June 2022 SMASH ULTIMATE TIER LIST (High Tier)

[@Nubbz3YT]

If MkLeo picked up Incineroar, everyone would be 100% certain he is high tier.

[@amaze_z1953]

That's basically any character, tbh he played MK on stream and looked untouchable, yet MK is still low tier

[@cbrogodesscb5182]

Nubbz? Didn’t know you were a smash fan

[@Xearrik]

If MKLeo picked up Ganon people would say he was high or top tier.

[@StealthKey]

woah its the brawl stars guy

[@ImLuna_az]

That’s why people said Byleth was high tier. Leo just has that influence on people, they think the character is good, when in fact the player is simply godlike.

[@AnimusPrime87]

I love Esam. He’s like the Usain Bolt of speaking. That guy has more words per minute than a novelist.

[@AnimusPrime87]

@bruhskyy ssbu He talks like he’s trying to speedrun his own script. It reminds me of the guys that read disclaimers at the end of advertisements where they fit a whole paragraph into 3 seconds.

[@dennisd.4726]

@@AnimusPrime87 really? You like that? Just sounds like he's rambling a bunch to me. Half the stuff he says is irrelevant imo lol

[@AnimusPrime87]

@@dennisd.4726 If you don’t like it, what are you doing here?

[@isaacsmith6482]

I listen to him on 1.5 lol

[@AnimusPrime87]

@@isaacsmith6482 You absolute MAD LAD.

[@omlett6482]

Incin is a lot like Kazuya imo, both have an exploitable disadvantage and are relatively slow compared to most of the cast but when they can scrap they can *scrap*

[@bunk766]

Ewgf is better than incineroar as an entire character do not get confused

[@dankboy6744]

Incin is not relatively slow compared to the rest of the cast. He IS the slowest character bar none. And for that im out

[@puppetree4119]

@@dankboy6744 ground speed wise yes

[@dankboy6744]

@@puppetree4119 who asked bruh

[@willycheez7218]

You also can't zone Incineroar otherwise he one shots you

[@unskilledgamer3642]

I don't get how Pikachu is supposed to be good against Incineroar. It may focus on Special Attack so it's not really affected by Intimidate, but the difference in stats is just to big. Incineroar can easily Fake Out, Knock Off of Flare Blitz and there is not much Pikachu can do about it.

[@aydenator27]

pikachu has gigantamax form which means he’s automatically superior

[@ShinyHunterAsh]

Light Ball

[@rubikonium9484]

Smash must be scalemons then lol

[@dennisd.4726]

T jolt invalidates a lot of what incin can do. You can't wiff punish anything with a character that slow if you're constantly avoiding a projectile. Especially one as small as pika

[@unskilledgamer3642]

@@dennisd.4726 Considering that Pikachu has only 50 base Special Attack even a 90 power move like Thunderjolt won't do much damage to Incineroar, not even if Pikachu has a Light Ball. On the other hand Incineroars physical stab moves like Flare Blitz and Knock Off are strong enough to One Hit KO a Pikachu. And since Incineroar also often carries a priority move with Fake Out it basically negates Pikachu's little speed advantege.

[@captaincaveman971]

Incineroar has top tier frame data and hit boxes trapped in a bottom 3 characters body which makes him more mid tier imo

[@vrimb1]

I think he should be like 10 charecters worst imo

[@StriderZessei]

@@vrimb1 lol

[@user-ir1th5no9j]

but then again, he cant be camped out and has really good combos and killing options and can get combos from his revenge. and his revenge can also get him out of some combos since it is active at frame 3 the only bad thing is his movement. so tbh he really doesn't have the usual weaknesses a heavy has

[@Xearrik]

Propaganda. His frame data and hit boxes aren't that good. Search up Incineroar frame data. Too many people say that without it being anywhere neir true.

[@bowsertnt7904]

@@Xearrik his normals (except his smash attacks, f-tilt and down air) are under or at frame 10. Seems pretty fast to me. Also for a close range character, he has pretty good range

[@dareales103]

As An Incineroar main, I'll admit his speed is what kills him but if you know how to play, he's deadly.

[@alyssakitten6006]

Agreed, he's my main as well and he's very deadly if you know what your doing

[@livid5]

Well said, his recovery is also better then people make it out to be (still not amazing tho)

[@ashtonmitchell2476]

Just imagine if he had the same speed as pichu (they have the same base speed in Pokémon) incineroar would be insane with speed like that

[@dennisd.4726]

@@livid5 yeah that's true. It has so much mixup potential. He's almost impossible to edge guard if you have an idea of how your opponent is going to try to edge guard you

[@unskilledgamer3642]

@@ashtonmitchell2476 Incineroar should really be as fast as Pichu, outspeeding Jigglypuff and Squirtle.

