Ian Rants About Dumb Ammo Purchasing Decisions

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[@mikellwehrer]

I feel like we're watching the sanitized, PG version of an actual drunken rant Ian had the night before.

[@DynamicDurge]

Beautifully said

[@daveb5540]

:)

[@fjcf123]

Pictured Ian going through an "Apocalypse Now" style drunken breakdown in his bedroom. lmao

[@Thy_Boss]

Ian's KZbin comments predictions are charmingly out of date, underestimating how much comments nowadays are about people lazily patting themselves on the back instead of arguing with the video

[@shiftyjesusfish]

When he started recording the bottle was full. When he finished recording the bottle was empty.

[@marlin2996]

The british and pakistani ammo managed to turn the lewis gun into a bolt action

[@evolvedcopper2205]

This is the most well said comment I've seen in weeks 😂

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

Ah yes, the famous WW1 water cooled bolt action machine gun.

[@xoxo2008oxox]

"That is bloody well humor!"

[@generalpatton2910]

@@arkadeepkundu4729 water cooled? thats an air cooling shroud on the lewis!

[@ScottKenny1978]

Impressive. Most impressive.

[@MrEvan312]

Spends all the money on a machinegun and penny-pinches on the ammo: That is a REALLY expensive bolt-action rifle.

[@grantgarrod2232]

If he'd bought a semi-auto rifle, & used the Class III tax stamp money to either buy better quality ammo, or invest in reloading equipment to make his own, he'd be better off. If this was my result of all that time, money, & trouble, I'd be really PO'd & embarrassed.

[@magdump4456]

It seems a lot of rich people are that way. They'll buy nice stuff and run junk through them. My father-in-law is pretty well off and it can afford pretty much anything he wants but yet he still buys generic brand food items at the grocery store which I will never understand. Maybe that's how they become well off or rich, by penny pinching lol

[@MrEvan312]

@@magdump4456 I work in an oil change service place and seriously, the other day this really expensive mustang came through and not only does he go with the cheapest oil he goes way longer in between changes. Sure is a nice car though...

[@TenebrusI07]

@@MrEvan312 Meanwhile i have a 15 year old altima and do full synthetic changes on time and always swap the filter too. Maybe that's why i'm always broke haha. Car runs like the day it was made though.

[@MrEvan312]

@@TenebrusI07 It's really all a cost everyone has to pay at some point, but with good maintenance, you at least run into fewer problems along the way.

[@RockSolitude]

*Ian opens a bottle of alcohol aggressively while looking into the camera* Oh boy, Ian's finally had it.

[@jordandecrevoisier7713]

It's only a product placement :) Hense why he keeps the label in plain sight and drinks from his poored drink not once, not twice but three times. It's a bit like in sitcoms with sodas and cigarettes and alcool.

[@SgtBFGunner]

Has to drink in a 9 minute video. Make sure you watch their video of the tour of the Kyro distillery. Didn't even look like he enjoyed it. Note to Forgotten Weapons... knock it off.

[@herrakaarme]

@@SgtBFGunner Strange. When I watched the video, I thought he liked the tour a lot. It was so thorough as well. Not that I'd ever doubt his work ethic, but it seemed a bit too much to be just for the usual KZbin commercial cooperation (like a KZbinr suddenly wearing a watch for a single video, telling how it changed his whole life, but then it's totally gone already in the next video, never to be seen again). Not to mention the distillery, despite being so small, has won quite a few awards, so there's no reason to doubt the quality of the products. Unless you are working for a competitor, of course. Then you are perfectly justified.

[@JAFO.]

@@herrakaarme You nailed it

[@technoturnovers7072]

@@SgtBFGunner yes, how dare he be theatrical with his drinking in a youtube video! god, I hope you don't watch a brandon herrera video, because he might just give you an aneurism

[@austinm3377]

"Ian rants" Ian: *gives clear demonstration and useful advice based off of real world experience*

[@mattisvov]

He's the hero we need but don't deserve: A man that is polite and reasonable on the internet.

[@sladeb6036]

Would you expect anything less from Gun Jesus

[@CORNDODGER]

Wait WHAT? YOU DRUNK TOO OR WHAT ?

[@thorlin3826]

Nah, he just lied about that bolt action. The stock had shrunk and the recoil lug forward of the action wasn't bearing the recoil force, the rear of the action was. Ian didn't even twig to it when he saw cracks at the wrist emanating from the action.

[@Sasquach1312]

@@thorlin3826 You're making assumptions, throwing an accusation, and missing the damn point which is that ammo should not be used in semi-automatic or automatic weapons because it's too hot and destroys guns and hands.

[@MrDeplorable-sw9cz]

I'll never look at a folding table again without thinking of a Lewis gun bipod.

[@andrewbrowning1931]

And now I'll never be able to either

[@McOuroborosBurger]

Or a Serbu RN-50 now

[@BangBang-hk4rg]

Me neither now! 😂🤣😂🤣

[@brostelio]

Having served 18 months national service in Greece, I never thought I'd ever hear the phrase "I would say that the Greek is definitely the ammunition that you want to have".

[@VonArmagedda]

Maybe the issues was the gun, not ammo

[@digadigado]

all the good stuff was sold to us

[@NoName-oh6pc]

Yeah I was surprised that it didn’t run British Surplus ammo. That’s the ammo it would have spent its life firing and the Lewis gun was considered a reliable weapon during its British military service. Although .303 British has gone through many adjustments and modifications over the years, so maybe that plays a factor🤷‍♂️

[@omegasarchangel7109]

@@NoName-oh6pcThe main problem with the British ammo is the amount of degradation due to age and storage conditions

[@ramjb]

@@NoName-oh6pc ww2 surplus british ammo is 70 years old. Time degrades stuff, and ammo is no exception. You can't reasonably expect that stuff to run well in a machinegun, no matter 70 years ago did so just fine.

[@Sabretoothsquirrel]

I love how his shoulders slumps in disappointment everytime the gun jams, like the ammo let him down and shamed the family.

[@mattisvov]

"Dishonor on your COW!"

[@psi9000]

“My disappointment is immeasurable and this second is ruined”.

[@foreststalkerbrothers]

British ammo made your machinegun into a UK friendly bolt action, just like the UK wanted

[@Ghostrider-71]

Straight pull rifles work so well!

