem is that it's impossible for them to not solder the ram on. ram speeds take a nosedive on SODIMM modules. realistically this is the most repairable they can get, at least until CAM is released I guess. the battery is also replaceable so realistically they made it as repairable as they possibly could.

[@lilsammywasapunkrock]

@@JessicaFEREM I mean kinda. I don't know if they made it easy to replace the keyboard or touchpad, the battery might be difficult to get out. I get it, it's essentially an entire computer on a chip, that is how ARM works. I am glad they did what they could, but it's the least effective package they could have possibly done it with.

[@cygnusghedepereu6885]

You ate the propaganda, did you test sodimm vs soldered? It’s all bulshit marketing anti-repair, they save a few cents for the slots

[@tjCooper88]

​@@lilsammywasapunkrockYou miss the point. It's meant for easier repairability

[@Psychx_]

Using the touchscreen boosting FPS may be a "touchboost" kind of thing. This is commonly used in Android smartphones: as soon as touch input is detected, CPU and GPU frequency are automatically increased for a while to ensure the device feels responsive to the user input.

[@BadHaddy]

Or he had dynamic 120/60hz screen refresh on and the game hated it. Pretty much only surface devices support it AFAIK. On my surface pro 8 it craps up lots of software not expecting it, so i disable it.

[@shadowlemon69]

They didn't fix that? Lol

[@IshayuG]

_INSANE_ to ship that on a PC! Of course it should respond to other inputs as well - what are they thinking?!

[@zedorda1337]

You think it is running the OS Android? Or do you think ARM is an Android based hardware? I just can not understand how you can insert Android into this. Why not talk about the touch boost Microsoft uses in all their touch devices. I mean at least Microsoft was involved with the development abit more than Google was.

[@IshayuG]

@@zedorda1337 i think the hardware itself is trying to power manage and does so based on the assumption of touch screen input. This may in fact be unfixable in software. I hope not!

[@pf100andahalf]

Customer: my game is stuttery Tech support: did you try touching the screen?

[@raven4k998]

I seriously expected better from ARM because intel and AMD can atleast do 20 to 30 fps with their low end gaming laptops how is ARM so bad ass if it cannot even match that?

[@pf100andahalf]

@@raven4k998 arm is not x86. They don't use the same instruction set so with arm, games have to go through a translation layer and it slows them down. It'll always be like that until games are written for arm instead of x86.

[@raven4k998]

@@pf100andahalf wait wait wait hold on a sec ARM uses Instructions😲 you have to be lying they make RISK CPU's that means no instructions that's why most games will not run on it because most games need and utilizes some cpu instructions and since arm has non it cannot handle running those games at all silly🤣

[@pf100andahalf]

@@raven4k998 You seem to not know how any of this works and you also seem to not really care how it works, you just want to say things.

[@v5hr1ke]

ARM-based hardware will run properly on ARM-supported software, and same goes for x86. It requires translations to run x86 software on ARM hardware. Imagine playing Cyberpunk 2077 on your Samsung phone. x86 and ARM are different instruction sets that are built for different kinds of hardware, and ARM is more suited for efficiency rather than power.

[@mikewifak]

I also perform better when someone periodically touches my face. Leads to some weird weekly meetings with my boss. Relatable.

[@joelcarson4602]

Insert obligatory DBZ Abridged "Goku and Freiza discuss happiness" video... "When you're Happy and you know it clap your hands" WHAP!-WHAP!

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

It's the opposite for me. Face touches lead to system crashes on me.

[@JessicaFEREM]

A while ago shareholders of MSFT started getting really mad that their laptops couldn't be repaired at all so microsoft pulled a 180 and made some reasonably well repairable laptops. a pleasant surprise for sure.

[@xrafter]

MSFT?

[@JessicaFEREM]

@@xrafter microsoft stock

[@FireFoxDestroyer]

That means if we convince shareholders to not invest in companies not promoting user repair, our problems will be solved

[@awii.neocities]

how long was "a while ago" we need those guys back

[@JessicaFEREM]

We're talking about laptops that are so unrepairable that the only way to get in them was to destroy the keyboard. definitely better than that now, but the only thing that can be repaired in that laptop was the keyboard/touchpad and the battery. the rest was soldered to the mainboard

[@alcatraz6275]

Laptop powered by it's touchscreen, very impressive

[@teslamick1592]

meanwhile apple : **quietly taking notes for 2035**

[@1centimetre]

Lenovo, HP and other Microsoft OEMs have been doing that for quite a while now. Most noticeably on their 2 in 1 devices. The great thing about Microsoft and its OEMs is that there is a healthy competition pushing each other to improve. Which was the goal of the Surface line way back in 2012. It was meant to get OEMs to be more creative rather than blindly follow Intel's 'Ultrabook' fetish.