[@j.rubach9910]

Fatality did indeed lab IDJ like his life depended on it, and you'll see him use it ever so often. The problem lies in the fact that many of Falcon's crazy idj 0 - insane damage and potential death combos are insanely frame thight and too hard as of right now to do consistantly. That's why he's not doing it too often (although there are some consistantly good idj combos you'll see Fatality do all the time, which often (but not always) are less execution heavy). He even labbed out crazy death combos against almost every character, but again, they were all super frame thight and execuiton heavy. But like he said in his stream not too long ago; Falcon's idj use might be hard rn, but once Falcon players get more consistant at utilizing it and find more ways of killing characters at 0, Falcon is gonna be insanly good. Theoretically, Falcon will be hella broken with more optimization down the line

[@TheFullPackage]

It's also because those frame tight specific idj combos he labbed out only work with specific DI. In some cases bad DI or no DI would make those combos also not work because they're only labbed with 'optimal' DI. Then you also factor in the opponent's ability to mix up their DI mid combo and make it not work, or just SDI and make it not work. Then on top of all of this they're very percentage dependant and stage positioning dependant. All in all IDJ certainly does buff Falcon's combo game, but Esam, like other things about Falcon, massively overrates it.

[@j.rubach9910]

@@TheFullPackage Agree. This is very true. His idj stuff is super inconsistant due to both di and sdi. That's certainly why players like Fatality shy away from using it. However, like Fatlity also said, Falcon def got the potential with idj, but we'll have to see how his meta develops in terms of finding more consistant idj combos which are less affected by both di mixups and sdi. And if they are affected by di, then how reliable can you react to it without dropping the combo. If players find combos you can react to reliably, then that would be a huge plus

[@TheFullPackage]

@@j.rubach9910 Yeah for sure. Honestly I don't think we're gonna see anything that special to come from Falcon idj combos that we haven't seen already but I hope to be proven wrong.

[@j.rubach9910]

@@TheFullPackage Yeah, it's gonna be hard, but would be amazing if something new comes up. And if not, we'll just have to see how good players get at utilizing the stuff we've already figured out. Cause as insanely hard as it is, it certainly has its uses if mastered. But yeah. it's though, so we'll just have to see how things come together

[@ScrubNigel]

Very specific percents, especially against the smaller characters. Sure, it can wreck Donkey Kong, but Falcon already has 100 other more reliable ways to do that.

[@jtowers93]

An Incineroar must've clapped ESAM's cheeks hard to be this high on the tier list

[@NCozy]

Have you seen Skyjay?

[@hools7659]

ESAM may have beaten Skyjay but he still got hit by the shenanigans

[@mosketo]

Nah Incineroar is stupid

[@imESAM]

Perfect offline record with that character LOL it’s almost like i can look at stuff WITHOUT MY PERSONAL RECORD AFFECTING SHIT

[@Whukariousprods]

@@imESAM Coping

[@Bailey_West]

Finally, people are learning how amazing Incin truly can be

[@xanander4693]

Esam put him at the bottom of high tier, there’s nothing amazing there stop getting your hopes up 💀

[@Bailey_West]

@@xanander4693 coming from being low to low mid tier, it’s something bruh 😭

[@substitutedoll5224]

esam tends to underrate or be contrarian with the general opinions of "on the rise" characters, him taking note of incin in particular is a huge compliment

[@Tendor_TV]

i love how esam shows a match as an example for sephiroth were he himself plays and loses. true sportsmanship

[@CrossoverFan4life]

He seems always to pick a video where the character he talks about wins. Even when it's himself

[@apocalypse9199]

While saying that Sephiroth needs to outplay opponents to win.

[@JB-fd8jy]

Notable players of each mentioned character: Incineroar: Mystery Sol, Skyjay, Bullhall Bowser: Hero, Dark thunder, LeoN, Nanoash Ken: AndresFn, Vendetta, takera, Jahzz0 Falco: Tilde, Masa, Larry Lurr, Nexus Sephiroth: KEN, Tweek, Ned Hero: Akakikusu, HOPE, Beastmodepaul, SPARKLE Inkling: Space, Shirayuki, Colorondo8, Shaneak, Levi, showers Luigi: Yamanaction, Elegant, Luugi, WaKa, Rarukun, Kiyarash Corrin: MKLeo, Ly, SHADIC Megaman: Repo, TriM, MPg, Peabnut Chrom: Mr R, tk3, Lavish, Lancelot, Rivers Link: T, Rido, Deltaforce Byleth: MKLeo, Ly, Rizeasu Greninja: Lea, Tarik, iStudying, Iceknight, Capsize Kazuya: Riddles, Brr, Axiom XL, Tarik, Tea, acola, Ferps Diddy Kong: Etsuji, Tweek, Aaron, Ryuoh, Rivers Ryu: Ashimo, Ikan, Munekin Ness: Gackt, Scend, Pkchris, PeW, Syrup Terry: Riddles, Cless, Darkstalker, Tsu Captain Falcon: Fatality, Jogibu, Huto, Sean, Ogey, NickC, Andrik Min Min: Protobanham, Dabuz, Pink Fresh, Omuatsu, Mao, Xerzal, Peckham Yoshi: Suarez, Yoshidora, Myles, JMafia, Meme

[@Mufflin]

I'd thought nexus would be in the falco's, never heard if Masa though need to check him out.

