In Gaza now, it’s worse than ethnic cleansing | Centre Stage

[@shamim621]

Thank you Prof Pape for standing on the side of truth and Humanity.

[@MatthewH-hp8bp]

This man is a living treasure - one of the greatest human beings of our age, in my opinion. His is a pure and courageous voice of reason, a shining light in the darkness. God bless Ilan Pappe.

[@seanstevens2527]

!!!

[@lunadyana3330]

I don't think he's ever been platformed on an american news program. How different policy could be, were they to have allowed regular appearances by this notable scholar who offers insights from so many perspectives and contexts in the package of one man.

[@joelleschachter2867]

He is also a great historian they are few videos on KZbin as an historian worth listening

[@hajathajat649]

❤

[@makeroftoys]

Except… PLO leader Zuhei Mohsen in 1977 interview w/ truew Magazine "The Palestinian people do not exist. Between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation... Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. The existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons."

[@freepalestine7687]

Listening to this man helps my mental health.

[@meetings3071]

Ilan Pappé 👍 is a solid decent person. ❤️ 🇵🇸 🤍 🇵🇸 🖤 🇵🇸 💚

[@JamesHart-h6j]

Totally agree

[@antonelaradan9380]

Mine tooo😊

[@captainyak3948]

Mine too. The truth always heals...

[@Hannestv4607]

Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!* Son of God are 2 titles one referring to the Word of God = God himself and one referring to creation (humans, angels, demons)

[@CookaSoupNieceEH]

Professor Pappe is a gift to humanity.

[@meetings3071]

I agree. 👍

[@DhariaLurie]

... Only He is humanity’s hope "The Creator Alone Is Humanity’s Hope I want to fly back to Heaven, but have not wings I want to leave this world, but know not the Way I have lived both worldly glory and humiliation I have tasted both the bitter and sweet of the human realm When will the Creator come? Only He is humanity’s hope Autumn of 2013" Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin VI, from Falun Dafa teachings)

[@DhariaLurie]

... The Creator has come "A Song for You I have a sacred song for you I once wondered: Who created Heaven, earth, and all things? Why does life seem such a trying and aimless affair? Who is it that I am? Who really am I? We try so hard, but are left perplexed over lifetimes Now Dafa [Great Law] has unlocked my wisdom I now understand life, and fret not over each trifle The Creator has come He calls on me to rouse lost lambs before the disaster This is the song you’ve awaited A melody from Heaven above October 2013" Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin VI, from Falun Dafa teachings)

[@nabilabou9078]

Ccan't agree more

[@nacidoenel64]

i"m from israel. he opened my eyes. thank you ilan.

[@stewartlowe6703]

Pappe is a great historian. He has deprogrammed himself unlike the Zionist. Fantastic interview.

[@paulgibby6932]

We need de-programming in the US also. It's in process, but not organized. We have historians like the late Howard Zinn, Daniel Immerwahr ("How to Hide an Empire") but there is an active resistance (of course) to revisionist history re: treatment of indigenous people and the racism that goes back to slavery and to the present. It seems many (all?) nations develop narratives and educational systems to keep their myths alive. More power to Pappe

[@aviava7097]

It's really hard to do it as Israeli Zionist without any incentives (from my own experience :) Might be more beneficial to 'deprogram' westerns so they will change the current conditions, which will give Israelis a incentive to change.

[@jenkins7459]

It's merely reprogramming. He's a propagandist not a historian.

[@mariaejose4437]

@@jenkins7459 I think you never read one of his books. His assertions are the result of logical deduction from facts and sustained answers to questions raised from proven sequences of facts. A propagandist just uses slogans and even false facts to force others to accept their ideology. I don't think Ilan Pappé is a propagandist at all. He is a scholar historian who cares about facts, not about ideology. He knows that ideologies themselves are just facts shaped by history and you need to be aware about that or you will be fooled by them.

Zionist? So does Israel not have the right to exist? Is that how Europe responds to their uninvited immigrants, by attacking them as occupiers? Jews have been in Israel for over one hundred years. 80 percent of Jews in Israel were driven there from neighboring countries in the Middle East. Palestinians have to start taking some of the blame and responsibility for their predicament. Most Jews would love a peaceful and prosperous Palestine.

