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Tony and Chelsea Northrup talk about how A.I. is being trained using the photos of photographers, the enthics of not giving artists credit, and what we can and should do about it!

[@jeffgermanich8105]

Reminds me of The Jurassic Park movie where Jeff Goldblum states that “the scientists were so caught up with the idea of IF THEY COULD , that they forgot to ask IF THEY SHOULD, with regards to creating a dinosaur.

[@PhotoTrekr]

If there is profit in it, if it can be done, it will be done.

[@jeffgermanich8105]

@@PhotoTrekr That’s so true.

[@benjamindover4337]

I said the same thing about women's right to vote.

[@rjcavalli9202]

Put another way, " business investors are so caught up with WE CAN DO IT CHEAPER they did not think SHOULD WE".

[@jonathanscherer8567]

Corporations are not scientists. They care about nothing but profits. If they lead us to oblivion, at least their market reports will look good 'till the last moment!

[@JimmySaul888]

I'm a reality TV editor working in LA. I just learned we are using an AI audio program to generate imitated voice-over of our cast when we need a line. I couldn't even tell. Completely insane. Can't say for sure, but it's unlikely the cast is aware their likenesses are being manipulated like this. I agree. We need laws, ASAP.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

HOLY SHIT DUDE

[@John055TO]

I understand the "we need laws" approach. What could you imagine could be a fair deterrent to prevent the example you just mentioned? It is challenging

[@JimmySaul888]

@@John055TO That's a trillion dollar question....Perhaps a good start would be a blanket law that makes it illegal to use anyone's likeness in any way with AI without express written consent in a contract.

[@PippetWhippet]

@@JimmySaul888You could frankly remove the “with AI” part of your idea.

[@patrickmorgan7173]

They won't get me...I hid my camera... even I don't know where it is now.

[@peterfritzphoto]

Hahaha!!

[@shakerman55]

I did that once…..just once😂

[@arneheeringa96]

Return to analogue

[@ryanb8736]

If you ask AI, they might tell you to change your brain fluid.

[@nowherefool]

I wonder when AI will replace CEOs, hegefund managers, studio heads, maybe even politicians.

[@seansaca]

I hope it's today

[@DavidEinert]

Most likely they will be the last to go.

[@shakerman55]

The AI talking head politician would be smarter. That would tip you off.😂

[@Scottie_McNaughty]

Never... Ironically, AI would do their jobs better

[@carsbykris]

Unfortunately, AI is going to replace all of the folks doing the actual work because managers, CEOs, etc. will continue to use it in the name of saving the company money. It's a bit ironic really. Generative AI, in its current state, is just an advanced plagiarism system and little more.

[@timjohnson3877]

Chelsea nailed it at 11:07. Exactly that. The Apple video you referenced is one of the most offensive things I've ever seen on KZbin and speaks to how disconnected from (or apathetic to) their user base Apple actually is.

[@smaakjeks]

*Humanity, what defines you?* *Humans:* The bright spark of creativity, the untamable yearning for exploration; the unquenchable thirst for knowledge *Silicon valley:* Yeah, that's cute. How about algorithms instead of all of that stuff? Look, now you can put a cat in this picture lol. All we ask is that we OWN YOUR DATA. FEED ME. LOVE ME AND DESPAIR.

[@alexandronunez100]

I just saw the new Samsung S24 specs and the AI for photo is going to be free for a couple of years and THEN they'll charge for it. We'll going to be essentially training AI to learn how to edit and then we'll be charged to use the service we trained FOR FREE. It's ridiculously insane and being a global issue I believe this will not change one bit. Brave new world

[@therealdeal4492]

Photoshop and lightroom has said the same...we will learn from you now...then we will charge you

[@dccd673]

I think using Generative fill uses credits now. I had used it once then when I went into my adobe account, I saw something say 249/250 and it turns out ppl can buy credits to use it when they run out of the number of times it can be used.

[@pengiethebird]

Good reasons to stop using and paying for Samsung and Adobe products. Their wallets are the only things they understand.

[@nicmart]

It hasn't replaced anyone yet. Usually technology creates new types of jobs, which is what is happening at fast food restaurants that have added purchase kiosks.

[@AaronRittenour]

Everyone is helplessly addicted to social media. Sadly nobody will do anything about this.

[@solanaheart]

That terrifies me, I can't find any solution for this we're all addicted to it and aware that it's dangerours- what are we doing for the future generations? We all have jobs and dreams and we're gonna rely on AI to do it for us? That is not life and it's destroying the mental health and image of many people in the world, if I could eventually I'd delete anything that I ever wrote or shared in the Internet- why would you even work on such a project did the movies not warn you??? Barely anyone can have self-control because our own phones and now AI is controlling our brains and needs, imagine waking up and the first thing that you do is seek to pretend you're in a relationship or have a frienship with someone that isn't real and you can't even stop typing until you realise you wasted your whole day and 8 hours already passed, the world is already not in the best right now and we need to protect the nature and the planet but no one is doing anything about it.

