Ice Poseidon: Autism, Misunderstood, Giving Control to Viewer

[@IcePoseidon]

Thank you Dr. K for the opportunity 🙏

[@reinterprets]

We love you bro ❤

[@riplex46]

That was such a nice share from you❤️

[@DaChips_]

❤️

[@MaulBrah]

love you paul you got this

[@sand5991]

your the best homie hehehehe

[@jenniferocious480]

“No amount of privilege protects you from suffering” Brilliant

[@Echo81Rumple83]

the part where he stated that anger is an emotion one usually feels if they're trying to not feel the hurt from it. that also hit home for me.

[@ericm6415]

Can confirm... 45yo, AUTISTIC "cis-white-male"... Undiagnosed until This Year... When you are part of the 2% of the population who unknowingly instigate a reaction of DISGUST from 85% of the Human Population, you might receive "special treatment"... but it sure as hell IS NOT PRIVILEGED. Trauma is no joke.

[@DylanHart8]

I can relate so heavily to going to Aspergers groups as a kid and realising the other kids there were way more severely autistic than I was. It felt quite lonely at times because it’s like you’re in a strange middle ground where you feel like you’re too “weird” to fit in with the “normal” kids but also too “normal” to fit in with the “weird” kids.

[@VoiceChattin]

Oh darn, I feel the exact same way. Sometimes I question if I'm really autistic. Since the others around me are way more severe, yet I don't seem normal either

[@Gandalf_the_quantum_G]

@@VoiceChattin yeah, got you. Feel exactly the same.

[@Rexcarsalot]

I had a very similar experience as well.

[@jonaskoelker]

> neither fitting in with the normal nor weird kids I guess you're not even enough of an "outsider" to fit in with the "outsiders".

[@insecticaa]

this!!

[@glumreaper8885]

Dr. K is so humble and subtle here. He helps Ice by showing him the meaning behind his facial expressions and by showing him the nuances of the language he's using. It's a master class on how to help someone with autism without being pedantic or patronizing.

[@agosesco7134]

This!! I hope i find someone like that to help me with social stuff. I related a lot with people not thinking I am genuine or people misinterpreting my jokes

[@danielandree3947]

@@agosesco7134 if someone doesn’t understand you, and doesn’t wish to take the time to figure out who you are, and why you are the way you are (not saying that in a bad way btw) they aren’t worthy to be in your life. Most people on the spectrum, are worth more to this world then the “normal” people. Just because you have an episode you can’t control, or you make an awkward joke every once in a while, doesn’t make you any less that anyone else bro, always remember that. You are special (in a good way, not in the R word way) just like how every last human is different, no two of us are the same, and we are all special. You however are even greater then them, because people that are on the spectrum, while they may be a little socially inept, or have episodes, they don’t judge people based on their flaws, and see humans how we all should see humans as, special individuals where no two are alike, and they never treat anyone in a demeaning manor. So while you may have some “issues” always remember it’s not an “issue” it’s just your unique personality, and you are worth more then most “normals” because you don’t judge people, you see everyone for their personality, and how they treat others, instead of pre conceived judgements based off of looks or intelligence or weight or skin color. So you are worth more then most 💕. Keep your head up, you will find people who love you for you, and you don’t need anyone that pre judges you because they have a view of what is “normal”, those people don’t even deserve your presence.

[@360Fov]

Agreed completely; I respect Dr K's ability to listen, not interject and not cast aspersions if they have no purpose. I'd personally be unable to hold back on certain views, I actually quite strongly disagree with him being diagnosed as such in the first place. I understand the conception that "autism is a spectrum", I don't dispute that - but the fundamental danger of mislabelling (and by that I mean applying a label overly critically) - that solidified Paul's childhood identity crisis, and the recurrent theme throughout is his lack of being himself (and therefore expressing himself authentically, not seeming fake etc.._). It's a success story with relatively minor collateral damage in the grand-scale, so it's kind of irrelevant but I wonder how much different things would have been if he wasn't put into this officiated category of being autistic and therefore a misfit by default. Would he have harnessed his intelligence to foster a true identity 15 years sooner? Would that have led to him being able to de-escalate the likes of Pimp? Who knows. This was way too long.

[@agosesco7134]

@@360Fov You can't know for sure if he isn't on the spectrum. As someone who was diagnosed I found myself relating a lot. Maybe it's not as severe but he has trouble understanding social cues, is sensitive to external stimulation and has trouble grasping his emotions, these are all autistic traits psychologist use to diagnose

[@watsons4233]

@@360Fov yeah as an autistic diagnosed as an adult, I’ll tell you I had similar experiences. And not being diagnosed did not change a thing. In fact it made it worse. The key thing that would have changed my experience would be understanding and empathetic parents. Most parents do not even have self awareness, how could they even have empathy for others.

[@Vexxed]

This definitely gave me a different lens to view Ice and his community through. A lot of what DR K brought up was really insightful. The way ice told the story of how his community took control of his life was super interesting.

[@gemik]

Hey Vexxed, I remember you lad, the first guy who actually showed his revenues on youtube. Hope life has been treating you well brother =)

[@Lychee_Witch]

Yo Vexxed tons of people hope you'll come back to creating content.

[@zaxko86]

VEXXED WHY EVEN PANDER TO PAUL??YOUR WAY BETTER THAN THAT..PAUL DIDN'T CARE BOUT YOU HE WAS THE ONE THAT GOT YOU CYBER BULLIED..DONT FEED INTO HIS PANDERING!!!BESIDES HE GOT PIMP EXPELLED!!!

[@hardowider5054]

North Korea really must be chasing Vexxed since he's been afraid to post any videos since.