[@NoHandles333]

Really Great Interview format. Al Jazeera is really pushing out great journalism.

[@meetings3071]

For sure. 💯 Al Jazeera is doing excellent journalism. 💚 🇵🇸 🍉 🇵🇸 🤍 🇵🇸 🖤 🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸 🕊️

[@arunkhanna2496]

They are a model for the world at this point. Western interviewers only know how to interrupt and push their own narrative.

[@darinjohnson1725]

Spreading the hate of Islam

[@patricksweeney6334]

@@darinjohnson1725 "Spreading the hate of Islam" If you can genuinely *listen* to this erudite Israeli historian and sincerely come away with any thought that he's "spreading the hate of Islam", you'd benefit enormously from acquiring some critical thinking skills. More likely though... you're just trolling.

[@yihchiehseeto225]

@@darinjohnson1725… we can excuse your ignorance, this isn’t about any particular religion. It is about occupation n killing of innocent civilians, and blaming them as terrorist threats…. If you had the experience or knowledge of Irish resistance against England’s occupation, you will know that it is never about religion

[@MrMdemon]

Voices like Illan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, and Miko Paled give me hope as a Palestinian.

[@meetings3071]

Me too.

[@Annissa-dv6kc]

Me too.🙏🍈🕊️🌿

[@kevintownsend3840]

Beautiful post

[@matnor1786]

Agreed! Let's not forget Max Blumenthal, Katie Halper, Gabor Mate and family, Phil Weiss, Rabbi Shapiro, Sam Seder, the Due Dissidence guys and Gideon Levy. I'm probably forgetting other names.

[@zetto814]

Avi Shlaim Daniel Levy Lara Friedman

[@khalidalkindy]

Thank you IIan for being on side of justice, and being active.

[@aciduzzo]

Ilan Pappe - what a fantastic scholar, very good interview. With people like him we can create a better society, free from zionism.

[@ramprasadgurung940]

Very brave human being who is serving the humanity.

[@pest_4109]

He knows Israeli society better than most, if he's optimistic, I'm optimistic. Also, these interviews are so good, well done.

[@meetings3071]

Excellent 👌 interview.

[@makeroftoys]

PLO leader Zuhei Mohsen in 1977 interview w/ truew Magazine "The Palestinian people do not exist. Between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation... Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. The existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons."

[@pest_4109]

@@makeroftoys what difference is that supposed to make? If we say Palestinians are the Arabs of different provenances who lived in the land of Palestine, do they have fewer rights to the land? Does it justify their cleansing off it?

[@MizanZerangue]

We get to hear and listen to a man with high moral integrity. Another rare gem. Thank you, Sir.

[@DonnaMcFadden]

Excellent report!! Thank you to both of you. Dareen you really did your homework! Great questions. Very refreshing to hear such a thoughtful, well articulated summary Mr. Pappé. Much appreciated!

[@janetwalk4996]

What a wonderful human being. Such clarity.

[@meetings3071]

For sure. 👌

[@manubande]

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

[@gil-1948]

Pape is ignorant and ignorance kills.

[@janetwalk4996]

@@gil-1948 of what? When a person hurls a pathetic insult and doesn’t add to the debate how would you describe them?

[@susanpang1173]

I’m so respect you, Pappe. So wise, and very good knowledge, and very kind heart man. hope your ❤️to Palestine people will come true asap.🙏🙏🙌

[@AA-ik1ek]

Professor Pappe’ is amazingly courageous, eloquent and well-studied.

[@mephilees7866]

I'm surprised he is still alive after saying such things. He is such a great asset to the world. We need more people like him.

[@Globalcrisisdirtyoil]

Yes, he said the truth and he is well educated but look at the other side Izraeli spokesperson Elon Levy studied at Oxford University...😂& he is the greatest Zionist 🤡🤥

[@manubande]

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

[@Amélie-r7r]

Mr. Pappé is such a kind soul. An honest historian.

[@meetings3071]

Absolutely. 👍

[@SarahYounes-il9gk]

Huge respect to Ilan Pappe!! A great historian!!

[@IdaB2379]

I visited Israel and Palestine 10 years ago and seeing the apartheid systems up close was an eye opener. It’s so much worse seeing it in real life, but what also amazed me was the warmth kindness and generosity of the Palestinian people. I really hope that it’s true that we are seeing the beginning of the end of Palestinian suffering.

