When Historic Defense Meets An Offensive GOAT

[@BlackPinkLoverBoy93]

Jokic is so efficient he redefines the meaning of efficiency 😂

[@tropickman]

He's been the most efficient, most impactful, most valuable & most consistent player in NBA for the last FOUR seasons!

[@arx5638]

When you open the dictionary at the word efficiensy and it's just a picture of Jokic

[@berryesseen]

This game was special because Jokic showed all of his offensive arsenal. Post moves, mid range, hook shots, 3 pointers, spin moves. He did everything except dunks. And he still made 7 assists and a bunch of hockey assists. Minnesota’s defensive brilliance is completely negated by Jokic’s excellent offense. They didn’t even make defensive mistakes. Jokic was simply too good.

[@phillipg1331]

The Nuggets gameplan and scheme has been developed and pretty much consistent over a decade. It's passing off now.

[@aquamarine56]

Revealing Jokic's play?

[@dragicaandrejevic2060]

Elite scorer Denver nuggets MPJ - earned his biggest contract, when the Denver Nuggets are struggling MPJ has a good three-point shooting percentage of 20 percent. It is not true that MPJ is the worst wing player in the NBA. Maybe MPJ is good in betting shops. The coach must not put MPJ on the bench even when he shoots for 3, a disastrous 20 percent

[@phillipg1331]

@@dragicaandrejevic2060 MPJ was leading the league at 50% on spot up threes. He's an underrated playmaker as well. I actually would like to see him build more confidence in being able to lead a bench unit.

[@MP-mn6we]

Jokic is the best offensive player I ever seen. I started watching NBA in 1980. Truly unstoppable mainly because of his IQ and passing ability. It was like a playoff game. Wolves played hard and just ran out of steam by 4th, prolly because several guys spent too much energy guarding Jokic

[@kennn30]

Jamal and Jokic are the best offensive duo I've seen, they really uplift each other's game to another level.

[@dmitrychirkov4206]

I dare to assume, it's because Denver's bench is awesome. These guys are hungry af and enter the court to make a statement. Honestly, I love Gordon-Joker dynamic, but Nuggets need Watson as a starter

[@kennn30]

@@dmitrychirkov4206 Watson at starter??? Why would they change their championship starting lineup for a player who has basically zero playoff experience

[@phillipg1331]

He is what Arvydas Sabonis was during his heyday.

[@dmitrychirkov4206]

@@kennn30 because he's just better at everything and has an urge to prove even more. He barely appears at the court and already challenges top defenders stats. But he's also has a crazy athletism for an offense. If you'd sleep on his talent, you might lose a valuable asset as well as important points in important games

[@flipperwhale7276]

This really highlights how versatile Jokic is and why bad games are so uncommon for him. He and the Nuggets’ ability to adjust on the fly make them so hard to even try to defend

[@unfixablegop]

"A little late game stat padding" LOL

[@Idk-R6]

Jokic mighta sealed the MVP with this one

[@HoopVenue]

If betting odds are any indicator, it's all but confirmed.

[@bnsz8704]

There really is no argument against him if Denver the one seed

[@Idk-R6]

@kahilfigueroa6143 nah its been a 2-3 man race for a min but hes really locked it up these last few games

[@JayyTheManAtl]

It’s luka buddy

[@Idk-R6]

@@JayyTheManAtl okay buddy we'll see

[@WestCoastCheeseHead]

This was one of the most fun games of the year. Jokic took the meaning of “take what the defense gives you” to another level

[@PhilDavisplus]

To me, Joker is changing the game. Just as Jordon, Kobe, and a slew of other greats did. We are in a new era created by Joker, and he's making the NBA play ball how it was meant to be played.

[@jw-nz2vx]

Kobe didn't change anything, he was just a way less efficient Jordan knockoff with a successful marketing team.

[@michaelbuto305]

​@@jw-nz2vx True, his tragic death kind of Hype him more. But if we being frank, he clearly a better version of Wesbrook or Lesser Jordan. He still great, but not game changer. I believe he become champions when he let go his ball hog too. Iverson/Steve Nash probably a better Game Changer than Kobe ever is.

