If you could start Warhammer all over again...

[@the_kieran_show]

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[@congobryan5571]

Did they give you a promo code?

[@sethlocklear4590]

Just started a month ago, and the Kill Team advice is dead on. One box, 10 guys, all different weapon types, each giving you the opportunity and time to personalize them and learn how to paint. Chef’s kiss.

[@the_kieran_show]

🫡🫡🫡

[@riran_86]

Just be realistic with yourself is great advice. In Warhammer the idea of owning and painting a cool thing is a lot more common than the time and willpower it takes to follow through. I've found out to my cost that if youre an adult with a small amount of disposable income, its a lot easier to click a button or two on the eBay app or wander into GW while youre out with the kids than it is to actually find time to sit and hobby for more than 20min

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah totally correct on the buying point, it’s so much faster 😂

[@nightmartree4650]

Look i just need a few hours a day and i can get some real stuff done. ...*never ever stops working, preparing for work or being exhausted from work* ...okay, still not stopping me getting the provisionally prepared mini.

[@ProphetOfTruth_]

Haven’t technically started yet. Waiting for Emperor’s Children release next year, hopefully sooner rather than later.

[@the_kieran_show]

Hoooo boi! We're PUMPED for that. *Ignores pile of shame

[@sambetteridge1687]

Don't sleep on the box sets like I did when I got into the hobby. I'm kicking myself for not picking up the leviathan box when it was available.

[@Farstepper]

I have a few: 1) Start listening to Warhammer audiobooks earlier. 2) Accept that Combat Patrol boxes are cool, but also great for my Pile of Shame. I've heard it called a "Pile of Potential" recently, which sounds a lot nicer in my head. 3) Actually play a game at point during my first year in the hobby.

[@the_kieran_show]

These are all great suggestions! We're huge endorsers of Piles Of Potential really 🤥

[@davidshaw123451001]

I think the new Kill Team Set is one of the best they have ever done for beginners. First game could be involved with just using the colours and then in between you can start to add detail with your painting and you can take as much time as you want and even individualise each model.

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah totally! That new Killteam set is ace

[@foreverfornever1124]

I also started in 9th ed with the Indomitus box, choosing Necrons. Funny enough, the shop I started at was so new and obscure, they still had 3 Indomitus boxes, even after 7 months into 9th ed. Thankfully for me the owner was generous on the info he provided. He went over the pitfalls of starting WH, even starting with a large army box. Of course some of that advice I forgot lol. While starting on Necrons, I also got into Grey Knights and Tau, which I eventually learned from and sold, time and resources that couldve been spent on my Necrons. Since then Ive only joined Killteam and Warcry. Now Im one more army in with Votann, and have started AoS with 2 armies.

[@the_kieran_show]

That sounds like a great start!

[@foreverfornever1124]

@the_kieran_show I was a bit more fortunate to have a shop owner sort of steer me in the right direction early on. I might not have followed everything he said, but eventually, I got back on track. It's why I love listening to Vets of any occupation or hobby. They made the mistakes, they learned and evolved. To pass that on to those ignorant or new is truly a wonderful human exchange.

[@TheThewhatnow]

I started back in 9th with the starter set, if I could go back the only thing I would change was stopping myself from buying all the cheap secondhand firstborn and forgeworld models i collected before they eventually made it clear they were going to stop supporting them. I managed to buy and paint around 5000 points of old Deathwing Terminators and firstborn Ravenwing bikes before things going to legends or getting new models, that hobby effort would have felt much better if put into other models.

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah that’s rough 🫠

[@WhiteWulfe]

YAY! You made sure left Kieran had a sticker on his forehead too! If I were to do it again (and arguably I have, since I sold all my Space Marines, Tau, and even my first force of Catachans), I would definitely take it a lot slower, not buy a big box (he says with Leviathan in his backlog, especially as his only 40k box), and definitely not buy a horde force (he says with Skaventide and several other large boxes of Skaven models).

