I Was Wrong About Plug-In Hybrids…

[@dagma3437]

No sunroof is a bummer!

[@kingsworld2220]

I see many complaints about the interior not looking luxurious enough and that is due to the color combination of the material. The Mazda CX90 which is often used as a comparison also does not look luxurious in black. Lexus needs to offer better color contrast and that will make a huge difference.

[@danguelph2676]

No panoramic sunroof, not even a single small sunroof - no go for many. Today I don't know any luxury vehicle without a panoramic roof. Big fail for Lexus. That's why people are saying it doesn't feel luxurious.

[@admranger]

-5 for the CU sweatshirt. My Lexus dealer is asking $6k over sticker minimum for every Lexus. I can only imagine the premium they’ll ask for on this. Doesn’t matter to me as I won’t pay over sticker and will look elsewhere.

[@David_Journey]

Lexus/Toyota dealers redefine luxury. It’s no longer about comfortable drive, rather paying over MSRP in bogus charges. Will it come to a time when it become a prestige to brag about how much over sticker you paid for a mass-manufactured product with diminishing value? 😅

[@ALMX5DP]

I’m sure there are dealers who aren’t as greedy. In this age of online shopping should be relatively easy to find a dealer willing to work with you.

[@paulira7407]

All eight Toyota dealerships around my area are asking 5K-10K over MSRP for almost every new vehicle that they receive. All three Lexus dealerships around my area are asking just MSRP for every new vehicle that they receive. Researching this topic nationwide, most Lexus dealerships are asking MSRP for their new vehicles, while most Toyota dealerships are asking 3K-15K over MSRP for every new vehicle that they receive.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

@@David_Journey your clueless

[@allentoyokawa9068]

Worth every penny and then some

[@DDiesel]

Love that it's a v6. I have a rx 350h and the 4 cylinder sounds pathetic. Wish I would have waited for 450h

[@jsfbay1]

So which trim felt quicker - this PHEV, or the "Hybrid Max" version of the TX? And I didn't think that this one had rear-steer...

[@joecrash1232]

Yeah, the 550h+ doesn’t have rear wheel steering

[@SFzip]

The fact that he thought it had rear steering suggests that the turning radius is actually pretty good, even without rear steering.

[@jsfbay1]

@@SFzipGood point.

[@yaswanthmuthakapalle590]

No panoramic sunroof with the top trim is a big no no. Just because of that I might compromise go with F sport Luxury

[@theaterlightman89]

It has a similar architecture as the pacifica plugin hybrid, in the way that they are botth v6 plugin hybrids

[@davva360]

To me PHEV make a lot of sense in terms of use. Yes there is an argument you are carrying two power trains around but in many cases you can drive them to work all week without using any gas, as long as you charge it up overnight, and then you still have a vehicle that can do road trips and get better mpg when you need it. I would argue many EVs are so lacking you still need two powertrains, two entire cars so you can still do road trips without the compromises.

[@4_2_0]

I'm pretty sure it shares the same architecture with the new Century SUV, probably why they kept the V6, proven tech.

[@andersonrodriguez8258]

The 2G 3.5 fks?

[@storey13]

I expect this to be $80k plus? I'd love to get one. I'll buy one used in 5 years.

[@njt7117]

Great review. Is this vehicle capable of a bench seat in future years?

[@TobyCostaRica]

I hope this is the PHEV powertrain in the hybrid version of the GX

[@ALMX5DP]

This is a transverse PHEV. GX is longitudinal and will likely get something out of or based on current vehicles like Tundra/Sequoia or LX.

[@TobyCostaRica]

@@ALMX5DP I understand that part, but the I wonder if this engine layout is what is required to make space for the batteries and send power to a Pure EV class motor in the rear because the mpg on iforceMax Tundra isn’t spectacular. Sure the Tacoma hybrid has good mpg, but where would the 15-20kw of PHEV batteries go in a body on frame vehicle?

