I Was Wrong About Forever Winter

[@rara3538]

>sees backpack >"ITS LIKE DEATH STRADING" >sees mech >"I DON'T WANNA FIGHT IN A MECH" what????

[@geekseh]

I thought I heard that on Twitter but either way....yes I'm a dumb dumb someti4ms.

[@reztrentnor4380]

Fr how fucking reductive and ignorant. I truly hope this line of thinking is in the minority.

[@scoot420]

@@geekseh god damn do you not feel ashamed just talking out of your ass about stuff..? I get it make money from KZbin and run a channel but fuck have some pride in what you do.

[@MegaXron211]

Maybe the most disagreeable gamer opinions I've ever heard

[@auto7385]

like use your noggin man

[@Chickensea10]

Gotta remember, they wanted to wait a little longer before pushing out early access but since the community was so stocked for it, they decided F IT! So make sure to give actual positive feedback about anything and hope the best!

[@wolfpaw-yz9fk]

There is no reason not to give them criticism for shit though. Being a yesman and not bothering to tell them "This is not acceptable" will not improve the game. But I do agree, they'er gonna NEED the help

[@-The-Golden-God-]

What?? So you're saying that it's coming out too early, so be nice?

[@geekseh]

I believe in cristism 1000% always. Liek for this video I'm looking for it for the new irl footage stuff I did. Giving critism and being a douche bag are very different. You can criticize things and not being a complete raging douche...and tbh those get heard more. Hearing someone being an adshole and critiquing stuff always makes me not take them serious.

[@Chickensea10]

@@geekseh true true! Hope this game gets the development it truly needs!

[@Chickensea10]

@@-The-Golden-God- yes and no, if everyones just slamming the devs instead of actual criticism and thoughts about WHY something truly needs to be fixed, then it'll take A LOT longer While on the other as you say, it's important not to be just a yes man!

[@OC34N_M4N]

i saw bigfrys video and beside the obvious performance issues, the rest of his takes seem very uninformed. He was complaining about easily getting beaten in fights but seems to forget that the whole; "You're not the op hero" idea was forgotten about him. A different yt like angry joe had no issues doing well in the game. While I don't like throwing the skill issue comment it seems like that was the reality for bigfry. I'd recommend withholding your opinions until you get your hands on the game and play it for yourself. I trust you doing an in-depth game overview more than bigfry (no offense to him haha). Anyways thanks for the content brother, It's been awesome watching your growth!

[@7aro7Dragoon]

he even gave it another go and still just kinda ran around without sneaking or watching out for enemies and then rages out when he gets caught looting.

[@siubijeni206]

@@7aro7Dragoon i don't think it's fair to say bigcry gave it another go, he was clearly just looking for more to whine about. he ends that video bitching about how enemies just spawned on him and killed him, but you can see in the preceding 10-20 seconds that they were there the entire time. he's supremely unobservant and clearly doesn't like the premise of Forever Winter, so I don't know why he's even trying to say he wants the game to succeed and hated having to make that video. He doesn't want to play Forever Winter, he wants it changed to fit his power fantasy and trashed on the game because of it.

[@Sunglassed_badass]

Agreed with the performance issues with he acted like it was some 3 day early release when the devs clearly said it's early acess And there working on it like for real they only have 20 devs

[@TurabAliR]

Good lord the FW defence force is on the loose. Too much hyperfocus on Bigfry's playstyle, absolutely zero focus on the serious issues he points out(very smart obfuscation by the defence bros). The player controller, is terrible, animations are terrible. The Gunplay is terrible. All the gameplay videos and streams till now show that a sum total of 0 man hours have been spent on the mechanics of the game - it appears mechanically the game is a patchwork of store bought assets to have a basic framework in place. The devs have spent a considerable time on art and atmosphere and both of those are terrific. However, this does not imrpove the absolute woeful state the basic gamepaly is in. This is a very very rough push into early access. The devs are making the same mistake the Greyzone & Incursion red river teams made only earlier this year. FW needs atleast another year of work before going into EA.

[@OC34N_M4N]

@@TurabAliR could you point out the different instances in which you are talking about? If you payed attention the comment was solely on Bigfrys main opinions that seemed unwarranted at least to me. If what you are saying is true then that doesn’t go against what I had said in my original comment. If you are using bigfrys video as a basis for your claims I think that it’s important to realize bigfry may have a negative bias against the game due to his playtesting. Im interested in what you have to say and the contentious attitude you have seems a bit immature. I was not defending the game; merely pointing out flaws a relatively popular KZbinr was making seemingly due to their incompetence in this particular game.