[@michellenorris8471]

Did you get access to Gaza, if so, perhaps you could describe it a bit more?

[@Boulder-t7p]

@michellenorris8471 most tourists are not allowed to go to gaza... only Westbank because of Bethlehem

[@IdaB2379]

@@michellenorris8471 I did not, as Gaza has been an open air prison for a very long time.

[@mariannehancock8282]

I hope so too, but we must fear that this genocide will be so successful that there will be none left who are not in exile. Why do we allow this?

[@michellenorris8471]

@@mariannehancock8282 There are many, many Palestinian refugees all over the world with legal rights of return for decades now, it is Israel who have unlawfully not allowed them to express this lawful right. Israel will never ever be able to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

[@ahmedjabri3199]

This man is an eye openner to the world

[@dzovinarshahbazian5573]

A fantastic interview thank you for exposing the truth.

[@meetings3071]

Much appreciated. 🇵🇸 💚 🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸 💚 🇵🇸 ❤️

[@Harris665]

I can’t imagine how it would feel to go against my tribe so I respect professor pappe for speaking the truth

[@aviava7097]

It is pretty lonely, but once you see the injustice you can't un-see it.

[@meetings3071]

​@@aviava7097 The straight path is not always the easy path. Respect 🫡 to you for standing with the truth.

[@mariaejose4437]

@@aviava7097 But many see the injustice and stay mouth shouted to avoid personal troubles. He has the courage to speak. He deserves respect for that.

[@faiznuiri129]

Un grand historien qui a la Palestine au coeur

[@aviava7097]

@@mariaejose4437 Unfortunately I don't think this is true. Almost all of Israeli society, 'left' and right, just support Zionism.

[@suleimanalmageni5257]

Hats off for mr.Pappe for his logical modrate argument on the conflicts issue

[@constantinogabrie7041]

Thank you for speaking up and sharing the truth.

[@w28a]

I am simply amazed by the words.

[@marinarosa8599]

Thank you Ilan Pape for your tenacity and integrity ❤❤❤free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@esmaanderson1802]

A very informative and respectful conversation. Thank you

[@meetings3071]

Indeed. Very informative and respectful. Excellent work,👌 Al Jazeera and Ilan Pappé. 🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸 💚 🇵🇸 🍉 🇵🇸

[@der1777]

Thank goodness for people like Ilan Pappe it take courage to stand up for the truth. Bless him. And thanks to AJ. I always say, look up the Lehi militant group from 1948 because it's where thing started.

[@OldTeaMate]

lehi+irgun+stern. irgun founded by jabotinski, who wrote essay:"iron wall", his opinion of "current affairs". brits trained eastern european colonisers earlier, and used them as auxilliary forces. Many brit officers were christian zionists (I.E. general major orde charles wingate, who bannered unconventional warfare). The native were heavily brutalised throughout the '30s. Recommended podcast: Fear&Loathing in Palestine, Darryll Cooper (MartyrMade).

[@yokyok-w5f]

Nicht zuletzt waren KZs eine Erfindung der Briten.

[@Glastonbury1]

What a marvellous human being!! Words cannot express the gratitude and respect I feel for Mr. Pappe and others such as Norman Finkelstein, Angela Davis, Christopher Hedges, Hasam Zomlot, Miko Peled, Nurit Peled Elhanan etc. They are shining enormous light and truth on the genocide committed by Israel. This knowledge is irefutable!!! I thank them from the bottom of my heart!!❣❣❣

[@UmmuFarras]

I love listening to this gentleman and Avi Shlaim. They are treasures of humanity

[@rupertthomson767]

A fantastic interview, thanks for sharing

[@captainyak3948]

I think ICJ should listen to Ilan Pappé.

[@uneti463]

he is a witness, yes

[@parrotbrand2782]

Why listen to him, i think ICJ should listen to Taylor Swift.

[@shariz01]

A man with great morals and a human

[@saraseydi9999]

Such wise words, brilliant interview, thank u Al Jazeera and Ilan Pappe 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💜

[@victoriadizon9979]

The transition must go quickly and positively, as Ilan Pappe says. So plans and discussions have to have already begun some time ago because the groundwork has to have been laid. This is very crucial, enlightening and exciting !