[@NotAllBooksSmellNice]

I mean, in general, most cordite based ammo from 80 years ago probably isn't that great.

[@CMyBigHarryBLLS]

I mean that ammo is probably older than the majority of everyone's living family if I live to 80 I probably won't be able to hold a full size machine gun much less shoot it

[@matthewcooper7296]

@@NotAllBooksSmellNice yeah, the fact that it fires is a miracle

[@shwah8299]

When was the last school shooting in the UK?

[@uactechsupport9970]

"Let's go, Hans! We can charge them!" "But they have a machine gun!" "No, they don't."

[@Kr0noZ]

Like, "I've seen the ammo they buy, If we're lucky they empty the magazine dry cycling the gun because none of the rounds will actually fire"

[@nicohellmuth5275]

LOS HANS WIR KÖNNEN SIE STÜRMEN!!! aber sie habe in ein Maschinengewehr! NEIN. NEIN HABEN SIE NICHT!

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

They created a Lewis bolt action rifle

[@Nonsense010688]

@@HappyBeezerStudios that was what I was thinking: you may as well use a bolt action rifle.

[@Finwolven]

@@Nonsense010688 No no, that's just an instant conversion; when you really want to save ammo in your machine gun, this is cheap and turns it into a bolt-action!

[@DerrillGuilbert]

I'm actually super fascinated by the fact that there's still a meaningful amount of ammo from WWII out there, near 80 years on.

[@dogsnads5634]

It won't have been sold out of the UK either. .303 left UK stocks around 1965, so it would have been sold on to another country after, probably Africa or Asia, them stored there for an age in a hot climate...recipe for disaster.

[@tonycs-9]

I still shoot WW2 30-06 out of my m-1, In the last 3 years shot about 1000 rounds. Yes the ammo has been stored well.

[@dogsnads5634]

@@tonycs-9 It's heat and humidity that are the killer. Any old surplus from a hot country that is old is not worth bothering with. Mind you Pakistani ammo in general has a dreadful reputation even when new..

[@tonycs-9]

@@dogsnads5634 I should also add my ammo is from St. louis army ammunition plant 1943

[@Go-ah-oold]

I wonder how much ammunition was produced for these type of guns before the ammunition standardization change, and how much of that ammunition was used up.

[@tlmessage9196]

"garbage?" "Crap?" Dear lord, I need to sit down after hearing such harsh words from Ian's mouth. I didn't even do anything but I somehow feel disappointed in myself.

[@koalaman9585]

Damnit you just created a whole new class for the atf to regulate, bolt action machine guns

[@rodneybardin9281]

Drinking and talking about guns ammunition. Shooting guns while drinking. Not a good teacher. Shane on you.

[@Dogg1982]

@@rodneybardin9281 I must've missed the part where they were drinking out in the range........ as for talking about guns while drinking; GTFO with your stupid moralizing. I'm sure guns can only be discussed perfectly sober and in a church pew with the UTMOST solemnity.....

[@corsel6911]

@@rodneybardin9281 drinking and talking about guns and ammunition is as about as dangerous as drinking and talking about motor racing. That is such a strange comment to make.

[@360nofx]

@@rodneybardin9281 you are aware of a thing called editing right? Or do you think Team America is real as well!?

[@davidlamberson5435]

Is that the new semi fully automatic bolt action with a reverse bump stock?

[@NM-wd7kx]

To be fair, that's the cheapest straight-pull conversion kit you'll ever find.

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

Wanna convert your machine guns to semi-auto/bolt action? Try the new "antique-grade" surplus ammunition from your backwater store 🏬🏪 "shady uncle's guns and ammo." Your ammo will do the work for you. Guaranteed *0%* reliability. No refunds! Absolutely low low price!

[@adamcohill1617]

To be faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaair

[@manictiger]

@@adamcohill1617 Literally.

[@blakebeaton5821]

California compliant machine gun.

[@johnJohnson-us1tm]

🤣

[@CatacombD]

I think some of the problem comes from people wanting "authenticity" while not realizing that ammo has a shelf-life. Some people buy a WW2 gun, and assume that they should get WW2 ammo to make it work as it "authentically" did.

[@burningsinner1132]

Bonus points for german stuff, which essentially ignored such things as protective varnish. So you get a happy idiot with shiny surplus bullets... cleaned in the cheapest way possible, which is throwing it in acid. Oh, and don't get me started on sheer amount of powder erzatz germany used out of desperation. The only contender for this category is soviet mines.

[@MetalheadMitch762]

​​@@burningsinner1132WW2 German ammunition actually works very well in the Mausers I shoot. Especially the AP SmK rounds. I never shot the late war SmE ammo that has varnish but I have some that I collected including 7.92 Kurz. WW2 Canadian (didn't know it existed until I actually bought some) and Greek surplus 8mm is good as well.

[@griftinggamer]

...yea...but in a bolt action I can confirm German ww2 ammo out of mausers did pretty well for me.

[@Laz7481]

​@@griftinggamer I think they are talking about machineguns.

[@alasdaresineaeris2772]

Guy: Hey it's a machine gun! Bad ammo: Bolt action, take it or leave it

[@ragefuel3d]

Plot twist an atf agent sold him the ammo

[@adamthrasher5605]

This needs to be a meme of Pawn Stars!

[@davidcox3076]

I'd put some sketchy stuff in my kar 98K (except Turkish and Elbonian). But in anything automatic? That's just stupid.

[@mach533x]

@@davidcox3076 its so annoying shooting that crap... lol i have a lot of turkish from years ago... it suuuuucks. no idea what to do with it. lmao

[@stanislavczebinski994]

@@mach533x Pull the projectiles, dump the powder and the primer - put the projectiles back on: Voilá, perfect dummy rounds!!! ;-D

[@Csmith79]

They hated Gun Jesus because He told them the truth.

[@TheSexybitch0619]

Now I can’t unsee this lol. Totally accurate

[@mapletreepower7038]

They don’t baptize their ammo

[@Fasnfip]

Oh man, someone definitely needs to draw the meme! lol

[@Jon-ko3vv]

Brandon Herrera?