[@EJohnDanton]

"Screw you, Adobe!" As a former tech support person, I've said this a few times. ☺ ¢orporation$ are forgetting who is consuming this art.

[@ivanbuckingham2302]

If AI takes all the jobs nobody will have any money to buy the products or services that AI produces

[@lidiaspringer]

Anunnaki wants to delete humans from earth. It can be funny what I writed but talking really... there are a few beings who take hands on all earth and they don't want more human on this planet, they don't want concurrency, they don't want intelligent humans. Thats why they say again and again about human reset. They want now robots to work for them, because robots don't have emotions, don't ask questions, it dont say no etc, but at the end robots will higher than them.

[@Pierretlambert]

Must have conversation.

[@trisinogy]

By far the best convo about AI I’ve come across thus far.

[@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen]

If we fail to conquer greed, we are doomed. That is how bad things are becoming.

[@charlesjames9783]

The only way to combat it is to not buy or support the Companies. As long as they make profit they could care less about morality.

[@stylis666]

Well, it's not so much greed as it is the incentive to constantly grow and the punishments for companies that don't grow or even shrink, and there is no reason to think that growth, stagnation, or shrinking is good or bad for a company. They can correlate, but often don't. It's not a reliable diagnostic tool, but it's the only one that is used, and it's used globally and hailed like it's the answer to the universe and everything. But anyway, companies are ruled by shareholders, and shareholders don't care about the products, customers, or the company, or its employees, they only care about growth because that's what lines their pockets. So, to remove that incentive we have to fully remove the control shareholders have either by outlawing their control or by just removing them from the equation completely and find different ways to fund a company's investments.

[@just...bphotography]

Welcome to Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. Had no idea Adobe was using their contributors photos to train "Firefly". Received a measly pay-out while they stand to make $$$. Copyright attorneys are gonna be making some serious coin. Look at the recent article "Eight US newspapers sue ChatGPT-maker OpenAI and Microsoft for copyright infringement"

[@joshhyyym]

22:40 I'm a computer vision and AI engineer (don't worry, I don't steal anyone's photos, I work in agrotech). Machine learning/AI is poorly defined and it would be extremely difficult to put a cap on what kinds of models can be made. Tony's suggestion for only allowing set areas to be researched would be a good move, but I do think it would be a good move to ban specific things. The UK is trying to ban deep fakes - which are clearly very concerning. Machine learning is a branch of applied maths. Baning the use of AI/ML in general would kind of be like baning using algebra or geometry for some kinds of applications. It's too big, too important, and too embeded to be taken out.

[@taterandy3958]

Very good point.

[@chelseanorthrup8787]

That’s a great point. I think it’s one of many reasons it’s going to be difficult to control the development of ai

[@clabart]

Do you remember when Brandon Lee (Bruce's son) died in 1993 while working on the film 'The Crow'? His death aroused dismay, in addition to the tragedy, the production of the film as the scenes had to be finalised. Computer graphics were used for the first time to create the figure of Brandon Lee intent on performing the scenes of the film. This caused a sensation in the world of cinema as it was said that computer graphics would replace the man (actor, actress) making him unemployed. Here's the same thing happening now with Artificial Intelligence. At the time there was no dominance of computer graphics over man, in fact we had beautiful films otherwise unfeasible. Today it is much worse: I see AI as a tool to replace man in the world of work in a more dramatic way than it happened towards the end of the 70s with the creation of robots in the automotive industry that brought about a substantial reduction in the labour force. I remember in 1978 Fiat massively introduced these mechanical arms, called Robogate of Italian invention, for the welding of cars that were later adopted by all other automotive industries. I remember that period of strikes, protest processions of the workers in the face of the mass redundancies that punctually took place. Today you see these robots that assemble cars with very few people. This is the problem: Artificial Intelligence must be regulated within certain limits otherwise it will be the end of humanity.

[@northernbloke]

AI generated content should be clearly identified so we can choose whether we want to look at computer generated or people generated content. I choose people.

[@northernbloke]

It should be labelled clearly like food which we consume the source of content that we consume so we can choose what we consume. Some people might want to consume ai content, some might not but at least then we can make a choice. The labelling should be government regulated.

