If boxing treated kickboxing the same way BJJ treats MMA

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[@kburton531]

He'd be a millionaire doing voice overs lol

[@RamseyDewey]

Is this a job offer?

[@SpencerG59]

@@RamseyDewey get on fiverr😂

[@TheKickboxingCommunity]

@@RamseyDewey Not gonna lie. You sound radio-ish

[@LoneStarVII]

Would've been great on Avatar

[@Black-Moustache]

@@JamieReynolds89 Truest comment ever. Sheeeeeeeep 🐑

[@dorkangel1076]

I remember watching a kick boxing match once and one of the guys was an impressive kicker. Part way through the round though I heard his corner shouting "Thats your kicks done" and he pretty much boxed the rest of the round. I think they competed under a ruleset where you had to throw so many kicks per round. It was interesting that he preferred to box even though he was a very competent kicker.

[@RamseyDewey]

That was an old American kickboxing rule. You had to throw a certain number of kicks above the waist per round back in the day.

[@dorkangel1076]

@@RamseyDewey Hmmm, gives away my age a bit. Nice to know my memory of it was correct. :)

[@RamseyDewey]

@Andrew Onymous American kickboxing was originally called full contact karate. Before they added the high kick minimum, the fighters would mostly just blitz each each other with punches, and amateur boxers were beating all the karate guys who didn’t box. The high kick minimum rule was added for a couple of reasons: 1. to make the sport look different from boxing. 2. to ensure that the full contact karate fighters had to have some actual karate skills. 3. The fans were super disappointed at how little kicking there was and they felt like they were watching bad boxing matches. I don’t remember when they got rid of the high kick minimum. When I competed in American kickboxing in the early 2000’s it wasn’t a rule anymore.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

I grew up watching kickboxing on NBC back in the 80s. Don “The Dragon” Wilson and Benny “The Jet” Urquidez were my favorites. Even today Wilson is still wanting to get back in the ring for a few fights and he’s 67 years old.

[@danny4081]

I love kicking and do it a lot more than punching, but when I spar or fight I find myself very boxing heavy and not kicking as much. 🤷‍♂️

[@musicsdarkangel]

This is so true. I’m so glad that I focused on boxing after having learned kickboxing. I know that I will return to Muay Thai way stronger. That said, boxers used to come to my kickboxing gym and would get frustrated because we would just teep them away 😂

[@badm.d]

Personally I found most of.boxing poorly transfers to muay thai, for power it's really good, but suuuper bad habits for muay thai. A top muay thai fighter would still drop most boxers, this is just a weird American opinion cause they do t throw elbows knees and low kicks, if you throw these things then boxing stance and boxing defensive techniques is super weak

[@KevinS7300]

@@badm.d drop them wit kicks to the leg and body maybe but u can’t compare a top class boxers hands to a muy Thai striker, if no kicks were allowed most top muy thai guys would prolly get embarrassed

[@verclinlopez4722]

@@badm.d it's kinda common knowledge that boxers have no below the belt defense or offense.

[@Ben-fx9kx]

@@KevinS7300 come on that's like saying if bjj guys couldn't do locks on you they'd be embarrassed. You're taking away an essential part of the Muay Thai guy's arsenal

[@fizziz_1035]

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[@stainstudio9518]

I learnt kick boxing and felt that i lacked boxing experience. I then went to learn boxing and out boxed my kick boxing colleagues.

[@urstruelytarun3845]

That’s good path bro, kickboxing and muaythai kills boxing skills

[@billcipher3946]

@@urstruelytarun3845nah you need boxing to add to Muay Thai

[@kanerobertson7930]

During my time training in MMA my boxing was always something I was self conscious about and an area I was clearly lacking in. After a short while boxing it became clear that it was becoming my favourite aspect of fighting.

[@bigmanbarry2299]

Absolutely loving these 1 minute clips. Dropping gems in digestible quantities

[@WillJM81280]

If you have the attention span of a child, yes. Adults can watch longer videos to learn things.

[@B1752]

Smitty?😮

[@haydenglendenning4305]

The same goes for thai fighters, most who are at the top level have amazing boxing. It's no secret that your hands are the fastest and most reliable way to knock someone out.