[@The1stDukeDroklar]

I *HATE* resources being depleted even when you're offline. That's why I stopped playing State of Decay.

[@RichyN25]

I've played a lot of State of Decay 2, I don't remember any resources being depleted when offline

[@The1stDukeDroklar]

@@RichyN25 Community food would be consumed while you were offline. Miss a couple days of play and you would come back to your community starving.

[@RichyN25]

@@The1stDukeDroklar ohhh maybe I never had that since all my communities either made enough food or had outposts so they never needed the food and were self-sufficient

[@The1stDukeDroklar]

@@RichyN25 Don't remember. Been a long time. I just remember that ruined the game for me.

[@troua2001]

Iirc u get food actively by getting those sacks/bags Or passively by outposts/facilities

[@Nick-wx1hk]

When I heard about the water system and that you can loose everything you earned if you don't get more water was a turnoff for me, but it being a month for it to deplete actually doesn't sound that bad and I might give it a try

[@noboot6558]

They actually changed it to 80 days till its depleted so you'll have loads of leg room

[@AceOfScavs]

Im really looking forward to Forever Winter. As a scav main in games like Tarkov and Stalker etc, the way this game is structured really appeals to me.

[@skeetlejuice522]

its horrible

[@AceOfScavs]

@@skeetlejuice522 Actually Im enjoying it, quite a bit. Buy I enjoy Tarkov so its probably no endorsement.

[@namesurname624]

I really hope that a stalker like experience in this universe will come. I'm not immersed, the gameplay loop is too obvious everything is too barren.

[@laser_turret]

Sorry to say itis genuinely not a good game. Even if the glaring issues get "fixed", the gameplay loop just feels dated and nothing special..

[@AceOfScavs]

@@laser_turret My main complaint right now would be pretty close to what you are saying. Im not sure how long it will hold me for with nothing like a "hideout" in Tarkov for example. If all it turns out to be is loot and return with no over arching goal, its not enough.

[@Blood.exe01]

So the enemy factions DO have humans in their ranks just fyi. There also are cyborgs, the primary enemies that are dropped from the bombers are a primary example as they actually are humans unwillingly converted.

[@ryanking6367]

dude great job on this video, i love the mix of IRL shots had me rolling at times, especially the B reel at the end LOL

[@geekseh]

Thanks man! Mixed reviews atm but I'm glad you liked it.

[@chaoticmind176]

Lots of people comment about big fry vid but imo the play session angry joe did shows much better what the game is about. Angry joe also tried a bit more to play it more intelligently and when he progressed he even could take on small groups of enemies. This game will be not for everybody bc lots of players like to be a chad and dominate what will be very hard to accomplish in this game. I think we will see lots of vids hating this game but also lots of them loving the game. Ofc it has issues but for example Joe said it was much better then the other iterations he played and he had fun, he also said that in his opinion the devs listen to the players. Also the price tag is good enough for just give it a try imo and support the development.

[@siubijeni206]

Angry Joe has a good take, but if you haven't seen it yet Critical Rocket has what is probably my favorite video so far. You can clearly see the learning curve from their first run (getting decimated very early) to their first successful extraction.

[@chaoticmind176]

@@siubijeni206 yes saw that 1 also and that 1 is more for the solo perspective while joe's is more how to play in a group> At least both you can see that how different styles can help getting results and also both don t just give up or are bashing their heads trying to force a situation.

[@George_Avgeris]

I WAS WRONG TOO!! I assumed in the beginning that "Forever Winter" was partner with AMD and NVIDIA as the recommended GPU should be on 12-16 GB VRAM range!! Now... I m SURE they are

[@FUBARGunpla]

so like everyone else?

[@dreamsremain.2i2]

minimum is 8

[@weaponsgradeham5962]

If your specs are too high you can’t play the game and get black screened for like 3 seconds before crashing. Still waiting for a patch to fix it :(

[@trevtrev1523]

Developer "We learn from the mistakes of other dev's" puts a water mechanic that forces you to keep playing. That aged like milk.

[@geekseh]

.....haha

[@ikcikor3670]

I believe Asmon said "it'd be cool if you could ride a mech later on" and overall a few other people who only looked at the visuals of the game thought about, then it went through 10 other people and suddenly people have the wrong impression about the game. The trailer they released was showing how more and more combat breaks out and then the characters you play as go looking for a calmer area to loot, but it went over a lot of people's heads because they were too busy talking about visuals and climate to pay attention to what can be considered a detail if you didn't know the main intention, I remember clearly asmon basically talking over that part of the trailer sadly and not realizing it himself. Unless the devs put way more effort into making it clear at a glance that in this game you are meant to NOT be the main protagonist, but just a person struggling to survive in a hostile world, most of big streamers will pick up this game one time expecting a generic shooter with unusual artstyle, die 5 times in a row, get mad at the game for being unplayable, treat the currently janky animations as further confirmation that the game is bad and then quit it for good.