[@tim3172]

Powered by... it is touch screen? What?

[@TNDandTMD]

its

[@Uomodargilla]

An r7 8845hs is still way more powered than this shit..

[@SiStockbridge]

That "you can raise a family" line was pure gold mate 🤣

[@davidmartineziii7343]

I lolled at that time and everyone in the room looked at me 🤣 I wonder how long he spends writing his scripts or if he has help…. Because his stuff since the early days has only gotten better with time 😁

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

it's a worthless pos computer because for the price anything of the same price can do 50 times better performance then that Microsoft pos computer😭😭

[@clem-1917]

Arm not ready wait for Leg.

[@DukenukemX]

Waiting for thick thighs edition.

[@kristoffer3000]

@@DukenukemX They have been hyped up to be able to save lives, I'm interested.

[@zenodezeno454]

Lmao

[@poeticsilence047]

I am more impressed with how easy it was to open the laptop. The magnetic "clips" are a nice touch.

[@CrumpetsNBiscuits]

yeah I fuking hate how secure and tight they make laptops. I couldn't even open my new victus, waiting for some plastic tools so I wont scratch it any further

[@angelaigs1133]

@@CrumpetsNBiscuits you can use an old credit/id card, worked for me so far.

[@joe--cool]

That's probably the only good thing about it. A door would've been enough though since the only thing that you can do inside is change the SSD.

[@1centimetre]

You can change the SSD, Speakers, Surface Connect Port, fan, batteries, heck even whole board if it ever gets damaged and you keep the rest of the device as is. Repairability, Upgradability don't always go together but this new line-up of devices help push forward Louis Rossmann's definition of "owning" a product.

[@joe--cool]

@@1centimetre That's what I call fixing. What upgrades are there on offer for the speakers? Repairability is great but that should be standard. The important part is: you cannot upgrade the RAM without a hot air station.

[@MrIssa2021]

3:48 I'm watching on PC

[@NonameEthereal]

Yeah, I never undestood the whole "watch on tiny screen" kinda thing people seem to like. :P

[@cosmicreaverkassadin1143]

I'm watching in my Samsung fridge 🌝

[@itsmilan4069]

​@@NonameEtherealever been on a packed public transport?

[@Neutron-pb4jl]

@@itsmilan4069 Obviously it makes sense when on the move, but way too many weirdos will watch on their phone when there's a TV or monitor option in their house. Like, I don't want to return to 50s watching things on a small screen.

[@NonameEthereal]

@@itsmilan4069 Yes. But I'm relatively certain "sitting in packed public transport" is not the main usage situation for KZbin. Statista lists 90% of YT visits as coming from Mobile users. I can tell you with 100% certainty that 90% of YT users are not currently on their bus or commuter train. ;) So clearly people prefer it for some other reason. Which does not make sense to me, unless the smartphone is literally their only YT-capable device.

[@joeys2234]

The artifacting is one thing with a compatibility layer, but GTAV running competently as long as the touchscreen is touched occasionally is absolutely bizarre! Hopefully means there's some kind of update they can do to make it much more stable. Not that I'd pick an ARM laptop as a gamer at this point but at least there's some kind of potential there for mixed-use.

[@Boris-Vasiliev]

The game should just be made for ARM, and not run in translation mode. I'm think at least half of its performance is missing because of translating programs in runtime.

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

​@@Boris-Vasiliev You make it sound so easy. I can believe GTA 6 would get an ARM update when that comes out, but the effort ain't worthwhile for 5.

[@Boris-Vasiliev]

@@DanielFerreira-ez8qd Its actually easy, if developers have full source code of the game. Most programs can be compiled for different platform by changing a few settings in compiler. For example, you can build the same game for Windows, MacOS and Android in Unity in just a few hours. And the biggest issue will be new UI for touchscreen, not OS to program compatibility.

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

@@Boris-Vasiliev It still takes a whole lot of time, and therefore a lot of effort. It's possible, but I don't think they'd sink more money in the game they're finally ready to sunset soon.

[@quixomega]

I think the artifacts are more likely from the GPU driver, that GPU is a whole new architecture for Windows and the drivers aren't very developed yet.

[@tehsimo]

That artifact looks like Dithering, where the renderer actually renders a checkerboard to halve the amount of work that needs to be done. Definitely prominent in most games with any kind of transparent objects, or just in general.. Usually it gets smoothed out by post effects or just being high resolution.

[@cloudiolology]

yeah was the default non turn offable taa missing?