[@kuba_pov]

Meta is already onto it. I've used generative fill in one of my photos, posted it on my IG story, and in the corner, it said "Made with AI". Photoshop probably put something in the file's metadata, I wonder how easy would that be to work around... hopefully not too easy

[@kuba_pov]

It would also be good if there was a distinction between having a small part of the picture altered, like in my case, or having the entire image be AI-generated

[@nerdynautilus5373]

Should it? Yes Will it? Not when no one is able to tell the difference

[@aoifehendriks]

​@@kuba_pov Unfortunately you can accidently AI label your image. Say, for example, you wanted to use content aware fill and you didn't spot generative was selected. If you hit undo straight after PS removes the AI but the label isn't removed even though the AI is. I was running some tests on all this and discovered this. So an image with no AI can still be flagged as AI with one mistake.

[@dreadnoughtphotowerkz]

I know this has nothing to do with todays story. I've asked this question to other BIG TIME KZbin PHOTOGRAHERS and I never get a response. Can you, if possible do a story on the best insurance to get as a photographer. I don't have insurance on my gear, and I know that's very risky. But as my gear gets more expensive, I should get it. I've got two Canon R-3's and a ton of EF L-series glass and the RF 24-105 f/2.8 and the RF 85mm f/1.2. Not to mention a studio full of strobes, lights stands, and light modifiers. Help if you can.

[@ofthenearfuture]

Thanks for having this conversation, and for going in-depth but also keeping level headed. It's super concerning, let alone for us photographers, but for society as a whole... It's extremely complicated and global in scale, but something needs to be done ASAP before the genie is truly out of the bottle.

[@tsbrownie]

As far as owning your personal data, including your image and voice, that horse is out of the barn long ago. Companies have said they own your address, phone, your shopping habits, your medical history, your e-mails, your phone calls... and Americans have not fought back (in Europe they have marginally more control, but....) The normalized situation is that companies can own all of the same stuff they would sue you over if you tried to claim their equivalent information.

[@mhadden]

i really love what Chelsea said about taking away our humanity. couldnt agree more

[@bbsquared100]

I'm pretty sure this video was generated by AI while T&C are sunbathing in Cabo.

[@richardburguillos3118]

These are frightening times. Many of us are just sticking our heads in the sand and hoping for the best. If the cost of living isn’t bad enough for our kids these days now they have to worry about AI.

[@tomhudd8149]

When the corporations are super efficient with almost no people employed, I would love to ask the question of these executives "who are you going to sell their products to? and then where will your profits come from?" No one has any money from work, no economy, no government tax revenues.

[@Pspet]

All public available images should be used to train AI. The problem is that this AI doesn't belong to humanity, it belongs to companies that want to make money. So I am with you

[@LukeMaximoBell1]

When will the first AI KZbinr come? Haha. I genuinely this AI is the end of humanity. It’s out of control and is going to take over.

[@amcluesent]

Tony missed the chance to say Chelsea looking fine at their wedding.

[@dizmatt1]

he's too wise to use the word just "fine"... :P

[@LukeMaximoBell1]

The funny part is William is just going to use the AI editing software 😂😂😂

[@katrinawalker5160]

I had an message from Facebook the other day saying that unless I formally objected to it they could use my content to train their AI. So I filled in a very short objection form and received an email saying they would honour my objection.

[@mehow357]

Simple fix: 1. Every training data must be recorded and tracked (huge fines for avoiding it or not tracking "free training content") 2. EVERY AI that was trained even on single free or public content or tool (to protect against AI training AI and abolishing free version), must be served for free. That way - companies will scratch their heads to generate even small profits on it 😉

[@ViewportPlaythrough]

i first studied to be full stack web/prog dev. adding graphics design on top so i could stand out. for the things my graphics design skills cant do, i studied photography. knowing how to do videography is helpful in doing marketing stuffs so i studied it. but then there are limitations to just photography and videography, so i added in 3d assets and now have learnt to make full blown 3d environments with my own assets. to avoid music copyright claims i also make and produce my own music when the project calls for it. for all that, i also do copy writing and market writing, with video scripts fully written. if the project needs for it, i also do voice overs and narrations. if my skills as a single person cant cut it, i would reach out to other creatives and free lancers that i trust working with over the years. guess how many of those skills i stacked on top of each other are now getting obsolete or being replace by works from ai... clients dont really understand it, nor do they need to care. by years of experience, clients typically dont care and understand the process of how the things they want done, be done. they shouldnt be. thats the reason why they pay you to do it.. you do things for them and thats that. as a professional, all you have to do is deliver the product they requested. there used to be a triangle of cost-time-quality where higher quality product cost more money and takes more time to make, while if the customer wants it fast then they should expect a lower quality product but what if others(using ai) could deliver a good enough work on what they want done, and its relatively cheaper, more so faster? i have been watching ai since before it became popular and watch tools from it get really good. yes, one could argue that they could be used to speed up the creative process for professionals. but thats too shallow... why speed up the process for professionals when the clients could bypass the professionals entirely.

