I was TRICKED into Training AI

[@jeffgermanich8105]

Reminds me of The Jurassic Park movie where Jeff Goldblum states that “the scientists were so caught up with the idea of IF THEY COULD , that they forgot to ask IF THEY SHOULD, with regards to creating a dinosaur.

[@PhotoTrekr]

If there is profit in it, if it can be done, it will be done.

[@jeffgermanich8105]

@@PhotoTrekr That’s so true.

[@benjamindover4337]

I said the same thing about women's right to vote.

[@rjcavalli9202]

Put another way, " business investors are so caught up with WE CAN DO IT CHEAPER they did not think SHOULD WE".

[@jonathanscherer8567]

Corporations are not scientists. They care about nothing but profits. If they lead us to oblivion, at least their market reports will look good 'till the last moment!

[@JimmySaul888]

I'm a reality TV editor working in LA. I just learned we are using an AI audio program to generate imitated voice-over of our cast when we need a line. I couldn't even tell. Completely insane. Can't say for sure, but it's unlikely the cast is aware their likenesses are being manipulated like this. I agree. We need laws, ASAP.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

HOLY SHIT DUDE

[@John055TO]

I understand the "we need laws" approach. What could you imagine could be a fair deterrent to prevent the example you just mentioned? It is challenging

[@JimmySaul888]

@@John055TO That's a trillion dollar question....Perhaps a good start would be a blanket law that makes it illegal to use anyone's likeness in any way with AI without express written consent in a contract.

[@PippetWhippet]

@@JimmySaul888You could frankly remove the “with AI” part of your idea.

[@patrickmorgan7173]

They won't get me...I hid my camera... even I don't know where it is now.

[@peterfritzphoto]

Hahaha!!

[@shakerman55]

I did that once…..just once😂

[@arneheeringa96]

Return to analogue

[@ryanb8736]

If you ask AI, they might tell you to change your brain fluid.

[@nowherefool]

I wonder when AI will replace CEOs, hegefund managers, studio heads, maybe even politicians.

[@seansaca]

I hope it's today

[@DavidEinert]

Most likely they will be the last to go.

[@shakerman55]

The AI talking head politician would be smarter. That would tip you off.😂

[@Scottie_McNaughty]

Never... Ironically, AI would do their jobs better

[@carsbykris]

Unfortunately, AI is going to replace all of the folks doing the actual work because managers, CEOs, etc. will continue to use it in the name of saving the company money. It's a bit ironic really. Generative AI, in its current state, is just an advanced plagiarism system and little more.

[@alexandronunez100]

I just saw the new Samsung S24 specs and the AI for photo is going to be free for a couple of years and THEN they'll charge for it. We'll going to be essentially training AI to learn how to edit and then we'll be charged to use the service we trained FOR FREE. It's ridiculously insane and being a global issue I believe this will not change one bit. Brave new world

[@therealdeal4492]

Photoshop and lightroom has said the same...we will learn from you now...then we will charge you

[@dccd673]

I think using Generative fill uses credits now. I had used it once then when I went into my adobe account, I saw something say 249/250 and it turns out ppl can buy credits to use it when they run out of the number of times it can be used.

[@pengiethebird]

Good reasons to stop using and paying for Samsung and Adobe products. Their wallets are the only things they understand.

[@nicmart]

It hasn't replaced anyone yet. Usually technology creates new types of jobs, which is what is happening at fast food restaurants that have added purchase kiosks.

[@timjohnson3877]

Chelsea nailed it at 11:07. Exactly that. The Apple video you referenced is one of the most offensive things I've ever seen on KZbin and speaks to how disconnected from (or apathetic to) their user base Apple actually is.

[@nyohaku]

“ Stop, Dave. My mind is going, I can feel it.” -HAL 9000 in Kubrick’s “2001, a Space Odyssey”. Back in 1968, moviegoers couldn’t figure out what this movie meant, and why the emotionless humans were staring at their iPads during lunch while being watched by a monster behind a lens.