[@ALMX5DP]

@@TobyCostaRica well the rumors I heard are that the hybrid GX will not be a PHEV and will simply use the normal hybrid setup currently being used or the same as what debuted on the Land Cruiser.

[@TobyCostaRica]

@@ALMX5DP yeah that’s what I heard as well. I love hybrid tech, and the mpg benefit is my justification to make buying a full time 4x4 a “responsible” one 😀 Plus the benefits of a 2400 watt OEM power source

[@ALMX5DP]

@@TobyCostaRica totally feel ya there and same about the 2.4kw power. To me that is a huge feature and benefit.

[@JeftaFastForward]

Not at least having a 7 seat option makes this an instant no go for how large this vehicle is and the complexity of multiple powertrains

[@theaterlightman89]

Is it front wheel drive ice and rwd epectric? I feel like that would be the cheapest way to have it and make it awd

[@TobyCostaRica]

Yes and save the space of a driveshaft

[@monkeyrun]

my biggest issue is, it's a 3 row SUV with only 6 seats. If I am getting a 3 row SUV I want at least 7 seats.

[@peteroh123]

Would you say that this is the platform Toyota will use to bring out a sienna PHEV?

[@jonkrispeterson6678]

I wish there would have been an option for the GH to be PHEV. But, if it’s anything like RAV4 or Prius, the will be scarce, and a premium price.

[@gamelauncher9821]

To start I think both the GH and the TX are nice and the space and utility they both give buyers are next to none in this segment. However, the Grand Highlander is the better option both in cost, space, usability, and looks. Most new Toyotas have been improved tremendously in every way looking at the Grand Highlander, then looking at the TX I don’t see what makes the new Lexus better certainly not because of the looks or even the materials inside they don’t say premium in my eyes. The MDX or the CX90 which many individuals out there seem to bash down. Mazda has earned the right to be considered premium I’m not sure about Lexus. Many of the new Lexus models aren’t trying hard to be distinctive they are all meh don’t get me wrong the design on the outside looks fine what is disappointing about the interiors and lack of six cylinders in a premium product? if Mazda could create the CX90 I don’t see why Lexus a company that has more money couldn’t produce something that phenomenal. I can appreciate that manufacturers take time and make great products, but I don’t appreciate the effort that Lexus is putting in really disappointing.

[@cbotten106]

You can't get this V6 plugin drivetrain in a GH so you're comparing to something that is unobtainable. Also as a plugin it could qualify for that rebate. This thing is larger and more comparable interior size wise to the body on frame domestic behemoths than something like a CX-90. All three rows don't have truly usable backseats.

[@TobyCostaRica]

Toyota interiors have stepped up, you can barely tell on the inside if it’s a Lexus or Toyota

[@allentoyokawa9068]

Lexus looks FAR better

[@TobyCostaRica]

@@allentoyokawa9068 The Highlander, Grand Highlander and new Land Cruiser interior look very similar to Lexus variants. Now compare that to 10 years ago like a 2010 4Runner vs 2010 GX460 interior. Lexus looked like a huge step up. Now it looks like the top trim Toyota interior. Especially the GX 550….

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

​@@TobyCostaRicaagreed

[@cbotten106]

The Toyota interior looks the part but the interior sound levels, ride and handling and materials aren't even close to par vis-a-vis this Lexus.

[@ThanhNguyen-lh1kw]

Many Lexus hybrid had brake actuator problems, my RX450H had the same issue

[@menguardingtheirownwallets6791]

In Canada we have a very difficult time buying cars because there is no money left over after we pay the mortgage on our houses here. The average price for a 3 bedroom house is now 2 Million + in Canada. OUCH !!!!

[@cbotten106]

But that's in those funny Canadian dollars.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

Should be MADE IN JAPAN

[@cbotten106]

I agree and If they could sell monsters this size there it likely would.

[@rezanorouzian8198]

What kind of V6 is this engine? Possibly a variant of 2GR-FKS?

[@icare7151]

What is the torque?

