I Water Cooled My Air Cooler AND..........

Ever since I can remember, when it comes to CPU cooling there are two main options, water cooling or air cooling. That got me thinking, why cant you do both. I took my Hyper 212 EVO and set out to water cool it, I thought it would be cool But I had not idea it would work this well.

[@der8auer]

Pretty nice idea man :D Well done

[@MajorHardware]

THANK YOU, You Are A LEGEND my man.

[@Babywtf]

legend der8auer approved 😱 great job 👍🏻

[@JoseAlfonsoChavez]

If der8auer likes it its because it is a very good idea! Awesome!

[@pav9978]

Nice Video, I have a Idea to improve it ! Bare with me, ja auch du Roman. It´s called spray cooling. Insted of beeing submerged you constantly spray a mist of water over it. The same way like a spraybottle for your windex does ( you could juse the nozzle). Continuosly, obious. How to. Take your case that you have and add to connections, one for the nozzle and one for the drainage. Idealy you would place the board in a case so that is upright. The cooler has to horizontaly installed, you spray water from above, collect the used water from underneath it, and done. you have increaced your cooling performance by a huge bit. Roman, solltest du das lesen, das könntest du auch mit dem Novec zeugs machen, führt so viel mehr Energie ab. Google Sprühkühlungen für Extrusionsanlangen.

[@Mp57navy]

Uff. Pretty redundant way to cool tho. It's about as useful as filling a walk-in freezer with smaller freezers and keeping their doors open.

[@threelivesplay6447]

Q: So do you prefer Air Cooling or Water Cooling? A: Yes.

[@Ianochez]

Ahah!

[@dragonbreak3360]

The dude standing aside: wat?

[@homeleung578]

r/InclusiveOr

[@xzaviastreet]

Only time it's actually a logic answer

[@whitebeartigtig]

I think or needs to be in bold

[@zdvy]

corsairs going to steal your idea and slap some RGB on it

[@MajorHardware]

RGB Would be sweet

[@MINECRAFTandSEB]

hahahahhahahahahahhah

[@ModMINI]

@@MajorHardware Put the LEDs in the water. They should do it.

[@lakshaytewatia6205]

Useless design, and technically it is reverse of Radiator with more disadvantage of no further dissipation of heat from the water. In radiator it is done by air cooling through Radiator FINS! it is good to be a Computer engineer, but implementing Mechanical to it requires knowledge.

[@nekokarasu1087]

@@lakshaytewatia6205 U must be fun at parties.. 🙄

[@travishein]

I guess the next logical step is to add an air cooler to cool the water reservoir.

[@mikechu01]

But you'll need a water cooler to cool that air cooler...

[@aircoolbro21scndling49]

@@mikechu01 next attach your entire ac to your pc cooling system

[@HowToPCYT]

@@aircoolbro21scndling49 even better! Remove the evaporator coil and replace it win a cpu colling block!

[@bmw328igearhead]

The laws of thermodynamics giggle... :)

[@unbekanntunbekant4587]

Or to coil the Tube in a fridge 🤣

[@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi]

If your ever worried about water leaking, just turn the hole rig upside down.

[@URFATH3R]

GRaViTy😫

[@numberyellow]

In terms of goofy shit, this is Linus-League. Congrats...because this thing actually works, you have managed to out-Linus Linus.

[@boheyo]

Didn't drop it either

[@numberyellow]

@@boheyo This is also a good point.

[@RagnorBC]

This is a fun experiment. A few notes to take into account for your next iteration: - make sure you have the heatsink fins vertical next time. - have your water entry at the bottom of your tank, ideally the opposite corner from the exit. Both of those changes will help mitigate stagnant water between the fins and therefor improve cooling even further.

[@JorgeGonzalez-yt8sy]

instead of putting the water entry or exit at the bottom, you could just extend one of the top tubes downward from the top. also, as much as i agree with the vertical fins, that's a lot of weight/torque to be putting on the board since it's filled with water. putting an additional pump inside to move around water may be a nice compromise.

[@samdavies1752]

This would put a huge amount of stress on the socket, it's not designed to support that mass of water

[@RagnorBC]

@@samdavies1752 do the math. It's not a particularly large heatsink; there's larger and heavier ones on the market. Besides, a support bracket is easy to make.

[@cryonim]

1 more thing @major hardware you should note is that cold water is basically a poison for any system. The condensed vapor on the outside of the cooling body will drip into your motherboard and kill it.

[@menno763]

@@cryonim As long as the water is above room temp u dont have condensation. and with the ammount of ice he is using that shouldnt be the case.

[@TheUndeadslayer221]

You: *Water cools your air cooler* *Linus would like to know your location.*

[@RacingSlow]

Radiator water spraying has been a thing on cars for a while now!

[@CryptoPaperRoute]

@@RacingSlow na nitrous is the way to cool er down lol

[@berberger4814]

linus did complete pc in oil, basically the same thing

[@zaidahmed5464]

he got him on a techquickie video

[@jonv.6213]

@@CryptoPaperRoute In WWII they just poured used wood gas to cool the engine before using said gas as fuel. Legit wood powered tanks.

[@ProjectMysticApostolate]

I want to see an updated more refined version of this. The kit looks badass. Proud of you bruh. 👍👍👍

[@Skinnamarink.]

i wonder if anything came of this

[@spragzpc1]

Linus will be doing a update version soon as he sees this 🤣..but will always remember we seen it here first

[@dr.brando8392]

YUNVMY COOLNAME tru

[@TheeCapN]

Ofc he is always needing content. He has the hand of the Chinese government so far up his ass.

[@bigpat_4295]

@@TheeCapN what does the Chinese government have to do with Linus (techtips?) ?

