I want YOUR INPUT on UPCOMING BUILDS; What MODS do you want DYNO TESTED??

In this out-of-order video, I am hoping for some input from all y’all on the direction of some of the saws that we have to work on. I am open to the direction of the Stihl MS461, the Husqvarna 455, the Poulan PR5020 (to a certain extent as it WILL be built toward a Sawfest Cheap Saw Shootout entry); we will also repair the Stihl 034AV and the Stihl MS210.
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[@Houseworksaws]

I enjoy showing off the inside of my builds. I’m not good at saying it so I do slide shows. It gives people a chance to stop the vid and study it and many people are “show me” type learners. I appreciate guys like you that have this wonderful ability of both explaining and showing.. anyways your channel will always continue to grow especially now that you’ve got professional saws like the famous 461. Thanks for the great content.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@Houseworksaws Thanks for the nice words, Matt!! I like differences; I can learn either way, but pick up different things my looking than I pick up my listening; I like your videos for JUST that reason; some things I need to hear and some things I need to see. I agree that the 461 will make some good videos as the first "pro" saw; I've got a Stihl 440Mag and 660 (clone that I've had for ~12-15 years... way before they were abundant), but I've never shown them on the channel. I think a mix of "common" saws that every beginner has and some Pro saws will make a good mix. Matt, thanks again for the encouraging words and for stopping in!!

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

Merry Christmas All Y'all!! 🛐

[@Houseworksaws]

Merry Xmas 🎄

[@raynheath450]

@HayChaffandSawdust1 then is an easy saw to live with or sell with dyno paper work 🤔

[@raynheath450]

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 merry Christmas

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@raynheath450 Ooooh, now you're tempting my greedy side!! 🤑

[@jamesconn7311]

Merry Christmas !! Enjoyed the vid , i am glad Ya called it Polan !! & not a Poo lon !! hahaha which ever way Ya go is alright with me !! I learn something new everyday !!

[@harrybrandt2462]

Love your videos, not only are they informative to the guy thats still learning, but your humor makes them pure entertainment as well. They're worth watching just for that.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@harrybrandt2462 I do appreciate the kind words... honest!!! We ALL have contributed to having a nice place to hang out couple of times per week. You and all the others sure make this place what it is!! Thanks for stopping in and jawing a bit!

[@redtiller1975]

Go as crazy as possible with the Poulan. Make the 461 into a hot firewood saw and port the 455 to be a strong one

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@redtiller1975 I don't know if you're just telling me what I want to hear, but that's EXACTLY where I wanted to direct each saw. Thanks for stopping in and joining in!!

[@redtiller1975]

@ it’s what I would do if I had those saws for those activities

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

Merry Christmas 🎄🎁! Hope you and yours had a good time! That there 461 is an easy-peasy gainer provided shes all tight from the get go. I’ve built quite a few of em and they will easily outrun a stock (and some ported) 500is with a few well placed mods. I just used some riffler files and “blueprinted” the cylinder - just make her flow a fuzz more and polish the exhaust to a mirror finish and she’ll come alive like nobody’s business. Dukes saw salvage down in PA has a .006 performance gasket for about $2 that’ll give ya a lil better MSV without breaking the bank. I saw a guy across the pond , Luttys chainsaws iirc, and he’s got some neat idears on the pipes - on the Ironhorse style piper instead of a 90 square end he uses a “sonic cone” welded to the front - food for thought here !

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@fabzacres-blackcat Thanks!! We had JUST what I wanted... no costly gift exchange, but a very loud dinner table filled with kids, laughter, and conversation... perfection!! I hope the smashed-up 461 is tight; I vac/pressure tested, visually checked from cracked cases/paint and possible leaks from engine to oil tank; I think I dodged the bullet. I bought a pig in a poke, so I still am not sure; still awaiting parts; hope I don't have to buy case halves. I think we may start with external mods that anyone with basic tools can accomplish before moving on to the innards; I saw one or two of Luty's muffler mods; interesting concept; not sure if his gains are realistic, but I'm not one to squabble about his numbers. Merry Christmas 🛐

