How Pokemon Stadium 2 CHEATS

[@ImportedCheese]

Like and Subscribe or else Mantine gets the Zap Cannon!!! 50% of the time

[@rosheafan]

man you got your cheese melted by this game. You got jacked up, peppered and jacked, even. You got molded.

[@ivanpalomo1586]

I know that zap Canon Will Miss so dont worry people

[@CyborgSelZero]

Biggest surprise to me is that the AI actually doesn't input read Wobbuffet. But yeah, I always had the feeling the AI knew the outcome of every action it takes.

[@ImportedCheese]

how merciful of them

[@ezrat4248]

​@@ImportedCheese sussy emoji

[@incognitod8444]

it definitely does. I was using Wobbuffet and over the course of 5 turns against Growlithe it used Flamethrower only twice - on both the occasions that I selected Counter as my move. Every time I selected Mirror Coat, it used Swift. And when I got low on health and started using Destiny Bond, the computer just kept switching pokemon until I had no PP left. It was 100% reading my inputs.

[@CyborgSelZero]

@@incognitod8444 If it's reading Wobbuffet's inputs, then the AI would never get hit by Counter or Mirror Coat. But Cheese landed a couple of hits against opponents who had access to both physical and special moves, so the 50%/50% rule makes more sense there.

[@incognitod8444]

@@CyborgSelZero I just can't believe I guessed wrongly 5 times in a row on a 50/50 lol

[@misirtere9836]

"The AI loves to kill you" is a very menacing sentence... in almost *any* other context.

[@ImportedCheese]

well...they certainly DID kill us

[@ShadowsWrath4]

I find it arousing and a welcome incentive, myself. Finally something that flat-out wants to murder me while it "knows" I wish the same unto it. Makes things a lot simpler and satisfying when I win in the end like I did when I faced it as a child.

[@cecil_cav1810]

@@ShadowsWrath4 Arousing 🤨

[@ShadowsWrath4]

@@cecil_cav1810 Playing ten literal years as a glass cannon with no fear of death has led to me becoming a bit of a Blood Knight. I quite literally get off on fighting. Punch me in the face, I welcome it. As I will welcome you as a friend and sparring partner afterwards.

[@obambagaming1467]

I think the rentals being bad is the worst part. Otherwise, you could make teams to specifically counter difficult battles in a game where everyone knows the outcome of their moves (as long as they hit).

[@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for them to implement but, here we are. With Pokemon home, gen 1 and some gen 2 pokemon that you can catch ON the switch, anddd nothing. One day Gamefreak, please? Or will y- OMG GUYS POKEMON MAMMADINGO JUST RELEASED

[@ImportedCheese]

If I could use my own pokemon every battle would end in 3 turns

[@sussy3778]

@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa It really wouldn't, the Stadium games double as emulators to the old games, this is what the GB tower is for. The only thing they would need to do is add a GSC rom bundled with the game and it would work just fine.

[@EmeralBookwise]

If they were going to put Stadiums 1&2 on NSO, they really should have also put out the original GB/GBC games to go with them for the authentic experiences.

[@sussy3778]

Indeed@@EmeralBookwise

[@anomalocaris9298]

I'm pretty sure I've seen this "reading the RNG ahead of time" behavior even as recently as Sun and Moon's Battle Tree. Was using a Poison Heal Gliscor to stall out a Houndoom that knew Flamethrower and Dark Pulse. Flamethrower was the stronger move so it used Flamethrower *almost* every turn for optimal damage, but sometimes it would (sub-optimally) use Dark Pulse. Whenever it did, Dark Pulse would *always* score a flinch, like it knew ahead of time that it would flinch and thus Dark Pulse was "more optimal" than Flamethrower that turn.

[@ImportedCheese]

Wow, how skilled!

[@cherryb0ng]

For those who don't play Stadium 2 or Gold Silver or Crystal, there is a mechanic specific to generation 2 where you thaw at the very end of a turn (while it's still on the field) and not during the turn like every gen after that. What This means is that if your frozen Pokemon has enough bulk to take an attack you can switch it in later for 10% chance to heal it even though it didn't do anything that turn. This also means that it is the only generation where you have a 1% chance to thaw out on the same turn that you got frozen.

[@ImportedCheese]

I've never thawed out

[@zacharylandrum4789]

It's honestly insane how CRACKED the AI is in this game. What was Nintendo smoking when they were making the game this insanely difficult?

