If You Don’t Want Children, You’re Either Deluded or Immature

[@BingQiuSupremacy]

Someone accepting the fact that they wouldn't be a good parent is one of the most mature things a person can do

[@bonnobomonkey]

Nah, tells me you are scared of either your own weakness or scared of living life to the fullest. EVERY kid will grow to a person that will struggle, you, your mom brother sister, your girlfriend, everyone even pets will struggle yet get through this life, no matter how we end up, bc we all end up the same when it comes to a physical life.

[@BingQiuSupremacy]

@@bonnobomonkey Your username is correct, you are indeed a monkey

[@randomname3709]

​@@bonnobomonkeydamn with that mindset I hope you dont reproduce

[@jamielehman4934]

​@@bonnobomonkeyHow could every child-free person I've ever met who CHOSE not to have children, has absolutely no regrets? Even the ones in their 70's? 🤔

[@Dmb0617]

So they say…. No one wants to admit they made bad life choices. And if you think you’d be a bad parent, then I guess that’s a starting point to work on yourself.

[@lee48lee68]

If you’re deluded or immature that’s a perfect reason to not want children.

[@aizhanzhumadilova6979]

If you are, absolutely 💯

[@niceguy1774]

No one is arguing that immature, deluded men should have children. But merely identifying your weaknesses isn't enough. What excuse do they have for not improving those weaknesses?

[@niceguy1774]

@Spuffy4RockyHorror-mx2gk do you really think his message here is aimed at men with debilitating mental illness or serious diseases?

[@niceguy1774]

@Spuffy4RockyHorror-mx2gk so then you know that this message was not aimed at you.

[@niceguy1774]

@jimpyjumbo6303 no one "has to" have reason for anything. But mature, non-deluded men value well-reasoned decision making skills. They don't "have to", they choose to. Before you mistakenly think that this message is aimed at everyone, don't miss the part where he says "...Mother for your children..."

[@MelArg240]

Way too many deluded and immature people HAVE children... sad but true...

[@niceguy1774]

No one is arguing for more unfit parents.

[@cristianm7097]

​@@niceguy1774 It is genetical. The retarded ones multiply faster.

[@volkana1977]

​@@niceguy1774 ​you are, man. You are here arguing with everyone who decided to be childless and trying to convince them to have kids. When they say "I don´t feel prepared for that" you just keep saying "then prepare yourself because you will be a better person if you have kids". Nothing can be more wrong. I see a lot of unfit parents around there, actually most of them are unfit, and they are not getting any better just because they are parents... on the opposite... I see a lot of them losing their temper, sinking with debts and living a life full of stress and sadness. If this is your concept of "improve as a human being" sorry, I don´t want that.

[@niceguy1774]

@volkana1977 False. No one is arguing that immature, deluded people should have kids. The idea is that you address your flaws and weaknesses prior to becoming a parent. No one wants bad parents out there. What makes you "not prepared" exactly? Not prepared in what way?

[@cristianm7097]

@@niceguy1774 No one is prepared to be a parent, it is learned along the way, after having children.

[@socialservice576]

Not everyone is meant to be a parent

[@niceguy1774]

No one is arguing that immature, deluded men should become Fathers.

[@Apostate_ofmind]

but everyone is meant to *try to become the kind of person that could be a parent* .

[@CactusCowboyDan]

@@Apostate_ofmind Nobody is “meant” to do anything. There’s no rule or rightness to how people should live their lives. It’s all purely personal and subjective. So don’t assert that “everyone is meant” to do anything. Being a parent is not a one size fits all choice.

[@Apostate_ofmind]

@@CactusCowboyDan Are you alive? You're supposed to reproduce. Thats how life is in this universe. Are you a human? You're supposed to be a good human. How do we know? We violently selected, for millions and billions of years against 'no children' and 'antisocial' organisms. Even before becoming humans, even before becoming mammals, even before becoming vertebrates, all the way to unicellularity. Thats the final driver of living things. Youre literally antihuman.

[@niceguy1774]

@CactusCowboyDan Ah, So then it isn't true that some people are meant to not have kids. Yknow...cuz no one is "meant" for anything, and havr the ability to choose and change. Interesting.

[@drweetabix]

How many folk are deluded or immature when they have kids. Millions. Delusion and immaturity works both ways on this.

[@mrburns91]

Yes, and most of the time, having kids helps you to grow up. The only reason it doesn't seem to do that anymore is because we now seem to believe that you can have a successful family while also insisting on putting yourself first. When in reality, often the best thing you can do for yourself as a person is to think less of yourself and more about others

[@keegster7167]

@@mrburns91 can’t you serve others in a way other than having children though? Can’t you sacrifice for a number of different meaningful purposes? And sometimes doesn’t that make it exceedingly difficult or impossible to have children along with those aims? For example, if you have to travel a lot? And also, it seems a bit wrong to use kids as a part of one’s own personal experiment in testing one’s own maturity. I do believe that most people should have children though and that it benefits the human race even for somewhat immature people to have them, but there seems to be more pragmatic arguments for this than strictly moral ones

[@howiefelterup329]

​@@keegster7167your talking about a small fraction of people. Most people do not travel alot. Most people have jobs and not careers, most people dont have the opportunity to live meaningful lives in the way that you are describing. Thats less than 2% of the population. For the rest of the world, having children is more meaningful than anything you can do. Its certainly more meaningful than traveling and chasing a hedonistic selfish lifestyle.

[@mrburns91]

It's not about testing ones own maturity, but if you wait around till you're perfect enough to have kids you'll never have kids, its okay to make mistakes, it's okay to not be 100% mature or the world's most adjusted parent. In the history of parenting no one has ever done it exactly right. Most of the families out there that really screw up children are not the ones that aren't perfect they're the ones that accepted children as a consequence of having sex rather than understanding that it is a part of it's purpose, it used to be, and still in many cultures, it is seen as the evidence of a couple who love eachother rather than in North America where its seen as a result of improper planning. But if the intention is there, even if you aren't perfect, it'll be good. And it doesn't matter how much you help others, the sacrificial unconditional love of being a parent is not something that can be replaced.

[@keegster7167]

@@howiefelterup329 yes, I agree.

[@alexandervydrin1765]

Having children does not necessarily make you mature or not susceptible to delusions.

[@vincent_hall]

True, but it's usually a good idea to keep copying what's working: humans are the most intelligent and adaptable species (or one species mixed with little bits of other species) that we know of.

[@talongreenlee7704]

This is true, but assuming that that defeats his point is called the fallacy of the converse. He’s still right.

[@niceguy1774]

Okay, but no one is making the argument that simply having children necessarily makes you mature. Becoming a successful parent is mature.

[@LucareonVee]

@@vincent_hall Keep copying what is working? Clearly getting to 8 billion people is not working for our environment!

[@abstract3213]

Exactly. Peterson himself is a good example of that. 😁

[@kirkrammsy]

It's mature not to have children when you don't have resources to provide for them

[@Arete1977]

Many people don't just "have the resources," they work hard to afford a family and to become good parents.

[@volkana1977]

@@Arete1977 and most of them fail miserably

[@anurag.twentysix]

​@@Arete1977that's why there is so much poverty

[@SpitfireRoad]

Things happen. It did to me. and you either go with it or go against it. We kept him. Challenge is to not give up on your spouse and child and every day remember they are your gift.

[@gasserhegazy1267]

Thoes are called exceptions my friend

[@DarkNowInDachau]

Wanting kids and having them are two different things. I absolutely love kids and babies, but I want exactly zero of them around 24/7. I spent my entire life surrounded by people; family, schools, friends, jobs, relationships, room mates. I bought a house 7 years ago, and the 4 years I've lived completely alone have been the best, most peaceful years of my life.

[@niceguy1774]

So you don't have kids, nor do you want them.

[@paulryan2128]

​@@niceguy1774 Yeah, that's right! That's what he said ... are you going to try to MAKE something of it, the way you've done in so many other comment strings?

[@deathmetalcakefarts2751]

@@niceguy1774 you are the personification of “Misery Loves Company” sorry buns but we got 21 forms of birth control nowadays permanent and semi-permanent, go tend to your crumb crunchers now

[@katelynholmes9504]

Great path. It’s your life 🙌

[@DarkNowInDachau]

@@niceguy1774 great observation little buddy. Good job ⭐

[@ricekrispies563]

"All children deserve parents but not all parents deserve children" - Master Oogway

[@jout738]

Yes across 3,5 billion years there have been pleanty of inviduals that never made children, so what is wrong, that you decide to do so also realizing your not going to became that great of dad.

[@sonodietrodithe4iltuoincub848]

​@@jout738gne gne gne gne

[@iranjackheelson]

Too many people misunderstanding JP's point... if you know JP's messages, he's all about finding purpose in your life and deriving meaning in that process. What he's criticizing here is the casual postmodern attitude of thinking "reality is constructed, anything goes is fine" sort of immature mentality that fails to take into account of how incredibly complex human motivational systems are on biological level, where reproductive and nurturing instincts are intertwined into the brain in ways we're not even close to grasping. As he often repeats, people do not exactly understand what they want; it's something you discover by pursuing your purpose with discipline. What he's really saying here is that you shouldn't just naively assume not having children is an equal playing field as having children, ceteris paribus. Not having a children and having a purposeful life CAN be done, but you better know what is it that can replace that.

[@ricekrispies563]

@@iranjackheelson I wish his wording was better then. He made it sound like having children is necessary and the ultimate right thing to do no matter what your circumstances are or what you feel. Not everybody feels right being parents and not everybody is equipped to be one either. If there are many people who do not get his point and you have to explain it for him, is that really his point? Hes not doing a good job at making it then.

[@iranjackheelson]

@@ricekrispies563 anything can be taken out of context. you should blame the editor

[@Logan.Ninefingers]

Just because someone is smart doesn't mean they are always right.

[@saltycat662]

True. No one is perfect or right 100% of the time. He's not entirely wrong but he's not entirely right either.

[@Brandon-1996]

I think this clip is taken out of context, to some extent.

[@chrispalmer7893]

Peterson has the distinction of being neither smart nor right...

[@chrispalmer7893]

@@KnoKellovin Peterson doesn’t improve with context; there’s a reason why he’s got so many KZbin shorts. He’s even less convincing when given time to expand on his “thoughts”

[@Jean-luc44]

​@Chris Palmer most people disagree, unless they're politically opposed and biased.

