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[@Shann1989]

I swear... sometimes I just don't look at my plants for days because I'm too scared of what I'm going to find.. and making it worse. why didn't I just had an hobby like baking pies or something.

[@averilt]

Alocasias are basically spider mite brothels! Also, maybe you should shower the leaves and THEN spray with your mix. Doing it in the reverse just washes off the treatment before it has a chance to work?

[@jaiideeey]

“I’m not sure what this plant’s problem is” is the story of my life

[@tiffanyi5645]

Another technique that works very well for me is “sterilizing your potting medium”...many times fungus gnats and other pests can come from the soil and potting mediums we bring into our homes...try microwaving it for 60 seconds to kill anything crawly before you pot your plants...of course make sure the soil is cooled first! This is CLUTCH to avoiding pests especially gnats!

[@GandJ2420]

Your anxiety kickstarted mine and i looked at my plants and found several with spidermites, thrips, and fungus gnats, and am back an hour later after converting my infested calathea to leca. So.. thank you I guess lol

[@wildfern]

“Thank you I guess” hahaha I feel this. Ugh better to catch them sooner rather than later though! Good luck!

[@GandJ2420]

@@wildfern haha Thank you! Hope yours recover nicely!

[@jaclynns.jungle]

That is awful. Been there. Best of luck to you!

[@GandJ2420]

@@jaclynns.jungle thanks! A day later they’re looking okay

[@tiffanyi5645]

I learned the “Makeup Brush” method from Rachel’s Heart Shaped Leaves to remove pests especially Spider Mites and I’m am telling you it is a GAME CHANGER!! I urge you to check her video on “Killing Spider Mites Dead”, it’s absolute gospel!

[@mjakobsen5183]

God having pests is so stressful; my thoughts are with you!

[@wildfern]

It really is the worst part of plant keeping lol! Thank you!

[@LifewithAshleyAnita]

I just ordered 1500 ladybugs from Amazon for $10. I’m going to release them in my plant room. They eat aphids, thrips, spider mites, mealy bugs, and more. If you don’t like being able to see the ladybugs, green lacewings are a fantastic option as well.

[@nlerma2]

Giiiiiiirl don’t touch the plant with pests and then proceed to touch every other plant you have, you’re just helping them spread

[@mwoods4608]

I see all the tubers do this n then cry about spreading pest. One even had super long fake finger nails.... like girl

[@KindaRylan]

i also had an explosion of thrips in my cabinet shortly after putting it together. i used pyrethrin once and it completely eradicated them. I'd let your bug spray sit for 30 min, that way it can affect the pest.

[@kaylajaniee]

You are the best plant-tuber I’ve found! I’m a night shift nurse here in the states and I love your vids and routine on keeping your plants alive. Just got the Fabrikor cabinet for my birthday, so your situation is my worse nightmare. Pre-treating my plants as I type😯 I love your honesty and tips. Keep it up🪴🌸💗

[@wildfern]

Thank you so much! It makes me so happy to hear you enjoy my videos. Night shift is sooo tough, good for you! How exciting about the cabinet 🥰

[@AGirlCalledPumpkin]

"I could throw them at the wall.." 🤣🤣 That made me crack up

[@wildfern]

They would live to tell the tale!

[@alexandriamoore8422]

Pest are so stressful, I’m glad you share this side of being a Plant Mom. It lowers my anxiety because you kind of feel like you’re a failure as a plant parent when you find pest, when in all honesty it’s just happens sometimes!

[@sassysucculent6291]

Ugh I’m so sorry girl ! I’ve of course been dealing with mites like crazy as well! Winter sucks so bad 😒😩 Sending you all the planty love and well wishes beautiful girl🙏💜

[@nadiawondrash2174]

RIP WILDFERN😂 Love you so much❤️ Even though this has been rough for you, I find it very helpful. I’ve never experience spider mites myself but it’s very helpful to know how to get rid of them! YOU WILL GET THROUGH THIS✊

[@wildfern]

Hahah thank you so much!! I will!

[@beverlybernardino975]

the montage at the beginning was so peaceful 😌

[@wildfern]

Thank youuuu 🥰 ☕️

[@saragarten1026]

A couple strong magnets for your light! Hot glue one to each side of the light and then have the others on top of the glass shelf to magnet to!

