If Sunset Shimmer wasn't Defeated ☀️ (MLP Analysis) - Sawtooth Waves

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The missing timeline where Sunset succeeded..
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[@M30WG1_]

The reason there was no sunset timeline could be that the crown would've never existed in the firstplace

[@Bafoldings]

Hmm fr

[@jcalhorrorstuff]

Also there are other reasons too. 1. Starlight didn't knew who she was until Mirror Magic 2. Starlight only created those timelines for Twilight since those villains are the ones she knew about. 3. Hasbro doesn't want to cross over both the series, hence why we only got Sunset Shimmer as cameo in the finale instead of physically appearing.

[@jatinr5683]

Just what I was gonna say🎉

[@charliecastulo7623]

That what i was thinking

[@DimpleSandhu-vm9pq]

🦄 🐴🐎 🌈

[@ethan7732]

My Theory on the very dark timeline where everything is dead is that it comes from the episode: Dragonshy (Season 1, Episode 7). Where essentially the dragon would "cover equestria in smoke for 100 years", but then fluttershy stopped the dragon, in the other world no one would go to the dragon and succeed, so I think that the last timeline was caused by the dragon since no sun would mean that all the plants would die, and thus since ponies eat the grass they could have all starved to death.

[@Hellokittymimi]

They don’t eat grass in mlp

[@claymudwing7589]

Not bad of a theory!

[@violetnocte]

But in the Nightmare Moon timeline, ponies seem to be doing surprisingly okay despite the lack of sunlight. While the dragon might be responsible for the desolate timeline, I don't think it's because smoke blocked the sun. Plants in Equestria are already known to work differently than real life (one of the things that makes the Everfree forest so scary is that plants can grow without ponies' help), so maybe they don't need sun. Maybe in Equestria, magic is in the air in the same way as oxygen and nitrogen, and plants can get energy that way. Alternatively, maybe the lack of sunlight _did_ kill the plants in the desolate timeline and in the Nightmare Moon timeline she was able to use her magic to let plants grow without sunlight.

[@cruzjackal]

​@@violetnocte I've a better theory on why the last timeline is nothing but an empty wasteland. Because it was a result of all the villains. I'm not saying that in that alternate timeline, all the villains teamed up and overthrow Celestia, but instead they went on war against each other. Maybe all the villains came, and had an epic war with each other. This is how it happened. On the 1000 moon anniversary of Nightmare Moon defeat, she finally return to Equestria to cause forever night. She made it clear that she'll overthrow her sister, Celestia, but when she comes toe o toe with her, but instead of her sister, it was a changeling disguise as her. This being Queen Chrysalis, the two fight off, and unaware to them, they hear a menacing laughter. This being of a formal king, and his fallen empire. When then get an epic war between Nightmare Moon, Queen Chrysalis, and King Sombra and all their armies fighting against each other. This cause a lot of chaos, allowing someone to be freed from their stone prison. Discord. Now freed, he joins the battle against all three armies. But just relies on his chaos magic to do all the work. Meanwhile, the real Princess Celestia is now overwhelmed, with four powerful villains in Equestria, she won't be able to defeat them.

[@cruzjackal]

​@@violetnocteEven if she had the Elements of Harmony on her, they wouldn't be enough against, at least not all of them separately. She believes that if she got all four villains together in one spot, she might be able to use the elements against them. But to do that, she needed reinforcement, lacking enough guards and soldiers, she went to Tartarus to get Cerberus to help in their time of need. But unfortunately, she unwilling release another threat. When she took Cerberus and didn't leave someone behind to guard Tartarus, this allow Tirek to be freed. And was able to get most of his strength very quickly. Now there would be five powerful villains in war. They would all come together to settle this once and for all. All three of King Sombra, Queen Chrysalis, and Nightmare Moon army would be busy fighting against each other, while all five of the powerful villains would against each other personally. This gave Celestia her opportunity to use the elements against them, but one of the villains would notice Celestia about to use the elements, and suggest that they combine all their magic and power together to defeat her. And they all agree. All five of them combine all the magic they got against Celestia, who also use the elements magic against them, this cause an explosion that wiped everyone out. Not just villains and their armies, but also Celestia, her army, and even any innocent that got caught in the cross fire. This leaving Equestria nothing but an empty waste. And the rest is history, literally.