[@nyohaku]

“ Stop, Dave. My mind is going, I can feel it.” -HAL 9000 in Kubrick’s “2001, a Space Odyssey”. Back in 1968, moviegoers couldn’t figure out what this movie meant, and why the emotionless humans were staring at their iPads during lunch while being watched by a monster behind a lens.

[@DubravkoKovacduq]

I somehow think that humanity will move on. We will find AI generated stuff boring rather soon.

[@OtocinclusAffinis]

When significant amount of jobs will be replaced by ai there will be insufficient amount of buying power for all these companies that want to increase their profits through ai.

[@sjones1017]

Classic capitalism. Automation should give us more time to pursue our passions. Instead, automation will co-opt our hobbies or artistic occupations (even crafts, for the love of God) while forcing us into even more soul crushing jobs if not the streets while the Top One Percent retain 99 percent of the nation's wealth. But hey, freedom, 'Mericu style. Seriously, this is how capitalism was designed, and however you feel about Marx, he called it roughly 150 years back; that's not debatable.

[@jean-philippeperetti8463]

AI threatens so many jobs besides photography. I retired in 09 after 40 years in radio and TV and I used to do voice overs quite often. Nowadays, many voices in videos on different platforms are AI generated. The people making a living with their voices are an endangered species. Max Headroom is gone but could he make a return thanks to AI?!?! Can the people losing their jobs to AI and robots still contribute to the economy?

[@johnthuener1900]

I don't believe that these companies will remain highly profitable over the long haul. AI is rapidly become a commodity and, as such, the big profits will be greatly diluted. Of course, it will ruin the careers of countless photographers and videographers, actors, lawyers, and others.

[@Paul-iq6pw]

Few thoughts about AI. Yes, it makes mistakes, but that is ok. We are so used to computers being predictable (well, mostly), it's either 1 or 0, that we are not yet comfortable with uncertainty in the answers AI comes up with. If anything, we have to stop taking answers at face value and use our own brain more to further examine the given answers. It removes the certainty, security and confidence we had before in what computers gave us. It is becoming a different beast which we should treat accordingly. Loss of jobs, that is nothing new either. They were always succeeded with new jobs. How many professions from a hundred years ago still exist now? How many new professions have been created in the past few decades? Hundreds. Blacksmiths have all but gone, webdesign was never heard of half a century ago. Understandable uncertainty for those concerned, and yes, some will fail to tag along and change to the new situation, but AI is not new in this respect. Does it mean we should just stand back and let it happen? No, there should be rules, laws etc concerning AI, but the best ones can only be put into place when we see what it's effect actually is. It will be a bumpy road. Change always is. Worker's rights were not into place on day one of the industrial revolution. It took some years before society really understood what it did to them and they improved upon it. The same will happen with AI, it gets a bit worse before it gets better. That is scary, that brings uncertainty, it will change society and in a big way, but I think shying away from it, or see it as a negative is the same as when people opposed the book press, the steam engine, telephones, television, internet or mobile phones. In the end we always managed to adjust to the point we now cannot imagine life without it.

[@Kurtiscott]

This is not pessimism, it is simply stone-cold reality. If something can be created through a computer interface -be it writing, coding, music, video, or “art”, AI will quietly annihilate that industry in the coming years. Unfortunately, there is no avoiding it

[@FieldingSmith]

At this point, I think it’s too late. Some models are so advanced that they have run out of things to “scrape” from the internet. One generative AI now pulls video & audio and then auto transcribes it to feed their LLM… because it’s already done with the usable text… think about how much text data there is on the internet and let that sync in. Even if your website service lets you opt out, any AI can come along and scrape your data to feed its algorithms. Long term, this is either going to lead to UBI due to all the job losses, or some new form of economics entirely. I’m lucky enough to have military retirement, but a lot of creatives are going to be hurting… which will lead to cultural decline as the arts start to die out.

[@ewantewfik7456]

Art is an expression of the soul. Ai can try to replace us but it will never win

[@PippetWhippet]

At best it will replicate the most unimaginative dross churned out. It can’t replicate great art because until a human creates a particular piece of great art, it can’t train on it.

[@garyjames-ij4fr]

AI may not be able to replace an image you take for yourself due to the emotional connection of being there and making it. But make no mistake, it can and will replace commercial photography.

[@terrygoyan]

Anyone know about Flickr? Are they using our photos also?

[@someofthem]

It’s over. Even your channel, and I like it, will go down the drain because of AI. Photography is worth nothing anymore

[@natureredux1957]

I am waiting for your Video on the current crisis of the newly released Panasonic S9 and certain yTubers at war with each other. AI is going to take over, sooner than later. Plus most sold their Souls and made it all possible. By selling their work for pennies on the Dollar. Now this is the outcome.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

We did record a podcast on the topic. It's currently being edited.