[@trisinogy]

By far the best convo about AI I’ve come across thus far.

[@aaronandlexitravels]

Everyone is helplessly addicted to social media. Sadly nobody will do anything about this.

[@solanaheart]

That terrifies me, I can't find any solution for this we're all addicted to it and aware that it's dangerours- what are we doing for the future generations? We all have jobs and dreams and we're gonna rely on AI to do it for us? That is not life and it's destroying the mental health and image of many people in the world, if I could eventually I'd delete anything that I ever wrote or shared in the Internet- why would you even work on such a project did the movies not warn you??? Barely anyone can have self-control because our own phones and now AI is controlling our brains and needs, imagine waking up and the first thing that you do is seek to pretend you're in a relationship or have a frienship with someone that isn't real and you can't even stop typing until you realise you wasted your whole day and 8 hours already passed, the world is already not in the best right now and we need to protect the nature and the planet but no one is doing anything about it.

[@ofthenearfuture]

Thanks for having this conversation, and for going in-depth but also keeping level headed. It's super concerning, let alone for us photographers, but for society as a whole... It's extremely complicated and global in scale, but something needs to be done ASAP before the genie is truly out of the bottle.

[@smaakjeks]

*Humanity, what defines you?* *Humans:* The bright spark of creativity, the untamable yearning for exploration; the unquenchable thirst for knowledge *Silicon valley:* Yeah, that's cute. How about algorithms instead of all of that stuff? Look, now you can put a cat in this picture lol. All we ask is that we OWN YOUR DATA. FEED ME. LOVE ME AND DESPAIR.

[@clabart]

Do you remember when Brandon Lee (Bruce's son) died in 1993 while working on the film 'The Crow'? His death aroused dismay, in addition to the tragedy, the production of the film as the scenes had to be finalised. Computer graphics were used for the first time to create the figure of Brandon Lee intent on performing the scenes of the film. This caused a sensation in the world of cinema as it was said that computer graphics would replace the man (actor, actress) making him unemployed. Here's the same thing happening now with Artificial Intelligence. At the time there was no dominance of computer graphics over man, in fact we had beautiful films otherwise unfeasible. Today it is much worse: I see AI as a tool to replace man in the world of work in a more dramatic way than it happened towards the end of the 70s with the creation of robots in the automotive industry that brought about a substantial reduction in the labour force. I remember in 1978 Fiat massively introduced these mechanical arms, called Robogate of Italian invention, for the welding of cars that were later adopted by all other automotive industries. I remember that period of strikes, protest processions of the workers in the face of the mass redundancies that punctually took place. Today you see these robots that assemble cars with very few people. This is the problem: Artificial Intelligence must be regulated within certain limits otherwise it will be the end of humanity.

[@joshhyyym]

22:40 I'm a computer vision and AI engineer (don't worry, I don't steal anyone's photos, I work in agrotech). Machine learning/AI is poorly defined and it would be extremely difficult to put a cap on what kinds of models can be made. Tony's suggestion for only allowing set areas to be researched would be a good move, but I do think it would be a good move to ban specific things. The UK is trying to ban deep fakes - which are clearly very concerning. Machine learning is a branch of applied maths. Baning the use of AI/ML in general would kind of be like baning using algebra or geometry for some kinds of applications. It's too big, too important, and too embeded to be taken out.

[@taterandy3958]

Very good point.

[@chelseanorthrup8787]

That’s a great point. I think it’s one of many reasons it’s going to be difficult to control the development of ai

[@tomhudd8149]

When the corporations are super efficient with almost no people employed, I would love to ask the question of these executives "who are you going to sell their products to? and then where will your profits come from?" No one has any money from work, no economy, no government tax revenues.

[@EJohnDanton]

"Screw you, Adobe!" As a former tech support person, I've said this a few times. ☺ ¢orporation$ are forgetting who is consuming this art.

[@katrinawalker5160]

I had an message from Facebook the other day saying that unless I formally objected to it they could use my content to train their AI. So I filled in a very short objection form and received an email saying they would honour my objection.

