i3-3240 vs FX-6300 in 2020 - Here's Why the 6 Core FX Was a Better Option

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0:00 - Intro
2:24 - Specs
3:29 - Software Benchmarks
5:33 - Gaming Benchmarks
18:15 - Temperatures
19:38 - Power Consumption
20:12 - Overclocking
23:31 - Conclusion

[@RATechYT]

This is probably the most comprehensive comparison I've ever done, and I'd like to thank you all for making this possible, cause without your views, likes and comments I probably wouldn't bother making these videos. You can support my work here: www.buymeacoffee.com/ratechyt discord.gg/PFb9cMstZH ▪ instagram.com/ratechyt ▪ twitter.com/ratechyt ▪ facebook.com/ratechyt

[@Turktien]

Love this video! My primary gaming machine is a FX-8350 @4.7Ghz with 2230MHz RAM speed and an OC RX580@1435. My other rig on the living room TV is still an FX6300 that I was able to achieve 4.83GHz on and it's paired with an RX480 @ 1375. FX Series cpus get a bad wrap but I'm finding they are, in fact, little treasures! Really enjoy you making these videos!

[@MrJohnLongbow]

Gotta love FX 😜

[@MrJohnLongbow]

Turktien Retro build; AMD FX9590 with R9 295X2, 4x4GB 2133 Kingston Fury on an Asus Crosshair V Formula Z in an Antec 1200 case here 👍😉 She still runs 😉 😝 For every day use I am on AMD Ryzen 😀 AMD for the win 💪 Ps. I have Intel systems to 😝 so no fan boy here 👌

[@Olie956]

Windows 10 does make a difference in how well a CPU might perform due to the differences in the scheduler. A scheduler is a small program that the operating system uses to pass tasks to the CPU cores. A good scheduler will try to utilize the CPU cores more efficiently and evenly. So, instead of having CPU 0 ( Core 1 ) Being slammed with tasks, and every other core is pretty much just sitting idle chilling or with very low utilization, you instead get a balanced approach where Core 1 isn't slammed. The other cores are more effectively utilized trying to get them all to the same usage percentage. This way you don't create a bottleneck on a single core; This helps create a balance which significantly improves performance over the old Windows 7 scheduler which would just slam Core 1 and not really care about balancing out things across the other cores not really being used. Also making sure to populate all DIMM slots with a RAM module also does improve performance quite a bit as well and improves how the CPU accesses and utilizes the memory modules. Setting FPS caps also helps keep frame times more stable and helps reduce unnecessary CPU load as you don't need to generate useless extra frames. If you have a 60 Hz monitor for example, there is no real benefit going beyond 60 Hz. Yes you reduce latency in the controls when you go beyond 60 but, it's wildly inconsistent, and the frame rate will generally bounce all over the place. Consistency is far more important once a sufficient level of performance can is achieved. For games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey, a very CPU demanding title, limiting yourself to 30 FPS and enabling double buffer v-sync, gives you a solid, smooth, and tear free gaming experience, even on these older CPUs. AMD FX gets to much hate in my opinion. Vsync gets to much hate as well. Anyway I just wanted to put that out there. Great videos dude.

[@abdur1300]

you should compare it with core i3 6100..

[@DerHeinz0r]

FX 8350 @ 4,53 here. Works amazingly nice with a 1660 Super and 16GB @ 1600

[@me_and_me_]

I remember an 8350 bottlenecking an Hd 5830

[@appwraith]

Admittedly, I am a fan of the FX platform, and it's fascinating to see it sort of coming into its own after all these years after release.

[@nikitazaycev8636]

Phenom II X6 is still better, don't let the fake FX cores fool u.

[@normjohnson9176]

i got the i5 2400 and the fx 6300.. i5 2400 is significantly better of a pc.

[@nikitazaycev8636]

Norm Johnson Yes, that is absolutely right. I got an i5 3470, performs 20-30% better on average than a 6300.

[@h1tzzYT]

@@nikitazaycev8636 Well not really, since phenom II lacks modern instruction sets like avx so whatever utilizes them fx destroys it not to mention it, that it simply cannot run few games that require avx.

[@thudtheace]

@@nikitazaycev8636 Yes on some workloads the PII X6 does pretty good, but any code-path that uses AVX the Phenom II X6 gets blown away. For instance Handbrake encoding with H.264 the Phenom II is a hair faster than the FX-8150 (so yes faster than the FX-6300). But Handbrake encoding H.265 on the Phenom II gets smoked by a A10-7890K (2 module/4 thread chip). Encoding Big Buck Bunny H.265 from bbb_sunflower_2160p_30fps_normal.mp4 with HB on Ubuntu 20.04: Phenom II X6(32GB ECC DDR3-1600): encoded 19036 frames in 32831.32s (0.58 fps), 5894.79 kb/s, Avg QP:28.37 A10-7890K(24GB DDR3-2133): encoded 19036 frames in 13974.01s (1.36 fps), 5894.79 kb/s, Avg QP:28.37 FX-8150(16GB ECC DDR3-1866): encoded 19036 frames in 9316.24s (2.04 fps), 5888.35 kb/s, Avg QP:28.39 FX-8350(16GB ECC DDR3-1866): encoded 19036 frames in 7735.73s (2.46 fps), 5888.22 kb/s, Avg QP:28.39 Cheers!