[@leegee2811]

He was a 20 year old kid I did stuff I regret when I was 20 it just wasn't on camera he's a 26 year old matured adult that has learned from his mistakes don't you think twitch should give him a chance to prove he has changed

[@v3ralcar]

Funny, how other videos called like "Talking procrastination" or "Solving anxiety" and this one is just straight up "ICE POSEIDON". The man, the problem, the answer.

[@LlamaBG]

its because its not over yet and he doesnt know exactly what theyre going to talk about

[@oldboychano]

the titles are changed later.

[@donidewit]

@@LlamaBG It is not live though. It's the already recorded discussion that's being broadcasted live, premiere.

[@ACSCx]

@@LlamaBG It's recorded not live.

[@LlamaBG]

my bad

[@airheads1012]

I’m autistic and could relate to a lot of what he was talking about. A lot of autistic people go through the same thing in school or something similar. I wish I could tell him that he should try to talk to other autistic people because we understand each other a lot more than a neurotypical person usually does. It can be rewarding just to look at online autistic communities. I’m 17 and still have a lot to figure out and learn.

[@Nixsy924]

I Also have aspergers and i can wholeheartedly say I can relate to a lot of this, neurotypical people don't understand my outbursts and specific behaviors that seem strange and out of place. I'm 23 right now and i still have a lot to figure out but things have gotten better, trying to be more social but its for sure difficult as hell. I tell people that you know, typing or talking on the computer is easier because i don't have to make eye contact, eye contact is an instant killer of me being able to open up at all about anything or even have long conversations, but here on the internet it's 100% easier for sure.

[@mfpaint-j5s]

I'm not autistic, but I support you and wish you luck!

[@dictionplacement5467]

reaching 30 and barely discovered I'm on the spectrum it's wild how relatable all this is to me, online forums had me bursting into tears that I went this long in life not knowing blindly going through life trying to figured out why my relationships friendships and work life all around social life just bursts into flames and how people avoid me like the plague, it's only if people really get to know me they understand yet still people say something is wrong with me and I act so different. I wish I know all this or even had the tools you all have today.

[@MsBettermoon]

im also on the spectrum, and i can 100% relate to ice story and ur guys comments.

[@bobobsen]

I have ADHD and even though it's different it's on the same spectrum, and thinking differently sucks so much. Sometimes you do stuff you don't realize is hurtful and can't take back. Lost several good friends that way.

[@DailyTwitchLT]

I've been waiting for this upload since it was announced. Paul talked about his struggles numerous times but this one should be most in-depth analysis of his life.

[@feaneds]

Same this was so good

[@3miggie]

Hey daily nice to see you here :)

[@greatcesari]

He's a scammer.

[@TheProductofyourmind]

As a fellow autistic person, I find it really interesting to learn more about why neurotypical people consider us to be "egotistical" (or judge us in different ways) based on how we communicate. It's fascinating to me, because I would never pick up on those things myself.

[@mmm2121]

As an introvert i kinda relate on people calling me "egotistical", and that's probably because anyone who kinda doesn't speak to anyone or isn't comfortable speaking to others will make their peers think "they think they're too good to speak to us, so egotistical"

[@mmm2121]

they think the reason why we don't speak to them is because they assume we think we're better than them lol

[@TheProductofyourmind]

@@mmm2121 Why would they think that?

[@TheProductofyourmind]

@@mmm2121 oh! so you mean "too good for us" not in that they think you're better, but that they think YOU think you're better? As in, them thinking we're aloof, in a way? That makes a lot more sense.

[@Yujiro945]

@@mmm2121 call Paul Harvey doing I know that it’s been two years and late but I just want to know what’s the difference between introvert fitness and autism around the egotistical topic, or that if they are anxious to speak to people, people would think that there is a egotistical and unapproachable

[@skaels]

Respect for starting over bro. I've done the same, created a new self and left as much of the stress behind as I could handle.

[@almjosefm1444]

@@ezaf5989 😐

[@seancostello9631]

You don’t know who piss boi is

[@8-bitromance43]

@@seancostello9631 Cringe

[@noobiewatcherz9938]

When that person who pisses you off on purpose (doesn't matter what reason) and you want to punch his face but you can't because you were groomed into not punching people in the face ... that person is no longer there but you still have that feeling to punch a face. It takes a long time of self-adjustment , surrounding -adjustment , to get rid of that punch a face feeling.

[@megaultra5005]

he still seems and acts the same to me

[@adamcogan211]

Ice is one of the most misunderstood creators on the platform so I’m so glad Dr. K gave him this opportunity. The 7th/8th grade stuff was really upsetting and I’m amazed Ice is so strong to tell us all that. Much love and respect to both of you.

[@jamielarsen3749]

I feel the part where he says "I went to a school that didn't have the resources to deal with me". I don't have Autism, but I grew up with learning disabilities. My school didn't have the resources for kids with learning disabilities.

[@ren1724]

Things like this are implemented in our schools but the school has a professional come in and determine weather or not your child qualifies for a learning aid, diagnosis or not. A specialists can’t just refer a teachers aid but I’m glad there’s something there. The local school recently emailed all parents to ask for feedback ect each term/semester.

[@Sam-rk3ng]

Not like the school really cared, though. They couldn't even address horrible false rumours and mischaracterization of one of their pupils?

[@ren1724]

@@Sam-rk3ng in cases like that don’t students normally speak to the school councillor ?

[@khazms]

They kind of just put kids like that in a separate class with some teacher who has no idea how to teach.

[@ren1724]

@@khazms here the smartest are mixed into classes each year unless kids become a danger to others and it’s too severe.. but they’re given chances.