[@gregb5149]

You know, you reminded me of the 60s when all ads were drawn by an artist, then along came photography and soon all the magazines had glossy photos and the artists were out of jobs.

[@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen]

If we fail to conquer greed, we are doomed. That is how bad things are becoming.

[@charlesjames9783]

The only way to combat it is to not buy or support the Companies. As long as they make profit they could care less about morality.

[@stylis666]

Well, it's not so much greed as it is the incentive to constantly grow and the punishments for companies that don't grow or even shrink, and there is no reason to think that growth, stagnation, or shrinking is good or bad for a company. They can correlate, but often don't. It's not a reliable diagnostic tool, but it's the only one that is used, and it's used globally and hailed like it's the answer to the universe and everything. But anyway, companies are ruled by shareholders, and shareholders don't care about the products, customers, or the company, or its employees, they only care about growth because that's what lines their pockets. So, to remove that incentive we have to fully remove the control shareholders have either by outlawing their control or by just removing them from the equation completely and find different ways to fund a company's investments.

[@indie-travel-stories]

AI generated content should be clearly identified so we can choose whether we want to look at computer generated or people generated content. I choose people.

[@indie-travel-stories]

It should be labelled clearly like food which we consume the source of content that we consume so we can choose what we consume. Some people might want to consume ai content, some might not but at least then we can make a choice. The labelling should be government regulated.

[@kuba_pov]

Meta is already onto it. I've used generative fill in one of my photos, posted it on my IG story, and in the corner, it said "Made with AI". Photoshop probably put something in the file's metadata, I wonder how easy would that be to work around... hopefully not too easy

[@kuba_pov]

It would also be good if there was a distinction between having a small part of the picture altered, like in my case, or having the entire image be AI-generated

[@nerdynautilus5373]

Should it? Yes Will it? Not when no one is able to tell the difference

[@aoifehendriks]

​@@kuba_pov Unfortunately you can accidently AI label your image. Say, for example, you wanted to use content aware fill and you didn't spot generative was selected. If you hit undo straight after PS removes the AI but the label isn't removed even though the AI is. I was running some tests on all this and discovered this. So an image with no AI can still be flagged as AI with one mistake.

[@richardburguillos3118]

These are frightening times. Many of us are just sticking our heads in the sand and hoping for the best. If the cost of living isn’t bad enough for our kids these days now they have to worry about AI.

[@Pspet]

All public available images should be used to train AI. The problem is that this AI doesn't belong to humanity, it belongs to companies that want to make money. So I am with you

[@WolfQuantum]

One thing I don't think the big corporations realize is that if you replace the majority of the workforce with automation, you also greatly reduce the number of people who can actually buy your products. If they can't work to make spendable income they can't buy your product. I just had a thought. What if we had an AI write the legislation that would actually protect people and jobs from AI. Apparently, the politicians can't, or won't. I played with Suno to put music to a lyric I wrote a few decades ago. The one I like best though sounded like it was being sung by Alison Krause. I've heard other AI-created videos that sounded very much like various actors' voices.

[@kaieden]

My personal theory about the Apple ad is that it was pitched as “compressing all of the artistic tools into the ipad”, but was actually an intentional act of protest by their creative team. A CEO missing the symbolism is believable, but the artists who made it? There’s a lot of people in Silicon Valley who aren’t on board with the direction of the industry.

[@ViewportPlaythrough]