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

@ well, in regards to Luttys hi-performance tube bypass pipes I cannot say for certain as I’ve never built one. I CAN say that the Ironhorse style DID seem to benefit from the sonic cone vs the straight wall end. Might be an interesting concept to try out ? Maybe i.d. thread the end of the pipe (or tap it if ya gots one big enuff) and have screw-in caps or just use set screws with a very slight interference fit … might be the “rainbows end” 🤷… nice project to try on a wintry cold day when ya can’t do nothin outside , especially with your favorite cold beverage of choice 😉

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@fabzacres-blackcat I did put an angled stopper on the end of the last tube; it worked well, too. Can't say if it worked better or worse than a straight cap as I only built one; my feeling for the volumes of each pipe is beginning to look promising. We sure might try some different pipes on once of these upcoming builds... it gives me an ice-cream headache to think too much though... been trying to avoid ciphering as much as possible 😉🙄

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 Right! Lotta “cryptic posts” going round here on the boob tube 😂🤣

[@Macgyver-ranch]

Since you're a data guy, I can see you doing a dynamic ignition timing effects video using your dyno and a timing light. A bonus would be the effects of limited coil vs. unlimited. I know it's in the weeds a bit, and it's probably a lighting and filming nightmare. I would check the view count on Dyno Joe's related video. Maybe there is limited interest in the topic.

[@TheJohnDeereGuy]

Merry Christmas. I'd build a hot work saw out of it. Some machining. Good numbers and an exhaust mod to get the heat out. And of course dyno along the way to see what a bigger saw likes. Take it easy. Say hi to the dogs for me.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@TheJohnDeereGuy Oh, those dogs are having a good day; lots of scraps and plenty of petting... even got some new toys to play with. I think you are right on the money; working up to a hot firewood saw while taking the opportunity to dyno along the way. Hope all is well with all y'all and have/had a very nice Christmas!

[@richardwarn3706]

Enjoy all ur video's.With the Frankenstein saw, high torque at midrange rpm with the 461. I'll be watching no matter direction you take it.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@richardwarn3706 Ahhh, a man after my own heart; low rpm/high torque fits me and my sawing "style" (or lack of), too. A good diesel chainsaw with a swamp-pipe for leverage would suit me just fine!! Thanks for the advice; sure glad you're here!!

[@nseric1233]

Build the 455 into a hot firewood saw and the 5020 into a race/play saw. I think they're pretty similar under the plastics, you could also show the differences between the two. Those saws are pretty easy and cheap to get so they should get some views. The key to getting views on modding chainsaws is to mod saws people can easily get. The 461 is up to you, if you want another saw for cutting firewood, gear it up for that, if you dont, build a race type saw.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@nseric1233 Thanks!! I think it's dandy advice on the common-saws; I've also considered that for two reasons.... the bigger logging saws are fairly well covered on YT, and I don't particularly need/want logging saws; I'm a farmer/firewood guy. The Husq is well on its way to beign a sportier firewood saw; I haven't struck a lick at the 5020 yet, and waiting on parts for the 461. You gave me some direction that I can follow!! Thanks again for stopping-in and joining-in!

[@happy8637]

Definitely curious about the bearing pocket deal you got me intrigued for sure... You know on the 461 it would be good to just see the difference say someone just starting from stock to base gasket removal and slight port work on the dyno or maybe no port work and just muffler mod. Maybe it would help some people that are afraid to start working on saws what you could gain with simple tools

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@happy8637 Perfect advice!! I did the 026 that way and have began doing the 455 that way (14 videos behind right now on the 455 and other stuff). I really like doing the small stuff first and doing dyno testing with each step; I wanted to start the 461 by doing stuff without taking the engine apart (muffler, ignition timing, air filter, etc). It will be tricky to do JUST enough porting (when the time comes) that I can still do machine work; I wanted to save machine work for past due to lathes are probably the last thing that saw porters purchase. Good advice; thanks for jumping in and sharing!!

[@jaysparrowhawk9388]

Hey seasoned greetings, I’d like to see things that every day folk can do for themselves. The 461 needs to run before you port it. You can’t tune a saw that don’t run! Whatever you get up to I’m happy to watch.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jaysparrowhawk9388 Thank you for the vote of confidence; I built the 026 step-by-step and dyno tested most things along the way; I could do the same with the 461... stock then muff mod, then timing adv, then base gasket delete, etc... and dyno each gain so that, someone who isn't yet comfortable porting, can learn and try the beginning steps? I never know and wonder if I take too long to do a build and lose interest by taking the small steps; it's nice to know that people like to see the "beginning" stuff as well as hair-brained schemes. Thanks for the advice!!