[@NumberSeven1]

Shaming people into having children is very immature

[@niceguy1774]

Demand more from yourself and those around you. Mature people don't just feel shame because of their flaws, they actually work to improve them.

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 Mature people also realize that not wanting children is not a flaw. 😋

[@niceguy1774]

@@LucareonVee I'm not sure I understand why you have included the emoji. The OP seems to think that someone is in favor of parents who don't want children, which is not at all the case, but perhaps they will chime back in.

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 More like they seem to recognize what pronatalists are actually doing by making videos like these. 😋

[@niceguy1774]

@@LucareonVee perhaps, but we'll have to wait and see if the OP returns. I'm not sure I understand why you have included the emoji. Do you feel that it signifies maturity?

[@jquinoa5282]

My mother told me "if I knew it was going to be this way, I wouldn't have had kids"

[@niceguy1774]

And yet here you are, still choosing to still exist. How about that.

[@crazyjames864]

@@niceguy1774 It's not her fault she exists. 😶😑

[@niceguy1774]

@crazyjames864 existence is his choice. 100%. His Mother sounds like a real gem, and I wonder how long she chose to continue her own existence.

[@jquinoa5282]

​@@crazyjames864 He's just a troll desperate for attention

[@crazyjames864]

@@jquinoa5282 I know. I just want to back up the others who are victims of his trolling, bc I feel bad. I was once one of his victims.

[@ggates5371]

Some of the most mature people I know are childless. Some of the most immature people I know have kids.....and they keep having them repeatedly.

[@niceguy1774]

How incredibly anecdotal. People who score high in immaturity tend not to want children. What is it that keeps the mature people you know from having children?

[@ggates5371]

@@niceguy1774 that’s a nice hypothesis. Tell that to the moms popping out kids, just to collect more welfare.

[@wolfgangmozart888]

​@@niceguy1774 "score high in immaturity" Jesus get over yourself. Holy sh*t. You're trying to scientificize something entirely subjective and that varies a lot

[@antoniobento2105]

And if they didn't you wouldn't be here to write this comment

[@antoniobento2105]

@@aliciastoaks1955 His existance. Cookies included

[@IBACb]

Sorry to break your spell, but someone who knows themselves well enough to know that they dont want family life is actually realistic and mature.

[@DaniloSantosVieira]

wow must have read that comment a zillion times in this comment sesh already. Everyone has kids. The people who say they don't want them just end up having them on accident. You can't fight against it. Its in your DNA. Its like if you're a catterpillar and you say "i don't want to turn into a butterfly".

[@makalaadams4]

​@@DaniloSantosVieirawhat if you're asexual?

[@gallamy432]

Then you are not a caterpillar, u are some other animal. So, you do you basically

[@niceguy1774]

False. Stop patting these people on the back. Merely recognizing your flaws isn't worthy of commendation. Mature people actually work to improve their weaknesses.

[@niceguy1774]

@@joshyhush22 ah, the deluded angle, rather than the immature one. Without you around to save it, the planet would die as we are at an unsustainable level of population? My, my.

[@janiewarren3651]

I don’t want children for moral reasons. I don’t want to bring people into this world that would likely inherit the mental illnesses that have made my life hell.

[@niceguy1774]

"Likely"? How likely have you determined it is that they will inherit this illness, and how have you arrived at that number?

[@jonathann5205]

💯- he isn’t often wrong, but he EMPHATICALLY is here.

[@M.H.I.A.F.T.]

@@niceguy1774Many mental illnesses are heriditary. Many of the men in my family are severely autistic, generation after generation.

[@niceguy1774]

@Sharvalgon Okay, since Janie disappeared... How likely are you to pass on whatever illness it is to your child, and how have you arrived at that number?

[@RozitaVideo]

@@niceguy1774Why do you want someone to have kids when they don’t want to? If some is mentally ill, it could badly hamper their ability to parent. Why do you care if someone chooses not to have kids?

[@k8schmate]

20 years married, no kids. Not children haters, just never had the finances or mental capacity. No regrets.

[@niceguy1774]

What do you suppose left you so financially impotent, when so many others manage?

[@k8schmate]

@@niceguy1774 it’s very expensive where we live (Seattle) and extremely expensive to raise children in general, in the west

[@turboligma9927]

@@k8schmate You know what’s wrong, that’s always an amazing first step. Now ask yourself this: Have you tried creating a money generator instead of working for one? There are people who were in their 30s that went from cleaning houses to owning their successful money generator (a business) and they’re the happiest I’ve ever seen them been. It always begins with practice and persistence.

[@AsgarnianAle]

​@@k8schmatethey don't seem to have those problems in 3rd world countries

[@HelloThere.....]

Well I hope that is the case! I genuinely do. I hope you're telling the truth to me AND yourself deep down. I hope you never have any regrets. But I hope you don’t just SAY you don’t have regrets or force yourself not to. I hope you don’t have them because you actually did the best thing. I'm not wagging my finger at you. I'm not saying you should have kids because I think you should. I'm saying that if you were really able to see the future, if you were acting honestly and with your true best interests in mind (as well as your family and the world), and did everything you truly wanted to in life, is there really no kids there? If there aren't, cool it's your life I hope you're happy. But if there are, you can do it. You can and you should. You will be happy you did.

[@joeman550]

They’re more mature than “dads” who abandon their kids.

[@IrishFrank22]

Don't forget the mothers who abuse their kids and use them to punish their father in the family court or keep the father away to get more taxpayers money.

[@joeman550]

@@IrishFrank22 That too.

[@birdieculture]

​@@IrishFrank22 was gonna say exactly this I personally know a guy who "left" the daughter because that "mother" was literally insane. She badmouthed the dad whenever she could, then she also went around and slept with 3 different guys and had multiple kids after. PS: that daughter actually is with her dad now coz the mom's busy hooking up with other men. So it'd be nice to not label the dads bad just by looking at a single moment in time.

[@niceguy1774]

But why pretend that those are the only options you have? I suppose you could say immature, deluded people who don't want kids are better than mass murderers too, but why not demand more from yourself and those around you? Stop patting these people on the back for bare minimums.

[@joeman550]

And why do I need to “demand more from those around” me? It’s not my business whether or not other people have kids.

[@Pk-wu9tl]

It’s deluded and immature to judge others for not thinking the same way you do.

[@TheBent139]

Yes, this is where Peterson goes too far. Not sure why he doesn't realize this?

[@neroplay1590]

You said what I wanted to in the most succint way. Thank You.

[@Johnnysmithy24]

@@TheBent139 He’s gone off the rails

[@helojoeywala6622]

What if thinking the other way is objectively wrong though? Wanting to not reproduce is inherently, biology incorrect. If you aren't mentally or physically capable to have a child then you change and become that person that can have one. Obviously if you are a woman and you literally cannot have a chuld physically thats a different story and not the norm, in that case you can adopt or do some sort of surrogacy program so your genes are still in a child but not birthed by you.

[@Pk-wu9tl]

@@helojoeywala6622 just because we can, doesnt mean you should, have to or want to.

[@bumbleberryshortcake6099]

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but we are not our ancestors, and the world we live in is not the same as it was for them.

[@niceguy1774]

You think you have it tougher than people100 years ago? In what ways exactly?

[@jonathann5205]

💯

[@Anti-InternetTroll101]

@@niceguy1774 when did he say it was tougher? He said that our time is different from our ancestors time. Take reading comprehension classes.

[@niceguy1774]

@@Anti-InternetTroll101 I said he claimed it was tougher? I thought I asked a question. Either way, I anxiously await bumbleberry's response.

[@Anti-InternetTroll101]

@@niceguy1774 No, you were making an assumption, not a question. In no way, shape, or form did he mention that our times are tougher.

[@amycarolineott6575]

I will not be shamed for refusing to pass on generational trauma or really bad genetics. I will not be forced to breed because some guy says I have to.

[@niceguy1774]

How likely have you and your partner determined it to be that your offspring will inherit these things from you, and how have you arrived at that number?

[@TheSH1N1GAM1]

@@niceguy1774100% likely

[@antinataliz9633]

​@@niceguy1774what is the likelihood of your offspring suffering and how have you and your partner arrived at the predicted number?

[@firstlast9916]

Most women should have children. Maybe serious genetic problems would exempt women from it. Most men should not have children. Only the top 30% of men are even capable of supporting a family of 5.

[@mj-rg9kp]

Honestly, you’re chaining yourself down, not anyone else. Whoever did whatever to hurt you and made you come to that conclusion is not going to take responsibility for you missing out on life in a major way.

[@Sayu035]

Me not wanting kids isn't saying my ancestors are wrong. It's saying I don't want to have kids.

[@LucareonVee]

I always add to that that I wonder how many of my ancestors actually didn’t want kids, but still had them due to not realizing they had a choice. Honestly, I don’t really care whether or not I would exist. I’d rather people do what’s right for them.

[@niceguy1774]

What sort of reasons do you have for not wanting to become a successful parent?

[@jcastle1467]

@@niceguy1774they just don’t want to be parents. Respect people’s choices

[@niceguy1774]

@@jcastle1467 no one is arguing that anyone should he forced to have children. I understand that people don't want to become successful parents. I'm simply asking what reason Sayu035 has, and anxiously awaiting their response.

[@dido4659]

​@@niceguy1774Jesus Christ man you've been asking everyone under the comment section why they don't want to have kids. Are you like some sort of pedophile or something. Some People don't wanna have kids some people do it's simple as that. If you want to be cleaning someone's ass in the middle of the night everyday good for you some people don't want that. Just like some people choose to believe in God and some don't. It's not compulsory it's a fucking choice

[@Brother_O4TS]

As a guy who saw exactly how I and my siblings stressed the heck out of my parents, I can safely say I would not regret not having children.

[@niceguy1774]

Do your parents regret having you?

[@Brother_O4TS]

@@niceguy1774 No, but we were straight up menaces lol

[@skepitco59-bq9do]

He's so self absorbed and selfish he is only thinking of of his own immortality. No idea of compassion for anyone's circumstances. He's a moron!

[@ChrisThePhoenix]

​@@niceguy1774 Did you really have to go there?

[@niceguy1774]

@mnm9492 did your stressed-out Mom regret it?