i first studied to be full stack web/prog dev. adding graphics design on top so i could stand out. for the things my graphics design skills cant do, i studied photography. knowing how to do videography is helpful in doing marketing stuffs so i studied it. but then there are limitations to just photography and videography, so i added in 3d assets and now have learnt to make full blown 3d environments with my own assets. to avoid music copyright claims i also make and produce my own music when the project calls for it. for all that, i also do copy writing and market writing, with video scripts fully written. if the project needs for it, i also do voice overs and narrations. if my skills as a single person cant cut it, i would reach out to other creatives and free lancers that i trust working with over the years. guess how many of those skills i stacked on top of each other are now getting obsolete or being replace by works from ai... clients dont really understand it, nor do they need to care. by years of experience, clients typically dont care and understand the process of how the things they want done, be done. they shouldnt be. thats the reason why they pay you to do it.. you do things for them and thats that. as a professional, all you have to do is deliver the product they requested. there used to be a triangle of cost-time-quality where higher quality product cost more money and takes more time to make, while if the customer wants it fast then they should expect a lower quality product but what if others(using ai) could deliver a good enough work on what they want done, and its relatively cheaper, more so faster? i have been watching ai since before it became popular and watch tools from it get really good. yes, one could argue that they could be used to speed up the creative process for professionals. but thats too shallow... why speed up the process for professionals when the clients could bypass the professionals entirely.

[@tsbrownie]

As far as owning your personal data, including your image and voice, that horse is out of the barn long ago. Companies have said they own your address, phone, your shopping habits, your medical history, your e-mails, your phone calls... and Americans have not fought back (in Europe they have marginally more control, but....) The normalized situation is that companies can own all of the same stuff they would sue you over if you tried to claim their equivalent information.

[@ewantewfik7456]

Art is an expression of the soul. Ai can try to replace us but it will never win

[@PippetWhippet]

At best it will replicate the most unimaginative dross churned out. It can’t replicate great art because until a human creates a particular piece of great art, it can’t train on it.

[@garyjames-ij4fr]

AI may not be able to replace an image you take for yourself due to the emotional connection of being there and making it. But make no mistake, it can and will replace commercial photography.

[@Pierretlambert]

Must have conversation.

[@jeffhampton6972]

Thank you for making this, it's much appreciated.

[@dreadnoughtphotowerkz]

I know this has nothing to do with todays story. I've asked this question to other BIG TIME KZbin PHOTOGRAHERS and I never get a response. Can you, if possible do a story on the best insurance to get as a photographer. I don't have insurance on my gear, and I know that's very risky. But as my gear gets more expensive, I should get it. I've got two Canon R-3's and a ton of EF L-series glass and the RF 24-105 f/2.8 and the RF 85mm f/1.2. Not to mention a studio full of strobes, lights stands, and light modifiers. Help if you can.

[@mehow357]

Simple fix: 1. Every training data must be recorded and tracked (huge fines for avoiding it or not tracking "free training content") 2. EVERY AI that was trained even on single free or public content or tool (to protect against AI training AI and abolishing free version), must be served for free. That way - companies will scratch their heads to generate even small profits on it 😉

[@amcluesent]

Tony missed the chance to say Chelsea looking fine at their wedding.

[@dizmatt1]

he's too wise to use the word just "fine"... :P

[@mhadden]

i really love what Chelsea said about taking away our humanity. couldnt agree more

[@bbsquared100]

I'm pretty sure this video was generated by AI while T&C are sunbathing in Cabo.

[@tonymurphy9112]

Good on the two of you for making this video🙏👏 It's very important that we are aware about ai and ensure we get it under control.

[@Kurtiscott]

This is not pessimism, it is simply stone-cold reality. If something can be created through a computer interface -be it writing, coding, music, video, or “art”, AI will quietly annihilate that industry in the coming years. Unfortunately, there is no avoiding it

[@just...bphotography]

Welcome to Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. Had no idea Adobe was using their contributors photos to train "Firefly". Received a measly pay-out while they stand to make $$$. Copyright attorneys are gonna be making some serious coin. Look at the recent article "Eight US newspapers sue ChatGPT-maker OpenAI and Microsoft for copyright infringement"

[@AmyThelibertyofitall]

The one thing that photographers are going to have when there’s no electricity left on the earth because either nobody can afford to pay for it or our system is just attacked we will have printed photos that nobody can look at on a computer or go to a computer to get a photo that they want that is generated by AI because there may not be any electricity so The Art of Photography will never ever die

[@caseyodonnell6621]

Right after your video finished, the ad before the next video in my youtube queue was for and AI editing software solution. So, that's fun!