[@kristianjuel3748]

@@Jon-ko3vv kalashnigod?

[@wesleymantooth8016]

"Well, I found our problem. The damned barrel is full of water!"

[@Kameth]

For a mere 25% saving on ammo you to can turn your fully automatic machine gun into a manual bolt action gun!

[@Narcan885]

NRA loves this trick!

[@Tunkkis]

"Turn your machine gun UK legal with this one weird trick!"

[@cottonballs185]

*It's not a magazine, it's a feed pan as there's no spring to displace cartridges with, therefore it's legal!*

[@SailfishSoundSystem]

Lol!

[@Clintwoodz]

Open carry of mg permitted if surplus ammunition is loaded

[@danielfreedom3504]

California has left the chat.

[@blackhawk65589]

"The UK government hates this guy!"

[@Deathkorpstrooper1996]

I don't know about you guys, but it looks like Ian is my dad and he'll say "he's not mad at me, but just disappointed" and teach me a lesson after I said that drum magazines are amazing.

[@TheTISEOMan]

Honestly, Drum mags _are_ amazing. Do they require some maintanence? Yes. Are they big? Yes. But so is a big box of 5.56 dangling off your SAW. That's the main reason why the M27 IAR is being put into Marine service _and_ drum mags are being experimented with and issued. Why have a big belt box when you can have a nice pouch to store a drum mag or two, or three. More compact and technically any soldier can become a SAW gunner by just slapping a drum mag in, not pass around an entirely separate weapon. Not only that, they have gotten extremely reliable and feeding issues are next to non-existant. A real Beta-C mag for example (Not the crappy Korean rip off with super jank spring.) can feed thousands of rounds with basically no error. Just spray some of that graphite lube and you're good to go. just like any mag, if you keep dust out, the mag will work

[@nercksrule]

@@TheTISEOMan You've come to the wrong place to defend drum magazines. Both Ian and Karl have lambasted the unwieldy and cumbersome nature of drums. A single "drum" pouch on a vest could hold just as many, if not more, rounds in quad-stacked or double-stacked side-by-side stick mags.

[@TheTISEOMan]

@@nercksrule Yet Ian and Karl are holding those mags with the mindset of 2-gun shooting. Especially Karl, you can already see the influence of competition shooting and less actual combat practicality in their WWSD rifle. Barely lighter and is just a 1700 dollar competition rifle, yet it's heralded as "This is totally what Stoner would do with modern materials!" With the strong presumption Stoner would rely on a polymer lower if he would make a rifle today. I really don't hold high regard for their opinion when it comes to how something would work in relative field use, Ian I respect for his scholarly work on the history of something, very much so. But when it comes to how it would actually work in the field, our opinions differ. It all depends on the desire to have continuous fire and how much ammunition is required. We can already see Beta-C mags being useful with the Colt Automatic Rifle, being relatively similar to the IAR as a heavy barreled AR platform nearly 40 years earlier. That's not to say that triple and quad stack mags are suddenly worthless and in all purposes inferior to drums, but instead can complement them nicely. Soldiers can be equipped with what is needed for the desired mission. If SAW support is necessary, then a soldier can be equipped with a multitude of drum mags for a continuous stream of fire, or a few quad stacks for a lighter role, albeit I can see length being an issue. A 100 rnd quad stack mag is going to be more awkward to deal with than a beta C mag having a low profile.

[@bobzelley5100]

Looks like an unassuming attorney that I would hire

[@Thebuzzki11er]

Honestly don't understand the hate, I see it as a submachine gun issue.WW2 Western armies never had much respect for submachine guns, not like how the germans and especially soviets handed them out like candy. For these armies, a submachine gun wasn't just what you gave to tankers and artillery crews, but rather the primary weapon of every man in an infantry platoon. Carrying two drums is heavy but minimizing reloading in brutal urban close quarters combat would be life saving for a soviet shock trooper. The weight of the drums is not as much of an issue because these guys aren't running across fields with them, they're going room to room clearing them out with burst fire and hand grenades.

[@madawcofarreat2348]

That's pretty impressive, tbh. The British WW2 ammo can convert a machine gun into semi-auto with no other tinkering or parts needed.

[@Nerotique]

More like bolt action. lol

[@madawcofarreat2348]

@@Nerotique Hahaha, true.

[@BadlanderOutsider]

Seeing as it's almost a century old at this point, that's not too surprising. It'd be like someone in the 1980s trying to run a gun on Victorian surplus ammo and wondering why it's not working well.

[@romannod5191]

In true British manner, they probably stored it in a shed with two guys watching it

[@COIcultist]

@@BadlanderOutsider Well 81 to 75 years, but I hazard to say that the ammunition was made to work. Now whether it was sealed or placed in hermetically sealed containers is another thing. People are still using Russian spam can ammunition that was made in the 50s that might be as little as 5 years younger.

[@antimono5528]

"I have a bunch of surplus ammo" aka Ian has a secret doomsday bunker beneath the RIA house with enough ammo for an army

[@LukeBunyip]

...as long as that army comprised French Foreign Legion troops from the mid 1930s.

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

... that got transported to modern day via time machine used by Ian. That Ian equipped with surplus famas F1 rifles.

[@LadyAnuB]

Shhhhhh, no one is supposed to know Ian has enough 7.65 French Longue stockpiled to survive the next millennium.

[@ventedbus4917]

And it is all for french firearms

[@MrGrimsmith]

How else is he to supply the Elbonian Army when they occupy the USA? Of course it might be in a bunch of random calibres but eh, Elbonia!

[@bryanclark4975]

"Hello, welcome to forgotten weapons, I'm Ian, and today we're looking at a straight pull, bolt action Lewis gun"

[@daikimizu9324]

"It's a really cool-looking gun, it's being sold here on rock island auction, now let's look at the very unique features on this gun, it uses 80-year old ammo wich I think it's pretty neat, loading and firing these rounds will give you more accuracy, as you will have only one shot per trigger pull so you don't have to worry about going full auto and wasting all those bullets into senseless spraying"

[@andrewpiegzik4121]

Gotta appreciate a company like PPU that still makes alot of these older calibers.

[@firestorm165]

If hypothetically you find yourself in Serbia could you buy straight from the factory if you ask nicely enough?