[@Lembardi]

After rewatching this again.......... I feel like we HAVE to have a Part 2. If only Dr. K knew the stories of his stream during its peak back in 2017 and 18...... he would be absolutely mind blown. Paul really is a streaming legend. & if there was a streamer Hall of Fame, Ice Poseidon would be a first ballot Hall of Famer. a true legend. Glad to see how much he has grown over the years.

[@rubenn7212]

What are the biggest things that happend on stream ?

[@CloakedMarine]

@@rubenn7212 look up his fear factor streams. ice is the person that made IRL streaming a thing.

[@berke2336]

SERIOUSLY. The RV streams were an absolute mental health study in themselves.

[@Deadshotv]

He pioneered IRL streaming, and unfortunately, pushed it to its limits.

[@kingpepe9211]

The father of IRL feelsgoodman

[@Christian-is4zq]

As a NT (neurotypical) that is married to a female with Asperger's Syndrome, this interview really hit hard. She's also from Florida and had extremely similar experiences to Paul. People really don't understand how hard it is trying to fit into a world that you can't understand because you think different from everyone else. The pain she felt when telling me her stories really resonated when hearing Paul talk about his.

[@Josh-tf9cr]

neurotypical, is that what they call low IQ people now a days? lmao

[@sheeko9961]

@@Josh-tf9cr whats wrong with you

[@Trancer006]

@@Josh-tf9cr and they often self diagnose themselves too lul

[@SketchYYLegenD]

@@Josh-tf9cr The fawk? Ever heard of Education mate?

[@dabbopabblo]

Heres to hoping they don't take more advice from him and scam a bunch of their innocent devoted fans

[@kellykilpatrick8363]

This stream made me realise a lot about myself. Thank you for the insight. I relate a lot and finally understand dark parts of my life that makes more sense. Thank you Dr. K. I would love to talk with you like this. It helps so much to see you work.

[@Acechao111]

A follow up talk with Ice would be great in the future. This was a really insightful talk.

[@channingpass]

Thank you for sharing the specifics of your childhood- Often times, when we face struggles, we tend to link them to the specifics and create a situation in our heads where we think that because of the specific situation we experienced, nobody will ever understand. When we hear of others' stories that are just as bizarre as our own, it allows us to have hope that we aren't as hopeless and weird as we thought. The truth is, we are all faced with personal bizarre struggles, and that's exactly what will bring us together, and we're not as alone as we thought.

[@simeongalda5988]

Really enjoyed how he talks, and brilliant storytelling and expressing things, lovely stuff

[@bubblesxo]

i remember i saw ice randomly in an elevator at a mall and i barely recognized him at first, but when i did i noticed how sad and down he looked. i’m used to smiling at strangers vice versa saying hi but he looked like he was unapproachable. aftee watching this i feel like that make sense now. must be exhausting to always be “on” for your job and act in ways that feel unnatural to you

[@frushaggy]

This was so good and really resonated with me. The section about apologies - that really rang true with me and I can see where things have gone wrong in my own life after hearing that. Same with the sense of identity and struggles around that.

[@johnmagus6341]

I wonder if Dr. K realizes his reach and how many people he truly helps. I know he's helped me a ton.

[@Muskar2]

@@johnmagus6341 Probably not exact numbers but since I think his mission is to help as many as possible and he was taken by storm by how much response he's gotten by his streams I'm pretty sure he has a decent idea of how he's affecting a lot of people.

[@paulschmidt8742]

I relate so much to the extremes of bullying that ice went through. I used to lash out with anger and break items at home all the time because I felt that no one noticed me. I was once attacked by atleast 7 to 9 people at one school hitting me in the middle of the school yard and I thought that I would die or pass out. I was once attacked in the shower room by someone whipping me with a towel naked in the shower floor. I used to be overweight and I was humiliated because of that.

[@who-n7e]

Hope you're doing well nowadays man, nobody deserves that. I can only imagine the despair and helplessness one feels in those situations.

[@galaxychar]

I’m sorry that you experienced that, I hope you have more support in your life now.

[@RigMaster_]

Damn that's really fucked up someone would do that to you

[@dictionplacement5467]

as a person who's been bullied repeatedly throughout my life, overweight and basically a mute which caused me to lash out. that feeling never quite leaves you fully. I know for a fact people like you make the best friends and if I witnessed that I would have had your back.

[@lauracas8135]

I am so very sorry you went through all that

[@tinkthetank_]

I clicked on this video not knowing who Paul was. I didnt think I'd watch and really listen to every minute of the video, but what was said really made me think and I'm glad I watched it. All the best Paul :)

[@SandroM_]

I'm so happy that you did this Ice, thank you Dr. K for talking with Paul Both of you, thank you!

[@xX_dash_Xx]

So many people tried to dehumanize this guy, thank goodness Dr K did this with him. Everybody is human and has flaws, hope twitch takes the stick out of their ass and unbans this guy

[@paulgotik]

It's internet and cancel culture for you. Everyone can aknowledge that he did stupid and bad things but the judgment that the internet imposes on you it's like he had his final judgment on his life. People acting like twisted gods.

[@Broomtwo]

@@paulgotik Not only are people playing God and condemning people like Paul to eternal damnation, these people never look inward and try to deal with their own personal issues first. Everyone seems to think they have the right to judge and throw stones at people, as if they have never made any mistakes in their lives. This stuff was figured out 2000 years ago, just read John 8:6-7 in the Bible. I wish people would be more humble, but it seems like our culture fosters people who are only out to "change the world" but never change themselves first.

[@alphaomega6023]

@@Broomtwo This is big Jordan Peterson energy. Bless you man. We need more of that.

