I Was Wrong About Ben 10

Ben 10 Alien Force season 3 is here and I owe Ben an apology
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Background music:
- Nocturne No. 7 in C Sharp Minor by Chopin, played by Carlos Márquez
- the rest is from the Ben 10 Alien Force DS Game

[@markzaccardi8513]

He was warned, but in his hubris he flew too close to the sun and was burned (tldr, it’s really that bad)

[@Lowart]

Pride cometh before the fall

[@scourgeanimations444]

@@LowartThe series must've BEN a journey for you. At least other early 2000's CN shows may be more fruitful than this... Rollercoaster.

[@lilylopnco]

@@scourgeanimations444 Still wanna see Generator Rex covered

[@scourgeanimations444]

@@lilylopnco That and stuff like Transformers Animated

[@masteredultrainstinctlucar1239]

@@Lowart don’t worry, Ben goes back to normal for ultimate alien, minus a few episodes where he acts like he did for the majority of season 3. But those ones are very few so it’s not a big deal.

[@RackerTheRascalMashup]

Basically What you heard it's true, the network did interfere with the production, originally they wanted to make a dragon's plotline while doing something with Kevin's mutation but not what was shown in the final product They were forced to change everything as the ratings of alien force were getting lower than the original Series, fun fact, the fool's gold episode was made out of sheer anger, "if you don't let us do what we want, then you'll get poop"

[@Ratchetfan321]

Got some proof to show him that he couldn't find?

[@lam7207]

Yep and The Ink Tank is still trying to find more informations about AF Season 3 original plot to make a whole video on the subject and so far, I'm not 100% sure if more info has been discovered yet. This is what has been discovered so far: 1. Kevin's Mutation 2. The Dragon's Returning Plotline 3. Doing the Cthulhu Dagon I even commented on The Ink Tank AF Season 2 Finale Part 1 Breakdown suggesting that he could maybe try reaching out to Eugene Son again and asked Eugene if he wants to do that Interview again so we can learn more about AF & UA Pre-Production, Scrapped ideas, Behind the Scenes and the Original Plot of AF Season 3, but my comment was like months ago and I even commented a 2nd time on his AF Season 2 Finale Part 2 Breakdown, but that was also months ago aswell so I'm not even sure if Kuro is even considering my idea.

[@haosmagnaingram6992]

@Kit so most of the confirmation would be stuff Dwayne McDuffie’s old forums unfortunately much to my frustration a lot of this wasn’t archived (something that has come up a lot in the ink tank reviews)

[@skittle5690]

they also wanted to do something with ben's ultimate forms (considering he had white eyes or said something out of the ordinary after changing back)

[@NerdMiGerd]

@@skittle5690 Yeah, it sounds like they wanted Ben to go through like a symbiotic arc in Ultimate. Weirdly enough I started to like his characterization again when they made him the villain in a couple arcs.

[@NoxiMation]

No one ever talks about that Kevin sumo slammers inconsistency. It always bothered me because even in the classic series he was such a fan.

[@krishnanandpremanand3581]

Well it was more of a self referential gag where they say Ishiyama and Keng Ko now team up after 5 years, which is unrealistic and how the classics were way better

[@horizonenjoy2323]

Yeah but maybe people grow out of thing

[@trentmoore6947]

@@horizonenjoy2323 he grew out of it that quickly, even when Kevin was still clearly into the series when he was a teenager? They don’t even mention the fact he was into sumo slammers and than got over it he just suddenly said he doesn’t get why Ben likes this show.

[@trentmoore6947]

@@krishnanandpremanand3581 that doesn’t explain why Kevin suddenly doesn’t like sumo slammers anymore, he literally was like “Ben, why do you like this series?”.

[@krishnanandpremanand3581]

@@trentmoore6947 yeah this would've worked better with Julie or someone else

[@5Picoseconds]

While it does suck that you aren't gonna see some of the cool things (and loads of missed potential) in Ultimate alien, I think it's kinda fitting that AF season 3 was what broke you to the point of stopping. Thanks for the great videos!

[@Ty-cx5zj]

Very fitting as I think AF kinda did irreparable damage to ben as a character as we never got to find a personality that is consistent with him it always a back and forth or just him not learning lessons that he should have as episodes pass.