[@Flopster101]

​@@cloudiolologyThe graphics drivers might be incompatible with the TAA implementation of some games. I also saw a similar issue on Intel graphics recently

[@dhruvrathod32]

that would actually look so cool if it didn't have motion blur and the game just had dithered graphics throughout. It would be a unique experience maybe a lil retro

[@chrishill7797]

*puts ear buds in, hides phone between monitors at work*

[@dustinhilltenor]

How I have not thought of this before is beyond me... Thank you, kind internet stranger. I am ordering some earbuds after this.

[@chrishill7797]

@@dustinhilltenor you’re welcome my friend

[@wargamingrefugee9065]

Chris, Dustin -- you two are fired! Now clear out your stuff and get out of my office! OUT! OUT! OUT! Oh, before you leave, where'd you get the buds? Those things look sweet!

[@chrishill7797]

@@wargamingrefugee9065 *turns volume up to 11 to dampen outside interference* 😂

[@chrishill7797]

@@wargamingrefugee9065 ear buds are from Amazonia matey

[@Covarr]

I really hope somebody at Microsoft and/or Qualcomm is watching this video. That touchscreen thing is so weird, and I can't imagine they ever notice it on their own to fix it.

[@MrHamncheez]

its intentional- your phone does it too. It makes the device more "responsive" during touch events and gives it better perceived performance

[@Cykadelia]

​@@MrHamncheez Intentional for PHONES where the ONLY way to use it is by touching the screen, definitely shouldn't be for a LAPTOP where your primary way of using it is via keyboard and mouse.

[@sergiocecilio5938]

finally! a real world test review! not just useless benchmarks

[@TheKazragore]

"Motion performance put to shame by an etch-a-sketch" was not an insult I was expecting to hear, but I'm going to have to find a way to steal it now.

[@Drycleanerguy]

Etch-a-sketch found it's way into a Weird Al song, too, "It's all about the Pentiums".

[@bierrollerful]

9:20 TIL Dawid has the touch that gives you 30 more FPS

[@raven4k998]

what the hell I thought arm was supposed to slaughter Intel and AMD and it does not better or worse then a cheap noob gaming pc

[@jamesbrendan5170]

@@raven4k998 what is this misconception??? most software (especially games) is written with only x86 in mind, so Intel and AMD chips will definitely still perform far better. ARM is not supposed to win against Intel/AMD in terms of raw power or whatever, and buying a Snapdragon laptop for gaming is like buying an Apple Silicon Mac for gaming. also, "cheap noob..."??? you shouldn't be shaming people with budget builds, dude.

[@raven4k998]

@@jamesbrendan5170 you say that arm has instructions which is why your wrong arm does not have instruction why do you think the error message on why that game won't start is because no avx that's an x86 instruction set also x86 can do division which arm cannot do which a lot of x86 games use whether or not you care it's used to make the games work more efficiently since arm cannot do division it cannot run games which use division or x86 instruction sets since the cpu cannot do that sort of crap also I am not shaming someone for buying on a budget I am shaming them for gaming on an arm when it cannot game withx86 games there's a difference when people on youtube says computers cannot do division I shame them for saying such a thing when x86 can do it without issue ARM is not all computers and when someone makes a video with the name all computers cannot do division that requires shaming people for that level of click baited stupidity

[@disposable_hero1725]

You got the Touch, You got the Power YEAHHHHH!

[@raven4k998]

@@disposable_hero1725 get an ARM if you don't think you can handle the power of X86😜🤣

[@Bohndigga]

Remember the rumors that this was faster than a 14900k? I do.

[@mintymus]

Sorta like how the 5090 "was only ONE MONTH away" back in May.... lol

[@kigasdj2]

It is faster than 14900K in single core probably. Also it is Plus variant, which is low end covariant. Top chip is Elite not Plus. Elite should be on par with any modern desktop PC in CPU power, bit yeah GPU is weak point. It really cannot game. Elite one would be more powerful though but it would fall behind AMD, Intel GPUs or even M3 gpu

[@Bohndigga]

​@@kigasdj2 4:47 why is it slower than the i7 7700k then? Rumors aren't to be trusted.

[@mintymus]

@@kigasdj2 So in summary, you have no clue what you're talking about.

[@kigasdj2]

​​@@mintymus yeah in summary I do, go and check this chip performance and compare it to i9 14900k single core performance, okay it's not faster but it close, Elite is like 10% difference only

[@cmoor7928]

I'm surprised that Arm is capable of playing games whatsoever. And through a translator? Arm has come a long way

[@Momfasa]

Not really how it was marketed though.

[@WazzoLazr]

@@MomfasaHow was it marketed? When there is a translation layer, you wouldn’t get the same performance as the native apps. I think industry will adapt to Arm architectures slowly but surely.