[@acme-1889]

Yeah Saenchai also have boxing victories

[@badm.d]

This just inst true. Sorry to tell you, but a couple top thai guys show trad boxing, form but very few do. The hands also result in a lot less knock outs than feet knees and elbows in muay thai. Even buakaw slightly resembles a hand heavier boxing style, but still has very little resemblen with real boxing style

[@s-saad7401]

Most Thai fighters at the top level have amazing kicking techniques which is why they are top in the first place. Being good at boxing doesn’t help at Muay Thai as much as being good at kicking and kneeing.

[@s-saad7401]

@@acme-1889 saenchai used to be Muay mat I heard which are fighters that primarily use boxing and leg kicks. But honestly what made him rise to the top isn’t staying Muay mat, but transitioning into more kicking exchange style fighter (Muay fimeu) and sweeping opponents.

[@haydenglendenning4305]

@@badm.d in that sport maybe yeah. However among world wide statistics the hands is the tool that has the most knockouts. Is all I mean having good hands in thai yo set up your kicks isn't a bad thing.

[@raphaellopez9290]

Greatest Muay Thai Fighters of all time Seanchi, Samart, Bukaw and best UFC strikers all have boxing back grounds. 80% of all knock outs in Kick Boxing and UFC are by hands

[@raphaellopez9290]

@@Deniz-Piano you're missing the point all plus all good leg kicks are set up with boxing

[@HussainAdz5106]

When I did Muay Thai for a bit my coach would always say if hypothetically you wanted to compete with Thai fighters you should have great boxing skills as their kick game is on another level Basically outbox them rather than out kick them

[@pullupthen5073]

During my short (and not very successful) amateur boxing “career”, I trained part time at a kickboxing gym. I never seriously got into it, but always liked watching the dudes spar. I learned a lot about Queensberry rules boxing from American, Dutch, and Thai style kickboxers

[@Thawhid]

Ha

[@Taekwon-Brando]

Love these short segments and I love to train boxing about every other day! I could watch boxing matches for hours

[@crodd92]

Even the 6 months of boxing I had combined with all my other martial arts helped me out tremendously. Not just the punching but also the head movement and all the slipping / weaving helped me not be hit as often in future muay thai / kickboxing style sparring. For the punches my favorite from boxing was the jab, then next would be a cross. Ramsey I agree with one of your other videos talking about combining martial arts (with sensei Seth I think), some boxing with my taekwondo foundation was awesome.

[@Meta_Meech]

I just started ITF TDK two days ago. And I gotta tell you having that previous boxing foundation definitely helped me on the punch portion of those combinations. This is because I instinctively kept my hands up, chin tucked elbows pointed down, which made me snap my punches out more efficiently. The instructor even praised me on that. In my opinion, the most dangerous Kickboxer, Thai Boxer, or ITF TDK fighters are the ones with a solid, 3 year minimum foundation of Boxing. Cause you already know how to throw your hands, that’s half the battle right there

[@matarahmadal_atif9359]

@@Meta_Meech I respect the experiences you have complete gent's , which are worthwhile, but I would like to add French boxing (savate). I started taking lessons on the internet because there are no clubs for it in my country. I hope you try it Believe me, it is rich in street movements with a mixture of taekwondo and English boxing. 🌹🙏

[@kibiparbz]

I feel like a lot of it is because Muay Thai and karate had a big influence on kickboxing styles and a lot of boxers put weight on their front leg constantly whereas the Muay Thai and karate guys put it on their back leg, I came from boxing and kyokushin to Muay Thai and struggled a lot to get rid of my habits like leaning forward and getting power by planting my front leg too often

[@ryanhockenberry2045]

Mom: we have joe rogan at home *joe rogan at home*

[@RamseyDewey]

Hahahahahaha!

[@thomasbrown3793]

Wrong; Joe Rogan is the Ramsey Dewey we have at home

[@KHN.RVA.28]

I feel you bro...kickboxers hear you're a boxer they are like ok cool. MMA guy hears you're a BJJ guy they are like "yo u wanna roll"

[@Meta_Meech]

Ikr?? It’s weird. I was a Muay Thai fighter before I was a boxer and I always get excited when I teach a boxer basic Thai boxing combinations, cause I know they’ll pick it up really fast. Knowing how to throw your hands is half the battle.

[@vincentt6322]

wait what’s wrong with that?