[@KairanD]

The FX 6300 was a great chip for the price and a much better choice for almost every scenario when compared to the similarly priced Core i3 2/4. If you consider overclocking, the i3's situation is even worse. However, I'm surprised to see how well it performed... For an old and humble dual core, I thought it would be (a lot) worse. Still, the Intel platform had an advantage: who bought it could upgrade to a Core i7 - or even Core i5 - chip. The only problem is finding one of those for a fair price, something that doesn't always happen. I see some of those used chips still being sold for crazy prices, at least in my country (Brazil). Who bought the FX platform could upgrade to a 8-core chip, but - at least in my opinion - they're not the best choices when compared to Core i5 or Core i7 processors of the same epoch. They're not bad, though. There is an unnecesary hate around those chips, and they offered a good price/performance ratio. A 8-core FX is still pretty capable today. I bought a Core i5 4670K back in the day (Jan/2014) and I'm still using it. It's amazing how capable an old Core i5, Core i7 or FX 6-core or 8-core is. Sometimes I think about upgrading to a Ryzen system, but I'm still happy with this old 4-core, that keeps surprising me. Anyway, fantastic video. Your work is amazing and your methodology is solid. You deserve a lot more subscribers and I wish you success.

[@Player-xi9dx]

at the time the i3 outperformed the fx in almost everything since the i3 has a better ipc. On the other hand, when the applications began to use more cores, the fx was already relegated by the new ryzen anyway. Which repeated the history of fx (but with less consumption) Until the arrival of zen 2, there definitely amd ended with the huge ipc gap that distanced it from intel. Today the 2 companies have very interesting proposals, all of very high value.

[@jotabe1984]

@@Player-xi9dx that's not quite exact... even back then, the extra cores allowed for different task to be allocated in the extra cores, therefore while on pair or maybe even loosing on a single task bench (like a given 2011/2014 Dx11 game) it had extra room for other soft (voice com software, streamming/reccording soft, or just leaving a couple of browser tab open in the background). Productivity wise, there was software even back then (like Handbrake and Sony Vegas) that was already better in Fx CPUs, and yet again even in "single threaded soft" like older Adobe Suites, the extra core improved performance when Multitasking (i.e. having PS and AI opened at the same time). I can confirm first hand this by the experience my wife (i5 2550) and i (fx8350) had with our working PCs and how better the Fx CPU handled productivity back then and still nowadays thanks to the extra cores (sometimes it's not just about to end tasks faster, but to not hang during crucial times due to CPU maxing out) Fx6300 was also very capable for mid-range (4.2/4.5) overclocking with just a 25 buck cooler like 212, a mid range 970 mobo like Asus M5a97 R2 (a mother that packed many more features than a low end intel mobo) and a 500w Psu. That was decent out of the box computing power, but with OC potential at a really really cheap price... And while the aftermarket cooling solution and higher tier mobo cost could put the Fx6300 platform at the same price tag than a low tier i5 with an entry level motherboard, it is worth mentioning that a PC will benefit from better parts, it is very common for low tier motherboards to fail at some degree, something not as common when you step into better range of products.

[@MrJohnLongbow]

As someone who still owns multiple older systems including FX I will say that it wasn’t isn’t horrible or bad. It can still do ok. I will however say if you are planning to upgrade please spend your money on a newer generation like Ryzen. First and second (1xxx and 2xxx) gen is getting cheap(er) and with more cores and smt will be a better investment. I went to Ryzen with the R5-2600 and are currently on R9-3900X. Still, atleast two/three times a month the FX9590 with R9 295X2 (modded) retro build still gets used 😜

[@hertz_98]

Your channel needs many more views!

[@RATechYT]

Yes please!

[@RyugaHidekiOrRyuzaki]

Your videos are more interesting than 95% of my subscription feed. I love your insightful takes on these older FX parts. Keep up the good work man, I can't wait to see what you can do with newer parts when you have the budget!

[@RATechYT]

Appreciate it!

[@hertz_98]

Everywhere: go with Intel, an i3 is surely better than any fx in gaming, do you remember?

[@abcdefg9613]

At the time of launch it was. Then games (most dx11) were having a really hard time pushing more than 2 cores properly.

[@nadirjofas3140]

no

[@Ricmann3]

NO

[@hertz_98]

Probably my previous comment is a bit exaggerated and silly but: www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html With the sub-$100 Pentiums performing so well, Intel's $125 Core i3-2100 easily beats more expensive Phenom II and FX models. And the $190 Core i5-2400 dominates the sub-$200 landscape without challenge, really. As such, we're almost-shockingly left without an AMD CPU to recommend at any price point.

[@emonlevircni4617]

@@hertz_98 I3 2120 is a shit, I have one and I can use to play some games, but is a shit to multitask and it bottleneck my gpu.

[@popcornchokes84]

The FX 6300 was my first real modern platform. Only replaced it 2 years ago with an x5675 then a Ryzen 2700. Its now my main backup PC with a gtx970 for low settings multiplayer games. Still beats current gen consoles up and down the street. Love the content bro.