[@PaulVerhoeven2]

@@firestorm165 Better question would be can you bring it back to the US with you?

[@firestorm165]

@@PaulVerhoeven2 fair point

[@kmech3rd]

PPU .303 Brit FTW. Brassy n classy, and not filthy either.

[@camwinston5248]

@@firestorm165 Yes...but they say there is a bunch of those Elbonians hanging around out in the parking lots you have to watch out for..! They will try too take ur stash...the security guards have too run them off constantly...😁😂😂😂😂

[@jtj1331]

The trench gun rant where Ian cusses is one of my favorites... seeing him crack a bottle open made me think “here.... we... go!”

[@zrobotics]

@@vaderdudenator1 here ya go, I was curious myself. Pretty funny. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGGnZ6NprJeknbs

[@TheBehm08]

“I am Ian McMullen and this really grinds my gears” He’s so straightforward and entertaining

[@thepopeshat8029]

@MMVPN Sports Munitions Muhammad

[@thepopeshat8029]

That sounds a lot worse out loud than what was in my head

[@chipsterb4946]

Ian: “I have a bunch of surplus Ammo myself” Me: “How much is a ‘bunch’ in the mind of Gun Jesus?”

[@MikaelKKarlsson]

Mortal level: practically unlimited ammo.

[@dbmail545]

I got 6 spam cans of 7n6 in my stash that is the last stuff I will shoot if SHTF. Not because it's bad but because it is better sealed and harder hitting than the new commercial ammo.

[@charlesc.9012]

@@SonsOfLorgar Username adds up too lololololololol

[@davidbrennan660]

Ian can get all fish and loaves with ammo cans if he wishes.

[@damiangrouse4564]

Answer: All of it

[@Whitpusmc]

But Ian, we are saving TWICE! Once when you pay less for the ammo and the second when you can’t actually shoot that many rounds! And maybe you save three times because it often breaks the gun and then you can’t shoot anything! Three times saving!! Three times!

[@davidlewis3867]

This guy gets it. If you can't shoot the ammo, the ammo can't shoot your wallet.

[@ragnarragnarsson3128]

Once...Twice...THREE TIMES A LADY GENTS!!!

[@methanbreather]

there is a saying in Germany: Wer billig kauft, kauft zweimal. Roughly translated: if you buy cheap, you buy twice. Not because it is good. No, because it did not work the first time. Also we are very peculiar about the difference between billig - cheap and preiswert - reasonably priced (literarily: worth the price).

[@azzazel225]

In Russia we say Скупой платит дважды, дурак трижды. Cheapskates pay twice, stupid people pay three times.

[@unclejoeoakland]

Gibson Guitars, way back in the 1890s had a catalogue with a whole list of slogans for their sales staff- one slogan was, "buy your second guitar first and save money!"

[@esprit101]

I've seen foreigner struggle a bit with the difference between "billig" and "günstig" in German. I tried to explain it as "billig" meaning what you buy isn't great and that's why it's cheap, while "günstig" means its not expensive for what you get.

[@LN997-i8x]

There's a similar English saying: "Buy once, cry once"

[@bodhijitbiswas6282]

Funny how so many cultures have similar concepts about the same economic fallacy, in my country we say "Mahenga roye ek baar, sasta roye baar baar". Roughly translated to: Buy expensive cry once, buy cheap cry again and again

[@feedthedodo]

*opens bottle dramatically* oh boy this is going to be good

[@bryanconnaughton474]

Absolutely no one: Ian: oh boy, here we go

[@VonArmagedda]

I bet he's looking for any excuse to open the kyrö malt bottle :D

[@themodernwarfarehistorian825]

Yeah ahahah

[@vanman724]

Ya, never seen him SO fired up

[@etoineschrdlu9382]

It's nice to see Ian get sponsorship from KYRO.

[@EdTomBel]

"Sully not thy fine automatic with unclean ammo; instead chooseth thou from amongst the finest fruits, and you shall cut your enemies in pieces and not be rent asunder on the day of tribulation."

[@mikehimes7944]

'To buy tula is to throw swine before a pearl.'

[@5riversdeep628]

@@mikehimes7944 but, if you buy tula for your HI Point, like I have, It's a match made in swine heaven.

[@noahculver8936]

Gun Jesus quotes eh? Nice.

[@bottomgear4028]

I'm going to add these to the book of Boogalations

[@metagen77]

Thou shalt not sully thine mechanical musket using projectiles lacking valor - GunJesus

[@CymSteve]

I love the bald guy "Buy good stuff, shoot good stuff kids." *G-I JOOOOE*

[@jacobmccandles1767]

"Now you know, and knowing is half the battle."

[@pablowentscobar]

It's like I'm getting lectured by my dad. "Jesus Christ just buy the good ammo!" *Takes shot of whiskey* "Would ya!?!"

[@williamgallop9425]

Not whiskey. Kyrö-gin from Finland.

[@Qmeister044]

@@williamgallop9425 It literally says single rye malt whisky on the bottle.

[@williamgallop9425]

@@Qmeister044 my mistake. In earlier video ian tasted kyrö-gin.

[@fuzzball7972]

I can imagine my dad saying this to me if I bought crappy ammo.

[@nuanenfreohr]

When ATF rolls up to range “ hey grab that cheap ammo real quick” 😂

[@wastedangelematis]

This comment deserves more love by his ATF agent

[@crazeelazee7524]

ATF: "Is that a machine gun?" "Nope, it's bolt action. Let me show you"

[@JAFO.]

@@crazeelazee7524 LMAO

[@braxtonnelson7422]

I remember shooting my Dad's Enfield .303 with surplus ammo from WW2... sometimes there was still sand in the boxes from North Africa! Never a problem... even with the few tracer rounds randomly dispersed through the boxes. Of course, this was 40+ years ago! Good video making good points, as usual. Thanks, Ian!

[@CorndogCrusader]

I didn't realize that they made a straight-pull bolt-action Lewis Gun, that's a very interesting version.