[@neda4056]

it was a real pleasure listen to Pappe !

[@BronwynReiss]

So much respect for this gentle man. So grateful to see him speak in Toronto many years ago. Incredibly informative. 😢

[@miriamschiro8585]

“Thisis ethnic cleansing with the intent to genocide. It’s far worse than what happened in 1948. That’s the 1st point” 9:52 Sooooo glad you interviewed Ilan Pappe I wish he was interviewed MUCH MUCH sooner 🤦🏽‍♀️ he should be a historian teacher teaching this truth to the world. I Will look for his book it will be a treasure to have in my library 📚 ❤

[@meetings3071]

He has many books. _Ten Myths About Israel_ and _The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine_ are good starting places.

[@OldTeaMate]

There are many both lectures and interviews with Ilan Pappé, if you haven"t noticed already, and not two are alike.

[@miriamschiro8585]

@@meetings3071 oh ok thx 😊 I will get both of those to start. Such knowledge of this event having in our time it is a treasure to have for the future generation to better understand and have a real inside view of this horrific event that will be in the history books.

[@miriamschiro8585]

@@OldTeaMate thank you! I feel bad that I’m just now learning about him smh 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@yokyok-w5f]

Und dann vergleichen Sie mal die Ansichten des Historikers Pappe mit der, des Historikers Wolffsohn. Leider sieht es so aus, dass Wolffsohn seine Indoktrination sowohl bei der Bundeswehr als auch neuerdings im Jugendbereich anbringen darf. Wir brauchen einen Pappe - aber wir haben einen Wolffsohn. Da läuft etwas ganz gehörig falsch.

[@saffanalvy]

"Whatever is happening in Gaza is worse than 1948." - Pappe

[@FR33_PALESTIN33]

"In my perspective, what's happening now in Gaza is far worse than what happened in 1948."

[@TristanMorrow]

History awareness test: what do you think he's talking about happened in 1948? (real question; am curious)

[@Deine.Mutter.Mag.Bratfett.]

​@@TristanMorrowthe nakba

[@dennisstember5062]

@@TristanMorrow Just watch the video. He explains what he means in detail.

[@MacrobianNomad]

@@TristanMorrowyou clearly didn’t watch the interview then. In his opinion 1948 was Ethnic Cleansing while Gaza since 8 Oct is a Genocide in action.

[@willkoop6100]

This has to be the important dialogue to date on this subject. Thank you Al Jazeera for opening this door. Pappe's synthesis, his articulation, is rational, sensible, compassionate, daring, and insightful. This looks like the best path forward. What he says about south Africa, in relation to Israel, is dead on! Painful, but necessary.

[@Icanttimetravelyet2023]

This is a good man 👍🏽

[@meetings3071]

Indeed. Ilan Pappé is very good and honest historian. 🫡 💚 🇵🇸 🍉 🇵🇸 🤍 🇵🇸 🖤 🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸 🕊️

[@manubande]

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

[@stephendoherty981]

Thank God for people like IIan Pappe and Noam Chomsky. Voices of reason. Pappe's book on the 1948 Nakba is essential reading to explain the origins of the conflict.

[@meetings3071]

I agree. 👍 It is shockingly accurate to see how history repeats itself, including the plan to use starvation as a weapon, which was considered by the Zionists as far back as 1948.

[@yokyok-w5f]

Vor allem, weil er sich da noch auf Quellen berufen konnte, die - wie ich vor kurzem las - demnächst nicht mehr frei zugänglich sei. sollen. Kein Wunder bei der jetzigen Apartheid- Regierung.

[@g1fcg]

We have the UK with the Balfour declaration to thank for this horrific 'situation' in Palestine - giving land that wasn't theirs to give! I feel absolutely ashamed to be 'British'!!

[@OldTeaMate]

It's even worse. Look at the balfour-declaration adressee.

[@g1fcg]

@@OldTeaMate I know, Lord Rothschild - and what was said did not happen!

[@yokyok-w5f]

Wir können die Vergangenheit nicht ändern - aber in Zukunft vieles besser machen. Allein uns Bürgern (Sie britisch, ich deutsch) stehen nur all zu oft unsere Regierungen im Weg.