[@Zorro33313]

Nice to see someone outside of russia standing for FX. 83** is a legend here. Aging ridiculously well it was called "the one who cannot die". Keeping frametimes and mouse responsiveness nice through all these years, it turned out to be a golden buy for budget gamers. OC is super fun and architecture is truly unique. I love this piece of silicon. FX is a dream. FX is a fantasy. FX is romance. :D P.S. It's very responsive to mem subsystem OC. RAM OC scales almost linearly to the moon and CPU-NB 2400-2600 is a must have for 8c since it's heavily bottlenecked by L3 cache low stock freq. You prob know all that, but just in case)

[@dominikkavur5373]

Keep making those videos, love them! Would like to see how some old Athlons handle today :D

[@AlexM-uh7sq]

Despite what some continue to say, there’s nothing wrong with FX chips and yes they have aged better than i3’s and i5’s from those days. I have an 8350 @ 4.6 with a Vega 64 (I know-overkill, but it’s a black and red build and the Vega fits right in). Witcher 3 runs at 1440p ultra with 70-90 FPS most of the time. Some dips to around 60 in novigrad. Destroys any older games also at 1440p ultra. Yes it runs hot and uses more power. But if I’m gaming a few hours a few times a week it might be $20 more a year if that. Big deal.

[@sandrocarletto9386]

how have they aged better? the i5 3570 costs like 20 dollars and draws 36w maximum in my experience while trading blows with an 8350. and you have a better upgrade path to get like a xeon e3-1230 v2 or something

[@sandrocarletto9386]

@@Anemonea yes and even then they perform better because of single core which is still very important unlike threads which were called cores lmao

[@defu3683]

Good video, greetings from Argentina

[@juanobenitez2478]

wenardo

[@Trick-Framed]

Great video! Great dive into this chip. It's not well known that the FX 8xxx series was meant to compete with the i5 2500 and the FX 6xxx was meant to compete with the i3 2xxx. And they do indeed compete with them.

[@micaiahflores1592]

The FX series has always piqued my interest I might grab a secondary system super cheap so I can use it as a OBS box with Linux

[@perna002]

NIce Video ! This comparisons with olders FX runnings today vs others Intel CPUs, its very interesting.. Please, more videos with FX6300/8350 vs i5/i7 3a gen Sorry for my English, Brazilian Sub here !

[@HD-dp1pr]

Well this was definitely worth the wait

[@Andy-hi9do]

My sister's MMO rig I built her a year ago with spare parts in my closet ran a 6300@4.5ghz... great little cpu when mated with a RX 590. I swapped it out a few months ago for a 8370e my brother gave her. Also a great CPU for MMO games.

[@Piterixos]

I absolutely love the fact you went through multiple generations to see how the performance has changed. I hope something similar will be done with Ryzen 5 1600 and i5 7600k or 7500 in the next couple of years. I expected Intel to win in these older titles and was surprised to see it turned out the other way. Few notes: instead of talking about fps difference you should talk about percentages. It's just more informative and professional. Also I'm not a big fun of using low settings for cpu tests especially in these older games. I think lowering the resolution even further to avoid a gpu bottleneck is a better solution as in msot games it almost exclusively affects gpu and not a cpu.

[@decimat777]

Awesome video!

[@pamus6242]

People have forgotten for all the hate the FX series got, AMD was making 6 core Desktop processors 11 years Ago!!!

[@kylekennedy3299]

Thanks to RA I decided to go with fx 6300 from my old phenom 2 build. Also thanks to RA, got it up to 4.4 overclock and it’s been a treat. Rocking the same board here but rev 1 I think. I hope it keeps going for another 5 years or so, it’s perfect

[@Andy-hi9do]

I ran a 9590@5.1ghz on that motherboard from 2014-2019. Its a great board. I still have it in my closet just in case I need it. Give it good airflow and that thing will last forever.

[@Ckhpo]

A few thoughts of format/metrics for your future videos: If you have the option to do so, lose the numbers after the decimal in your FPS and MS displays. As they were setup in this video it was often difficult to read the numbers. While your audio is clear, might be worth your while to invest in a better mic. Sounds a bit like listening to someone who's 20-30 feet down a hallway. Keep it up with the retro gaming comparisons!

[@dinocorreia1202]

Playing Flight Simulator 2020 with my FX 6300 at 4.5Ghz paired with a Asus Strix RX 580, 16Gb ram and a Asus M5a97 Evo R. 2 and... I can fly with no problems

[@mathiasmorrison1530]

Same here....if u have a fx 6300 u want to see how far u can push it! This CPU is just fun!

[@dinocorreia1202]

@@mathiasmorrison1530 Of course is an end of line processor comparing with the new Ryzens, of course i have lower fps's than the most recent GPU's and CPU's but, as you say, it's just fun how everything still works quite well

[@mathiasmorrison1530]

@@dinocorreia1202 100% agree!

[@suleymanbatuhanaylak2124]

Everyone trashes fx systems because of their performances but they had really good price to performance ratios around here too, with cheaper motherboards. An i3 had a much better upgrade path to i7 4th gen though

[@mesicek7]

Because there's a reason for it. It's utter shit.

[@suleymanbatuhanaylak2124]

@@mesicek7 not everyone has enough budget to not care about price/performance ratios. Do you see people trashing i3 buyers? No. Because if they could afford more they would get a better cpu. And fx 6300 was a better i3 for less price back then. Cheers to you for being rich.

[@HD-dp1pr]

@@mesicek7 then why watch this video lol

[@mesicek7]

@@HD-dp1pr I don't need to watch it. There's been numerous vids on these cpu's.