[@EliDjahn]

@@bigpat_4295 His wife is chinese

[@williambrown2135]

@@EliDjahn lmao thats like saying if some youtubers wife is originally from england that we all need to watch out, because "england has their hand up his ass"

[@Lucatin]

Up next: I Blow Cool Air Through a Water Cooler.

[@TefenCa]

HAHAHAHA

[@trevorjaster4072]

Lmao

[@dapz]

After that: I blow cool air through a water cooled air cooler

[@alexbakaloff]

that's how radiators kinda work tho :/

[@Lucatin]

@@alexbakaloff I was thinking with no water involved. Kinda like how this "air cooler" has no air involved. I have no idea what that would be like or if it could even work at all. I was mostly joking.

[@Doyle69]

This should be tested again, but with cold fluid entering from the bottom and the warm water removed from top, this setup is having the cold sucked straight out.

[@GLrecrds]

I thought about the same thing

[@poisonduckee]

The input hose goes to the bottom and the output hose ends at the top. What it needs is input on one side and output on the other side so the cold water flows between the fins. The way it is currently the water between the fins would only move due to convection.

[@jazzochannel]

will not matter in long run after the system is saturated with heat.

[@slaveNo-4028]

also he should try a passive-style heatsink, with thicker gaps between the fins so the water can more effectively pass through the fins and to avoid those airbubbles.

[@tamish3551]

Major Hardware: If this video does well.... 1.8 million people: HMMMMMMMMM

[@kelpklepto]

This feels like something Linus would have told one of his employees to attempt to build. Looking forward to more.

[@chyrt]

@Melanie L what makes you hate linus?

[@BBuncky2]

@@chyrt Don't feed the trolls.

[@chyrt]

@@BBuncky2 that sounds like pretty good advice

[@thebluemarauder]

No joke, I wasn't paying attention to who this was from and clicked thinking it was a Linus video.

[@jzn2]

I am sure linus is smart enough to say no to ice in the reservoir.

[@rdyer8764]

A very interesting idea, but here are a couple ideas on implementation. 1) Try polycarbonate (Lexan) instead of acrylic. It's much easier to machine - it won't shatter when cutting, drilling or tapping threads, though it's a little harder to glue. You can use the same cement, but it takes more time and more cement to "weld" a really good joint. When I glue polycarbonate I go over every seam a second time after the first one has cured. This can also help prevent leaks, but since you're backing your seams up with silicone, you should be fine. If you use 1/4" you can even drill and tap holes and use #4 machine screws to hold everything together mechanically. Of course that's a lot of work that's not needed - just more fun! :)) 2) I doubt you're getting much flow through the fins. The water is going to take the path of least resistance, so it's way more likely to go around the fins than through them. Early in your video you mentioned the idea of adding a baffle to route the water. I think that's of supreme importance. If you did that I wouldn't think you would need any bigger or better air-cooler, in fact you could probably go smaller. Good luck with version 2!!

[@welcometocattown2036]

I agree with everything you wrote there. It also seems a good idea to add some form of stands to help carry the weight of the water and the block combined. It seems like a lot of weight on the cpu.

[@wobblysauce]

Methylene Chloride is my bonder of choice, only need to do it once on the inside seem, if I really want to make sure I do the outside also.

[@user-ni7gk5tg5j]

Imo, you would also need some cooling for the water as well, as it gets hot really fast. Put an external rad down the route.

[@omotolaoyeniyi631]

@@welcometocattown2036 not Necessarily, when the water around the fins heat up they move up and colder water will replace them, the fins will create their own flow with the convection current

[@vctrsone]

We make the lightsaber tubes "blades" from polycarbonate tube. You can beat the heall out of each other with them and they will never break lol. Its good stuff.

[@SeanQuinn4]

*applies epoxy to air cooler* Morgan Freeman: There's no going back now.

[@JacketCK]

"there are only two options to cool your cpu" Liquid Nitrogen Set up: Am I a Joke to you?

[@Root3264]

I would not call this cooling, but freezing, since it's the next level hahaha

[@franktao8337]

Dont forget that LTT mineral oil pc

[@Merthis_Real]

I mean, it is a liquid

[@Fenrich2005]

in the market yes, consider that liquid nitrogen is not used by everyone

[@GewelReal]

@@Fenrich2005 but can be used by literally anyone. It's not particualry difficult to get into LN2 cooling

[@paininmydroid4526]

If it ain't broke, fix it till it is.

[@MajorHardware]

HAHA, This needs to be a shirt, If i had a merch store it would, maybe someday.

[@slinq]

na man you brix it

[@nixietubes]

@Major Hardware It is a shirt, kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5zUinWVndVphas

[@MajorHardware]

OOOOOOOH NICE that is awesome

[@1967KID]

Nice mod man.

[@1asdf2jklasdf31]

Congratulations, you broke KZbins algorithms.

[@IljaSara]

This exactly. Gratz man. This is now if not viral then at least semi-viral.

[@1asdf2jklasdf31]

@@IljaSara I think this is viral. 8 hours ago he had about 1000 followers.

[@IljaSara]

Nice. Quite a leap. :)

[@soragranda]

I mean, is already broke XD.

[@1asdf2jklasdf31]

@@soragranda that's a good point 🤔😁

[@Chevifier]

Major Hardware: "lets water cool our air cooler" Linus a few years ago: Lets put the entire pc in a fridge🤣

[@CypressConroy]

Why not a freezer

[@bradysetters9434]

Monkey D. Luffy I think it was a water cooled pc and if he did that the water in the tubes would freeze

[@jeezuhskriste5759]

@@Loganvbills I’d still say 0* F should still freeze it, unless it’s going a fair bit faster than it really should be.

[@carlpeters8690]

@@Loganvbills True BUT you can find frozen waterfalls.

[@sadmanh0]

@@CypressConroy the condensation in a freezer would short out the computer; he did use a compressor cooled PC though.