[@JB-fd8jy]

@@Mufflin I forgot nexus. Kinda difficult to do this without forgetting anyone ^^

[@Mufflin]

I can tell you have alot more knowledge on players then me as I got confused when I saw rivers as everytime I've seen him play it was as chrome instead of diddy.

[@Mufflin]

@@JB-fd8jy Recently Dabuz has been playing MinMin again, not sure if he'll stick with it but it's got him out a lot of tough situations like that one time he reversed 3-0d myran.

[@JB-fd8jy]

@@Mufflin added dabuz to the list. I don't know which character rivers is currently playing. I only remember his diddy but I will also add him to the notable Chrom players

[@bowser4824]

Everything he said about bowser is true. IMO what really hurts Bowser that was not mentioned is his HORRID tech roll that barely moves and is slow and that he doesn't have any safe pressure like other characters.

[@unidentified4122]

Speaking of characters that just "haha hit the button, we have byleth" I actually started wheezing XD

[@gatr2897]

It's cool seeing how far Incineroar as come. I've been a Bowser main for the entirety of this game, with a Steve comain as well now, but I had a lot of times where I wanted to make Incineroar work so bad but he just felt unproven, like a big gamble. Seeing how he's evolved tho I have faith in him now and I think I might want to finally make the switch myself

[@rubikonium9484]

I was initially a Bowser main at first, like you. But I found my Bowser consistently falling off and my Incineroar was quickly pulling ahead. Made the switch slightly after it happened. This was when Incineroar was bottom 3-5 though. And I am very happy to see how far Incineroar has come.

[@Wesley-76]

But Incineroar can't evolve, he's a fully-evolved Pokémon!

[@bobbytoth2393]

This was the most accurate Ness tier explanation I've ever heard.

[@lashen4129]

Except he didn’t go into the fact that ness literally shits on pikachu

[@MerryBlind]

Always thought Yoshi was ridiculously good for how easy he is to play. Never understood people underrating the character. In terms of good matchups against top tier I'd say Yoshi beats Mario. He excels against other brawlers who don't have much range either, and his double jump is probably good to get out of Mario combos.

[@frogturtle]

He’s a noob stomper character and definitely good overall but similarly to smash 4 he struggles against the best sword characters. Approaching aerials commonly break through egg throw, not all of his best range moves are disjointed which makes approaching hard, and in general he just gets swatted away when trying to approach in the air which is like 90% of yoshi’s gameplan but idk ultimate is pretty complex and I’m just some random Yoshi player so I’m hoping to be proven wrong haha

[@frogturtle]

And yeah he had a solid matchup against Mario in smash 4 as well because it was hard for Mario to combo him. Although mario’s up smash was very anti-Yoshi as a tradeoff

[@MerryBlind]

@@frogturtle Yeah he definitely struggles against swordies, but so does Mario and that doesn't stop him from being top tier!

[@frogturtle]

@@MerryBlind oh yeah. I think yoshi has the potential to win in this game, but it would certainly be hard. Mario has an insane combo game that yoshi lacks in comparison, but yoshi has other strengths over Mario. I think wario also kinda does what yoshi does better than yoshi, but I think yoshi has been underrepresented too…so that could change if more people commit to playing him in tournaments :)

[@voodooedits785]

@@MerryBlind Mario’s only really bad sword mu is shulk the rest of the mus he loses are 45-rr which aren’t that many

[@rimjob_steve4688]

Esam: Sephiroth is kinda bad idk editor: I'm about to end this man's whole career

[@romeospells2487]

That was my favorite part of the video by far

[@superstarandfriends2008]

When i saw Incineroar in high tier. I was like. "I REFUSE TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE YOSHI IS LOWER THE INCINEROAR " then i see yoshi and i calm down

[@catonaceilingfanstudios4148]

Link main here, you don't have to choose between having a bomb game and having a recovery most of the time, when doing bomb stuff the only time bomb ends up out of your hand it's when you blow it up after the footstool, and if you're holding bomb and get hit, most often you still hold onto it instead of drop it, the only time you probably should worry about leaving bomb off stage is if you mess up a ledge trap and get knocked off stage, which if you're using bomb at ledge correctly shouldn't really be happening

[@easternsheep6995]

Hard agree, I don't know where the idea of "choice" came from what with Sillintor walking around. Man plays both playstyles at the same time and is a master of both.