[@the_kieran_show]

Not buying a big box is a great shout!

[@Naddabeht]

Very much agree with many points. I would never recommend buying a big starter box first. Get one unit. Any paint is better than no paint, and your first mini will never look as good as box. Also agree don’t build up a giant pile. I under estimated how long it takes to build tanks and monsters. I’ll be painting tanks and monsters rest of year… magnets add lots of time… once you get moving have 3-4 projects at different stages, building, priming, and detail.

[@the_kieran_show]

🫡🫡🫡

[@blake-peace]

Started Dec 2022 with Tyranids, then at the end of 2023 got into Votann. In hindsight, I think it would've been better to do it the other way around.

[@the_kieran_show]

How come? Was the Tyranids a slog?

[@reelwanderer_]

Amazing episode! I’ve been in and out of hobby for 10 years now, it’s always been the question in the back of your mind after crack the shits and you sell your whole collection on eBay… I feel your channel reaches areas in the hobby other other KZbin hobbiests fail to cover in easy conversation and funny banter. Highly enjoying the realness! You dudes Gel really well in the show, don’t talk over each other and have a good flow with your topics/challenges and truth talk.

[@the_kieran_show]

Thanks so much!

[@Banterbear]

I started with Rogue Trader, played a lot of second, stopped, got back in with 4th, played a lot, stopped, recently saw some Instagrams and have now bought a bunch of new minis, plus dug out the old ones from where they were stored and put them in a display cabinet. I've always had some kind of hobby bug, whether it's figurine painting or other minis, so I got all the gear ready to go👍. First GW purchase in 16 years is a Seraphon Spearhead. I like the minis and can use them for other games even if I never buy another AoS item. PS, if you want your mate to play MtG but he doesn't want to buy any, just play cube draft with your own set. It's one of the best and fairest formats.

[@the_kieran_show]

Seraphon spearhead is a great first box back in!

[@hendrikmoons8218]

If I would start from zero again, I would have less armies and more scenary. I've been in the hobby since 1991ish. Besides chaos dwarves, I got all armies in warhammer fantasy (old world now) at least 3k points. wh40k ... All xeno's 5k+ but no orks. Tons of other subfactions. Battlefleet Gothic: everything except Tau. AOS: at least 10 armies. etc. I would get into 40k Tyranids/Harlequins/Necrons. Old world Tomb Kings/Bretonia/Vampires. AOS: Death faction => everything + Sylvaneth. Tons of scenery, including 3d printing some fiting buildings. EDIT: and 2 rules: 1. no new army before 50% of the previous one is painted. 2. No army without their own personal carry case.

[@the_kieran_show]

Those two rules would be great 😂

[@ThaMrJoker88]

I've just started like within the last week lol I went into my gw a couple of times spent a ridiculous amount of money money because I needed so much to start the hobby to the point I actually had to take the combat patrol back to the shop lol before I opened it I walked into a local hobby store that sold individual old minnis out of little tubs for 25p I bought 10 random space marines and have been slowly painting them for a couple hours after my kid go's to bed when I think of how long it's taken me to paint 3 I'm blown away by the thought of a £100 combat patrol and the anxiety of having kids and bills and that pile of shame sitting there collecting dust when I was a kid in the 90s I remember blister packs costing pocket money prices and being able to just buy 5 marines in a pack how would a kid be able to play this game when basic units cost £40

[@the_kieran_show]

That sounds like a journey and a half 😂

[@aidenfreeman9569]

I 3d printed some budget Sisters and LOVED painting them. Got some sisters for my birthday and have just started painting my first official minis. Having a blast and the sisters audiobooks are FANTASTIC

[@the_kieran_show]

Wicked!

[@DJVoyagerXue]

I got my first Warmag box last week and I am supper happy with it, I just ordered more 😊

[@the_kieran_show]

Yaaaaas. They're really brilliant, plus everyone at Warmag is super lovely which is such a bonus.