[@jaysparrowhawk9388]

@ I like that idea, I have watched all of your videos on the 026 and it would be good to see the same with the 461. Anyone who thinks you can get the most out of a tune in one go is either a tuning god or arrogant beyond belief. I’m sure the likes of Donny Walker and the Ironhorse have only got to where they are by development over many years and possibly many failures. It’s all about adding up the small gains, some folk may not have the means to do everything that’s possible, your 026 series showed many tricks that your every day guy can do to make improvements. By doing it a step at a time a tune can evolve, it was really interesting to see each step on the dyno and the gains achieved. Keep up the good work

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jaysparrowhawk9388 Thanks Jay; I was afraid that the step-by-step video of the 461 might seem like a "rerun" of the 026. I'm all for it; we may try different stuff in a different order, but stacking (learning) small gains is a passion to me. Thanks again!!

[@JeffreySimundson]

I really believe in pinching the bridge between the lower transfers when it's there. Thinning it as much and as equally as possible. I bevel lower transfers to feed as much as I can while still keeping within the crankcase. I tried taking apart that style poulan to play with and couldn't even bring myself to play with it .. all the power to ya on that poulan. 461 Stihl is a nasty one stock or worked.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@JeffreySimundson Were you talking about pinching the bridge on the Husky or on the 461? I think it's good advice for both. I think the poulan will get treated very badly; I'm beginning to believe that everyone here wants to see it VERY hot or exploded!! I'm anxious for the remainder of my parts to arrive for the 461; I think it will be very fun and rewarding to build.

[@JeffreySimundson]

@HayChaffandSawdust1 bridge on 455 husky! I imagine it good for all or any! I've no inside of a jug experience with a 461 other than dismantling one NUKED one and giving it back. May the hottest poulan win. Whether it melts or not. Love an experiment.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@JeffreySimundson Ok; I think I've got an ideal on the lowers on the husky to try pretty soon. I don't know if I'm good enough to make a poulan eat its own guts, but we'll try. I've got some hopefuls for that!!

[@JeffreySimundson]

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 I'll take a cylinder off and hmm and ha all day. Maybe 2 days. Then I just gotta start grinding! I hope n bet I see you do well! 😁

[@TheGreasyShopRag]

Merry Christmas!

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@TheGreasyShopRag Merry Christmas Scott; tell your silent partner I wish him the best too!! Hope your day is filled with family and laughing loudness!!

[@mattw5729]

Merry Christmas Sir, I'd like to see a good torque firewood saw on the 461! I think the 034 is a great saw for firewood as well, I put a 036 top end on 1 of mine. It would be neat to see a port job on the 034. Thanks for your time sharing with us. There is a fine line between worthless and useless😅

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@mattw5729 Merry Christman 🛐 Matt!! The 034 isn't mine; I already ported and piped one for his dad (with 036 top end); he wants this one stock... not even a muffler mod; I've just been tasked with getting it running, but will dyno it for a reference saw. Torque build on the 461!! *IF* I do a few different steps (like we did with the ) 026, I think we can make a torque build along the way... we can either stop there, or make a faster saw to see which we like better. Sound like a plan!! Thanks for being here!

[@Kevin.L_]

I'm just along for the ride. It's all interesting. My only advice would be take each saw in slightly different directions. Merry Christmas!

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@Kevin.L_ Always glad to have you in the co-pilot chair!! I think you're right... different directions is a grand idea! I have different plans for each, so trying different stuff/builds is a good plan!

[@bigmoustacheal3295]

I, for one, really like firewood saws that are moderately hoped up for a trouble-free, better than stock experience! I'm 100% sure that whichever road you decide to take them down, we will see awesome things. By the way, Merry Christmas to you guys!

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@bigmoustacheal3295 I think that's a fine plan!! We may not stop there, but we can surely stop as a good reliable firewood saw for awhile. It was a fine Christmas; tables filled with loud laughter is the best!! Hope all y'all have a fine Christmas also!!

[@jamiedalluge9472]

Hey is this quick dick's dad??

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jamiedalluge9472 Missed the reference; KZbin had your comment hidden as "potentially offensive"; I figure I'm knowing you well enough to know that you were referring to a person and not an appendage.