[@ImportedCheese]

Once upon a time they trusted the player

[@JellyFilledEmpanada]

They were smoking "we want to make this p2w"

[@michel4152]

During that time games were for smart people

[@enjoyerofcake2123]

They wanted to encourage you to bring Pokemon in. The rentals were really bad on purpose to incentivize using your own. The fact it never appeared on the Wii channel was supposedly because of this issue. The fact it appears now on switch with the limitation of rentals only is kinda a case of "we don't care about you actually playing this game" and "you just wanted the minigames anyways right?"

[@gamagama69]

@@enjoyerofcake2123 i mean hopefully they come at some point but like i wish i understand their stategy of slowly releases nso games. i dont play games on nso but i still feel for yall

[@ogjalena]

“Just defeat the opponent before it can attack” Wow, thanks Earl!

[@ImportedCheese]

Hey, he knows what wins! In Earl's defense, he is talking about enemy Reversal strategies lol

[@ogjalena]

@@ImportedCheese To be fair also, it’s a good strategy overall!

[@M3rtyville]

if the AI could read inputs, speedrunners would never play this game. Love the editing as always.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you for your support!

[@EmeralBookwise]

Maybe, but input reading would also make the AI even more predictable. You'd just need to set up situations where that input reading backfires.

[@LuisSilva-yc5fz]

yea but trying to set this situation up with the very limited rental movesets would be a challenge in itself@@EmeralBookwise

[@CyborgSelZero]

@@EmeralBookwise *MK2 Flashbacks*

[@sasorioho]

Seeing the AI of a 20 years old game being scarier than todays pokemon AI is kinda funny and sad at the same time

[@ImportedCheese]

I don't know how good modern AI is because the AI never gets a turn because I always knock them out before they act

[@mrbubbles6468]

It’s about the same. You can steamroll if you play as the game was intended and designed. And as we see from current games, if players have to pick random Pokemon the difficulty goes way up

[@ktvx.94]

God damn it now I get why Challenge Cup R2 was so miserable! It took SO many tries to beat Great Ball and I'm _still_ stuck at Master Ball.

[@ImportedCheese]

I actually found Challenge Cup EASIER because at least you're not weighed down by god awful rentals

[@Thunder103093]

@@ImportedCheese oh they are trash teams they give you

[@sarcasm-aplenty]

It's so dumb that you can't use Home to transfer in pokemon to the stadium games

[@ImportedCheese]

I'm sure transfer support is right around the corner

[@devilrider39000000]

@@ImportedCheese Transfer support is the only way I'll ever play the stadium games again. So I guess I'm never getting NSO.

[@TheSolitaryEye]

It's a chess game, but you roll dice to determine whether a piece gets taken or dies in the attempt, and the computer knows the result of dice rolls without having to select them, while you are just a dude at the table. Also your pieces are Crumpled Up Straw Wrapper, Years-Old Dry Piece of Chewed Gum, Button That Fell Off the Ref's Jacket, and Your Angry Gamer Tears, none of which have actual rules as pieces and consequently you lose before you even decide your first move.

[@ImportedCheese]

This game sounds....unfair

[@piratebear3126]

If I’m remembering right GSC actually uses a similar system. I can’t remember exactly all it considers, but I know it does one damage roll to pick a move then another when the turn plays out. This means it’ll pick Quick Attack to finish off your faster Pokemon, only to leave you with a sliver on a lower damage roll. Surprisingly advanced and human-like compared to how exploitable RBY’s AI was.

[@starmangalaxy2001]

I think the biggest difference though is I don't think the ai's simulated damage rolls are the same as the actual damage rolls like with Stadium 2s AI.

[@ImportedCheese]

I dunno if Gen 1's AI can be called "I" at all

[@tezcanaslan2877]

@@ImportedCheeseThey can be at best called algorithms.The “advanced” AI looks at your mon’s type,picks a move that’s super-effective against it and goes back to the first step,occasionally using potions

[@jtalkalot19]

This was a very educational video. Good going on why you should really import your teams over from GSC. Good thing my OFFICIAL NINTENDO SWITCH CONSOLE can connect with my OFFICIAL NINTENDO 3DS SYSTEM and allow me to transfer over my Pokém- oh. Now that I think about it wasn’t Crystal the game where the battle tower built teams to counter yours, almost as if it was cheating?

[@ImportedCheese]

Oh I think the battle tower/frontier do legit cheat

[@ShadowFox64]

I remember when Black and White were datamined and we found out once you advance far enough into the subway fights opposing Pokemon would have 255 EVs in all their stats. Absolutely wild.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

@@ShadowFox64 I see they didn't truly do away with Gen I/II stat EXP after all.