[@itsmahsa2541]

A (DOCTOR) shouldn’t attach such labels to people who’s circumstances he is not aware of.

[@luisablandonmos]

My exact thoughts.

[@moniqueprins6426]

Yes, this.

[@niceguy1774]

Give us an example of the circumstances you are referring to.

[@moniqueprins6426]

@niceguy1774 The myriad of circumstances which JP has blatantly disregarded by reducing this to 'either/or'. A simple imagining will allow you to come up with a couple at least.

[@itsmahsa2541]

It’s unbelievable that he would make such a statement. People have financial issues, marital problems, genetic medical conditions, no time or energy to care adequately for a child, health, problems and disabilities etc. i’m definitely not saying people who fall into the above categories should not have children, but some may feel that they just wouldn’t cope and they shouldn’t be judged for that.

[@ronancasey7289]

Jordan Peterson is one of those people that needs to speak on everything. Sometimes it’s better to be silent

[@rolfkrajewski4975]

And most of the time he just bursts out crying

[@leylalo4927]

Not at all. He is right and you are pissed of

[@bellbottom3202]

Fact. He only kept mum when andrew made love with his daughter. Other than that, he talks alot.

[@rubenkeller5543]

@@ronancasey7289 your simply an idiot if you trying to start an Argument withsomone or judge someones stance from a five second long Video. Ever read one of his books? Probably not. Then you would have to actually take some time to think about it.

[@colinjava8447]

Yeah he spreads himself way too thin, and a lot of what he says is nonsense, especially on religion where he just talks gobbledegook.

[@aizhanzhumadilova6979]

People who got children for the sake of having children and secretly regretting it, it’s your time to shine 😂👍🏻

[@niceguy1774]

Oh? And how have you chosen to shine?

[@aizhanzhumadilova6979]

@@niceguy1774 clearly not like that )

[@niceguy1774]

@aizhanzhumadilova6979 so you have not chosen to shine in that way. Understood. So in what ways have you chosen to shine?

[@aizhanzhumadilova6979]

@@niceguy1774 better ask your kids that question) good luck with that btw)

[@niceguy1774]

@aizhanzhumadilova6979 I agree that it's important for parents to talk to their children about such things. So how have you chosen to shine in your life?

[@SabrinaKim-Lee]

I’m cool with being “deluded and immature” I’m still not having kids🤗

[@jamalwilliams3674]

Me too😊

[@DaniloSantosVieira]

you won't be singing that tune forever. Which is exactly the point he makes...

[@SabrinaKim-Lee]

@@DaniloSantosVieira and how do you know? Are you some sort of mind reader?

[@TheCuriousCat2009]

​@@DaniloSantosVieiramisery loves company

[@xyeB]

@@TheCuriousCat2009yes

[@vortbio]

That was the worst argument I've ever heard.

[@niceguy1774]

He's spoken volumes on the subject, on several different platforms, for years. As a man, what reason do you have for not wanting children?

[@Anti-InternetTroll101]

@@niceguy1774 I’m asexual

[@niceguy1774]

@@Anti-InternetTroll101 do you really believe that his message here is aimed at you?

[@Anti-InternetTroll101]

@@niceguy1774 I’m a man though

[@niceguy1774]

@Anti-InternetTroll101 yes, you are an asexual man. Perhaps Vortibo is as well, but I will wait for his response. So as an asexual man, do you actually believe that this message was aimed at you?

[@Emsw613]

I’m grateful for people who don’t want children. No one should be born into a world like this.

[@niceguy1774]

If the world is so awful that it doesn't warrant existence, then why haven't you left yet?

[@niceguy1774]

Typical.

[@Zienex38]

​@@niceguy1774sakanigadik

[@niceguy1774]

@rushiraul4084 It doesn't have to be "eventual". Which is why I asked Alana "yet".

[@Superficial_Intelligence]

​@@niceguy1774 Dying is hard man. Trust me I've tried.

[@NomadSupreme911]

the arrogance necessary to believe that the universe NEEDS a replication of you is immeasurable.

[@niceguy1774]

How measurable is the arrogance of the deluded Westerner who thinks they are a saving the universe from destruction by not becoming a successful parent?

[@RandomSkull420]

Fr

[@pierrex3226]

Well he's not saying that, but if too few people do reproduce, then societies collapse. And the assumption is that's a bad thing. I got to say the end of civilization doesn't sound like a goal to aim for

[@bcar456]

Those idiotic nihilists are everywhere … sad

[@niceguy1774]

Perhaps basing your life decisions upon what the universe "NEEDS" is not a very smart way to try and live. I mean the universe didn't NEED you to exist, or comment, and yet here you are...

[@marim5620]

So have kids just because everyone else before us did? That’s dumb

[@niceguy1774]

This message is aimed at men.

[@carmensavu5122]

@@niceguy1774 That's irrelevant to what the comment you are replying to was saying. Are you aware of that, or does it just not matter to you?

[@lucasworktv]

No

[@No-ny3co]

​@@niceguy1774that literally has nothing to do with what the original comment said.....like are you illiterate or something 😂

[@Hap_Shaughessy]

​@@No-ny3cothis guy is all over the comments trying to shame people for not wanting to have kids. For some strange reason.

[@carriebailey4455]

Our ancestors wanted sex and children were the natural consequence. We don't have to make that choice, Jordan.

[@niceguy1774]

Did you just assert that no male ancestors wanted children? Just how long is it that you think people have understood how to have sex without the "consequence" of children?

[@auscaliber1]

makes one wonder what the purpose of the urge for sex might be...

[@carriebailey4455]

@@auscaliber1 Never had an orgasm, lol?

[@carriebailey4455]

@@niceguy1774 I'm saying Jordan Peterson is wrong to say that all our ancestors wanted children and that saying people who don't want children are either deluded or immature. People in the past had relationships for many different reasons besides children: financial benefits or pleasure, most obviously. People are worried about the declining birth rate and this is a common claim to make. I get why they're looking for answers and passing judgement, but we should remember that it's only been a couple generations where people have had this choice (safely). We can't know what people without that choice would have wanted. All we know for sure is that quite a lot were so willing to go without children that they entered monasteries and abandoned their families.

[@niceguy1774]

@@carriebailey4455 so "a couple of generations". Interesting. So you didn't mean to suggest that none of our ancestors wanted children? Because it certainly seems like it.

[@Lex2034-f7y]

I am so glad I am childfree. Not everyone suppose to have kids, especially those without the money, time, mental stability, resources,etc. Some women and men don’t want them sir. #childfreemovement

[@niceguy1774]

So you are mature and not deluded...yet your finances, time management skills, mental health and "resources" are in chaos. Your life sounds like a complete mess, and while it's good that you don't have a child, I wish you luck in bringing order to your health and your life. allah-speed.

[@Lex2034-f7y]

@@niceguy1774 what makes you think I am referring to myself? lol 😂 projection is high with this one. I am children and able to afford kids. I just don’t want them. lol 😂 you can’t force kids on people. My life is wonderful. 6 figure and well educated. However, I know that is not the case for many women especially those relying on men like you. lol 😂

[@niceguy1774]

@@Lex2034-f7y this message is aimed at men. So why talk hypotheticals rather than share what reasons you yourself have for not wanting a child?

[@bule678]

Why do people get so mad when other people don’t want to have kids?

[@PerennialQuest]

People are such weirdos fr😭💔

[@LucareonVee]

The only ones I know who are mad about it are ones who wish they didn’t have kids or ones who hate freedom.

[@niceguy1774]

@LucareonVee ah, so it's about freedom, eh? You would prefer to keep your time and resources to yourself to do with as you please, rather than take on the responsibilities associated with successful parenting?

[@bule678]

@@niceguy1774 I’d rather just do my own thing than have kids.

[@niceguy1774]

@bule678 and by "do my own thing", you mean keep your time and resources to yourself to do with as you please, yes?

[@surlespasdondine]

Unfortunately some of the most immature people I know had kids and some of the most mature ones didn't.

[@niceguy1774]

The mature, capable people deciding not to have kids are likely deluded, depending upon their reasoning (or lack thereof).

[@surlespasdondine]

@@niceguy1774 Not really. There are plenty of good reasons not to have kids. It's a great sacrifice to have them and for the sake of the kids, only people who really really want them should have them. Being "capable" is not enough.

[@niceguy1774]

@@surlespasdondine would you say there is a difference between reasons for not wanting kids and reasons for not having kids? "Plenty of reasons" like what? What would an example of 3 reasons a capable Westerner doesn't want kids look like?

[@rocioluque956]

​@@niceguy1774I'll give you an example of three reasons: 1) people who don't like children, 2) people who doesn't have the economy to raise children, 3) people who doesn't have the patience or desire of having kids.

[@niceguy1774]

@@rocioluque956 impatience is a flaw, and mature people aim to work on their weaknesses rather than simply accept them. "Economy" is a reason to not have a kid, rather than a reason to not want one. "Because they don't like/want kids" doesn't tell us much. What is it that they don't like about kids exactly? I anxiously await Surlespasdondine's reply.

[@evangeline1983]

Unbelievable. Everyone isn’t parent material.

[@JoeyRizzurro]

You think everyone who has had kids was “parent material?” I’ll put this one in the deluded category.

[@petepistola9546]

​@@JoeyRizzurro You completely read his comment wrong. So you're the deluded one here sorry.

[@ryorx7839]

@@petepistola9546He didn’t actually read it wrong, he was saying that people may have kids and not be parent material. He was agreeing with him but bringing up the fact that some may not be ready to be parents but are. Think outside the box and READ them maybe you won’t streamline everyone who might disagree with you to being “deluded”.

[@TheMilwaukeeProtocol]

As a school teacher, I see this often. There is a no greater destructive force than an unwanted child.

[@EternityPTR]

Anyone who’s willing for the responsibility is ready, there’s no tutorial to being a parent you just have to be it and take full responsibility, which means, being mature, and you’re right most 30 year olds nowadays aren’t willing to take any responsibility. But that’s the problem they chose to keep cus they cowardly and childish, I believe some people are born for celibacy, but the rest should all be parents

[@Karma7711]

I think it’s much more mature to NOT have children if you truly don’t want to and don’t have the time or resources. Edit: a lot of people assume having a child magically makes you a mature and responsible person, which isn’t true. You can’t use a child as your personal gratification to feel like you’re a grown up now.