[@jessfavro94]

You are not alone. I found both this week and spent hours blasting everything on my plant shelf with captain jacks on the ones that were visibly infested, and neem on the others where I didn't see any specifically. FML. Good luck dude!! 💙💙

[@josalee6479]

I love finding videos of people doing “chores” together with the viewer. Makes it easy to do stuff / fun to live

[@wildfern]

We love when it's fun to live 🥰 I agree!

[@sydneyrocks1999]

Fern! Get a big clear plastic container with a lid to store the anthuriums. That way those are quarantined to the container/the humidity can be kept up for them. I hope you’re able to get rid of the pests 💕

[@wildfern]

Yes this is what I need to do! Thank you! I’m gonna have bins on bins pretty quick here 😆

[@sydneyrocks1999]

@@wildfern lol gosh I wish the best for you and your plants. Good luck!

[@tonyarivers8613]

Thanks for keeping it real👍 Good luck with the pests!

[@curlyheron]

I can’t wait to get one of these! It’ll be my reward when we finish our current van built. I just posted a video of some planty items…to try and deter from further buying plants I’m buying pots and holders instead. Fully will be back buying plants before I know it haha!

[@jessicalee8380]

I found aphids on three of my Hoyas in my cabinet yesterday. Going to tackle it today. Good luck! Also for the piece that keeps falling off I got the weatherstripping foam but only took one side of the sticky off and it works perfect! I lined the doors with it and then used the clear stuff to run down the center like you have. My humidity stays at 90%.

[@jr_0033]

Pests are such a pain! I’m dealing with them too so best of luck to you 🌱🌱 you rock

[@filipwider9747]

Hi Fern! In Poland we say "Przędziorek" it is one of few disasters in our houses in winter. I used eco-miksture to fight but finnaly, after 3 months I give up and use heavy chemical cure. For now it is okey. Fingers crosse for you fight 🥰

[@bonecasbotanicals5890]

Ugh damn good luck! I feel you girl also have thrips and it’s on going 😭 when I think it’s over BUT ITS NOT.

[@nic2hardo771]

this video made me feel less alone & less like a failed plant parent, thank you

[@catbarnard2833]

That’s such a nightmare 😩 I was thinking if you have a proper infestation in the cabinet you could try beneficial insects. Summer Rayne has some videos on them, and they apparently work well for her because she continually has to deal with various pests in her apartment

[@Rhumnchoke]

Giiiirl 🥺 Im a bit late, but I’m sending you lots of good vibes to get rid of these pests ! Now brb I’ll go check my plants too :’)

[@michellez4983]

How come whenever I start to watch your videos I want to be more productive?😌✨🤧🥰 thanks for that Fern!

[@wildfern]

Ahhhh excellent! 😇

[@tessarothenburg3199]

Favourite planty KZbinr hands down your videos are what I look forward to 🪴🧡

[@nadiyaajaffer2815]

Pests have given me ptsd, this video reminded me of my constant ongoing battle with thrips 😭

[@juliab.8779]

I have dealt with thrips and spidermites, too, at the beginning of the colder season. I hope you can get rid of them soon, pests are just soooo annoying :( But they seem to just be a part of a larger plant collection. Btw your hairstyle and the glasses look so cute in this video!

[@PlanteriorDecorator]

BAH!! We should've left spidermites in 2020. It is harder to get them in the high humidity but def not impossible - what a bummer 😩 but you got this! 💪

[@katherinegardner9143]

I had thrips on my stingray too, I got rid of them but it ended up dying from root rot a few months later anyway... maybe from all the showers haha. Neem oil, dish soap, and a bit of alcohol in water worked great for me and they didn't spread to any of my other plants

[@karlyharris2941]

Pests cause so much stress ): I highly recommend buying a jewelers loop with a little light built in, it makes identifying pests easier cause you can actually see them in detail. Its actually pretty cool if they were trying to kill our plants 😂 Good luck!

[@RatQueen92]

I've been lucky with only having to deal with fungus gnats so far. I can't even imagine 😦

[@wildfern]

Ooof lucky indeed!!