[@jamiedalluge9472]

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 that's funny actually lol. The guys got a KZbin channel using that name and hus dad,big mustache Al,has a semi regular appearance on it. Oh the world we live in nowadays

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jamiedalluge9472 Oh, I know!! It's partly my fault; I have my filter set to "moderate" or something like that because of the fact there a few (more and more) families that watch together. It will let a mild four-letter adjective thru, but it does flag one or two every month or two. Thanks for clearing up the reference; I just KNEW there was one! I guess we're in YT's house, so we will play by their rules... like it or not.

[@SepticWhelk]

It would be nice to see what you could DO with an 088 ! they are rated at about 8.6 horse but ( I believe ) lol mine is more than that , it will pull a 48" full chisel bar in oak , No rocking back and just straight through the way you and me cut wood ,the chain speed and the giant pile of hot chips up your leg is a tiny bit scary . i love it ! Can you imagine one with MORE POWER !!!

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@SepticWhelk Oh man!! I couldn't imagine working on an 088; think of all of the room to work on upper transfers and stuff! I've never ran one of them, but I bet I would want to put a 13-speed transmixer behind it and pull hay wagons!! ... and Oh, my poor aching ol wore out body would HATE toting it from tree to tree; my 660 gets old quick!! 😟 Good stuff!!

[@crazyfeller5704]

👍👍 merry Christmas- go with your gut on the builds.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@crazyfeller5704 I'm like a kid in a candy store with $100 dollars... no matter what I choose, I'm gunna have fun!! I'm such a slipshod hack that I don't even have expectations!! But I am sure learning how to have fun; thanks for coming along!! Merry Christmas 🛐 to you too!

[@jakegorman7121]

I would like to see a build done in steps for instance port to a conservative set of numbers and then show what maybe a next step of more aggressive numbers and then maybe trying to find the limit of what is good for a work saw.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jakegorman7121 Awesome; I think that's what we will do on the 461! We may actually do "stages" of tool levels, too?? Muffler mods/base gasket delete first, then grinding, then grinding with angled head, then machine work... that's what I think we're all thinking here?

[@DuaneDavend-bt3nx]

I would like to see, a socket on the crank of that 461 for starting. Take it to sawfest, that would put a twist on someone wanting it.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@DuaneDavend-bt3nx That would definitely put the kibosh to their desires, wouldn't it!! 😉

[@jonesmanufacturing6643]

Like the videos I would like to see porting by changing the timing numbers with grinding only on the piston and not the cylinder. Sometimes cylinders are hard to come by but pistons not. Thanks merry Christmas

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jonesmanufacturing6643 Fantastic idea!! I did do some of that one my 026 build; thanks for the reminder!! I actually prefer grinding a piston when I can get away with it; it's easy to undo and it also lightens the piston. Thanks for joining-in; what may have seemed like a simple suggestion to you was very important to me... I had not considered it for this build. Merry Christmas! 🛐

[@RichFife]

461s are a great saw after porting... I like bigger exhausts 105-108* with 20 to 25* of blowdown, 75 to 78* intake... makes for a good work saw. 102-103* makes for a good saw with slightly better chain speed with decent torque. Merry Christmas

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@RichFife Thanks for giving a little of your secret sauce!! Do you widen the exhaust much/any? Thanks for joining-in and offering some experience to my slipshod operation!!

[@RichFife]

.040" to .050" from the base will wake it up... if you're not froggy on the squish band cut, top of the piston can be skimmed. Many ways to skin the cat, some ways just offer different pros and cons when compared to the other ways.

[@RichFife]

@HayChaffandSawdust1 nothing secret about what I do to these... I do widen the exhaust a little... but I mainly focus on the arch/shape of the roof and corners. By removing the said amount from the base, at BDC, the piston will be above the exhaust floor approximately .060" to .075" (ish). Always trade-offs... I used to chamfer the pistons to help direct the flow out faster, but now I keep it a flat top... I'm just an upright-monkey hacking away on stuff... sometimes I even get lucky. Lol