[@kevscollectibels4936]

@@Ty-cx5zj season 3 or the other 2 wheres ben machered

[@kichz.7694]

Its funny imo, thought he might continue but s3 of AF really is abyss fiction

[@alexandrefrauches132]

Sadly the biggest problem with Ben 10 is the same problem fans have with Spider Man post-One More Day: THEY DON'T ALLOW THE CHARACTER TO GROW. CN forced the showrunners to make Ben so unlikable because they wanted to tried to recapture that feeling from original series, which only work because Ben was kid and his attitude was consistent with his age and personality at the time. Having Ben acting this way in Alien Force, when he is already teenager completly ignore all his grow through both series and doesn't makes Ben look like relatable hero. It makes him come off as imature man-child.

[@philipbadguy3794]

I also think some of the blame lies on the writers also. Yes Ben was maturing In alien force but imo he became really boring and wasn't that interesting to watch in alien force.

[@alexandrefrauches132]

@@philipbadguy3794 That more option up to the fans. I personally though Alien Force was next step for Ben character, with him still having ego problem but now being more aware and trying to be more active and responsible now that he no longer has Grandpa Max. It's clear the writers wanted to continue develop Ben into more mature hero but CN came in and force them to write Ben more like he was in the original series, despite the fact he was now a teenager.

[@Kardam_LuciFer]

Answer this question of mine have you seen any 15 to 18 teens who's 'Mature'?(there are few exceptions but those are extreme cases!)Were you Mature at that age?

[@alexandrefrauches132]

@@Kardam_LuciFer That's not the point. Both the original series and Alien Force are about Ben growing from a arrogant kid to more humble and heroic figure. By Alien Force season 3, he should act more responsible and mature like he was in the previous. He was flawed but was cleary more aware of his flaws and took responsability for his mistakes. Having Ben still act like child after all this seasons it's not natural, it's pure character regression (I would say is character assassinations, considering that even original series Ben wasn't that unlikable).

[@kristofgriffin384]

I think Vilgax's return could've been better executed if Ben actually lost the fight. Since Ben stopped the Highbreed invasion he's become a respected hero that's praised throughout the universe. It would make sense that he'd become a bit more brash and cocky, which results in him not trying as hard. Conversely, Vilgax has spent the last few years conquering other planets, absorbing the powers of their respective champions, and becoming stronger. When the two clash for the first time after so many years, because Ben was unprepared he's quickly defeated and Vilgax finally emerges victorious. Basically, Vilgax should've been to Ben what Clubber Lang was to Rocky, or Bane was to Batman. This can result in either Ben losing the Omnitrix here, or Vigax finally conquering Earth. Then perhaps this season can have an over-arching plot of Ben getting back into shape, devising a plan to take down Vilgax, and save the Earth. To this season's credit there were a handful episodes I did enjoy: "Single Handed", "If All Else Fails", "Busy Box", "Con of Wrath", and "Above and Beyond".

[@ianthibeault404]

While I like this idea, considering they seemingly had to make AF more like the original show I don't think they could have gotten away with the seaso beginning with something as mature as Ben losing the planet in the season openner. My idea has been that we make the upcoming fight with Vilgax the hook for the season, have him challenge Ben and then include something like a court approved date to explain why they can't just fight now. Sure this doesn't seem in-character for Vilgax either, but if he's going to go the Lawful Evil route then really hammer that point home. Have him say something along the lines of how he's tried to conquer Earth his normal ways and failed so he's trying something different and unexpected. Then the episodes have an underlying story arc of Ben and Vilgax getting ready to face one another, you can have episodes where Ben is trying to unlock aliens or gets one after helping an unrelated situation. Vilgax meanwhile can appear at the start and/or end of an episode, whatever champion he just faced beaten and him claiming their power or weapon to build up his threat level.

[@mauricesmith4004]

I was so confused how they went from a decently caring and smart Ben to this. Biggest character assignation!

[@ishawrizz]

i think things like happens with a lot of teenagers, i've seen a lot this irl. a lot them went through a drastic change from what they initially were to something entirely different and edgy more than ever before, so with that i still don't really have much of a problem although his words on vilgax/kevin/gwen were true.

[@WolforNuva]

​@@ishawrizz Context matters though. While that can happen with a lot of teenagers, Ben should not have been one of them. This is supposed to be someone who's been through a lot and matured well past his years because of all the stuff he's been through.

[@jollama]

Ah yes assignation

[@Autobotmatt428]

This is why Omniverse retconned the retcon

[@mayotango1317]

And become worst.