[@bartholomewwindow743]

with this logic, doesnt it mean that it should have been nightmare moon in every single timeline since shes the first one to interact with the main 6 and the elements from the past? the other villains, zecora and their cutie marks should not have existed??

[@Stardr0p7-t8t]

Lots of things could have happened though, like Tirek taking her power, Discord getting rid of her etc, I think it depends on how nightmare moon handled them in each timeline

[@Earthy666]

The element of harmony wasn’t a crown if the rainboom didnot happen that means the 6th element hasn’t been revelled and sunset shimmer can’t have it

[@siddhianishkala4543]

The element of Magic*

[@luligjata5219]

Ok

[@claymudwing7589]

This may sound crazy but I think that map of the wasted land and abandoned map that twilight took starlight to is what starlight could have done if she had not failed and succeeded her plan of the main 6 never meeting. That's what would have most likely happened if the main 6 never had met. That's all I assume, but idk if it's true or not😅. Hope this helped.

[@ARI-lm7xb]

Wait, this is actually a pretty solid theory! I never thought of that, good idea! 👍

[@weirdogirl1275]

How though? Without Twilight being a princess and going there, I'm not sure Starlight had much plan for getting her no-cutie-mark philosophy out of the middle of nowhere. How would that even happen?

[@emsiyes]

That's my theory too!! Plus, with everyone being equal and not any productive work probably being done, it's the most realistic possibility

[@DefNotEnder]

and if that timeline was if she successfully prevented something but for a different reason like one of the villains stopped her plans to make everyone equal (likely Discord) so she prevented the villain from being released by turning them back to stone somehow the second they broke out

[@STR0B3RR7]

What is the bear AU was actually a timeline where Daybreaker and nightmare moon fought against each other and ended up accidentally destroying the planet and each other by sending the sun and the moon to the planet this might’ve been like centuries after that, so the place was you know no longer lava it’s now like a barren wasteland, but I am thinking that since every pony is probably dead and since the sisters are supposed to be immortal, then I’m guessing that they just had a very large war and it ended up killing everybody because the sun in the moon aren’t there and there are a bunch of clouds in the sky and somehow they’re able to breathe. I don’t know I’m just coming up with the apocalypse

[@Nyahscasting]

All of the elements of harmony are called honesty,, loyalty, laughter, generosity kindness, and the magic of friendship

[@DefNotEnder]

we know

[@strawberrymilk_nya]

@@DefNotEnderdon’t be so rude, they were only trying to help!

[@D-Makes]

Theory why we didn’t see a time sunset succeeded: since the rainboom brought them together in the first place and starlight stopped it. They wouldn’t have been together but twilight discovered the magic of friendship and the sixth element of harmony the reason why we didn’t see a time that sunset succeeded was because sunset needed the element of magic to become demon sunset without twilight finding the sixth element, sunset wouldn’t have had the element she wanted so we didn’t see a time that sunset succeeded.

[@PejodenverPejodenverpo]

Because, without the main 6, there will be no elements of harmony

[@thespyingxypher3726]

In the discord timeline, celestial reformed Luna herself

[@esmeemerkus3893]

Woah, I had to look at that twice, but you are right!! The second time Discord appeared was after Luna was reformed by the main six, but they weren't there, still we see princes Luna running from Discord!!! What happened when Luna returned in the Discord timeline? How did Celestia get her sister back?

[@strawberrymilk_nya]

⁠@@esmeemerkus3893there’s actually another sawtooth video explaining that on deleted brony videos archive!

[@kianlagartos]

One thing, the crown would’ve never been found in the first place due to 2 reasons: The Crystal Empire would have never been restored + Twilight would not have been a Princess to begin with for Sunset to realize and take the element of Magic in her own world

[@floofycupkim1197]

I do have a theory that she likely played 5 other ponies who had a similar goal.. however once nightmare moon was out of the picture. Sunset probably betrayed them taking all 6 elements for herself.

[@SimplyMoonlight]

If the 6 didn't exist then twilight's wouldn't have gotten her element so sunset couldn't have had a timeline but she wouldn't have the element

[@Nyahscasting]

It Hass to be true how to get the elements of harmony so she could be stronger than everyone except twilight in the main six held twilight in the human world so her friends can team up with her if twilight didn’t have any friends, she would’ve been defeated by now or we call it the magic of friendship.