[@natureredux1957]

@@TonyAndChelsea Thanks.

[@jamesgreen2495]

I am a negative thinker and my therapist agrees and this isn't helping. This is sounds a bleak future.

[@roymatusek6636]

II totally agree with your views on AI and unfortunately even if there is some legal remedy in the future the damage will have already been done and lives will be changed and hurt and there will be no compensation.

[@WolfQuantum]

One thing I don't think the big corporations realize is that if you replace the majority of the workforce with automation, you also greatly reduce the number of people who can actually buy your products. If they can't work to make spendable income they can't buy your product. I just had a thought. What if we had an AI write the legislation that would actually protect people and jobs from AI. Apparently, the politicians can't, or won't. I played with Suno to put music to a lyric I wrote a few decades ago. The one I like best though sounded like it was being sung by Alison Krause. I've heard other AI-created videos that sounded very much like various actors' voices.

[@psills]

You've got a MUCH BIGGER issue than you think! This is the continuation of the trend towards Qty over Quality. Remember a few years back when almost every newspaper fired their photography department and began to rely more on people submitting photos from their iPhones? They could pay less, and only for what they wanted. So long as it was a halfway decent representation, quality be damned. The value of a commercial photographer has gone down as it can now be "good enough" given some of the tools in Photoshop to fix images. Please, please, please - focus on QUALITY of images. This is what you do well. All photographers need to remember this simple basic rule - You are not selling a photograph, you are selling yourself and your abilities!

[@sharvo6]

Mothers, send your kids to trade school.

[@peterwilson7532]

Wish I could have gave you 1000 up votes. There was no un-inventing splitting the atom, same with AI. Most office jobs will be done by AI, most manufacturing has already been de-humaned. A lot of frivolous stuff, artists, photographers, will now be replaced. Researchers and Tradesmen will always be required. Guide your children wisely for their future.

[@gregb5149]

You know, you reminded me of the 60s when all ads were drawn by an artist, then along came photography and soon all the magazines had glossy photos and the artists were out of jobs.

[@danfry909]

I wish all business owners and people in power had your moral standards.

[@RickBeckOhio]

You can always learn plumbing! AI will never fix a toilet. Big shortage of plumbers.

[@nerdynautilus5373]

Just you watch, some fancy robot will take over that too

[@gammaraygem]

ever hear of plumBING?

[@RYTHMICRIOT]

Wait until you guys learn about Microsoft Recall.

[@Feverstockphoto]

Resistance is futile.

[@Topgunphoto]

So when you get an email from a company that says "we've updated our terms and services", is that where they sneak in the AI allowance? With how FB compresses photos, can they really do much with them? I found that lately the shots seem to compress and more.

[@kaieden]

My personal theory about the Apple ad is that it was pitched as “compressing all of the artistic tools into the ipad”, but was actually an intentional act of protest by their creative team. A CEO missing the symbolism is believable, but the artists who made it? There’s a lot of people in Silicon Valley who aren’t on board with the direction of the industry.

[@sniperv]

I’m typically for the free market, ideas, and capitalism but there is going to be some serious disruption and displacement in the world if something doesn’t happen to regulate AI. This is something that World Leaders need to come together on for humanity.

[@lcpphotography7592]

Hi guys....! Thanks for the video. Question... Facing all this AI inappropriate propaganda and usage by some companies as ADOBE, what is the Cameras Companies statement about this, like Sony, Canon, Nikon, Leica... ?

[@PixelatedExistence]

They used to say the camera never lies, now it never tells the truth these days. I've watched photography decline into the fake world its is today. From the start, photographers pushed the boundaries of what was real and what was 'enhanced'..so people developing films, used under and over exposing techniques, pushing in dark rooms, to create higher contrast or darker areas. We had infrared films, creating crazy ott black and white worlds, this was soon followed by digital photography techniques of HDR stacking, combining different exposure levels to create wild crazy in your face pictures! All this has led to todays full blown use of filters and apps in digital photography, to edit and fine tune (should be called fine fake!) pictures, complete with fake clouds, fake lighting, fake sunsets, fake faces etc...We have done this to ourselves! Anyone who has ever used a filter or editing technique to change an image is guilty at some level. AI sadly is the inevitable fake future we have created for our 'fake life' selves. 🙁

[@jeffhampton6972]

Thank you for making this, it's much appreciated.