[@joseph8711]

@@easternsheep6995 he's good but doesnt he only play online

[@easternsheep6995]

@@joseph8711 Mostly online yeah, he did go to some tournaments in the past but he's since stopped attending them. Just because someone plays online doesn't mean they can't be cracked though.

[@joseph8711]

@@easternsheep6995 i said in the reply that he's good, but again, if he only plays online its not really proving point. it can only prove u so much. he's a twitter clip machine though

[@CwuLacha]

Fellow link main. Yes you do have to choose cause we all know that we aren’t in the proper mindset to do both most of the time. That is without mentioning how crazy it is to execute some of the combos. He made it clear that it’s more about decision making and as a Link who leans towards recoveries I honestly mad agree

[@chrispo7610]

4:42 on SDI Ken has routes that are SDI mixups where one SDI breaks one, while the opposite SDI breaks another (e.g. medium DP requires opposite SDI to heavy dp). Ryu's main route is ldtilt > hdtilt > fireball/tatsu. As Vendetta showed in his shoto counterplay vid, SDI up makes all of these whiff. SDI up is also by far easiest one to do preemptively

[@smugaladdin8372]

Also he says ryu has better combos and then says he doesn't need to approach, but also has a worse approach than Ken, so how exactly is he hitting those "better" combos. I see ryus hit big combos far less often because he also suffers from kens issue of a lot of stuff being untrue if proper counter play is implemented, but the big difference being Ken has more ways to extent stuff and punish airdodges with kills because of his speed, in situations where ryu could only get a shaku. I also think Ken has a much better defence because of his anti airs, you can react with shoryu and roundhouse for full hop and short hop, shoryu has i frames on the arm, roundhouse is ginormous and the whole leg has frames and it kills (that move is insane). I think they're about even and he's downplaying Ken a lot. Ken can still camp if he really wants to, obviously weaker but yano, damage is damage I guess

[@jonnyc3905]

While this man was talking about Bowser, I was going "YO THIS DIDDY IS PRETTY GOOD"

[@cabbages982]

The fact that Incineroar is bottom of high tier makes sense. With Skyjays performances I wouldn’t be surprised if solo Incineroar could win a b tier or even a tier tournament. And being at the bottom, he’s basically mid tier anyways, he’s just bumped up one tier for content.

[@unskilledgamer3642]

Incineroar is RU for a reason. Can be strong when played correctly, but in general term just worse than OU and UU Pokemon.

[@Auristmusic]

@@unskilledgamer3642 Incineroar has also dominated every VGC its been part of including ones with all the ubers

[@ScuffedHits]

@@unskilledgamer3642 Incin is top 3 in vgc tho

[@Walterhartwellwhite07]

Drinking game: take a shot every time ESAM says ‘speaking of’

[@Lucas-sl6df]

You want us to die?

[@bowsertnt7904]

The explanation for Incin was pretty much right on the money. Based

[@gligurr]

music way too loud over your voice

[@trebmal587]

As a Yoshi main, I wholeheartedly agree with his placement. Borderline top tier but not quite, due to the fact that all of his bad matchups are top tiers that are played A LOT in tournaments. I still think he his viable and might win a major one day (outside of Japan). While his bread and butter is kinda braindead, just as most of his playerbase (myself included), he has a lot of untapped potential and will get better over time, I'm sure of it.

[@polari7658]

Just like a Yoshi main to unironically type out wholeheartedly as 2 words

[@trebmal587]

@@polari7658 English is not my first language, I'm pretty much self taught. That being said, even if it was insulting, I appreciate the correction. I edited my post.

[@azie4779]

@Polari Don't forget your periods at the end of a sentence.

[@AdmiralBobbery123]

can you reupload with quieter music lol

[@KermitTh3Fr0g]

Incineroar is top tier if he wasn’t slowest in the game

[@xanander4693]

So true, but since he’s so slow he’s still low tier 😭

[@DekuDude]

It is a little bit strange when you talk about sephiroth in the way not seeing what others see and how slow he is and showing material of playing against Ned losing to him with the best character out of the game.

[@zacharylafromboise8911]

Fatality, nickc and Sean all use idj combos??

[@marin9412]

I don’t get your point on link at all. Why pick good bomb combos or good reco? It doesn’t make any sense.