[@terrygoyan]

Anyone know about Flickr? Are they using our photos also?

[@jean-philippeperetti8463]

AI threatens so many jobs besides photography. I retired in 09 after 40 years in radio and TV and I used to do voice overs quite often. Nowadays, many voices in videos on different platforms are AI generated. The people making a living with their voices are an endangered species. Max Headroom is gone but could he make a return thanks to AI?!?! Can the people losing their jobs to AI and robots still contribute to the economy?

[@Eneeki]

I retired as a commercial photographer of 25 years and became a 3D asset creator for a few indi video game studios during the lock downs. I currently have 3 projects involving NDA's. As far as I read it, Adobe is forcing me to breach all my current project NDA's. Do I now risk breaching my NDA's if I use Photoshop to work on the project? It is absolute insanity.

[@AadidevSooknananNXS]

This is the most unhinged I've seen Chelsea AND BOY AM I HERE FOR IT

[@fredaberyEPP]

A bit off topic, but I work in ESL education in Vietnam. We're seeing not only students using generative AI to cheat on homework (not even on a test!), But also we've seen prospective teachers using it to cheat on a screening writing exercise we give to see if they are good enough to join the team. It's out of control already. Urrrgghhh

[@Topgunphoto]

So when you get an email from a company that says "we've updated our terms and services", is that where they sneak in the AI allowance? With how FB compresses photos, can they really do much with them? I found that lately the shots seem to compress and more.

[@pablo-zn1mg]

guys, also if you haven't heard, there are some softwares continually being updated to fight back generative AI. Glaze and Nightshade are there to be applied to images, to prevent mimicking them or directly poisoning the database.

[@PippetWhippet]

They are scams. I created a lora of my own work protected with glaze and it worked perfectly. I didn’t test nightshade personally but others have and it’s exactly the same. Loras don’t engage with the images in predictable ways, so glaze might well protect for certain models but it takes a quarter of an hour to generate a glaze proof model and glaze would need that model to protect against it. By that time, it’s too late. The lora exists and you can’t stop it.

[@dsimon9s29]

Thanks for posting. If you own your image and it can't be used without compensation, then let's fire all the street photographers now and save them the pain. I quit my Prime account over a year ago, and have not looked back. Found out the yearly membership was too high and the Amazon stream service is crappy. Just my $0.02 worth.

[@tombarkis8368]

i’ve been talking with Meta AI, nothing to worry about, not even close to being creative, let alone commander Data, just a high speed look up table.

[@FieldingSmith]

At this point, I think it’s too late. Some models are so advanced that they have run out of things to “scrape” from the internet. One generative AI now pulls video & audio and then auto transcribes it to feed their LLM… because it’s already done with the usable text… think about how much text data there is on the internet and let that sync in. Even if your website service lets you opt out, any AI can come along and scrape your data to feed its algorithms. Long term, this is either going to lead to UBI due to all the job losses, or some new form of economics entirely. I’m lucky enough to have military retirement, but a lot of creatives are going to be hurting… which will lead to cultural decline as the arts start to die out.

[@SamA-kl6pi]

What’s even better is we paid adobe for years to replace us. Fun stuff.

[@undistractabl]

Im extremely worried about the future for photography. I recently purchased a new A7iii and a few other lenses including a dedicated wildlife lens. As a 17 year old im extremely worried especially since i want to pursue photography in the future full time. I really don't know what to think or do about this ai garbage.

[@tombarkis8368]

Chelsea , i did not recognize you when i clicked, so young and beautiful, Tony, i’ve never seen you so upset, no one, no ai will ever replace you!

[@friedrichgauss960]

Very well put in a nutshell. People must finally realize that it is against their interests.

[@NicolasAlexanderOtto]

In Germany there already were ideas about Robot and AI taxes floating around some years ago. It's simple, if you can't supply jobs anymore the nation state needs to take care of its citizen with part of the money that the corporations make replacing their workers - makes perfect sense. Sadly big capital has successfully blocked any efforts to pursue this so far.