[@aiexzs]

the guy in the video really has no idea what he's talking about, for ARM this is actually great especially since this isn't a laptop made for running cyberpunk

[@mjlsosito]

The app was tested on Windows 11's revamped translation layer, Prism, which offers significantly improved performance for x86 apps running on ARM devices compared to the older translation layer introduced in Windows 10. While not all apps functioned flawlessly initially, I'm confident that Microsoft and Qualcomm are working closely to optimize the powerful Snapdragon X Series processors for maximum performance and efficiency.

[@darkelemental]

Tbf with respect to looking like a macbook..... There's only so many things you can simplify before they all look the same crappy shade of metal

[@itsdeonlol]

Dawid Does ARM Stuff!

[@justapassione5554]

The start of arm revolution.

[@SaitoGray]

Honestly kinda impressed. That thing must be pretty good at daily internet usage.

[@Heru3005]

Tbh the fact that an ARM chip without a dedicated GPU can run *any* of those games is highly impressive.

[@ehtasam2080]

Arm chip has dedicated gpu in a chip

[@xrafter]

​@ehtasam2080 I won't call this dedicated. It is integrated in one package with CPU, memory and its controller, media, video and audio codecs, and vector and npu co-processors. They can integrate alot of thing inside the what is called the SOC.

[@JessicaFEREM]

@@xrafter That's still dedicated. it's not all running in software emulation lmao

[@ehtasam2080]

@@xrafter a dedicated gpu integrated in an SOC

[@Heru3005]

Silly that this needs clarifying, but in modern parlance a "dedicated GPU" is synonymous with "discrete GPU". 🤦‍♂

[@thumbtak123]

The reason the USB-C port did not work with the drive, is some are only for charging and not data transfers. Some are also for data transfers and not charging. It all depends on how it is implemented.

No. Those are USB4 ports. Probably the enclosure is a multi mode one, and tried to use PCIe tunnelling, but the drivers for it were missing for ARM. With the USB A cable it must use USB data mode and presents itself as a mass storage device, which have standard drivers baked into windows.

[@chrismay2298]

Nonsense.

[@taylorshin]

Upgradable SSD! Even more, actually re-assemblable footpads!! I'm sold

[@jordandunn7357]

The fact that this thing boots cyber punk is amazing if you’ve owned a surface before. Pretty cool

[@ChilenonetoYoutube]

"Way too useful to exist in an Apple product" is, by far, the best sentence ever related to Apple things.

[@stevegonzales527]

And this is why you shouldn’t buy into the hype KZbinrs make about a product. So many videos were maid praising snapdragon and it being good and here are the results 😂

[@sollerhollersoulblade6126]

The games are probably not working because touch screen settings are enabled. I am surprised he didn't try tell windows to switch it off maybe then the games would work. Just a idea not saying it will but I would try that.

[@darranrowe174]

Some of them were failing to work for other reasons. Like one of them failed due to NProtect Game Guard, which loads a driver. Another failed because it was explicitly checking for AVX capabilities, and ARM64 uses the NEON instruction set.

[@gtijason7853]

Also using MSI Afterburner / RivaTuner has known problems. For now better to use Windows Frame counter only

[@Gokul_Yt]

The GTA V bug maybe has something to do with being on windowed borderless than fullscreen. The frametime bug happens when it is on windowed borderless so

[@stefaniordache3795]

0:03 I don't know what you're talking about, a PowerPoint update is very exciting

[@indee7142]

20 years of technological advancement has brought us to the gaming performance of 2000s...

[@Saji_0]

I'm really skeptic about the translation layer even for work stuff, If they don't improve it significantly, it would just self destruct like windows rt and buried in Macrohard trash again

[@nonyabusiness-f9e]

the fact that this thing runs cyberpunk at all is quite frankly amazing. imagine a chip like this (or slightly better) in your standard phone in a few years.. insane. with the massive adoption of these chips it seems like only a matter of time before arm is the standard in the "cpu" space.

[@burrfoottopknot]

They are decent when running native code / APi but the translation layer looks half baked at best

[@mintymus]

An Intel or AMD x86 with an iGPU runs it way better...

[@martinbernath]

What do you call a massive adoption? Few models of broken laptops that are more expensive than a decent x86 laptop with a dedicated gpu? Not that im a fan of apple, but their arm transition worked because they have control over hardware and software. Microsoft can barely do software these days. Remember windows RT? These arm laptops will die out just like windows arm tablets did when windows 8 was a thing.

[@dudeguy8553]

@@martinbernath So long that Apple Silicon exists, Microsoft and other Windows PC vendors will keep trying to compete with Apple in the ARM department. If these products existed in a vacuum, where there was no competition in the ARM PC/Laptop space, then yeah they'd just fall flat on their face after a few sloppy generations. Also true on the software part. Windows 11 is like a dystopian nightmare full to the brim with bloatware.