[@MagraveOfGA]

When I was first gifted my Mosin Nagant, I was lured in by the siren of a can of 500 surplus ammo. Over the last 6 years, I've hesitantly shot nearly 300 of it. Beforehand, I know I'm going to regret it; during its fun because I can just set the can on the bench and shoot However much I want because it was like $0.05 each; but when I get home I have to spend 2 hours cleaning the rifle because it looks like the insides are coated in fresh black paint... this is a vicious cycle

[@sushikazuki5945]

That’s a modern day Shakespearean Tragedy, there. The guy with the rifle and the ammo he can never *truly* use

[@Ryan-de2gd]

Gotta love that dirty dirty Surplus

[@kamikazemelon787]

i always found it relaxing to do the whole “cleaning every small bit” part with my Mosin after shooting that nasty corrosive stuff, but that’s just me

[@MlTGLIED]

@@kamikazemelon787 No, it's not only you. I clean my Mosin Nagant everytime. It doesnt matter for me if I used surplus or shiny brass match ammunition.

[@zelashizzz1278]

I've got some old 7.62x39 that is the same way... dirty dirty

[@Bynming]

When I bought my first "nice" bolt action rifle I felt broke and bought Tula and Barnaul steel cased ammo to go with it... Poor accuracy, lots of problems including the bolt locking up and requiring a couple of whacks with a mallet to clear up. I learned my lesson.

[@SpacePatrollerLaser]

You can't give those Elbonians anything good. They wreck it every time

[@SpacePatrollerLaser]

@@tacticalmattfoley Ian; Thou hast created a monster!

[@aydanmull]

When the video starts with the “fwoop” of a bottle you know it’ll be good

[@markbyrd7710]

One of my favorite sounds of all time.

[@JG54206]

I’m a car guy so I’ll help Ian out with the opening analogy… it’s like changing out the turbo on your car for a bigger one and doing the whole host of supporting mods with it like bigger injectors, better intercooler etc…. And then trying to run it on a 87 octane pump gas and wondering why you melted a piston when you were “only pushing 24psi on an upgraded turbo with stock internals.” On second thought…. The Lamborghini and cheap gas analogy is probably way better.

[@imperialmodelworks8473]

That's an excellent magazine-fed, straight pull, bolt action Lewis gun

[@f.h.9606]

It's a pan, not a drum magazine...

[@imperialmodelworks8473]

@@f.h.9606 same concept. I dont really care either way.

[@syhaidar7489]

@@f.h.9606 it's a drum that is attached horizontally

[@f.h.9606]

@@syhaidar7489 in a drum magazine all cartridges are placed parallel to the center axis and the bullets point forward. In a pan magazine all cartridges are placed radial and the bullets point to the center of the magazine.

[@f.h.9606]

@@imperialmodelworks8473 Two different concepts. Ignorance is bliss. Or isn't it?

[@User_Un_Friendly]

There’s a great scene in Flyboys where the veteran pilot is spending his downtime examining each round of out of the boxes for his machine guns, and carefully inspect it for deformed casing and bad primers before loading it into his guns. Since the next time he was flying he relied on his ammo to keep him alive, he wasn’t going to trust the rounds he was loading into his machine guns without taking a look himself. 🤔. Of course, this was WW1 France, where the quality of French ammo could be spotty.😶

[@spazmonkey2131]

All round good movie

[@ScottKenny1978]

Not just French ammo...

[@petesheppard1709]

Overall, ammo quality in WWI was abysmal. Othias at C&Rsenal tells of an M1917 being blown up by Winchester factory ammo.

[@ewhartiii]

I read that von Richthoven used to do the same thing, as well as instruct all of his pilots to do the same. I always assumed that the more successful WWI pilots would inspect their ammo because of wartime quality issues. Jams in flight were difficult to deal with, especially if you were being shot at.

[@cheyannei5983]

@@ewhartiii IIRC you couldn't clear a jam in most WW1 aircraft guns. One bad round and you're out of a gun for that fight... Or at least, I'm presuming based on the interwar aircraft guns. Most countries just finished up their ww1 designs and sat on them till 1936-38 when it became apparent a new war was coming.

[@JonatasMonte]

Imagine the enemy is coming and suddenly your machinegun jams.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Pretty common actually. MGs jams nowadays too, but in WWII it was not a question of "if" nor a question of "when", it was a question of "how often".

[@williamflowers9435]

Our Lord hath spoken... “Thou shall not besmirch thy NFA transferable machine gun with unholy ammo”

[@andersjjensen]

AMEN BROTHER! :P Also, I'm stealing "besmirch" without any feelings of guilt what so ever!

[@948320z]

Don't know why but the phrase "thy NFA transferable machine gun" made me laugh more than I should. Amen.

[@rogerrains5131]

Once you realize that Ian's shirt only has one epaulet, you can't un-see it.

[@zelashizzz1278]

Damn you!

[@keepyourbilsteins]

One can only wear a single beret at a time.

[@demonprinces17]

Looking at the gin

[@Ni999]

@@keepyourbilsteins Bingo.

[@michaelfregoe5875]

This is the b This is the best comment I've seen.

[@ckl9390]

One thing to remember about surplus ammo, especially when made during hotly contested conflicts, is that it was expected to be used within a couple of years. The ammo did not need shelf life, it just needed to get to the front and work most of the time. With that in mind there are many shortcuts that were often taken in these circumstances. One I've heard about (in particular regarding 303 brit) include not annealing the necks of cases after forming, which can lead to the case necks cracking in storage (after decades) let alone when used. Another common one is skipping or skimping on airtight and water proofing lacquers, which was mentioned in the comments already.

[@HelghastStalker]

It's a major reason that, when it comes to my firearms, I will NEVER use surplus ammunition. Only fresh/modern-manufactured, especially for civilian use. Civilian rounds, generally speaking, are made to have a "shelf life" since the average civilian isn't constantly blowing through ammunition and buying more.

[@leehoughton9068]

One reason the .303Brit was not annealed was the way it was formed Straight walled case formed Primed Cordite charge inserted Blanking disk added on top Case stage formed to shape Projectile inserted and crimped Advantage is quick manufacture Disadvantage is quick manufacture Case never intended to be reloaded Even post war ammunition was done this way if not 7Z (Nitro) spec ie CAC, RG or MF Commonwealth manufacture

[@WingMaster562]

This is my first time seeing a Jam-Action Machine gun.

