Ibis Exie VS Pivot Mach 4 SL // Head-to-Head Comparison and Review

[@mtbyumyum]

It's been a lot of fun riding these bikes back-to-back. What a great way to really see the differences between two very good bikes! Again, I would be happy with either one of these bikes as my short travel bike for this season... could literally flip a coin. They're different but I appreciate them both for what they are! Enjoy and thanks for watching!

[@samharris82]

Forget the bikes, I want your trail!!! 😍

[@mtbyumyum]

haha yep, they're a lot of fun!

[@The80shilling]

This is the EXACT review I have been waiting for! You helped me make my mind up, and I'm going with the Exie. Thank you!

[@mtbyumyum]

Glad it was helpful. I've absolutely loved every mile on my Exie. Congrats!

[@The80shilling]

@@mtbyumyum P.S. I emailed Salt Cycles for a quote on the USA frame, so hopefully you get some benefit if I buy from them. I'm coming from a Trek Procaliber hard-tail, with all XX1 components on it, which I'm going to transfer over to the Exie frame.

[@mtbyumyum]

Sick! Good luck and congrats! You'll love the Exie... after your first ride you won't believe how much more traction the bike will have... particularly in corners and braking! It's amazing for a short travel xc bike!

[@The80shilling]

@@mtbyumyum It's getting built for me right now, there's a bunch of new graphics and color schemes available (I don't think I like them as much as the previous version logo/sticker designs) and they're transferring all the SRAM XX1 stuff off my Trek Procaliber, as well as the carbon wheels, carbon bars, carbon seatpost, etc, and I went with the FOX Factory 34 SC fork instead of the 32 SC I have on the Trek. Can't wait to do my first ride on it next week.

[@The80shilling]

It's a hell of a bike! I'm still getting used to it, since I've only ever ridden hardtails, but once I've got the suspension dialed in, I think I'm going to be faster on the Exie than I am on my Procaliber, even though the Procaliber only weighs 19.6 lbs with pedals, and my Exie weighs in at 23.4 lbs., With pedals also. LOVE this thing, it's a weapon.

[@brennanmackenzie370]

Thanks!

[@nckporter]

Someone’s got yumyum dripped out in the Nike’s.. lookin good bro! Loving my T429 I picked up from Salt Cycles, definitely more “boring” than the Stumpy but I’m riding faster up & down, and spending less time nearly killing myself. The enduro build has been perfect for me as I only own one bike at a time and slightly heavier. And the suspension is more set it and forget it type feeling… Keep it up!

[@mtbyumyum]

haha, my kids lol. They've been trying to get me to wear Air Force's for the past year and nope... Blazers I can do tho haha. Love the T429... easily my most recommended bike... even more than the Ripley if you can believe it! It's dummy proof... will work for just about everyone in any situation!

[@youtubevideochannel_alxevz4153]

​@@mtbyumyum I really enjoy your channel, thank you for the time effort you put into it! Your reviews work so well for me as we seem to share similar riding styles, age, and short stature. While I came for your head to head review of the Exie vs Mach4, both of these bikes on my short list - riding a Transition Spur right now. I have to ask, the pants you are wearing in this video are what brand? I guess I just like your style, what can I say!

[@nckporter]

@FezzariBicycles send this man a signal peak!!! it's right within this category.

[@vashusan1984]

Love your passion Jason. These head to heads are a lot of fun.

[@mtbyumyum]

Thanks! I've had a blast filming them... SB120 VS SB140 coming next week!!

[@HLDefender]

Ok - you sold me. I was just asking in a previous video which Pivot is the better mountain bike for trail duty. The M4 or the T429. You solidified my choice even with the Spur in the equation. I'm going M4 with an additional set of XC carbon wheels and tires just for race events. Looks like the Flip Chip is the switch between trail and XC I've been looking for. Thanks for you efforts.