[@FEDsShotMOM]

Too much iirc cuts. Felt odd and lighting contrast was really high for this particular game

[@Riku_9]

you can kill other players (Friendly fire) but you cant loot other players so even if they pick up something you want tough luck

[@stephen0406]

I would suggest looking up the offline water death problem before purchasing this game, being punished for not playing the game is kinda anti-player imo. Holding purchase until they fix this. Not gonna be punished for having real world duties.

[@ruffleraveninc3602]

If you want to understand what it's like to play Forever Winter just watch the full cinematic trailer. 23 hours in and it plays just like that (except even less shooting, if things are going right).

[@kiranear7446]

Glad to see you cover this game! Can't wait to play next week.

[@douglasdiggins8296]

Disregarding opinion due to Death Stranding take. Edit: why do people put so much effort into videos for things they don't fully research? It's not two robot factions, they are still both human factions utilising machines (technically 3 if you include the Russian inspired faction).

[@CrimsonSw1ft]

I bet this'll be a flop. Not to the same levels as Concord or The Day Before, but not far off. I imagine there will be disappointment.

[@LamarjorieQueen]

If/when I get my hands on this, I’m pretty sure I might *intentionally* not do it right, because sometimes, as long as you don’t take it seriously, it can be pretty fun to screw around in games, and maybe learn a thing or two! Also, love this game!

[@Sorain1]

As long as your having fun and not trolling other people? Cool.

[@dougallen5734]

Seeing Geeks outside of his streamer dungeon doesn’t feel right…it humanizes him

[@chloekaftan]

remember that this is war is not yours to fight, you're simply one of many caught in the cross fire of a globe spanning world war against man and machine, your job isnt to win, but to *survive.*

[@geekseh]

It's a great great idea and concept. The gameplay still had to be fun and rewarding....or else it should have been a book. I'm really excited to play this. I'm not expecting miracles but a rough outline of a good game.

[@stephen0406]

That is only fun in the beginning of the game, how is that fun if all you do is getting beat down even in end game?

[@theofficialbruhfish8094]

@@stephen0406oh trust me, you become a killing machine in end game

[@jonr4291]

you can also directly transfer water into your buddy's Innards if you're logged into their session ... that sounds kinda gross when I read it back

[@workingZen]

Your different irl locations made me giggle. The info you provided was great as I hadnt heard others covering the game, mention them.

[@jakepenguin_]

Love the editing geeks ❤ love seeing ya work on these

[@bombs86]

There's actually 3 factions europa,eurasia,euruska

[@FUBARGunpla]

if you don't wanna play with randos theres ai and offline play

[@Mumu1672]

Is that how much TP you use for each wipe?

[@geekseh]

Enough.....you?

[@Nsynced]

Many people don't know that this was originally supposed to be on gala games (web3)

[@Garflog643]

BigfryTV just put out a vid on this after him and some friends played it and he absolutely trashed it based off how it played which is unfortunate. I really hope they can turn this game around because it looks so good concept wise.

[@geekseh]

Dude I watch3d it and my heart sunk. I am so ready for a new game......what I watched is just inexcusable

[@swisscheese-394]

It might be internet ARGs rotting my mind but the numbers you've put in your replies so far read out: 403, or 43. 0 because of the '1000%' This is probably useless or you just fat-fingering but that's what I see.

[@SnowCream151]

wow bigfry with another stupid take in gaming thats so shocking!

[@toobsteak]

​@@SnowCream151He's too soft.

[@chaoticmind176]

@@geekseh angry joe also played it and he didnt had those issues but he played it in a other way . Imo bigfry is approaching the game in not a great way and the game is just not for him.

[@mikewest2072]

I love that we're playing Where in the World is Geeks! Good vid buds.

[@edis.s]

I have more than 50h in this game the first few hours I hated it , I didn't know how and what to do but now I love it with some bugs here and there is the best game I played lately.The water system is not bad you get a lot of water by doing the quests now I have 160 days of water.They will change it in the future but for now is not bad , you can get 2-3 days of water in 10min of gameplay. For all of you who are sceptical about this game give it a try its cheap on CD keys.

[@thaddeussharp1]

3:08 "poop-socking the game"😂😂😂

[@geekseh]

I use that term alll the effing time it's perfect

[@feddora5776]

The video was weird, I feel like, being all over the place is a little distracting

[@geekseh]

Thanks man so much. These are the comments I need constructive and honest. I appreciate that

[@ThereIsNoMeMusic]

They raised the water cap to 70 days, I think.

