Why AMD's FX CPUs Were Hated So Much? - The Fate of Bulldozer

[@RATechYT]

CORRECTION: At 6:01 what I said is a mistake, an FX processor (Piledriver) has to be around 300-400 MHz higher to be on par with Phenom II in terms of IPC. Sorry about that. Also the last few seconds of the video got muted since I got a copyright claim and had to remove the music. What I said was: "..will finally help AMD bring back the performance crown." The video was re-uploaded due to a copyright claim. Thanks for watching! You can support my work here: www.buymeacoffee.com/ratechyt discord.gg/PFb9cMstZH ▪ instagram.com/ratechyt ▪ twitter.com/ratechyt ▪ facebook.com/ratechyt

[@morpheus_9]

A fucking copyright claim?? Seriously???

[@demoncloud6147]

Who was that copyright claimer, is it Linus ?

[@RATechYT]

For those of you interested, here's the clip I got a copyright claim for: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXLVqZakpb2Gqqc

[@cavemantero]

@@RATechYT for the Hitler meme? That should be fair use by now. F YT.

[@rattlehead999]

The main thing that screwed over bulldozer was Global Foundry. 32nm was supposed to be out in 2009, and they promised AMD that they'd be able to get 2 billion transistors for the 8 core FX Bulldozer CPU instead of the 1.2 billion they got at the same power and slightly lower frequency. Bulldozer could have easily had more execution units per core/module, like 4x 128 bit FPUs instead of 2x 128 bit FPUs and 1x extra ALU per core(2x per module) at 2.0 billion transistors for the fx 8150.

[@vicrattlehead3462]

Love the pfp

[@elecman748]

2 Billion transistors for 2009????? What was AMD thinking? Intel barely managed 731 million with Bloomfield

[@rattlehead999]

@@elecman748 They were aiming for 2 billion for the 8 core and 1 billion for the quad core and Global Foundry until 2010 lied to them that it would be possible, which is why FX CPUs were delayed by 1 year.

[@elecman748]

@@rattlehead999 I can understand that they were aiming to that number. What I can't understand is how they expect to achieve that goal, like, at least someone stopped for a second to think and ask the team if it is even possible, not even the Moore's law can hit those expectations

[@rattlehead999]

@@elecman748 Intel hit 1.7 billion transistors in 2006 with their itanium dual core on 90nm, so 2 billion on 32nm isn't that unbelieveable, if it was intel's 32nm that is. As it turned out Global Foundry's 32nm was terrible, as have been all their process nodes relative to Intel, TSMC and Samsung since AMD sold them. Keep in mind an 8 core FX CPU with 2 billion transistors would have been at least 400$, not 200$ Edit: Search: "AMD Realizes That Bulldozer Has 800 Million LESS Transistors Than It Thought!" Intel hit 2.27 billion transistors on 32nm with the core i7 3960x.

[@josemendezfr]

AMD took a decade to deliver the "Best Performing CPU Ever" the R9 3950x and goddamn did they deliver.

[@mikeking5834]

@LOoOn ARTs Honestly it's close enough that it's like arguing that a car that wins in a drag race by a tenth of a second or so (about that 2-5% gaming performance give or take) but then the "slower" car then absolutely destroys it at everything else. Skidpad, braking, top speed, price, etc. Like the Veryon for 1.5mil or the Tesla Roadster for $250k that'll do everything better but be about 20mph slower in the top speed.

[@blackknight50277621]

LOoOn ARTs is that it? Is that your argument?! You should be ashamed of yourself for typing that shit

[@yummyramen2821]

@LOoOn ARTs for 5 fps less in gaming that wont even affect my gameplay because it is still more than 60fps and a cpu that wrecks a more expensive cpu in terms of productivity , i would take AMD any day.

[@vaelfonia]

Hell yes they did! Finally giving a big “fuck you” to Intel for my gaming rig and getting a Ryzen 5 2600 (only due to budget restraints otherwise the 3000 series would be making an appearance).

[@rustedyoda7339]

@@mikeking5834 sure they are close, but a R9 3950x is 2,000$ an i9 9900k is 500-600$ intel still holds the high end and mid range gaming builds. amd doesn't have anything that can perform on par with ether the i5 9400f (mid range) or the i9 9900k (high end) for the same price. sure if you stream/video edit or render stuff a 3600 is a better choice. but it's also 50$ more then an i5 9400f (150$ vs 200-210$) and isn't faster in games. ALSO ryzen CPU's love higher speed ram. a 3600 on 2400mhz vs a i5 9400f on the same speed is much slower for games, im talking 5-10% . you need atleast 3000mhz to match performance (so you save a bit on ram speed if you want as intel hardly sees any gain past 2666mhz) AMD has some good options, but if you only play games(like basically everyone other then the vocal minority) . intel has the best deals on mid and high end. amd is still budget king no cap.

[@AggressiveHiDef]

The AMD FX Piledriver series kept 1,000's of PC Gamers gaming for an affordable price tag. They may not have been super fast, but they were the best in price / performance for the budget gamer. And while AMD was keeping it together, they were preparing ZEN.

[@hojnikb]

fx was not affordable when it came out. it was priced against i7s and i5s, which were much faster, gaming wise. Once fx cpus started dropping in price, i3s were already good enough and better in games, so you could opt for that instead. FX never made sense for game, be that on a budget or a more expensive rig.