[@juanordonezgalban2278]

Lul

[@thanos9846]

When I left the suck in the mid 90s, we were phasing out the M60 E4 for the new 240s. You want to see a jam machine, have a go at an M60 that has been around for a few decades and basically shot itself into pieces. Peanut butter, jam. Peanut butter, jam. Jam jam jam jam...

[@henleinkosh2613]

Unfortunately, I can't say the same

[@CrusadingSamurai]

Okay that was a funny. Lol

[@Neccronix]

We aren't allowed to own firearms in my country, so I just set both of my arms on fire. It works just as well.

[@travisinthetrunk]

Isn’t Springfield in America?

[@juliannestingray5948]

good one.

[@benvaun1330]

Checks out. I would not fuck with someone who casually lights their arms on fire and comes at me.

[@HankIndieGames]

It's not all it's cracked up to be, here in the US we have a lot of trouble guarding our hunny pots and pic-a-nic baskets because of the right to arm bears.

[@MrMrrome]

Finally, a weapon to surpass metal gear...

[@georgesheffield1580]

High amounts of nitro glycerine in british ammo ( cordite contains contained as much as 30 % ) decomposes over time . Read papers by Norma on powder decomposition . It has been 75 years since produced .

[@jasonwilliams1085]

Damn, this is driving Ian to drinking! Don't buy crap ammo, save Ian!

[@_malprivate2543]

Nah. He just really likes that Finnish stuff. Soon he'll replace his EDC gun with a puukko.

[@helipilotuh1]

TIL that the classic TV and Movie “Machine gun sound” was a Lewis gun.

[@Knight-Bishop]

Yup. Idk if it was in it, but I remember reading something, some title like "Why all frogs go ribbit". Subject was how limitations and locality meant that whatever sounds weren't foley'd, a lot of clear, early recordings had a small variety of sources and got heavily re-used. The title comes from how most frogs just croak, peep, or squawk, but frogs in older movies made a distinct "ribbit" sound because it was the call of a type of tree frog found in Southern CA. Someone must've had a Lewis Gun when "machine gun firing" was a needed recording. There were a couple different types of earlier jet engines that made the distinct flyby roar-to-shriek sound you'd recognize from almost any jet or rocket early on, perhaps most commonly recognized from being heard in original Looney Tunes, especially Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner bits.

[@nateweter4012]

God, I love a good Ian McCullum rant. I always feel better afterwords. I always feel relieved and more hopeful for some reason.

[@JustanOlGuy]

This affects me in absolutely no way or form, and yet I watched from beginning to end...

[@alexm566]

same lol, I'll never be able to afford or get a machine gun license

[@moralambush]

I love that initial liquor pour. Such is a man of culture.

[@ClergetMusic]

Another sign is that he has a globe and knows how to use it.

[@JENKEM1000]

Such is a man in the early stages of addiction

[@IamOutOfNames]

@@JENKEM1000 Nah, that's his french guns.

[@VRSVLVS]

I feel very much the same about Archery and arrows. Some people go out to buy exillent bows, but then they cheap out on the arrows. Yes, arrows are expensive, and they break... But the accuracy of your shot is mainly determined by the quality and consistency of your arrows. I'd rather shoot a crude bent branch as a bow with high grade arrows, then a top of the line bow with cheap and inconsistent arrows.

[@SierraBravo347]

Never seen a bolt action machine gun before...Thanks Ian! 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻✌🏼

[@sam__304]

You beat me to that comment👍

[@SierraBravo347]

@@sam__304 My Bad! 😁✌🏼

[@witmoreluke]

Ian can teach you two things today! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2ebY6yFpbOUnMk M1915 Howell Automatic Rifle! Bolt action semi-auto!

[@Reeber]

@@witmoreluke thanks, was looking for this.

[@SierraBravo347]

@@witmoreluke That's why he's Gun Jesus! 🙏🏻🤣

[@pennsy6755]

This reminds me of a story from a discord server I’m in. Basically one of the mods decided it was a good idea to get drunk off of mikes hard lemonade and box wine. A few hours later he over-drafted his bank account by like 4K after buying a PKM parts kit from Lithuania.

[@garethfuller2700]

So... How did that end? With him returning the parts kit, or coming up with 4K+ of funds?

[@korayreyiz3527]

@@garethfuller2700 i imagine he enjoys his new pkm

[@king_2829]

You're getting piss named.

[@WingMaster562]

They say bad decisions make fantastic stories but holy fuck

[@RiddSann]

god damn lmao wild from start to finish

[@nickmaclachlan5178]

Buying ammo that was potentially manufactured over Eighty years or more ago, and expecting it perform as per a modern equivalent, has got to be the new definition of insanity. Not to mention being extremely dangerous for not only your weapons, but your personal wellbeing too. But you can't legislate against terminal stupidity............

[@BokoDisraeli]

“Amateurs”: convert my manual rifle into a self loader. “Experts”: Convert my automatic into a manual.

[@tortron]

Everything is a muzzle loader if you try hard enough

[@waterdog9555]

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@inquisitorkryptman7893]

So Every Californian gun owner is expert?

[@jujosaar]

Came in for guns, now I need whiskey. Greetings from Finland!

[@Treemaster16]

Heyy im in espoo

[@knighthaunter]

lol i want that shirt hes got on

[@PalleRasmussen]

HERESY! If you are a Finn, you need Vodka!

[@echodelta2172]

:DDD

[@jujosaar]

@@PalleRasmussen No, Vodka is for russians. We Finns drink Koskenkorva Viina.

[@edwardhawkey5714]

Really had a laugh at this and as always, sound advice from GJ. Having said that, in South Africa, I am buying military surplus 303br, PMP SA surplus 7.62x51, Pakistani 7.62 x 51Norinco 7.62 in 39 and 51 and all my rifles, bolt action and semi auto all run perfectly. To date after many many range days, I have not had a single miss fire or hang fire. Cheers Ian

[@carlozanotto8307]

8:40 you can feel both the drop in Ian's voice and the pain in his soul when he thinks about buying bad ammo

[@History_Coffee]

Meanwhile us little people are hammering percussion caps out of old Lacroix cans and roll caps🤠

[@TheWolfsnack]

If you can find roll caps......my country just decided that cap guns are to be banned because they are "gateway weapons"......sigh

[@johnharris6589]

@@TheWolfsnack where are you not UK I hope

[@geegaw14]

@@johnharris6589 Probably Canada

[@saskafrass1985]

@@geegaw14 yeah, and people in Ontario have been hearing that it was a complete gun ban on some news stations, for some strange reason. Had a family member from out east ask what I was going to do now that all guns are banned, yeah my mind went tilt a little. They concluded that they will buy a pellet gun and slingshot for "protection". I didn't have the heart to explain anything.