[@iss2075]

I've played this game for 20 years and the evidence to me suggests that they do NOT know secondary effect success or damage roll outcomes in advance. The AI is clearly aware of secondary effects of moves and it knows the max rolls for everything, but it doesn't know the outcomes. The clip you show of the Poliwhirl using its weaker Body Slam to get paralysis before switching to its stronger move. I've seen countless times the AI use Body Slam or Dragonbreath or Zap Cannon to fish for paralysis and take 3-4 times to succeed before switching to their stronger move. And that's the best play a lot of the time. The same in Stadium 1. Use Chansey against an AI Starmie with Surf and Psychic. It goes for Psychic first, fishes for a special drop, and then switches to its stronger move Surf after succeeding. It will spam Psychic multiple times until the Special drop happens. Same if you're against a Jynx with Psychic and Ice Beam and many others. Competitive players do the same in Gen I. They will often use Body Slam and Psychic (or even Ice Beam) to fish for their secondary effects even if they have a stronger move. Same with Scald in more modern generations. It's a shame that the one Pokemon game where they actually put a lot of effort into the AI is so shocking to people that it's suspected of just cheating. All you need to do is write a line of code something like "If strongest move is a 5HKO or more and opponent is not statused, use move with 30% paralysis chance until enemy is paralysed". It's normal AI behaviour in this game. Maybe you've been unlucky so far and they've always succeeded 1st try at the secondary effect so far (or you knocked them out before they succeeded so you didn't even know that they had a stronger move). But one day you will see them fail multiple times, then succeed on their 4th try, and switch to Earthquake or whatever and you'll be like "Oh, why didn't they use Earthquake earlier?" It's because the AI is programmed to try to paralyse you. The example you show of Omastar vs. frozen Venusaur. The thaw chance is very low, I would've probably gone Ancientpower in that situation too. Freezing is fairly rare, so even after 20 years I'm not 100% sure if the AI behaves differently when you're frozen, but considering the AI reacts differently when you reveal Counter/Mirror Coat (tries to use the opposite category move), when you are boosting evasion (eventually favours Swift, Faint Attack, Vital Throw, Toxic), when you are poisoned (favours Protect, Dig, etc.), when you use Destiny Bond (tries not to attack you, sometimes just switches), when your speed is lowered (favours flinching moves), when you boost your stats (favours Psych Up), when Perish Song is up (usually switches out at some point), etc. I would expect that they programmed in different AI behaviour when you're frozen too, at the very least to not use Fire-type moves! And as for damage rolls, I am certain the AI doesn't know damage roll outcomes in advance. I admit that they clearly do know the max damage a move can do. When you're on very low health, the AI usually goes for a weaker, more accurate, higher PP move to knock you out if it has one. Which again is a sensible play normally. But often they get a low roll and you survive with a few HP. This suggests to me that the AI KNEW the weaker move COULD knock you out based on the max roll that it knows, but it didn't know that it would low roll before choosing it. So I don't think it reads the damage rolls either. It's something I've seen happen a lot, way too much in fact. I sometimes have to bank on it to win in some fights, which I wouldn't be able to do if the AI knew the damage roll outcome in advance all the time. Also, another thing to add is that there's like 60 different enemy AIs in this game! So two different opponents might react quite differently in the same situation.

[@ImportedCheese]

Well I've played this game for about 20 hours so I'm clearly right! Even if you're right I'll never admit it!!

[@lacuevadelosrpg4070]

AI does a roll of all the moves and calculate the possible income. It knows if any move can kill that pokemon and use it. It can happen that AI roll is high enough for a 1 hit k.o but the real dice let you survive with low HP

[@lacuevadelosrpg4070]

In some pokemon games (stadium probably too) there is a specific AI command that read your imput and act according to that. That's why AI can use a move that it's super efective to the pokemon you just switch. The chance of reading your imput is not 100%, in order to let you do some "safe" switch ins

[@ElBrillante4]

Nah

[@bossrosslp]

A: Stadiun 2 is the best Pokemon Game B: Stadium 2 cheats a lot. Therefore C: The more a Pokemon game cheats, the better it is.

[@ImportedCheese]

Interesting...more research is required

[@antshield]

Dude, I love your editing style. Your videos are always hilarious.

[@dumbpro555]

Agreed! Cheese makes very great videos! Number 1 most underrated KZbinr ever.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you for watching! Mantine lives another day...

[@flygtamer32]

nice vid. wasn't expecting this. was really good. yeah the bs during the stream of this was crazy against you, but was so fun! can't wait for the next streams!