[@shiromatsunoki]

While I agree the Vilgax change is drastic and not well handled, I think they could have made it slightly less jarring if they changed it so that he only started ruling Vilgaxia between the timeskip of classic and Alien Force. Maybe he changed his ways in order to be a better ruler for his people. Yeah it still wouldn't feel in line with Vilgax but at least in this scenario it could be somewhat excused as character progression/development instead of assassination.

[@NoahStorys]

We warned you about this season... hope he sticks for the entire franchise... I think Omniverse really builds up...

[@AscendtionArc]

There's a lot of good in Omniverse, but also quite a bit of bad, particularly with how it treats characters.

[@daymianhogue1634]

Omniverse has a few high points but terribly low low-points frequently

[@ilan_profile]

Based on what he expected of Ben 10, Omniverse definetly has most stuff he's looking for

[@daymianhogue1634]

@@ilan_profile lol no early alien force wouldve been it. Omniverse does a lot of continued character backpedaling like season 3 of alien force did. Like the way Julie and Ben separated.

[@ilan_profile]

@@daymianhogue1634 Omniverse still has some continuity errors, yeah, but I can get over that with its world building, season arcs, character development, OVER 70 ALIENS, impressive animation, etc. I feel the positives completely outweight the negatives compared to UAF or OS

[@kingrippzard2027]

Oh lord. Season 3 is a thing to be dreaded in the Ben 10 brand

[@mar_speedman]

Season 3 of the original show was pretty good. It's season 4 that went downhill

[@paulgilbert5278]

Even in the original show, Ben became a bit more jerk like I’m Season 3

[@andrevaughn6980]

“Perhaps I treated you too harshly!” - Lowart probably 😂

[@alexhirsch5738]

I think it's really sad, because Vilgax as a hero to his own people has a TON of interesting potential that the show just doesn't interrogate at all. Vilgax is a galaxy-conquering tyrant but his own people love him because he keeps them safe? You just wrote half a Star Trek story about perspective and different alien cultural values, just steal the other half and you're golden! But instead the episode is full of cutesy moments where Gwen pats Vilgax on the back and says "maybe you're a nice guy after all" to the dude who has tried to kill them all a dozen times.

[@mar_speedman]

She's been all doey eyed at the *other* megalomaniac who tried to kill her and Ben on several occasions. At that point, it's in character for her

[@MilczekHD]

Oof, a shame it was cut short. Happen to have grown to like the later series Omniverse a lot over the years. Although I suppose I knew from the start of Alien Force that its 3rd season would be what stopped the momentum. Also, hit the nail right on the head with Vilgax. I really wish they just said he was a different character that's related to him in AF instead of changing virtually everything about him and making him this joke/shell of his former self. Wouldn't have had as much impact if he was some other guy I guess, but it's better than completely off characterization. The Vilgax I knew would destroy an entire city just to find Ben and break out of an ice block and come out swinging the moment Kevin 11 thought of him as anything less than the most dangerous and feared being in the galaxy. Not you know, abide by galactic law and get beaten up and made fun of constantly by characters he should be able to easily defeat.

[@Ty-cx5zj]

I'd still recommend the good portions of Omniverse as it still a great different interpretation enough for your time.

[@kichz.7694]

agreed, despite the bad stuff in omniverse the good arcs in it are my favorite parts in the franchise imo alongside the og series

[@Juli_is_Online]

What exactly are the *good* portions of Omniverse though. That varies so much from person to person

[@yashjoshijee2294]

@@Juli_is_Online Umm feedback arc, Multiverse arc etc rook, ester, pakmar, patelliday and so on. ...

[@erikpng]

@@yashjoshijee2294 another Pakmar enjoyer, I see.

[@yashjoshijee2294]

@@erikpng Yeah

[@verymelonman12]

Yeah even as a kid this was the point Ben 10 began falling off for me. It was like Cartoon Network got cold feet about making these characters...likable or something and had them become massive prima donnas in some strange attempt at "adding personality".

[@aloshaguno1848]

"I'm tired of Ben 10 giving me sloppy retcons". Good thing he's skipping Omniverse then.

[@yashjoshijee2294]

Omniverse had only one big retcon and that was Rooters retcon. uaf has dozens of retcons

[@ace1durago04]

Omniverse retcons mostly went against uaf retcons anyways

[@ben10fanpage56]

Onmiverse fixed the uaf retcons

[@scourgeanimations444]

Good Ole Big Ben~ TOP TEN ANIME DEATHS 1.Lowarts hope for the series!