[@boynextdoor931]

You could already run cyberpunk on the snapdragon gen 3phones. It was kinda stuttery but playable.

[@davidruttan713]

I see you have armored core 6 in your steam library. Liked, subscribed, developed parasolcial relationship with.

[@thomasbezak1090]

Totally won't be swept under the rug and abandoned like the past ten Microsoft ARM product attempts.

[@darranrowe174]

Does that "last ten Microsoft ARM product attempts" include the Surface Pro X and the Surface Pro 9? They have actually been ramping the tablets up since 2019 so they are releasing this knowing that they have a market. The interesting thing this time is that they are putting much more power into the devices.

[@ToTheGAMES]

You are right, it wont. ARM is gonna be big as desktop/laptops in the coming years.

[@GraveUypo]

this isn't microsoft though, it's qualcomm. arm desktop is inevitable. i mean, it doesn't necessarily mean it'll be the best option, but who's going to complain about extra options?

[@potatomongrel]

Oh no getting bad windows 8 RT vibes from this shit. We were told never to recommend the 1st gen Surface to corporate clients from the get go.

[@darranrowe174]

@@potatomongrel This isn't the first generation of anything. Microsoft has had ARM64 Surface devices out since 2019. That was when they originally released the Surface Pro X. What's more, the ARM64 version of Windows isn't a locked down mess. It has similar capabilities to the x64 version, meaning that you can run third party unsigned binaries on it. With the Surface device I have, you can even disable Secure Boot in the firmware, and at that point, you can use any ARM64 UEFI bootloader.

[@Flymonster0953]

"The phone you're watching this video on" Me on my pc:

[@cueball981]

The one arm 💪 poking out of things reminds me of Strongbad's Trogdor creation, burninating those pesky peasants!

[@itsuadman]

Takes me way back to the old days of the internet lol because who didn't love the burninator?

[@Boogie_the_cat]

​@@itsuadmanI never heard of Trogdor, until I saw him on Matt McMuscles channel. Not everyone was into Strong Bad, okay... And that's not "early days" of the Internet. Early days of the Internet was hamster dance, geocities, and before that, bulletin boards accessed by a 14.4 kbps modem Please don't insult your elders by pretending that "your" early days of accessing the Internet were THE early days of the Internet. Makes ya sound kinda zoomer-ish and Apple-brained (hare-brained, but more expensive)

[@smudgeous4068]

​@@Boogie_the_catTrogdor was born in early 2003, Hamsterdance in the latter half of 1998. While ~4.5 years apart, both happened prior to late 2003 when the Internet hit 50% usage among developed countries. You could easily argue anything prior to that point is "the old days of the internet" just as easily as Hamsterdance which came out ~15.5 years after the internet's official birth date.

[@burnitdwn]

Im still bitter about laptops not having easily removable batteries, socketed CPUs, and tons of different I/O ports like 90s and early 00s laptops had. I do like the magnets and only needing 4 screws to access the internals, but, overall this just seems like an overpriced appliance, kinda like an apple product.

[@Vtarngpb]

Wait, Power Point has an update ?!?!? 🤤

[@mikearisbrocken8507]

Same thought, I hope it is easier to make macros on it now.

[@RusRus72]

securety updates exist coming from a guy who pirated office

[@tcaqueli5]

I actually watched this on a little GPD Win mini, a wee little pc loaded up on roids. its an impressive handheld

[@SectorfiveYT]

try running minecraft, java runs natively on arm.

[@tdm3bros]

if only there was a way to buy from micro center outside the USA

[@YounusRizwan0]

It's funny that all the tech KZbinrs I know are being sponsored by Micro Centre, I never heard of them outside of KZbin.

[@robertcastanpn288]

Cuz there a tech place they know where there audience is

[@Drycleanerguy]

They are great. I drive 3 hours to see them every year or two. Good prices, and better if you apply for an "Insider card", which gives you 5% off everything (even specials), or 6 months to pay, interest free (your choice). Great service and selection, too. Imagine a Best Buy. Lose the appliances and non-computer stuff. Make the aisles narrow, and put in a lot more shelves. then pack the shelves to the ceiling with an endless selection of stuff, and add some commissioned service people who love computers, and love helping people to select what is right for them, and you've got a Micro Center..

[@awii.neocities]

They're in the US only.

[@chrismay2298]

Microcenter? Just because you're a Brit doesn't mean corporate names change...😂

[@Deja117]

Growing up playing and learning programming through GTA SA... I can't comprehend the amounts of pain that it brings me to see it not run on this laptop, but run okay (ish) on the old laptop I have from 2008 hiding in a corner, slowly rotting away.