[@lcdrfish8633]

Building an increasing pile of shame while I'm in a move. I love building - playing some and painting some too. Need to get my painting up to speed eventually, but I'm comfortable with tabletop ready (3 colors...?) initially and then tweaking after that.

[@the_kieran_show]

Good plan!

[@SwtKaroline]

Been awhile boys. Good to see you again. If I were starting over I would have gotten into AoS much sooner. It's a great game to learn first including Spearhead.

[@the_kieran_show]

Good to see you too!

[@stephenthornton2115]

Kill Team is spot on. I'm going all in with it as it is the easiest way to get to the table top.

[@the_kieran_show]

🫡🫡🫡🫡

[@Wildtaz]

If I could, it would be only starting with 500 Points and having it fully battle ready, then rinse and repeat to 2k

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah great idea!

[@scrubasaurusrekt2978]

i went crazy when i first started and got 3 armies at once (Dark angels, Alpha legion, Imperial guard). It took me so long to get a single army of 2000 pts painted since i kept jumping from army to army in a painting frenzy. Eventually after a few months i got really burnt out and stopped painting regularly. The only thing that got me to play my first game was when my local Warhammer store asked me if i wanted to play a 2000pt game with someone they couldn't find an opponent for (My local Warhammer store does 40k tinder as they like to call it). This forced me to finish painting my dark angels. If i could start again i would have just done 1 army and started another only when the first was completed.

[@the_kieran_show]

3 armies at once is mental!

[@gidthaillest]

Just seen y’all got 77k views on the one video. Big ups y’all you guys deserve the success.

[@the_kieran_show]

Thanks so much mate!

[@rickdriver0]

It's not a pile of shame, it's a to-do list 🤘🏻

[@the_kieran_show]

That's the spirit!

[@rickdriver0]

@the_kieran_show I've got about 3000pts worth of a space marines. I'm working on as a Raptors Vanguard force. I've painted an Invictus war suit, 5 infernus marines and almost finished 5 terminators. None of it is based. I also have a lieutenant built and primed. A librarian terminator and a tech marine being built... Send help 😬

[@philedwards7331]

And remember, miniatures are for life. You can always play with them, so taking your time, taking breaks, and going at *your* pace will retain the joy.

[@Banterbear]

It can be a to do list when it's a store shelf as well though🤣.

[@dupushky]

Kieran’s shirt game is fire. Where’d they get them?

[@the_kieran_show]

HardTimes clothing! We both buy quite a few shirts from there!

[@Kerldogg13]

You guys always have the coolest shirts to match the coolest discussions 🙄

[@Kerldogg13]

NOT MTG KIERAN 😭

[@Kerldogg13]

But seriously, wonderful advice and stuff I've said to friends interested in getting started! Cheers, bois!

[@the_kieran_show]

Hahahah thanks!

[@koz1138]

No more points in KT. Now you build your team from a roster of options, like the current Tau list is 1) take a leader unit (a Shas’ui), 2) pick 11 other models from a list of 15 (drones, sniper, medic, etc etc). And the “x of y” models varies in numbers for each faction. You also select equipment (buffs basically) from a list for your faction and a generic list available to everybody. It’s a good system. You can build the team you want (to a point) but you can’t get lost in the weeds.

[@the_kieran_show]

Ah okay. So it's limited to a specific unit, like Pathfinders for example? No additional single models from exterior units

[@koz1138]

@@the_kieran_show Sort of, it depends on the team. Like the Tau list are just different variations of pathfinders with specific kit/loadout. But the AdMech team is a mix of rangers, vanguard, ruststalkers, etc. The new KT app has all the team lists in it, and as a bonus team rosters will always be free.