[@TDay-uk6dq]

honestly this is hilarious and i love it

[@gejinho4958]

Rest in peace ben 10 reviews, it was fun while it lasted

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

the ink tank is a thing.

[@gejinho4958]

Rest in peace lowart's ben 10 reviews then

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

@@gejinho4958 yeah it was entertaining.

[@arnoldgila9212]

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 yeah i watch it since save the last dance

[@DemonArshan]

TheFlamingShark reactions to Ben 10 >>>

[@Druguzu]

Honestly it's a shame, even as a kid I hated the inconsistency of this season and ultimate alien, but man I remember it being better than this. Guess I won't be rewatching ever, but I'm glad you did this series.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

just check out the ink tank if you don't wanna rewatch it.

[@sebastiansuazo2734]

JUST-JUMP-TO-OMNIVERSE !!!! you dont even need to see UAF for that , like the most you must know about uaf is that ben gets a new watch so you dont question why in omniverse he has a new one.

[@alonsotoon]

This has been such a wild ride

[@light9205]

The retcons are insane

[@Hadeks_Marow]

I need to ask, when you are reviewing these episodes, are you taking into consideration production order vs airing order??? Cause some of these continuity issues could be due to you viewing them in the wrong order.

[@raseruuu3742]

ACCURATE BEN VOICE LINE AT THE END LMAO!

[@craboomba]

Thank you for this 10pm upload I will watch in bed all snuggled and warm

[@k.g.7591]

I feel like season 3 was all about the fact that someone was like “alien force isn’t enough like the original. I miss the bratty Ben and the evil Kevin” and so they doubled down and made this.

[@Master-Works]

Kevin became a jerk and a murderer

[@pablosilva6932]

4:47 This line is poetically ironic

[@GIRGHGH]

I didn't even know you were watching it, good to know it's not gonna be a complete series so I don't need to waste my time watching more from you on this.

[@sophiadebar382]

Sometimes I gotta come to these videos when Kuro gives Ben too much credit lmao

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Same lol

[@vigilantsycamore8750]

Season 3 of Alien Force basically combined the worst parts of the first two seasons of Alien Force with the worst parts of the classic series and didn't even try to make them *fit* with each other. And while the franchise did get better at times after this, this season's problems *still* continued to affect the show

[@mrb5940]

4:48 omniverse fans: 💀

[@yashjoshijee2294]

Nope uaf fans

[@dumbahawk]

It's too bad this is what broke you. Me personally I didn't like AF Or UA but I thought the OG Ben 10 was an alright show as a kid I can definitely see the flaws it had though and Omniverse was probably the peak of Ben 10 Media we'll ever get despite it's own flaws I think it's by far the best show they released

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

agreed

[@perry-1572]

I appreciate your willingness to stick it out. I think you had a really fresh perspective on the series, and its helped me consider episodes in lights I never really thought of before. I'm content with you leaving things off here, and naturally I'm looking forward to whatever you cover next! ...If I may throw a suggestion in, Man of Action worked on a show called Generator Rex, which, to me, is their best work. I hope that if you feel like checking that out, you enjoy it, because I remember the story and characters fondly. But I'm more than happy to see you critique it as well. Have a good one.

[@silentghost751]

OG Ben is their best work

[@ScarlettTamer]

​​@@silentghost751We saw how that take turned out 💀

[@BlueSparxLPs]

I would have been way more surprised if you'd said you were continuing after this season. It's been a great series of videos regardless!

[@alexdinu589]

When I watched an episode after season 2 I saw gwen saving him and ben couldn't use the omnitrix because it was covered by some metal and last season he used it without touching it so I thought oh he is an impostor or decoy or something but no Also I agree vilgax was botched this season before he was like darkseid or thanos if that was a different character the same species as vilgax that would've been pretty cool

[@dovahkin6120]

Would be great if Vilgax was ruthless towards his "enemies" but gentle with his people, something like Gaius Julius Caesar.

[@hotshotpc]

IMO Ultimate Alien season 1 is very enjoyable, but then it gets progressively worse again like AF. I personally love the series though, through its highs and lows.

[@RolandTechnicalDesigner]

I get what you mean about season 3, but please cover Omniverse! It has my fav character Paradox as well

[@dtay8913]

That was a quick period between reviews, I was expecting another few days before there was another Ben 10 upload.