[@georgepelton5645]

33 mile EV range. Not enough for my daily driving. If I were to consider a PHEV, I want 50 mile EV range and would settle for no less than 40 miles. Frankly, when I traded my PHEV for a Tesla Model 3 it was a huge upgrade, so I don't think I will ever buy another PHEV regardless of EV range or other specs.

[@usamasaid2860]

They pick the V6 because the weight makes the feel way more better instead the 4cylinder that fells like a cheap vehicle

[@TheBabadush]

Kase sporting the Nantucket Reds 🤙

[@WW-wf8tu]

Nice vehicle. Good review.

[@robervin9107]

Y’all are doing magnificent

[@matthewflakes1481]

I hope the new GX gets this powertrain.

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

*This is the Toyota Century drivetrain*

[@z07042011]

Aviator or TX? Which one is better and why?

[@cbotten106]

TX is a Toyota and Aviator is a Ford. Unless I was a Ford employee and could get sweetheart deal I wouldn't consider that a choice. I shan't go farther.

[@digital_0630]

Tommy’s head nod while throwing the + sign was too gangster..

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

I am hoping the seats are comfy for big Americans. Toyotas seats aren't always great...

[@Sorikan]

This is NOT an "SUV" it is a fancy minivan. Why do I say this? Because this supposed "SUV" can barely clear a dinky curb, let alone a large one! It's a minivan with a fancy name folks.

[@rfleming7883]

I scratch my head. Who would ever want the complexity of both gas and electric, with the electric part able to deliver only 33 miles? A little bit crazy if you ask me.

[@csiistandard]

No moon roof for 80k$??

[@josilver]

Everyone forgets Rivian has a 3 row SUV!

[@elliotbgardner]

For 100k and you can’t actually get one for probably a year

[@runany1]

It’s not a hybrid though.

[@hkwise011]

So this or the cx-90 phev for a lot less money.

[@cbotten106]

A LOT more money.

[@ЭдуардИванов-л8щ]

Очень странно что нет панорамного люка

[@allentoyokawa9068]

Will sell like hotcakes

[@doublebackagain4311]

Heavy, complex, and expensive. But could be a better solution for some folks-

[@Chops00]

The industry doesn’t make sense to me. Plug-in hybrids make the most sense for trucks. Fully electric trucks make no sense. But we’re seeing plug-ins mainly only in these soccer mom SUVs.

[@petergazarek9466]

LEXUS 👌😎👍 THE FIRST CLASS QUALITY

[@tjdusz6497]

WOOOOOOOW WHEN YOU BARELY EVEN USED IT

[@Bogusuap]

CU Boulder. No one is buying lexus in Colorado. It'a a subaru, tesla, 4 runner state

[@Vultite]

It's hideous, looks like a Mitsubishi

[@85bigGMC]

I don’t understand why you would want a plug in hybrid over a normal hybrid. Normal hybrid has lots of benefits but don’t have to worry about charging.

[@ALMX5DP]

I’m sure the target demographic doesn’t worry about charging.

[@peterfessier9780]

It's not that you have to worry about charging, it's more that you get to charge. Driving electric is fun and these cars are a blast around town. When you drive it as a hybrid you get more horsepower and the efficiency is still great. I have a Prime and I'm happy to plug it in as it's more fun to drive electric and cheaper than gas. It was a no brainer for me as I got the tax credit. The tax credit went away and people are still going on waiting lists for the Prime. I don't think it's an economical decision at this point. You get it because you think it's better for the environment or you enjoying driving it. Two years in I still look forward to driving it.

[@joecrash1232]

It depends on what type of a normal hybrid operates since that will affect the efficiency of the hybrid system. The 500h has a parallel hybrid system, but the 550h+ is the parallel-series hybrid with plug-in functionality. At least from Toyota, the parallel-series hybrid (both regular and plug-in hybrid) is the most efficient hybrid system compared to their latest parallel hybrid system.

[@DDiesel]

I have a hybrid and I feel like it should have a much larger battery and be fully charged when I get in it in the morning.

[@kimle01]

Nah at the price a full EV better option.