[@AggressiveHiDef]

@@hojnikb You do raise valid points. Though, I have to disagree with some. The FX Piledriver CPU's did well enough in PC Gaming especially with its attractive price/performance ratio. They also overclocked well. They also cost a lot cheaper. The key to most people getting the AMD FX CPU's was the higher end motherboards were affordable compared to Intel's more expensive motherboards. And AMD stuck with the same socket for a long while.

[@samghost13]

Dr. LISA SUE

[@theEskalaator]

When Bulldozer launched my friend bought some FX-6xxx, while I bought an i5. I still have no problem using this PC after many years, but my friend had to upgrade. So yes, it was cheaper, but in long term I payed less.

[@AggressiveHiDef]

@@theEskalaator If your friend bought the FX-8350 and or the FX-8320 he would still be using it. Anyhow Intel's Core design was great and still widely used despite now being older. But Intel processors do have major vulnerability issues though. So keep that in mind. Only a new CPU Micro Architecture will fix these security vulnerabilities. As a note, AMD's Ryzen CPUs don't suffer from these 250+ vulnerabilities Intel suffers from.

[@iHempus]

I built 3 computers from FX processor. All three are still in use.

[@jasongooden917]

ive built 2, both still in use, a 8350 and a 9590

[@GewelReal]

I build 7 computers all with Intel in them. They also run same as new to this day after almost 10 years on the oldest. Checkmate -AMD- FX fanboys /s

[@iHempus]

@@GewelReal How much did they cost? THAT is the question.

[@GewelReal]

@@iHempus 1 was i3, 2 were i5 and rest was i7 (starting with 920 and ending with 8700K)

[@iHempus]

@@GewelReal FX-4100; FX-8320; FX-8350. I know right? I use the 8350 with a 980ti and it is more than I need for the A/V purposes I use it for like watching live TV, etc. All with different versions of the Gigabyte 990FX UD series MB. I have a Ryzen all built for the guy with the FX-4100 and he is like nah I don't need it yet.

[@PARAGBD420]

failure is the pillar of success.........

[@stefanogrillo6040]

lol

[@FilaMan74]

@@stefanogrillo6040 What's funny here?

[@stefanogrillo6040]

@@FilaMan74 clear reference to Caterpillar (aka amd bulldozer, excavator, etc)

[@kingofg00nz]

Well said.

[@bilalmalik5002]

All Ryzen Generations approve of FX's sacrifices.

[@ErnestJay88]

From fail-dozer to Ryzen 3000 series that's literally kill intel, such as improvement.

[@frgeneralnation8759]

[Pumped Up Kicks playing in the distance]

[@keagan5379]

Smug Anime Girl that’s not the right analogy for this 😂

[@bilalmalik5002]

@@keagan5379 It works well enough... But yea I see what I mean

[@GewelReal]

Then Zen 3 came out...

[@monkeslayer-km5ho]

Always support the good guy

[@DaxtonAnderson]

I still have my FX 8350 from 2013 running at 5.0Ghz on water, I upgraded to Ryzen but the GF wanted to get into gaming so she adopted the FX CPU >:)

[@DeadNoob451]

oh oh 6 year old water cooling ?

[@DaxtonAnderson]

@@DeadNoob451 Nah, just an AIO I upgraded from last year

[@DaxtonAnderson]

@@devnull436 can confirm lol, I live in Canada and even at -30c outside this thing will heat up a room 😂

[@Brato1986]

What aio did you use?

[@DaxtonAnderson]

@@Brato1986 coolermaster Master liquid lite 120mm

[@expfighter5112]

love my amd FX processors, my first was the 4130, gamed with it for 5 years, then I upgraded in Sep 2019 to the 8350 and love the hell out of it without replacing the MB!

[@bezbotek]

Exactly. I replaced single core AMD Sempron by quad core AMD FX4300 and then by eight core AMD8320, all of them in the same mainboard.

[@zybch]

You forgot about the Windows task scheduler problem. It required a dedicated non-MS CPU driver that would schedule instruction delivery to each bulldozer core rather than to bulldozer modules. Having windows send around half the instructions to the processor than it was able to handle really hurt performance.

[@m8x425]

we've come full circle with Windows giving AMD processors grief

[@RandoWisLuL]

Hot fixes came out for it in the later years of windows 7 and by the time windows 8 came out, the problem is gone. Performance has only improved with windows 10

[@billsmith3042]

I built an fx 6100 system almost 7 years ago and only just built a new system last month. Only upgrades I made were several new video cards and going from 8-16 gb of ram. I was able to play WoW on high settings, have never had a problem. Still using that system now as my office/treadmill PC for 4k ulktra walking videos. Very happy with the usage I have gotten from this CPU.

[@ProphetPX]

audio suddenly cuts out in the last 1 minute of this video :(

[@resignator]

I just recently upgraded to Ryzen from a 8350. I was hitting 60FPS on RDR2 with a 1060 strix with that old ass CPU overclock to 4.4G. Never did understand the hate. I mean I wouldnt recommend one NOW in 2019 but...8 years on the same OCed CPU and no troubles. If I could time travel I would make the same exact purchase again.

[@phillipscards]

I was using an FX8350 in my rig until a few days ago when I upgraded to a Ryzen 5 2600. My fx8350 rig was super fast even at stock speeds! I am using it for a second gaming computer for my girlfriend to use.