[@denesk2794]

But ... this is actually a water heater. There is no radiator on the outside that would actually make the water cool. To fix this experiment: the in/out should be on the other (wider) sides. Also water shouldn't be able to travel where there are no fins. Then an external radiator to cool the water in the direction of the ambient temperature (or an active chiller) ... just my 2c .... as it is, it is as effective as the aquarium PCs in mineral oil.

[@horstgunther9521]

well i just wrote the same thing :D seems I would not have needed to do this.. :D I agree to your view^^

[@pseudolemon8272]

the guy literally said that in the video. watch shit before you comment

[@paniniman6524]

Theres ice in it so it should be fine

[@denesk2794]

@@paniniman6524 Sure :) keep filling your cooling system with ice while rendering/working/playing COD :) ... My point was that there was no external radiator, and that any flow will choose the least resistance. That being: not between the fins, but above/around it. Essentially just turning the experiment into an immersion heater with a circulation ...

[@rdtiel]

add a radiator and a fan and it basically becomes a makeshift aio

[@ARCTIChannel]

*_ARCTIC_*_ wants to know your location_

[@dapz]

You gotta make this a product.

[@psionx1]

you better not be patent trolling for products you clearly don't sell yet.

[@rrcreative1033]

Wow artic contacting u

[@Lagggerengineering]

F*cking hell, ARCTIC IS HERE?!?

[@420f37]

lmfao

[@thomasrosebrough9062]

Good idea but you gotta think about water flow within the cooler tank. It easily bypasses most of the cooling fins.

[@MrDrewsky32]

This is essentially a more efficient water cooler that doesn't require fans. Great potential for saving a ton of space inside the case and cutting down on cable management. I can definitely see an excellent use for this concept. I'd love to see it refined!

[@erickelizondo789]

Up Next: I water cool my water cooler for my air cooler

[@arsh6082]

nah nah, LIQUID NITRGOEN cool my water cooler for my air cooler

[@alabujoda]

Nah, I air cool my water cooler for my air cooler

[@wrenchI05]

Ice cool my water cooler for my air cooler

[@Zeiss120]

Xzibit, is that you?

[@arti3973]

this comment shows how dumb is to watercool the air cooler

[@timwhite1783]

Isn't this just water cooling with extra steps?

[@DVSProductions]

A water cooler is just a air cooler with extra seps.

[@JesusDiaz-om4vx]

this is CPU-air cooling interface and the water cooling is a cooper-CPU interface, so technically this is just what you say with extra steps...

[@anonymouscoward7559]

NO NO NO a bit,yes.

[@Verticas]

Ah yes, inefficiency.

[@user-yi9yw7tt4d]

The area contacting water is actually way much more larger than most of the water cooling system. So I think it's quite worth a try. I think it would be more efficient if the air bubbles are cleared entirely.

[@MichaelFleischer-da-legendary]

I not checked if there is a newer Version of this video so, here dear creator I have some helpful Informations to you. One mistake is your water tank. The Material is a polymer probably pp or pe, with kinda thick walls, due to the thermal absorbing features of this material it will heats the backcoming water again and again over time. The Tank should be in this case a metal box. Second thing is the glue what you mentioned yourself it causes micro cracks in the material, especially if it‘s not tempered (a technique to remove tension on amorphe and partly cristalline materials), if you used pmma/plexiglas than you should go with acrifix 2 component glue of Röhm/Evonik. Well your fittings work and may you find better options for that aswell am not sure. Anyway after you finished the pmma/plexiglas solution I absolutely recommed to temper it for around 8-10 hours at around 75 degrees celsius. It will strenghten the case against chemicals. Last step could be a cooling plate under your new metal tank, and adding glycol? to your water solution. But am not quite sure in this step how it reacts to the metal of the cooler, would be a try worth.

[@Tomyp89]

To put it in some numbers, the same volume of water has about 3000 times more thermal capacity as air.

[@SeanfromSydney]

Congrats on getting picked up by the algorithm 😂

[@MajorHardware]

All hail the algorithm

[@milanwoltgas]

@@MajorHardware l try this project you are genius first for all to you now that,l think what about to add ice in that reservoair,water be very very cold

[@milanwoltgas]

@@MajorHardware and some led be nice water and led nice

[@AkashdeepSingh-qq5fw]

hey i have a question. Is this solution better than traditional liquid cooling?

[@LordOfNihil]

@@AkashdeepSingh-qq5fw nope, unless you keep adding ice the water will eventually get too hot to remove the heat efficiently, or boil. the heat has to go somewhere and a tank of water has its limits.

[@readysetnogo]

For being a small channel, your videos have a very high level of polish and quality. Keep up the hard work, dude. Your channel has some serious potential to get huge!

[@jscudderz]

This is just what a waterblock already is.

[@Merthis_Real]

Actually no The radiator is made to cool the liquid, while in this he was cooling the radiator

[@sekishira]

@@Merthis_Real actually he said waterblock

[@Merthis_Real]

@@sekishira yeah i see my shit now. it was 3am here tho

[@MastaSquidge]

Except with much less surface area involved. And that's kind of the most important aspect.

[@maverickstclare3756]

At the end of the leak test my head went to "thermal expansion" I think I might have made it so the motherboard was on top so if it leaks your get a wet floor and not a wet computer

[@overclockeverything2310]

For version 2.0, get some 90 degree fittings to force water through the fins.

[@justinfontenot3930]

@@jeffsadowski exactly what I was thinking and some baffles in it to to force it to go through the fins and not around the side of the fins for the least restricted flow

[@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks]

@@jeffsadowski i would suggest a shroud for the inlet and the outlet directed at the fins that way it gets to all if not most of them.