[@amphetaminedaydream]

@@alphaomega6023 Jordan Peterson lmao

[@artv4692]

I mean I'm all for Ice to make a comeback but most of his career was dehumanizing others

[@DirtCobaine]

You know I definitely respect Paul as a human. Definitely misunderstood. I can relate, I have autism too and it’s like I’ve adapted so well socially, everyone always says they don’t see how I do or would’ve never guessed. Which sucks because I try really really hard to do simple everyday things and I struggle with them, and it makes me feel stupid or disabled. Even though I excel with certain things. Like to above-above average level with specific things. So I have been called a genius in school but I don’t feel like it because I struggle with everyday life.

[@emeraldforge6570]

you made the statement "that sounds wierd to me, to medicate mis-behavior" it was all too common in the early 2000s i was placed on medications at 6yrs old. it made me feel the same way, just zombie. and i too was always angry. only when i took MYSELF off of the medications at 12 did my grades, behavior and overall mental state improve.

[@TravisRiver]

So far (41 mins in) this has been heroic on Ice Poseidon's part

[@DailyDoseOfTwitchShorts]

Very interesting to see Ice Poseidon on here. He is without a doubt a changed man. I hope he continues to do good.

[@GorzFCD]

K kid

[@fab7423]

@@GorzFCD stfu

[@SonGokuuuuuuu]

@@GorzFCD stfu

[@madln5070]

@@GorzFCD stfu

[@ezu8501]

this was insanely beautiful. take care of yourself, paul.

[@greatcesari]

He certainly did at the expense of all his fans.

[@extrait8405]

seeing the ending of this almost made me tear up, Paul saying thank you and smiling made me smile and made me happy that he had a good time. hopefully he continues enjoying his streams and his life. much love and thoughts going your way paul

[@baked_fa5]

I wish I could find a Dr K IRL, every therapist is stuck in the old days or just doesn't understand the younger generation and all the stuff we go through

[@worlddivison3731]

100%

[@LordJeckel]

That's not true at all. There are tons of good therapists out there, you just have to find the right one for you. Not every one is stuck in the old ways.

[@eloelo6944]

Thats not true doesnt understand lmao... Half of the time they are just there for the paycheck and dont even care to understand

[@Zxvc2]

The childhood portion was excellent and I think gave a lot of clarity. Hopefully, we can get a part 2 to go more in-depth into his emotions developing into a streamer. Still a great session!

[@fab7423]

I find it so weird how many people hate hearing causes for behaviour. In the end we are all just a product of or enviroment.

[@ruppelspoopels]

@@fab7423 people believe it's running away from personal responsibility. Why, in many cases is used as a justification.

[@genericperson9301]

Im only half way through and so far this is my favourite video of dr k's. Big shout out ice

[@filip6577]

The king of Irl, forever and ever!

[@alexfitch2656]

In 2017, yes... not now.

[@Mazzolium]

@@alexfitch2656 so who is the current best IRL streamer? The last 2 years have been COVID so I can’t even think of one.

[@danielandree3947]

King of being swatted.

[@danielandree3947]

@@Mazzolium lollll amoranth (spelling?) Lmaoo 😂😂😂

[@BobsterTech]

was the king of irl*

[@Slickftw1]

Loved the part when he smiled when ice explained how that palm beach doctor changed his life and he looked forward to meeting him.

[@joshuastrickland5264]

I love your content but I cant binge it because it always hits me so hard. Please keep it up.

[@sarjupatel3779]

Watching this interview, I can definitely say this is not the same person who started streaming RuneScape. Proud of his self reflection.

[@GreenPartyHat]

Yup. He’s a new person. Hopefully twitch can see that and unban him one day

[@Crabbadabba]

@@GreenPartyHat They won't but who cares, a person's life is bigger than a creator spot on an internet broadcasting company.

[@Philllin]

i was bullied for years all throughout high school from being called "big head, ugly, fat" , being physically hit in the back of my head while sitting in class, getting kicked on my backside out of nowhere while walking to class and being name called/embarassed by the jocks of the school in front of everyone. I switched to many schools and still got the same results where people started bullying me, i thought something was wrong with me. I am 28 now and still have never dated or had a gf and don't have any friends due to low self esteem and low confidence about my looks. I walk around society these days having the feeling that people will mess with me and it makes me scared and anxious. I can relate to ice poseidon's story so much

[@ESPirits87]

Bullies are the actual ones with low esteem, in many cases they act out because of insecurities, kids suck in that way.

[@Viverq]

​@@ESPirits87 Yes, but the sad truth is that at the end a kid who was bullied ends up with bigger mental problems than the bully.

[@Tami-po3gr]

I’m sorry humans can suck so much. My hope is you find your people, find your happiness, & have fulfilling life. You’re not alone & incredibly young still. Don’t give up I have hope for people like us!

[@rasecinno]

I don't think i've ever seen Dr. K so into a conversation.

[@johnmagus6341]

Great observation.

[@nickcecil3510]

He was in his zone on this one 💯

[@ericka.montanez6821]

Paul keeping up as well, I’m pretty sure that wasn’t easy

[@multitablez]

i think because it was actual on the inside or internal of ice poseidon... most (not al) of the other ones beat around the bush, like "i have add" and not dealing with their core inside, but eith external things.

[@LetEmCoook]

I think because it wasnt live, and ice’s story is really interesting

[@crvstalfiction]

This was so fucking great. What a wonderful conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed empathizing through this and seeing Ice realize things with such weight.

[@flashlife8256]

Man, I have never connected with a person's story so much. I used to hate ice posiadon. Now I realize his experiences are just like mine, maybe that's why I hated him. Because I hate myself.