[@Ali-enAdventures]

I feel for you. Pests are a nightmare! You got this tho, your an awesome plant mama 💚 Ooo did some cutie get you those pink roses ahaha 😉

[@blackstar8620]

If I find any pests, I always repot after washing leaves. old soil down to roots gets thrown out and pot scrubbed inside out. Otherwise you'll keep having them reappear in a few weeks or months

[@wildfern]

Oh this is smart.

[@philippeberube-mercier3267]

I had a thrips invasion in mine! Release a couple of beneficial insects and a lot of cleaning and every seems to be ok!

[@lornafarrell9680]

Girl I love you so much but I cringe everytime you touch something thats infested and then touch something thats not.

[@candacebecker1044]

SAME!!

[@modown12]

Same!

[@acaraj]

This was so helpful! I didn't realize pests would be that tiny. I took a close look at one of my philodendrons and found creepy crawlies. I took a pic and looked it up. Thrips. omg I bought this one recently and it was only sitting near one other plant so I'm hoping the problem isn't widespread. He'll be living outside for now until I figure out a treatment. I'm in So CA, so he might even prefer being out there.

[@jennifervallecillo2502]

I had spider mites in my cabinet too! I think after almost 2 months I’ve gotten rid of them all 🤞🏽 What I did was take them all out every 7 days, spray them with alcohol, dish soap, and water mix, spray down the whole cabinet with that same mixture every 7 days as well, clean it and they’re gone. It is a process though! But it’s doable! Good luck 😊 ALSO! I think something that helped me was realizing that pests will unfortunately always be around. We’re not bad plant parents if our plants get them. It’s just about controlling the situation but like I said, we can do it 👍🏽

[@wildfern]

You're so right. I try to remain calm and tell myself it's not the end of the world, but it feels so overwhelming. I'm so glad you were able to get rid of them, hopefully they'll be gone for me soon too :)

[@Greg-fk2up]

if you've never used captain jacks, try it for the spider mites/thrips! works like a charm

[@wildfern]

We don’t have it in Canada :(

[@bkrbkrl]

I know many people prefer to use less toxic means, but if you are careful and wear gloves and a mask, a No Pest Strip hung at the top of an enclosure overnight works well to wipe any and all pests out. Re-wrap the Pest Strip tightly in foil and sealing in a zip lock bag keeps them well for re-use. Do not run the fan during it's use and leave the doors open in the morning to air the cabinet out after removing the strip. I am not sure about plant sensitivity for some of the rare plants you own, but I have used this method for years and have never lost a plant. It would also reach/kill any bugs hiding in the nooks and crannies of the cabinet. I don't own a cabinet: I used to put the plants in a large tote with the strip in a mesh bag taped to the lid of the tote, again, only overnight. Learned it from an old plant enthusiast in the 70's. Be sure to repeat treatment based on the particular pest's life cycle. Really large plants or groups can be placed in a warm garage and tented with plastic to serve as the enclosure. You can use outdoor chairs to throw the plastic over to create the tent. What I find so amazing is it is winter where I am and I suddenly had aphids on my Ming aralia. I bought no new plants or supplies and did not repot it. No change in location in my home. I have been isolated at home. I swear bugs just materialize out of thin air! Lol!

[@chrystalsabin4091]

I feel so sorry for you, I know you have to be pretty stressed out. My prayers go out to you and your plants. Thanks for sharing. 🙏🙏

[@wildfern]

Awe thank you Chrystal!

[@rubyslug]

For the grow light on the glass, I wonder if velcro strips would work! I think there are some you can get for certain weights -- they're similar to command strips in application but might be a little stronger. I have not personally tried this haha but that was the first solution I could think of. Best of luck!!

[@aliciazakupowsky7968]

I’m wishing you the best of luck in this rough journey! I dealt with spender mites on my favorite plant, a mimosa pudica for four months and it nearly killed her

[@wildfern]

Awe thank you! They are such a headache!

[@aliciazakupowsky7968]

@@wildfern they really are! I guess they’re called pests for a reason 😅😅

[@pudgyplanter1130]

I HATE PESTS!! All of them!! So far this winter I have had Spider Mites and Scale, along with those pesky fungus gnats. I long for Spring when we can put plants outside and open windows for fresh air. Ahhh, the memory of it. I'm so sorry you had to deal with that but deal you did! Great job sis! xoxo

[@mar1melade]

Good luck with the battle against pest. If you still notice thrips in a couple of week, you might want to change the soil because part of the thrips life circle takes place in soil so you have to get rid of it to eliminate completely thrips.