[@TheWolfsnack]

@@johnharris6589 .......Canada......sigh......they plan on banning airsoft as well....

[@brumleytown1882]

"I think I'm empty." Great epitaph for any bystander.

[@twg6732]

1:25 How to essentially make your Lewis gun into a bolt action

[@oz_jones]

Don't give the ATF any ideas

[@paulnutter1713]

Not true with all ancient ammunition. I have a stone that was first used over a thousand years ago, still works perfectly today

[@twatmunro9563]

I initially thought this had to be about Scott and his 50 cal incident but it came out a month before that.

[@GreatBeeman]

The signs were there

[@privatetrash2810]

@@JAKOB1977 it was a different gun. He says it at the start of his video.

[@hockeybuzz555]

The clip with the Lewis Gun was like watching an episode of This Old House.

[@GryphonWahle]

I'm Kevin O'Connor I'm Tom Silva I'm Richard Thththewy I'm Roger Cook and I'm John Keene of the Morphy Auction Company for This Old House.

[@DJjudeo]

I’ve never nodded my head in agreement to anything relatable as Ian losing momentum and taking a drink

[@EIBBOR2654]

I bought a can of Greek .30-06 in M-1 clips at a gun show, mainly because it was only $30.00 for the can of bandoliers. Yes, this was way before all this ammo craziness, around 2003 or 2005. I had been told it was good ammo. When I shot it, I could tell it was hotter than normal, not bad until the second clip. That one kicked harder than the first. When I checked the fired brass, the primers were flat and I found one that was pierced. I didn't want to mess up my M-1 so I just stopped using it and pulled out another can I had to use that day at the range. I put that can out in my garage under my reloading bench thinking I would pull the bullets and reload it. I forgot about that can until I watched this and Ian mentioned the Greek ammo. It is still out there and I guess I'll do something with it this weekend. Thanks Ian! Whenever I go out shooting in the desert and find brass someone left behind, I grab it. I don't care what it is for or the caliber. I'll take it home check it for cracks and clean it if it is good. What I can't reload or use I'll trade it off for brass I can use. Been doing that for years and have a good collection. You would be surprised what some people leave behind and most of it was fired once.

[@hypethekomodo6495]

You know it's gonna be a good Forgotten Weapons video when Ian instantly starts pouring the shots.

[@OstrichWrestler]

How to have a really expensive bolt-action in two steps: 1) Own a fully automatic machine gun 2) Use British WW2 Surplus

[@lukewuzhere1000]

Dear lord the Bipod on that Lewis gun could support a whole family.

[@CharlatanWonder]

Okay 20 seconds in and we've safely avoided the Davis Aurini blunder of pretending to drink. Remember folks, be like Ian here and don't pour anything you don't intend to drink.

[@sixstringedthing]

Pouring it down the sink between cuts isn't fooling anybody either.

[@Poth94]

I was wondering "why isn't he shooting it full auto" Then realised it's misfiring

[@patheddles4004]

I got quite a way in before I remembered that it's a machine gun...

[@Ealsante]

"For thou hast, at great price, obtained a jewel of a weapon; yet, to spare a few coins, thou defilest the jewel. The fool spares the ammunition and spoils the gun, but the wise know that good surplus will fire constantly."

[@merpius]

Interesting. About 23 years ago I bought some 1941 headstamp Turkish Mauser ammo. It did have occasional hangs, so wouldn't be suitable for full auto, but it turned my Yugo Mauser into a tack shooter. That stuff was ridiculously accurate out of that gun. Guess I was lucky it never broke my stock!

[@daveb5540]

I think my lot is 1942 or 43, and it kicks but seemed ok until Ian said he knew of a Mauser blowing up. Now I'm not so sure :/

[@88porpoise]

There are really two separate issues. The first is age related. That shouldn't be a big safety issue for putting through a bolt gun if you are comfortable dealing with hangfires, corrosive ammo, etc. The other issue is poor standards and inconsistent quality control. That is the scary one because tolerances might be off too much or maybe there is too much powder or something to do real damage. To make it worse you might go through a thousand rounds of the stuff before you hit that one round with the right combination of issues. Or you might never see an issue.

[@Ardelanin]

he did an ammo evaluation with a chronograph quite some time ago. perhaps he got a specific batch that was particularly bad? but the main issue he mentinoed there is that turkish ammo is loaded hot, so don't use it in machineguns. bolt actions (I think he said, so take my words with salt) will be fine. just never use turkish surplus in machineguns because it's loaded much hotter then the guns were meant to handle?

[@paulshayter1113]

@@Ardelanin, As I recall he used the Turkish surplus ammo in his boot action Mauser and that is what broke the stock. I remember watching the video but it was awhile ago.

[@smartassdroid5149]

Man, haven't seen this much shaming from a religious figure since I was 12.

[@kevinsullivan3448]

But in this case it is well deserved.

[@GoBigBoreOrGoHome]

THANK GOD SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT! Ian, I can't agree more! I'm always astounded when I show up at the range and see people shooting some customized, $2,000 plus AR with all of the whistles and bells, and they are shooting the CRAPPIEST ammo they can find! Why?! Did you buy that $350,000 Lamborghini and buy cheap, knock-off brand tires? And you wonder why you can't get good quarter mile times and it corners like a Yugo? Use your head and feed that nice firearm of yours quality ammo. Watch it run like a top and shoot tight groups!

[@corvoshlorpe3849]

So glad to see Ian using a glencairn glass for his whisky

[@GypsyHunter232UK]

Too bad he didnt use a Scottish single malt aged whiskey tho...

[@corvoshlorpe3849]

@@GypsyHunter232UK meh best whiskey is the whisky you like the way you like to drink it.