[@mtbyumyum]

Good luck and enjoy!! Call Chris at Salt Cycles if you haven’t already made your purchase… #1 pivot dealer in 2023 call 8019438502

[@brucehumphries6889]

That wandering eye gets me in trouble a lot!!😂

[@philr696]

Nice review. The ibis you mentioned that the bottle is harder to get out but it does have mounts for 2 bottles which i think is essential for a modern xc bike. I have a Matt black Spark 910 and its an amazing bike but i have the same trouble with cleaning it. It always seems dirty, even on a ride that doesn't seem dirty.

[@brucehumphries6889]

Ceramic Coat from GTECHNIQ

[@michaeldevries2482]

Great vid! I love your comparison videos, you really communicate the nuances of each bike very well. Sure seems like Pivot is on top of game right now. Thanks for the excellent content!!

[@mtbyumyum]

Thanks! Yeah, Pivot nailed it on this new Mach 4

[@LanceR33]

I agree that they're both great bikes I'm a big fan of both manufacturers. Being that I own a ripmo and absolutely love it. I went with the EXIE. My bike shop was running 25% off on the exact same bike you have but in a large I couldn't pass it up. $4100 slx build and now they're giving a lifetime warranty on the frames which was a good move Ibis. You're right about the water bottles, even on a large frame. It's challenging running two. I'm ordering two magnetic twist off bottles which should remedy that?. Great channel

[@mtbyumyum]

Nice. Glad you were able to get one on sale!!

[@joelrunyan1608]

They make side exit water bottle cages... got one on my wreckoning.

[@iecrime]

Yup, the dropper is the best development in mtb in decades. I wouldn't get another mtb without one and I don't even bomb downhill anymore.

[@mtbyumyum]

Pretty incredible!!

[@petedog9581]

Quality tubeless tires and 4 piston disc brakes are the biggest game changers IMO.

[@iecrime]

@@petedog9581 I hear ya

[@mtbyumyum]

I'm just glad I was able to ride mountain bikes before disc brakes, tubeless tires and dropper posts... gives ya some good perspective and that's why I've always said, "its a great time to be a mountain biker" for anyone who was around before these knows what I'm talking about!

[@petedog9581]

@@mtbyumyum I started on a Trek 830 rigid in 1992. You certainly learn to choose lines or die, but modern bikes make me take lines now I would have never dreamed of taking. You guys were really dealing on these XC bikes... had to be 25+mph at times.

[@JasonLiske]

My biggest question is climbing tech: which one is most adaptable in terms of pedal positive when you’re climbing up, super chunder, in terms of seat angle and traction and a pedal positive response from the rear. I’ve been on flex stay, they buck you - which one is more like a tractor, crawler and adapts to techis climbs, as opposed to bucking you off line up rocks?

[@mtbyumyum]

Both will be wildly better than a single pivot bike in terms sticking to the ground and finding traction. I currently own a single pivot / flex stays bike and completely understand what you're talking about being bucked... I think of it more as the bike deflecting off the obstacle instead... That said, the Pivot is the clear winner here. Like a tractor!

[@JasonLiske]

@@mtbyumyum Much Appreciate 👊🏼

[@sgtkurry]

Interesting, I watched your first video on the Pivot Mach 4 SL and as an owner of both the Exie and Revel Ranger still made me want to buy the Mach 4 SL.

[@mtbyumyum]

haha sorry! lol

[@sgtkurry]

@@mtbyumyum Haha nothing to be sorry about. I enjoy a lot of your videos, make things cheaper for me since I tend to buy a lot of bikes.

[@venronux]

Hey Yumyum, Thanks for the vid. If you do a video comparing the Mach 4 SL to the T429, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the reach measurements between the two bikes, with the Mach 4 SL being 437mm (120mm fork) and the T429 being 460mm (size medium). How does this difference translate to ride feel? Should someone currently riding the size medium T429 size up to a large Mach 4 SL to get a more comparable reach measurement (462mm), or does the slacker seat tube angle of the Mach 4 SL balance things out? Cheers!

[@jasonquick7634]

I train my cables to go down 😮 You are in my prayers my friend!

[@edlorenz1552]

Great video Jason

[@mtbyumyum]

Thx!