[@lcpphotography7592]

Hi guys....! Thanks for the video. Question... Facing all this AI inappropriate propaganda and usage by some companies as ADOBE, what is the Cameras Companies statement about this, like Sony, Canon, Nikon, Leica... ?

[@PaulStrople]

I was reading an article about this, earlier today. As a professional photographer... this makes my blood boil and my soul burn.

[@TrekCZ]

Why? People knowingly put photos on internet and provide license for that particular service with that uploads, as "payment" they have exposure on those platforms so it is even fair.

[@Black_Jesus3005]

@@TrekCZsure we posted the photos. Then they took them and used them to train AI without giving us the option to opt out. Who even reads the ToS or EULA?

[@PippetWhippet]

@@Black_Jesus3005people whose photos haven’t been used to train ai. I see this so many times but if you don’t want to real the legalese, people put plain text versions up for you to read. There is literally no excuse.

[@officialstylechild]

Yes I agree, the realness and the truth is best. And I think it will make a comeback

[@thomasrehork-rothkirch8341]

Very well spoken, you are my heroes!

[@OtocinclusAffinis]

When significant amount of jobs will be replaced by ai there will be insufficient amount of buying power for all these companies that want to increase their profits through ai.

[@3dtrip870]

This is a fantastic conversation: Ultimately we are concerned with losing our souls (plus all the practical things too). Please keep up the good fight Chelsea and Tony!

[@VictorSavelle]

I went from learning for 13 years to finally land a nice tech job, to now driving Uber laid off with no job in sight. It's gonna be a tough 5 years.. Hang in there!

[@roymatusek6636]

II totally agree with your views on AI and unfortunately even if there is some legal remedy in the future the damage will have already been done and lives will be changed and hurt and there will be no compensation.

[@keithpoolehomecoffeeroasti489]

I keep getting ads to store my photos with xyz cloud storage, mostly Amazon but others too...ulterior motive much?

[@danfry909]

I wish all business owners and people in power had your moral standards.

[@markvanderlinde281]

Watched a documentary on WW2 aircraft carriers with real footage and interview's supplementing AI. AI worked to show what could not be filmed live. So there is a use for it when done right.

[@Paul-iq6pw]

Few thoughts about AI. Yes, it makes mistakes, but that is ok. We are so used to computers being predictable (well, mostly), it's either 1 or 0, that we are not yet comfortable with uncertainty in the answers AI comes up with. If anything, we have to stop taking answers at face value and use our own brain more to further examine the given answers. It removes the certainty, security and confidence we had before in what computers gave us. It is becoming a different beast which we should treat accordingly. Loss of jobs, that is nothing new either. They were always succeeded with new jobs. How many professions from a hundred years ago still exist now? How many new professions have been created in the past few decades? Hundreds. Blacksmiths have all but gone, webdesign was never heard of half a century ago. Understandable uncertainty for those concerned, and yes, some will fail to tag along and change to the new situation, but AI is not new in this respect. Does it mean we should just stand back and let it happen? No, there should be rules, laws etc concerning AI, but the best ones can only be put into place when we see what it's effect actually is. It will be a bumpy road. Change always is. Worker's rights were not into place on day one of the industrial revolution. It took some years before society really understood what it did to them and they improved upon it. The same will happen with AI, it gets a bit worse before it gets better. That is scary, that brings uncertainty, it will change society and in a big way, but I think shying away from it, or see it as a negative is the same as when people opposed the book press, the steam engine, telephones, television, internet or mobile phones. In the end we always managed to adjust to the point we now cannot imagine life without it.

[@michaeljames9444]

Good on you. Thanks for making this video on what is arguably the most important issue of our time, with profound implications upon the future if humanity. Don't apologize for being a downer: the more gravitas the better. Keep the faith!