[@HD-dp1pr]

@@mesicek7 so if u didn't watch it why are u here

[@FeTiProductions]

Man I remember back in 2014-5 I was at the crossroads on which system to build based on which CPU to get. My options were: i3 3240 - $120 i3 4130 - $130 FX6300 - $120 I only went the i3 3240 because for whatever reason on Amazon, it sold for $88 USD for just 2 days or so brand new. And even if it didn't, I'd probably still go Intel cuz as you said, it was all single core life back in those days. Now in 2020 I have learnt the value of *headroom*. Even if the cores aren't as strong, I have learnt the value of having CPU headroom for better frame-times and just how beneficial more cores are for multi-processing. From a GPU perspective (I own a GTX 960 2GB), I learnt the value of having the version GPU with the highest amount of VRAM. Headroom headroom headroom.

[@RATechYT]

And it's not your fault either, cause I really don't remember anyone talking about the headroom and frame time situation back in the day. All that was said is you don't need more cores for gaming, and that you only needed them for rendering, multi-tasking etc. All you need is SINGLE CO' POWAH BABE

[@guywhoknows]

@@RATechYT that's not really true. Before and I am talking AMD X2 and core 2 duo... The multi core launch was not long after multi GPU. The problem is the same for both, there was not much software that would make things work great and it would take a patch for the OS some e time later just to get the perks from the os with multi core. You then ended up with some games using multi core or running on single core, or trying to run badly on multicore. So you could have more cores and worse performance, also due to heat the single performance was lower as it heated the rear of the CPUs in the process which was beyond safe levels. Think of the old intel system, 3.6-4.8ghz single core, best muster of a quad was 2.4ghz. or 3ghz. Game engine and design can take an age to Dev launch plan and all the bits in-between, so games were not all that good or developed for multi core and multi GPU, SLI/crossfire fading. Software had been doing the rounds and not really worked in adding more threads and memory management for multicore. So you would have heard you need good single core performance and multi core is for rendering... But playing games renders.. fact. But having seen first gen and concepts and the benefits. It was always obvious that multi core was good as long as you did get higher clocks, or suitable clock speeds, as there was a lot of games and software that were not designed or could only work patched on multi core and anything above quad.

[@guywhoknows]

Nice video I watched you other on the fx8350 as I got one the other week. I didn't try out a few ranges of tech as my old tech worked fine.. I've been benching and had all sorts of "oddities" so system has been stripped and cleaned and test carried out and re tested to see if it's a AMD quirk. I was hopeful that this video was a tech video on the core structure. As to the performance and quirk. Will be doing the benching later and part 2 up by the weekend.

[@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513]

I'm just upgrading from fx-8350 to ryzen 7 now.. omg I'll miss it

[@byrnhard]

Very interesting findings! Didn't expect the FX to be the overall better gaming chip in that price range. Yet, context matters, so thanks for providing thermals & power consumption Ironically, nowadays the situation seems almost reversed, with Ryzen being the supposedly more efficient platform, while Core providing the supposedly better gaming foundation.

[@rmgaminguk7079]

Another great video, the depth you go into is greatly appreciated. I think the only criticism would be the choice of chips to compare. I appreciate you did it on release date and price, but I think from a marketing point of view the FX6300 was supposed to compete with the i5 but at a cheaper price, and the FX8350 was to compete with the i7. I don't think many people would have bought the i3 for gaming.

[@RATechYT]

Comparing these two makes more sense, cause for nearly the same price you'd either build an i3 system or an FX-6300 one. I'm thinking of comparing the six core FX to the i5 though.

[@guywhoknows]

@@RATechYT seems like a thing to do. I've the hardware and at a good guess, the i5 will struggle in some games like war zone, I know this form playing it and just benching the fx8350. But intel did well over all. But I'd say it would be interesting.

[@ahmedelshazly433]

Actually amd advertised the 6300 as the competitor of the I5 sandy bridge and the 8350 was compared to the I5 Ivy bridge one.

[@miki476]

Had Fx6300 @4.5ghz for 3 years. Moved to Fx8350, oced it to 4.65,performance gain was big in new games, like bf3 went from 60-80fps to 80-120 etc. Recently moved to ryzen 3600...Literally doubled the performance. Anyway, I still think fx8350 is a beast of cpu, 8 years old, still playable.

[@justadreamerfl]

For me update to win 10 was a really big difference. Dont know why or how but it helps with everything.

[@fabiosemino2214]

Meaning, when I choose back then to upgrade my phenom 2 to an i3 and then an I5 I just wasted money for similar performance for my use case.

[@KSI_Revelations]

Correct. That is the Intel Paradox. AMD Has always had a better price to performance ratio

[@Trick-Framed]

I got an FX 6200 and put it on a Gigabyte 970 mobo 8gb w/DDR3 1866, 120gb ssd, 1tb HDD and an RX 460 2GB OCed and unlocked. I was able to get a stable 4.2 Ghz overclock as a base and set the turbo to 4.4 Ghz. This system was a great entry level machine and played anything I threw at it which was esports, some triple A titles and Vegas Pro 15. No issues. Sold it for $200 w/trade in of an excavator APU. That was 9 months ago. I have an FX 8350 that I bought as personal use over an i5 2500. I regretted that for a year or two but then stopped around 2016 when I realized it was still running everything I played with acceptable frame rates at 1080p. Mind you while on an HD 7850 2GB. Once I went from an RX 480 8gb to a GTX 1080 FE it no longer mattered. Which goes to show just how much the GPU matters. However all of that will be in the past when these consoles launch.

[@Charlie21G]

Literally spent less then $300. That Includes a FX 6300 @4.4Ghz, two drr3 sticks 12gb, 1660super super I bought for 150, 80 plus bronze 450watt psu, motherboard 760gm-hdv. I play warzone and master chief collection. Both work fine.