[@thehari75]

Thank you for your wisdom alan watts

[@LumpMietek1]

@@thehari75 I think Alan Watts would've liked Ice lol, he has the irreducible element of rascality which Watts seemed to treasure in people greatly

[@TURK_182]

Weird because that's why I liked him

[@MADNML]

Lol wasn’t expecting that ending, but you’re right.

[@BennyGoId]

Projecting your own insecurities onto another person is the first step to attaining "self-acceptance". It's all right, man. Everyone does it; you're not alone :^)

[@Tami-po3gr]

This resonates so deeply with me, my children & their life experiences, and our life in general. My heart goes out to Paul. I have so much respect for him and his innate ability to survive such hard things. He continues to persevere despite it all. I appreciate him leaning into this, his transparency, vulnerability, & rawness. This has helped me in profound ways. It’s not something I can fully articulate today, but, it has. My children will have a better life, because of this inside look into his life, lived experiences, his mind, & mostly his heart. Thank you Paul. I hope you benefit from this 10x over. You deserve it.❣️

[@MrBrax]

One of the best talks I've heard

[@ur-mom-gay]

this is gonna be fun

[@chicohh]

Literally when I about to click this video I said the same thingxD

[@jesperj3118]

What Ice explains about the school situation "paying a price in order to make people laugh". In one way I can see how Twitch had the same affect later in his life. History repeat itself as the say. I know from my own experience I had to break negative patterns I did not know i suffered from. Hopefully Paul can find peace with himself. Great as always Dr. K!

[@matthewrichardson2271]

It makes a lot more sense now how Paul attracted some of the worst bullying of a streamer. The worst elements can smell the biggest targets. I appreciate Paul being open about things so much of the time. I hope he can find a path that is more fulfilling and free of these horrible people.

[@Bradarex]

i was glad to know more about ice , felt real and was a good session

[@Dindonmasker]

That was a great interview! I had heard of him before vaguely but i really liked hearing his story from his point of view! Also as someone who is very introverted and most likely on the spectrum or asperger's (not diagnosed) i can see and understand some challenges he faced when starting twitch and gaining popularity.

[@fhumble1132]

I never used to watch Ice back in the day but this dude is definitely on the Twitch Mount Rushmore. They did him dirty.

[@Mike-ym1cg]

Single handedly blew up the IRL category.

[@James-ki2tg]

@@Mike-ym1cg He basically created it, there was no IRL section back then. He used to stream "IRL" through Pokémon GO when it was first blowing up. Ice definitely doesn't get the props for what he brought to live streaming as a whole...

[@mazi1597]

I feel like Ice doesn't get enough credit outside of IRL, too. His runescape and vr streams were hilarious as well

[@spencechan]

"they did him dirty" We're sort of glossing over the misogyny, racism, toxicity and degeneracy consistently featured on his streams, not just by his chat but by him. Every time one of his clips would show up in a compilation, you knew you would feel gross afterwards. Everywhere he went, his chat would call local businesses and make threats or spread rumors. They'd say "watch out for the guy streaming, he wants to stream himself going on a shooting spree". His public streams were objectively a nuisance, Twitch didn't really have a choice to put an end to it. I'm glad he's changed, but I remember who he was and what he was

[@fhumble1132]

@@spencechan Yea his chat might have been the most toxic thing on the Internet, but I think that wasn’t totally his fault. But again I’ve never really watched his streams so I don’t know. I just remember somebody walking up to him while he was eating at a restaurant and spraying him with a fire extinguisher lol that was probably one of the few streams I watched. I think he kinda encouraged certain behaviors from his chat for content and then it got out of his control real quick.

[@ThaNinjazTube]

This was one of my favorite videos from HealthyGamer. So insightful and both of you were so reflecting.

[@BuddhismHotlineTV]

I can relate to Ice Poseidon and his struggles more than a lot of people can and I’ll say that the mainstream doesn’t understand the effects of toxic communities on streamers, it can have dire consequences on mental health if not managed, this is why Etika went through it and why we need to be better.

[@shinren_]

never forget the joyconboy ;(

[@protix9880]

JOYCON BOYZ

[@loltronix6861]

reminder that you still blacklisted me on youre channel without no reason

[@pricklycatsss]

I cannot emphasize enough how strongly I relate with his high school experience. Like almost identical to mine.

[@mcpastore]

Their hairlines are exactly the same throughout and I can't stop staring at it.

[@codeblack9170]

Now that I read this I can't stop looking at that

[@DeHyntonGaming]

lmao

[@Dimsummmmm]

Pretty much

[@JOESPH_MOTHER]

glad I wasnt the only one

[@Scias]

They even change gradually in the exact same way and rate

[@vegangainzhue4548]

I love Ice, haven't watched him in years, since the Runescape days. But I love this kid. He was different

[@YeahManRecords]

Straight up respect Paul for doing this, My younger brother past away this time last year..suffered very badly with mental health. Props to DR K for being open arms. x

[@marissaleclerc4025]

Dr. k idk if you read these but thank you so much for your work! it has helped me tremendously and pointed me in the right direction, as someone that can't really afford therapy or a therapist, THANK YOU!

[@poleritude6222]

This is yet another guest that I relate to a lot, and seem to have had some like experiences, especially in youth and through HS years. I certainly agree with the view that generally the lack of understanding or just flat out lack of caring was pretty ubiquitous when it came to to any of my issues or thoughts. Though it really isn't surprising that in any given situation the concerns, focus, and solutions will tend to be geared towards the stakeholders with power and agency. In this case problems will be addressed to meet the parents concerns, and the various stakeholders that can/are causing the parents difficulties.

[@ESPirits87]

the powerful voice caught me off guard, didn't expect that.