[@mortalkomment8028]

These short takes are sharp and refreshing. Thx.

[@beawarrior9208]

I'm happy that I'm training both arts. First I thought I should pick one of them but training both is just great 😁👊 Thanks for the vid, it confirms what I thought 🙏

[@Taekwon-Brando]

Same here!! Kinda confirmed my thoughts on boxing technique in kickboxing

[@beawarrior9208]

@@Taekwon-Brando I'm practice Dutch style of kickboxing so boxing is really important. We usually throw 3 or 4 punches and we end up with a kick😉

[@Taekwon-Brando]

@@beawarrior9208 that’s awesome! Do you have any tutorials on Dutch kickboxing??

[@beawarrior9208]

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[@Taekwon-Brando]

@@beawarrior9208 thank you for the link!! I’ll be sure to check out more of your training vids 😄👊

[@lennylim4959]

This is really good stuff

[@abyssoulzenith]

This brought a smile to my face.

[@teddybblazin5628]

Boxing is easy to do, hard to master. The major advantage is contact. Boxing gets you in the ring faster than most other discipline. People are afraid to box because it hurts. Bjj tournaments aren't scary at all they make sure no one gets a boo boo

[@kenn8518]

Some of those bjj tournaments can get intense but yeah you are right lmao boxing can throw you out to the wolves fast and it hurts

[@hggjgj1292]

I think most are afraid to box because of long term brain damage not the temporary pain

[@tundra2861]

I used to train a lot boxing when I was a child and later switched over to kickboxing. I notice whenever I’m doing a strictly boxing spar I feel a bit confused when I can’t add kicks to it. Safe to say my boxing needs some improvements

[@thunderkatz4219]

I’ve never understood why we all can’t respect eachother fighting style

[@The-Black-Militant]

Ego man, the ego will always get in the way of respect of the arts

[@thunderkatz4219]

@@The-Black-Militant yeah that’s the problem and reason why I don’t wanna do Muay Thai it’s because they have giant egos and think there all that same with high school wrestling

[@infomatrix7394]

Cuz trashing everyone else’s style is fun! Haven’t you ever seen a Kung Fu movie?? 😂

[@Mustard_Dispenser]

As a fellow coach, I tell my Muay Thai/k1 fighters, learning more boxing won’t make your Muay Thai/k1 worse

[@thelaundryman9287]

Interesting, here in the UK at my kickboxing gym there is an emphasis on having good boxing, there are some days we just focus on boxing and footwork. We have a sister gym that does both K1 and Muay Thai (we just train K1) and their fighters tend to be better at the clinch (ofc) and kicks. But we excel at kickboxing mostly because of our boxing emphasis and footwork to set up kicks and using angles and levels. And our dutch guard. So I see the way some gyms may ironically neglect boxing in the sport of kickboxing. Like I have even been told, not just my coaches but my team mates that I need to work on my boxing and footwork. As I tend to be more reliant on kicks and sweeps instinctually but getting more well rounded lately.

[@MixtapeEntertainment]

A voice so deep it writes poetry,

[@BGD.2980]

I can't believe some people would think this. Of course you'd be a better kickboxer if you're a better "boxer". No matter if kicking is your preferred method of offense.

[@Holygroundmma]

Great stuff Sir. Watching from New Jersey 💯💯

[@bakersmileyface]

Boxing is a big part of kickboxing. Naturally if you spend a lot of time honing in on your boxing, youre going to be better at it than most kickboxers.

[@harvey_weenstain8857]

I'm a bjj/karate guy desperately trying to improve my boxing. MMA is all about being well rounded.

[@QuanNguyen-vw1pu]

I am definitely a kicker, I love my overhands too, but I am just in love with my body kicks and my flying knees so much.

[@QarthCEO]

Please make some videos of you reading passages from Dune or Dragon Riders of Pern. Your voice is so buttery smooth. No homo.

[@AugustusAsgeir]

Hella true, as a Muay Thai practitioner I like to work on my boxing too as it's just super helpful

[@thememaster7]

Does TKD also help Muay Thai?

[@AugustusAsgeir]

@@thememaster7 it actually can, because TKD has more diverse kicks that can be altered a bit to fit into Thai Boxing/Muay Boran

[@G1stGBless]

Very few ppl seemed to get what you were saying about bjj/mma

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

Do MMA people say that about jiujitsu tho?