[@moosen189]

@@corvoshlorpe3849 I see you too like to whiskey magnificently 😉

[@corvoshlorpe3849]

@@moosen189 I indeed do 😉 good to see another Triber in the wild

[@Betoniporsas75]

@@GypsyHunter232UK Do you know whisky Ian drinks?

[@NikovK]

/me laughs in Yugo 8mm wrapped in copies of Pravda and twine. It was always going into a bolt-action.

[@sixstringedthing]

That is possibly the most "Soviet surplus" sentence that I've ever heard. Bravo.

[@vikkimcdonough6153]

8:09 - "If you reload the stuff, more power to you." Both figuratively, _and_ literally. 😜

[@jan-reiniervoute6701]

I grew up shooting rifle ammo my Dad "liberated" after WWII. The wait while a cartridge decides to be a hangfire or a dud and the odd smack in the face when it decides to be a hangfire (count to ten boy, Dad would say) after all taught me respect for firearms and absolutely for good fodder.

[@gordonbrandt9739]

That's a version of the lecture I've given both my kids. When buying look at the quality first then worry about the price. It saves a great amount of later complaining that "I should spent the extra money for the better product"

[@daveb5540]

YES YES YES, and I always try to buy American if I can.

[@randomidiot8142]

Mostly because murphy is an unrelenting asshole that thinks it hilarious for your things to break at the worst possible times..

[@nicflatterie7772]

I say that I am not rich enough to buy crap!

[@handlesarecringe957]

With computers there's a similar issue with people buying expensive components and then not buying a good power supply and surge protector

[@Morbacounet]

Everyone knows that "la crème de la crème" is Elbonian surplus.

[@captainswoop8722]

It's all surplus they re-mark so if you have any it's double surplus goodfness.

[@MrNicoJac]

Really?? I've heard Elbonian ammo can be a bit.... muddy?

[@sheldoniusRex]

Just shoot it all before the bullets get eaten by termites.

[@DGARedRaven]

I like how the first action is this video is Ian going for a drink. "I need this. I *seriously* need this."

[@mandarb1021]

When I got my first AR, I tried several different types of ammo...I have a .223 Wylde barrel, so it can handle the case pressures of 5.56. .223 steel case wouldn’t cycle, .223 brass cycled but it felt weak when firing...brass 5.56 and she runs beautifully, so I use only brass 5.56. Great content and love the topics and info!

[@magoid]

That is the most heavy-duty bipod I ever saw.

[@defaultusername123]

Looks like cattle fencing lol

[@Saint-Bedo]

Put it on the front of a vehicle and you have a bull at lmao

[@TylerO_O.]

bult like a folding chair of half a folding table legs

[@nadams01_65]

Only good thing about having 6am workouts is I get a Forgotten weapons video right after

[@jimservu]

And you start the day off with Gainz!

[@dominick253]

Same here brother 👍 morning gainz club!

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

How very lucky you! However here in the Philippines we're mostly stuck in our homes only walking around doing tasks a la among us.

[@p8nisman-not]

@@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 exactly workout in ur house

[@sissonsk]

I bought some eastern-block 8mm for my Yugo Mauser. It was in a flimsy bandoleer but came in 5 round clips. The case would split when fired and would lock the bolt closed occasionally. And it was highly corrosive. I didn't fire more than 5 rounds of it. I got in the habit of pouring boiling water down the barrel of any rifle that I have run corrosive ammo through.

[@michaelpepper2026]

When I was in High School and bought my first Mauser and couldn't find 7.92 ammo. An old friend and mentor took pity on me, and gave me two boxes of German 1938 vintage tracers, and told me to go have fun. Yeah the one box I opened and shot, hangfires, duds, and that was also the most apt to ricochet stuff I ever seen! One round glancing of a rock in the dirt, coming back over my head! I never tried the other box... Went back to my old friend and mentor who gave me the stuff, and before I could tell him what happened, he asked "What did you learn?" I replied that old surplus ammo is dangerous, he just said "Its best to let kids experience something than tell them, enjoy the other box as a collectible kid." I still have that unopened "collectible" second box.

[@randomidiot8142]

Some lessons just need to be learned and not taught. We need more mentors like that.

[@gureno19]

The cordite in those 40s british cartridges have been in there so long that they have 4 generations of little British cordite children.

[@terribleauthority]

@@thecommissaruk Inbred like proper British youth!

[@cageordie]

@@thecommissaruk You are mixing them up with the southern US where their family tree is a family circle.

[@ChainsawChuck13]

@@cageordie Reddit is that way

[@johnolsen7073]

My dad in WW2, used the Lewis Gun in the Roval Navy. He said it was crap, the gun jammed every 5 rounds or so.

[@rlanger3108]

That Lewis sounds like a cannon. I want that audio in the next WW1 or 2 game.

[@45CaliberCure]

Yeah, that thing sounds great. The cadence of the Lewis gun is very satisfying, as well.

[@MadMike-bq1px]

Verdun (pc, xbox and maybe ps) reworked their sound design a while back and it sounds fantastic now. It is definitely worth trying out if you haven't already. I haven't played it in over eight months so I don't know if anything has changed, but it was the most realistic and fun WWI shooter I've played.

[@MadMike-bq1px]

@\\ Tom.H // There is a fairly steep learning curve and sometimes it can be hard to find a decent server depending on where you are, but it is definitely worth it if you've got the money to spare. I loved it and I want to start playing again.

[@ste887]

35 seconds. Ian sense was on point this morning

[@olddirtbiker5088]

Ian-another variant of this problem-- I bought the semi auto DP28 after your video of it (you liked it a lot) and I ran new Wolf 7.62 X 54 in it as I had lots of it. You would think SMG guns would set up their version of the DP28 to work with good old dirty Wolf ammo, but no, it ran as a single shot. Sent it back to them, they said it was fine. Located some spam cans of Romanian ammo and then it ran semi auto because Wolf was not hot enough to cycle the action. Still don't know why SMG didn't set it up to run on Wolf, or say Wolf would not cycle it.

[@brass427]

My Dad taught me this. He used almost exclusively Lake City stuff. You're right about the GP11 stuff. The earlier ammunition with the wax ring was great. They actually make 'match grade' 7.5 Swiss and it is awesome.