[@giserson2]

Back in the day I always recommended and built FX machines, often with the 6300. It's nice to see that I made the right call. Spending what was often 20-25€ less on the CPU made often made it possible to stretch the budget to fit a better GPU.

[@evenblackercrow4476]

Good performance value study--and it's entertaining as far as I'm concerned for looking back on the last decade. Sometimes I think Intel is pricing their low/er end cpus the way hamburger gets priced by supermarkets (inflated). When you decide revisit the FX cpus again, I'd like to see more demo on tuning the NB and HT. I think you said it contributed consistency, right, and maybe that too was seen here, with your test comparisons. Thanks.

[@NKG416]

i remember from adored tv comments section that Zen is basically bulldozer cpu with infinity fabric

[@famousfighter2310]

Jeez. That i3 is powerful

[@Trick-Framed]

The Apex issue is with texture streaming. They seem to have broken it with the latest patch. I hope they fix it soon. Tired of looking at a 10-20 frame drop depending on area....

[@YTSZAZU]

Very awesome video. I have followed your overclocking video and can confirm that overclocking cpu and ram will increase performance and northbridge overclocking does not have any noticable performance. I have some questions: 1) Have you tried i5 versus fx 8 cores? 2) For fx processors 4GHZ x 6 cores versus 3GHZ x 8 cores, which is better? (I have a fx 8300 on the way), due to power concerns I am not sure which config will get better performance.

[@RATechYT]

More cores is what I'd go for.

[@RATechYT]

And I will be comparing an i5 to the 8 core FX in one of my upcoming videos.

[@prathameshlotake1318]

So intel fooled the people with single core hype

[@decimat777]

I think I’ll have to add this one to my collection now lol

[@korong_busuk]

In GTA V, the number of cores greatly affects the smoothness of the game, a processor of 4 or more cores ( even at low speeds ) can make the game much lighter and smoother even though the resulting fps is lower, compared to a 2-core processor with very high speed.

[@Olie956]

i3 - 3240 Q3'12 $147 2 core / 4 thread 3.40 GHz 55 Watt AMD FX 6300 Q4'12 $132 6 core / 6 thread 3.5 GHz 95 Watt

[@nikitazaycev8636]

3 modules 6 threads. And Phenom II X6 from 2010 beats it, older tech

[@Olie956]

​@@nikitazaycev8636 No one was talking about the Phenom II X6. The entire video is about the Intel i3-3240 vs the AMD FX 6300.

[@SiliconPower74]

49ºC for a VRM is cool. My 9590 make the VRM of my MB cry, over 110ºC. With a fan over the VRM, peaks at 65-70ºC, pretty cool for a VRM taking 250W

[@downundergarage6968]

Could you do a comparison with the i3-7100? I think that you have that chip so doing the 2 would be easy. I know that in the 8300 vid, you did just that. It would be good to see at what level the pure i-3 would be equivalent to the 6300. Going beyond the 7th gen would not be fair as the 8th gen I3 have finally moved to the physical 4 cores. I do have the A8-6600k in my collection of CPUs but as yet i have not tested it. My gut feel would be that the i3-7100 would be slightly ahead on the fx-6300 in most of the games, with FX being still ahead in the multi-threaded rendering applications. A new project for you :)

[@subarnasantra801]

Useful video

[@oh_Milky]

I’m not sure if you said this in the video but what overlay are you using to get the in game data?

[@RATechYT]

It's RivaTuner Statistics that comes with MSI Afterburner. Make sure to download it on the official MSI website, I recently got an advertised MSI Afterburner link at the top of google search, which was a knock off MSI website.

[@aranguis]

AMD FX-8350@4.7ghz, Ram:2x8(1866mhz), GTX-1070[Zotac], etc. Holding good in games... 1080p60hz[Alto/Ultra] Except "BugSoft", Medium/High...

[@Zorro33313]

what's about cpu-nb?)

[@aranguis]

@@Zorro33313 CPU Northbridge Frequency 2200Mhz; HT Link Frequency 2600Mhz; MOBO: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 R5; User´s Manual Rev.1001 = 12ME-990FXR5-1001R

[@Zorro33313]

@@aranguis try to OC cpu-nb up to 2600 trading off HT (up to 2400) and even Core Clocks (up to 4.6-4.5) if needed for stability. You'll see some nice performance uplift especially in 1% low, cuz it will remove some of L3 bottleneck that cripples 8*** cpus. Your mobo is good and might hold multiplier. If not - it's a common situation for AM3+ mobos and it solved simply by BCLK OC. (I'm assuming here you'r familiar with manual OC and not using any auto OC software :D)

[@aranguis]

@@Zorro33313 Thank you, for the Tip.

[@Zorro33313]

@@aranguis np. i spent quite a lot of time in past testing different FXs in different configurations. I'm seriously in love with these chips) super inventive, creative and unique arch.

[@mathiasmorrison1530]

Got with my fx 6300 a 27.5 time with 32 Ghops...and run GTA 5 on Very High on a higher resolution with same frames. 38 degree idle temps on 4.5 Ghz OC. And max 49 degrees on intelburn max. GPU is a GTX 1060 6Gb.

[@franchellevanheerden]

Intel i3 3240 vs AMD FX8150 which CPU is better at gaming?