[@titanlord2000]

I watched a guy named Bullhall wreck havoc at DreamHack with incineroar. I think he got 5th, and it was super cool to see how far he and his fellow mains have come with their character

[@NoName-hj5hg]

Yeah Bullhall is sick. And I think he got 4th

[@titanlord2000]

@@NoName-hj5hg yeah after he got knocked out i left. The rest of the tournament roster was pretty lame to me

[@NoName-hj5hg]

@@titanlord2000 Bro same! Lol

[@greenan984]

My boy falco is finally getting the recognition he deserves

[@brain_tonic]

ESAM was the only one still saying mid tier. Glad he saw the light. Of course it doesn’t help that pika murders Falco.

[@SkipperWing]

Sidebar, Does anyone know what the Splatoon song is that plays from Inkling to ? I know its a cover, but a quick KZbin search isn't turning anything? Does anyone know what the cover is, and how to find it?

[@vicarious2881]

Yo, fatality uses idj. He labbed the hell out of it too. He’s where I first found out about idj

[@northofmars]

0:22 based

[@abigailmcdowell4248]

the music is a bit too loud compared to your voice in this video

[@ubbychubbs4238]

27:09 I zoned out and when he said terry and then I saw DK on the screen. It took a solid 30 seconds to figure out what was going on

[@jinxeatsdust]

As a sephiroth main, I personally think he's definitely higher than where you put him, however I can respect where you did put him. Solid tier list so far imo, despite how much I don't personally agree with - at the end of the day it's all subjective

[@bigtoblerone8446]

Ned beat his mii brawler and pika at combo Breaker 2022 with Seph 6:51 he shows the clips right here even!

[@castsmeteor3]

On paper and in the wrong hands seph belongs in high. As a main myself I’m excited that he’s getting pushed harder and getting more representation. Tweek was awesome last week with Seph :) we’ll get there. He did the same with Cloud.

[@lashen4129]

As a Ness main with a seph secondary I also think he’s higher, but then again the fact that he neglected to elaborate just how many good matchups ness has in top tier shows that it’s def up for debate. I mean go he’s tweeks secondary and that imo the 2nd best player in the world so I don’t think he thinks he’s as bad as Sean does.

[@cyanthermus5235]

Every time people talk about Bowser they always say "Super Armour" if Bowser had super armour on his normals there would be blood in the streets. It's Heavy Armour like Yoshis double jump.

[@gj4312]

Ayy he's finally acknowledging incin. Now I just have to convince people that being slow is good for making small adjustments to spacing. Especially for incin because he doesn't have a giant hurtbox. Ever thought that your initial dash is too fast but your walk speed is too slow?

[@eternalsolis]

what is the music at 9:42

[@mattb6522]

It is funny that I used to always see Incineroar lumped with the likes of Dr. Mario, Little Mac and Ganondorf on tier lists (even now). Though, yes, he is the slowest character, Alolan Whip and Revenge can be scary tools to pull out early KOs. I am not sure I agree he is high tier necessarily, I just don't agree with everyone dropping him to Bottom Tier due to his lack of speed.

[@Sponsie1000]

l meann, last tier list (from about half a year ago) Esam was also still putting incineroar about the middle of low tier,, it's been pretty recent that his opinion of incineroar shifted :]

[@rubikonium9484]

I swear the bottom tier trio used to be the bottom tier quadruplet which had Incineroar before he was kicked out of the bottom tier club in 13.0.

[@mattb6522]

@@rubikonium9484 You probably are right. I think Incineroar received a few buffs at some point with his recovery. I assume that is around when he was moved out of bottom tier?

[@rubikonium9484]

@@mattb6522 his recovery was buffed but that was LOOOONG before he was moved into bottom tier. His recovery was improved from beyond unusable recovery level, to trash recovery level.

[@mattb6522]

@@rubikonium9484 Got it. Is the only reason Incineroar seems to have jumped up in the tier list is the results he is getting in tournaments? I don't remember really seeing a character who made such a huge tier jump so quickly! I am shocked people are saying he is high tier.

[@GUSplatoon]

Yes, this is what I’ve been waiting for.

[@pancakesbf2704]

For Greninja, I think an honorable mention is PPA | IceKnight. One of the best players in Chicago, and is super cool to see a good Greninja

[@staria3191]

Had me waiting 😩

[@CaiusMiehela]

After the What character is Esam ranting about quiz I gotta doubt anything you say

[@HealTy13]

anyone know the song starting at 14:28?

[@sandycrash8868]

Incineroar mid at best too slow can just get camped out by projectiles down b has too much end lag to be effective by zoners his recovery is easy to edge guard. If it’s was smash 4 I could see it but it’s ultimate speed is a lot more meta heavy in ultimate then smash 4

[@user-ir1th5no9j]

sounds like you just can't use revenge correctly.