[@sithioth]

yeah people highly underestimate the 8350, it ran all my games well! even the new ones just fine! i just replaced my fx8350 with a 3800x just 2 days ago! the thing is insane!! i benchmarked it and it beat the i9-9900k! i was a bit surprised.

[@jaanu2222]

@@sithioth well my 2 friend got opposite results on that they both have 8350 @ 4.2 ghz and their games suffers like crazy with 30 fps at max and their games stutters like hell we all have same gpu r9 270x , btw i still have an fx 8150 and my pc ran games far better than them for ex the witcher 3 : i had 46~48 fps on avg with all setting on high without stutters , while they had 26fps on avg with stutters same for far cry 4 : i had 55 fps avg with high+ultra + med settings mix , and they had 30fps Rise of the tombraider : i had 38 avg on medium+high settings , on their system it was unplayable. my problem with this chips that during productivity tasks (specially using unity and premier pro) , it is slow as hell and i have to wait on everything to process it's just sucks

[@1986tbirdwilly]

@@jaanu2222 The 270x really suffers in newer games. Something like a GTX 970 or RX580 really springs new life into FX machines. Night and day difference going from a 2gb HD 7870 to a 8gb rx 480.

[@jaanu2222]

@@1986tbirdwilly i agree but it'll be huge performance drop still, cause 970 is still a beast card anyone who owns it and wanna play 1080p games there's no need to dump it for atleast in upcoming 2 years , i am using FX since 2013 and still using it cause i got no money to upgrade and as compared to windows 7 it runs lot better on windows 10 plus little tweaks from my sides makes it run better than others FX 83XX series

[@DeadNoob451]

@@jaanu2222 Only the scam 3.5 gb VRAM on the 970 is annoying since texture sizes are getting so big you need to play on medium texture settings these days. I would recommend a 580 8gb over it.

[@samghost13]

The Faildozer! Ryzen has let me forget that. I was sticking to my Phenom until Ryzen! From Intel to Athlon to Phenom and now the best CPU's "Ryzen" ! AMD Rock's!!!

[@davidcobra1735]

Pretty much exactly the same story for me.

[@ShiroCh_ID]

For me is from Pentium 3 to athlon II x2 and now its Ryzen 3 zen+ gen Pentium 3 is my pc when i just 7 years old and athlon is my pc when i 14 years old now im 17 years and Ryzen is the best

[@Drprathamchess]

Me celeron 433mhz to core 2 duo e7300 to core 2 quad q9550

[@84Actionjack]

I loved my 8350. Bought it when it first came out and just switched to Ryzen the beginning of the year.

[@ICCUWANSIUT]

84Actionjack oof, rip since zen 2 came out not too soon after lol.

[@84Actionjack]

@@ICCUWANSIUT Marginal difference, no?

[@ICCUWANSIUT]

84Actionjack zen 2 is 15% faster lmao, not really marginal. The difference between zen and zen+ is marginal though.

[@84Actionjack]

@@ICCUWANSIUT I hear you, but 15 percent is not worth the price of an upgrade to me especially after so many years with FX CPUs. Then again, I don't game so there's that; although I wish to.

[@ICCUWANSIUT]

Gray Au right. I never said in gaming. Though quad cores are bottlenecking GPUs due to performance problems, you can’t lie.

[@MrRecorder1]

Bulldozer was actually quite a good deal for me. Gaming is not the most important thing in the world for me, compiling source code is. And with the fx-6300 I got quite a powerful machine when money was a bit tight. It was and still somewhat is (writing from that old machine) a very nice CPU.

[@redriverscout4404]

One factor that might have been in AMD's decision making process at the time is they may not have expected game studios to keep making single threaded games a decade after the introduction of multi core cpus. I still use a desktop with an FX 4100 and for what I use it for I am still quite happy..

[@AmyLovesYou]

So sad how pretty much every game I love and play to this very day is single core. It's the reason I said goodbye to AMD. I can barely remember a single moment in the last 15 years having faster multi threading even made any fucking difference. The slower single core performance has been very overwhelming, dropping major frames in everything I do.

[@AK-ny5bz]

I have had Athlon and Phenom based PC and Now have a PC based on FX 6300 which i assembled in 2014-2015, and am still very much satisfied.

[@Sybertek]

Your last words got cut off at the end. Nice synopsis. I recently got into PC building and I didn't know much about this generation of CPUs. Thanks.

[@dro4875]

im using FX 8320 and games still running on ultra/high :)

[@lilwater8499]

Yeah csgo

[@ShadowOfNexxus]

I second that with my 1080 Ti

[@CFWhitman]

I got an FX8120 shortly after they were released and I never had any big regrets about it. It had a very good price/performance ratio when I picked it up (significantly better than that of the 8150). The bottom line was that is was cheap and I used it until Ryzen chips came out (actually I still use it on my secondary desktop in the cellar). Also, I run Linux primarily, and its performance in Linux was comparitively better than it was in Windows thanks to much more Linux software at that time being multi-core friendly. Was Bulldozer a great chip? No, but it was good bang for the buck, especially when you bought the next to highest clocked processor.

[@samghost13]

Ryzen was the biggest hype i have ever seen! But it delivered and for now you can't buy anything else than Ryzen!