[@lucian5389]

Generally MMA guys have categories they fall into based on their strengths. Some guys who come from kickboxing or Muay thai swear by the "sprawl and brawl" style. Some guys only train their boxing and wrestling only and do the bare minimum of kicking and jujitsu. You get strict grapplers as well who only train kicks or punches that can setup takedowns better And occasionally you get the "all rounder" type guys but generally after a while of fighting in MMA you start to realize what your strengths are and train them more often, its quite rare to see guys get very far nowadays as complete all rounders. Even UFC fighters who are pretty much elite in all levels pick a style and stick with it, only training the other aspects of the fight in order to get out of having to use them in the cage

[@chrisfrench9257]

@@lucian5389 I would argue that there are far more well rounded fighters than there used to be by quite a margin.

[@thatindiandude4602]

@@chrisfrench9257 Yes, the new generation is certainly this. Petr Yan, comes to mind.

[@IncredibleMD]

MMA people talk about their BJJ belts all the goddamn time.

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

@@lucian5389 sprawl and brawl is dead bruh. But I see your point.

[@davybigfly]

Tenshin: aight let's see how good my boxing is

[@giorgig4828]

>decides to fight the greatest modern boxer who is also much heavier

[@elijah1923]

I'm doing both and boxing training is something else. They teach you how to punch through guard, create angles all the time, parry the puches away and come back with your own punches. You can implement it in your kickboxing very well, straight punch coming at you, you parry and hit back with your own straight or head kick.

[@David-ni5hj]

Where can I see competions of the kickboxing style that those guys are practicing??? Seems exciting 🤔

[@ShqipeKnocksMMA]

This dude easily has a career in radio/tv if he wasn’t in combat sports

[@samuelornela2872]

Boxing gyms and kickboxing gyms are so much different in terms of the sparring. You can get smashed in sparring both ways but I feel like the kickboxers are a bit more nice to the new guys

[@TheRoninSith]

Very well articulated! 🙇🤙🏼

[@SeanteBrown]

This guy has that movie commercial voice 😆

[@pouyanbakhshi583]

Dude, for heaven's sake, become a voice over actor. We are all rooting for you

[@RamseyDewey]

Is this a job offer?

[@okamitsu1212]

Bro. Those pink-blue gloves that one guy was wearing were slickity slick

[@urstruelytarun3845]

I am boxer , I learned muay thai for 4 months , then I realised I lost my boxing skills almost everything i lost , is street i cant throw leg kick while wearing jeans pant 😢 then i realised boxing is best , then i left muay thai completely and after 5 months training now i got my boxing back

[@kevionrogers2605]

How tight are your jeans that you can't do a leg kick? Wearing straight leg levi jeans you should easily be able to kick to the flanks floating ribs without tearing your inseam of your jean's crotch. If they are wide jeans then you should be able to head kick without tearing them.

[@MrMagnaniman]

The only belts and rankings in boxing come from winning fights. That strikes me (pun intended) as a more useful system for determining effectiveness of technique than how long one has been practicing it.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

That’s true until a guy like Butterbean comes along and exploits that by knocking out a bunch of chumps. Luckily nobody outside of the Toughman world took him seriously.

[@MrMagnaniman]

@@dr.floridamanphd I'm pretty certain that Butterbean and every last one of his opponents could knock me out. So, if he wanted to fight me, I would take it pretty seriously. Conversely, there are more than a few black belts out there that I feel I could easily deal with (12-year-olds come to mind). Butterbean didn't exploit anything. He won some fights and he lost some. He never won any belts and no one is claiming he's anything other than a very strong puncher.

[@Meta_Meech]

Facts. I couldn’t agree more. I black belt 🥋 means nothing if you never been in a fight before

[@ronaldgood3545]

"To (Transition) from one fighting form to another, I've "ALWAYS" believed it comes down to "ADAPTABILITY."