[@revolutionary_thoy]

oof

[@gabrielaliaga7830]

Well... This was an interisting Journey

[@alessandrosousa5917]

Holy shit, I just really realized your name comes from "Low Art" just because you said it out loud. Damn, I feel stupid now.

[@soraceant]

It is time for you to stop. Ben 10 in general isn't for you.

[@Huedenne]

Honestly you could just skip UA entirely - all you'd be missing is a few new aliens and that he gets a new watch

[@theirishpotato6588]

Wrong

[@user-cq8kd7nx3d]

Comeback again to this vid again just to remember this season destroy Lowart mind and it's the season that stop Kuro from full breakdown every episode of Ben10 and change some episode to short breakdown

[@vishuprathikanti9352]

Damn I fr thought the one kid he had to apologize to was Naruto 😂 Still waiting on the rest of that series

[@Lowart]

Nah I've been trying to call him but he won't pick up. Silly kid.

[@mrcuccob6386]

Funnily enough Ben 10 and Naruto share voice actress in latin america lol

[@italucenaz]

@@mrcuccob6386 hispanic america right? In Brazil they are different VAs

[@mrcuccob6386]

@@italucenaz Yes hispanic. Sorry, should have written that instead of latin america.

[@italucenaz]

@@mrcuccob6386 is there only one hispanic american official dub though? I know there would be a bunch of differences between each countries accent

[@Dagowit]

OG Vilgax = 2003 General Grievous AF Vilgax = TCW General Grievous

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

The episode where his hand gets cut off is really good

[@13thseeker73]

We don't talk about season 3 of alien force

[@varunKawatkar]

Now the last shot is ben 10 omniverse

[@CloppingIsMyThing]

Yer this was the main reason why I like Ben 10 over omniverse.

[@AskAir]

Yo, you should get me on board your next Ben 10 video brother!

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

@@SilverBladeProductions sarcasm is obviously beyond you in text.

[@OshawottLuke]

I really wanted you to cover Ultimate Alien because it's the most interesting saga to talk about but I'm happy that you won't suffer through it because you'd probably feel the same as you did with Alien Force. But I really think that it would've been the one that you would've disliked the least.

[@cartoonfanatic]

UAF is the worst series of Ben 10

[@TheKaitykatz]

I think it became pretty clear during the first parts of alien force review that you probably wouldn't like the rest of the series. Ben 10 is just wildly inconsistent in every iteration and show and while I personally like ben 10 and am willing to look past the flaws it's clearly something that just isn't for you and I gotta respect that. At some point you gotta tap out.

[@dcspidey1218]

Vilgax attacks should of been season 3 which should of also been a movie, but make vilgax as difficult as he was in the beginning

[@ghostly0005]

I get why you don’t like this season, hell almost every hardcore fan hates it. But…the sequel series Ben 10 Omniverse went out of its way to trash on this season especially with the Kevin’s father plot line. Fair enough that you quit the franchise after this but still give Omniverse a try, it will be worth your time

[@turboyabo864]

the for ever knights do come back. vilgax he sort of goes on his own arc well on off screen defeated all these heroes to prove to him self that he can defeat ben ten , it makes bit more honorable but then after words he quickly reset back to old vilgax

[@AscendtionArc]

Thanks for this. Honestly, while I liked quite a few things across the whole franchise (and for some reason watched Oniverse, after dropping ultimate), characters become unlikable and incompetent, without consequence, was a definitely nail in the show. If you want to palate cleanse 'Roswell: Aliens, Myths & Legends' has a lot to recommend, though a bit dated. Generator-Rex was a good show that even crossed over with Ben, but I'll admit that a cool premise was bogged down by some flaws and episodes that didn't accomplish much.

[@jinxtheunluckypony]

I’m honestly surprised you made it this far.

[@HxH2011DRA]

I warned ya bro, I warned ya dude Worst character regression in history (a pet peeve of mine)

[@TheCreepypro]

a fitting conclusion to the saga

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

It's sad to see you stop here, because I feel like Omniverse is where it gets off. But I get it. I wouldn't want to watch a show that takes 10-11 seasons to get good. I at least would want you to watch the first season of Omniverse, but I feel like I'm asking too much. Thank you for your months of service, and rest well. If you wanna really watch something good, watch Generator Rex.