[@poppershnoz4536]

YES! and put the input and output hoses on the sides for when the Mobo is mounted sideways in a Rig.

[@ShortHandedNow]

@@comadamptog6606 Exactly what I was thinking or just use Jeffs idea. Seriously cool video.

[@timbersync]

and add small fish for some next level decoration. RGB is so last year

[@Biblogie]

Linus want to know your location

[@walmartskills]

Linus is a jealous Apple hater and that's all he is...kid needs to get laid

[@bubbleboy821]

@@walmartskills he doesn't hate apple, actually he used to have an iPhone not too long ago. He doesn't like some (a lot) of the things apple does

[@walmartskills]

@@bubbleboy821 Lol everyone has to deal with the stuff apple does, he isn't special

[@tajanatordroepik2018]

@@walmartskills why you hating on linus he on his grind unlike you

[@tajanatordroepik2018]

@@walmartskills you an actual hater

[@cmcas]

This is called a radiator. You *still need to remove* the heat from the fluid at some point in the system or you'll end up with a bucket of hot water after a couple of hours. By adding ice you've increased the thermal capacity of the system (good), which translates to a refrigerator cooled CPU. If you loop the water into your fridge then you'll have a huge and continuous heat removal system for your CPU. And then the *compressor* inside your fridge will be doing the work. See where I'm going? Heat -> Work. Work has to be done at some point. In any case I congratulate you for your ingenuity and creativity. These things make me smile.

[@MrOkieChef]

I worked on F-111’s in the Air Force in the early 70’s and part of the air conditioning system, which bled off engine exhaust for the source, had an air-to-water heat exchanger. Congrats for thinking outside the box.

[@pangeltveit]

Nice idea, but atleast 2 flaws I can see. 1. The Copper heatpipes are going to expand and retract, causing the seal on the bottom to wear out and cause a leak, eventually. 2. the Copper in the heatpipes are going to react to the aluminum in the fins, causing corrosion.

[@robertfield7532]

Went down into the comments looking for someone talking about galvanic corrosion. Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this huge issue.

[@nellatf]

Usually takes a while and there are additives to further slow it down

[@tebasnineone]

But, if we replace water with something like "mineral oil", is corrosion still a concern?

[@keltondavis4559]

Man none of y'all have ever taken a chemistry class

[@PiPArtemis]

@@tebasnineone in theory that would alleviate (but likely not solve) the issue as it comes with its own set of problems. Mineral oil spreads like a mofo making a huge mess if a spill or leak occurs, it also has a high capacitance for heat making it harder to exhaust the heat it will absorb from the block. Anti-corrosive additives and keeping an eye on the block is a better solution imo

[@quiksilvr90]

In my best Rick voice: "That's just water cooling with extra steps"

[@jttech44]

It's actually not going to be better than air cooling because those heat pipes have a fixed capacity, so they can't move heat to the radiator past a certain point, which you'd likely be able to hit with just air cooling, no water required. There's a reason why water blocks all have direct contact with the CPU block instead of a heat pipe intermediary like this.

[@MrJasontm2386]

Yea....without air well...yea just water cooled right?

[@johnsapla7906]

Wubba lubba dub dub

[@rodrigovda]

@@jttech44 although I understand what you say, heat flux speed is directly proportional to the temperature difference, so cooling the radiator would improve the heat speed. Anyways, it's true that it won't probably be noticeably faster. It can be faster but it's likely to be just a marginal difference.

[@jmccoy96jm]

Really when u think about. Water cooling is just air cooling with extra steps. Because your still gonna use a radiator with a fan on it. The only difference is the benefit of heat transfer to water instead of copper.

[@manfredschultz9619]

“I converted my Air Cooler into a Water Cooler” ;)

[@mukiex4413]

Fun fact: Some supercomputers actually do combine liquid cooling with air cooling. It's not immersion, but instead they add meshes that the air goes through. These metal meshes have liquid tubing welded into the structure, and liquid flows as needed to lower temperatures.

[@brennencox516]

I'm 6:10 in... fluid dynamics will be your biggest problem in the end, even if it proves successful, providing a proper path for fluid to flow would make the setup much more successful.

[@aperturescience2]

My thoughts exactly. A piece across the top to stop the fluid taking the shortest path would force it through the fins.

[@Bill.Papadakis]

@@aperturescience2 THANK YOU! im glad i was not the only one

[@passingbyguy]

Change to the bigger flow water pump.. and make separate room so water can flow better through the heat transfer area..

[@googlepleaseleavemealonean6198]

@@Bill.Papadakis Mick Lapworth He literally mentions this in the video kids

[@trystonkincannon8320]

Not only that, at the end of it all he puts ice in it, potentially destroying the experiment to begin whit. If you are going to be making a water air cooler, you need to do it at the heat sink not at the fins of the exhaust. it's just a water cooler.

[@Geezimac]

The algorithm just dropped this in my queue. Sweet. Now to see your playlist to see if you did an update!

[@jeremiah._.hamman9255]

Same

[@Raamyeon]

same. lol

[@gabsan9954]

Same lol

[@jaechoi4446]

Me 2

[@Sekib_Nave]

Same lol, I wonder why this is getting promoted now, 1 year later

[@TheRealMrRoboto]

I did this with mineral oils and a LGA771\5 back in the early 2000s on a Radial thermaltake with that axial central fan.- it WORKED AMAMZING - I left the cooling fan on to help move the oil - it may or may not of been needed but I felt it would help circulate the oil. ROCK SOILD At ambient +- 3c IIRC on my QX6800/6850.

[@harleynog]

Good concept dude, little tip with sealing leaks once the tank is 'sealed' hook it up to a vacuum then apply extra epoxy/silicon to your weak areas to allow the vacuum to draw the sealant into the gaps youl get a much more reliable seal and also if your vacuum is good enough youl create a cap internally :)

[@awk6657]

Cooler master wants to know your location

[@ahmedalbusaidi9538]

new cpu cooling system will be produced soon based on this experiment >>> wait and see

[@bernardo00124719]

@@ahmedalbusaidi9538 no it wont.