[@movaab]

Girl you gotta do a video on how to treat spidermites since they love you so much! 😂 for real though every time I hear you mention pests I feel for you, feel like you’ve always got a pest problem which is crazy cause you take such amazing care of your babies 😢 hope it goes ok 💖

[@wildfern]

Thank you so much! And yes I was thinking I need to make a dedicated video about it haha

[@movaab]

@@wildfern yay! that would be so helpful especially cause I have trouble actually SEEING them? I’ll need those special glasses planterior decorator suggested! hope you’re having a nice day! X

[@lambsauce8662]

I feel for you girl, I just discovered thrips. On the first day of the year lol. We will overcome!!

[@dbic3498]

Ugh!!! Pest are so stressful, I hope you can get rid of them soon!

[@wildfern]

I hope so!! 🤞 thank you

[@saraheaster8414]

I found thrips right before Christmas too and had to treat all mine too so I know how you feel 😅 fingers crossed they stay away for both of us ✨

[@tracystropicalgreenhouse8055]

Awe fern im with you hunnie. I’m getting loads of pests at the moment. I’m buying some bugs that actually kill the pests. I’ve bought them off eBay . You put them in the pots. They actually don’t live that long. I’ve tried all sorts and can’t get rid. I’ve had to Chuck the moss poles away because they live in them too. 😭. Big plant hugs from the U.K. 🌱💚🤗

[@laurarossetti864]

oh and btw for the two anthuriums you could put them in transparent plastic bags so 1) you can keep them with a little bit higher humidity if you spray water in and 2) you can further isolate them.

[@sassysucculent6291]

My frydek ALWAYS has spider mites ! So I have decided I am going to be setting up a “special station” with a grow light and all, away from my other plants, just for my alocasia and other mite loving plants lol 😬🙄 **just seeing it is thrips as well ugh**

[@jasmine9538]

Went through the same thing and did a combo of dish soap, captain jacks and humidity . Literally took everything out dunked my plants in a bucket of soapy water. Rinsed, dried, sprayed with pesticide and kept the humidity at 100% for a week. I read the life cycle is only a week long and humidity prevents the eggs from hatching. Wiped down the shelves, the doors, everything. Everything is fine now but I can definitely see the damage they caused and I lost a little verrucosum

[@EleanorSadie]

I glued my lights to the glass with the double sided tape and put that 30 seconds extra strong glue on top. Its been a month and the lights are still on. My humidity is 70%+ during the day and 100% in the morning when i wake up.

[@karenbrackbill79]

I feel your pain! I have been doing spider mite treatments all winter. Sad to know that even the ikea greenhouse is not immune...

[@wildfern]

Lol right :( I was hoping there wouldn’t be pests in there! What a pain in the butt.

[@AnekBurza96]

I'm currently struggling with thrips and it really stressed me out when I spot them on my plants. I'm using neem oil solution as well, but I find it more effective to wipe leaves with a cloth or a sponge, otherwise the eggs were staying on the leaf surface. Oh, and the new growth is actually recommended to cut, because they like to hide inside unfurling leaves, but I didn't dare, I just keep wiping 😅

[@StineN1]

found thrips on my monstera albo a few weeks before christmas. Treated twice with neem oil, and I think I got rid of the problem. Havent seen one since. Im doing a neem treatment once a month as precaution.

[@katelynclark7631]

I just got a cabinet for Christmas, as well as my husband buying me an albo. I was overly excited and set everything up and stuck my most prized plant proudly into it. Well... it came with thrips and I made the rookie mistake of not quarantining because I was excited. I spent 5 hours yesterday going through and treating every plant and plant surface in my house yesterday. Even the plants in all my other rooms. Probably overkill but I panicked. Ugh 🤦🏻‍♀️ my heart goes out to you! I hope your babies are okay.

[@wildfern]

Uggghghh awful!!

[@feliciablue1126]

I’m really enjoying your vibe you seem to really care about your plants and could you tell me what kind of humidifier you are using and where can I get one

[@madelineburgetauthor]

You may need to try some beneficial bugs in the green house, and if you don’t already have a tiny fan in there to circulate the moist air... definitely get one. Good luck!