[@GeraldThicc]

Dont know if you knew dueing the video, but the windows power plan/mode has a huge effect on performance.

[@dirg3music]

I have a feeling a lot of the problems in here are related to drivers, especially the fact that touching it suddenly fixed the frametimes. I think given a generation or two to work the kinks out i can see these being compelling for laptops

[@MarcosCodas]

As a Gen1 Surface Laptop owner, I am happy to see there are now screws and you don’t need to destroy the laptop to change a battery. And the death of the pseudo Alcantara keyboard top! Thank goodness.

[@nonyabusiness-f9e]

i know this may be a long shot but can we get a micro centre in like... hamilton, ontario? hell i would be willing to suffer if it was in toronto...

[@djsnowpdx]

The best game on the planet right now, a certain factory builder, got arm support almost a year ago. It would also run great on this laptop because it’s system requirements are approximately half of one potato. I tried running this game on a 2014 MacBook Air, and even that managed 30 FPS.

[@alyessamaddox7022]

I recognized that "phasing in" visual effect the moment you said it--that wasn't prism, that's the auto SR feature of the laptop kicking in, and... not working great. I've had it pop in on a couple of games I've played--and how I've fixed it is by changing the rendering resolution of the game, and then changing it back. That usually gets rid of the errors for me. I bet turning on FSR did something similar.

[@justbubba4373]

I got a Galaxy Book a couple months before the whole "new snapdragon windows arm" takeoff lately. It's cool for experimentation and development, but that's about it. Compatibility is a nightmare, even with the Windows native x64 and OpenGL compatibility layers (which I had to go out of my way to find and install)

[@NoName-bg2om]

Good job Microsoft! You made it easy to get into the laptop. 🤣

[@fedfed96]

1990s performance levels. this is a complete joke. I don't care that this laptop is "not for games". It's abysmal, that a laptop from 2024 can't run 15 years old games.

[@TitaniumEye]

"Something which normally would be about as exciting as a powerpoint update" - six seconds in and already liked the video. New record.

[@PyroCatus]

The only thing i can praise this is the easily removable bottom cover, too bad it only has one m.2 slot though.

[@IM1deadMONEY]

"Luckily my fortune changed with Cyberpunk. Wow! That's *really* terrible!" 😂😂😂

[@unknown183]

Imagine these snap chips are put into TVs, next thing you know, you got windows 11 pre-installed on your Bravia.

[@InsanityPlusOne]

Imagine having to tap your tv every few seconds to keep the framerate of whatever you are watching smooth.

[@unknown183]

@@InsanityPlusOne Some people do that now. Some high end tvs with low end chips are terrible at even just streaming lol

[@randomweirdyoutubechannel8955]

Give it a few years and id imagine gaming on these arm based windows machines would be genuinely ok

[@MarkZukkininberg]

When I have a bunch of other videos to watch you always take precedence over everyone else

[@markusTegelane]

PowerPoint updates are always exciting, I don't know what you were on about at the beginning

[@doctorqwerty]

I did not expect you to do one of these videos on the new Windows on ARM devices so soon

[@poeticsilence047]

He's moving up in the world. 😢

[@2400dimension]

The touch screen frame rate issue is something that happens on the ROG Ally with Lego Skywalker Saga. I don't understand it but you have to tweak how the computer reads the game in relation to the touch screen.

[@RandomRider570]

Could you try hooking up an external GPU to it to see if the graphical glitches go away?

[@FloppaAppreciationSociet-ds7zf]

I don't think NVIDIA nor AMD even have ARM drivers for Windows available. They definitely do have some for Linux but: 1. All Windows on ARM devices have locked-down bootloaders, so you literally can't install Linux, 2. I don't think there is a Rosetta-like compatibility layer for Linux, so games wouldn't work anyway.

[@commander3494]

I wonder if its gonna be at all possible to connect an external GPU. Other arm cpus like the raspberry pi's are _really_ picky with those, most gpus just wont work.

[@danielharvison7510]

@@FloppaAppreciationSociet-ds7zf There is actually arm to x86 virtualisation in the linux world, has been for awhile. But the locked-down bootloaders really are the main spanner in the works here. Unsure how you'd go jailbreaking them. I'd like to see how linux performs on these laptops.

[@darranrowe174]

​@@danielharvison7510 @FloppaAppreciationSociet-ds7zf The strange thing is that the Surface Pro X at the very least allows you to disable Secure Boot, with that disabled the firmware is just UEFI. Secondly, the boot loader that Windows 10/11 on ARM64 is the regular UEFI bootloader that you use for x64 too. I find it hard to believe that they would have blocked this on newer devices.