[@mophead3903]

Tbh. I think that Omniverse is the best one. You’d probably like it since everything has an actual weight to them and things actually matter. Characters are also great. They’re all taken a bit less seriously but it fits into your enjoyment of the weird episodes of season 2 with the big chill mother episode, but it also has the seriousness of the episode of the DNA desert episode

[@silentghost751]

OG is superior. The animation was weird along with retcons. Wasn't really serious, which is inconsistent with the older shows

[@paulgilbert5278]

Yeah Original Ben 10 is the best

[@mayotango1317]

No, Omniverse is a filler parody.

[@light9205]

I wonder how will you would have reacted to Kevin's arc in ben 10 ultimate alien but oh well

[@Palkia614]

Maybe I'm a little petty, but I'm so happy that there's someone out there who doesn't follow the Ink Tank Philosophy that UAF was the best the show has to offer. I want to turn this video into a fluid and then inject it straight into my veins. I've shared every single view you've dispensed in this video and it makes me so happy.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Well, I can say you took it well. Well for who is a different question.

[@TheUberBadnik]

This is honestly depressing, to find out that a show I loved so much as a kid sucked so hard. It's been forever since I last saw it, but after keeping up with this video series I don't think I'll have to:(

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

just watch the ink tank dude. it's a flawed show but enjoyable.

[@kickflip2000]

It's really not that bad. at all. it's a fun and enjoyable show, even with it's flaws. no one should start watching a kids show expecting to be taught life lessons

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

@@kickflip2000 honestly facts

[@theirishpotato6588]

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 agreed

[@kichz.7694]

Epic gamer moment

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

i love some of the episodes this seasons idc how much hate i get

[@WusigiDr1]

I enjoyed the OG series and barely saw any of Alien force. I like the idea of the Omnitrix and i especially love the stuff that it does later? (I think its in ultimate alien where ****SPOILER***** they get their war forms and that was always amazing to me) it was always a neat idea but seeing you review has really shown me just how the show really is. Pretty sad, i do have fond memories, the spoiler mention, ghostfreaks episode, the movie, so on. I think i saw the live action one too which was.......odd to say the least. Anyways sad about ultimate alien but thats totally fine. Maybe i'll give it a go for myself and see how that is!

[@infinitegamerplus]

Didn’t get a chance to watch, just waiting for the Omniverse videos!! So excited

[@randomturd1415]

He isn't covering ben 10 anymore

[@theirishpotato6588]

@@randomturd1415 sadly. Lowart L

[@Ratchetfan321]

This is why I've been very meh on this ben 10 nostalgia wave people have been on trying to get reactors to watch or making whole channels based around a show made for pre teens at best. The OG show imo is best and as soon as you were having issues with it I thought MAYBE the older and sorta darker sequal series would help you in some way but I didn't have high hopes. Tbh ultimate alien has its own problems and is a similar level to AF the diffrent series after that gets worse every time imo. I aged out of it all sometime around ultimate alien and trying the l later stuff later it wasn't much better looking back.

[@Rannos22]

Idk I rewatched the Justice League cartoons I watched as a preteen and they were still pretty good so I don't think it's the demographic dragging this show down as much as the low quality

[@Ratchetfan321]

@@Rannos22 I'd say that show and the DCAU is way better than Ben10 would ever be dealing with actual dark topics and characterization too

[@divyanshmalik5135]

Idk wven on a recent rewatch of ben 10 i found it pretty fun and enjoyable. The world and the aliens that come from it are really interesting and fun to discover. I just think coming into ben 10 to try to find a deep and provocative plot just isnt a good mindset since its very old school comic book esque with its rules and episodic. You’re not gonna get much out of the characters but its the world that makes ben 10 interesitng and fun

[@piranhalettuce]

Well then again that's just you getting older and realizing that most things that you enjoyed when you were younger aren't as good as you remember them being. I also think coming back to Ben 10 and thinking it's going to have the greatest plot ever made is a terrible mindset to have. Ben 10 isn't some deep and dark anime with perfect characters or anything, it's just a cool superhero show that Little Timmy would watch in the morning and Cartoon Network's money maker in the mid 2000's to early 2010's.

[@piranhalettuce]

Also who cares if there's channels out there that base they're whole channel around Ben 10? There's so many channels that base their channel on something made for kids or teens like Pokemon for example, so I don't get why Ben 10 KZbinrs are the breaking point.