[@annoloki]

Britain didn't give away any land, this is an Israeli invention. The British goal was to create a Jewish ruling class in Palestine, just as the French were doing in Syria with the Alawites. This is about territory for governance, not land. Land ownership is private property, at no point was this "given away". As Britain became aware that the zionists had no intention of living along side the existing population, and were going to be violently removing them, Britain did actually start to put the brakes on... not very hard, we're still talking extreme racist times, but the zionists started getting support from Stalin, getting huge weapons imports from Czechoslovakia, and there was a lot of violence between the zionists and the British. But, after the war, there were some 300,000 holocaust survivors stuck in camps in Germany, and this was a real problem, as the population was deeply indoctrinated into the idea that it was Jewish people who were responsible for all the problems, and nothing would be better until they were gone. The zionists didn't really want the survivors going there, seeing them as probably the "bad ones" who saved themselves by selling out others, so couldn't be trusted, but Ben Gurion was basically bribed with getting legal recognition of the state in return for accepting a load of the survivors. The zionists began the massacres in november 1947, as British forces were preparing to leave. We turned a blind eye, to get peace in Europe, we condemned the Palestinians to eternal violence and terror. When the holocaust survivors arrived, they had empty homes to stroll right into. The zionists lied to them, exploiting their experience in Europe to control them, telling them "they hate us, we defended ourselves", trapping Palestinians in a narcissistic relationship where everything they do to try and escape punishment is interpreted as aggression that requires further punishment... ie, victim inversion. But make no mistake, the zionists stole the land with guns, they were extremely brutal, nobody gave it to them.

[@DW-og8ow]

You’re correct. The Balfour Declaration under international law is illegal. Therefore Israel has no right to exist.

[@GeoffreyAngapa]

Telling it like it is. Respect to Mr. Pappé. Though supposedly counter-intuitive, a one-state solution could be the right answer. It's what worked in my country, South Africa, though people didn't think it would.

[@myrtillesm3532]

We ought to live as egual , with egual rights for every one. Then no need for a wall of shame. Justice, equity, respect and humanity for all can bring security and real peace

[@orlandos8323]

It has worked for centuries. Wouldn't it be wonderful again, all people of the 3 faiths living together in mutual respect and dignity.

[@GeoffreyAngapa]

@@orlandos8323 It would be wonderful and beautiful. I hope we see it someday!

[@stuartbailey9287]

Probably fair to say that the rival tribes in South Africa like the Boars, Zulu etc etc did not include many religious fanatics who consider they are on a mission from God to wipe out their rivals no matter what the cost and were keen to make a deal to avoid a never ending war. If Israel crumbles in the same way as other states in its imediate locality its probably going to go the same way as Syria, Lebanon and Iraqi with the moderate democrats crushed between rival extreme religious groups and fleeing into exile while the fanatics keep fighting. In this Ilan Pappe fleeing to UK in 2006 seems to be ahead of the rush.

[@care2care-s7y]

I hear so much cruelty in the Israeli education system against Palestinians and the evil treatment. It feels like it would take generations to pass before Palestinians would get respect as human beings, even after the genocide and atrocities stopped.

[@frazel22]

This intellectual Giant among the International Solidary Movement and the New Historian Movement is such an aspiring figure!

[@OllieBivins]

As an antiimperialist American dating back to Palestine work in college beginning in the early 1970's, this is one of the best interviews I've ever heard on Palestine/Israel.

[@susannebuge976]

Thank you very much for this Interview ❤

[@HazaraBibi-q1n]

Thank you Sir, your the great man. Told all the truth about the Gainist their all corruption.

[@admirosmani3765]

Ilan Pappe is a great historian

[@meetings3071]

For sure. 👍

[@lowkey_me6038]

Huge respect to IIan Pappe . ❤

[@D-E-S_8559]

AMENmesse ca. 1203-1200 B.C. is the Nubian Pharaoh of the 19th dynasty that settled "sea peoples" in Kanaan ....In Christianity we end our prayers in his name, in honour of his role to Abrahamic religions....

[@manubande]

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

[@ghalibgalant9750]

À very thoughtful insight into what is possible. Thank you Prof Pape

[@juliethurner4099]

Thank you both for the interesting interview. This is the first time I have heard an open discussion on the one state solution, definitely the best solution I have heard so far.