[@bowsertnt7904]

I would like to see you camp and edgeguard against a good Incin my guy In theory, it should be easy. But in practice, it’s far harder than it seems because he has access to a lot of tools to beat projectiles, like Darkest Lariat, Revenge, Shield, d-tilt (his legs are intangible during the move) and dodges. His scare factor is so big and because he’s so slow and you can’t get a hit on him, the player will eventually get tired and try to get in which is where Incin shines since he’s really good at whiff punishes. Also, the recovery is exploitable yes, but he has access to so many mix ups that they won’t do the same recovery all the time which it’ll make it harder to edgeguard him.

[@Mufflin]

Nah bro, with revenge starting on frame 3 that thing could come out at any moment and be unreactable.

[@ShinyHunterAsh]

I agree. And the way Rev works projectiles with lingering hit boxes, he cannot Rev it and still takes the damage/knock back. Sephiroth and Hero are especially annoying for this making the MU nails to fight agaisnr

[@sandycrash8868]

@@bowsertnt7904 links throwing boomer rang and arrows and bombs sure your can revenge then but at that point you have to be close I close enough for the fire belt to hit me and second let’s say you get a free revenge over and over again at that point you become pichu stop hitting your self

[@michaelcross7665]

The last 20% of the video I had to check that I didn't accidentally increase the play speed

[@sirtails9750]

Im a sora main and im baffled that sora is TOP TIER, i am definitely excited to hear your reasoning behind his placement

[@morocuda2090]

Sora is cringe asf.

[@rayman9118]

@@morocuda2090 The only thing that's cringe is your lack of intelligence for making such a dumb comment that's completely unrelated to what he's saying.

[@MewTheGamer]

@@morocuda2090 agree

[@isaacsmith6482]

He has like... 1 good ledge play sequence in neutral that everyone already knows how to beat and also some really good combos. Not too much different than Link and Megaman and has roughly equal stats as both so...?

[@francozubiria5362]

@@morocuda2090 Why?

[@StriderZessei]

Hey editor, the bgm is WAY too loud.

[@MerryBlind]

Sephiroth feels like the dev team were really afraid of making him busted, but ended up undertuning him in the process. He's sooo close to be amazing, but then the more you play him the more you realize how many small issues he has and it starts adding up. He would just need a couple of small frame data adjustments and a slight weight increase, but alas the balance patches are over :(

[@JonathanFingers]

he's already at worst a good high tier which doesn't mean he's undertuned.

[@brain_tonic]

Mate what? You are aware characters like Isabelle are in this game and you want Seph buffs!?

[@MerryBlind]

@@brain_tonic Well I'm not saying Isabelle shouldn't also get buffs.

[@bigtoblerone8446]

6:50 Didn't Ned beat both your mii brawler and your pikachu at Combo Breaker 2022? You're showing the footage right there! What are you salty or something? 👀

[@Crash101BLPK]

What's the song called for when he did inkling

[@imjlu]

FireThePyro the true MVP for timestamping everything

[@pbj-5583]

Wait the Splatoon remix in the inkling section is fire what is that how do I find it

[@IcebergSSBU]

ESAM you forgot Mii Brawler! I don't see him in High tier or Mid tier, so I'm confused. Must be a mistake 😁

[@HD-nb7kw]

Nah Mii Brawler is cracked.

[@user-ir1th5no9j]

mii Brawler is underrated

[@IcebergSSBU]

@@HD-nb7kw how cracked are we talkin? Put a number on it! Where would you rank him?🤔

[@IcebergSSBU]

@@user-ir1th5no9j I believe it, I just wanted to troll ESAM lol. I actually don't know if he's top tier or not. I know he's at least high tier

[@GUSplatoon]

Mii brawler will get his own “superior” tier list.

[@roboticoperatingbuddy5443]

i absolutely love the animations with incineroar lowkey

[@josephwagner7277]

27:43 tweek with the no-looker fist bump.

[@ultimateabsol1268]

A tier list where incineroar and min min are the same tier absolutely baffles me

[@toowiggly]

You could move incineroar down a placement and min min up two and they'd be two tiers apart.

[@tomasgb6004]

What is the first song playing in the background

[@ozackerman7665]

vs. wally from omega ruby/alpha sapphire bro

[@Amplifymagic]

Why is there a new tier list? I wonder how much the new sling shot meta has evolved the game.

[@adamquenano8563]

Esam is the biggest Yoshi believer on the planet.