[@christinacarter3533]

i’m so sorry about your plant babies! i know the feeling.. 😭 i had spider mites really bad in oct. i would move the adonsonii just to be safe, if you really have thrips. they can really spread!

[@blondietehdino]

I’ve been growing my plant collection and I just started getting thrips it suuuucks :( I assumed it was dust or something but now I have dozens of plants infected. This video makes me feel so much better tho! if you can get thrips even while providing the best environment I shouldn’t kick myself as much as I have been. 💚

[@wildfern]

Awe yes it happens to everyone!! Good luck!

[@noemyg28]

Hi Fern! I would check on the roots of the monstera albo just as a precaution. Mine started browning on the leaves just like yours as well and it turned out to be root rot. Hopefully that's not the issue 🤞 but just in case.

[@ShaunaFox]

my morning starts just like yours :)

[@cristybrown7685]

We got Spider mites for the first time recently. Freaked me out, I thought we were finished. Saved everything except my 4 Rosemary bushes. Just grabbed my Jade again for another wash.

[@jennifersilva7434]

When my neem oil mix sets and gets cold, I put my spray bottle in some warm water for a few min to melt it. I feel like it doesn't mix well if I just shake it when it's cold... I'm so scared to get any pests! I'm always cleaning my plants with neem oil hoping to prevent any. I also have yellow sticky traps and mosquito bits so I won't get gnats. Oh! I had mealys one time on 2 of my Hoyas. I cleaned them off with a q-tip then sprayed down the plants with neem oil and they were gone!

[@urbanglamping5047]

It’s like mine, I’m still trying to get rid of gnats in my greenhouse, fortunately no spider mites so far

[@fabiolafernandez3740]

Try gluing a magnet on the light and then using another magnet on top of the glass to secure in place - Lulus leaves recently did that!!!!

[@andreasalbrecht4833]

The clarinervium you need to be carefull plating it in orchid bark. The bark can sometimes hold up soooo much water and the roots stay wet for a long period of time. I recommend planting the clari in a "pond basket". The little holes in the side help ventilate the roots! Also when you use liquid fetilizer only use very small orchid like doses every month / 2 months! They really don't like fertilizer i've learned :) .

[@bellareay8149]

ahhhh thats so frustrating! good luck getting rid of them!! just put the entire cabinet into a bucket of neem oil lol

[@wildfern]

HAHA no kidding eh

[@katherineh816]

Just got my Milso cabinet in today! And discovered spider mites on my calatheas so I’m tackling that as I watch your video. 😩

[@katherineh816]

My local plant store recommended NuFarm minx insecticide. I’m using it for the first time now. But you just put a few drops of it in 16 oz water and spray it all over the plants. It doesn’t smell or anything and apparently you only really need to use it once. If you can get your hands on it, I would try it out! I’ve tried neem before and it never worked well for me.

[@wildfern]

Ahh good luck! Congrats on your cabinet though, that's so exciting!

[@debrahaynes5305]

I feel your pain.. I look at my plants daily.. and wipe weekly.. I've had one philodendron in quarantine for a few months.. mealy bugs... he will live his life in isolation

[@ajaniel3824]

My Philodendron Hope Selloum was infested by thrips and I spent like two weeks treating it with neem oil. I’m so happy it survived and is now thriving!

[@wildfern]

Oh amazing - we love a happy ending!! 👏

[@ajaniel3824]

@@wildfern Omg. thank you for responding to my comment!

[@AlexAniban]

i’m battling aphids on my string of dolphins and elephant bush that took me a month to rehab rn so i’m with you sis 😭 i spray them down every other day and use neem oil but these suckers are hard to get rid of :(

[@wildfern]

So hard to get rid of!! Good luck!

[@letyourselfrest8932]

ladybugs an option with the weather where you're at?

[@rainbomg]

I’m not sure on this but I’m pretty sure you are supposed to alternate? I think just repeating the same treatment that frequently might make it stop working entirely? Maybe that doesn’t count for need, but - 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@xkgditsiraogxpyjtd8079]

Hey fern 😊 I just wanted to say that you are so so pretty ❤️

[@Kohliflie]

omg i am sorry for the stress you have with the mites.. i HATE them too. I always have problems with them on my outdoor plants :( indoor also sometimes :I

[@wildfern]

They are suuuuuch a pain!