[@prakharm.216]

Was using an i3 3220 for a long time and it was so bad that it even bottlenecked my gt 1030, got an fx 8320e wita a motherboard and boom its such an amazing processor and now all the hitches and stutters i faced are gone. Those 8 cores do help a lot

[@geoffhalsey2184]

I've no complaints with my 8370. Really good on virtualization, still running after nearly 5 years with no issues. When I've got the money I'll get a Ryzen rig, but if the CPU blew tomorrow I'd just buy another.

[@dexthegamer3234]

wait, there were FX CPU comics????? bruh

[@Kcducttaper1]

I'm watching this on an FX 8350 overclocked to 4.5 GHz - upgraded from my Phenom ii 1100t overclocked to 4.0 (both on air). In the games I play (The Crew, FH3, etc...) the FX is a decent bit faster than the Phenom allowing me 60 fps locked at 1080p high settings. The 1100t was averaging high 40's/low 50's. Definitely an upgrade for me at least.

[@Reyfox1]

I bypassed the Bulldozer CPU. I kept my Thuban 1090T. When Piledriver was released, I bought the FX8350 and overclocked it. It's still going strong in my wife's PC.

[@hawksnake3372]

I ran an FX-6300 at 4.6ghz for years. Its tuned back to 4.4ghz now and its retired from gaming to run my NAS and NVR. Still pretty darn snappy.

[@ficklefingeroffate]

I'm still running a computer with an FX-8350 and a GTX-970. Runs modern triple-A titles just fine.

[@cyberloner]

My fx8350 is still my main cpu since winxp... then win 7 and now win 10... and I'm gaming apex legend with it. ... :D

[@TheMadHaxor]

Same til a few months ago, coupled with a R9 290x OC windforce. Great gaming experience tbf, Only upgraded to a 2950xTR due to workflow

[@johncate9541]

It's better now than it was in 2013. More software, especially games, are coded to take advantage of the threads. AMD helped itself when it won the console deals and game devs HAD to code to run those eight-core APUs in the consoles.

[@TheMadHaxor]

@@johncate9541 Excellent point about the console contracts. Hadn't thought about that.

[@ComfyShortz]

I retired mine to the closet a few months ago for a new Ryzen 3600 machine I built. Such a massive difference im getting 2-3x the framerate in most titles.

[@Trick-Framed]

@@TheMadHaxor if you hadn't thought about that, this will blow your mind. Next gen consoles will have Zen2 with full AVX 2 instructions. Going forward, anything that can't run AVX 2 at full speed will become obsolete for new games.

[@quakeIVreal]

my main gaming rig was running off of an FX-6300 for a while, that thing PUT OUT dude! like, it could run games, pretty well too! why do people hate it?

[@kevinedward6132]

I feel that they failed because software developers followed intels 2 core 4 thread horseshit for a decade instead of pushing innovation they pushed stagnation, why else would these FX chips perform ok today in games that finally use the cores?

[@vontar1]

i build one FX 8350 and it is still in use. i recently switched my Main PC to a 3900x

[@HelloWorld-lg1pz]

still using my 8350 with a sabertooth 990 r2.0. upgraded gpus and storage drives/fans/case over the years. cpu/mobo still running strong as ever.

[@zeroangelmk1]

I was considering upgrading to an FX-8350 from a Phenom II, but man am I ever glad I waited for Ryzen.

[@BalancedSpirit79]

A couple of years ago a friend gave me an old FX platform that he didn't want anymore (motherboard, CPU and RAM) and it had a 4100. The highest CPU the mobo could handle was an 8370, so I decided to get it since I was able to get a good deal; it was only $150 and it came with a Wraith cooler. For the price, it's honestly not that bad. I still marvel at the sick OCs I've seen from people that got the 9590.

[@hkoizumi3134]

I find it funny that FX CPU is regarded as ridiculed one and yet for those that owned it were extremely happy with it for many years.

[@greggv8]

I upgraded from a dual core Phenom II unlocked to quad core, to an FX 6300. Higher clock speed and more threads yet all the many benchmarks I ran on both CPUs only show around 10 to 15 percent better performance, and slightly *worse* on most single thread benchmarks. I'd have to overclock just to meet the single thread performance of the much older CPU. The FX does quite a bit better at H264 video encoding but on an H265 encoding test it went from a super slow 17 FPS to a super slow 18 FPS. The one thing I was hoping for some decent improvement was the one thing it essentialy had precisely the same (lack of) performance at. So I bought a nVidia 1050 GPU and use that for H265 encoding at way higher than realtime speed. I can get a little better quality to compaction doing software encoding with the CPU, but at the cost of taking much longer than the runtime of a video compared to the fraction of the video's runtime the GPU can do.

[@DragonlordXV]

i had an fx 6100 during 7 years , never had problem with it exept getting old ,i played almost everything with it, dead space 2and 3, battlefield 3, crysis 2 and 3,call of duty moderne warfare 1,2,3 , black ops ,Arma ..... now i have a RYZEN3 3200g .

[@michaelvasquez7656]

My 3rd gaming pc I built was an FX 8350 with a r9 280x and it was a great pc. I played most titles with good performance. even managed 40 FPS is rust at 1080p lol. I game on a Ryzen 5 2600 now and I'm a very happy gamer

[@Grnfinger]

Been rocking a 8350 @ 4.5GHz for 4 years and it still smashes whatever I toss as it. Just bought the 2600X and it's night and day in speed .... Still use the 8350 daily it's a decent chip

[@Da40kOrks]

I'm still using my Phenom II 940 as my main pc. Combined with an RX460 it works for me.