[@wpower7435]

27:56 great choice of music sand ocean is one of my favorite tracks of the game

[@puppetree4119]

Ever notice how MinMin loses to characters that are either fast or small

[@colinboisvert2127]

Ya because those characters can dodge her attacks and then she can get punished really easily. -MinMin main

[@puppetree4119]

@@colinboisvert2127 And fighting Kirby in particular is hell -MinMin secondary

[@xanander4693]

@@puppetree4119 right!? I used to main Min Min and I literally had to put way more effort when fighting Kirby 😭

[@luigiandterrymain6446]

11:06. YES

[@machoke333]

I guess there isnt that big of a difference between bottom of high tier and top of mid tier

[@romeospells2487]

Hmm? Idk. I'd say incineroar and Bowser are pretty significantly better than Wii Fit and down. Like Mewtwo and Lucas there's an argument for (especially because of optimization stuff with Lucas) but Bowser is definitely way better than Pichu down. I think it's a good split for the tiers. Putting Incin in high tier is really a testament to how the Incins have been getting better at controlling the pace of the match. His tools are (pound for pound looking at his moves) are arguably the best in high tier, but he just takes a sizeable skill in disadvantage/neutral to utilize. The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking there is a pretty big gap between the two tiers.

[@Hugo_Prolovski]

Tiers in ultimate dont matter that much because its insanely good balanced

[@orejitastoto]

Anyone that knows the song in the intro? Ty in advance!

[@koldking]

Thank you esam 🙌

[@typhlosion7872]

I'd still say that Chrom's recovery, while worse than Roy, isn't bt a significant amount. Chrom is bottom 10 recoveries, Roy is bottom 20. However, while Chrom is far more consistent, the explosiveness of Roy is overturned so much that he makes the consistency matter less.

[@shinki3337]

Roys recovery is way better due to his air acceleration

[@typhlosion7872]

@@shinki3337 Chrom and Roy have the exact same stats. Roy's recovery is barely better at all and is the one thing truly holding him back from top 5, possibly even top 3

[@ryan_raus]

Does skyjay think the character is higher than where you placed him??

[@animorte9790]

Corrin: "Pin, pin, up air, pin, blah blah, pin, other stuff"

[@lunchmeat9118]

I haven’t kept up with competitive smash in years, I come back and inceneroar is GOOD NOW???

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

Luigi is finally high-tier to Esam!! Luigi mains rise up!!

[@appapp-yd2mu]

This is definitely an esam tier list.

[@rayless]

One of the tier lists of all time

[@Marhathor]

Putting Sephiroth in the bottom half of the roster is a little crazy for a character that's really good when played right. I mean, Ned whiffs aerials and SD's with Blade Dash and he's getting great results. KEN plays him over Sonic, seeming to gain more confidence in Sephiroth than he has in Sonic. Tweek had a definite moment of "Oh, actually, my Sephiroth is doing way better than my Diddy here". Saw a recent tier list based on results, where Sephiroth was 20th. The guy has like 12 losing matchups, at worst, only like 2 of which are -2. He takes work. He takes more work than other characters. But when you put in that work, you will go further than you would with any character in the bottom 50% of the roster. Overrated? Nah, man, with Tweek, ESAM, everyone else suddenly complaining he sucks, he's underrated. Top 30 character, period.

[@vv2955]

Mkleo and Tweek also thinks Seph sucks. He has a lot more than 12 losing matchups ...

[@Marhathor]

@@vv2955 One day, people will learn Sephiroth can't always play the same way vs different characters. They'll learn the right edgeguard options, the right neutral gameplan, and all of a sudden, it becomes much easier to win certain matchups. If you think the playerbase has optimized Sephiroth, you're simply incorrect. I think even the strongest Sephiroth players have much to improve on. These tier lists should reflect how well characters should do when played right. When played right, Sephiroth destroys a lot of characters and loses to very few. Until then, people will think he sucks because he can't spam sword moves vs Roy. It is what it is.

[@zannax351]

@@Marhathor if you think you're beholden to some sagely knowledge that makes sephiroth top tier that somehow every single top player and sephiroth main has missed and has never implemented whatsoever then why don't you play the character in tournament and put your money where your mouth is. Or enlighten me, what exactly is this "optimal gameplan" that everyone has yet to learn? Right now your words read like a textbook example of the dunning Kruger effect.

[@Marhathor]

@@zannax351 Idk man, the whole "you don't have a point because you don't win tournaments" mindset is kind of unfortunate. If you expect me to list the optimal gameplan for every single matchup, every advantage state, neutral, disadvantage, every response to every reactable move, every optimal combo off every move, you're waiting for nothing. Thing is, I've seen Sephiroth players make questionable plays, even at top level. If you look at Ned's gameplay, you know he's a strong player, but you also know he ruins his inputs a lot, sometimes leading to a stock loss. Even with that, he competes with the big boys and gets results on a character people are now saying is utter garbage and I disagree he is. If he had wing 100% of the time, he'd be top 5. Considering when he gets it and how long he gets to keep it, he's about 25th. Base Sephiroth is still better than ESAM is saying the whole character is though. If you want to disagree, you're free to bring up actual arguments, rather than trying to shut people up because you don't like their view, by saying nothing actually informative.