[@victoriadel75]

Heavy duty magnets!! Lulus leaves did it and it’s perfect!!!

[@gooliamarie]

Grrrl. I’m stressed watching this! 😂 I feel your pain. Hands down, Safer brand End All is the only thing you need for all the bugz. I don’t think I’ve had repeat infestations on the same plant. I tried the captain jacks and just watched the mites crawl through it and carry on with their lives. :) A mix of water, isopropyl and dr bronners also worked well for me. Last resort... one treatment with bonide systemic. Doesn’t kill mites but you won’t have to worry about thrips, gnats and mostly everything else for a while! Good luck!

[@OrdinaryPlantGirl]

Thrips are an ongoing battle for me. I finally broke down and got predatory mites. They seem to love my Deliciosa's they killed my smaller one. I saved my Thai bit their life cycle is killing me. I feel your pain. Good luck 🤞

[@wildfern]

I am considering predatory mites too. Thrips are so hard to get rid of!

[@juliajohnsson317]

i just had thrips on my thaumatophyllum philodendron and it's now a stump with one new leaf. my favorite big plant, from a lot of leaves to one :( hope you can save your plants, i did but the lush foliage was lost :(

[@amfy7616]

Hey! I have a little tip for your monstera: they don't actually like high humidity that much, so that might be why it is so light green cause it doesn't harden off. They'll get leggy and everything. Hope that'll help!

[@user-dq9rr9mv3f]

Ohhhhh thanks for this, I didn’t know that.. taking them out of my green house right now...

[@louisdaher]

Appreciate the series of videos on Milsbro it inspired me to do two of my own.

[@staceysullins7431]

Hey just an FYI I ordered those glasses and the ones I got didn't magnify enough to determine the best so I ordered an actual magnifying glass with a light on it and I believe it is 30X. You might want to make sure the glasses you order are high enough.

[@jonathanholmes3756]

I use one table spoon of neem to 500ml of hot tap water in a spray bottle, shake for 2 minutes and then give the plant a good spray tips to soil. Leave for a couple hours then wipe with a microfiber cloth. Works a treat

[@RootingMindfully]

Thrips are my nemesis. I might try that captain Jack’s.

[@Blake_YT33]

Sorry about the pests! Hope you got them under control. Scotch makes and outdoor heavy duty version of mounting “Velcro” that should work for your light. They are very strong hold for 10-30 pounds depending on need!

[@SamanthaH56]

Maybe look into some beneficial insects for the cabinet? Would also be a cool video idea :)

[@wildegenius1]

I tried neem once. Thrips come back! 😡 then I got the blue raid bottle. Not seen a living creature since. 😇

[@valerieostapuk3695]

It doesnt harm the plants?

[@wildegenius1]

I had my plants in a huge container with a lid. I sprayed like 4-5 dm away from them. I didn't see any damage.

Hey Fern :) where are your glasses from? I’ve been trying to find a pair like those for a while. The shape is perfect 🌟 good luck with the pests 😤

[@dramaqueen468]

A diluted neem oil spray have worked for me against thrips as well! Good luck!

[@wildfern]

Thank you, I hope so 🥺💕

[@johnlotsu7275]

The thrips will have spread, hit all yr plants hard with neem oil/ dish soap mix every wk or so. If u put up little yellow paper sticky glue traps all over in yr cabinet too, I’ve caught a few on them, and it will give u a gd idea on numbers. Gd luck.

[@magellancloud]

I had thrips on my plants this summer! Ughhh lost my syngonium albo to them:/ the others survived after I used some chemical pest control spray, didn't wanna risk loosing any more of my faves.

[@lovaosterlund8342]

Hey I just wondering where your humidifier is from because I really need one and I don’t know which one to get☺️

[@nailsbyrohani]

Frog tape /lint roller for spot treat. Also need a full systematic/spray treatment

[@dianaperez7031]

Shouldn't you let the neem oil a few hours before rinsing?

[@wildfern]

I normally don't rinse at all, but I chose to because I was worried about burn since I was doing it in the morning. The alcohol will have killed everything on contact.