[@junkiexl86]

It's only weird if it doesn't work

[@KingKong-mp6gj]

I run a Phenom II 1055T and recently upgraded the graphics card from an HD5850 (1 gig of memory just didn't cut it anymore) to an 8gig RX570 for cheap. Loading times can be a bit long sometimes but otherwise i'm pretty happy with it. For Honor runs smooth on highest settings.

[@davidcobra1735]

Phenom II 710 and 650ti here. But it's really time for an upgrade...

[@icalexander]

My FX6300 machine with an R9 280x 8 GB of RAM and an overclock to 4.5Ghz still runs everything. Still a great CPU

[@therealcat5794]

yes the fx 6300 is such a blast to overclock

[@davidbrandenburg8029]

I love my fx8350's cpus, both run at 4.6 ghz on all cores all the time with no problems.

[@sasatodorovic9056]

2012-2018 good 6 yeas of using FX now i'm on 8700k :)

[@modular_kellogs8023]

My last "gaming" pc used the phenom II 955 black edition, now i run a FX-6300 at 4gh with an older R9 270. Not too bad for 75 bucks.

[@CsabyC]

I'm also running an FX 8350, bought it in 2014. Seems fine so far.

[@ramiretz]

Using a FX-4300 and i am still ok with it :-) back in the days i was working at a computer store and building PCs . AMD wasn't the fastest at this time but had very good prices so a lot of people was able to buy/build cheaper gaming PCs

[@tiloraber627]

I had the FX 8350. Later i had a bit more money left so i bought an i7 4790 K. This step brought hereinafter an overall advantage of maybe 10% performance. I use this CPU til today. Hereinafter, for my demand, i had to keep the FX! I think he would still serve me well today.

[@selohcin]

Are you kidding me? I upgraded from an FX-8350 to an i7 6700K and my frame rates increased by 80%! It was like night and day.

[@tiloraber627]

@@selohcin I allow myself 10-20% to compare the tail, but 80%, impossible! Maybe you forgot to mention that you also bought a new GPU!

[@oglack6137]

A funny little chip, got higher FPS in BFV than I did in BF:1 than I did in BF:4 I remember kind of regretting my purchase when I first got it but in the end I was glad because it was an interesting ride and it played modern titles a lot better than a 2nd gen i3 would have

[@oglack6137]

@Neo Francois I just mean at a similar price point in 2012 when I bought the system an i3 probably would have been better for playing games at the time, but would have aged a lot worse

[@thorstenbrandes4050]

Still got my watercooled Gigabyte UD7 and an 8320 on the shelf. They were perfectly fine 'til i upgraded to a Ryzen at the beginning of this year. The funny part is that i got the feeling that it got faster in the last few years... I never had a CPU that lasted this long without any problems at all (same with the mainboard). So it might not have been the fastest chip, but it is something i really like. It's a reliable chip that simply works without having to delid the CPU or comparing benchmarks all the time. Later on i might rebuild the system again. It would still be more than enough for a lot of tasks (even gaming).

[@paulsad7624]

It got faster cose games started using more cores

[@hojnikb]

@@paulsad7624 Not really. Bulldozer was tricky, as it didnt have 8 real cores, it was more 4 cores and a very sophisticated hyperthreading. If games were coded to avoid certain quirks of the architecture and didnt rely heavily on single core for certain tasks, it was decent enough. It really "shines" in vulkan titles, as these games have less gpu api related overhead.

[@paulsad7624]

@@hojnikb Games were fully using 2 cores and Fx got bad performence per one core but it Has 4, Also new games started using Threads and Fx got 4 of it Also Fx can get high Ghz from Overclocking

[@jokerzwild00]

Great video! I've been buying and benchmarking PC hardware for 20 years, and I can say that this is a very accurate account of the situation. It has been nice seeing AMD making their recent comeback, but it was dark days for a very, very long time. I was a hardcore AMD guy for years, I was even a moderator on an AMD fansite in the 00s. With the release of the Core2 though you had to be an idiot to stick with AMD if you didn't have to. Then again Sandy Bridge was another killer architecture that just knocked AMD right out of the game. SB was so powerful that it was a viable platform for many years after release. This all contributed to Intel's complacency though, and allowed AMD to shine once again with the Ryzen lineup. Thank you for the content, good stuff!

[@RATechYT]

Thank you!

[@RidwanNurzeha]

wow. I am AMD guy since Duron

[@johnnyverse257]

My computer was built at 2011, it uses an amd fx 6100, today it still works

[@ToxicReflexs]

In April my intel rig (i7 4790k) let go and melted my gpu, burned a hole right through. I didnt feel like testing everything to see what still worked at the time so I grabbed a spare machine I had built a while ago with an fx-8320. Hardly notice a difference in day to day things and games run just fine still. Dont feel a need to upgrade right now, at least with intel. The new ryzens look amazing though, probably going to go amd again

[@AvroBellow]

My FX-8350 lasted me from 2012 to 2017 and only cost me $170CAD WITH COOLER! It could also handle any game smoothly. It may not have been "GOOD", but it was "GOOD ENOUGH"!. Find me a CPU today that costs under $200CAD and will game well for five years. My FX-8350 is now chugging along with W10 in my mining rig because the 990FX motherboard has 4 PCI-Express v2.0. Two of them are x16 and two are x8. Good enough for minig for sure!