[@bloodofthefayth]

Already done

[@zeguyy]

When mom says we have aio’s at home

[@hammyboigaming904]

Hey it’s the best made cpu block, guaranteed to give you the best heat transfer from cpu to water

[@Omlet221]

You could just... add a water block But I appreciate the science that’s being done

[@TheDarmach]

And a radiator.

[@reyalPRON]

a year late here, but if you ever face the need to remove bubbles you have 2 easy ways. 1. Vibrate them out by hand. gently rock back and forth. flip 90° and repeat until satisfactory level achieved. 2. Pulses of liquid are far more effective at removing bubbles from water than a stable current. the exception is when making clear ice:) thanks for the effort making this. u proved my long time theory.

[@melmagallon6233]

World's... Biggest... Waterblock

[@bwcbiz]

@Izan TechnoMaster True that. The heat exhanger surface on this thing is huge compared with commercial water-cooling systems, even allowing for air bubbles. Given the high specific heat of water, it's probably reaching the point where the limiting factor is on the pipes/pad facing the CPU. Well, except for the fact that he doesn't yet have a radiator or evaporative cooling on the reservoir side.

[@gregwolking]

Izan TechnoMaster Exactly. Most of the coolant is going to flow around the fin stack rather then through it, taking the path of least resistance. On top of that, you'd better have some pretty solid strapping to the case to support the damned thing unless you plan to leave the case on its side. I can hear his motherboard cracking when he turns the case upright and fills it with water. Also, using ice water was a really dumb idea. He's lucky that acrylic is a pretty crappy conductor of heat, so the outside of the thing (apparently) never got cold enough to form condensation on the outside of the box or tubing. Either that, or the relative humidity was very, very low that day. ;)

[@Tomytoka]

the idea is really cool but i think it is really ineficient, the water isn't flowing through the vents (you can see that because of the air still between each layer) . i think you should put the input and the output horizontally and make the box of the size of the heatsink so the water only pases through the vents. i am not an engineer so if someone know much more than me please correct me i just really like this idea and want to see an improved version.

[@M3NBu]

yeah that is better but something really important is making the input at the bottom and the output at the top because hot water tends to go upwards and cold water goes downwards at this state it makes perfect circulation

[@S3thc0n]

@@M3NBu the low strength of convection makes it essentially irrelevant if you're actively moving the fluid

[@jessecooper4361]

it's a good thought Tomy but you have to remember the fins are there to pull heat off the heat pipes. as long as there is moving water going on and around the heat pipes it will take the heat away faster then it could go to the fins as water has a higher transfer rating for heat than aluminum, and to the point where he could probably remove the fin stack keep the pipes and get close to the same results maybe 3-4 c higher in the worse case.

[@joshfoley8862]

That's correct. That is the idea behind an efficient air to water intercooler used on engines. All the water passes through the cooling fins and none pass around the sides.

[@Timeward76]

@@M3NBu continuing from another reply, we cant account for all positions someone may put the block in so might as well not account for convection.

[@louisangelodorosan9241]

checkmate! water cooling ends with air cooling, you are re-reinventing the way!

[@LoganT547]

Kid: "Mom can we get water cooling?" Mom: "No we have water cooling at home" Water cooling at home:

[@PyromancerRift]

"My PC is WatAir cooled"

[@gaurangpanchal957]

I would go for Wet-Air cooled

[@KyzoFox]

More like what air cooled

[@robertocabiddu6008]

Kids: use air cooler Men: use water cooler Legends: use water cooled air coolers Gods: use air cooled water cooled air coolers

[@FirstNameLastName-bm6zc]

Technically water coolers are air cooled

[@frisk7674]

Yea xD every piece of the heatsink separated and water cooled

[@shuttlemp]

then there’s me with thermal cooling

[@alejandrorojas0]

Me an intellectual: use liquid nitrogen

[@gvnady8380]

Urban Legend: use water cooled air con

[@rickybryan7158]

I'm seeing support for this also a lot of criticism. He said its a proof of concept scaling ALWAYS comes later. Unique idea I'd patent it like crazy to future proof yourself. 9/10 on originality cheers

[@beaukuebodeaux8159]

holy crap the king of diy reference. I havnt seen his vides in forever

[@salihozturk2112]

H: What is your cpu cooling system ? M: Water cooled air cooler.

[@Dazzxp]

Chilled water aircooler.

[@sonicfon]

Alcohol cooled fan cooler

[@OzixiThrill]

Technically, it's a water-cooled heatsink.

[@trystonkincannon8320]

It's just water cooling with extra steps, as it does not contain any fans at all.

[@raven4k998]

well if an air cooler manufacturer decides to do it the result will be better because the air cooler will be protected from corrosion unlike the corsair cooler which is not cause corsair never envisioned their cooler being exposed to a liquid coolant constantly in contant with the heat sink fins trying to cool them and corroding them over time

[@blackops3622]

You should do this again and use mineral oil instead of water and leave the fan on the heat sink. Like this so he can see it 😉👌🏻

[@danieljimenez1989]

Agreed completely. Water will stain the copper quickly. The fan doesn't even have to run at full load, one just needs to move the liquid through the fins.

[@shodancat1000]

Dude, that's an awesome idea. I want to see this!

[@TheZerok666]

it's gonna be tough to figure out a good way of having the fan cable connect to the board while it's in the tank

[@szgege32]

@@TheZerok666 using cable gland? :D

[@user-en6vi7qy6h]

@@TheZerok666 there is no water on top of the cooler, thus you can make there a hole and glue the cable with silicon, thus no water can come out of there.