[@CharcharoExplorer]

The first multicore (Dual Core) games one can actually find are from 2004-2005 with some from 2003 being modded or upgraded via patches to use 2 cores to some minor extent. Single-core hasnt been a thing in gaming for 16 years. And 2011 and up we had mostly quad core games. All games past 2013 show at least some gaing from 4 to 6 or 8 cores/threads. People just dont know how to test CPUs and dont play games for real. Reviewers also do not play games for real, they pick an easy to bench sequence at the start of the game and use that.

[@Trick-Framed]

Many do. I've watched so many that use the in game bench or bench an intro sequence without actually playing the game which makes no sense. These are usually people that are more accustomed to using video editing software and will show you 5 benchmarks for 5 different video suites alongside the a few in game or intro based benchmarks. No good. Need to see the real data. I like RA for this. You can see he plays heavy trafficked maps and areas in games to get his numbers for the most part. And that's what I am here for, real world gaming performance as intel likes to call it.

[@nadirjofas3140]

Which Games?

[@CharcharoExplorer]

@@nadirjofas3140 Unreal Tournamenr 2004, Half Life 2, Quake 4. STALKER, Crysis 1, all other 2008 games.

[@nadirjofas3140]

@@CharcharoExplorer ehm no

[@laurelsporter4569]

TIL driving is the most demanding task CPUs have in video games.

[@kanuh]

My FX runs at 4.6ghz and i love it

[@hasbidababy5072]

for gaming should i get 6300 or 8300?

[@php600]

In a field where apparently people would be rational, they behave like people fooled by hype and brands.

[@christian_wijaya]

I own Intel i3 3240 since early 3015. I guess it's time to switch team

[@Trick-Framed]

After all this and all the comments I am going to rebuild my FX 8350. Asus 990x board, 12GB DDR3 2000, 120mm AIO and a case with 9 140mm fans should do it. Still not sure about the GPU tho... Probably a GTX 970 4GB. I really wish I had my RX 480 8GB. It was an XFX but I loved it. Great card. I feel that the RX 480/580 8GB are the pinnacle of performance for the FX processors. Anything else just produces diminishing returns.

[@4n4Queen]

Im using i5 2500 non K right now, but yesterday my mobo is dead. I'm thinking to go for FX6300, and use my old part for other parts. I just need to buy a mobo and fx6300, and use my old gpu gtx970. Is it worth it ? Or just buy another 1155 used board ?

[@4n4Queen]

Please someone help.

[@RATechYT]

@@4n4Queen Just buy a new motherboard. I don't think getting an FX-6300 with a new mobo is worth it.

[@yamujalapraveen84]

Which is best fx6300 or i3 -3240

[@kevinvanneste2500]

Maybe you could test a G4560 against the fx series? I like your vids keep up the good work 👍

[@RATechYT]

Currently editing the i3 7100 vs FX-8350 comparison, stay tuned 😉

[@kevinvanneste2500]

@@RATechYT nice, can't wait!

[@GameEvolutionChannel]

please Versus FX 6300 and Ryzen 1200 Stock in 2020

[@RATechYT]

I'll think about it.

[@GameEvolutionChannel]

i be waiting

[@evers6214]

The ryzen 1200 is very close to fx8350. Id imagine it would beat the fx6300 by a good bit.

[@Ricmann3]

This is not optional, but mandatory, to evolve into Ryzen. However, the first and second generation of Ryzen processors do not justify the exchange of an FX for them. The first does not even manage to overcome an FX 8350. In several FPS tests the first Ryzen are overcome with some advantage by the FX 8350. The second generation can "look" over the shoulder of the FX 8350 and the third generation, achieves a considerable advantage about it. In other words, it took ten years and three generations of the next processor to overcome an FX. This proves that the tests done with the Intel processors of the past generations against FX, were false and full of prejudices against them. The tests are there to prove it now.

[@nadirjofas3140]

What tests?

[@justadreamerfl]

I have 4.2 ghz and seeing 471 on R15 and its making me sad...

[@mr.chicken6579]

the intel ur using is haswell

[@gamingsky2464]

Bro I have Intel Pentium G620 2.60ghz processor can I upgrade my cpu to Intel i3 3rd generation 3240 3.4ghz processor with the same Intel Pentium G620 motherboard?????will Intel G620 motherboard support i3 processor or not??🙏🙏🙏

[@RATechYT]

You should be able to do that, though you'll most likely need a BIOS update first.

[@TheBlackTownmateXCrypton]

the witcher 60fps+ wtf cool!

[@gabe.d]

Hi, do you think the ASUS M5A78L-M Plus/USB3 is good enough to overclock an FX-6300 to 4.0GHz?

[@RATechYT]

Definitely not. Even for stock usage it's not a good motherboard to pair with the FX-6300.

[@zad904100]

@@RATechYT Why not?

[@RATechYT]

​@@zad904100 It has weak VRMs, not to mention the lack of a heatsink on them. You could try attaching a heatsink and using a couple of fans to cool the VRMs down, but I wouldn't be surprised if the system kept throttling with an overclock. That kind of modification would be enough for stock usage though.

[@zad904100]

@@RATechYT OK thanks. Which processor would be the biggest upgrade for that board without any problems?

[@Indiandragon]

Which graphics you used with fx 6300

[@RATechYT]

2:41

[@gigglesinthenight423]

I am still using FX 6300, still better and awesome.