[@TheTeeroy32]

The first computer I built, my second PC was a FX-6100 with a 560 GTX I built for $600 Aus with 8Gb of ram to play BF3. I loved it, still have the combo now, has been dormant for a few years but the 560 is about to go into my daughter's PC which is my wife's old FX-6300. The FX-6100 will be teamed with an old HD6670 to be a game server. After a year owning the 6100 I slapped on a 240mm aio, pumped it to 4.5Ghz and teamed it with a 680gtx. That played BF3 80 to 100 fps 1080 ultra and and BF4 60 to 80 fps 1080 ultra. Was going to upgrade to a FX 8350 but wanted a m-itx system so I went a i5-4690k which I only changed in August to a R5-2600.

[@sergeantseven4240]

My old rig still has a phenom x4 940. My newest rig which is 4 years old now has the FX8350. I haven't really felt the need to upgrade or spend the money on Intel and I'm glad I waited. My next build will be AMD again but I'm waiting for the prices to go down a little and for all the early adopter woes to be ironed out. I've never understood the need to be at the cutting edge of the processor race. Just sit back and make do with an older gen processor and upgrade once the newest ones become older. I'm not really a competitive gamer though, I use my rigs mostly for 3D CAD and programming.

[@scott7410]

My first self built PC was with an 8350. I just updated it recently to a 3900x :D

[@KingKong-mp6gj]

When talking about Bulldozer, people also shouldn't forget the horrendous power draw of these chips. Combine this with a pre-Navi Radeon and you have a nice room heater, easily taking 200 watts more from the PSU than a comparable Intel/nVidia machine. The FX-Line really was AMD's Pentium4.

[@jmugurr994]

LOL at the news article at 5:10 That doesn't look like a bulldozer to me.

[@AgentSmith911]

I actually game on 1440P with an FX-8350 and a 1070 lol

[@tristianwarren3067]

1070 is way you can game at 1440p higher resolution doesn't affect the CPU

[@josephteruel7492]

@@tristianwarren3067 I have a FX-8370 and a RX 580 and i can play PUBG on high settings with 60-90 fps.

[@DCobra98]

I've gamed at 2160P with FX-8350 and dual GTX 970's. That was after using that setup to run 3 monitors at 5760x1080 for several years.

[@RidwanNurzeha]

Did 8350 bottleneck the GPU?

[@AgentSmith911]

@@RidwanNurzeha It does, but at 1440P it's less of a bottleneck than I had with my previous 1080p monitor

[@wujekcientariposta]

fx 8320 @ 4.7 here, runs everything just fine. Sure I don't get a 100 fps in modern titles but everything is playable just fine.

[@classicallpvault]

I ran an FX-8350 in a music production PC that cost 450 euros to assemble, and it offered way better performance than my mate's i5 Mac Mini. Was a pretty damn good CPU for workloads. Music production does take maximum advantage of hyperthreading tho.

[@Janken_Pro]

Conservative Skeptic are you by any chance Australian? Just curious

[@classicallpvault]

@@Janken_Pro They don't have the euro in Australia, lol :)

[@davebuts1921]

My first real PC was an FX 8350, it was a beast back in the day when the software could catch up with it. Still got it as my second gaming PC, that said I still have an AMD Phenom x3 720 as my music server, I guess in a few year's time, that is where my FX 8350 will be when I update my R7 3800X.

[@Coldsteak]

is it just me or did the audio cut out at the final sentence of the video?

[@wolfwalker78]

I bought an 8350, and later a 9590 just because I could, and they were fan-freakin-tastic. In actual average daily/gaming use. In gaming I was, as most people, GPU limited, the FX was MORE than enough when your 290x couldn't keep up. I still have a 9590 in use at work serving the heck out of files and software and running a VM or two. The hate from Intel guys was unreal back then. After awhile I bought an 4790K(used), which was faster, on paper, but functionally the same as the 8350. This was for gaming, crysis, far cry, etc, running a couple chromes with many dozens of tabs, a VM, the usual crap. I was thrilled to get back to AMD with a 2700x last year and as usual, I'm GPU limited with a GTX1080, and everything not gaming, it's utterly fine. I get spec racing and all that, but the hate AMD FX era stuff received made it for sure that I will always buy AMD when it's even remotely "good enough". It amuses the hell out of me to see the newer Ryzen stuff competing with Intel not just on the real daily use field, but in benchmarks as well. I got into PC's in the Socket 7 days, or even in the Pentium Overdrive/5x86 stuff era really. AMD has always served me well, and Intel are a bunch of dickbags from a corporate business standpoint. I buy Intel stuff used, and AMD stuff new.

[@MrNihilist74]

I still have an amd fx 8350. Only thing I hate about it is the turbo mode where the cpu cooler makes a lot of noise and overheats unless you have software to lower the voltage.

[@eveangreen1871]

wow that AMD ad is actually very cool

[@gecsus]

I am using my FX 8370 still and have been pretty happy with it. I am looking forward to installing an upgrade to the R9 3900x in the near future and will keep the 8370 in a back-up system. I expect it will run for many more years. I still have a Phenom 965 Black from about 14 years ago and an AMD 64 from about 20 years ago. All work perfectly. For the money, I have always found AMD to be a good value. They didn't always come through as they should have, but I was loyal and helped keep them funded believing they would once again jump forward. And so they have with Rysen.