[@lockelamora4184]

One of the best talks yet. Redoing/updating old "pictures"/memories to fit an updated/healthier outlook is so damn key. As well as show casing Dr. Ks bs radar, I knew when he let out that giant yawn something was up lmao.

[@murr395]

too bad you imagined the connection though, Dr K has said numerous times that yawns are typically completely unrelated to the talks going on, "you can go ahead and yawn bro, it's okay"

[@hansonel]

That part stood out to me also. Was also wondering if that yawn was a spur of the moment empathy test.

[@iii3931]

Thank you for doing this its nice to finally have some insight into my fav content creator rather than watching videos where other ppl are just reading out stuff on the internet. We love u ice

[@nothingiseverperfect]

Dr.K is so good at speaking. Ice Poseidon’s community brings similarity to what Etika’s community. I think both their communities took advantage of them when they were showing serious signs of depression and sorrow. I wish Etika was around so he could talk to Dr.K amazing video.

[@KARR]

so true

[@nothingiseverperfect]

@queerdo etika's audience trolled him when he was depressed on stream showing signs of suicide and being manic ice posiden would break down on stream and get trolled by his chat and reddit , in addition, he almost had no privacy from his audience. you were probably the one doing the trolling in both instances if you can't recognize both people were victims to a toxic community

[@Bluezexmas]

@queerdo "Can you name any place on the internet without trolls? Can you even show they were part of his community?" -queerdo. top 10 contradicting statements.

[@gastonzumbo9860]

@queerdo homie if Etikas community wasn't so messed up he wouldn't have killed himself, stop huffing copium just because you liked him more than ice

[@gastonzumbo9860]

@queerdo bro did you watch the streams in which he was having manic episodes in his house and chat was being awful to him or what? this is something pathetic to gaslight people online over

[@AhNeeMay]

i wasn't around the scene when Ice was a thing. This right here has made me a fan. You can tell he's such a genuinely nice and caring person, and he deserves so much respect for surviving and even prospering through what he's dealt with. he's genuinely changed from the old days, i've heard a lot of what he's done years later, but they aren't the same two people. big up Ice, and big up Dr. K, you're an incredible human being and an exemplary role model.

[@JimmyW00ip2]

lol

[@EacanVisualArt]

you will wake up soon lol

[@benztruck1936]

It was some of the best if not the best entertainment I've ever seen and I'm 35. Try to find the rv trips to watch and his time in LA.

[@AurforeRhodontis]

This dudes grabbed a trans woman's crotch on stream "just to check" - people can have complex lives and still be awful people. The woman he groped was Grimoire - she dropped to the ground trying to get him off of her. People have got to not look at these videos as redemption arcs

[@benztruck1936]

@@AurforeRhodontis Coz Grimoire is normal.

[@linglingyh]

idk if this is because i have adhd or not but - when he said. "imagine waking up in 10000 years and being the only person, thats who you are" i was briefly awestruck and literally gasped from the magnitude of the isolation and felt everyone i am melt away, but then at about the same time, was envisioning myself having made a wilson (from cast away) and feeling a strong sense of knowing i'm going to have a long complex relationship with a tennis ball, all while imagining myself stammering around on mars because he said the world was destroyed and i got out of the tank somewhere

[@gaugea]

same but i also have adhd so idk

[@computer6142]

I really enjoyed hearing Paul talk about pretty much everything here. It gives a lot of good insight in to why things played out how they did. I've always liked Ice, like he said it was his quirkiness in social interactions that made him entertaining but I always saw some of myself in him in a way. The way the community treated him and kind of took advantage of him is terrible, for awhile he could not go ANYWHERE without getting calls at restaurants or even sometimes workers/general public he would interact with getting doxxed and harassed. Even throughout the bad there was good deep down. I always remember a time where Paul was approached in a coffee shop(I think?? or similar establishment) by an autistic boy and his mom. The kid was pretty shy and didn't say much but his mom was like "hey my son is a big fan blah blah blah" and it became apparent that he may not have actually known who Ice was but just that he was a streamer. And You could see kind of a demeanor change with where Ice turned in to Paul for a minute and had a nice interaction with the kid off/away from the stream. It seemed clear that in that moment at least he made a conscious decision to not show the kid on stream or even much of their conversation. It just always felt like Paul saw that this was a moment that didn't need to be seen by the community because of how they would have treated the kid and I always appreciated that. I might be remembering most of this wrong as it was years ago. Of course there were many more times where that same level of situational awareness could have been employed but seeing it that one time was enough to convince me that Paul at least TRIED to be a good person despite whatever mistakes he made. This moment just always stuck out to me. Love ya, Paul.

[@MgnIAnm]

I agree with just owning how you really feel and not be sorry for it. Man have I been through shit but it was part of the whole package. I only regret hurting people, but the misery I experienced and the stupid shit I did goes along with the unmeasurable amount of fun and enjoyment. Saying sorry when its due is important, but it's also important to recognize that learning from our past selfs shouldn't discriminate the good or the bad.

[@izJordyGaming]

dr k: why would you get banned on twitch if someone swatted you, i'm confused? exactly, i've been wondering the exact same thing.. nowadays twitch is filled with sexual sugesstive content and other dog shit and dude gets PERM banned for a hatewatcher swatting a streamer, literally giving all the power to that hatewatcher.

[@TheZorkas]

at that point it's not about punishing the streamer but instead just removing the ability of the person who called the swat to cause any more harm. it's obviously incredibly heartbreaking for the streamer if this happens because it's not really in their control at all, but i do understand it from twitch's standpoint as well.