[@fbg_yt6103]

I think sunset would sneak back to the royal library and find out how to become a unicorn

[@Chris93814]

Alicorn*

[@justinkilgore2942]

New theory what if this dude is actually sawtooth who else would have accesss to all the other videos AFTER he already deleted all his vids

[@deletedmlpvideos]

All the videos were archived on Pony Archive before Sawtooth deleted them, I linked to said archives in each video description.

[@Walterskidsaccount]

What did happened.to him​@@deletedmlpvideos

[@qub1c394]

Sunset will Make friends then she will get the magic element and she and her friends will rule eqestria

[@Lay-kt1xd]

I think that she burned it down because she was jealous of them.

[@ebcinema2710]

My theory of the last time line where everything is dead was what who’d actually happen if the main six whodunit have met. the original time line! I think that all of the villains except for sunset, starlight, and cozy because they whodunit have been evil at the first place in that time line probably all wanted to roll equestria and fight I’d over it and from that they by mistake disappeared equestria

[@Nyahscasting]

Sunset, shimmer wanted to roll a question

[@DefNotEnder]

I think the last timeline is all the villains at once

[@_bengue]

my theory is the creators actually forgot about sunset shimmer

[@LindaCollins-jd3lx]

Well, yes, it’s true. Even if she hadn’t of been able to use the element of magic, she would’ve been able to get to the others but they wouldn’t of worked without the sixth remember what Celestia said or maybe it was Luna when she said the other elements doesn’t work without the sixth meaning, they wouldn’t have worked without the sixth element even if the main sixth net came to be who says somebody else couldn’t of what if Daybreaker came into existence in this round well, none of us ever know if she even existed who’s to say, without the elements of harmony, nightmare moon was defeated by somebody more powerful, who says that wasn’t Daybreaker that nightmare force could’ve taken over, Celestia, giving her the ability to be Daybreaker and that is how that timeline existed

[@xinyi4397]

Because the element if magic wouldn't have existed

[@headhunterdrawingandanimat170]

Shouldn't we have gotten a tempest or storm king timeline?

[@adilalbhadle2559]

You are stupid

[@goudafromlednice]

What If this is the cost of everything? Sombra, Nightmare moon, Chrysalis... everypony who wanted to destroy. Just think about it 😅🤔

[@asmaaziz2934]

First and the most important question is that how would sunset know about the portal to equestria

[@AdrielNillanCorral]

My theory is that without twilight bieng the princess of freandship thares no way thares a crown sunset to take right?

[@Torii_playzz]

without the main 6 sunset can't get the crown 👑

[@cheskanoelle8524]

Dose Anybody have an idea. Of why we didn't have a cozyglow timeline

[@karamelyu-kx5kh]

no sunset timeline because no twillight as a princess no crown no evil sunset

[@sarahnkansah6813]

I agree with the first one

[@Fantasycastle337]

Woah

[@alexvoz]

What is a spark for the elements wasn’t just one particular spark. What if there was different sparks for the different pony that came across sunset could’ve went there and do her spark and actually and actually get a time line but maybe I starlight glimmer actually made her time line but twilight didn’t go into it because she defeated starlight before her. She can send her in and it’s possible that she could’ve had her own timeline and that this is actually kind of not be post to be in the video on the video. I’m sorry, but I wanna I feel like I should do it, that timeline that we didn’t know who it belong to cut up and starlight her self I mean her own timeline and we don’t know what has happened,

[@AidanSuperStudios]

I don’t know why no body talks about what might have happened if midnight sparkle wasn’t defeated.

[@Karen-vy2mh]

I think the world is all of the villains going to battle and them all losing so everything died

[@emmaltb4050]

L O L! Just like Lord Garmadon from Ninjago!

[@F-qz1ec]

a villians war my theory is that is the result of all villians fighting untill one of them rules equestria first one is nightmare moon to rule but ever since discord broke from his prison he ruled then tirek eating all the magic in equestria then crysalis prob got defeated in tireks rain immediantly and so tirek destroyed equestria burying it in ruins

[@AllanGeorge-social]

It would not happen because twilight would have not be crowed princess and there would be no crown to steal the magic

[@cchiborak]

Technically, without a main six the element of Magic wouldn’t be a in any other form than the original form 😮

[@cloudmarshmallow12]

But the problem is it was the human six who defeated sunset and they didn’t meet through a sonic rain boom so they would’ve still met and defeated her

[@francescachapa6143]

I think all the villains the mane 6 defeated all got in to a big war and destroyed everything.