[@Tainted79]

I bought an FX8320 back in 2013 for $110 on sale. It was $130 cheaper than an I5 3570k ($240) at the time. So 55% cheaper for 45% worse performance in single core. And similar performance at multi threaded applications. The 8 cores really did make it last longer. Also Am3+ motherboards were cheaper than Intel counter parts. It was a great budget build for the time that lasted me 7 years and could last me another 3. Finally, I and many others are still using it to this day and it plays 99% of games at 60fps 1080p high- ultra. Don't know many people using old Intel I5's 2500k/3570k in 2020 most moved on to new CPU's. Which I'll probably do as well when Zen 3 launches. Got my eye on a 4600 or 4700.

[@bertnijhof5413]

I used my Phenom II X4 B97 (4 x 3.2GHz) in my 2008 HP dc5850 (AM2+, DDR2 & PCIe 2.0) till May 2019 :) I upgraded because using ZFS and Virtualbox VMs I wanted to use more than the max 8 GB of the HP. I've upgraded to a Ryzen 3 2200G and 16 GB, that was twice the size and almost twice as fast :)

[@TobyCatVA]

Watching this in 2023 on my FX-4150 based system. My FX 4150 paired with a GTX970 GPU has never given me an issue and only in the last month have I run into things I wanted to play that I can't run with full HD graphics.

[@Anlushac11]

My home PC is a FX 8320. With a Corsair HX100 water cooling and a Asus ROG Mobo it ran well at 4.5GHz til the water-cooler pump died. Now it puts along at about 3.7GHz

[@princejeromegersan839]

I built a total of 3 FX Processor based PC 2 piledrivers and 1 bulldozer and still using it on esports gaming today. No problem and also support all modern games CPU instructions.

[@VaingloriousVagabond]

I started with a used phenom ii 965(65$) at around +/-2007, used it for about 4 years then went to a used 1100t (175$) for about 6 years ran that then about 2 or 3 years ago bought a used fx8350 (50$) for a small upgrade Last year i bought a new 7700k for about 350 or 400$ but i never got it to post..( i think its the motherboard but it was new too) so now im gonna go for a 3900x/3950x and be good for hopefully another 10 years going from an 8 core to 12/24t or 16/32t should satisfy me for a goooood while. I always wanted an intel back in the day because they were performance king but it made more sense in my budget to keep putting used amd cpus into my am3+ motherboard. the choice was usually ~50$-200$ for an upgrade to amd or replace motherboard and i think ram too with cpu for well over 500$. making very little money in highschool the choice was clear to me at the time as i didnt get allowances or anything like that. some of the cpus i have are well over 12 years old and still run fine and i overclocked them and ran them nearly 24/7. i got a used golden 555 that overclocked to 4ghz+(i wanna say 4.2) on 4 cores (2 unlocked) but i sold it in a build kinda regret it but its outdated at this point. I hoard my pc parts :3

[@hansmaker1236]

The Bulldozer was a good deal in that time. Oc was easy and in winter you could warm up your room just using your pc. I sold all my fx computer and bought a 2700x when it came out. Back in time, my first amd cpu has been a amd k5 300mhz.

[@hansmaker1236]

@Dalle Smalhals right. It has been a k6

[@m8x425]

I remember waking up early on the morning of Oct 12 2011 to read the benchmarks and then feeling like I had been slugged in the gut after reading the first round of benchmarks at anandtech. Then I went from site to site and the benchmarks said the same thing. The 1100t beating the FX-8150 in most benchmarks and seeing the weak single threaded performance of the FX processors. Out of all the release day benchmarks I have read, the FX processors are by far the most disappointing to see. 2nd place for disappointment is the RTX 2080ti benchmarks. My fear was Intel charging and arm and a leg for their upcoming processors which did and didn’t come to pass. I figured they would have raised the price of a mainstream i7 to $500, but instead we were given quad-cores for years.

[@HappyDaClown187]

Just bought a fx 8350 with motherboard and ram also a coolermaster cooler for $80 bucks yesterday. I plan to pair it with a 1060 6gb and sell it as a budget gaming pc.

[@warrenpuckett4203]

I chose the 8350 for 2 reasons 1. It was good enough 2. It worked on my old 890fx motherboard. With intel the motherboard usually only works with the processor that originally came with it. The motherboard usually cost a lot more if you do overclock and so does the CPU.

[@patrickcurtis5002]

They were great for OC's and with the correct MB combo and cooling .. very good for the price. I still use 2 8320s with an Asus 970 and a Asrock 990X. I also run a Ryzen X1700 and a Ryzen 7 3700X

[@quakegott]

I had a FX-8320 since release and this CPU really aged good. I upgraded to a Ryzen 9 3900X this year and it should do the work for the next couple of years :)

[@ellsworth1956]

My son just resurrected my old FX6200 CPU. He threw in a GTX570 GPU and is going to use it as a media computer.

[@TheJuggtron]

4 ads in 10 minutes? really?

[@RATechYT]

You can use AdBlock if that bothers you.

[@GewelReal]

@@julatzschmulatz9607 but its literally just a "AMD overhyped a badly designed chip"

[@MrMercurybullet]

@@RATechYT I'm using adblock, still getting the ads. Sorry but internet bandwidth costs me money. I'm not wasting it on ads.

[@zybch]

@@MrMercurybullet Try Ublock Origins. Way better blocker that doesn't take cash from ad agencies to allow some ads through like adblock/plus does unless you delve deep into it settings and turn off the allowed/approved ads 'feature...'