[@cayennepeppa707]

Really great video. I love how much you dig each bike. It really came across well. It almost sounds like both bikes almost have the feel of hardtails with plush? Is that at all accurate? I love the feel of direct power of a hardtail, but love the plush. Bikes are crazy today. Thanks, Jason.

[@mtbyumyum]

Thanks! 👍 Yeah, both highly efficient bikes!!

[@ClarkWells7]

I've got a Ripley and a Blur... now considering just consolidating to the Pívot. I go back and fourth between the two all the time as I love them both. Maybe this Pívot will be the best of both worlds for me! Love the vids 👍🏻

[@mtbyumyum]

Right on! Good luck

[@steveridesxc]

Thanks for your videos. Would be interested in how you think a Santa Cruz Blur TR compares.

[@mtbyumyum]

Yeah, just dont have access to one…

[@ezclimb1]

I ride a Ripley. Love it. But have been looking at an Exie. Now you’ve got me thinking about a pivot. Putting that aside, what the biggest change from Ripley to Exie?

[@miketolin5621]

I rode a Ripley for a couple years and now I have an Exie. The biggest difference is Ripley is much more plush through rocky rooty terrain and the Ripley is slacker so going down steep trail sections feel much more capable. The Exie is lighter and more efficient so it wares you out less on long rides and is faster if the trails are less technical.

[@f1hotrod527]

Do you think the agjustability of the Stumpjumper Evo provides the same revolutionary change in bike feel as the flip chip on this pivot?

[@marksandoval5361]

I ride a STEVO and this bike is a total transformer. Slack out the geo, put on some aggressive rubber, soften the rear suspension and it transforms into an Enduro bike. Steepen the geo, put on some lightweight fast-rolling tires, firm up the rear suspension and it transforms into a Dwoncountry bike. I currently have mine set up in Downcountry mode and it's plenty sharp on easier trails yet still rails on the steep, rough, and fast.

[@mtbyumyum]

Sort of but the evo doesn't change the leverage curve of the shock... so no. Plus the SJ evo head set flip chip is far more difficult to swap...

[@f1hotrod527]

@@mtbyumyum I wonder if the new fuel EX is comparable. I believe that has an independent leverage curve adjustment.

[@kayakutah]

Sounds as though I'd pick the Yeti. I'm on a 2018 Trance. It's 115 out back and I've ridden hundreds of miles in Moab, with numerous TWE runs. It's amazingly capable, but I wouldn't mind dropping weight.

[@MrCkpcpi]

If you were racing in the Leadville 100 which one would you race? Thanks

[@JB-uw1pu]

👀

[@davidballesteros3635]

How does the pivot mach 4sl compare to the transition spur? You think the pivot could be used as a short travel trail bike?

[@mtbyumyum]

The M4 will be my short travel trail bike for this year.... I think it's great but I've been riding the Exie super hard for the past year... I think most people are over biked... and that's fine but I just don't think people realize how capable these little bikes are.. M4 > Spur

[@davidballesteros3635]

@@mtbyumyum i currently have a ripmo and a fuse. I am looking to replace the HT with a short travel trail bike. I also do a couple of long mtb races a year(I mainly race myself). Sounds like i have to consider the M4 . Thanks for the great content.

[@Japez85]

Awesome video! Any video in the pipeline for a T429 vs M4?

[@mtbyumyum]

Possibly...

[@moniquesimone418]

Hi I’ve had a Ripley now for a couple (three+) years and it was a great bike for Salt Lake, PC riding with the occasional Moab St. George trip. I have a Scalpel Si for long fast rides. Now I’m back in New England and riding is either technical narrow twisty turny or free ride park with big drops and jumps. I’m considering trading in my bikes for an Exie and a Ripmo. My thought is the Exie is a slightly plusher XC bike than the scalpel and the Ripmo will be more stable in the park. Thoughts?