[@Justiraaa]

This can’t have been a idea at all because the elements would have never been founded without the mane 6 meeting and so sunset would not have been able to get the crown therefore sunset can’t do anything so we would have seen a demon sunset without the element of friendship 😊😊

[@gamershonewane6885]

There’s some small text near sunset shimmer as a pony next to her hoof and it says orin331

[@Hedgehog29746]

1:46 1:49 Oop Sunset Shimmer Timeline?

[@LoganQuimby]

Because no twilight no crown

[@Krueger_ai]

Why didn’t we see a Trixie Lulamoon timeline as well?

[@jrjigtujlrh.yujeffreyzyirr4285]

Make if trixie wasn't defeated episode.

[@GalaxyOpal56]

This dude isnt the original creator. Its a reupload cause the original guy deleted all his content after he confessed smtn

[@INKYZILLA]

​@@GalaxyOpal56what did he confess?

[@serenitythesiren5031]

@@INKYZILLA they groomed someone.

[@obaidulhoquebhuiyan7095]

Trixie Is Not A Villain He's A Silly Pony 😜.

[@jcalhorrorstuff]

​@@serenitythesiren5031proof??

[@jitarong2233]

I think that it would be all 🔥 🚒

[@Its_pretty_umar]

Cause she wasn't evil cause she was a Celestias stident

[@Blue_Diamond12]

My theory is twilight caused that timeline cause she is the element of friendship and princess of friendship without those the ponies could have fought and eventually caused that

[@justicejaeger9942]

I think the wasteland timeline has to do with the dragons.

[@milindsanzgiri7708]

all villans could have fought and no one could have won

[@jophyjose9966]

Midnight sparkle😢😢😢

[@poojagulati804]

My theory is simple that sunset took form as the demon because of the crown now the crown originally belonged to twilight before sun set shimmer stole it and that is the crown of magic or friend ship as twilight is the princess of friend ship and if starlight did destroy the path of them being friend’s ……. There would not have been a way for sun set to take the crown or would there be the main six did not know bout that they were each others reason for the cutie marks so they were only the reason for the cutie marks princess Celestia was the reason of them being friend’s starting with defeating night mare moon who was originally princess Luna not the start so in that case i am thinking that all those possibilities that twilight created are that just if they never got there cutie marks bc each other they still would have met be friends and everything would have been normal just that they would not be the ones defeating them

[@Nicloeisslayqueen]

Sunset didn’t existing in the timeline yet

[@niemarayop6954]

i think if twilight didint go there to save her crown sunset will break the both world so she will take the world i think?

[@Samaira_2808]

I think we didn't see it cuz the main 6 never met so the elements never were introduced to them either so anyways sunset wouldn't even get the elements or rather the element of magic.

[@angelinmahibhaa5621]

I was about to come down ro comments and roast you for 😅umm the chance there was not a crown at all but then i heard it.😊😅but there is a possibility that beacause twighligh5 didnt get her cutie mark she went back to ponyville to not show her face in canterlot she would make friends and when they grew older find it perhaps?

[@XxMistyxX_demon]

😂 The reason is bc there is no crown bc there is no princess twilight bc without her and her frnds they wouldn't hv able to defeat nightmare moon

[@aquac8242]

I think that is the seventh timeline was kinda Grogar timeline

[@user-si4or4mu1l]

Saset could go to the castle of two sister's and use the magic and create the sixth element

[@seangsotheara9491]

How could she have the element of magic

[@manjughimire1698]

even konw that

[@RobertoMaciel-me9jt]

Adoro demais essa minha estatua que e a Sunset.

[@brianmabusela41]

All the villand😅

[@AaronMartin-pn8pt]

Well evil is weak not powerful

[@mateuszwojcik2012]

But no main six no element of magic no crown so no sunset only way is the tree

[@jophyjose-i4y]

Midnight sparkle wasn't defeted

[@carlosavila218]

😰😰😰

[@renukaaryal4820]

hi

[@09mbayogabriel]

Qu’est-ce qui est

[@abosedebanjo9242]

I hate Sunset Shimmer.

[@elliemarilyn]

What if sunset was one of the new man 6 and she was the elements of magic and she took it

[@petersyts419]

Memery Stone plan B

[@09mbayogabriel]

Est-ce que des fois t’es qu’un Speak French I’m and you c’est où que t’as

[@Lilly_playzrobloxYT]

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