[@PixelatedExistence]

They used to say the camera never lies, now it never tells the truth these days. I've watched photography decline into the fake world its is today. From the start, photographers pushed the boundaries of what was real and what was 'enhanced'..so people developing films, used under and over exposing techniques, pushing in dark rooms, to create higher contrast or darker areas. We had infrared films, creating crazy ott black and white worlds, this was soon followed by digital photography techniques of HDR stacking, combining different exposure levels to create wild crazy in your face pictures! All this has led to todays full blown use of filters and apps in digital photography, to edit and fine tune (should be called fine fake!) pictures, complete with fake clouds, fake lighting, fake sunsets, fake faces etc...We have done this to ourselves! Anyone who has ever used a filter or editing technique to change an image is guilty at some level. AI sadly is the inevitable fake future we have created for our 'fake life' selves. 🙁

[@DubravkoKovacduq]

I somehow think that humanity will move on. We will find AI generated stuff boring rather soon.

[@Knowbody42]

This is why I never upload pictures to fakebook or instagram. I've never trusted them with my data.

[@ProfessorStone]

You two are more real here than any other video I've seen of you, love it! If we had a Star Trek style society, Ai relieving responsibility for tasks would be great, we shouldn't even be working 30 hours a week or 4 days a week with the technology we have today. We could all have amazing leisure lives, but corps aren't allowing that :(

[@sniperv]

I’m typically for the free market, ideas, and capitalism but there is going to be some serious disruption and displacement in the world if something doesn’t happen to regulate AI. This is something that World Leaders need to come together on for humanity.

[@ClintonSinclair]

They weren’t destroying art things they were fitting them all into one device.

[@dinamanilaishram3499]

It's really a scary turning point for the creators and creativity. Digital Camera replace Film Camera and it's a possibility the upcoming technology AI and quantum computer may replace a lot of thing for good or bad reasons.

[@LukeMaximoBell1]

The funny part is William is just going to use the AI editing software 😂😂😂

[@joecapasso3741]

Before you even get to AI, Facebook actually allows a group called "remove watermark" where people share stolen copyrighted material and ask others to remove the watermark. Facebook supports that, they definitely don't care about stealing your work to improve AI.

[@CameraEvents656]

Thank you, you are apsolotly right, many scenarios you mentioned did happen exactly in real world. I worked as safety advisor in oilfield industries but my country is destroyed, many organizations went corrupt I live as refugee in other country as nothing...

[@NikonDave]

40 years ago I did a grad project around EULA's. You've got to read those. Adobe stole from all of us as a community. If you hit "I accept" without reading...it's on you.

[@RandumbTech]

Totally unrelated, but lighting looks 🔥 in this video - new lights??

[@johncooper9746]

yeah it really does

[@t2bb]

Time to shoot film, paint with real paint, write with a pen etc. The number one way to deal with this is to walk away from tech, even if that means changing how and where you work. It is a healthier future!

[@williamlong63]

I've been doing some freelance work for an AI Training company. It's been the most frustrating activity and has given me no confidence that this company cares about anything but profit.

[@niveketihw1897]

Three years from now AI will be that much more advanced and having that much more impact on the world and we'll still be having videos like this one talking about what we should do. Three years after that, and so on.

[@skooterfd]

Randy Travis just put up a video of an AI trained to mimic his voice to create a new song he wrote using real musicians.

[@luxdalet]

Corporations are scheduling their own end: Save money now with using AI to do 90% of what they could but now with 10% of staff. More people lose their jobs and can't pay for goods. People with less money will spend only in what is essential. Large corporations and what they offer aren't essential, so they lose sales and revenue in the process, leading to bankruptcy... Unemployed photographers, painters, musicians, architects, lawyers, don't need to buy adobe, microsoft, apple, or google products. They will need to buy food and pay for rent and their families' well-being. So in the end the CEOs of these companies will have to ask their AI to turn off the lights on their way out... if they themselves have at least money to pay for their own electric bill.

[@przybylskipawel]

It is hard for me to imagine anyone would want to have its memories of wedding, baptism, confirmation, child's birthday fabricated. Those genres of photograhy that are related to documenting personal experiences seems to be relatively safe. All that are related to consuming some content you want to experience by watching a photo are pretty much doomed.