[@atlanta_greg_7612]

My name is Gregory and I am a WH40k addict. I started 4 months ago with the Ultimate Starter Set. I taught myself the basics on my 'Nids bc I didnt care about them. Finished the Space marine side and then I got the Dark Angels Combat Patrol (old one). Knocked that out and I just finished my Deathwing Knights last night. I got a box of Dark Angel Command Squad to work on in the background while I start on some other random Dark Angel heros (Azrael and Asmodai). HOWEVER, the new Kill Team with Plague Marines and Space Marines starter set was just pre-ordered and I am looking forward to using that to try to draw in a couple of friends :). Honestly I wish I would have started here but regardless I've really enjoyed the process. My Pile O' Shame is just the Blood Angel's Deathwing Army Box and the rest of my 'Nids. Love it and love the show! Cheers

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah that new kill team box is a great pickup!

[@Bimblewit]

I would love to take thing slowly but I really want to play with my friends. Currently trying to get something built and painted enough to play games that I can then take my time to really get into the hobby.

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah having a deadline is both a blessing and a curse!

[@wolfinstedd]

My advice go with chapter of space marine that is properly supported with name characters like blood angles or black Templars don’t pick a chapter that is some random. Named characters give you huge edge over less named ones. At moment I doing few 500 boarding action forces just to try different stuff to try

[@the_kieran_show]

Totally!

[@davidpaterson2979]

I love how you were referring to weeks when evaluating how much time your pile of shame represents - after nearly 30 years in the hobby (on and off, but mainly on) and a hoarders mentality of (almost) never getting rid of stuff, I don't know if my pile represents decades or possibly centuries 😂😂 Some really good advice here, but unfortunately I'm way too deep to contemplate taking any of it 😂

[@the_kieran_show]

Centuries 😂😂😂😂

[@Dave-jh7rj]

Stick to one army and paint every model to my best effort. I say this as I’m on 5 armies owned and currently eyeing up blood angels and the impending space wolves 🤦🏻‍♂️🫠

[@the_kieran_show]

Haha a tale as old as time!

[@lukehendriech3812]

I remember back in 7th edition where Kill team was a expansion to the Core 40k rules and that way you could jump from 40k to Kill team or vica versa with minimal difference between the games...... good times, good times

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah it was a good time!

[@KirbyBearMK]

As always thank you for another video guys. This was a really good one and some great points were made. Only thing to add is don’t be discouraged by the inevitable comparisons of your minis to others. To anyone reading this it will happen but everyone has a stage in the journey and enjoying the process is important in getting to the level of these masters your watching now and it will take time (still on that road myself) It sounds like a cat poster but it’s true. Thanks again guys!

[@the_kieran_show]

Thanks!!!!

[@stewartriley4690]

I remember when I got back I the hobby of actually building and painting and ended up running out of things to build and paint. Then I got into some horde armies built a bunch of stuff then couldn't paint for a year and a half as I was living with the in laws and they're very very anti mess. To be fair my warhammer unpainted pile is only about 140 minis (85 of which is a single skaven battle box from 2021) the rest is all the minis in the Darkest Dungeon and monster hunter world boardgames respectively

[@the_kieran_show]

Running out of things to build and paint? What is this magic 😂

[@lcdrfish8633]

My mistake was picking up leviathan and killteam into the dark at the same time (for breachers). Hadn't done research to see they were two different games technically. Distracted.

[@the_kieran_show]

Oooooooooft that’s tough!

[@omgponies111]

I would have started playing earlier with smaller 500pts games instead of waiting until I got way over 2000pts before I rolled any dice. Another thing would be to research and plan the paints I would need instead of just going to the store and ad-hoc buy citadel paints I didn't end up needing. Also I should have jumped ship from Citadel Contrast to Army Painter when Speedpaint 2.0 was released.

[@the_kieran_show]

Playing with 500 points at the start would have been a great idea!

[@Nixolotl]

If I could start over I'd rename myself Kieran Show to really mess with you guys. Also probably purely stick to AoS and Warcry rather than dipping into all the settings

[@the_kieran_show]

First part checks out 😂😂😂

[@itschris94]

what i regret is not buying the warhammer i wanted when it was in stock and not stocking up on black library

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah that’s a killer!