[@hristijandimitrovski8664]

​@@michaelbuto305you don't know what are you talking about 😂😂😂😂 literally I know a bunch of people who watched Kobe for their whole life and he was their favourite player and the reason why they play basketball way before he actually died. His death didn't change anything at all😂😂😂literally anything, there are still many people who think he isn't in top 10, he is this, he is that, I mean... Haters are all over the world. And you both are just few of those.

[@hristijandimitrovski8664]

​@@jw-nz2vxKobe changed a loot of things😂😂😂Jordan is my GOAT, he is the greatest player at that shooting guard possition, but... There as much as he was copy of Jordan, there are a lot of NBA players that say that Kobe is their favourite player, and not Jordan 😂😂 and they copy Kobe, not Jordan and their idole is Kobe, not Jordan. Just to mention few of them: Jayson Tatum Julious Randle, Demar Derozan, Devin Booker etc, etc...

[@geografia89]

​@@hristijandimitrovski8664Kobe didn't change anything except fadeways...the fact ppl recognize him as a role.model doesn't change the fact he himself copied Jordan...don't create stupid narratives that insult his memory

[@enmorot]

Luka and SGA have had amazing seasons, but man is it hard to argue against Jokic as the MVP this season.

[@tinku-j4n]

Jokic might be the best offensive player all time

[@HoopVenue]

Not a hot take!

[@mrfinalsmvp8067]

prime stpeh curry exists but i consider jokic the second best offensive player of all time.

[@tinku-j4n]

@@mrfinalsmvp8067 Jokic was more efficient with worse teammates

[@youngmelo1841]

​@@mrfinalsmvp8067Curry doesn't weaponize his teammates to the level that Jokic does. Curry's "gravity" is just teams playing bad defense. Jokic is a 3 level scorer on top of being the best player maker in the NBA. add on his ability to get offensive rebounds and you realise that curry isn't close to him

[@jahbrilplaysgamesandstuff326]

Prime lebron, steph and jordan above him

[@Themegatrolll]

Jokic is already ahead of Kevin Durant all time to me Edit : Giannis is too but that’s a separate conversation 🤣

[@kraff2988]

Will piss off a lot of people but yeah I strongly agree. KD has as much skill and talent as basically anyone ever and he is in no way a choker but he also just doesn’t take it to the next level and impact the game in the cluth like the greatest of the greats. Only thing that separates KD from the goats is mental. He just doesn’t have that true dog in him

[@aquatazer]

@@kraff2988and that he’s not a true number one who can carry a team. I’m a massive KD fan but my belief is that he is always going to be the greatest 2nd option of all time. He doesn’t elevate his teammates like Jokić, Curry, or LeBron in modern times or guys like Bird, Magic or Russel in the older days. However, he is going to be the best player on any team he plays on. He’s probably the only player in history that is like that in my opinion, and it’s strange but interesting.

[@Aburner960]

God no

[@casualfan-m5x]

he is top 3 all time (MJ, Kobe,Jokic)

[@Cooper-wg7oi]

And kd has no rings

[@bigt3995]

Its his versatility thats so god damn impressive Usually one would say his team supports his skill set well, but I believe he supports the team well.

[@HoopVenue]

Definitely a mutual benefit, which is why they're such a juggernaut.

[@freedom3594]

Nice breakdown. Much appreciation for the time you put in.

[@HoopVenue]

Thank you for watching!

[@funkwaf]

jokic plays smarter not harder.

[@BenGreen1980]

The ability of the Nuggets to ramp up in the clutch behind Jokic's uncanny consistency and versatility makes it so hard for opponents to maintain a lead through the 4th. Opponents absolutely have to dominate in the non-Jokic minutes so when Braun and Watson go off like they did and end at +1, it's just kind of unstoppable.

[@ArlieB7]

Really informative breakdown. Accurate title. Liked and subscribed. Great job.

[@gahaylongplays7033]

“Brother i have 47”

[@nirvedhsutey]

Amazing analysis! Love Jokic!

[@dougrmoe]

Solid presentation 👌 Subscribed

[@HoopVenue]

Appreciate it!

[@scottmunson2917]

So much fun to listen to this insightful analysis. Really brought out the "chess match" which is harder to see for us casual fans. Just a nice clear explication of each evolving move and counter-move.