[@josephrose7753]

Love the ingenuity. My only concern is that the ice is biasing your results. The rate of ice melting would have to be compared to a typical water cooling/radiator setup to be more meaningful. Adding heat to a system undergoing a phase change does not raise the temp. If the water pulls heat from the connection faster than it can heat up, more heat fins are negligable, meaning more cost and points of failure are unnecessary. I would sugguest hooking your heat sink reservoir to a typicall radiator and checking the temps. Conversely, adding ice into an open loop cooler without heat fins on the block might reproduce your results. I really do love the idea, and it would be awesome if it does improve cooling.

[@steveburke3]

I had a huge smile on my face this whole video, such a great idea to play with! Thanks

[@joeyrosenbaum6893]

Next I would recommend making the acrylic box smaller to force more of the water through the fin stack

[@MrGimli2]

Keep going smaller andddd you end up with an AIO.

[@TheXaphs]

fluid dynamics dont work this way

[@majorjockitch]

Without size constraints , mass can compensate for flow , it would be interesting to compare. But like a water block , forcing the water to flow where you want it has the most immediate effect.

[@plasmar1]

I think the limitation will be relating to the way that evaporative cooling works as that's the thing transferring the temperature differences; I'm not quite sure how it will effect things but it should be interesting.... a guess is it will set a limit to how cold it can get since if the content of the pipes remain in liquid form it'll be relying on the metal to transfer temps and not evaporation of the liquid in the pipes; we'll see.... pretty cool either way:D

[@79Zhyr]

and to reduce the huge amount of weight from the block and water

[@tobiasmills9647]

When I was at school, i was always taught to use masking tape when cutting acrylic. It prevents splitting and the acrylic melting back together.

[@bra1nc417d]

The only problem, is the water slowly rising in temperature, since there's no fan to remove the heat. Eventually, that CPU will get way hotter than it would under a normal cooler. If you're simply trying to go for some good OC headroom, this is a great idea with that ice, no doubt. Good video, man.

[@artmckay6704]

I don't think it would make a noticeable difference but you should be able to eliminate most air bubbles by adding some dishwasher rinse aid. The rinse aid actually thins water and should all but do away with trapped air bubbles. Adding pure alcohol should help to increase the cooling effects. Very cool experiments! Keep up the grand cooling adventure! Kudos! :)

[@Skaret98]

Wait but that's just watercooling with extra steps.

[@thebcbane]

Skaret98 that's a deep cut. I approve 👍

[@kadajawi6567]

Yeah but I'd imagine that much bigger heat exchanger is going to help quite a bit compared to the ones that are usually used.

[@rawdez_]

@@kadajawi6567 removing heat directly from copper that contacts directly a CPU heatspreader vs. removing it from fins that remove heat from heatpipes? yeah, definitely more efficient. guys! we have some geniuses around here! * sarcasm mode off *

[@kadajawi6567]

@@rawdez_ That would be worth testing. The contact surface in a regular water block is relatively small. I'd be interested in seeing a video that tries to emulate this test, with everything but the water block the same. It could go either way, but I would not be surprised if the increase in contact area makes a difference.

[@digitalis2977]

@@kadajawi6567 It doesn't. The lion's share of the heat is sinking from the copper pipes long before it reaches the aluminum fins...because thermodynamics.

[@Hon2838]

Congrats bro,your video has been shared by PC gamer in their new article

[@MajorHardware]

That's actually awesome!!!!

[@steamedauroraborealis8208]

@@MajorHardware That's a lie. If it's not about fortnite, it's not from PC Gamer.

[@MajorHardware]

APEX.................... Does that help?

[@KokoroKatsura]

i got killed by dizzy on apex legends recently

[@prepetually-exploding-mind]

That is a fantastic idea. You have my head crunching how I could use some parts I have laying around!

[@karebear7251]

I actually seen someone else try this a long time ago but I don't remember how well it worked. Also there actually is other forms of cooling than traditional heatsink, and water loop. For non sustainable you have dry ice, LN2, and Liquid Helium. For sustainable you also have phase change, mineral oil tank builds, Novac 7000 tank builds. For anyone who just has to have better cooling than a water loop I would suggest either phase change or adding a water chiller..... however those are both quite pricey, and very niche. Still always cool to see people doing stuff like this. =)

[@austinwallace8570]

This is probably the most original content I’ve seen on KZbin in a while. Which is rare now a days. Great job

[@Diamonddogusa]

Water that cold I'd be worrying about it sweating.

[@sed8181]

Are you sweating bullets worrying about it sweating?

[@rendryn7141]

Condensation?

[@HerroYuy246]

Diamonddogusa yep going sub ambient isn’t a good idea for condensation.

[@dhruvjat8150]

Do you mean condensation?

[@Diamonddogusa]

@@dhruvjat8150 yes, condensation. Like on a glass of ice tea on a warm Georgia afternoon.

[@forrestgumpv9049]

You hit a home run with that idea. It simply cannot be cooled better, except with a Freon system.

[@JH-zi7fq]

Hey Brother! J from Denmark here! I think you should expand on this definately but I would love if you focused on making this some sort of DIY project where everyone can join in and using peoples own hardware in different scenarios.. If you want to get this going commercially you could build a company up from scratch where you sell DIY Kits helping people to build this, where the kit could include the best Heat Sink and pre-cut Acryl pieces and instructions and the tips and tricks you have learned.. The concept is VERY SOLID ... Im experienced in computers, and since the tendency of using extreme frequencies on CPUs still goes on amongst AMD and Intels R and D apartments, there is a future for this design you made! Its interesting to note how this actually resembles the high tech fuel cell developments that has similar design of huge metal to liquids surface area... So definately a clap on your shoulder here from me in Danmark ! Keep on working on this brother! It has great potencial... I dont even think you need such a big Heat Sink.. More important is to keep the Water or Cooling Liquid in the low temperaturs of around 10-22 Degrees CEEELCIUUUS !! VI SES ! FRED!