[@ImportedCheese]

BONUS video only because I was feeling inspired! ...and salty

[@elfin2865]

7:11 This makes perfect sense but now I’m even more confused by this one Stadium 2 scenario I had awhile back. The last two Pokémon were my Jolteon versus the AI’s Starmie, with both at single-digit HP. Starmie was faster and had a 100% accuracy attack it had already used once, so I figured the battle was lost, but then it used Confuse Ray instead of just going for the easy knockout, which allowed Jolteon to knock it out instead. Do some particular trainers prioritize certain moves even above knocking out an opponent? Was it a programming error, somehow? A completely uncharacteristic show of mercy..?

[@ImportedCheese]

depends on the trainer class you were facing

[@pages4573]

While it doesn't outright read inputs it probably knows the perfect outcome of all interactions with the RNG. It happens in the mainline games. Sometimes the AI will suddenly use a weaker move with better accuracy because it knows its stronger move will miss.

[@ImportedCheese]

can we get Stadium 2 AI in modern games pls

[@michaelcalvin42]

It would be very interesting to see a disassembly of the actual code used in the game for the various different opponent AIs. Unfortunately, I'm not super familiar with the N64 hardware, so I'm not the one for that job.

[@ImportedCheese]

It would make this video more accurate

[@dany_fg]

stadium 2 trainers: "the future is already set, you cannot change it!" player: "I will change it! with the power of friendship!"

[@ImportedCheese]

and maybe a little savestate science

[@insectduel]

Imagine a trainer in stadium faces Maximilian Pegasus with the millennium eye. Boy, he knows the moveset you pick and the RNG outcome.

[@ImportedCheese]

The heart of the RNG

[@Lita3O2]

that evangelion and omastar image at 5:50 is a masterpiece.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you! I spent like...20 minutes on it

[@justicetaylor3050]

I actually remember a game of Pokémon Stadium where whenever we tried to swap Pokémon to a more advantageous match up, the CPU would just change to exactly what we didn’t want it to change to. Idk if you could even land an advantageous match up in the 1st in line pokemon you send out at the start. It makes me so thankful that mainline pokemon games rarely allow the npc to swap. It just seems silly that they read your mind and swap a step ahead of you indefinitely.

[@ImportedCheese]

I wish mainline swapped more

[@pages4573]

Also, we need a Round 2 video where you use you 'completely legit team from a Nintendo console.' to play on your 'complete legit N64. I know your videos inspired me to do just that with my Crystal Clear save file, and having a blast making teams and going through the challenges. It also reminds me of why I'm over things like the battle tower ect. Having a properly crafted challenges filled with set opponents is always more fun than partially randomly generated teams.

[@ImportedCheese]

Maybe someday

[@sofiacalado8836]

Venusaur after getting frozen: Unfortunate does not begin to describe-

[@ImportedCheese]

That's the start of the Highlight video!

[@Big_Human]

As someone who plays fighting games at an above casual level The AI does cheat Gets 50/50s right and crushes all your moves. Shits fraudulent

[@ImportedCheese]

[@Skawo]

What the heck is a Transfer Pak?! - Nintendo, probably

[@ImportedCheese]

It's not even spelled right! Probably not important!

[@dumbpro555]

Honestly I feel like I should be less suprised that the A.I. cheats. Still a very interesting video!

[@ImportedCheese]

At least they cheat...less than they could?

[@Mandiness]

I get to wake up to a rare fully edited video? How convenient!

[@ImportedCheese]

Short video, LAZY youtuber!

[@podyayourt]

Hey Imported Cheese, I discovered your channel with this video, and I love what you do, I'm going through your VOD now and I hope you'll continue with the good old pokemon content (I really like pre-gen 3, I'm an old man). Love from France !

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you! I recommend my Green Glitches series! kzbin.info/aero/PLgMsuDQt6kvETrm06l4HqFXc0qAXtX_2N

[@BlackKoiRecords]

Glad you covered this. Blackbelt Nick in the gym leader tower only uses ohko moves and hits 90% of the time lol

[@ImportedCheese]

Well that's his whole strat lol

[@almightyk11]

This does make me wonder how much competitive play would change if the game informed you whether secondary effects would apply prior to picking your move

[@ImportedCheese]

Togekiss and Jirachi stonks rising

[@alberthrenzocuaylamarca4195]

They have Gen 1 and Gen 2 on VC, how da heck you still can't transfer your Pkmn from those gens to Stadium 1 and 2.

[@ImportedCheese]

are they on VC?! I only use my nintendo PC...

[@professorannefaire7233]

Oh God please cheese senpai I'm liking and subscribing right now please don't hurt my darling Mantine

[@ImportedCheese]

TOO LATE, I've already fired the Zap Cannon!! (Missed though )

[@JFarenci]

Your best video this year, the title is on point too, this video is going to do very well.