[@mtbyumyum]

Yeah, I see where your heads at! Sounds like the perfect quiver if you ask me!! That was my set up most of the year last season and it was incredible! Call Chris at Salt Cycles and see what sort of package deal he can get you! Tell him I told you to ask for the special yumyum treatment!! 801-943-8502

[@BubbiePumpsIron]

I run a Ripmo V1 and a Exie out here in Colorado. Such a great combo - if I owned one bike, I'd split the difference with a Ripley.

[@ChadBroadwell]

Just curious on your suspension set up on the Exie. Are your fork/shock equipped with remote lockouts and then you’ve just removed the remote/cables and are running them open all the time?

[@mtbyumyum]

Yeah, I just don't like it and really never use it... although I think I'd keep it on the M4... it makes a difference on this bike.

[@mikefusaro8153]

Would you choose Exie USA over the Pivot. Does Exie USA feel stiffer than Exie for all?

[@briancopeland8039]

Facing a dilemma here: Pivot Mach 4 SL or Santa Cruz Blur TR? Both feel amazing from my limited test rides and I’m really torn. Thoughts?

[@mtbyumyum]

Sorry I can’t be more help, haven’t ridden the Blur yet. Good luck. Also, depending on your intended use, don’t overlook the Ibis Exie or more budget friendly Cannandale Scalpel

[@briancopeland8039]

Thanks anyway. I ended up getting the Mach 4. I haven’t gotten to ride it outside of a quick test near the shop but judging from your review and my limited experience I think I’m in for a treat!

[@wd99999]

How are you liking the Rekon / Rekon Race combo over the Rekon / Rekon?

[@mtbyumyum]

Rekon race is fast but very little braking power

[@jeremyrobinette2563]

Great review as always! Will there be a comparison between this and the Trail 429?

[@mtbyumyum]

Yeah that’s the plan

[@glpf5]

Thanks for the video, it was very informative. However, I would have liked to have seen the bikes ridden on a couple of rougher trails as opposed to just hard packed flow trails to get a better idea of their capabilities. Love your channel.

[@mtbyumyum]

Great suggestion! Thx

[@Clambelly]

How did you get bike weight down to 24 lbs. ? Carbon rims & crank arms ?

[@mtbyumyum]

Salt Cycles carbon "yumyum" wheels!! They're crazy light! Call Chris and order some! 801-943-8502

[@meanttobe22]

Hey Jason. What Enve bar rise and stem length are you running on the Exie?

[@madgtrgrhtrgrtgtyhrg]

Love the vid, great comparison of the two bikes. I had to chuckle at the end with the 150mm dropper being in the way. I can't understand why 175/180mm isn't the default at this point, the 150mm just doesn't get out of the way enough.

[@mtbyumyum]

haha yep... sad to say too cuz I would've given anything for a 150mm dropping just 8 years ago lol

[@mfa81]

Pro racers use a 100mm droppers, it’s only in the way for us that don’t have the proper skills to ride 😂 but I agree it’s sad that we still can’t chose dropper and crank length on full bike builds! This should have changed a long time ago

[@lb0538]

Now I own a scalpel 2022 but I am looking for a 120mm bike at front, I do slam the stem and have a very deep position. Because of this video I am considering the pivot and still the cervelo zfs5 which will come out soon. For me it is hard because most of the yt video’s of 120mm bikes are comparing them to trail bikes while i think you should compacte them to xc bikes especially the pivot match 4.

[@paulgrimage]

Any plans to review the Smuggler? I’m on a 2018 Pivot Mach 5.5 now. Smuggler, Shadowcat, Switchblade are in contention.

[@mtbyumyum]

Yeah, smuggler video coming soon...

[@samd6405]

Any long term issues with Ibis bushings instead of bearings? I’m thinking for a dedicated XC bike, the ibis is the way to go. But if you can only have one bike, then the Mach 4SL is the better buy.

[@mtbyumyum]

It’s hard to say. I’m not sure that one is necessarily better than the other. They just have different personalities and characteristics. Hopefully this video gives you an idea of their differences and you can pick the one that best suits your riding style and goals. 🤙

[@michael-ql1lf]

Awesome video, great bikes. How do you think the Revel Ranger compares to these two beasts?