[@sofiaknyazeva]

FX-6300 is a 6-core CPU with 6MB L2 and 8MB L3A cache. The issues with FX-6300 will not be represent in this benchmark, or at least they're unnoticeable. Clearly FX have much more spec than i3 and thus the comparison wasn't fair enough. i3 is dual core CPU and each core have two threads. When talking about multi-core performance, FX has clearly much benefit over i3. When i3 won single core benchmark, it was clear that FX cores aren't good enough or like i3. And this is the exact time, several issues related with FX, show up. To be fair, i3 perform quite better (not the best) but able to manage FX. So the price is fair for Intel.

[@RATechYT]

The comparison is fair, because both processors were priced similarly. In fact, the i3 was a bit more expensive, though overall you'd spend about the same when building a PC with both processors, since the FX-6300 required a slightly beefier PSU.

[@sofiaknyazeva]

@RA Tech I'm not talking about the price but the initial architectural differences between these CPUs.

[@RATechYT]

@@sofiaknyazeva Oh, sure thing, Intel's architecture is superior and more efficient without a doubt.

[@trophymaster2073]

I am watching this video on an fx-6300

[@mclarenf1gtr99]

The i3-6100 is not bad. They even compared at the time with a stock i5-2500k because performance was similar in games. I think the i3-6100 would be better than an overclocked FX-6300. Nice to see my i3-8145U does better in CB15 (320, 362 with undervolt) than a 3rd gen desktop i3. (As I searched, actually on par with i3-4170).

[@dennis5909]

Most people compare the fx 6300 to i3 but I don’t get it why most current games has a minimum requirements of fx-6300, i5-2400, i5-3470 and not i3-3240

[@RATechYT]

Because the i3 was never really a good gaming CPU. The FX-6300 is much more capable thanks to having more cores.

[@user-rv8qt7jq3t]

I conflict choosing between buldozer and bishera. Fx 8120 I chose.

[@trueheart5666]

Get the better binned 8350 for less power consumption.

[@user-rv8qt7jq3t]

@@trueheart5666 huh mine is low TDP version 95w :)

[@drewclalbiaklianajr8175]

👍👍👍

[@koreanfanofficial4667]

How i can overclock amd fx-8300 up to 4Ghz on asus m5a78l-mlx. I cant goes up under 3.6 Ghz.

[@RATechYT]

That's a horrible motherboard to pair with an 8 core FX, even at stock. If you want to overclock, you're going to need a much better motherboard.

[@koreanfanofficial4667]

@@RATechYT what m-board i need?

[@RATechYT]

@@koreanfanofficial4667 Something with stronger VRMs such as the Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3, MSI 970 Gaming, ASUS M5A97 Evo etc.

[@TRANExt]

i use asus mobo but, i just push 1.236volt with 25%LLC i got 3.85 Ghz all core. if u do increase the voltage the motherboard will protect its self because no option to change APM.

[@jparrais]

the message here is simple, don't fall for the "4c/8t is fine bro, 6c/12t is all you will ever need for gaming bruh" bullshit. Multicore/thread performance matters, too. Specially with upcoming titles.

[@thenoob8182]

Considering you’re comparing a $10 chip and a $40 chip, I’d say the i3 not only held it’s own, but has better price to performance

[@trueheart5666]

If you're an intel fan boy, ofc you'd definitely praise the i3. 😂 i3 has the same core count til 2017. That's how much intel is screwing you.

[@Theworthsearcher]

It's a no brainer. Fx 6300 cost very similair to the i3, so the choice was always clear. Yes, the i3 has probably a better upgrade path but intel CPUs have their security risks and therefor they went to be a bit slower in the last couple of years.

[@elstondias9172]

Next up phenom x4 vs i3 3rd gen

[@satsumagt5284]

9:22 Hey guys, ChrisFix here

[@pamus6242]

RA subscribers be like screw Jayz, Linus and blah blah.

[@Mati-ct3tr]

I got on fx 6300 4.6ghz

[@Mati-ct3tr]

Stable

[@montage_guy]

bro fx is like 7000 and i3 3420 is only 2000

[@Nightek1]

FX 6300 95W i3 3240 55W

[@UNITYMusics]

3470 :o

[@sergejgrauberger6732]

Long story short...if one turns off the metrics..there is not gonna be a difference..

[@RATechYT]

You don't need the overlay to feel the difference between the two. It's extremely noticeable.

[@nikitazaycev8636]

FX 6300 is not a 6-core cpu, mind u. 3 fpu's. And how about i3-6100

[@RATechYT]

Can you link a source that says it's not a 6 core CPU? Thanks.

[@nikitazaycev8636]

RA Tech www.theregister.com/2015/11/06/amd_sued_cores/ The thing is, we are no longer in the 90es, when Fpu was "optional" (still made a lot of difference in games like Doom and Doom II, lol), so TODAY, a core is 1 integer unit + 1 fpu. If u have 2 integer units and 1 fpu, then u cant present them as "cores", because when u say cores, u are mentioning that they are independent, which is not the case here. Btw, with Ryzen they are still using SMT, u are not saying that Ryzen 5 1600X has 12 cores, right?

[@RATechYT]

​@@nikitazaycev8636 There's not a single word about FX-8350 or FX-6300 not actually being an 8 or 6 core FX processor. You can even see the cores on the images of the die; there are 8 actual cores on the silicon of FX-8000/9000 series processors. The same goes for the FX-6300, *it is* a 6 core processor, so I have no idea what makes you believe that it doesn't have 6 cores. www.extremetech.com/computing/284335-the-garbage-class-action-lawsuit-against-amds-bulldozer-is-headed-to-trial Please have a read, and I'd really appreciate if you didn't mislead people by posting comments like this. Thanks.