[@niceguy1774]

No. You mistakenly think that he wants immature deluded men to have kids. He doesn't. You mistakenly think that someone here is suggesting that having a child will necessarily make an immature man less immature.

[@CactusCowboyDan]

@@niceguy1774I’m guessing you have kids, so your point it proven that they don’t make you less immature and deluded. Lol

[@pammiasmr9068]

Well he can't always be right...

[@howiefelterup329]

Nah hes pretty spot on here

[@pammiasmr9068]

@@howiefelterup329 nope And I'm only basing this on your immature name.

[@The_Dutch_Jaguar]

He is right.

[@howiefelterup329]

@@pammiasmr9068 oh no.. not my name. If your offended by a youtube name then I would say you are the one who is immature and thin-skinned. Miserable because you cant find anyone who wants to have kids with you

[@samhit9857]

You hate yourself so much you wished humanity stopped well sorry bruh we soldiers out here we'll hold the fort and have plenty childrens all well fed.

[@memedavis4228]

If you don’t want kids, don’t have them. Never mind what JP says, you do you!

[@Morbutt]

you do you at your own peril, is the point

[@Morbutt]

@m_train1 I'm sure he has had plenty of clients in his office who have regrets over not having children. Based off his books it sounds like most of his clients are the affluent types who committed themselves to a career in lieu of building a family

[@drewdurbin4968]

Being a parent isn't required to become a complete person. Parents tell themselves that as a cope.

[@Morbutt]

@@drewdurbin4968 No they are speaking from experience. The only one coping is you.

[@talongreenlee7704]

If you don’t want kids, then you should assume that that’s going to continue to be the case for the rest of your life, because people never change their minds on things and other people who’ve experienced more than you have can’t be right about anything. They’re just old fuddy duddies who don’t understand how the world really works. Being stupid like that is how they made themselves rich and affluent. Now if you’ll excuse me, my unicorn is here to take me to Narnia.

[@deeporter7369]

Ironically, many parents I know are the most immature, selfish people I know. He's wrong on this.

[@niceguy1774]

The idea is that you get your life in better order and grow into someone capable of becoming a successful parent. No one wants bad parents, and immature, selfish people don't make good parents.

[@aquaspawsonlyalt]

@@niceguy1774yes. immature and selfish people like ones that have conditional love, want kids to take care of them, so they won’t be lonely, and still have children even though they aren’t going to unconditionally love them. I’m not going to be selfish and have kids so i’m not lonely. I don’t need a “Gift” right now. My mental health isn’t good and a “gift” wouldn’t help that. a mental hospital would. i’m not going to bring up and take full responsibility for a person and do everything for them if i can barley do that for myself. it would be very hard and make my situation miserable and theirs too.

[@niceguy1774]

@annsdennbackup Yes, selfish people don't make good parents. No one wants bad parents. I wish you all the best in getting your life in better order. Hopefully it will be worth your efforts.

[@andytay5507]

You're in a bad group.

[@sheiansh]

​@@niceguy1774this is best comment, these ppl have one dimensional minds

[@jamesblevins4512]

I don't care what this guy thinks. I don't want children and I'm not having them when I'm older.

[@niceguy1774]

Why is it that you don't want to become a successful Father?

[@Ogrematic]

I don't want kids. My line ends with me. I have spoken.

[@LucareonVee]

😎🍻

[@niceguy1774]

Why is it that you don't want kids?

[@Ogrematic]

@@niceguy1774 I had a daughter. She died.

[@niceguy1774]

@@Ogrematic ah, so then there was a time that you wanted to be a successful Father.

[@Ogrematic]

@@niceguy1774 I never wanted my own kids. Stepdaughter.

[@michaelkcolejr]

A lot of deluded and immature people have children. My wife and I have been together 20 years and no children. We didn’t want any.

[@niceguy1774]

Why is it that you didn't want to become a successful Father?

[@michaelkcolejr]

@@niceguy1774 because I dislike kids. And I enjoy my life as it is. You chose to be a father. That's perfectly fine. I chose not to. Also perfectly fine.

[@niceguy1774]

@@michaelkcolejr what is it that you and your wife dislike about the children (belonging to other people) that you have met?

[@CactusCowboyDan]

@@niceguy1774 Are you still asking pointless questions? Give it a rest.

[@michaelkcolejr]

@@niceguy1774 we were both in education for years. And do not want to be bothered with them. Look, we like our lives as they are. We have 2 dogs, we can travel when we want. We can do pretty much what we want without be saddled down with children. We have freedom that having children takes away Your choice is to have them and i respect it. Our choice is to not.

[@leftthatbehind6090]

It’s immature of him to call people immature for not wanting children… the irony

[@niceguy1774]

Oh? And how is that exactly?

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 Because it’s a personal choice which doesn’t involve him. So he should ignore it. 😘

[@niceguy1774]

​@LucareonVee so you feel that Social Science is immature, and that such studies are worthless, we should all just "ignore". Okay. I anxiously await Leftthatbehind's response. Do you reckon it will be profound?

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 No, I think he’s only looking at social science from a religious fundamentalist standpoint and thinks that’s the only valid one. I don’t care what OP responds. Only giving my view. 😘

[@niceguy1774]

@@LucareonVee but it's immature to be involved in the personal choices of others, right? Like...what is it that you think clinical psychologists do? What do you think the social Sciences are?

[@Unknown-kc8xz]

A wise message for "niceguy1774" : you dont need a specific reason to not to have kids, reproducing is an action while not reproducing is just absence of that action. So you need a reason to perfom an action , you need a reason to have kids not for being childfree lmfao. Its like asking a random guy "whats the reason you don't want to climb Mt Everest" while u literally need a reason to climb it.

[@LucareonVee]

He’ll never accept that. We’ve all been saying this for months. That’s why he shouldn’t really be taken seriously. He should just be laughed at. 😎

[@paulryan2128]

​@LucareonVee He's been a major TROLL in this comment string, that's a sure thing.

[@newtvii45]

I've seen him take comments and completely misinterpret them (predictably on purpose) into something that the OP never once suggested nor implied, and when they get called out for it they backpedal and go "I'm just asking questions" I don't want kids, and assuming I still don't when I'm older, i don't agree with calling people deluded or immature for simply not wanting them. kinda similar to what you said, it's the same as not wanting to move country. you might not want to because you are happy with where you are and don't seek to make such a life changing decision. Same as how, you might not want children because you're happy with how your life is right now and seek to keep it that way.

[@nomadiavan6560]

My baby factory didn't work and I accepted that. I have had a full life and a husband. I am glad others have the babies. We need them.

[@ninam8089]

Adoption was always an option.

[@theresahenderson3534]

​@@ninam8089 Personally I didn't want to adopt without having the balance of a man in my life in the form of a husband since I especially think adoptive children need balance. I saw the damage to children when single women raise children alone without this fundamental balance. I saw children develop into masculine females and feminine or weak Momma's boys.

[@onlyhappensonce]

cope

[@terrykelly6113]

​@@ninam8089 adoption is a corrupt business. They charge extravagant fees.

[@zephyrus3554]

We don’t need babies. The universe does not demand human babies. Life is completely unnecessary.

[@lioness2000]

I am happily married to childfree man as a childfree woman.

[@LucareonVee]

🍻😎

[@gymislife-lifeisgym928]

I am so happy for u i want that too!

[@niceguy1774]

The message here is aimed at men.

[@fart63]

@@niceguy1774men and women have the same choices so it doesn’t matter who it’s aimed at

[@MeganZitaChannel]

You’re so lucky! Every man I date wants to have children. I hope I find a child free man I can travel and have fun with.

[@JCCharts]

I wanted kids until I reached 40. When it didn’t happen by then, I accepted my reality and enjoyed my life as it is. Besides, my wife can’t have kids and I didn’t want to make her feel worse than she already did about the situation

[@paraglidingprospector]

“Well, then you must be deluded and immature” - JP

[@check9094]

@@paraglidingprospector That's if you don't want kids genius. OP said he did want kids.

[@paraglidingprospector]

@@check9094 You seem… deluded and immature.

[@kathystclair9485]

Some people literally cannot have children and mourn that for the rest of their lives. It is good that you have come to terms with it and have accepted it. Blessing.

[@flyingdoctor90]

Well you can adopt

[@srrealism1530]

All those ancestors were not living in a world with 8.1 billion other people. It is a studied phenomenon that animals lose interest in breeding when a population becomes too dense. The behavioral sink.

[@niceguy1774]

So at 7 billion all is well? What number do you find acceptable?

[@Leenabrown12]

There is absolutely nothing wrong if you don’t want children.People need to quit ostracizing people who do not want kids.

[@LucareonVee]

@Georgiedhd How about you go beyond biology 101 then and actually learn that human intelligence has evolved to be able to understand the sex drive as well as overpopulation, hence their abilities to act counter to certain urges? “Normal” when it comes to “social norms” is an outdated concept. I don’t care about “normal.” It sounds boring to me. 😋

[@CactusCowboyDan]

⁠@GeorgiedhdLet me give you a few names of people you might have heard of who never had kids: Leonardo Di Vinci Albeit Einstein Issac Newton Mother Teresa Queen Elizabeth I Dr Seuss Oh and Jesus That’s just naming a few from thousands of others. Would you say any of them were “brainwashed”? While they were changing the world with their work?

[@CactusCowboyDan]

@Georgiedhd Also overpopulation is a far more dangerous scenario then population decline. A decline of humans in the world is a problem that can be easily managed. Our economies have survived worse. And we will just have to accept that old people will have to start dying out instead of being put through life extending care. Overpopulation leads to wars for resources and environmental disaster. Two things that are world ending threats that we all want to avoid at all costs. Wouldn’t you agree?

[@LucareonVee]

@Georgiedhd Sure, honey, and more people to misuse those resources is definitely the answer. 🤣🤣 Yeah, all those houses and crap, if they’re left empty, then nature reclaims them like it’s reclaimed Chernobyl. You sound like you’re the one who’s been brainwashed by pronatalist propaganda. 😋

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

⁠​⁠@@CactusCowboyDanOverpopulation is not a problem since there is plenty of land left to farm and move into. Millions of Fields and more fields of empty land waiting to have a suburb or a farm built over it. And I guess your life privileges have been revoked citizen, one less mouth to feed after all.