[@yokyok-w5f]

Die Frage ist, weshalb sind derartig aufklärerische 24:59 Interviews im deutschen TV nicht zu sehen? Warum und von wem wird das verhindert?

[@kate-miawhite5633]

It’s awful what’s happening in Gaza. I wish I didn’t feel so powerless 😢

[@jerrymiller9039]

You can speak out against hamas

[@shehannanayakkara4162]

I found his description of the Gaza Strip from 1948-1967 quite disingenuous though, he neglected to mention that Egypt invaded and annexed the territory, calling it an Israeli creation makes no sense.

[@marianaalexandru6166]

@@VerneRawks 17 years of the total blockade of Gaza, 56 years of occupation and 75 years of dehumanization of the Palestinians? No one is superior to another, otherwise we allow what happened in the 1940s to return, but with other actors.

[@peacekeeper4654]

Spoken like a true Zionist & coloniser. Israel has become a Pariah state. Whatever happens next their people will never be looked at the same again....@@thegodkratos1275

[@userxyz64]

​@@VerneRawks1948 - 2024.

[@roddyrod583]

Protect this man! What a wonderful and educated human being. Great interview.

[@sabatalsharif8948]

❤❤❤

[@JarnailSingh-lg2vj]

Salute to such sacred soul, who alone stand in favour of humanity, with his courageous voice. Thanking both and channel.

[@krios2905]

Thank you. This is one of the best interviews on the matter I have ever watched. So clear, so true. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@manuelashirinknapp9153]

Very good interview.

[@soundcanvas1450]

Wise man 🌎🌱

[@adinahaun6001]

Wonderful human in every way- smart, brave, articulate, and a gift to us during these terrible days.

[@naymatunc-rc6vs]

A great human with Heart

[@meetings3071]

Absolutely.

[@manubande]

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

[@yokyok-w5f]

Welch ein Unterschied zu den in Deutschland lebenden Juden Schuster in Wolffsohn. Gäbe es nur mehr von der Art Pappe oder Chomsky ​@@manubande

[@deansawich6250]

Thanks for this insightful interview. It is nice to see a positive vision of the future coming from a very wise man. I live in South Africa, and have since 1983. The other day I was at the Barber Shop, it is owned and run by a Muslim man from Indian heritage. His staff is young Zulu men and women. During my haircuting session, the clientele that came through were Indian males, white males, and me an American expat male. To listen to the banter and leg pulling amoungst all ensundry was heart-warming and cheering to the spirit. In 1983 this group would not have ever been allowed to even assemble. South Africa, with all its warts, has made the transition that Professor Pappé envisions for Palestinians and the Israelis that want to stay as equals. Right now they don't know what they are missing. Free Palestine and freedom for the Palestinians ❤️❤️❤️🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@Annissa-dv6kc]

Thank you for sharing this. I’m a Palestinian-American living in Europe in a community that has become an immigration destination for Israelis and white South Africans. While I find it challenging to summon empathy for these self-designated “refugees” who have become disillusioned with their “homelands,” I understand that, ultimately, we are all children of the Empire. It warms my heart to hear your story.💜🕊️

[@deansawich6250]

@@Annissa-dv6kc Thanks. If you want an affirmation, Google a picture of the South African Ruby team. A once bastion of Afrikaans manhood and South African identity, is now fully South African and fully supported in the country and has been for years.

[@thebokkie80]

🧡

[@nicolebalm6116]

So clear, thank you!

[@meetings3071]

Indeed. 👍

[@astridschwarz5473]

Dear Mr. Pappe, Please come to Germany. We need some sense talked into our government.

[@yokyok-w5f]

Ich habe das Buch ,Die ethnische Säuberung Palästinas' vor Jahren gelesen und darüber gestaunt. dass Herr Pappe Zugang zu so vielen Quellen hatte. Da waren Aufzeichnungen von Ben Gurion darunter, die wenig schmeichelhaft waren. Auch durfte Herr Pappe Einsicht in Militärakten haben und damit der Wahrheitsgehalt seiner Untersuchung der damaligen Vorkommnisse untermauern.