[@fliky90]

I've been in this hobby since 7th edition Fantasy and the only worthy advice I've heard is just buy the models you like.. Even if it isn't the same faction, this hobby is a marathon and about the journey not the destination. I also think the game and hobby is oversold on getting 2000 points asap, tournament top table results and competitive battles, the majority of this game was founded and played on the kitchen table with friends navigating around coffee mugs, coasters and cardboard. TLDR - Play your own way.

[@the_kieran_show]

Just buying the models you like is great advice!

[@davidwasilewski]

Just sold all my Warhammer (several grands worth). I’m just playing Legions Imperialis (8mm 30k) and Warmaster (10mm fantasy) to scratch that itch. I still enjoy historical games too. I’ve been playing since 1st edition Warhammer Fantasy Battles. The final straw was them dumping Beasts of Chaos from AoS and being advised to re-base it all and buy another of their games to use it all in (The Old World). Previous to this they’ve killed squats and all the old marines for 40k as armies… continuous rules changes, imbalanced rules and army lists, rules churn encouraging everyone to meta chase. I’m through.

[@the_kieran_show]

🫠🫠🫠

[@2dalmatians336]

I just started with a combat patrol of DW. My advice is take it one model at a time. Also I will not begin to paint until all minis are assembled. Also you will make mistakes...no big deal.

[@the_kieran_show]

Totally!

[@Mosaic117]

I reckon if I could start again in the hobby I probably wouldn’t even buy gw minis. I so much prefer the look of a “open sci fi” and I have spent ages on ages constructing my own sci fi narrative for all my games to take place in!

[@the_kieran_show]

That's an interesting take! Much kinder on the old purse strings too I bet.

[@windowwatcher4044]

that Malenia shirt is sick

[@the_kieran_show]

Isn't it!

[@Gigasius]

Honestly not much. Started in back in 3rd edition 40k and everything has build up pretty organically. One that comes to mind is that I should have been much, much less salty about AoS, as it has quite recently become one of my favorite things that GW makes.

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah that AOS point is true!

[@simonhenderson5500]

Killteam is a great way to get into the hobby. It gives you a chance to get a feel for what faction you like and enjoy painting. Then expand into 40k if you want. I dont do that and constantly buy new and shiny stuff 😂 If I could turn back the clock I wouldnt get rid of all my classics like Warhammer Quest when I started dating and going to Sunderland matches back in the late 90's 😂

[@the_kieran_show]

Classic do as I say not as I do 😂😂😂

[@simonhenderson5500]

@the_kieran_show 😂😂😂

[@Zeitgeyst]

I would know some of the lore first and love it (old warhammer fantasy or 40k. Then i would start again with OPR skirmish ruleset and buy the models that i like, from any company/creator...just a handfull. The ruleset and its army builder app is free and fun. I would still use the warhammer background of my choice for the narritive of my games. While mastering the rules in this small scale i would bumb up the initial warband to a whole army to play the bigger opr variant..still buying the minatures that i like most.

[@the_kieran_show]

Ooooo knowing some lore is a great shout! Really help with that immersion!

[@PretzlNinja]

Do not do what I did and buy Octarius and ended up with entires armies from both teams because I can’t decide what’s cooler….im so basic

[@the_kieran_show]

Ooooooft

[@khanayudash2475]

Me, personally? So far, not a damn thing tbh. I've been into the books since I was a kid, love Dawn of War and DoW2 as well - but I just started the hobby itself last year. Already owned an airbrush from other projects, and I chose to go with Imperial Knights, which despite being such a fucked way to learn the game, I still love them to death and I've since gotten over 3k points of them built and painted. I also got into 3d printing after only about 5 or 6 months from when I started, so I can actually afford to play and my deathwatch kitbashes and proxies are sick - my favorite thing to do at the moment is to make deathwatch alternatives to chapter specific characters/units- Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard, for instance, being 6 guys in fancy fucking inquisition armor with alien jetpacks and such

[@khanayudash2475]

For context, I bought my first kit, a used Knight Questoris Errant off Facebook marketplace last June, stripped it, had to fix some build mistakes the last guy made, and repainted it to learn how to paint minis. That knight is technically my 2nd warhammer model, but the loyalist space marine I got as a freebie from the warhammer shop and painted as a plague marine over a decade ago doesn't super count, since I didn't actually get into the hobby at that point and I had a TON of help doing it.