[@nikitazaycev8636]

RA Tech Well, in this very same article it says "...a significant majority interpret ‘core’ in ways that are fully consistent with AMD’s chips...", as i said each fpu unit should be completely dedidicated to each integer unit, thus forming a real core. Amd wanted to play cheap (to save silicon area, reduce $$$, and advertise the fake cores) and they paid for that. Was AMD right? Nope. To be 100% honest they should have said "4 modules with upto 8x performance scaling". As u may know, any tech lawsuit that actually passes means that there was indeed something wrong with the company's practice. A $12M bill for AMD btw.

[@RATechYT]

​@@nikitazaycev8636 Well, not everyone who gets sent to jail is actually a criminal. The law doesn't always care whether you're right or not, and it's a similar situation here. Just so you know AMD didn't lose the lawsuit, they decided to settle out of court since they didn't want to waste their time and money proving the plaintiffs wrong, simple as that. Either way, FX processors have the exact amount of cores they're advertised at. An FX-8350 isn't a quad-core, which is what the plaintiffs claim, and it is absolutely wrong. You can say that they're weak or slower compared to Intel's cores, but saying that they don't actually have 8, 6 or 4 physical cores just because every 2 core in a module shares an FPU is simply misleading. There are plenty of processors that have completely different architecture designs, so there's no definition of a core. Console, smartphone and desktop 8 core processors have completely different designs and the performance difference can be massive jumping from one CPU to the other, yet that doesn't mean that the best performing 8 core is the real 8 core, while the other two are not.

[@misterPAINMAKER]

You should test newer games.

[@RATechYT]

No point really. Unless it's a very simple game, the i3 is going to lose without a doubt.

[@user-pq5xz9jn5q]

It is just theoretical comparison, i7 2-3 generation or fx 8350 are cost 40-50 now, who cares old i3 and 6300?

[@andrescarrasco1248]

As 90% of times Amd ages better, but dumbs keep on shouting bUy IhInTtEeElll

[@steadyuk3198]

try get a FX 8320e or 70e overclocked and compare it to fx 8350 overclocked :)

[@RATechYT]

Performance at the same clock speed would be identical.

[@steadyuk3198]

@@RATechYT oh i have fx 8370e 4ghz and fx 8350 gets bit better performance in cpu z. i have my ram 2133mhz aswell

[@RATechYT]

@@steadyuk3198 That is definitely related to something else. Both have the same silicon, the only difference is in clock speeds.

[@steadyuk3198]

@@RATechYT ok weird. probably cos the stock fx 8350 has 4.2ghz boost so that is probably it.

[@steadyuk3198]

@@RATechYT ah im a fool i had stuff that was using cpu in background like msi afterburner and stuff like that, i didnt know it would chop points off my score lmao.

[@Shantao100]

без толку что вы разогнали hypertransport на 2.600, а CPU NB всего лишь 2200!!!Разгон не о чем !!!CPU nb нужно 2600-2800! Озу ddr3 2133-2400!! Вот это разгон будет!!!

[@RATechYT]

That was the limit, Vitaly.

[@ABaumstumpf]

Kinda sad seeing the AMD 3-core being just slightly faster than the cheaper and less powerhungry 2-core i3.

[@me_and_me_]

A place like this comparing two museum pieces like this means only one thing, or this is some weird sexual hardware fetiche channel, or this is a homeless guy that found those pieces in a trash dumpster, or a recycling center before they were ready to be disposed, and it will have the same fate of the FX CPU'S, that is the total oblivion! For christ sake let's go back to 2012 when i took my FX chip and compare them properly at least, the intel competitor has 2 cores only, wich make it more plausible to compare it with an "2011" FX-4100 bulldozer chip, or the FX 4300, but not the FX 6300, that was brought to compete with the i5's and not the i3's!!!!

[@RATechYT]

They both released in 2012, and you could build a PC using either of these processors for an identical price. You don't compare the cylinder count or the amount of horsepower different cars have when you want to buy one. You look at the price.

[@me_and_me_]

@@RATechYT amd made it cheaper after, because the cpu performance in general was awful, they even changed the cpu metal box to a paperboard one. And it isn't a car, it's a computing chip that get's outdated every 2 years or so! They also released the FX 8370 in 2014, but if you look in the processor heatspreader, you'll see the real date of the cpu chip, that it is 2011: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoquhJaHaMyhaKs

[@me_and_me_]

@@RATechYT you don't see an pentium 3 running in the roads of windows 10!!!!! Wich is terrible by the way, filled with holes, terribely paved, filled with bugs, crashes and etc....

[@RATechYT]

​@@me_and_me_ That's right, first AMD released Bulldozer (2011), then they improved things with Piledriver (2012) by lowering the price and increasing clock speeds. Why would I use an older CPU for this comparison? I'd understand your argument if I used an i3-2120 since it released in 2011, but that's not the case here. The Ryzen 5 3400G got launched in 2019, though it says 2016 on the IHS, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.

[@me_and_me_]

@@RATechYT prove what? what do i have to prove? the cpu was so bad that it almost took the manufacturer to complete bankruptcy, they got sued because of this FX disaster, and they lost, what exactly do i need to prove here? From 2011 to 2017 they got stuck on a 32 nm chip! Where the heck do you live? And why are you speaking english, to who speak english in US, UK and so on?