[@mtbyumyum]

Similar but slightly more capable I would think... it's been more than a year since I last rode the Ranger. The CBF suspension is second to none. It's really really good! Would love to get more time on a Ranger some time...

[@TheJjyoung333]

@@mtbyumyum Would love review of Revel Ranger and how it compares to these two. My Ranger's rear suspension has blown me away coming from a specialized stumpy evo. I'm minutes faster on same blue type trails on my Ranger.

[@mtbyumyum]

Yeah, a lot of people just don't know.... CBF > just about everything else. Although I personally prefer the feel of Ibis DW link, I have to respect and acknowledge the magic of CBF and Pivot DW link right there with it... pretty amazing!

[@skinny8019]

If you can. Make it happen. Ranger review and compare to these bikes.

[@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae]

Ranger is a good bit heavier, but more like a trail bike in terms of capability.

[@billw_mtb3220]

Great comparison! Still seems to me that the Ripley is still the bike to have tho.

[@mtbyumyum]

Yeah but everyone's sick of me saying that so I had to come up with some new material haha

[@mfa81]

Exie fixed a few things compared to the Ridley, one of them is the super steep st angle, the exie is a more comfortable all day bike compared to the ripely, but not as flexible as the Ripley that can be built up or down depending on your goals

[@strenkp]

Had Ripley last year, on Exie this year. Depends what kind of rider you are. I`m Exie guy, but still sometimes I hit VERY hard trails with it, it handles them very much and in all other green-blue light black and pedally fire roads so much better option. Biggest difference is the geometry. 519 reach on XL, I feel much more comfortable and the Exie fits my body much better then the Ripley

[@johnnyballgame463]

Thoughts on Exie sizing for 5'9 with 31 inseam pants?

[@xandercl1819]

Do you think the exie is the better pick for a xc race build?

[@mtbyumyum]

Like I said, I'm not sure there's a "better" bike here... just different. The take away for me after a week on these bikes is the Exie feels a bit sharper so in that sense maybe you would think it's the "better" or more efficient bike for xc racing as efficiency is the name of the game in xc....

[@jasonw3287]

Great vid as always. Pivot cycles are geniuses ! I set up my T429 flip chip aggressive to be more upright but always leave it there. So good uphill and enduro version nice downhill. Wondering about flipping it.

[@gabeah]

I have the 429 enduro and between “low” vs “lower” settings after riding it a while I preferred “low”, which gave me a sharper steering feel , less front wheel flopping when climbing and better BB / pedal clearance.

[@mtbyumyum]

I changed the settings on the T429 and didn't really notice that much of a difference... not like this M4

[@TylerSmith-zy6go]

How do your YumYum wheels compare to the Reynold wheels on the Mach 4?

[@mtbyumyum]

The Reynolds are tank slappers... boat anchors in comparison seriously, more than a pound heavier. If you want to completely change the feel of your current bike, call Salt Cycles and ask for some yumyum wheels! 801-943-8502

[@TylerSmith-zy6go]

@@mtbyumyum I called and it sounds like they are WAO rims? Are they they the Berd version though or the Faction from WAO? I'm just trying to make sure I get the same rim inner width and depth you have

[@mtbyumyum]

Mine are 28mm id... not sure on depth. Berd spokes are the ticket tho! Mine are laced to DT Swiss 180's and came in at 1,091 grams!!! Scary light! I've not had a single problem with them after more than 1,200 miles.

[@TylerSmith-zy6go]

@@mtbyumyum Dang! Do you think that setup would feel flimsy on the ripley?

[@mtbyumyum]

I rode it on my Ripley.... was awesome. Maybe go with a slightly stronger hoop... mine are crazy light weight

[@RickyMinor-b4b]

How would these compare to Fezzari Signal?

[@AOL0321]

Jason, As always, another great review. Just curious if you are ever able to get a Specialized Epic or a Cannondale Scalpel for comparisons to these bikes?