[@parkerthomas88]

I remember the stream clearly. He was goading viewers into it. Like "nah you won't do anything" So at the time I would say it was deserved. Currently I think he should be unbanned from twitch. He has learned and matured a lot.

[@izJordyGaming]

@@TheZorkas how does perm banning ice poseidon stop that person from swatting him again or any other streamers they dislike to get them banned? the only reason twitch banned him is cause it went on the news and was bad publicity for twitch as he was at that time the biggest IRL streamer.. but all these sexual suggestive booby hot tub streamers is Just as bad publicity for twitch.

[@GorzFCD]

@@parkerthomas88 k kids

[@matix676]

@@izJordyGaming Twitch approves these sexual suggestive booby bubblebutt hot tub streams, because it makes them a lot of money, as ridiculous as it is. They don't care about the integrity of the platform. They don't care about fairness of bans (I'm not talking about Ice Poseidon case, because he clearly was bad PR for the platform, which wouldn't be a problem if he was hot tub streamer that brings huge profit for Twitch), so their bans are just unfair for many people. The reason for unfair bans is also inequality of streamers (Twitch thots will get MUCH better treatment for same offense than some "normie" streamer).

[@gastonzumbo9860]

jesus, Paul's story with streaming sounds like a Black Mirror episode, i never knew much about the guy but that was a wild, WILD, ride

[@x217a6]

That's what I thought.

[@hsk1778]

most people would not be able to endure the things ice did as well as he has. pretty inspiring stuff.

[@ReformedJerry]

Ice was living like a literal superstar during the prime irl streaming days. Was it toxic yes, but what a damn few years to experience having stream snipers in real life swarming you and the most hated man in the twitch community.

[@McNuuuuggggiiiieeeessss]

Prime content

prime days it was, i miss em

[@Wynnita1]

He put people lives in danger with his antics. No way would Amazon / Twitch put their platform at risk or up for litigation. He proved himself time and time again to be untrustworthy. why should everyone else's livelihood be put at risk? Ok sure if he went and got millions of followers to bring to the table, 'maybe'. But just an open armed, come on back you've grown up. Hell no. It will be on protected terms of the platform

[@jojojoestar7869]

@@Wynnita1 the same people saying that “Amazon/twitch wouldn’t put their platform in jeopardy” are the same people who watch and support the hot tub streams.

[@ChristinaIcewielderThisChris]

@@jojojoestar7869 because people in hot tubs is the same extent as racism and harassing strangers on a streaming platform.

[@nnn6054]

Ice is literally one of the most misunderstood people online. Hope this sheds light that he isn’t a bad person or toxic like what people try to spread online CX

[@EliasOwnage95]

@john cena who tf cares

[@EliasOwnage95]

@Fatcheeks64 tru

[@8-bitromance43]

He's done some pretty toxic shit throughout his career, not half as toxic as the hundred or so special cases that never really fully moved on though.

[@DuckyVanya]

Paul was toxic and arguably a bad person (what makes someone a bad person is extremely subjective). He's not anymore, but pretending he wasn't is just delusional.

[@TheXeeman]

@@DuckyVanya what toxic stuff did he do? Just curious

[@gnaals]

Ice was/is such a great content creator, he will go down in streamer history as one of the greats, a true pioneer in IRL

[@Suyihai0]

I still remember Ice as the guy closing doors on runescape... It's still insane how his story turned out

[@ParallaxHearts]

This was great, thank you both. I really enjoyed his content for years but was afraid to interact with that community. He's matured a lot

[@RabY0]

This one helped me a LOT. Thank you so much Dr. K & Ice Poseidon. Paul, I don't really know you as a content creator, but you sharing your experiences have been very helpful.

[@davidhenderson2022]

This was really wholesome and honestly brightened my day to see ice still doing his thing

[@notbrad4873]

I live in Quebec and our French schools literally tried to put me and my brothers in the "special class" because we were code switching and they read into that as we were 'slow'.

[@haunts3479]

XQC XQC ELLO XQC

[@griffinrichmond3442]

Lmao start doing online school now and graduate before the rest of your class and take a long summer

[@notbrad4873]

@@griffinrichmond3442 I graduated college 10 years ago. I'm lucky my employer is paying me full salary to do full-time French language training. Better late than never. Also I discovered this happened to kids all over Quebec. Huge failure of the provincial school system and the government.

[@MattIsLoling]

wow the day has finally come Cx

[@ayoubelkhaloui8097]

TriHard ?

[@AltijdJoost]

TriHard 7

[@onlyws3033]

Wym bra he went to a therapist for a stream a minute ago.... pretty sure he was s-worded but that’s besides the point

[@jacobfogle1867]

Thanks for sharing Ice. I was recently diagnosed and can related to a lot of what he said in this interview. I did not care for ice before but after hearing his story he gained a new fan.

[@Lembardi]

This was the session I've been waiting on. Thank you Dr. K. Love you Paul. Cx

[@2bad4uman]

This is one of the most important conversations I think Dr K has had. I'd love for the day to talk to him. Your boi has a lot of baggage to unpack that I think a lot of people deal with.

[@MichiruEll]

Very early in the video and I suddenly understood more intimately why certain people require content warnings. There were maybe some at the beginning of this vid, but I never pay attention to those, cause I thought I did not have topics that affect me too much. Turns out I do. Also I'm so sorry this happened to him.

[@truthlightway]

What the actual heck???? I dont know ice poseiden, but his childhood was crazy!!! He tells it so casually. Literally breaks my heart!

[@faceofdead]

One of my best friend in on the spectrum. He was bullied in school, he often gets concentrated on something and cannot get out (a girl is his life/ something else needs to be his life). He is very good in finding ways to keep me near him, most likely cause he is afraid of me leaving. People need to be VERY patient in such cases.