[@johnt.848]

@@FloppaAppreciationSociet-ds7zf Lucky the games don't run directly on ARM then, they use Windows' emulation layer for ARM to run the games. So an E-GPU should technically work.

[@danmar007]

What did we learn today? Well, we learned that Microsoft's new laptop is as good as ... Windows.

[@kenktheGD]

I for one support Microcenter's rise to dominance.

[@maolcogi]

I am simple man. I see Dawid, I click on Dawid, I watch Dawid, I press like button for Dawid. I am simple man.

[@turrican4d599]

I was, too. But not anymore since I saw his Plasma TV gaming video last night.

[@hill2hell]

Pretty much how it's supposed to be actually, people thought they could make a cellphone as fast as a mobile laptop cpu, but in reality they've just made a laptop as slow as a cellphone. 🤣

[@another3997]

One thing you can't accuse these high end ARM chips of is being slow. When you consider these games were running through an x86 emulation layer, it's pretty astonishing performance. ARM and x86 are very different architectures.

[@GraveUypo]

@@another3997 the cpu is fast, but the GPU in these things is pretty damn slow. that's why the gaming performance is terrible. the compatibility layer only costs ~10% of performance compared to native apps --- when it works

[@hill2hell]

yes pretty impressive that it runs the games, but making compatibility patches for software affects performance too. So after compatibility patches will the performance improve or get worse?

[@TabalugaDragon]

it's not just about how fast it is, it's also about stability, many of the things are just not supported at all.

[@TabalugaDragon]

@@another3997 some youtubers showed it's like 10% performance loss, so not impressive compared to Intel and AMD iGPUs, especially considering that those have stable, working drivers.

[@tobiasstamenkovic9628]

No, no... That initial joke was actually pretty good. 20 seconds in and already a thumbsup, gj mate.

[@vangelis7]

Santa clara california is getting a microcenter too !

[@RustedCroaker]

My condolences

[@Zxanonblade]

Wait really? Nice!

[@vangelis7]

@@Zxanonblade yup q3/q4 2024 i believe

[@JustJoshTech]

Great video Dawid

[@azurezzz]

Love your videos sir!

[@r34ztune11]

To be honest, for a glorified phone CPU/iGPU, this is a pretty great result. The 40ish FPS in GTA V is 10fps better than my Phenom II X4 / HD5750 1GB GDDR5 managed in 2015 (even tho that was much smoother). Still, this ARM stuff is bad for us enthusiasts as the focus seems to be on making everything soldered and unupgradeable.

[@frequentfrenzied]

Everything being soldered is more of an ultrabook thing than an Arm thing. All of the x86-64 based machines are doing the exact same thing. They are focused on making everything as thin as possible, so daughter boards and the easy upgradeability that they bring are out. The good thing is that hardware requirements are not rising anywhere near as fast as they used to be for the type of workloads that machines like this are built to handle, so you don't really need to upgrade the computer during the typical life-span anymore as long as it was reasonably spec'd to begin with. Still, if you are worried about that, then hopefully Framework will release a compute module with an ARM processor on it as they always make their computers as upgradeable as possible.

[@kiki83607]

@@frequentfrenzied not really, snapdragon only supports LPDDR5 soldered memory, so normal DDR5 with replaceable memory will not be available even for a big laptop like 17', on Intel or AMD you can buy a a laptop with replaceable DDR5 memory modules, framework laptop it's a total BS with proprietary BIOS/UEFI

[@Jopekos]

For now it's just a compatibility issue, i hope that in the future more games will receive support for this architecture, it is very promising. 🤞

[@Jsong-tc5oj]

Is it just me, or does the thumbnail face remind you of hide the pain Harold?

[@sanketsbrush]

11:09 we learned , never buy a laptop which never showed gaming/rendering tests but claiming to be the best.

[@OmegaEnvych]

to be fair, when I bought my M1 Macbook Air, in one year of using it on MacOS 11 and MacOS 12 I had more Kernel Panics than shots of booze I ever drank... And I was quite a drinker few years back

[@kiki83607]

you should return to the store for a warranty

[@Hikari_to_Yuri]

The first Dawid video I watched was him gaming on the cheapest surface. It's cool to see this video. Reminds me of when I first discovered the channel.

[@ethanpschwartz]

"Vendor Issues" is the gaming company's way of saying, "Did you seriously just buy Microsoft hardware?"

[@chrisgg80]

I just don't understand how companies get away with charging upwards of $1,200 for a mobile processor and the idea that *maybe* your programs will be compatible... I would rather just buy a normal computer

[@denisruskin348]

Seems to be under M1 GPU capabilities. That´s a fail if you ask me, considering it releases in mid 2024.