[@childrenwithdynamite2959]

Imagine the best argument you have is "because other people do it". Then call people names if they don't agree with you

[@rocknroll1]

Completely agree. That argument is ridiculous. Most people are sheep and would walk off a cliff to their death if everyone else did.

[@niceguy1774]

You can't possibly believe that he has no rationale for people becoming successful parents, can you? Surely you know who he is, and that he has spoken at length on the subject countless times?

[@wings0nfire52]

I feel this counter point is rather illogical, after reading this comment section I've seen some logical rational arguments to be made against his point and I believe the situation is a little more complicated than everyone should have kids. However this is the most illogical of the arguments, simply put society does things in general because others do it and is shown to us the importance of doing it and that it works. Take a look at how the whole of society functions including getting a job, social situations, school is built on doing what others tell you to do. You gain knowledge and wisdom by following the wise to lead first you must follow. So yes don't do dumb things others tell you but to say that it's a matter of everyone following what someone says as your only counter point because you did not like his point is illogical. Now whether you disagree with this or not is a different discussion perhaps instead of bashing him for his belief in this regard state why you disagree with it.

[@thedevilsadvocate5210]

Take the experimental jab

[@Watashi_wa_robottodesu]

​@@niceguy1774 I think you watch too much JP you're trying to talk like him

[@ericcharles8081]

How pathetic can someone be that they believe shaming others into having children is not deluded or immature. Why are people so “bothered” when another person doesn’t want children? It’s completely ridiculous and those who feel some type of way about it, get a life 😂😂

[@niceguy1774]

Except that he hasn't argued that immature deluded men should have kids. They shouldn't, and no one wants them to via "shame" or otherwise.

[@SimonaRich]

Absolutely true

[@ecos889]

Also their are many legitimate reason, some people literally cannot make them and grieved about it already and made their peace with not having kids. Or you could be from a poor family and decided to play a supporting role for your siblings kids. It's not just simply hurrr durr we don't like kids. Most childfree kids love children, just know we don't want them or know we would suck as parents lol. Personally I love kids, but know I would not want them as it restricts my freedom so I would not gain knowledge that I can use to help support and help my family. Their is complexity their that just a blanket. "You are deluded and immature."

[@niceguy1774]

@@ecos889 so as a mature man of worth, what do you mean by "restricts my freedom"?

[@ecos889]

To take risks, when you have children it's more difficult to move around and move up in a career, build a business and also to put myself in risky situations to play out possible scenarios that family members may want to try or experience. Having children makes it difficult to take financial risks to see what works and what does not as if I make all the mistakes under the sun I can help my siblings who I have an 8 year age gap between myself and my eldest younger sibling and help teach them things our alcoholic father did not. It also gave me time to prepare myself for the inevitable damage to my younger siblings to start to kick in their adult hood. I was aware even back then the cycle they may start going into and the non-financial related risks involved entering relationships as I was aware the toxic issues would likely occur to me as people from broken households are more likely to enter those relationships. I had 2 1 was healthy but had poor timing and another was as predicted. When a sibling was in a similar situation half a decade later I knew what steps to take to support them. From the accumulated knowledge and experience of putting myself in trail by fire so to speak, I can have and have been able to help my siblings in ways I could never been able to do so if I had kids. Also by extension be prepared to help out nieces and nephews if for whatever situation where the shared trauma that was caused by abuse in the family where to screw them over I would be in the posiion to take over and look after them by being childhood free too where I would have to take less financial risk, but eh easy sacrifice. Also I can support my mum financially as well, so my younger siblings do not have to and can get a better start with me. So yeah, I have had to take the role of an adult father to my adult siblings, but I am fine with that, I knew the long-term consequences of the abuse and prepared as necessary. @@niceguy1774 If I had kids none of this would have been possible, as all my investment and rightly so would be that. But that likely would have resulted in a few of my siblings dying as a consequence of not being able to get help that I had the energy to support them and support my mum support them through stuff like addiction, abusive relationships, deteriorating mental health etc.

[@DulcetNuance]

Children have nothing to do with maturity. Let people have their damn choice. Enough deluded and immature people DO have children. Wanting them or not wanting them will not suddenly make you a competent and mature parent and vice versa. Some people have kids they never intended to have and end up as great parents.

[@niceguy1774]

He hasn't argued that immature, deluded men can't want children. He hasn't argued that people who don't want kids should have them. They shouldn't.

[@edwardlewis1963]

You can want children all you want, doesn't mean it's a good idea for you.

[@howiefelterup329]

You need to ask yourself why that is? Your goal should be setting yourself up to have kids and making the lifestyle changes in order to make it a good idea. If your not doing that your deluded and chasing hedonism

[@edwardlewis1963]

@@howiefelterup329 Your goal should be to be the best version of yourself that you can be. You shouldn't be thinking about having kids if you are not even married.

[@howiefelterup329]

@@edwardlewis1963 You are not saying anything I haven't already said. "Setting yourself up to have kids and making lifestyle changes in order to make having kids good Idea for you." This means becoming financially independent, becoming a partner worth marrying (working on your shortcomings), and then finding a partner worth marrying (someone who has worked on their shortcomings.) Obviously, that's what was meant as marriage is the foundation for childrearing in a safe and sufficient manner so I don't know the point of your redundant response.

[@LucareonVee]

@@howiefelterup329 What if I worked to become a person who is worthy of having children… and still decided not to have children? 😋

[@MR.COMMONSENSE1776]

What if your scared to bring an innocent child into this evil world?

[@TheTishy44]

Dude….no. Just no. If you don’t want to have kids, that’s their choice.

[@niceguy1774]

He isn't arguing that anyone should be forced to have kids. He isn't suggesting that it's a good idea for immature or deluded men to have kids.

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 But he is suggesting that not wanting kids automatically makes a person immature or deluded. And that’s just wrong. 😋

[@Debiwonda]

​@@niceguy1774I really wonder how much free time it is you have on your hands to be replying every comment. Do you just sit around waiting for people to comment so you can tackle them? That's really immature. I wonder why you aren't working on yourself. You know, as a mature adult, you don't always have to reply to everything people say, especially when they don't mention you.

[@niceguy1774]

@@Debiwonda what do you mean "tackle"? Which of my two sentences here do you disagree with?

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

And it’s a choice that’s contributing to a problem so existentially threatening to the species that soon the climate will be one of our least concerns. Many countries are simply not going to survive this century.

[@mariecait]

Children deserve emotionally stable parents. Not many people are emotionally, financially and mentally stable or prepared. I know myself well enough to know a child deserves better than my temper and depressive disorder. 😢

[@dupdome3131]

@@MsGreenmermaid you could also better yourself

[@levranz1054]

Excuse me, sir. I'll like to argue otherwise. Les say, even if you are the most pathetic person on the world. What bearing children does to you is that it puts on you an adventure to sacrifice the said rotten state of being... Think of it as a chance of redemption, and what happens when rejecting this chance is that, you forever are stuck in the same pitiful state of being... And this opportunity or any other for the said matter allows for you the two possible outcomes: Failure and Success... And YOU WILL HAVE TO CONTEND with these possiblities one way and the another, as long as you live in the world... WE HAVE TO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO CONTEND WITH THE POSSIBILITIES OF FAILURE AND SUCCESS, and have them keep in mind the failure and teach them how to attain success I know there will be failures, many failures... Those are the nuances. But the day we start teaching people not to contend with adventure because it can bring about a failure, is the day the world will be doomed... The cost the world will have to pay cannot even compare to the way it is. Like please, take a moment and think about this, I'm saying this the most pleadingly... Look at the world around you, where there is not failure and success? Like uk, the idea you are trying to put around here is that "You are too pathetic to go on this adventure, You'll fail do not do this". When the required thing would be to encourage this telling "I know it'll be hard, it'll test u as a human being. But do not worry, if u let go of ur selfishness and pride, I know u can do this"

[@mariecait]

@@dupdome3131 or she can live her life and not worry about what men think women should be doing ❤️

[@dupdome3131]

@@mariecait i would say that to a man too, if you want to have kids why would you accept inferiority and not do what you want rather than actually work on yourself? that's what she needs to hear.

[@dupdome3131]

@@MsGreenmermaid you're right, since you're not a man, you should give up on what you want because it takes time to heal. this is weak mentality that leads to such problems in the first place.

[@Mr_McPickle]

What’s immature is devoting your life to reproducing without being sure you are ready or want them.

[@niceguy1774]

No one has argued that immature men should have kids.

[@niceguy1774]

@Cyclone-vm6jc Preposterous. Deluded, immature men tend to make bad Fathers. No one wants bad Fathers out there. No one here is arguing that men who don't want kids should have kids, or that having a kid will necessarily rid anyone of their immaturity or deluded ways.

[@niceguy1774]

@Cyclone-vm6jc I don't understand where you are getting this. He said men who don't want children are either deluded or immature. How do you derive from that someone is suggesting that such men should have kids? Why would someone want immature, deluded men to have kids?

[@niceguy1774]

@Cyclone-vm6jc I don't think you understand what logic is. There is absolutely nothing at all incompatible about saying that men who don't want kids are immature, and also saying that they should not have kids because they are immature. What contradiction are you imagining there? Having kids that they don't want won't magically fix them. What do you think of the concept that a man matures and gets his life in better order *prior* to actually having a child? Can you imagine?

[@Mr_McPickle]

@@niceguy1774 But the message of the video is that reproducing is something you should do, because if you don't then you're deluded or immature. The point of the video is trying to convince you to reproduce. I'm saying that mindlessly having kids is itself immature, and realizing you don't want or aren't ready for kids is mature.

[@thatjerrycan5505]

Peterson is like that grandfather you adore and look up to for advice; but every once in a while he'll say some whack shit but you kinda just let it slide cause you love your grandfather and you know he has a good heart.

[@graphs1524]

​@Jessie Yes

[@enzolumare5680]

@Jessie yes

[@thatjerrycan5505]

​@jessie6600 Frankly, kinda. You should have kids because you want to raise a child you will love. You shouldn't have kids because you are afraid of being lonely. That just doesn't sound fair for the kid. Dont get me wrong though, I do believe western society needs to focus on better upbringing for our future generations. I just dont see how guilting people into having kids will help this issue. If one doesn't want to become a parent, then they should at the very least be a child's teacher when the need arises. After all it takes a village to raise a child!