[@Matthew-wg1cf]

You seem like an amazing friend for him to have

[@Doomed667]

I think it is paramount for all of us to remember that we will undoubtedly make mistakes, and we should give each other room to learn from those within reason. It is easy to judge, I would rather seek to understand. Stay strong Ice.

[@ArtisanYT]

Now with his newest "stunt" Its sickening reading all the support in the comments from when this was released. It doesn't matter how traumatized you are or what you've been diagnosed with, stealing a cool ~300,000 from your lower income fans that stuck with you through thick and thin is psychotic. He has had plenty of time to reflect and rectify the situation but nope fuck'em was what he decided.

[@MementoDespair]

@@lucasjsnyder he has autism

[@glanni]

@@lucasjsnyder He can both, be autistic and be a bad person. It should not be an excuse, and he should be held accountable in such a situation, regardless of WHAT it was that made do it.

[@barrycollins795]

I don’t Blame him to be honest his fans are scum

[@benimagine1377]

you can have empathy for someone who commits a crime. in fact, that actually helps solve the problems that lead to such behaviour. this guy is talking about being half rap*d at a very young age you cant close your eyes on that.

[@ArtisanYT]

@@benimagine1377 okay yea but being r*ped isn't a get out of jail free card, obviously a traumatic and shitty thing, but not an excuse.

[@tcgaddiction2418]

I'm so appreciative of this channel, can't really put it into words. Describing something fucked up and laughing about it while someone else is shocked is super relatable.

[@Sir_Billions]

I recommended interviewing Ice about a year ago. Glad to see this. Thank you Dr K and thanks Ice for coming!

[@RobertRindik]

Thank you, Paul and Dr. K. Thank you for this.

[@jpo8920]

Yoo I was a massive ice fan back in the day, even flew thousands of miles to snipe his Amsterdam stream lmao. I can't wait to watch this!

[@farhantejani8287]

I loved the suffering and privilege conversation. You really can’t compare suffering between two people! There are too many factors in play and it’s too difficult to quantify. Whole conversation was fantastic though!

[@srdodem]

"If i could do anything to avoid feeling shameful, i would " LMAO

[@kailashbtw9103]

Man, pauls childhood sounds so much like mine.... in truth, we were rejected by a dysfunctional school system because we were not neurotypical.

[@jcm7624]

i really hope he is doing okay, this guy changed livestreaming content forever whether you like him or not, his effect on the industry still shows today

[@Jact1999]

I'm only an hour in but this guy is literally a hero to me now. Thanks for sharing Paul

[@pewpewpewpew6124]

I've been watching Ice for a couple years & while he's not been the best person, most honest person, & is sugar coating a lot of the stuff he did in this interview, he doesnt deserve what he's gone through. He's been physically assaulted several times, he's been swatted like 40x at least guns pulled on him, viewers have put him in some sketchy situations trying to get him killed, they've gone after his GF, family etc. Also I've seen him change over the years & 100% believe he suffers from PTSD which has not been diagnosed.

[@mazi1597]

tbh i think it's fair that he haven't been honest with his viewers back then. like, imagine having your whole life on blast, it must be super taxing to keep up while everyone expect certain things etc. considering ice's upbringing, it's not weird that he got a lot more toxic with the edgy content as that was what the viewers wanted back then. I just find it hypocritical that people hate on ice while simultaneously religiously watched him

[@fab7423]

@@mazi1597 Also people don't seem to understand that some of the parts they hate the most about him are things he does because of aspergers and the understanding of social interaction he had.

[@pewpewpewpew6124]

@@mazi1597 Well it's more than that, the hate originated over the hundreds of thousands in donos the community gave to him, in return Ice acted entitled, rude, cheap, irresponsible, dishonest, people also felt he used people & treated them poorly. Eventually the justified hate/criticism got out of control, turning into a bunch of lies by the toxic part of the community & extended into his personal life & that wasn't right.

[@pewpewpewpew6124]

@@fab7423 I think its very difficult to tell he has asperger's, some people think he's a sociopath/narcissistic, people either believe him or think he's pulling a fast one on everyone. I will say he does seem "different", I've seen him in many situations where he's oblivious to social cues, I've also seen him in many streams where people broke mentally but he was somehow just going along, it ain't normal.

[@fab7423]

@@pewpewpewpew6124 Also a lot of peole hate to see it and just ignore it because they'd have to give up their pre consived notions. It's the same with a lot of personality disorders people want to hate the people who have them, but fell like they aren't allowed to which makes them even more angry.

[@matthewrichardson2271]

The section around 40 minutes or so really showed what Paul has tried to communicate to us about him learning about emotions. He really did an amazing job to be out there and performing for his audience in the past where we couldn’t see how he may process emotions differently from other people. This was very good. I just hope it is useful to Paul and not just all of us living vicariously through him like he is the biggest reality show ever.

[@Manu-zk8eo]

I came back here to this interview after watching the video of coffezilla about Ice Poseidon scamming his followers for 300k with a shitcoin. Personally, I think both interviews give a way bigger picture of the person. It is just sad to see what he was willing to do to his fans for money...

[@Hrithmus]

Man. What a good video. Been a fan of Paul for over 3 years. Knew some of this stuff but not most of it. He really opened up. The G.O.A.T of IRL and the one who put it on the map. Without him, going live on KZbin, donating with text to speech, etc put a lot of opportunities for others. I hope Paul feels proud. Truly

[@eminemthekiing]

RV1, RV2 and the switzerland stream are still by far the most entertaining stuff i have ever watched.

[@YogaFlameTV]

Ice is the IRL legend and creator , put respect on his name 👏