[@JH-zi7fq]

Or you could make a company selling these Coolers where it is like an ALL IN ONE, similar to the AIO watercoolers but just way nicer and better... Having transparent acrylic sides gives a HUUUUGE invitation to using COLORED COOLING LIQUID in the coolant cirquit.. ! I think there are AIO watercoolers already with this kind of colored liquids..

[@thelegend8570]

14:19 Don't worry about checking for leaks, if there are any, you'l know.

[@nicolas.leger3]

The legend 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SocialSpit]

I’ve had that exact cooler for about 12 years, I have always worried about that happening, it hasn’t, yet!

[@NZPortal1]

@@SocialSpit You're checking for leaks on an heat-sink?

[@satamototo]

Second radiator to chill the water out, larger pump and tighten the walls to force the water to go through 212 evo fins.

[@wesleyevans9340]

Stamo Hristov was hoping someone would have said this. Should work better by absolutely forcing the water through the fins

[@user-zq6pj5jo8j]

and have the the blow and the suck on opposite sides of the heatsink and not at the top

[@daftbence]

Yeh, those air pockets really held this back, maybe side fittings would be the way to go, and air must be removed between the fins.

[@imperfect_cliche]

Pretty sure this was the first video i saw from this channel and it made me sub. Just came back onto my feed today and it was still extremely enjoyable and fascinating. Great stuff

[@ikwilgewoonfilmpje]

Cool idea! Suggestion to avoid the consequences of possible leaks. Use a old PC case, cut of sides, mount some stands/legs on it for upside down placement and easy filming.This way leaks fal on your desk. You can put a dishcloth untop off your desk to easily spot drops of water

[@tsnoack]

inverting the whole assembly would've prevented water from damaging any components and would've given you a better idea how big a leak was if one developed

[@jakubkraus4788]

So it's basically an over-engineered cpu block?

[@lorzon]

No, a standard CPU block has a fraction of the surface area this has to transfer heat away.

[@obvious_humor]

lorzon So it's basically an over-engineered cpu block. ;)

[@pulver117]

@@lorzon No, a standard cpu block has the same surface area as this cpu block. This isn't increasing the contact area with the block to the cpu, this is encasing a fanless radiator with the water rather than passing it through the radiator itself, but with this setup you'd still need another radiator with fans to pass the heat from the water to the air for extended uses (or some other means of cooling the water stored in the reservoir.

[@danmerillat]

​@@lorzon If he slapped a normal waterblock in this setup (the jug of iced water and pump) he'd have the same results because the thermal conductivity of water is more than enough to get the heat away from the chip. What this doesn't solve is cooling the water.

[@antoniestrydom6367]

@@pulver117 I hear $1000 chillers work good to overclock CPUs

[@TuskerGaming]

I love how this video is 2 years old and ltt did this a couple weeks ago. way to be ahead of the curve

[@projectchannel8435]

friend: So are you doing air or water cooling? Major Hardware: YES

[@donutninja13]

Copied

[@iThoughtUHad2Bitch]

One time, I water cooled the water inside my water cooler that was water cooling my water cooled cooler. The results were rather watered down.

[@TyrantTigrex]

I wanna like this comment but it's at 69 likes and i don't want to ruin it

[@Mcawwacm]

@@TyrantTigrex same

[@bigchief9313]

By running it through ice water, you kinda break the experiment

[@trystonkincannon8320]

Not only break it, but also destroyed it, you could put a ice packet on a block and provided it doesn't melt onto the motherboard itself you can cool the CPU.

[@papab34r]

Tryston Kincannon although the ice solution instead of a radiator lessers the precision of the experiment as the delta T (temperature difference) is radically different from that of the ambient air, it still shows that potentially a water flow can cool the fins of an aircooler. Altough this may seem appearent, experimental data is always prefered over conjecture.

[@raynman6466]

I think the main point if this was to show it could be done. The ice obviously negates any temperature readings.

[@Austin1990]

(I am an engineer.) This is essentially a water cooling loop without a radiator. The CPU water block contains a small array of very fine fins. That is the heat exchanger between the CPU and the water. This setup replaces those fine fins with heat pipes and large fins. There is such little material in a water block vs the surface area that it will likely be far more efficient at transferring heat away from the CPU than this. That said, this is a really cool idea, and that counts for a lot. ;)

[@gregorychurch605]

With the amount of times I heard "no leaks" I thought this was a flex tape commercial. Anyway nice idea I love it.

[@roryos]

I mean, technically isn't this literally just a massive scale version of exactly what's happening in a water cooling block?

[@malikplayz8608]

Is mayonnaise an instrument? Yup

[@DrorF]

Exactly!

[@passingbyguy]

Yep, but the area for heat transfer more bigger than the original water cooled system..

[@DrorF]

@@passingbyguy Yep, but the water flows more slowly on the radiator than in the water block.

[@seanmetzger4780]

A real water system would have a means of cooling the water...without a radiator that water will be boiling in short order.

[@nicm783]

who else thought this guy had a ton of subs because of vid quality

[@zohan174]

just realized he only has 6k, wow!

[@crawfy4978]

No

[@savagepinksock]

ikr

[@kramler]

yeah, shame he only has 7,3 tons

[@rrcreative1033]

@@kramler yesterday just 3,7 mate.. now 7.3 ... 4k subs in a night

[@EliteQ16]

Me: Mom can I water cool my PC Mom: We have water cooling at home *The Water Cooling at home*

[@NastySasquatch]

We used to do this before they even sold the cooling systems. What a great throwback video to 90s hackmodding.