[@ImportedCheese]

ENGINEERED to be viewed!!

[@War7123]

Nintendo has to Nintendo not add in the most basic functionality to a classic game that is pivotal to its design. Thanks for the great video and giving me insight to how this game works under the hood.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thanks for watching! And uh...don't uh...don't fact check me

[@sarasaland4709]

Brock knew that AHHHNIX wasn’t going to do anything. So it needed a real star to carry him.

[@ImportedCheese]

[@pithecusprime8645]

I literally had to hack my Pokémon stats and I was still getting stonewalled in this game. (I play via N64 with Pokémon from my Silver Cartridge). I did eventually manage to beat the johto and Kano league by using Typhlosion, Taurus, and Lugia (safeguard was a huge help).

[@ImportedCheese]

Full calorie stat XP snorlax is good!

[@matttypes2695]

Endless switching because the AI’s Pokémon is at a disadvantage and out speeding your Pokémon even though the AI’s Pokémon is clearly slower.

[@ImportedCheese]

AI switches out of Destiny Bond...

[@Zthewise]

Dokapon Kingdom seems to do the same thing. They won't do anything unless they know they will succeed. Because of course you can put a boss to sleep with and field magic, immediately roll its space, go first and strike it. Or the time one bought a key, then immediately headed to an unmarked chest.

[@ImportedCheese]

I must research this...Dokapon

[@canaldecasta]

Future Sight allowed me to see the thumbnail update

[@ImportedCheese]

It may or may not change again

[@canaldecasta]

This is becoming Doom Desire at this point@@ImportedCheese

[@LuwiigiMaster]

so this must be the evolved version of gen 1's AI picking an attack the instant its turn is up instead of at the beginning of the round.

[@ImportedCheese]

I think that part of Gen 1 was MORE unfair, but the rest of their plan is such spaghetti that Gen 2 is an overall buff

[@LuwiigiMaster]

@@ImportedCheese imagine if cpu wobbuffet was able to always pick the correct counter move, that's how the Gen 1 AI would work if it didn't pick moves purely on type match up

[@a_cup_of_joe540]

Npc used future sight! (Bad move btw)

[@ImportedCheese]

People tell me it's good, but only in the future! As in...not gen 2

[@ttmfndng201]

I don't understand exactly. Does the AI know for example that it's going to crit before selecting a move? or is it just calculating the statistically best move

[@ImportedCheese]

It knows if it will crit or get secondary effects

[@richardqustmrk]

Cheese's new profile picture is the essense of convenience

[@ImportedCheese]

I've had enough of inconvenience

[@Kyouma.]

I only have one question: Why are the rentals so bad?

[@ImportedCheese]

To "encourage" you to buy the base games and play with your own team

[@windwaker0rules]

There is one way to make sure that the battles don't last long even with rentals, selfdestruct and explosion.

[@ImportedCheese]

And yet your pfp promotes filthy stall strats

[@windwaker0rules]

@@ImportedCheese in gen 2? Umbreon could use mean look + baton pass to break walls.

[@Azumarito]

I can't believe the video ended, I wanted more from it, it's amazing

[@ImportedCheese]

I have lots of other videos! Welcome to the channel!

[@Deltaaaaaaaaa]

Every time I look away from the top right corner and then look again, I think “holy crap, that’s Sam Bradford!”

[@pelipperd00d31]

Yes! I thought so too And always thought of making a VS bot that could do something like that in Pokémon battles It would ramp up difficulty in games pretty well (but it would also mean that the inputs would have to be calculated first and I'm not sure how they do it)

[@ImportedCheese]

at least humans can still win!! ...with imports

[@OTHERMRBABCOCK]

Some things to note: -The AI does read inputs, just not all the time. It’s more likely to do them in Ultra Ball and Master Ball cups and during R-2 all together. However, it’s only less likely at the lower end cups, but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen. -It is possible for the AI to know if it will crit, get status effects, and/or get high damage roll but again it’s not all the time and is more likely to happen in later cups. -The AI can and will input read switch ins and wake ups a bit more often than anything else. -The AI and player ate viewed as totally different by the game therefore the AI’s luck is also noticeably better than yours most of the time. In general non-100% moves are about 10-20% more accurate for the AI including OHKO moves, which oddly for the AI max out at 50% upon speed drop or speed raised of user. This appears to be an intentional choice. -The AI’s evasion is better than yours again raising their evasion about 10-20% better than yours. This applies to status effects as well. You’re also about 10% more likely to be paralyzed fully or attack yourself in confusion when the AI does it to you, but this is not applied in reverse. -Pokémon Coliseum fixed these issues with the game realizing each player was essentially equal and not openly favoring the AI

[@ImportedCheese]

Interesting... more research is required

[@KamikaziiKidd]

I'll never understand why they didn't allow some sort of transfer to these games. I mean, if they don't plan on bringing the Gen 1 and 2 VC games to Switch, at the very least they could put all the ROMS for the games within the game itself and give some use to the GB Towers. I wouldn't mind having to replay the games through PS/2 to have my own custom teams.