[@mtbyumyum]

Should have a Scalpel SE soon

[@AOL0321]

@@mtbyumyum Just curious to see a test on the dedicated short travel XC bikes.

[@Clambelly]

I can only afford 1-bike. Should I get the Ripley, Exie or Mach 4 ? I live in Bozeman, MT trails are very similar to your location.

[@mtbyumyum]

Honestly, any one of those would be good... for me, the Exie and Mach would wouldn't be enough bike for me if I could only have one bike. I could maybe make the Ripley work as my only bike tho

[@brandoningersoll5034]

Xx Ripley for 3 years…bought a ripmo last year-nope-rode a T429 for a week (close but nope!). Mach 4 SL?? Let me know when I should sell the Ripley!

[@patrickwallen5065]

You should do a review on the Nukeproof Reactor

[@cycling_psychologist318]

If you had choose a bike for the BC Bike Race, what would you choose? Doesn’t have to be one of these two

[@mtbyumyum]

I really don't know the terrain for BCBR... I would feel pretty confident on just about any trail on either of these bikes tho. I would just swap tires depending on terrain.

[@mfa81]

Allied BC40, Blur TR, these two bikes, Epic Evo… lots of great bike can’t really go wrong with any

[@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae]

Maxima matte paint cleaner works wonders on matte paint! Just a tip.

[@mtbyumyum]

Someone else recommended Maxima SC1 high gloss coating... I think that's what you're talking about... I just ordered a can on amazon. Thanks!

[@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae]

@@mtbyumyum Its actually a different product, but that might work too. The one I mentioned maintains the matte finish, but cleans it up really well. The one you ordered is going to turn it shiny, might do weird things to the paint.

[@chadsperry853]

Try wizards matte paint detail spray on that ibis

[@moniquesimone418]

PS. I have always loved your videos and made my initial Ripley decision in part based on your reviews

[@mtbyumyum]

awesome, thank you!

[@jmsingletrack2914]

Jason, did you see differance in ride quality betweed US built and over seas built Exie?

[@mtbyumyum]

No difference.... I put over 1500 miles on the USA and about 400 miles on the For All Exie... they're identical and there isn't a person out there that could tell the difference in weight....

[@jmsingletrack2914]

Thank you, I have a Ripley thinking about adding the Exie.

[@cliffsangelsphotography]

Ripley. I choose you 🤙

[@mtbyumyum]

You’re not wrong!!

[@viktorhecht33]

Half hour to say buy the bike you like the color the most 🙈🤣 I like your reviews 👍

[@mtbyumyum]

Yep. I removed the lock outs for the fork and shock... meh. Don't need them.

[@bikebudha01]

would love to know the initial cost of the exie, and the final sale price...

[@mtbyumyum]

Good question. Call Chris at Salt Cycles and see what he would quote you on a similar build!

[@chadsperry853]

Did Dave get a patent on adjustable travel?

[@mtbyumyum]

dont think so

[@adamrlhi]

Can you compare to the newest Spot Ryve 115?

[@SWFlowseeker]

What do you think of the SL4 World Cup?

[@mtbyumyum]

Looks like a pretty race focused machine. I've not ridden it and it's not really my cup of tea... but dang, I'll bet it's fast!!

[@SWFlowseeker]

@@mtbyumyum Cool. Ty

[@kylemyles2965]

Im going to assume i am very late here, but have you sold that exie yet?

[@mtbyumyum]

Still have an Exie and love it. I also have the new Scalpel and Yeti ASR right now!!

[@frienduro24]

Yep. A true XC race bike has fork and shock lock outs. Less travel. You should do a compare that World Cup Pivot.

[@mtbyumyum]

too many other bikes on the list...

[@patseelyasi]

Do you think the Exie USA frame is worth the extra $2K?

[@mtbyumyum]

Maybe not... I've ridden them back to back and a lot of miles... I cant tell a difference... that said, I prefer the suspension on the USA...

[@patseelyasi]

@@mtbyumyum thank you. I’ll be coming from a small Ibis Ripley v4. I’m 5’5 and it’s always felt a bit small for me. Given that the old color Exie’s are currently 25% off I’m inclined to jump on it before they’re gone.