[@lefterismplanas4977]

I hope I like this episode

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

They did a Ben 10 dirty And knowing that I’m a hard-core Ben 10 fan, Ben 10 Alien force s3 deserve better

[@alialkuwari8155]

At the time, it wasn't just ben 10 that started falling off to me, most of cartoon network shows just started to change drastically in style, there were still great shows like adventure time and gumball and the regular show but most stuff got boring

[@HxH2011DRA]

Yeah, the golden days were gone

[@salvsays]

I like the premise of ben 10 lol

[@nojorooney]

It seems like the third season of every Ben 10 show is just cursed to be bad I guess

[@mayotango1317]

And the whole Omniverse.

[@wuba5456]

he going into a character arc over ben 10 is he?

[@fictionalmediabully9830]

I was never a Ben 10 viewer as a kid. I did catch one episode and never thought about it again. Most of my friends around me loved it though, and I can understand why based on its cool premise. Yeah, it doesn't sound like a programme that holds up. Some of the character reverting in the original series probably would be due to children being addicted to repetition, so I can understand making multiple episodes teaching redundant lessons. At this point, however, the character reverting feels like the result of executive meddling. I have a hard time believing the staff behind the programme wanted to do all of this, perhaps a higher-up decided this or that should go this way in an effort to boost ratings and profit. Any chances you might take a quick look at the 2016 reboot? I've heard mixed things about it but it does look like something I'd find preferable.

[@ProjectCarthage2004]

thank god someone is talking about af not being perfect, i was very hyped to watch af after rewatching og (never got to see af as a kid) and i was hugely dissapointed.

[@lefterismplanas4977]

Please contribute watching Ben Ten! I really loved these episodes !! They where amazing!

[@MercenaryX84]

Don't worry, the retcons are only going to get even more confusing

[@-penta-1357]

Ok so, I know you said you're dropping Ben 10 and all that, but if you ever feel nostalgic for it for whatever reason, give Omniverse a shot. You need little to no knowledge about Ultimate Alien to watch it, and it has everything you seem to have liked about Alien Force's earlier seasons, in that it mainly tries to be funny, and has some genuinelly hilarious plotlines, as well as making the worldbuilding more consistent and coherent.

[@silentghost751]

It made it more confusing with retcons

[@nirast2561]

HA! Con of Rath, Wrath of Khan. I see what they did there.

[@sammyhorace7523]

I can understand that repeat lessons in ben 10 is issue from the Secret of the Omnitrix to end of season 3 alien force is totally different it not like it totally remembers the lessons

[@lalitsharma3137]

I think a little imagination and some retrospect could fix the show when it's ultimately adapted in live action.

[@Grag235]

Don’t forget, the red cons get worse for Kevin in Omniverse, because it’s even MORE confusing

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

it's better in omniverse.

[@yashjoshijee2294]

And it's still better than primus retcon and plumbers retcon of uaf

[@blueguygaming1330]

@@yashjoshijee2294 oh please get off of OV's dick, it's infinitely worse than both. Making a new planet for dna samples isn't nearly as bad as wiping a character's dad out of existence and changing the origins of like 5 different characters

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

@@yashjoshijee2294 facta

[@Grag235]

@@blueguygaming1330 True, it just never made any sense cause it ruins the message of Kevin running away from home

[@D.Zerius]

How about you review the Viewtiful Joe anime/game series? It seems like it'd be right up your alley.

[@Peakfiction8613]

Lowart You should watch Vinland saga season 1, Monster and Berserk 1997 they are pretty great anime. I am sure you will enjoy it. As for tv show, you can watch sopranos and wire

[@Shaxii__]

You could say Ben was the original Mary Sue.

[@user-sy1te8ev9t]

wheres ultimate alien?

[@obliteratordeathcon4456]

how was gwen's character origin changed?

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

They retconned her int being an anodite.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

They even tried getting rid of magic.

[@h.4343]

icl just skip to omniverse

[@sr.brigadeiro7718]

Oh

[@mikef.gonzalez655]

That’s to bad cuz ultimate alien is decent Eve Kevin turns evil

[@erikbihari3625]

Seriously you're unpredictable!

[@chrisamponsah1187]

Next "Generator Rex"

[@ANTIMONcom]

Understandable. I also dropped the show a bit before this point 🤷‍♂️

[@Master-Works]

Kevin became a jerk and a murderer that endangered countless people

[@sonny661yt8]

Yeah, you don’t want to progress any further, AF S3 started the downfall of the franchise in terms of quality, so if you don’t want to lose your sanity don’t progress any further.

[@Sonofsun.]

omg 2:20 this is a doozy