[@techfall1142]

This guy started popping up in my feed. I love combat sports as well as coach multiple sports. The first video I ever saw, I thought it was a parody, but after seeing several more vids, I realized I like this cat and Subb'd. His voice is epic too 🤣🤣 I have a deep voice too, but this guy takes it next level. Pixar should be calling him soon 🤣

[@Milo19970]

I think its sad how Kickboxing doesn’t get its credit it deserves. I’m a Dutch kickboxer i love it so much more than regular boxing even though i appreciate both. But i think kickboxing is just way more entertaining to watch as well. Just recently Jamal Ben Saddik VS Rico verhoeven. I went there and the whole place went nuts the vibe was way more intense than most boxing fights i went.

[@lazydog5065]

I agree. Boxing is great but imo kickboxing/muay thai is more entertaining. Sometimes a lot more stuff happens in 3-5 kickboxing rounds than in 12 boxing rounds.

[@trashboity8773]

Handsome squidward

[@sirturd2954]

It’s tough a little bit in the sense of boxing seems to kind of stand alone as a sport. I love boxing as a sport and it’s got a rich goddamn history, but I know boxing isn’t enough, and how specific it is. Different topic just though I’d mention.

[@jrs4321]

People in the sport of boxing (kickboxing/MMA) train to win fights or at least to be able to fight within those rules. People who train BJJ, are just that. They are training to the limit of BJJ rules. The the question becomes, what are those rules geared for. Is it grappling only, or more inclusive of strikes?

[@warwickonlyfans344]

This is a certified hood classic

[@mikereigns8134]

I agree that if ur better boxer ur going to be a better kickboxer to much extent BUT boxing defence and some headmovements are very different than kickboxing not to mention the stance difference is huge too . The whole game changes when kicks are introduced. Take 2 phone on 1 watch boxing match and on another play an kickboxing match Even the way they jab would be different not to mention their combinations and the way they move around

[@NoirMC187]

Buakau is a world renowned Muay Thai artist/boxer and uses very western boxing techniques to finish his opponents. Boxing and knowing foot work is essential.

[@jackdorseysdisappointedfather]

I'm so very confused what the title is supposed to mean.🤷‍♂️😅

[@MontyQueues]

dude can replace SIRI

[@hypnoticskull6342]

Key word is "instead". A lot of MMA fighters don't really train striking. Obviously not all of them, but a good amount

[@Mustard_Dispenser]

Preach brother

[@alonsogarcia1990]

The sweet science of boxing could definitely make one a better kickboxer but once you incorporate legs I believe it becomes a different animal.

[@billcipher3946]

If you are someone like Giorgio petrosyan, a kickboxer with good boxing & great kicks you are a beast compared to some kickboxers with decent or terrible boxing skills.

[@Thor-Orion]

I love this take. I completely agree. Boxing definitely improves your kickboxing (look at Ramon Dekkers) but you can’t get into a kickboxing ring having only trained in boxing, you’ll get smashed.

[@Dancolemusic]

Fucking true. When I started kickboxing, I thought I was hot shit because of my Muay Thai background until I sparred a boxer that just happened to defend kicks very well. Nowadays I work on my boxing and footwork nonstop. People always talk about boxers wouldn’t last against this art or that art. Teach a boxer to kick and defend kicks and they’ll be unstoppable.

[@Meta_Meech]

Facts. Knowing how to throw your hands is half the battle.

[@jojotwice8918]

lol but a boxer that can kick is essentially a kickboxer. ali had his legs fucked up by a pro wrestler; so boxing on its own gets u so far, kickboxing is more well rounded

[@MrTheil]

@@jojotwice8918Exactly

[@mystjrboxing4451]

I did karate for about 4 years when i was younger and now I have been doing boxing for a while I do practice my karate time to time so I think I could be a good kickboxer to start off ?

[@ScottLally-v7i]

try boxing with a karate stance

[@juwebles4352]

Not interested in boxing or kickboxing but this was interesting and the voice over was like melted chocolate being poured in my ears

[@ronki23]

Before I watched this video I thought you would have said boxing is a means to an end (kickboxing) or BJJ is a means to an end (MMA). But you say it's useful to do it alongside. I'd train in both my means and my end at the same time but wouldn't bother competing in my means once I 'graduate' from it to my end

[@vincentrose9114]

Bro you would make a great narrator with your voice you have a radio voice/way of speaking.