[@thatjerrycan5505]

​@@user-ic1yv1rr1t tbh, well said! I don't really think he's necessarily wrong either; but his wording is rather unprecise and dismissive compared to his other talking points. I do believe western society needs to focus on better upbringing for our future generations. I just dont see how guilting people into having kids will help this issue. If one doesn't want to become a parent, then they should at the very least be a child's teacher when the need arises. After all it takes a village to raise a child!

[@unorthodox5023]

Nuce undermine.

[@dianecastellon6227]

Please don't have children if you don't want them. It's very hard physically and emotionally to be a good parent, especially for us mothers.

[@dayanajagpat9976]

​@ghilas oubadi why

[@dayanajagpat9976]

@ghilas oubadi many abuse their children, or have issues and they know for a fact that they will abuse their children. What should those do. I hear what your saying and I do think motherhood is a beautiful thing but not everyone is meant for the role. Some women have aspd and they just can't feel emotion. There's a sub on reddit were many parents admitted to regretting their kids, but force themselves to hold down their feelings. Many mothers admit to never feeling love for their children, but only hatred and bitterness. And it's not just women who sleep around, many of these are women who were virgins before marriage. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I child needs someone who wants them. I think people take parenthood to lightly

[@blackdogleg]

Mothers? Who the hell is out slaving everyday to provide for ungrateful people? Not the mother.

[@dayanajagpat9976]

@blackdogleg ??in many situations both parents work since it's hard for most to live on one salary. And on top of working many husbands expect the wife to clean and take care of the children, then go and take care of the husband. Seeing the amount many husbands dont do, make alot of women not want to get married. Plus not everyone wants the same thing. Some oddballs love working corporate jobs. I don't get it but go girl ig

[@blackdogleg]

@@dayanajagpat9976 in many situations the wife does nothing.

[@honeymoonavenue97]

No one is claiming ancestors are wrong for having children. There is a thing called freedom of how we want to live our lives.

[@rickholland6695]

My wife, Penny, and I were EMT/Paramedic partners working on the ambulance together for many years. We were a great team on and off duty, building a successful life together. She was 14 years older than me, a rather wise woman. As much as she wanted for us to be together for the rest of our lives. She could no longer have children due to uterine cancer. She was willing to let me go if I wanted children. She even said "I would be willing to be a grandma to your kids, if that is what you want and I will love your wife, as I love you". I decided I wanted to be with Penny, I was her second husband. I knew her for 43 great years. I don't regret not having children. Unfortunately, she passed away suddenly in 2020. I can tell you they don't women like Penny anymore. I love and miss you, my wonderful wife. But life goes on.

[@jokerblum6255]

So sorry for your loss. Your story with Penny is inspiring though. She seems to have been a great and very unique person. ❤

[@allyson0livia]

What a beautiful soul…that goes for both you and Penny. I hope your heart is at peace knowing she is always with you. 😢❤

[@chereejohnson2400]

❤❤❤❤

[@Lilymoo88]

I'm soo sorry you lost your soulmate. I wish you all the happiness in life. You deserve it ❤️‍🩹

[@shimmeringchimps3842]

What a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing.

[@sheilaoneil9334]

I couldn't disagree more.

[@niceguy1774]

Oh? And what is it that you disagree with exactly? Are you an otherwise capable Westerner who "doesn't want" to become a successful parent? If so, why not?

[@juliancain3872]

​@@niceguy1774 Probably the same reason people don't want to do anything.

[@niceguy1774]

@@juliancain3872 as meaningful and mature as that "reason" would be, we'll anxiously await their reply.

[@wmel-ut6oo]

Same here! In this case, I also have to say no. It doesn’t mean you’re selfish and immature just because you have no interest in procreating. The fact that some parents possess both traits shouldn’t be ignored, plus some people who don’t have kids also want them for a reason they shouldn’t! My friend’s wife for example wanted a child for two wrong reasons: to get her out of her family’s house & keep ties to him if they divorce! She’s a very jealous, selfish control-freak; Mr. Peterson should take scenarios like this in consideration.

[@niceguy1774]

@wmel-ut6oo so the people you are referring to who don't want to become successful parents...what reasons do they have?

[@mafra1396]

Don't trust someone that puts all in terms of right or wrong.

[@SuperMrBlaze]

Excellent comment!

[@niceguy1774]

Distrust whomever you want, it won't change right from wrong.

[@sharkrancher282]

​@@niceguy1774; I figure that's why science is so important. Science isn't based on trust, it's founded on professional consensus; and lot's and lot's of people all working together to determine what holds up under rigorous scrutiny.

[@niceguy1774]

@sharkrancher282 indeed, and people like mafra seem eager to dismiss the social Sciences all together. We'd ask mafra where the fault would be in asking "Is this wrong?" before making a decision, but what would be the point? Lol Better that mafia disappeared like so many others.

[@sharkrancher282]

@@niceguy1774; Seems like a lot to infer about someone, based on a single comment. Doesn't mafra1396 have just as much right to comment as you or I?

[@BrandenH420]

I don't owe my ancestors shit.

[@niceguy1774]

Indeed. So what reasons do you have for not wanting to become a successful Father?

[@visstorm]

there is nothing good about my parents from both lineages. Both are needy, spineless, neurotic and sociopathic. They become monsters when they are let known that they are not in control and unfortunately, i personally feel the same way not realizing where it's from.

[@niceguy1774]

@@visstorm You feel that you are incapable of overcoming these obstacles, or are you currently working to improve yourself and bring order to your life?

[@visstorm]

@@niceguy1774 It unfortunately involves people to build what you've suggested but right now i am giving more opportunity for it to happen. Though suppose i can nut in someone to plant that "seed" and just not look back. It would suck considering this world is a disgusting evil and how he should focus on the fruits of it considering how its usual paradigm had not changed for the past thousands (or millions) of years of our human evolution and civilization is a barely a functioning clause.

[@TheWilDOn31]

You actually do. You wouldn't be alive if it weren't for them.

[@CommanderMMD]

This man is proof that having higher education doesn't automatically mean you're smart.

[@niceguy1774]

Oh? What was said that leads you to say that?

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

You’d get an F if you wrote an essay on that if your teacher wasn’t already biased against him.

[@John.Christopher]

??? Explain what he said wrong?

[@Aristocratic13]

@@John.ChristopherEverything he just said

[@John.Christopher]

@@Aristocratic13 I just find that a bit rich and incoherent

[@forlorndream1400]

We've been married almost 22yrs and neither of us ever wanted children. We're not immature, we just didn't want kids.

[@niceguy1774]

So you are of the deluded camp he mentioned then. That you used the word "just" lets us know how deep your reasoning is.

[@forlorndream1400]

@@niceguy1774 so you are in the bitter camp that secretly regrets having kids. That's why you're antagonistic towards anyone who chose not to destroy their health, finances and home.

[@niceguy1774]

@@forlorndream1400 pretending that those areas *are* legitimately in a state precarious enough to be "destroyed" by raising a child, why not work to get your lives in better order so that those things *aren't* so feeble? Your home...geez. Chew on the baseboards will it?

[@forlorndream1400]

@@niceguy1774 seems like I touched a nerve. I was fishing before so thanks for confirming my previous post.

[@JS-wo6mb]

@@forlorndream1400 Isn't it great when someone names themselves "Nice Guy" and comes here to mansplain how women feel and think 🤣

[@abhishekghosh4384]

Judging other people without knowing their life situations or mental condition is immature.

[@niceguy1774]

Well, let's hear a list of these valid excuses then.

[@Scott-got-caught]

That's not the proper use of the word immature

[@niceguy1774]

@@Scott-got-caught ghosh is gone. Typical. Next.

[@munnythejanitor]

​@@Scott-got-caught what do you mean by "proper" or "use" or "word?" Its like we know what these words mean, its like no we dont. Words are powerful, metaphysical. I mean look at Caine and Abel.

[@Nirobiscloset10]

Exactly, this guy is evil.

[@lindsaywilliams3774]

Some Don’t want to be parents because they don’t want another being to experience the trauma they have. And they don’t want to be responsible for causing it

[@sxwrtr918]

Yes. And some simply don't like kids and have zero interest in or need for them in their lives.

[@sxwrtr918]

Yes. And some simply do not like kids and have zero interest in or need to have them in their lives.

[@hipoint40cal39]

I'm sure my ancestors were morons

[@niceguy1774]

I have a suspicion that indeed yours were.

[@niceguy1774]

@animemangalover567 I've definitely worked hard to make time management skills a strength. You keep saying that I'm arguing. About what? There are people who don't want kids. You don't think that they should have kids. Neither do I. Not everyone should have kids. We agree. Where is the "argument"?

[@JoeySavage]

Say it again he taking crazy he talk about trust ain't no trust out here or love it's just games and blames show me 200 successful marriages with no cheating no Divorce I'll wait

[@niceguy1774]

@JeVoudrais12 I protested what exactly? Where did you see this? What on Earth are you talking about? Our inner-cities have plenty of people I would rather stop having children. There are plenty of places in India and South America that I would rather stop pumping-out their litters. I've said this many times. How is that compatible with your silly planetary pregnancy party nonsense?

[@mommugod3037]

mine too

[@mineandmine4528]

If someone knows that he or she is not fit for parenthood and has no children is a mature individual . That person is not delusional.

[@helojoeywala6622]

They should change and become the person that is fit for parenthood and then have kids.

[@mineandmine4528]

@helojoeywala6622, Then I’ll send you the bill for raising the children since all people should have children regardless if they want them or not. 😊

[@STho205]

​@@mineandmine4528 then you wouldn't have matured, fixed yourself and be the person capable of raising children. Humans only have two biological reasons to exist in an evolution based organic world view. To sustain themselves till their body gives out and to continue the genetic profile and intelect into the future. All the other things humans create for themselves as purpose are artificial: to sell more insurance, to discover a grand unified theory, to go out clubbing with no purpose, sex for no procreation, playing video games, riding jetskis, buying stuff when bored.... Nothing wrong with that, but it is either time killing, extending childhood or at worst narcissistic if that's all you do.