[@naws69]

Most of the ads don't even play. So chill out.

[@thomasandrews4235]

Used an fx6300 for 6years & upgraded to an fx8350 1 year ago ... no issues still going strong

[@woody230uk]

My FX 8320 is still my main cpu for the last 6 years hitting just over 4ghz with a liquid cooler and 16 gb of ram to play with at 1600 mhz I built it with game designing in mine rending 3D models and levels creating audio and applying textures it's still more than capable of running civ 6 or house flipper at mid preset also paired it with a gtx 760 4gb.

[@HelloWorld-lg1pz]

maaan get that ram up to 2100!

[@woody230uk]

@@HelloWorld-lg1pz no point since I plan on upgrading to ryzen

[@HelloWorld-lg1pz]

@@woody230uk well of course but why not get some extra performance..takes 2 seconds in bios geesh

[@woody230uk]

@@HelloWorld-lg1pz never overclocked and the first I played in a bios I blow up the motherboard greatfully the board only cost me £55

[@HelloWorld-lg1pz]

@@woody230uk damn you must have hit the self destruct button

[@josefschuster7657]

One of my PC's is still running an AMD FX 8350 and it works well. Also the price today make them attractive at this time. And yes, I know they want much energy and are getting quite warm...

[@danlightened]

That was an amazing comprehensive video about the history of the last 2 decades of processor rivarly. I haven't seen it summarised better, ever. And I still had the FX 8350 till now, like you. But a recent Mobo short also shorted the CPU. I'm here wondering if it's ok to replace it with something similar from the Athlon 2 or phenom ii line, as my friend has a spare old Athlon 2.

[@friskylime]

I'm using an 8350 without any issues, then again, I have a habit of restricting usage and manually setting core priorities and affinities whenever I run something heavy. It can definitely help with certain tasks.

[@osgeld]

I liked my FX bulldozer, did just fine for several years, was running it until last february, sure it wasnt mind boggling but it did the job for half a decade and it was 1/2 the price of even a similar horsepower intel when I bought it meanwhile Im on a ryzen 7 now and my bulldozer has a nice low stress life as a home computer for a co-worker who isnt overclocking the nuts out of it playing GTA 5

[@thenoseplays2488]

I have multiple FX based PCs that still run great a freaking decade later! Let that sink in. These things run better today than they did on release...and can 'STILL' handle almost any software you can throw at them. They cam still do casual gaming with a decent gfx card installed, can run all the most popular OSs and desktop environments, and do great for a general purpose PC. Are there faster choices out there...of course. But i am flabbergasted these still work as well as they do. If you have one try putting something like Linux Mint on one and see how much more life you can get out of one. Mine all work fine and make a great first PC for kids who want to learn.

[@ViollinneElizabeth]

This is the "failure" before the success. FX might be lacking compared to the Cores from the same era, but the processors kept AMD in the game long enough for them to create Ryzen. The rest is history. Also, the lowly 6300 still packs enough power for 1080p gaming to this day (with easily accomplished OC). It was also quite cheap back in 2013. Considering the price and longevity, it might be one of my best value computer parts purchase ever.

[@RATechYT]

The FX-6300 was indeed a great budget CPU. Going for an i3 up until Skylake would be like shooting yourself in the foot, but of course who ever cared about that.

[@liveyourdreammedia]

i mean in case of holding the OC record, it ain't all that bad. But damn this baby is power hungry and the advertisement was so over the top. Still so much love for this processor series. Still keeping gamers going world wide and probably will for the next few years 😎

[@S.Madman]

The video at 0:58 is for an Athlon CPU comparing to a P3. That Athlon and the FX are completely different. The FX was a beast though and moved me from my P4.

[@BrapBrapDorito]

I’ve been gaming on an FX-8370 + GTX 1060 for 2 years now, and I can confidently say they’ve aged quite well. Given how modern games use more multithreading, the higher core and clock “top of the line” models aren’t a bad value, especially since people basically give away motherboards for them. Now, would I still recommend it if your budget isn’t super tight? No. But they’re definitely better than people think.

[@eddiea3782]

I have an 8300, 8320, 2 8350s, 2 9590s. All served there purpose. Now I'm on Ryzen. What a difference. I have had my fun with them all.

[@ReinForceOne]

I was rocking my Q6600 with a 50% Overclock (3.6 GHz) well past this age, skipped DDR3 entirely and Upgraded to an i7 5820k wiht 32gb of ddr4 back in 2015 after that it has been a ryzen 3950X - and for now AMD seems to be the CPU of choice as teh 3D V-Cache is just that amazing

[@Nine-Signs]

Hated? I'm still using an FX9590, lovely chip.

[@johnclinton7706]

I had an AMD FX black edition back in 2015 and i sware i never had a problem the performance was amazing, I had it paired with a radeon HD 5450 and managed to run games on average 60fps high settings with no lags so god knows what people are saying but mines was perfect

[@Litvagopnik]

So it WAS a hex core, just in dual core clusters? I still run an FX-6300 and it goes unreasonably hard still overclocked

[@drpelliper5818]

my first build was an fx 6300. i was straight out of high school and broke.

[@Potatorq]

Same I had an fx6300 with an radeon hd 7870. It was a good computer until the mobo took a shit. So I upgraded to the i7 4770k. Ill run this to the ground and then Ill go back to AMD.