[@official_liberal_chungus7825]

Hey Ramsey could my kickboxing get even better if i start training muay thai i already do sanda and dutch kickboxing but i feel that i should add muay thai into should I

[@frederickmartin365]

Making a fighter is a brick by brick process

[@stormrevenant]

The very best Nak Muays, likes Samart, Veeraphol, Somrak also have successful pro boxing careers.

[@JM23007]

Lex Luther vibes

[@aftercarecarez]

If it’s the Dutch style right which is like what most American or western kickboxing is I think ?? But as fun as it is hiding your cake behind punches there’s just something fun about elbows and knees but not the clinch I hate the clinch the shit terrifies me

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

In my dojo when sparring for points the punches have low scoring value compared to kicks because of the difficulty

[@usernamepassword9091]

Man I'd really like to go train in some of this stuff, just can't find the motivation or the confidence 😕

[@khalidbinwaleed5072]

My coach was a Mauy Thai champion wka champion and professional boxer

[@maxb7087]

boxing is THE art just because hands are the most used weapon.... but it can't be trained by itself, you need to put other discipline but boxing is the most important to be strong in a complete martial way

[@dicksuekkerre4326]

This is what rogan is still aspiring to be

[@thebee0320]

I mean he's kinda right. Hone every aspect of what you do so you can beat someone who just does that and you'll kick everyone's ass

[@erice5372]

Nailed it.

[@ApoRekt]

Joe Jogan?

[@tricktop9064]

Seems like bjj should be looked at pretty highly by mma guys because a lot of the best guys are very good at bjj and use it very well

[@onlycityboy]

Now im confused, please someone explain

[@jimmyjohnjuan]

I feel like the how you worded the title is worded wrong

[@chrismcdaniel475]

Does being a good bjj guy make you a better MMA fighter?

[@RodieXC]

when you didn't get hired as a voice actor so you just pursued as a martial artist 😆

[@followufollowme]

Boxing and kickboxing are great...with GLOVES.

[@acepena0629]

I’m a boxer and a jiu jitsu guy but I was totally confused 😂😂😂😂

[@David-ni5hj]

Muay Thai guys have championed in boxing though

[@CarlosCruz-dc7iu]

Nick Diaz said there's more money in boxing than kickboxing even though kickboxing is alot harder than boxing and I don't get it

[@Rosstheman47]

Thanks Blow Job Jr for explaining this.

[@TheOnlyOneStanding8079]

He has a cool radio voice

[@nrose168]

Learning boxing before Muay Thai helped

[@aaronweiss3294]

Don't understand the caption

[@NattyIce553]

How does bjj treat mma

[@danielguzman9482]

Japanese kickboxer have the best boxing 😊

[@LairdErnst]

Philosophy according to Ramsey…

[@FreebyrdFayelanx]

Do motorcycle helmets decrease CTE in sparring more than regular headgear?

[@RamseyDewey]

No.

[@papakurt4162]

@@RamseyDewey but it does protect you from eye gouges and the good old fashion Mongolian tongue stretcher. I was hit by a MTS in my mma debut and have since worn a full faced motorcycle helmet, as well as a steal bra to protect against the dreaded purple nurple during my bouts. I'm now looking into surgery to amputate both my legs to protect from heel hooks and knee bars. Ufc gold will be mine.

[@charlieryan6536]

The way you talk is crazy bro

[@DirtLip]

I don’t understand how some martial artists just train what they want but they don’t train every area of the game as they should. Doesn’t make sense to be an amazing kickboxer but can be easily out boxed because you barely know how to use your hands and basic fundamentals

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

Agreed. It bothers me when my friend who is really good at kung fu/ sanda isn't interested in learning grappling outside of sanda.

[@datguy9408]

It’s difficult to get good at different styles versus one. Even after all these years I just learned how to throw multiple combos in each stance, competently. And that doesn’t take into account if I can execute them well in sparring.

[@Meta_Meech]

Facts. Learning Muay Thai made me learn Boxing too cause of the similarity of the punches. Now I’m learn ITF TDK and I can tell you, all three compliment each other.

[@ninobrown9600]

Facts, Osu!

[@kevthegoat8774]

Rico Verhoeven is the best heavyweight kickboxer right now and he probably has the best boxing out of any heavyweight kickboxer ever.

[@microwave4928]

Shouldn’t it be “If boxing treated kickboxing the same way mma treats bjj”

[@RamseyDewey]

No.