[@adamgyra8387]

Basically no game has support of arm that's the problem

[@rafradeki]

This is stock arm gpu so the performance is about the same you would find in an average android phone

[@johnt.848]

The issue is the games don't run natively on ARM, they use an emulator which drastically affects performance.

[@-Burb]

@@johnt.848Yeah, and the M-series chips are also ARM, along with needing to have a second translation layer on top to convert Windows binaries to MacOS and they still perform better… I was really hoping for these Snapdragon chips to be good but the results are extremely poor.

[@Jdbye]

The reasonable way to read a book using Google Translate honestly would probably be to scan every single page, translate all of them with Google Translate and convert them into a PDF to either print out or stick on your phone/e-reader tablet or whatever. Definitely not using the phone app to awkwardly snap a pic and translate and read one page at a time.

[@flat_stickproductions209]

I was interested but ended up with an 8840HS Ultrabook and my 4090 machine at the house.

[@PyroCatus]

10~20% worse battery life for better compatibility and performance. An easy choice to make.

[@ALmaN11223344]

@@PyroCatus Correct, and per the Phawx it's even generating more performance per watt under load than the paltry SDX. Apple retains ARM dominance for now, maybe in a few years Qualcomm can get competitive there like they did with Snapdragon 8 Gen 3.

[@calebmenker988]

Good choice, these new apu's from amd are quite impressive and clearly arm on windows is just not there yet

[@flat_stickproductions209]

@@calebmenker988 it's good if you are looking for a Mac like experience. Edit a video or photo and just have GPT write your papers.

[@flat_stickproductions209]

@@PyroCatus in context though the 8000 and new Ryzen are still good on battery 10-16 hours, that's far longer than I need away from a plug.

[@mi1stormilst]

"You can raise a family in the time..." That was an all time greatest quote.

[@faruknane]

You got a new laptop with ARM based chip, so all you did is playing games? What type of review is this?

[@banepigeon]

A gaming review 💁‍♂️

[@serhii_himself_98]

For all you switch enjoyers - that's about what switch 2 is capable of, well maybe 50% since tegra has pretty great gpu components...

[@noobhacker101]

He lives. The NAS did not drive him completely mad. Yet.

[@DctrGizmo]

Props to Microsoft for not using glue!

[@13bmitchell]

Cyberpunk 2077 running on an ARM SOC on Windows 11 and getting 14 FPS despite all the jank.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

But on the same low resolution, even the Steam deck run the game better.. and it's cheaper too..

[@waltervalente262]

This video was a condensed version of experience with using surface devices

[@nickbraiuca3727]

Yeah, arm chips are very overrated always nice to see an honest review, unlike every other reviewer who got a new snapdragon elite machine

[@arcadeguyceej6805]

Kind of actually impressive for an ARM based machine, really.

[@Don-nc3qp]

the way he compared it to a powerpoint update😂

[@floydlooney6837]

I never expected ARM chips to get that good. I thought of them the same way I think of old Celerons or Semprons. lol. Never thought Qualcomm would enter this CPU market

[@kiki83607]

almost every Android phones has them on the past few years, so comparing to Celerons or old 20 years Semprons it's total pointless

[@TheRagingSerpent]

What you are experiencing in the games is most likely shader / JIT code compilation happening in the background. As for the visual artefacting it is most likely a bug caused by differences in graphics hardware, a simple rounding error in the generated shaders can cause odd visual issues. For the games refusing to launch they are most likely silently closing as they assume that any x86 cpu trying to run them would support AVX instructions which are supported by pretty much any CPU out there that can run W10/11. Prism either does not report AVX instruction support when the program checks if they cpu supports them or they are not supported at this time. if the CPU is identified as "Westmere" which is Intel Core 2nd gen in CPUID then Prism not supporting AVX instructions is most likely why some games refused to boot.

[@slashshooter003]

1. Play GTA VI 2. Touchscreen felt lonely without your touch. 3. Touch the screen 4. Touchscreen won't feel lonely, for a while...

[@justinbouchard]

i had a piggy bank shaped like a dog in 1990 that used a stopper just like those feet

[@mk-wz2sh]

4:42 Cinebench R20 does not natively support ARM, but Cinebench 2024 already has both x86 and ARM versions for Windows, so you could check and compare native performance and how much it drops due to emulation

[@corsairsofnarshaddaa]

I literally melted an Intel-powered Surface Pro trying to run SWTOR a few years ago. Like literally, literally. RMA'd it because the mobo melted. The replacement was possessed by demons and I RMA'd that one too. 3rd one suffered the dreaded "screen bubble" and I just gave up and got a Dell laptop.

[@toaf6467]

docking one of my old school surfaces i normaly have to turn off the touch function AND the display on the surface it self. they have allways had some odd "self touch" stuff while playing real games