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@RichFife I like both options; I like shaping a chamber; but I also like losing weight from the slug. I think, from reading suggestions from people with many different levels of experience, we may dyno stuff along the way and try to do it in a manner to do things in order of the equipment that people have. Muff mod, base gasket delete, air filter, ignition timing first (dyno checking for gains on each one), and then move to grinding and THEN to machining. It's going to be tricky on grinding/changing timing before doing machine work, but I think we can make a series that people will find a portion that they can do. I would sure appreciate your guidance/suggestions along the way!! I'm just a slipshod operation learning as I go; while mistakes are a good teacher, they're also expensive; I would rather learn from others' mistakes when I can.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@RichFife Upright Monkey!! I get it... other than my knuckles still hit on the high-spots in the yard!! You say the piston is above the exhaust floor; do you mean the skirt of the piston... you free port by 0.060-0.075"? Another person suggested such a thing to combat "big bore surge" recently. My reading comprehension may be off or that may be exactly what you mean; I've never intentionally free-ported anything... skeert!! Thanks!! My email is in the description of every video if the comment-section becomes too restrictive; it's just an offer; not trying to impose. Thanks again!!

[@alltherpm]

Merry xmas!!! Thanks for helping all us with the same saw bug!!

[@alltherpm]

Hope to see some of that lathe work, setup, bars, cutters, daily setup,,, im hoping to get a lathe!!

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@alltherpm It's a nasty disease, isn't it??!! I guess we can count this place as a "support group"?? 😉

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@alltherpm I can sure show some more lathe and machine work (actually a couple upcoming) if all y'all want; I sure don't consider myself to be good enough to share much though. I may be good enough to show people that don't already have machine equip though?? Good idea!!

[@raynheath450]

Nice work saw stihl 461

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@raynheath450 I think that's a darn good plan!! Thanks for kicking-in some advice; I wanted some direction and welcome it!!

[@jamiedalluge9472]

Merry Christmas 🎄🎄

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jamiedalluge9472 Goodness gracious Jamie!! It's the first I remember seeing you in the comments. I want to thank you for giving us a moment of your time and joining-in, as well as sincerely welcome you!! Merry Christmas! 🛐

[@jamiedalluge9472]

@HayChaffandSawdust1 thank you sir. I was your dirt track guy a few videos back. Came over courtesy of the ironhorse 😊

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jamiedalluge9472 Well crud!! Now I feel like a heel for not remembering your YT Handle; I sure remember the dirt-track conversation; sorry that I forgot your name and didn't recognize it. No offense meant!!

[@jamiedalluge9472]

@HayChaffandSawdust1 it's all good my friend

[@902hand7]

Merry Christmas to you and your family. I'd vote to have the 461 built stock, dyno'd, then ported for a warm firewood saw - nothing better than cutting firewood with a huge ear-to-ear grin on your face (plus that helps act as a safety squint to keep all the safety police at bay...). Be interesting to see what it would re-dyno at once you finish grinding on it?

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@902hand7 You bet!! Those natural safety squints are sure nice; with a ported saw, they are never left at home!! I think you're right; stock dyno then outside-the-engine work (and dyno), then some work on the inside?? Maybe take a few step to hotness levels that someone would like to achieve?

[@902hand7]

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 Yes Sir

[@BuckYaSaws]

Merry Christmas! I think it would be cool to see what you can get out of that 5020. I got the craftsman model one I’d did some work to. Would also be cool to see what the 455 gains after some port work.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@BuckYaSaws I've got some ideas for the the 5020!! I haven't even taken the top cover off to see if my ideas will even work... but they're nasty thoughts that I'm having. I would like to make a sawfest build that will keep me out last-place... wouldn't even hope for the top 20; just won't want laughed at too much. I think the 455 is going to respond well; broke 33% gain on it y'day without doing ANY port work yet (I did cut the base though). I have some of the same tactics planned for the 5020. I have vids coming about doing the base/bearing pockets; I know I "shouldn't* show them if I want to do better at Sawfest.... but nobody ever cheats off of the dumb kid anyway!!! 😉😂 Merry Christmas! 🛐

[@camrynrhodes798]

Needs to go right here 😂😂😅 Merry Christmas Mr thanks again

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@camrynrhodes798 I'm such a hoarder!! I ain't been guilty of selling or trading a saw (or pewpew) in a LONG time 🙄😉😂 . Merry Christmas 🛐 to all y'all too!!