[@tql4849]

So this is what happens when we use 100% of our brain...

[@6104chrisn]

It's still a water cooled CPU you just made an enormous water block.

[@onearthonelegion]

It is still air cooling, since liquid is just used to carry the heat to another place where its cooled by air. Basically there is only air cooling and air cooling with liquid.

[@kfossa344]

onearthonelegion 🤦‍♂️

[@timisprenger446]

@@onearthonelegion right

[@zachandowen8205]

Im looking for the fan....

[@timisprenger446]

@@zachandowen8205 thats only a test-rig. if you want to let it run longer you have to cool the water down. with a radiator and fan's on it. 😜

[@hiroshiotani9969]

Great work! Removing air bubbles stucked between the fins might improve the cooling performance 👍🏻

[@ridiculus2]

If you put upside down, you wont have any risks of a leak briking anything. Great work, keep on it.

[@ganzano]

Design flaw: Input and output on same level. Better: Place input at bottom of container.

[@blarghts]

Also he probably wants to put a divider in the tank to direct the flow of water through the fins instead of around them

[@AnubisSolvang]

I was gonna comment the same. Glad someone else noticed.

[@caojay8483]

ganzano this what I’m going to say

[@paschalx]

I never thought about it. Good idea.

[@nathensalewski964]

Well I see what your saying but the motherboard is flat on a test bench, when it would be in a normal case it would be tipped on its side. so flow bottom to top or other way around. I think this is a really cool idea but more testing is needed to see where it needs improvement. I’d recommend putting in dye to see just where the water is flowing in the tank. Would help get a better idea if fins do really need to be added.

[@xmickx]

1. Theoratically a water cooling system is BOTH. water flows to the CPU then to the Radiator, where the water is spread inside and being cooled with FANS. 2. Your custom cooling system is built WRONG. as if with fans it is open and constantly cooled, you closed it in a container where the heat is preserved with the water. now you'd say the water is flowing but from where to where? it would have been better to set the input water flow in the bottom and the output on top as high as possible, that way you know the water flows all the way. in your custom tank, there is no circulation or whatsoever in the bottom. Basically, a water cooling system flows water directly in the CPU and constantly flows, what you have done here, is just cooling the pieces of metal that are conducting the heat by water instead of air flow, and not built as efficiant as it should be.

[@qlum]

Actually most aircooling systems are both as the heatpipes do use water in a vacum to speed up the transfer of heat. and yea essentially using a tower cooler as a cpublock is not as efficient be it simply because the heat has to travel through the air cooler first instead of traveling a very small distance to the cpu block's fin stack. Regardless of the heat in the fins is transfered to the water efficiently. The delta between the ice water and the cpu shows how inefficient this is.

[@ElectricalPorkChop]

THIS: "It would have been better to set the input water flow in the bottom and the output on top as high as possible, that way you know the water flows all the way. in your custom tank, there is no circulation or whatsoever in the bottom."

[@802Garage]

Just wanna correct you on one thing, there is almost certainly flow to the bottom of the coolant tank. Have you ever dropped food coloring in water? It continues downward since those molecules have momentum. While he could certainly get better flow of fresh water over the fins by properly positioning the inlet and outlet, right now the tank essentially swirls in a clockwise motion. It's not like the water molecules stop as soon as they hit the top of the water and then float across to go out. I suspect if he put some food color in, we would see most of the cooler tank quickly color, albeit with some dead spots, especially in the bottom corners.

[@anthonyjorg]

I don't know what to say but you're a freekin genius. You rendered it exactly perfect. You did it with no leaks the second try. If you can fit it in to a case with some ability to link to existing custom cooling stuff I buy it for a museum in my city. Good job with that. ;p

[@swordcoheir9186]

Honestly, if you rig the water to flow directly across the grills instead of just skimming along the top like you have it, I can guarantee the temp would go down even further. Like airflow having good water circulation is crucial to carry away the heat, and the more the moving water is running along the maximum surface area of the grills the more efficient it's going to work. This gets even better since those air cooling heat sinks are often made of nickel and copper and unlike aluminium are excellent at distributing heat throughout itself to give you the best heat/dissipation ratio.

[@tairikuookami4949]

I like the idea a lot, though I'm concerned about the added weight. If the Motherboard is mounted horizontally it's likely going to be less of an issue but most cases still have vertical mounting, I think the CPU socket could be in danger without a stronger retention plate to help weight distribution.

[@josip_rubcic]

Nah it's strong enough it it can hold be quiet Coolers this is a small amount of water

[@giorgio84]

I was about to comment this, sure it can be done, but aluminium plates are not strong enough to mount tank on them, maybe directly on tubes. I was expecting of mounting tank on tubes in this video already

[@shadowxxe]

some compact liquid coolers have the radiators literally on the socket so i dont think this is an issue

[@morgankane1643]

When LTT says "It depends", majorhardware says "Hold my dew"

[@SirBilliam96]

If you actually think about it, this works about the same way as a CPU waterblock but with heatpipes. Most waterblocks have microchannels cut into them to allow more surface area for cooling, and that is exactly what the fins do on an air cooler. The heatpipes themselves have liquid in them as well, which evaporates up the pipes and gets wicked backed down after. So in summary, you made a scaled up waterblock that doesn't contact the CPU directly. Great video!

[@VincentArboriste]

Cool experiment and proof of concept. But from my understanding, water as a thermal conductivity about 24 times bigger than air. This means that, for this setup to be used at capacity, you would need a heat dissipating radiator about 24 time this size for your system to be efficient at removing the heat from the liquid. Otherwise, your bottle neck is still the dissipation of the heat out of the liquid. You might as well shrink this water cooled heatsink by 24 folds and save the space and money to attack the real bottleneck of your system.