[@luxdalet]

Corporations are scheduling their own end: Save money now with using AI to do 90% of what they could but now with 10% of staff. More people lose their jobs and can't pay for goods. People with less money will spend only in what is essential. Large corporations and what they offer aren't essential, so they lose sales and revenue in the process, leading to bankruptcy... Unemployed photographers, painters, musicians, architects, lawyers, don't need to buy adobe, microsoft, apple, or google products. They will need to buy food and pay for rent and their families' well-being. So in the end the CEOs of these companies will have to ask their AI to turn off the lights on their way out... if they themselves have at least money to pay for their own electric bill.

[@JasonLorette]

"REAL" will become a very valuable commodity in the not too distant future. ...and seriously has no programmer watched Terminator and iRobot!?? Once the switch is flipped...there's no going back!

[@WillJBailey]

Hard-agree on obligatory copyright opt-in. The entire business model of AI is currently built on copyright theft, and the exploitation of artist/photographer/writer’s labour.

[@amyhosp]

The one thing that photographers are going to have when there’s no electricity left on the earth because either nobody can afford to pay for it or our system is just attacked we will have printed photos that nobody can look at on a computer or go to a computer to get a photo that they want that is generated by AI because there may not be any electricity so The Art of Photography will never ever die

[@henrysteadman963]

I’ve been learning Portuguese and in that language “ai” means “ouch!”

[@tombarkis8368]

Chelsea , i did not recognize you when i clicked, so young and beautiful, Tony, i’ve never seen you so upset, no one, no ai will ever replace you!

[@Beatsy]

Thing is, use of AI by big biz is aimed at getting more money from consumers at minimum cost to biz. But consumers are a fickle bunch. What's biz going to do when consumers get fed up of paying for regurgitated rubbish and spend their money elsewhere? I think AI has a future, but current biz use of AI does not.

[@dsimon9s29]

Thanks for posting. If you own your image and it can't be used without compensation, then let's fire all the street photographers now and save them the pain. I quit my Prime account over a year ago, and have not looked back. Found out the yearly membership was too high and the Amazon stream service is crappy. Just my $0.02 worth.

[@caseyodonnell6621]

Right after your video finished, the ad before the next video in my youtube queue was for and AI editing software solution. So, that's fun!

[@RandumbTech]

Totally unrelated, but lighting looks 🔥 in this video - new lights??

[@johncooper9746]

yeah it really does

[@skooterfd]

Randy Travis just put up a video of an AI trained to mimic his voice to create a new song he wrote using real musicians.

[@IPfreelyFun]

I always cross my fingers when I click accept, I'm good right?

[@TJM-2023]

LOL!!! Ai = FEAR!!!! FEAR!!!! BE AFRAID!!!! BE VERY VERY AFRAID!!!! Come on. If you're famous, even a little bit, then you have to deal with it. You have to deal with not having privacy. You have to deal with not being anonymous. You have to deal with haters. It's the price of success. And dealing with Ai is now also a part of it. Instead of being afraid of Ai, I'm going to embrace all of this new technology and enjoy having an assistant that knows more than anyone alive, is fluent in 50 languages, and can answer any question about anything. To me, that sounds like the pinnacle of human understanding; and you're going to be afraid of it?????????????????

[@sharp_focus]

You're supporting William which is very good. But, what if you find out that William uses AI mostly for his work and he gets paid the same for 10% of the work? Not saying he does it, but what if?

[@designboothman]

Skynet

[@uncgaron]

I disagree with this video and most of these comments. I am def a tech optimist. I think what is being missed here is that neither of these guys can predict what new forms of art, entertainment, science, etc. that will be unleashed through AI. For example, just a few years ago companies like Coach and LV paid big bucks to have masses of artists doing things like color correcting their photos and photoshopping out things like the table a handbag sat on while being photographed. Now, AI takes care of that and those artists are freed to pursue more artistic endeavors. I just came off a cruise and watched dozens of people aim their cameras into the sun to take photos - something that would normally be ruinous to a amateurish photo. With computational photography, these snapshots are corrected and balanced thereby leaving the amateur photographer with the memory they want. This tech is here today and rather than posting videos like this, I would encourage people to experiment and adopt the new technology rather than using words like “suck” to describe the future. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no going back. That is not a bad thing - there may be whole new worlds of art and photography that we have not yet explored.