[@GBnet2]

80 days

[@jtms1200]

Just think of the rig here as a sci-fi version of the massive 6Sh118 raid backpack from tarkov - you're just a permanent thicc boi!

[@VrikktheUndying]

Yes. The IRL Content is fun. Keep doing it.

[@nillywevs]

THEN ANOTHER PERSON REPEATS IT

[@DaGoodmanYT]

Then another person repeats it

[@wildgunman64]

THEN ANOTHER PERSON REPEATS IT

[@blacknapalm2131]

*BASED DEV and BASED GAME* It is the 'anti AAA $139 special edition game' and I am here for it

[@laser_turret]

Go try to play it for more than 30 minutes. It's painful

[@blacknapalm2131]

@@laser_turret 15 hours so far i Love it and I am NOT into 'extraction shooters' normally. Its rad AF

[@BouXIII]

@@laser_turret lol i am at 40 hours. Its a Blast and actually starting to get too easy.

[@laser_turret]

@BouXIII I must be missing the mark because the game is pure jank. Besides the glaring optimization issues: movement is on rails, the hitreg is questionable, the gunplay isn't stimulating enough, the inventory system is unintuitive and hideous, stealthing around AI isn't exactly a fun gameplay loop... Yeah i get that the art is cool and all but this all just feels like an overambitious hot mess right now. If you're having fun great but let's not glamorize slop. We'll see if this flavor of the month will deliver improvements, for now I'm not wasting my money on half baked promises

[@BouXIII]

@@laser_turret first: yes every mechanic is barebanes and slightly buggy sometimes. But some things work as intended. Movement is as slow as in some other 3rd person shooters. Feels like gears of war. Hitreg works fine, your character needs to lvlup the weapon and skills to get more accurate. At the beginning you shoot very inaccurate, many people mistake this with bugs in the game. (But yes, there are instances where you can't shoot between debris and small gaps where you should be able to shoot through) Gunplay is fine but not great. But there are a lot of different weapons and mods to play with. The game is fun for everyone who likes MGSV and games with a great atmosphere. It's definitely not for the average extraction shooter player. If you don't like stealth action games, you absolutely will not enjoy this game

[@maeburekaiser]

I'm not worrier about the Rig. The issue with Death Stranding is that it had a balance mechanic. This game doesn't do that.

[@thelordoftime803]

Death stranding needed a balance mechanic to make the game fun to play, since there is little combat.

[@joseph1981]

I discovered your channel with this video and didn't even know you were going for a completely different commentary/editing style The cuts to irl can be a little jarring, but i think thats just an issue of pacing and flow. It works sometimes, but other times it gives you a bit of whiplash. I don't have a problem with it, but there's definitely room for improvement. Not bad for a first shot at it.

[@abukareem6511]

Terry fox shirt? Are you a fellow ottawan?

[@DZ60]

What is the point of the game? What is your ultimate goal? Does anyone know??

[@ChibaBanana]

You need to do more research. You even got the amount of factions wrong.

[@geekseh]

I dont think thats really really important TBH.

[@nepocrates]

There is a real poop focus on this channel. oh well that poop is not for me. thanks for the video.

[@geekseh]

Please expand. I don't quite understand what you mean?

[@snugglecactus3066]

My brother, what on earth did you do on that toilet that would require that much toilet paper? Lol good video, man

[@CrashGame]

6:19 whoa 🤣🤣

[@eliottsmallwood2140]

love the irl bits

[@geekseh]

Thansk man that's way too kind!

[@jimstephens21]

Love the Terry Fox shirt!!

[@danacherry9663]

Can't wait for this game

[@punk_noodles]

dude is outside.... clearly doesn't play games

[@isThreeman]

Been hearing a lot about offline resource depletion and it really is not gonna make for a fun experience. You're effectively turning a game into a job with that and a job is rarely fun.

[@GamesforCykits]

L not liking mech fighting games or just mech games, anyways it’s a survival game scavenger game, so far it’s a mixed bag, some enjoying it and others already saying it ain’t looking good cause of the many bugs and gun play is bad but this is just from the people who got to play the beta and apparently the game is super hard, a.i glitch and bug out on the terrain and so does the player, big fries gameplay has me a bit worried, he so far isn’t saying good stuff about the game and the gameplay he shows well shows off a lot of bad stuff but at the end of the day I’m gonna test the game see if I like it, and I hope they do add food and water mechanics and I hope we do get to a level to where we could pilot a mech or at least call in a mech to cover us while we move about the world.