[@ImportedCheese]

I'm assuming it has to do with some scheme about selling us RBY and GSC somehow

[@KamikaziiKidd]

@@ImportedCheese Yeah well, they need to hurry up already. I want to do online battles with my friends that aren't using movesets that everyone knows.

[@alecrutz956]

okay I just started playing this game again recently and compared to stadium 1 whoever the hell designed the rentals to be fragile as hell while hitting the opponents like wet toilet paper, AND had the AI basically have BS behavior, that person clearly doesn't fear god. This feels different from stadium 1, this doesn't feel like difficulty, this feels like a slot machine that mocks you at every chance it can get. Seriously WHY ARE THE RENTALS SO WEAK, it feels like every hit you land is like throwing a pebble at godzilla

[@ImportedCheese]

The rentals are weak because importing good pokemon costs money

[@illustrious-jaco]

i just got stadium 2 with the transfer pack and gold, i'm tryna get through it with a single team if possible

[@ImportedCheese]

Why not crystal?!

[@illustrious-jaco]

@@ImportedCheese lmaoo i've had the copy of gold since i was a kid, got the battery replaced recently! never hooked it up to stadium back in the day, i'll probably get crystal eventually. it'd probably be easier to get some pokemon that way

[@DBSMoonMaster]

Are you sure they know damage rolls? I survived with 3 hp one time because they AI used strength instead of surf (I was already at low hp and surf would have killed me easily)

[@ImportedCheese]

Are you sure?! Tons of filthy m*xed attackers in this game

[@DBSMoonMaster]

@@ImportedCheese yea it happened to me recently. I forget the exact pokemon/moves involved, but I know it could’ve knocked me out if it kept using it’s stab move. Maybe the code that tells the AI to use a different move when it thinks you will die anyways doesnt consider the roll range?

[@FrinniferFran]

It’s absolutely criminal that they either can’t or WON’T implement Compatibility with NSO GB.

[@ImportedCheese]

I'd say it's a "won't" but it is Gamefreak so.....maybe it's a "can't"

[@weiixia201]

I wonder if it's really the right word to call the AI "AI", like if it's just a list of "if" statements, can it be called an AI?

[@ImportedCheese]

Are WE just AIs?!

[@EmotionalSupportJolteon]

Great video as always cheese. Also love the new pfp. You've been qwilpilled

[@ImportedCheese]

I CREATED the qwilpill!

[@JanxZ]

I guess you could say you're pretty RUBBED OUT by the AI.

[@ImportedCheese]

mostly fairly rubbed

[@wanderlustwarrior]

Yunaka as a Pikachu is probably making someone out there act unwise.

[@ImportedCheese]

I created her myself!

[@deltaflamestorm7400]

3:10 my eyes burn

[@ImportedCheese]

Made her just for you

[@Santiagomgb]

Holy hell, I though the FBI pounding at the door was in my house, I almost fainted. I'm never watching your videos with headphones again

[@ImportedCheese]

Probably would have made more sense to have the FBI quieter than me...

[@camharkness]

The ai doesnt cheat, they just have really good gaming chairs.

[@ImportedCheese]

Smart investment!

[@Jason-bd5iq]

Yeah, having decent Pokémon’s who were given vitamins at early levels before training definitely helps. More of a slog for Gen 2 to duplicate vitamins and TM’s but stadium was not difficult with good move sets. Even dark types don’t really pose a threat to mewtwo with a fighting type move

[@ImportedCheese]

No real need for vitamins, stat XP builds up super fast, and you don't need to worry about getting the "wrong" stats since you can max everything anyway, how convenient!

[@incognitod8444]

So tonight Pinsir tried to use Guillotine on me 4 times. On 3 occasions it hit. (Thankfully one time i used Endure). This is a 30% accuracy move. Meanwhile if you try to hit the CPU with a move like Thunder, don't even bother. I honestly can't believe that this RNG doesn't cheat

[@ImportedCheese]

That's not THAT unlikely

[@incognitod8444]

@@ImportedCheese i can't comment since i don't understand probability mathematics :P

[@MazterP28]

Is there a code somewhere online for Pokémon Stadium 2

[@hyun-shik7327]

So this game used up all Pokémon difficulty, leaving none for the future.