[@ibrahimbashir6634]

Best in class ❤

[@dongidongi]

It's a mega bummer they don't even have a bench seat in this.

[@MrRaitzi]

Yes. Also issue when you fold everything.

[@dongidongi]

Yeah, 5 passengers (common use case) you lose half the cargo capacity. Full electric on a drive from Chicago to Dallas (common for us), is 4-5 extra hours due to route constraints and charging times. 4-5 hours faster with something like this. But then the seat situation!

[@allentoyokawa9068]

This isn't the 1950s.....

[@EdgarRenje]

"Not everyone is ready for an EV" is a poor excuse for laziness and convenience.

[@mcrkon]

Don’t do it, guys. Don’t give Toyota an out.

[@icare7151]

❤IT!

[@ZacValentine]

Its a nice toyota, but it doesnt scream lexus like the past 10+ years. From the side it could be a grand wagoneer or even a Mitsubishi...

[@allentoyokawa9068]

This is better than ever, so stop

[@icare7151]

$85,995

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

Keep hybrids OFF this EV channel. THEY ARE NOT EVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@arenjay3278]

Phev suck gasoline.

[@Wierdworld-z7q]

Tomy. Stop competing with everyone. U have destroyed this show....

[@YellowBoltTC]

Not pure EV, don’t care. Toyota needs to step it up big time

[@lifeisfuneh]

👍

[@MrRaitzi]

No everyone wants these current EVs. In 5 to 6 years more realistic for larger cars maybe.

[@scottgabbard662]

Family hauler EV that can’t go 450 miles on a single fill up, don’t care. When I need it the most (trips to kids and family) it can’t deliver. This overpriced thing can. I wish a pure EV could, we’re a decade out.

[@tarfeef101]

​@@scottgabbard662I'd be interested in a PHEV with 150km of battery range. Would make life easier for me as someone who often drives over a tank in a day right now, but also has a significant proportion of trips under 150km (but not by much) as well. Around town I try to just bike as is so I don't benefit much from the short distance PHEV benefits.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

EVs are dying out, do your research

[@michaelvella8511]

Honestly I think Kia and Hyundai have a nicer and just as lux. interior......😑

[@Sport-wg2tv]

That front doesnt do it for me very ugly

[@countschad]

I will never buy an EV or a hybrid.... not until the Communists force me😢

[@ChicagoBob123]

No one plugs them in. They are stupid

[@David_Journey]

People with a garage can plug in easily over night. Depending on price of electricity the savings may vary though.

[@ChicagoBob123]

@@David_Journey Studies have shown people just don't bother. You can plug em in but they don't.

[@ducksseason]

People who might pick this would be mainly for the V6 vs the I4 Turbo. The plug-in is just a bonus. At least that's how I look at it.

[@David_Journey]

@@ducksseason the CX-90 PHEV has a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder 2.5 liter engine. No turbo on it. The electric engine can boost the gas engine, thus acting as a turbo without turbo lag.

[@peterfessier9780]

I have a Rav4 Prime and I drive electric 90 % of the time. I only drive hybrid on longer trips. I'm still having fun driving it two years in and I can't imagine not driving electric. I'd be surprised if most people who wait on a list for a Prime and pay a premium for it would then choose to drive it as a hybrid. I can't find any information supporting the idea that the majority of people buying plug in hybrids choose to not plug them in at all. The only information I found indicated that people were not driving their plug-in electric as much as the vehicle allows, whatever that means. I know this has been a significant issue in Europe when they had big incentives for people to buy plugin hybrids who lived in places where it was hard to plug in. I think the real question is how well will my complicated car hold up over the long run. Will the system last longer because I'm putting wear and tear on two different systems, or will it end up being expensive to maintain because it's complicated. So far so good though. If I didn't like plugging in my Prime I could have sold it for more than I paid for it.

[@wonchoi8663]

Assembling in Indiana is not good for its reliability.

[@b18tuner5875]

This is barely a plug-in hybrid, the range it has on EV only is pitiful.