[@the_kieran_show]

Sounds wicked!

[@Spardin]

dont pick space wolves, all those wolfy bits are a pain to paint for a 13 year old lol

[@the_kieran_show]

Ahahahaha

[@offtankgaming1310]

That Malenia shirt is *lush*

[@the_kieran_show]

🫡🫡🫡

[@johnfarscape]

If I could start my whole GW journey over from 1988, I wouldn't have started playing Space Slann, Squats, Chaos Squats or Kislev, literally 100s of models that was all my birthday and Christmas presents for about 5 years, and 1000s of hours of my childhood spent painting was just waisted. .

[@the_kieran_show]

Wow, thats a lot!

[@starslayer2438]

What does count as a pile of shame? All your unpainted minis or only all your unassembled minis? (Your answer may shame me.)

[@the_kieran_show]

Both 😂😂😂

[@starslayer2438]

Nooooo! I have been shamed. Q_Q

[@codycurtin2295]

If i could start again i would make the big decision to paint my Minotaurs as Space Sharks

[@the_kieran_show]

Good idea! They are wicked

[@2dalmatians336]

I got into WH with weeks of research. I understood if I were to do this it would be my last hobby.

[@the_kieran_show]

Good job doing research upfront!

[@raese4076]

hmm, dont buy a pile of shame? glances at 4k points of Chaos Knights that Im waiting to paint until Im a better painter. Bad idea

[@the_kieran_show]

Hmm yes.. *Glances at pile of shame also

[@johnfarscape]

My first Warhammer game was adeptus Titanicus back in 88, then Dark Future, they were awesome games, if I was starting out now, my recommendation would be to pick space marines, as they will always be supported with new models or sculpts, and competitive to play, make your own chapter, so you can use different chapter rules to keep it interesting/competitive. .. I picked Eldar/Dark Eldar as my main armys, GW can never balance Eldar, your either so broken overpowered nobody wants to play you, or so overpointed and underpowered you loose 100s of games in a row, and they are barely supported with model releases, I'm still using some models from 2nd edition like Warp spiders 😂.

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah its really a rollercoaster for Eldar players! Both good and bad, Drukhari were crazy good when their book dropped in 9th!

[@MrTrenttness]

🔥🎸🔥

[@the_kieran_show]

🫡🫡🫡

[@zirrian]

If I could start over, I would not sell any of my armies, but rather complete them...

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah that’s good one 😂

[@jacawandersmok9043]

Warhammer? Technicly warhammer tm is the warhammer fantasy battle. And you ment 40 k right???

[@the_kieran_show]

Warhammer as in the hobby as a whole. Either AoS or 40K

[@jacawandersmok9043]

@the_kieran_show what about the old word? ;]

[@Squigmar]

Discount boxes aren’t worth the burnout, one kit at a time is the best advice to new people (I cry from atop a mountain of sprues)

[@the_kieran_show]

This is true!

[@erih2934]

Definitely don't do as I do, but if you do do it as I do completely... I got 20k points in 2 years when I came back to the hobby and 3 tables worth of terrain... I set myself a goal of finishing that within 5 years... 2 years in 8000 points and 2 tables painted... if you want a big pile of shame to not be depressing you better bring a ton of discipline... and Audible. Audible is your best friend. But if you want to stay sane, do it as Kierans recommdend it. Just skip buying Primaris Space Marines. You will be bored and disappointed in the long run.

[@the_kieran_show]

20k points?! That’s mental!

[@erih2934]

@@the_kieran_show i am too dumb for small projects... too many ideas... too little restrain...