[@ImportedCheese]

uh Gen 5 elite 4 marshall was kinda tough, but that's mostly because gen 5 fighting was ridiculous

[@incognitod8444]

Sorry to keep asking questions on here but something weird just happened to me... Poké Cup, Master Ball, Battle 3 (Firebreather Cliff)... For some reason my Raikou is slower than his Marowak so I always get KO'd by Earthquake unless I switch out, but later in the same battle his Marowak was slower than my Ursaring and my Donphan (who both have a lower speed stat than Raikou). If it happens again, I'll try to record it. Really weird. And no status moves had been done on Raikou. I thought maybe Marowak had quick claw but according to Serebii it has Soft Sand.

[@luizbezerra4373]

Felt so great to bring my own pokemon from my legit non-pc-rom pokemon crystal to my legit nintendo approved software to beat this game with actual good moves and held items :')

[@ImportedCheese]

hey, nice to see you again! Yes, I too have an official Nintendo PC!

[@patrickburton1401]

Getting through the Master Ball Cup with just rental mons is def a harder task than in Stadium 1. Still haven’t gotten it yet. Games rigged.

[@ImportedCheese]

Rental guide later this week

[@cameronpatterson5751]

this is so damn true man! the poke cup where they give you random pokemon... is killing me!!!! on master ball right now.... but im on my n64 so the other runs are to bad since i can use my silver and gold, as well as my red and blue pokemon.. but man that random pokemon one..... i hate it!

[@ImportedCheese]

For my run challenge cup was actually the easiest because it's the only place you're not disadvantaged by garbage rentals

[@NathanCotrill]

Man. I just want Nintendo to release gens 1-3 on VC for the switch. Would be crazy if they'd release colosseum and XD on it, but Nintendo seems to hate those games since they had little control over their creation. It'd be so cool for them to add a way in-game to trade/transfer from the gen2 vc to gen 3 or at the very least have a poké transport tool to move box 1 from gen2 to box 1 in gen 3 or something.

[@ImportedCheese]

I hate Colosseum, too! I never want to see it again!

[@cybershroom9240]

I love the stadium games but MANNN its actually eye opening, if you use the old trainer editing tool a dude made years ago. You can set the AI to max/Round 2 mode, spam it with 4 sand attacks, and it will majority hit thunder always.

[@CaptainFalcon333]

TLDR AI in Stadium 2 read the code like it's an open book, in order to account for every possible move... for better or worse.

[@ImportedCheese]

Such skill

[@lemguins7031]

I remember being stuck on the level 58 porygon that would always status and crit.

[@ImportedCheese]

[@KiraSlith]

8:03 You mean Battle Revolution wasn't the first time they tanked the Stadium Battler subgenre with horrendous rentals in order to force players to buy both the handheld title and the console title? :BandicootWoah:

[@ImportedCheese]

At least Stadium 2 has actual content!

[@flbreglass]

Congrats on 30k!!!!!

[@ImportedCheese]

Thanks!

[@viola8422]

I did this with the TCG game on GBC when i was a teen. Saved stated for the best turn

[@ImportedCheese]

but the tcg games are totally different!!

[@viola8422]

@@ImportedCheese didn't stop me from cheating the Ai lol

[@Dukstless]

Wait, in Round 2 the item chances are doubled? Huh.

[@ImportedCheese]

So I've heard

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

The AI does NOT know the outcomes of effects. If the AI uses a move with a secondary effect over a more damaging move, it is because the AI knows your team and predicts a switch. For example, in Sabrina R1, there is a speedrun spot where we have Voltorb Explode on Mr Mime and send out Haunter to finish it off with Kadabra in back. Shadow Ball will kill Mr Mime, but the Mime has a Focus Band, which means certain death for Haunter, right? Nope! Sabrina's AI sees your Kadabra in back and has her Mr Mime use Ice Punch instead of Psychic. thinking that there is no way you would keep Haunter in against a pokemon with Psychic, and the Ice Punch has the same 10% freeze chance that one would expect it to have.

[@ImportedCheese]

nooooooo you can't undercut my arguments

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

@@ImportedCheese Trust me, I used to think it was rigged too, but the AI just does a lot of really weird crap lol. My favorite is Blue R1, if you have a Chinchou out vs his Gyarados, the AI sees Chinchou and thinks "oh no, an electric type" and switches to Rhydon, even if you lock in Surf as your move.