[@matthewknight5641]

merry Christmas. I like that 034

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@matthewknight5641 Meeeee TOOOOOO!! If I would have known about the action, he'd never had gotten it for $100!! It is nice looking and had a BRAND NEW Stihl bar and chain on it. It started and ran for him, but needs carb (and maybe coil) work. I've ported a few saws or him and he wants this one left STOCK... no muffler mod even. I guess that's what happens when people see my work 🙄😟😉 Merry Christmas Matthew 🛐 !!!

[@jimcowger5760]

The direction i think you should take is more hunting trapping and beverages. Plus all the mods and hacks around the farm

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jimcowger5760 Well Jim, some things I just don't need a "record" of!! 😉

[@ClydeDavis-qw8lo]

Good content and information! Merry Christmas!

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@ClydeDavis-qw8lo Thanks for your input; I really appreciate it!! Merry Christmas 🛐

[@alessioG7176]

I’d like to see a cylinder with a 3mm offset toward the carburetor and slightly lowered to recover height. I’ve drawn it, and it should advance the timing by 4 degrees on 372xp, thanks

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@alessioG7176 I really like where your mind is! I don't remember you here before and I really like that you are thinking outside the box; so bear with me a moment. Did you mean offset toward the Exhaust side? I'm not sure if I can move the cyl 3mm yet; I did ~1.5mm (0.060") on the Stihl 026 with fantastic results... but I moved toward the exhaust side to increase torque and decrease intake-side wear and friction losses on the piston. In case you didn't see them, there are two videos that I really think you would like. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpu8Z614YtN3qMk and kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYe3ppV7bJudqsk If there are different considerations to be had by moving the cylinder the opposite direction, I would love to hear those too! Thanks for thinking outside the box; sure glad you stopped in and took a moment to join in!!

[@ls2005019227]

Love your channel.....& here to learn. So, as far as mods I'd enjoy seeing tested; is "all of them" too broad? Personally, I've got the tools (lathes, mill, etc) & a few extra clamshell saws, to have some fun.....but am still learning what all to do, and trying to figure out how much, is TOO much. Merry Christmas to you and thanks for all that you share.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@ls2005019227 Thanks Robert! "All of them" sounds like a pretty decent plan for me too! The only way I've figured how to find out how much is "too much" is to do too much. Actually, while I HAVE mess up some cylinders, I've only messed ONE by doing too much. Merry Christmas to you, also!! Thanks for coming along for the ride!

[@jeffdillard8789]

The 455 work it over like that little stihl you've been doing. The poulan go hog wild on it . Crazy porting lots of compression and at least alcohol for fuel . 461 make it a hot firewood saw. Ive got one myself that im getting ready to do for firewood

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jeffdillard8789 I like your thinking; being a strato, I think the 455 can teach me some stuff. Thinking ending with nitromethane on the poulan; I have absolutely NO experience with funny fuels... so I like that. The 461 is up in the air; lots want a mild-to-hot firewood saw, and some want to see the mild mods along the way... the stuff that the average person with a mild-understanding of saws can accomplish. I think we can get to hot, but maybe stop and smell the roses along the way?

[@jeffdillard8789]

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 oh yeah I like how you do that start with the basic and work your way up

[@christalbott8446]

MERRY Christmas, keep up the great work! Jumped aboard because of Ironhorse, he's got a lot of great to info!!

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@christalbott8446 Thanks for the Christmas wishes and for the encouraging words. Ol Ironhorse has gotten a LOT of us confident enough to start building saws; I think he's holding back on his knowledge in an attempt to keep us "safe"; he is (if I recall) the first person I seen doing porting vids; I seen Logger Wade; he suggested Buckin', Buckin' suggested Ironhorse, and my interest blossomed from there. I'm sure happy you took Ironhorse's suggestion to check out my little ol' fledgling channel. Merry Christmas 🛐

[@alvinmcdonald390]

Port it buddy .💪🏻

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@alvinmcdonald390 Simple and direct advice!! I like it!! Thanks for stopping-in and joining-in!