[@mineandmine4528]

@ S Tho, Just because you have children doesn’t mean that they will be there for you at old age. Not all people are fit to be parents . Which is why child protection services exist. Not all parents see their as humans.

[@STho205]

@@mineandmine4528 sounds like you're obsessed with other people (even anonymous people) paying your way or caring for you completely. That is an impulse...but typically that of helpless children. A holdover of immaturity.

[@Gay_platipus]

Did this man just say that we should have kids for the sake of having kids?

[@niceguy1774]

No. Otherwise capable Westerners who don't want children, too often choose not to have them for immature/deluded reasons. What's yours?

[@meimei12350]

Yup he did. Some people are just not meant to be a parent and they know that. Then there exists inmmature amd deluded people like him who thinks having children for the sake of having wothout any prior desire, resources and a sense of responsibility is doing a world favour or smth

[@niceguy1774]

@@meimei12350 "not meant to be a parent" in what way? Just a perceived mere lack of desire?

[@meimei12350]

@@niceguy1774 Absolute lack of desire and inability to feel any sort of attraction, happiness or wanting at the idea of becoming a parent.

[@almas3427]

As if the world is set up for a child to have a decent existence. If something happens to the parents, the child will be sent to Foster Care or even become victim of trafficking. It’s not a good idea to have kids unless you are rich and have several relatives that you know would care for your child if you couldn’t for whatever reason.

[@raynuh138]

Well I’m definitely not having kids. I removed my uterus so if my ancestors had kids or not, doesn’t mean I’m having them

[@niceguy1774]

So when he said "Do you want a Mother for your children?" you took this to be a message aimed at women?

[@Zienex38]

​@@niceguy1774Sakanigadik

[@saffylllama5609]

​@@niceguy1774No, he's obviously talking to men who btw are codependent on women and all that we provide.

[@niceguy1774]

@saffylllama5609 It's not so "obvious" to some people here apparently.

[@SuperMrBlaze]

Jordan Peterson is the doctor who does not understand his own delusions.

[@niceguy1774]

Oh? Keeping in mind that he said deluded, not delusional, what "delusions" are you referring to exactly?

[@SuperMrBlaze]

Why is it a problem for you that 99% percent of the commentators of this stupid JP video don't agree with what JP said?'@@niceguy1774

[@niceguy1774]

@jimpyjumbo6303 you are free to make no distinction between deluded and delusional if you so choose. I'm not sure that SuperMrBlaze ignores a distinction, but I anxiously await his response.

[@Reticence9zen924]

Also he's a clinical psychologist with the Dr title - not a doctor as in psychiatrist.

[@niceguy1774]

@Reticence9zen924 so he's practiced as a Clinical Psychologist, is a Dr., a best-selling author several times over, with a familiarity in the relevant literature, with knowledge of Biology in particular. He doesn't prescribe drugs. Interesting.

[@RandomPerson-zy5pr]

I never expected Peterson to state that something is good because most people do so.

[@cheesushchrist595]

It’s really disappointing when these celebs everyone always thinks are right turn out to just be saying things they like and projecting weird feelings

[@niceguy1774]

You two can't actually be oblivious to the fact that he's spoken volumes on the subject, countless times, on multiple readily available platforms?

[@cheesushchrist595]

@@niceguy1774 im not going out of my way to have a guy like him tell me how to live. i see a garbage take, i cringe and laugh, and go on my way

[@niceguy1774]

@@cheesushchrist595 so then you *are* aware that he's gone into great depth on the subject, citing all manner of relevant studies and literature not mentioned in this 40 second youtube clip. What reason do you have for not wanting to become a successful parent?

[@cheesushchrist595]

@@niceguy1774 freedom, money, flexibility.

[@SHYKOOPA]

Oh no, Jordan Peterson said I'm immature. I better go have a kid

[@niceguy1774]

He doesn't want that. Identifying your immaturity is easy. You have to take responsibility and put in the work to fix that weakness until you become someone capable of being a successful parent.

[@cadecannon159]

@@niceguy1774 don’t think that helped your “argument.”

[@Idomeneuss]

Better have a dog! It's cheaper

[@niceguy1774]

@@cadecannon159 oh? What is it that I said there that you disagree with in particular?

[@cadecannon159]

@@niceguy1774 you keep making these statements like you’re not attaching arbitrary values and implying that people who don’t have children are immature, weak and lazy because they choose not to procreate. That’s like saying you’re weak or immature because you didn’t become a physicist. That’s about potential, not procreation.

[@BoreasCastel]

I'm glad people in the comments get it.

[@poetry_on_standby6440]

The issue here is many of our ancestors shouldn't have reproduced

[@dylan-dylan-dylan]

🙇🏼‍♂️

[@brettrichards6821]

Exactly. Not everyone is worthy of being a parent. Others can't have kids, unless they adopt.

[@hooverity]

​@@brettrichards6821 if you talk to anyone on this planet you'll find that 99% are super dumb and definitely shouldnt be reproducing or taking care of another living thing

[@rosethorn0232]

I agree, your ancestors shouldn't have reproduced.

[@hooverity]

@@rosethorn0232 yours either tardo

[@mfonenangamodeste3002]

A lot of people had children when they shouldn't have. All these kids on the streets didn't fall from the sky. If you're self conscious enough to know you'll be an incompetent parent that's the biggest sign of maturity.

[@niceguy1774]

False. There is nothing mature about simply acknowledging your weaknesses. Mature people actually take on responsibility and work to improve their flaws. Stop patting these people on the back. No one wants bad parents. The idea is that you get your life in better order and become someone capable of being a successful parent.

[@mfonenangamodeste3002]

@@niceguy1774 that's a beautiful utopia, I would love to live in your world. Now snap back into the reality, shall we?

[@niceguy1774]

@@mfonenangamodeste3002 immature people who accept their immaturity do not deserve commendation from anyone. Demand more from yourself and those around you.

[@mfonenangamodeste3002]

@@niceguy1774 Mr nice guy I hear you. I'm just saying, that admission is the first step in what you call being better. A lot of people are not even conscious of the fact that they are not mature enough to groom other human beings. They live in denial. Also just because I recognize my problem doesn't mean I can fix it, but it's still better than being in the dark.

[@niceguy1774]

@@mfonenangamodeste3002 "the biggest sign of maturity" No. It's barely a start. It's a bare minimum, undeserving of commendation. No more pats on the back for "at least".

[@StellaM22]

Traumatised people often don’t want children

[@ngeee10]

🙋‍♀️

[@samakat30]

Better than traumatised people who have kids.

[@WhyWasntIBornInTheMiddleAges]

I dont care what they want, it is their duty.

[@rosemaryallen2128]

INTOLERANT FASCIST!

[@stevepest4143]

​@@WhyWasntIBornInTheMiddleAges Duty? How do you figure?

[@DeathMetalThrasher]

I 110% completely disagree. I'm 44 years old with a loving wife and we have been living our best life for over 10 years now exploring the world and experiencing new things every year.

[@niceguy1774]

Do you think that there exist successful Fathers who also travel and experience new things?

[@LucareonVee]

Sounds fantastic. 😎🍻

[@srilakshmi1163]

It's a choice. It can't be forced.

[@niceguy1774]

Absolutely no one has argued otherwise.

[@bonnsterthemonster]

Yes it can it's rape

[@jessehanks2816]

@@niceguy1774 dude you are literally in all these comment section insulting or looking down on people who chose not to have kids. Acting like it immature to not want kids. Why is "I don't want to be a parent" such a negative thing?

[@niceguy1774]

@jessehanks2816 well that would depend upon their reasoning (or lack thereof). So how was srilakshmi insulted by what I said? Was I wrong here?

[@jessehanks2816]

@@niceguy1774 you're a hundred percent wrong. Is it the norm that people want to get married have kids and make babies? yeah. But there is nothing immature about not wanting kids just because you don't want them or because you don't want the stress, regardless of whatever their reason is. All of that is legit and decent and very mature reasons to not have a kid. Why do you people want everyone making babies? Even when they don't want it. A full mature grown adult, can 100% not want to have a kid, and still be a mature adult.

[@Haveablessedday274]

Let me add my opinion on this. If people don’t want kids they have a reason for it. HAVING kids is a lifelong commitment. Also considering the risks of having kids is that you can go through childbirth and pregnancy complications such as Postpartum bleeding, Preeclampsia, and etc. People choose also not to have kids because of their financial situation, having bad genetics, mental health issues. People choosing NOT to have kids is a because of a mature reason. You CAN’T CALL people immature and deluded for not having kids. You do not know what their going through.

[@brent69]

Never raise a child unless you have a million dollars that's minimum of what it will cost...

[@niceguy1774]

Okay, let's consider those "risks" you associate with pregnancy and childbirth. What percentage of pregnant Westerners do you think give birth to children who grow in decent health? What percentage of Western women do you think survive childbirth just fine?

[@Filthy_Larry]

@@niceguy1774 your mom.

[@carmenricard3332]

​​​@@niceguy1774 By the "Westerner" comment you made I assume you mean the US yes? The results are surprisingly high health complications in the US for both. Edit: for clarity.

[@niceguy1774]

@@carmenricard3332 the U.S. among other places. What percentage of healthy Westerner women do you think survive childbirth and go on to live as expected? Is life expectancy in The Western World not among the highest on Earth?

[@carmensavu5122]

It's the exact opposite. People who want kids go through with it without thinking it through and are under the illusion it will fulfill them, or worse, fix their broken relationships. They don't think through what they are getting themselves, and the kids, into. Then they regret it, but the kids are also affected through no fault of their own. The mature thing is to be realistic and consider whether you are cut out for parenthood, and what parenthood would mean for your life. And if you find you don't have the inclination, don't have the kids.

[@niceguy1774]

No one is arguing that immature, deluded people should have kids.

[@txlyons2937]

​@@niceguy1774There is no ethical, altruistic argument for _anyone_ to have kids.

[@The-Allfather-Odin]

It is natural for a male to have the urge to pruduce children.

[@niceguy1774]

@txlyons2937 so what are your thoughts on our urban communities? Or the people of certain places in India, China and South America where birthrates are quite high?

[@txlyons2937]

@@niceguy1774 All breeding is unnecessary and unfortunate. It doesn't matter who is doing the breeding, or where they live.

[@Decimator69420]

It’s fine not to want children. It’s pathetic to impose those values on others

[@niceguy1774]

So what reasons do you have for not wanting to become a successful parent?