[@vv2955]

@@Marhathor No matter how well you play there are glaring weaknesses you just can't overcome. He's light, large (combo food), lacks OOS options, and poor disadvantage (without OWA). Yes he has range but not as much as Min Min and can't scrap up close like Byleth because no broken nair. OWA is good but made worse by the fact he's soooo light and likely to lose his stock in one lost neutral interaction or stray hit after it activates.

[@zach_sparkle]

Hey that’s me in the Hero section!!!

[@rayandthejets]

As someone who plays link, hes bottom tier when I play him.

[@hbudson1248]

No fucking way Incineroar is up there He's BETTER than people thought he was But not high tier better High mid at best

[@StriderZessei]

Bottom of high, top of mid, what's the difference?

[@hbudson1248]

@@StriderZessei not the very top. Just upper half. If even I still think he's low tier personally

[@unskilledgamer3642]

@@hbudson1248 you seem to underestimate the usefulness of Intimidate. Combined with Fake Out Incineroar can keep switching in and out to preasure his opponents, especially in doubles.

[@hbudson1248]

@@unskilledgamer3642 Lmfao don't remind me

[@mochikinako78]

Cloud rose from mid tier to top tier on Esam’s tier list in 9 months lolll

[@dzamburger]

spargo putting in worrkkk

[@Sae23b1]

Yeah, the people who underrated him now are overrating him putting in top tier... ironic 😅

[@SplashV_]

During the Sephiroth explanation showing gameplay of Esam losing to a Sephiroth is very funny

[@andreazhab]

2:49 wtf is Toad doing in the bottom right

[@ricocarpenter2189]

Corrin section summed up: She's good because of up air, back air, forward air, dragon fang shot, and pin

[@toowiggly]

So most of her moves? Also downtilt lowkey broken

[@ricocarpenter2189]

@@toowiggly Eh, down tilt is a pretty mediocre combo starter. It doesn't have quite enough hit stun. Her nair, fair, and backwards hit of up air do a better job

[@toowiggly]

@@ricocarpenter2189 kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIawnXWiltGgqq8 At 25:00 esam explains why Corrin's downtilt is good.

[@ricocarpenter2189]

@@toowiggly I still think her aeriels do a better job than her down tilt. Maybe in a different kit down tilt would be better but you see most Corrin's rely on fair to start combos and even Mkleo mainly uses nair and reverse hit up air

[@erudo6136]

The video went from ESAM explaining to ESAM ranting.

[@mordestar5777]

So I think saying Sephiroth is the worst character in the second fighters pass is definitely misleading seeing as the entire rest of the pass is borderline or fully top tiers

[@imESAM]

Yeah LOL i know that was on purpose

[@bonni4493]

I think Sephiroth is better than Sora and Kazuya. But yeah the rest of the pass is a bit unbalanced in my opinion.

[@perriwinkleiii5361]

The music and voiceover audio are not balanced right. Music is too loud

[@the1ofus]

Ive been saying the stuff ab incin since day 1. Hes busted with his damage output its insane

[@JMJackMcNally]

the music is WAY too loud for the last third of the video

[@HD-nb7kw]

Incineroar is still under halfway, calm down guys.

[@VocalVex]

8:45 you could have just said he destroys you on wifi. You don't need add that "granted it's wifi" to make it seem like it's less impressive.

[@nesp8207]

The music is way too loud!

[@Jamie_Ashe]

Day one Incinny and day one smash 4 wii fit here. I never let his ground speed hold me back 😈😈

[@wollins7244]

Is this list ordered? If it is I think putting Hero above Sephiroth is really interesting. I know this was filmed before Momocon and Combo Breaker but both tourneys had Sephiroth doing very well and I think proving what a lot of people thought initially about this character. He’s definitely not top tier due to his size and lack of weight but I do feel like he’s a bit better than his placement on here

[@joseph8711]

imo hero is too low in this list and im pretty sure he's better than sephiroth if only due to seph being soooo light.

[@happysquid2604]

The video's great but the music is way too loud.

[@dennisd.4726]

Fatality IDJ combos all the time? Lol also Falcon being better than Terry is a joke

[@exactlyonesasquatch2572]

Agreed, coming from a falcon main.

[@TheFullPackage]

Also agree coming from another Falcon main

[@rayless]

Agreed, coming from someone with no significance whatsoever

[@ImLuna_az]

How do you put Greninja in between Byleth and Kazuya on a tier list? 😭

[@shafir5726]

Esam one a question if you dont mind. Why the heck is sephiroth high tier? He's such a character.

[@zuppa0497]

Didn’t you say Incineroar was overrated and not high tier?

[@sheridan5175]

Whoops

[@zer0cx110]

You know… I’m really surprised Mario is not on this list. Mario , in adv state, can literally control where his opponent goes. That’s just crazy ..

[@magk2524]

im pretty sure he's higher up