[@Kimihro]

Currently on my gym playthrough on stream and good lord is the elite four just unfair on rentals Pokémon that are slower outspeed you, Koga doesn’t use any other move but double team so you have to pack a Haze, and of course the rental move sets are completely unbalanced

[@ImportedCheese]

Can I have some stat XP please...

[@KainaX122]

I’m glad they brought these games back from the ashes, but DAMN are they not as fun with just rental Pokémon. I wish they could’ve found a way to make it so you could import from the classic games

[@ImportedCheese]

Only on your official Nintendo PC!

[@coraline2770]

That buff togepi is going in my pokemon dnd campaign

[@ImportedCheese]

it hung on with focus band

[@coraline2770]

@@ImportedCheese the whole party shaking and crying as this buff Togepi does another metronome with 1 hp gets the light that burns the sky

[@schubi6904]

To be honest. Your Content is the best. Love it. I watched this Video two timee, because i cant stop laughing. 😂😂 Thanks mate. I will see you in Pokemon Stadium 3. ;)

[@ImportedCheese]

Yeah man....see you in Pokemon Stadium 3....

[@paytonlrpmr8953]

The anicent technique Future sight is strong here

[@ImportedCheese]

seen

[@censoredterminalautism4073]

Oh, didn't see this one before I commented on the previous one. Seems like what I heard matches what you heard. Imagine if they made another Stadium (they never will) with all of the additional moves and abilities that came later, but kept this RNG and AI. It would be absolutely insane. Really, just Bright Powder would be bad enough. Ruined plenty of Battle Frontier runs for me, and the AI there doesn't even cheat as far as I know.

[@ImportedCheese]

New video!

[@otterbeans]

Idk why they put this game on the NSO service at all, the only cup I was able to totally clear was the challenge cup because it's built for rentals. I got to the elite four in the gym leader tower too, but can't beat them. Also, the emulation is so laggy that several of the mini games are nearly impossible too.

[@ImportedCheese]

Round 1 is at least possible...my rental guide should be done this week! You can already see the guide for Stadium 1! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2jMgaaFh9l1ZpY

[@otterbeans]

@@ImportedCheeseI've been able to get farther in 1 because I know how to exploit all the gen one jank lol. I also noticed that that ai makes dumb decisions sometimes, while the ai in 2 does not. Will's Clefairy and Bruno's Blastoise will be my end

[@toastadasd8578]

Wait hold the phone, did you just say that R2 has double item proc chance???

[@ImportedCheese]

As far as I know

[@Kali_Krause]

I wonder if you can manipulate the RNG against the AI so it works against them?

[@ImportedCheese]

It's easy if you savestate!!

[@thegeneral19]

I cant believe I still have my old gameboy saved teams on my n64 game

[@ImportedCheese]

You could play the TRUE version!

[@makerviewr1cn356]

Stadium 2 cheats with rng; how inconvenient.

[@ImportedCheese]

Inconvenient for us....convenient for them!

[@LuisSilva-yc5fz]

Since the Wii virtual console i've been waiting for a way they'd allow integration between Stadium and the GBC games, emulating the transfer pak Not only did it take them a decade and a half just to re-release stadium, but not making the transfer pak emulation that goddamn windows emulators have been doing since the early 2000s is egregious

[@ImportedCheese]

I...think you'll be waiting for a while

[@OmegaTyrant]

Damn, all this time I defended the AI against people whining it cheats and it turns out it does cheat a bit. Well at least I was right about the RNG not being rigged (except for items in round 2...) Also does this apply to Stadium 1 too?

[@ImportedCheese]

I dunno about stadium 1... To be honest, even this video might be a lie!!!

[@OmegaTyrant]

@@ImportedCheese Would you really do that, go on the internet and spread lies?

[@alansahbegovic]

Pikachu Yunaka wasn't something I was expecting to see in a Pokemon Stadium 2 video.

[@ImportedCheese]

I created her months ago!

[@WilfredCthulu]

Oohhhh doohhh! In all the decades I've never beaten any cup in this or the first game and I've always blamed the almost so bad it feels deliberate rental Pokemon. Hearing this just infuriates me even more! Rip cheems

[@ImportedCheese]

Watch my Rental guide, then you'll win for sure!! ...Just gotta finish the rental guide first

[@WilfredCthulu]

@@ImportedCheese I'm considering it.

[@Blastosie_Offical]

A new pfp? How convenient!

[@ImportedCheese]

[@sooooooooDark]

try fighting the steel gym (i think even on first try) she literally predicts everything, its a bit ridiculous, i still remember it xD

[@ImportedCheese]

At least her team is really bad!