[@yokyok-w5f]

and please talk to our MSM - they need the correct information

[@muniebabrown4021]

❤❤Prof Pappi❤❤what a great historian❤much Respect

[@meetings3071]

Much respect, indeed. 🫡 🇵🇸 💚 🇵🇸

[@l23918]

So sad, beyond comprehension to witness this horrific aggression everyday, the plight of the Gazans.

[@D-E-S_8559]

AMENmesse ca. 1203-1200 B.C. is the Nubian Pharaoh of the 19th dynasty that settled "sea peoples" in Kanaan ....In Christianity we end our prayers in his name, in honour of his role to Abrahamic religions..

[@rosestewart1606]

Ilan Pappe is right. Hamas is settling for a 2 state solution but 1 state is inevitable. It's amazing that historians have the best talent for predicting the future.

[@LordMalice6d9]

Predicting the future is not difficult. It is pattern recognition.

[@jimreily7538]

​@@LordMalice6d9So if it's not difficult, then you'll be able to tell us, say, who will win the elections in Madagascar in a week ? Or the elections in South Africa on the same day, or the elections in Mexico or Serbia, which will happen a few days after those in South Africa and Madagascar ?

[@mznxbcv12345]

" The first time the phrase “human animal” was recorded in history was by himmaliar, in The Posen speech to SS officers (6 October 1943) - On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians. Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1 According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1 When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1 From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower. The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. The reported ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians Active duty military personnel: 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%" -Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well' -Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband' Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023: 2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255. 2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300. 2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138. 2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30. 2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349. 2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191. 2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227. civilian deaths on the other side - 2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9 2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26 Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel. Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Yinon Plan.

[@beachesney7920]

wow thank yuou for publishing these all important stats which change everything

[@NotLazySelectivelyMotivated]

Everyone should read the Yinon plan.

[@khalidalkindy]

Very important information thank you for sharing

[@der1777]

Thanks for sharing

[@keithdavo]

thanks for this. very important information

[@orlandos8323]

Very impressed! People like Professor Pappé are lights in the dark ❤ Thank you Al Jazeera

[@yokyok-w5f]

Hat - angesichts dieses Interviews - irgendein europäischer TV Sender Grund auf Al Jazeera herabzublicken? Ganz klar: Nein! Ihr von ARD, ZDF etc solltet Euch ein Beispiel daran nehmen, wie Journalismus auszusehen hat, damit er akzeptiert wird.

[@DR07921]

This is a very enlightening video

[@yasserel-harmil535]

What a man! Great thoughts

[@Badgerbeard]

Ilan Pappe has such a clear, quiet understanding. I so want to believe his vision can come to pass. His book "The ethnic cleansing of Palestine" is requisite reading for people on a journey of understanding.

[@blackbird3297]

What a bold individual on his own people... when they are up to flipflop in what is necessary...

[@MarionThi]

‼️Richtig 👏👏👏 Gut gesagt❤

[@esrefcelikcelik8789]

An honest man.

[@edsynio3556]

AJ: Peace better than war.

[@fathimourali4118]

We seldom hear an honest and objective man like him.

[@RobinHerzig]

Feels like this convo was way too short… but it's super important to get Prof Pappé's voice out there ✊

[@dzovinarshahbazian5573]

I love both Israelis and Palestinians and I pray one day they will both live in peace .This man is wise and brave he should lead .

[@meetings3071]

Indeed.

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

Everyone who was there lived in peace side by side for centuries. Then something changed when an "-ism" was imposed.

[@shamim621]

​@@Simon.the.Likeableexactly 💯 that

[@mariahewitt9787]

​@@Simon.the.Likeable Yes, Zionism.

[@dianacasey6002]

Sorry after seeing ppl blockading aid truck do t think I could ever do a both sides. I’ll leave it at that.

[@victoriadizon9979]

"A proper Palestinian organization"..This is what is desperately needed and there are definitely so many capable Palestinian minds that can coalesce to bring this Palestinian organization to fruition.

[@DomanToha]

Shame on Nyetanyau and his supporters,Mr Pape has now spoken the truth.God will answer them.

[@mamadeem.kamara4279]

Very informative and educative interview. The Professor is well knowledgeable of the long standing history of Palestine and Israel. The US and UK intentionally reject the facts when it comes to the case of Palestine. It's sad!

[@WaseemSahal]

Nice truthful person..