[@youbikewithatube]

Never bottomed out the Mach 4 SL…hold my Swig!

[@МаратМамедов-ф1ж]

two bikes good desing

[@jmsingletrack2914]

Jason ,just watched this again and cought the Berd spots on your yumyum wheels. Sure you know two gold metals were wone in Paris on Berd spoks. Can you speak to them a little, have ÿou done a video on Berd spoke wheels yet. Thanks.

[@HLDefender]

Mach 4 or SPUR ???? 🤔🙂

[@f1hotrod527]

I don’t like how ibis specs their bikes. It’s all or nothing. I wish they offered their best frames with mid level components. The excie usa would be nice if offered with performance elite level suspension and gx.

[@mtbyumyum]

Call Chris and ask for a custom build Exie... I'm sure he'd be happy to help! 801-943-8502

[@michaelglidewell1524]

You're so funny ... you do know that other bikes have "flip chips" and have had them for many years. Heck, Rocky Mountain bikes have like 9 settings for you to mess with. I get what you're saying about the Pivot Mach 4 SL but it's not a new idea. Just maybe they executed it better than most?

[@mtbyumyum]

haha yeah, I know... just saying I've never experienced anything like this. I've personally owned a Rocky Mountain Instinct with ride-9, Altitude with ride-4 and most recently Element with ride-4 flip chips... I've spent a lot of time messing with those and never have I felt a change like the flip chip in this M4. Remember, I also have a Stumpjumper right now and have flipped the chip in there several times... again, nothing like this M4. It's crazy!

[@michaelglidewell1524]

@@mtbyumyum my previous MTB had a "flip chip" and I flipped the chip and I could NOT tell the difference. So I know what you're saying. So it's not concept, it really is Pivot's implementation.

[@mtbyumyum]

Yeah, I think so... I really don't know enough about flip chips across all the different brands but I'm guessing it's the effect this particular shock bolt movement has on the leverage curve of this shock... also going from 115mm down to 106mm... this is the first I've heard of a flip chip doing this... unless I'm missing something?

[@chadsperry853]

Typically the flip chip is for ride height not travel. That's the difference, no idea on rocky mountain.

[@petedog9581]

Light, like sub 35 lbs., pedal assist emtbs are the future.

[@mtbyumyum]

haha true! and the new Pivot SL is bananas!!! Cant wait to get one!

[@evanring2021]

@@mtbyumyum if they would stop having motor problems they would be an okay bike but for now bottom of the barrel e bike

[@mtbyumyum]

Really? This is the first I've heard of this? The new light weight Pivot has motor problems?

[@mtbyumyum]

This one: global.pivotcycles.com/products/shuttle-sl

[@diorite81]

@@mtbyumyum it's Fazua firmware the problem, not Pivot itself

[@TomCollins-c4h]

Be nice if Pivot made a Mach 4 SL for all.

[@michaelglidewell1524]

XC build is the "for all" version. The Pro version starts at $8k as did the Exie USA. The World Cup is like $10k but an XC build with SLX/XT components is like $6200 on Pivot's website. Unfortunately that's the price of admission for these boutique brand carbon MTBs. Want it cheaper then you're going to have to go with the bigger name brands.

[@TomCollins-c4h]

@@michaelglidewell1524 Well I bought a Transition Spur a week ago and the paint chipped by the rear axle taking some of the carbon off with it.

[@michaelglidewell1524]

@@TomCollins-c4h I know the feeling, second ride on my $3k gravel bike I picked up a nail in the back tire and before I could get it stopped it stripped the paint and possibly some of the carbon fiber on the inner chain stay. That was 3 years and 4000 miles ago and I'm still riding it.

[@TomCollins-c4h]

They wouldn't warranty it; I would be careful getting a Transition. Can't recommend the brand.

[@TheHuester44]

Cannondale doesn’t seem to get the respect that other brands do .

[@mtbyumyum]

You should see Tyler on his Scalpel SE.... shredding!!