[@itllkeal]

Merry Christmas. It would be a pain with the teardown times, but a base gasket delete vs stock then muffler mod vs stock. It would be nice to know if the gains all kept stacking up. Gain .5 hp each mod and see if it adds up to 2 for 4 mods

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@itllkeal Perfect!! I tore my 026 down so dang many times that I wore out the bolt-holes in the cylinder and cases; I can sure do it on this 461. I was thinking stock/base, muffler mod and ign timing (and anything else a person can do without taking the engine apart) and dyno-testing each step. Then can do base gasket delete, porting, and machining as we go? Thanks for the advice; it was where I actually wanted to go, but didn't know if the step-by-step dyno tests are "getting old" or not. Thanks the encouragement!! Merry Christmas 🛐

[@krazy8ball]

Here is an idea for ya on my 455 I removed about a 1/4”-3/8” on the lower transfers to allow more air and fuel to get shoved into the transfers.

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@krazy8ball Thanks James; I was considering opening them up all the way up to the point that they V in different directions. It reasoned that it would help. It sure has responded well to the first few mods!!

[@krazy8ball]

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 I may have done the same thing, it’s been so long since I ported it I’m not sure. You got me wondering how much I did open it lol

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@krazy8ball I've got a piston/cyl that I keep by my easy chair hoping osmosis will kick in!! I snatched it up a day or two ago with JUST that idea!! Painfully obvious, but I had not thunkt of it yet!! Those transfers are a conundrum; I can see some problems by doing the bottom end of them like that, too!!

[@brandonf1226]

I actually done the iron horse on an ol 460 a year n half ago but it needs bearings....it's on the back burner....what did you do to there bearing pocket? ...

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@brandonf1226 I can understand saws getting shoved to the back; I've got a 440 mag that I've had for two years... the only "mod" it has ever received is a new decomp plug to replace a leaking decomp valve! I sure like the Ironhorse pipe and am working on some calculations to "tune" them to specific saws; it's looking promising!! (Not trying to be too remedial here, but not sure yours or future reader's knowledge of the 455) The 455 engine splits around the bearings and is not considered to be as-easy to "cut the base" because the base incorporates 1/2 of the bearing pocket. In order to cut the base (for example) 0.025", the bearing pockets and seal pockets also have to be moved 0.025"... I did that (video upcoming). Thanks for riding along, joining-in, and feeling at-home enough to ask questions. I hope I didn't "talk down" to you in my answer, but wanted to craft an answer that a future reader with less knowledge would understand. Thanks again!!

[@diggindiggenit6540]

Well what ever route you go with the 461, see how it runs compared to your 440, if it's equal or better maybe keep it for a backup?

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@diggindiggenit6540 I don't think I've ever showed the 440 on the dyno; it's stock; I would hope the 461 would outdo it! That may make a good first-video episode of getting it running and dyno testing it; the 440Mag will make a good comparison; thanks for the idea!!

[@SawChainTheories]

If you work out what to do with the 461 let me know. I made the same mistake with one a few months back, only difference was mine came in a box instead of a bucket for 75 bucks. It’s all back together now and runs but I really don’t need another 70ish cc saw. No idea if I should sell it, port it or just run it Next year I’m going to focus on the small cheap stuff because it’s just more fun. I’m not running them for money anymore so it’s not about maximising output so its time to have some fun with whatever I can get cheap and see what I can learn along the way

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@SawChainTheories I think the small/cheap saw mods/channels have a good chance of attracting beginners (like me) who don't want to start hacking and gouging on a $1500 saw. My 461 direction and yours may be a little different; with all of the comments, I think I'm going to do external mods first (dyno testing each) and then base gasket delete, mild porting, mid level porting, and maybe end up with a race saw. I had considered selling it, but the friends here have begun to make their demands; I better deliver and avoid a riot!!! 😉😂

[@SepticWhelk]

HELP ! How do you get sthil type wrist pin clips in the ones with no tags , a whole hour of stress , not certain how i did it then . Information for the interested .A new 026 barrel and ( 44 MM piston ) is no longer available hereabouts . A new real stihl MS 260 barrel AND (44.7 MM PISTON ) has the same base holes intake and exhaust position and the same port heights as a 026 . The only difference is the 026 has a tunnel transfer ports and the MS 260 has a open transfer ports . Despite the MS 260 ALEDGED 2mm longer crank throw it fits straight on an runs as good as new .