[@Mairaaax]

He’s absolutely correct all the factions need to unite to create one body

[@Tajota512]

Can’t get tired to hear you Ilan Pappe ❤ Free free Palestine 🍉

[@JamesHart-h6j]

Omg someone talking sense

[@victoriadizon9979]

Great interview/discussion, Al Jazeera !

[@kedis1666]

Thank you for making this meeting possible.

[@wblebon]

SO DONT LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU THAT IT STARTED ON OCTOBER 7th 1. Haifa Massacre 1937 2. Jerusalem Massacre 1937 3. Haifa Massacre 1938 4. Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 5. Haifa Massacre 1939 6. Haifa Massacre 1947 7. Abbasiya Massacre 1947 8. Al-Khisas Massacre 1947 9. Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947 10. Jerusalem Massacre 1947 11. Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947 12. Jaffa Massacre 1948 13. Deir Yassin Massacre - 1948 14.Tantura Massacre - 1948 15. Khan Yunis Massacre 1956 16. Jerusalem Massacre 1967 17. Bahro Al Baquar in 1972 18. Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982 19 Al-Aqsa Massacre 1990 20. Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994 21. Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002 22. Gaza Massacre 2008-09 23. Gaza Massacre 2012 24. Gaza Massacre 2014 25. Gaza Massacre 2018-19 26. Gaza Massacre 2021 27. Gaza Genocide 2023 is still ongoing. *DONT LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU THAT IT STARTED ON OCTOBER 7th* *SHARE AND REPOST*

[@healthytruth1363]

THANK YOU FOR LISTING ALL EVENTS OF MASSACRES TOOK PLACE .....WAY BEFORE OCT 7TH ❤❤❤❤ KEEP UP YOUR GOOD WORK 👍👍👍👍

[@ice-cream313]

You know it's a genocide when Palestinians are labelled biblical Amalek and 1 samuel 15:3 is used to justify it.

[@aniankh]

Zionist mindset.

[@meetings3071]

​@user-it5fr4ol5f Alan White, surely you are not trying to justify Genocide? ❤️ 🇵🇸 🤍 🇵🇸 🖤 🇵🇸 💚

[@myrtillesm3532]

1948 plus years of mistreatment and disrespect led unfortunately to Oct 7th. It's a consequence not a cause

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

Psalm 110 tells them that their enemies will be their footsools. Isaiah 61 tells them foreigners will be their plowmen and vinedressers. Deuteronomy 15 tells them how to reign over many nations. Their Tanakh is full of useful information for them.

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

@@Simon.the.Likeable "Religion poison's everything!" - Christopher Hitchens

[@Esprit-liberal]

I like this man , I know his books , and I have read about his bio , it's quite an interesting one, under all the risks he took over all the years in the name of the TRUTH, it's quite Extraordinary and courageous

[@meetings3071]

Indeed. 👍 He has excellent books.

[@sohailagha1803]

Thanks and respect for speaking truth

[@LaurieCoco-t8z]

Thankyou!!!!!!!

[@stephenkeddy6849]

He’s an extraordinary man❤️🇵🇸🗝️

[@sho-na]

I would love to see AJ have Professor Rashid Khalidi on this series. His work complements Professor Pappe’s nicely.

[@melodymzoubi4140]

Mr Pappe is a great and intelligent human being. May he always be blessed. Thank you both

[@ianking9485]

Even though I am devastated by the behaviour of Israel, the USA and Western Europe towards the innocent Palestinians, I still have hope in my fellow human beings who refused to buy into this narrative that Israel has a right to defend itself so their satanic cruelty and violence should be accepted by the rest of the world. I have love for all the people of our beautiful earth, my life experience is my guide. I experienced love and kindness from so many different people of different races. I hope some positive solution can be resolved between Israel and the Palestinians.

[@myrtillesm3532]

Onless being dishonest, the way is resolve a conflict is never to retaliate. Israelis retaliation is totally dishonest

[@chynizara]

Great interview! Thank you Ilan Pappe for continuing to speak up for justice

[@ChristinaGerlach]

To know true peace, one must have peace with the truth. Thank you for that concept, Illan Pappe.

[@mgm9119]

What an honest intellectual! Professor Pappe is indeed a gift to humanity!

[@judithkuster6646]

Ilan pappé is a nice, honest historian and very very simplistic thinker.