[@mikebrewer1346]

Agreed! The Scalpel SE is a great bike (I owned one) but is notably XC feeling (shorter reach and steeper HA), even compared to the Epic Evo that I replaced it with. That's not a negative but worth noting when buying (also a bit of a faff with Ai wheel offset).

[@brucehumphries6889]

If Cannondale wasn’t do proprietary with their bikes, you’d probably see more. I’ve never seen a Scalpel in the wild.

[@devincook3278]

​@mikebrewer1346 the new Scapel is a much different feeling. It's very slack (for an XC'er) and it goes down as well as it goes up. It's an amazing bike. The previous gen Scapel was much "racier".

[@mikebrewer1346]

@@devincook3278 I am speaking to the 2022 Scalpel SE. Slack for an XC bike perhaps (it is marketed as a short travel trail bike), but notably short and steep feeling compared to other similarly marketed bikes. Geometry and ride feel is more than the sum of the head angle.

[@skinny8019]

I know this is silly. But the inverted Trunnion mount sus makes me cringe.

[@mtbyumyum]

I think you can flip it if you want... Pivot was just trying to better accommodate the cable for the lock out...

[@boulderghost4457]

Its great for the lockout cable routing. You wouldn't even know its there unless you remove the shock

[@mfa81]

Ibis for me until Pivot give up pressfit and make it available for people to buy framesets, exie made in USA frames are available for the public and pivots are nowhere to be found even on older models. Yeti frames available, spec, ibis, even the reduced availability Santa Cruz frames can be found. Too bad both Ibis and Pivot were lazy with a single rear triangle instead of size specific chainstay, not what’s expected from high end mountain bikes nowadays don’t be lazy giving us a xs and xl with the same chainstay length

[@mtbyumyum]

I remember hearing an interview from Chris Cocalis recently about this new M4 and how the people at Pivot including the riders didn't see a need for size specific chainstays and that the DW Link help mitigate and stability issues with standard chainstay lengths... who knows?!

[@samd6405]

When changing a shock position by a few mm makes a world of difference, you would think rear end size specific geometry would also make a difference.

[@mtbyumyum]

Who knows, I'm no engineer... I just ride the bikes!

[@samd6405]

@@pebbleinspector covered under warranty?

[@brucehumphries6889]

You can get the new Mach4sl as a frameset

[@Marcus221179]

please the weight also in kg, for the rest of the world.

[@mtbyumyum]

Gotcha👍

[@johnlesoudeur3653]

Why are you shouting BTW? Nice review.

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

Sounds more like the Pivot is better, suspension should make it softer not harsh.

[@mtbyumyum]

For me suspension isn't really there to make it softer... I think of it more as adding stability and traction. In fact, some of the fastest riders I can think of run their suspension very stiff... the bike is safer at higher speeds with vstiff suspension to control compressions.

[@МаратМамедов-ф1ж]

but i dont like maxxis tyres

[@pcarts232]

The Pivot definitely looks better, the lines and the rear suspension just looks better from a design point of view but that’s just an opinion, like I had the Revel Rascal and it’s a great bike but it’s a bit heavy and the rear looks complicated, but that’s just my personal preference. I now own the Orbea Rise ( because I had a double Hernia operation so I got to take it easy) so what do I know 😂! Great review Jase both awesome bikes and the Pivot is like £12000 so it has to be good whatever anyone says !

[@mtbyumyum]

Sorry to hear… thats tough

[@pcarts232]

@@mtbyumyum yeah dude long recovery but it’s gonna be worth it to get back out there having fun on the Orbea ( with a bit of help from the motor) 😂🙌🏼🙌🏼👍🏾

[@pcarts232]

Get Parker on the Pivot dude ,” as long as it’s got a dropper he’ll say “ yeah I prefer the Pivot “ 😂🙌🏼😂😂👍🏾👍🏾

[@mtbyumyum]

Haha

[@greatdimitri1049]

Pivot is honestly garbage bikes. Ibis is 10 levels above.