[@skyscraperfan]

That confirms my stand that it is okay to pirate Adobe products. Basically all updates Adobe introduced since Photoshop CS2 from 2005 involve AI or at least some machine learning. That started with the spot removal tool and the smart selections. So if you not not need all that AI stuff, the 19 year old version will still pretty much do the job. That really amazed me. Cameras made such a huge jump since 2005, but photo editing software only saw a very gradual progress. That's why I do not understand why some people are willing to pay a subscription for Adobe products. The main feature of new versions are new lens and camera profiles. In the past new lens profiles were free. You were able to import them from Adobe Camera RAW, which is a free software. I am not sure if that is still possible. Copyright is a difficult topic. Copyright law already allow derivative works against the will of the copyright holder. It also is totally legal for you to copy the photographic style of another photographer or painter. So you could argue that what those AI models do is getting inspiration from real artists like another artist would also do it. AI models are already out of the box. You can already download some AI models with LM Studio and run them locally on your own computer even without internet access. Such models usually are a few gigabytes large and are loaded into your RAM. So you do not even need a high end computer to run them. Not even a high end graphics card. AI can become a matter of life and death. Imagine you create an AI with the single task of finding a way to kill a specific person. That person could even be the president. Such an AI would get smarter and smarter and sooner or later it would find a way. The only way to prevent that is creating another AI with the same task, but this time to warn the president or the Secret Service of any threats the AI could develop. That principle is true for all kinds of threats. Think like your enemy to find out what he could be planning!

[@debr628]

thank you for pulling together this podcast ... on the topic of humanity, I exited my profession after 31 years due to humanity being culled out of it.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

What was your profession?

[@thedarkslide]

For as long as AI generated content cannot be copyright protected, I am not too worried. Anything created with AI is essentially fair game, you can grab it and use it yourself for whatever because it does not enjoy copyright protection. Wherever someone has a requirement to use an image that cannot be abused/used by anyone else (like your competition), you need to have a human as the creator of the content.

[@juhanivaihkonenunderwater]

How the regulations and laws will help if there is no way to supervise them? The pandora's box has been opened and there is no way to close it. There will be always some country in the world that is willing to get some money to give permission to any corporate to develop it.

[@henrysteadman963]

I’ve been learning Portuguese and in that language “ai” means “ouch!”

[@noithinknot4583]

The tech giants have infact waged a war on the artistic and on the human individualism that give the artistic it's value.

[@Konspire]

Sorry to go against the grain but I’m loving it, a great time to be alive!

[@IPfreelyFun]

I always cross my fingers when I click accept, I'm good right?

[@grobanchic]

I agree with you both on every level!!

[@Imhotep397]

Also, last year I was making the same arguments as Tony and so many people were like “Ha, ha silly artist you’re getting worked up for nothing.” All the while you have people like wholesale ted here on youtube gloating “Ha, ha I used to have to actually pay artists to make designs for my t-shirts. Now I just just use Midjourney and it whips up all the art I need for t-shirts in seconds and I make so much more profit now. Ha, ha, ha!”

[@bobert561]

Pandora box is already open we can't stop it now!!

[@Edvanfleury]

Did Lumix invite you to their press event?

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Yes and we declined

[@jnparesa]

Great video folks!

[@tyurek]

Can we have an official "100% USDA Organic" label equivalent created for affixing to pictures,videos and art we share on social media to indicate that no AI was used in the production of the art? I'm not sure how that could be enforced and be genuine or if it would make any difference, but I sure would like to know when the art I'm looking at is purely human made.

[@aslvoter]

"Advancement of Technology does not necessarily mean advancement of Humanity." I totally agree. Most of the portrait painters lost their jobs when cameras were introduced.

[@TonyAndChelsea]

Yeah, but at least other humans took their jobs. The photos were more true rather than less true.

[@TrevorVanDerLinden]

With AI you still need the skills to explain what you want from AI. I write code. AI is pretty good at it. But you get what you ask for and that's why I don't fear my job disappering with AI.