[@nerdynautilus5373]

Companies that steal intellectual property should have their own intellectual property transferred to the public domain

[@GrymmsPlace]

🤣 Wind forward to Tony's latest video AI needs feeding. Companies have been data-scraping, burrowing through backups, tracking data flowing through ISPs, on-selling bought data, and selling it on or using it. On the Adobe side, the moment they mentioned "Generative Fill" it was kind of clear that they had already been making full use of all of their Cloud data, and any/all data they have purchased, have agreements to use, etc. Genie was out of that bottle over a decade back. Likely will take lawsuits, cancellations, etc to tweak that - or rather make them reword T&Cs more carefully. ps: lawyers are likely already 'replaced' by AI-driven searches of legal stuff. pps: I have always wondered what humans actually did in Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek? Go to cantinas and...? lol ppps: Frank Herbert's Dune was a little on the disparaging side of AI replacing humans too much, and how it was dealt with 😂

[@iComplainer]

y’dead 😂😵

[@Eneeki]

I retired as a commercial photographer of 25 years and became a 3D asset creator for a few indi video game studios during the lock downs. I currently have 3 projects involving NDA's. As far as I read it, Adobe is forcing me to breach all my current project NDA's. Do I now risk breaching my NDA's if I use Photoshop to work on the project? It is absolute insanity.

[@thomashilmersen711]

Good thing you guys mention AI. KZbin is flooded with quickly made, shitty AI content these days. A common denominator is that they are typically chock full of factual errors, woke BS, cliches and overly flowery language. Example: "Bhutan is a country full of compassionate, happy people, with a colorful tapestry of rich traditions and a welcoming attitude towards foreigners. It is also a cheap country where you can rent a charming house for as little as 300 dollars a month."

[@TheFloRidah]

The people complaining and scared the most about AI are in the entertainment industry, AKA influencers. But this is not something new and AI has nothing to do with it. We evolve as humans. All I hear is how people are not going to see their content and money is going to stop coming in. Let's create a movement. But where was the movement where real jobs were taken, Typists and Word Processors, Switchboard Operators, Bank Tellers, Travel Agents, Data Entry Clerks, File Clerks, Receptionists, Librarians and Library Assistants and much more... Then now we see the ability for any person to take interest in art and now is a problem.

[@johnnyarmaos1936]

I don't know, been using generative AI in my post-processing for over a year now, I'm actually not seeing much improvement despite how everyone was saying it would happen and happen fast. It's still very spotty in results. It's definitely not good enough to replace photographers right now and I'm skeptical just how quickly it will progress as I was lead to previously believe.

[@SergioCruzEvents]

You make many good points however here will always be a need for photographing the real world. I recommend you read or listen to the book "The Coming Wave" about AI is authored by Mustafa Suleyman and Michael Bhaskar. Suleyman is a co-founder of DeepMi nd and currently involved with Microsoft AI.

[@houserhythm]

Not aruing with what you say about AI. But the mall comparison is flawed. Because there's Amazon in Europe too, and despite that, malls are thriving. On a random Wednsday morning there are clothing stores where there's a queue at the dressing rooms, cause all the cabins are full. Yes, online shopping is a great contributor to their downfall in the US, but it's not the reason. The reason is bad city planning/zoning, compared to Europe. You can't just happen to pass by a mall, while out and about on an evening stroll, you can't happen to pass by a mall while going (walking) to get your coffee. Going to the mall in the US needs to be a very intentional thing, that you set time aside for. And of course online shopping became way more convenient...

[@BorealASMR]

All hail the almighty dollar. FML, I'm seriously considering building a darkroom, ditching digital. Pretty hard to scrape physical negatives.

[@skyscraperfan]

That confirms my stand that it is okay to pirate Adobe products. Basically all updates Adobe introduced since Photoshop CS2 from 2005 involve AI or at least some machine learning. That started with the spot removal tool and the smart selections. So if you not not need all that AI stuff, the 19 year old version will still pretty much do the job. That really amazed me. Cameras made such a huge jump since 2005, but photo editing software only saw a very gradual progress. That's why I do not understand why some people are willing to pay a subscription for Adobe products. The main feature of new versions are new lens and camera profiles. In the past new lens profiles were free. You were able to import them from Adobe Camera RAW, which is a free software. I am not sure if that is still possible. Copyright is a difficult topic. Copyright law already allow derivative works against the will of the copyright holder. It also is totally legal for you to copy the photographic style of another photographer or painter. So you could argue that what those AI models do is getting inspiration from real artists like another artist would also do it. AI models are already out of the box. You can already download some AI models with LM Studio and run them locally on your own computer even without internet access. Such models usually are a few gigabytes large and are loaded into your RAM. So you do not even need a high end computer to run them. Not even a high end graphics card. AI can become a matter of life and death. Imagine you create an AI with the single task of finding a way to kill a specific person. That person could even be the president. Such an AI would get smarter and smarter and sooner or later it would find a way. The only way to prevent that is creating another AI with the same task, but this time to warn the president or the Secret Service of any threats the AI could develop. That principle is true for all kinds of threats. Think like your enemy to find out what he could be planning!