[@Decimator69420]

@@niceguy1774 I never said I don’t want children. I wanna be the best father my kids could ever have

[@niceguy1774]

@@Decimator69420 I'm happy to hear that this message is not aimed at you.

[@letsfaceit9187]

My mother is 63, she had 4 kids ( I’m the last born ) and now has 6 grandkids from my siblings ,I’m the only child free one and in an ironic turn of events I’m the one that’s actually taking care of her. Kids are not some sort of old age loneliness insurance.

[@niceguy1774]

Has Peterson made that argument? And what is "ironic" about your situation?

[@letsfaceit9187]

@@niceguy1774 admit it , you are Jordan Petersons ghost account ,Why are you all up in everyone’s comments 🤣🤣 It’s immature to expect everyone to Agee with everything you say Jordan, I’m just sharing my perspective, that’s what the comment section is for🤣🤣

[@niceguy1774]

@letsfaceit9187 I haven't asked you to agree with anything. I encouraged you to share your prospective. You failed to share your perspective on either topic offered. I appreciate your time.

[@letsfaceit9187]

@@niceguy1774 I succeeded in my sharing my perspective 🤣🤣 Get off my d*ck Jordan . 🤣

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 You fail to answer any questions anyone asks you. 😘

[@vappole]

Not accepting differences in others is a sign of immaturity and delusion.

[@urhunn7778]

Luckily the genes of the Feminist women who don't want to have children due to the anti-child, anti-motherhood propaganda of the Feminist media, will die out in this generation. So the Females of the next generation will be the descendants of those women who have common sense, and they will inherit it from their mothers. And the world will be a much better place within one generation's time without the Feminist idiots.

[@niceguy1774]

Those others are capable of changing for the better. You can't claim that a real desire to see that change take place (rather than just throwing your hands up in acceptance) is immaturity nor delusion, can you?

[@GooniesGirl]

Thank you

[@JoseDiaz-so6hf]

Thank you!

[@sowingtruth715]

So why don’t you accept the difference in Jordan instead of calling it delusion, doesn’t seem inclusive to me

[@whereissonia]

He’s proof that u can have a phd and be deluded at the same time.

[@niceguy1774]

Oh? What is it that he said here that you take issue with in particular?

[@deckhead33]

@@niceguy1774you’re in all the comments. Get a job!

[@Trackrace29582]

@@niceguy1774a drug addict is calling us immature for not wanting kids

[@niceguy1774]

@@Trackrace29582 I suppose Whereissonia dissapeared? So you are claiming that you don't want kids, but are *not* immature?

[@fredahwiwu5219]

😂😂😂 deep delulu

[@HandOfDoom0225]

Jordan Peterson calling me “diluted and immature” for not wanting to have children. My father has been an alcoholic for most his life. I’ve completely cut him out of my life now. My mother divorced him when I was a preteen because she didn’t see him as a role model for me and my siblings. But yea, he was right and I’m the one who’s diluted and immature.

[@niceguy1774]

It's "deluded". So your Father was a failure, and that makes you not want to become a successful Father?

[@KT-83]

My wife and I suffer from mental illness. She has borderline and I suffer from depression/anxiety since my teen year's. It whould be totally irresponsible to the child to have parents like us, who don't have a stable life...

[@jokerblum6255]

Maybe do therapy and work on yourself. I have a friend with borderline and she is a great mom. With a lot of work on herself and a supportive husband it works. She does a lot of emotion management still.

[@janna4994]

My parents were like you and your wife and my sister and I did suffer the consequences, so thank you for being a responsible and mature adult!!

[@Esoteraeon]

It takes self awareness and maturity to admit this. I feel the same towards myself especially suffering from generational family trauma. Would not want this passed onto my kids nor do I even see it in my timeline to conceive them. Times are different. It's not like back then when lifespans were short and you needed to marry and reproduce as soon as possible.

[@niceguy1774]

@@Esoteraeon wrong. Simply recognizing your weakness is not mature. Working toward fixing them is. Stop patting defeatists on the back just for being self-aware defeatists.

[@cadecannon159]

Why do people always have to have “qualifiers?” Why can’t you just say…..I don’t want children?

[@jjw9641]

Not always. You might have health problems you don't want to pass on. You might feel that your work contributes so much that children would get in the way (if you're a surgeon saving lives, for example). Your partner might be abusive. There are many good reasons not to have children, it's not for everyone.

[@Darkstalker212]

I'm going to be the last of the bloodline...let it BURN 🔥

[@BumbleBee21917]

​@@LucareonVeeLOL agreed 💯

[@ti0iiclips]

💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💯💯

[@niceguy1774]

He's ending a "bloodline"! Our Savior! Lol

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 I don’t see them declaring that they’re anyone’s savior, honey. 😋

[@doesnotFempute]

please do. There are enough mountain dew mouth breathers clogging up my kids' classes as it is. Don't need more.

[@양반고양이-c7q]

I definitely think I'm absolutely right.

[@niceguy1774]

So what reasons do you have for not wanting to become a successful Father?

[@HaleySmith]

I had very immature and passive aggressive non communing parents who put me in positions where I had to often be the adult making decisions. It's really, really put me off having kids because I suppose I feel as though I didn't have a true childhood

[@urhunn7778]

Don't be an idiot. Your task is to learn from your parents' mistakes, and do better with your own children.

[@margaretleboeuf6765]

Well, it sounds like you didn't have much of a childhood, if any. Sounds like you realized you needed to be the parent when you were at a young age. And you stepped up! ❤️ That takes courage and strength! Ì know a few people who had similar experiences, and became mother to themselves and their siblings. As a result, they are some of the kindest people who have empathy and compassion for others. I pray for loving ❤️ people in your life

[@aloowalia2849]

Same

[@HaleySmith]

@margaretleboeuf6765 that's so lovely Margaret. Thank you so much for such kind and encouraging words 💖

[@niceguy1774]

@@HaleySmith So your plan is to live your lost childhood as an adult by avoiding voluntary responsibility and doing whatever you want on a whim? What could go wrong...

[@SquidDesign]

Humans can consciously choose to behave differently than their ancestors… for better or worse that’s been a hallmark of being human

[@niceguy1774]

No one has argued otherwise.

[@margaretvaughan1381]

Not every woman is here to have children for all kinds of reasons.

[@LucareonVee]

Not every man either. 🍻

[@Nina-jc3be]

Yeah, my ovaries don't work so I'm probably just immature.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@Nina-jc3beException

[@dliap98]

​@@Nina-jc3beliterally same like there are a million different reasons why people either don't want to or can't have kids. it's honestly kind of cruel for him to call people selfish and immature for not having kids when he has absolutely no idea what their circumstances are (any if which are valid reasons to not have kids)

[@clintsilveira1660]

My ancestors also thought the earth was flat😂

[@niceguy1774]

Until when?

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 Until they learned it wasn’t. Just like my ancestors had children… until I came along. 😘

[@niceguy1774]

@LucareonVee Until they learned it wasn't, eh? And what year would you say that was?

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 Depends on where they were. The Ancient Greeks knew around 500 BCE. It was more common knowledge between the 10th and 13th centuries.

[@SylenkoIrene]

I have a neighbour who wanted to baby-trap a married guy and kept drinking throughout her entire pregnancy. Now her son is growing up without a father and has lots of health problems. Yep, very mature of her.

[@ivanaandric5703]

So? How is that even conected to this topic? This is generalization about meaning of life, not a contest who knows or can be the worste parent on earth because they did't deal with their mental healt issues.

[@vinniehuish3987]

@@ivanaandric5703 Because she’s an evil bitch and trying to perpetuate that ONE situation to a large scale event in order to give other women bad advice because she hates herself lol

[@mollago]

​@@ivanaandric5703 Your comment proves that reproduction is sometimes a poor choice

[@ivanaandric5703]

@@mollago Only a sad person would watch something so far out of their league that they can't posibile even begin to understand it. You must have a looot of free time and probably some regret that your biological mother had you. The fact that your sad existence would very much benefit from reading Dr. Petersons books is the sadest part of it all cause he helped millions of ppl like you. He's firstly famous for beeing extremly intelligent and brave and for wrighting brilliant books that helped million incels like you. Do your self a favor and try cause from were you are now you can only go up

[@morehamsandwich]

Well I’m sure her son is still glad to be alive

[@porkyrabbit]

Why is being happy without having kids such a threat to people

[@niceguy1774]

A society of immature or deluded men is not a good thing.

[@LucareonVee]

@@niceguy1774 Except that’s not necessarily what childfree people are. 😋😘

[@Whocares158]

Because they hate us being happy. 🤣

[@stroescurazvan]

Happiness comes in many forms

[@EricLewandowski-vn7ky]

Jealousy

[@embryondemuse]

Is he ok? 😂

[@LucareonVee]

Nope. 😉

[@lunainezdelamancha3368]

Nope....he looks like he just cried for 2 days straight. I guess that's a happy father's face. But what do I know, I'm just an immature childless woman! 😂

[@americanalghoza]

I’m just glad he wasn’t my parent

[@niceguy1774]

@@lunainezdelamancha3368 Your honesty is refreshing. This comment section is full of immature/deluded people laughably reluctant to confess as you just have. Your openness is appreciated.

[@fulol]

@@americanalghoza lmao agreed, peterson is in favor of breeding because he wants to pass on the same misery he once went through. he knows his own existence wasnt chosen nor were all of his struggles and miseries.

[@fillsbury8304]

All I know for certain is, niceguy1774 isn't a parent, no parent would have the time to write as many replies as he does.

[@CactusCowboyDan]

He probably got no real friends either.

[@buk24spencer]

Oh c'mon I was starting to miss him...

[@sillybillymcdilly]

I see him replying to every comment fr

[@eme117]

He might be a bot

[@Unknown-kc8xz]

​@@CactusCowboyDanreal

[@naheem]

Plenty of teachers will tell you how immature and deluded some parents are

[@niceguy1774]

Especially teachers at inner-city schools. But no one is arguing that immature, deluded people should become parents.

[@isabelhonra8799]

some teachers too are deluded...🤭🤭🤭

[@carmensavu5122]

My mom is a teacher. She tells me dealing with the crazy parents is 10000000 times more difficult than dealing with troublesome kids.