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@SepticWhelk Stihl makes a tool for that; the ring is loaded into a tube with a tapered end; there's a rod that pushes the clip thru the tapered end and into the groove... I'm not that kind of guy though! I have a small pair of needle nosed pliers (forceps from dr's ofc work too, but are slightly flimsy.) I grab the clip at one end and start "screwing" the other end into the little divot on the piston (the place that you can stick a pick to get them out); basically I roll them in. Sometimes the started end doesn't want to turn because it's end starts to dig in on the aluminum; if that happens, I walk them in with picks... like putting a tire on a rim. Fair warning... I usually can't record that part... it would be all "beeeeep...beeeeep," as I edited out my coaxing words 😟😟 I am not sure if there were different iterations of the 026 in the 44mm; my transfers on my 44mm were identical to the ones in the AM 44.7 mm ones? I was confident that the 260 top end would fit just fine; glad it did. I guess I just assumed you were going to use the 44.7; can't get 44mm here either. Can't get 034 either; they're all 034Super/036; can't get 029... all are ms390 top ends; aftermarket tends to use the biggest bore offered for each saw chassis and go from there, it seems. Sure happy to hear you got it going! Since were on this particular video; I got the 034 going and dyno tested today. I also got the parts for the 461 and got it running; dyno tomorrow. I can sure get some stuff done on rainy days!!!

[@tomintexas817]

I don't have a laptop and do not edit except trim for shorts don't worry about 10 sec. and ya I love ironhorse too but watch more of your videos 461 I would play with you don't have alot in it and they like porting. I don't care for clamshells but my 015l doesn't like me.

[@tomintexas817]

oh and Merry Christmas to you and dad

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@tomintexas817 Tom, I sure get it; there's an awful nice/good crowd that joins-in and watches us; my mind just MAKES me try to make the best video that I'm able each and every time; I'm not unsatisfied with the amount of people that are here, but I know there are many more great people (that we all would like) that haven't seen us yet; want to keep making the best vids I can until they all find us and join in with us! I think we may build the 461 a few times (starting with a stock get-it-running build) and dyno it at each level until we wear it out. Maybe start with stuff that ANYone can do and keep progressing?

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@tomintexas817 Merry Christmas to you and all your family/friends; hope you have a happy and loud household that's full of laughing!! 🛐

[@tomintexas817]

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 thank you sir

[@stevenstcyr5279]

Good morning

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@stevenstcyr5279 Yes sir!! Good morning to you, too; any day looking down at the grass instead of looking up at the grass is a good day!!

[@lindachaffins4504]

455 work on closing off stratos a before and after and if you could explain Why

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@lindachaffins4504 Not 100% sure I understand you comment fully; I don't remember mentioning closing off the stratos... I'm sorry if my reading/comprehension is a a little off... or maybe I misspoke. I built an intake block to fuel the stratos with fuel/air instead of fresh air. The results were not as I expected; that video will be upcoming sooner than later (this out-of-order video jumped 14-15 videos already recorded that need edited and released). If your asking "why" on the intake block, the simple answer would be that I have no experience with them and was curious what would happen; the results surprised me!! If I didn't answer your question, I can try again if you ask again... sorry if I'm not understanding your question totally.

[@jeffdillard8789]

I've always thought the same why not fuel the stratos too. But it sounds like it didn't work out

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@@jeffdillard8789 I hate to spoil the answer as the vid may be a month or so from getting out, but it worked... the associated test results were not what I expected though! The more I learn, the less I know.

[@jeffdillard8789]

@@HayChaffandSawdust1 can't wait to see it. I've got a 391 im getting ready to go through so I'll finally see what this strato stuff is all about. I was thinking to if there would be any advantage to porting them. Always thought the more air the better

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@jeffdillard8789 I think the premise is spot-on about more air; messing with stratos (regular) can change the amount of fresh air bypassing the carb and fuel/air going thru the carb. I've been trying to think about it some, but it makes my head hurt!! I *think* I know WHAT is going to happen, but can't predict how much. Not really trying to talk in riddles, but afraid to open my mouth enough to confirm that I'm not too smart about it. I may make another out-of-order video about my theories and see if someone with experience can chime in and help all of us out.

[@darrelljohnson4658]

Portion go fast

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@darrelljohnson4658 I like it!! It is starting to sound like we will build in step/levels all the way up to nasty!!

[@andrewgrubb8947]

Merry Christmas!

[@HayChaffandSawdust1]

@andrewgrubb8947 Merry Christmas Andrew 🛐 Thanks for adding to my cheer!!