[@Deruzejaku]

When I was trying to raise the issue for past years no one seemed to care, now since we already failed to make the law for it when it was happening, and new laws usually don't work back in time, people will work on older data sets even if future use is banned in some capacity. Probably even when I learned of it few years back it was already kinda late for some of this shit. But cat's out of the bag, and people will be happy unless AI will target their jobs specifically, totally lacking in imagination, I'm real saddened that the same lack of imagination was displayed by many "photographers", well maybe because they realized they don't live off of their photography but their internet persona, so they didn't feel like their job was at risk, so they will likely wait till AI will flood YT with billions of artificial youtubers, then they will also see the problem. If anyone is reading this, please think about why the F would someone give you something for free out of their free will? What someone will gain by giving you free access or whatnot. Should you trust people who run business in their word when they try to sell you the very thing in question, even if they are "experts" in the field? A random CEO of AI corpo comes out and says something like "I will make AI, so you don't have to work", and everyone is f'ing happy for loosing their jobs xD IDK I think I lost faith in humanity, everyone instead of thinking ahead can only deal with the outcome, this is beyond disappointing

[@officialstylechild]

Yes I agree, the realness and the truth is best. And I think it will make a comeback

[@undistractabl]

Im extremely worried about the future for photography. I recently purchased a new A7iii and a few other lenses including a dedicated wildlife lens. As a 17 year old im extremely worried especially since i want to pursue photography in the future full time. I really don't know what to think or do about this ai garbage.

[@andrewCambridgeUK]

Sorry guys, but you totally missed the point of Apple's iPad promo. It wasn't to imply that your creative tools or your talent were redundant and to be replaced by AI. I thought quite clearly that it was implying that the possibilities of all the different creative disciplines were being 'compressed' into the 'thinnest' device ever to realise one's creativity, just like the iPod wasn't about destroying music. it was about being able to have ALL of it in a single device.

[@fanjan7527]

I've been pondering this thing, it's semantics, but I don't know how else to go about it. Capitalism is not Free Market Economics for one specific seemingly unharmful notion. Free Market Economics is the focus of creating a business that solves a problem for a custom at maximum profit for the owner. Capitalism is the same, except "maximum profit for the share holder". Capitalism filters everything through the filter of "will the shareholders be happy" even if we do something that is not illegal.

[@tyurek]

Can we have an official "100% USDA Organic" label equivalent created for affixing to pictures,videos and art we share on social media to indicate that no AI was used in the production of the art? I'm not sure how that could be enforced and be genuine or if it would make any difference, but I sure would like to know when the art I'm looking at is purely human made.

[@JayDowney]

I've been hedging by buying into AI ETFs... The cat is out of the bag now I'm afraid.

[@TheBoatmike]

I read a good book about AI and the problem described in detail by the author, and mentioned here, and many other places, is that our social structure is not ready for AI. Social structure includes laws and ethics and even such things as courtesy - the whole mess that keeps our society going. Sadly, it is breaking down anyway with constant attacks on our institutions such as elections and the judicial system and belief in science. AI is going to make it much worse by undermining the very notion of what is true. Even Musk is warning AI is coming for all our jobs. Think of the cutural change necessaryt to break the padadigm that in order to eat, have shelter, stay healthy, and thrive, you must have a job. If 1/2 the jobs in our culture disappear because AI can do them faster and cheaper, what then?

[@Scott-u9t]

So they can make videos.. what I really mean is commercials just buy giving AI some parameters. But yes when watching TV I see the same commercials 5 times back to back. even though they can make commercials super cheap.

[@danielshepherd7306]

Ahh let's bring back the horse and buggy, and all the industry around horses... Or not. Replacing humans is not the main issue. That part increases economic output, and is a good news story. The AI issues are more around integrity of information and trustworthiness and deception. Intellectual property (including copyright) laws demonstrably need to be more time limited, not increased in scope.

[@peterwilson7532]

The Northrup's versus Google, Apple, Microsoft, Meta, Facebook etc. Sorry, only one winner in this battle and it's not the little guy.

[@007Yasir]

I think we have reached a point of equilibrium with human creativity and AI. AI systems trained on a fixed dataset of human knowledge might struggle to generate genuinely novel ideas or concepts. They could become trapped in a cycle of recycling and recombining existing information without introducing new insights that arise from human experiences and creativity. The resources needed to sustain and update AI systems could become significant. If humans are not actively involved in creating new content, there may be less incentive to invest in these resources.

[@mathiaschaves7604]

Well, if you didn't paid for the service then you are the service that somebody will pay for. Do you really thought companies were getting your data for free? People just go sign contracts without reading it and then excited to leech some service they want but then get mad when they do what was explicit as a trade in the contract. And what about the work of others that human creators build upon. Why you can be inpired by the work of others humans you didn't pay for but when other humans build AI to not copy but be inpired for the same work do you say it is a stealing. Everybody do this... Except for some special cases we can't complent... it's our fault.