[@KtfoMustang]

Yes 100% keep the IRL in with the gaming

[@pvtslinkee6316]

Awesome geeks keep it up !

[@geekseh]

I appreciate you pvt

[@Erreul]

Oh, so if you can backstab other players and the world is persistent, that probably means your going to be able to fight with other scavs when you come across them. Well, that'd be a bummer, but I'm certainly going to hold judgment until I see what's actually in the game.

[@Ghorda9]

not happening, it's just your group that's on the map as it's peer to peer. people also can't loot each other.

[@Erreul]

@@Ghorda9 Thanks.

[@Electric-Boogalo]

Cloak.

[@5hane9ro]

I'm buying this before I have a computer that can run it. I want to support ideas like this. Until then, however, I have Helldivers & W40k games!

[@Megaboss_Bor]

I like your sound design, the pacing, and the visuals, but your writing or tension build up is nowhere, this feels like the middle part of a 30 mins essay. My personal instinct is to be more sure what you want to say, or if you don't know, focus more on why you are unsure the whole script or argument or build up is not there.

[@geekseh]

Thanks so much for watching the video and being honest. I agree my Script writing skills are not there. Im trying to get better for sure but it is tough. Thanks for being honest and constructive and not just being a straight douche.

[@Sorain1]

@@geekseh So, to second Megaboss_Bor's points, On seeing the title I checked for the first video I assumed existed, to watch that first. Which doesn't exist. So yeah, feels like an act 2 of a three act setup. Act 1 being your initial misimpressions prompting an opinion that you regret. Act 2 being this video, and Act 3 presumably being a video after seeing the state of the Early Access release state for a conclusion. But it says a lot that I'm interested in seeing that act 3.

[@Gills420]

lmao this video is a good Trump campaign why? because everyone voting for harris just listens to other people and follows blindly. lmao im glad you used your brain instead of listening to the false info on twitter..... hahahah wow. apples turn to bananas

[@geekseh]

What? Lol I really didn't understand this one but thanks for watching.

[@y0da10k5]

I have watched the full video and your point is? only your toughts ok fair but why? im honest this is a rant/sarcasm/honesty/hope video for me, and my toughts on the video are just this coment.

[@Eisenhorne77]

If I can be killed by my own teammate at the end of a session, then it is a no purchase for me. Have too many other things to enjoy than wasting an hour and get gimped at the end. Very bad design decision.

[@doctortomato9520]

Just get better friends then

[@Ghorda9]

people can't loot you.

[@doctortomato9520]

@@Ghorda9 its co-op why would they allow looting and incentivize team killing?

[@Ghorda9]

@@doctortomato9520 co-op isn't pvp nor should it be

[@Sorain1]

There's only so much you can do about people being jerks. Not letting people loot each other is about that much. (Other than maybe a friendly fire toggle for P2P hosting, but that massively eats into the caution intended by the game's design so I can understand why they shy away from that.) Without the ability to take people's loot, personal profit ceases to be a motive for jerk moves, and you only have the most diehard trolls sticking with it.

[@Tclans]

6:32 wtf was that?? 😅

[@Erreul]

2:44 I hope they remove that before I look into this down the road seriously, because that's arbitrarily annoying. Your telling me you got this sweet coop shooter based in a cool Giger anime war and you add a system that makes you HAVE to play the game or lose progress, that makes no sense, and to me is completely pointless as well as a mark on a so far excellent looking game.

[@Ghorda9]

it doesn't affect your character progress/reputation, it only affects the progress of the commune (traders and stash)

[@w1ldcard1986]

The game plays dogshit …. DOA

[@geekseh]

I saw the big fry video today also.....so gut wrenching...we just want a new good game wtf eh!

[@PerryKobalt]

BigFry mindset literally COD player ​@@geekseh When the game you're supposed to scavenge the aftermath of the unknown battle

[@newlandpencilnut4754]

​@@geeksehcritical rockets video gave me such a different vibe that I think bigfry was just playing wrong

[@siubijeni206]

@@newlandpencilnut4754 bigcry and his squad of morons were definitely playing wrong, and then he doubled down on it where he posted another video _claiming_ to play it the way his comments told him to... but he still ran around recklessly and ended up dying when he didn't thoroughly check a bunker he ran into. In the 10-20 seconds preceding his death, you can see the enemies inside the bunker silhouetted against windows and doors several times, but he doesn't notice them. They apparently don't notice him creeping around either, though, until he makes some noise opening a locker to loot. So then he ends the video bitching about enemies spawning on him despite the video evidence otherwise. He's completely unapologetic about his ragefest and his opinion is pretty much worthless.