[@HoopVenue]

Really glad you enjoyed!

[@BootlegBoomerangs]

Great video homie!

[@HoopVenue]

Appreciate it!

[@Dex000x]

I knew Jokic was the GOAT, but watching him drop 41 on the DPOTY without any real effort was a surprise.

[@DraganUgrenovic-nh1pm]

Best analysis on net ... Great video 👍👍👍

[@HoopVenue]

Thank you!

[@phillipg1331]

The Nuggets gameplan and scheme has been developed and pretty much consistent over a decade. It's paying off now.

[@robfer5370]

All the Nuggets needed to do was find players who worked well with Joker.

[@WrongButtonWB]

Incorrect. They, the Nuggets, not in their wildest dreams could see a player like Jokić coming... No one could. Jokić's skill set unlocked their team potential and every playbook that you are seeing right now was developed in the last few years, starting 2018- 2019, when the Nuggets staff realized what they've had, in their possession. I'll bet you anything, that 10 years ago or so, they didn't have a single action drawn in their book, where their C is moving the ball across the court.

[@robfer5370]

@@WrongButtonWB One of the main reason why Joker is miles ahead of everyone else ( apart for his skill and IQ on a basketball court ) comes down to one thing, his mindset!! The guys just doesn't feel pressured the same way as other players in crunchtime. There is actually terminology for it - the Yerkes-Dodson Law! Nicola Jokic ranks number one, by an absolute mile in that category, that along with his size, skill level and basketball IQ makes him the MVP!

[@phillipg1331]

@@robfer5370 that's part of developing a scheme. They knew what they had when they drafted Jokic and the roster construction has been fairly consistent ever since. It did take some time though. Particularly releasing or trading players with a big ego.

[@phillipg1331]

@@WrongButtonWB these are professional organizations. Of course they knew what they were getting especially in terms of his skill set. When Malone became confident in him to lead the team he started him over Nurk. That was in the 15-16 season. One year after he was drafted. His first season with the team.

[@doctorwilly]

whoever thinks Jokic is boring is not interested in the best of winning basketball

[@mrbasketball1712]

Joker is gonna feast in the playoffs

[@konstruct11]

Remember you win the game by scoring more points than the opponent period so unstoppable Offense wins against defensive teams

[@phillipg1331]

Sometimes a great offense is a good defense

[@djsin2245]

@@phillipg1331 Bruce Lee

[@Anthonydu01630]

The thing i always say about the best defenders in the league like AD or Gobert is that they aren’t as valuable as the best offensive players in the league like Jokic or Curry because it doesn’t matter if they can guard 99% of the league if they can’t guard 1 or 2 guys, AD can guard almost every players in the league but Jokic, Embiid, Luka, prime Curry, healthy Kawhi or Zion ect, but the best offensive players in the league are unstoppable when they are hot, hence the saying « Good defense better offense ». The only guy that could change this is Wemby when he’ll become stronger and like 15-20 pounds heavier, now he is only 230 so 250 pounds + grown men strenght will be enough to guard any Center, but he’ll probably lose a bit of speed and mobility so he won’t guard the perimeter as well …

[@wyzkun]

@@Anthonydu01630 ill say that it is still impossible for one person to change everything, unless wemby have cat like reflex or move faster than light, there is just no way you can stop any team with good ball movement.

[@jnachtig2]

But..but. They made Jokic a scorer. Isn’t that the key to beating the Nuggets?

[@phillipg1331]

😂

[@soren5801]

It is, we're just missing KAT that can Defend Joker well as well as no one in the Nuggets can stop KAT from scoring

[@BossMinecrafter]

@@soren5801nugs in 6

[@dariusdragomir9414]

⁠@@soren5801you are right, id be so fun to see a denver vs Minnesota in wcf, if the 3x MVP takes the L vs them, he ll fs be considerd the worst mvp ever and never win it again

[@hristijandimitrovski8664]

​@@soren5801they wouldn't win even with KAT on the floor😂 because KAT isn't known for his defense and sorry, but he isn't soo consistent player, he can play great, but than he can play 2 or 3 games in a row very bad soo there isn't small probability that he would has bad game when he is on the court. However, even if he was there, Denver still wins because that guy who played on his possiyion also scored some points, it's not like he didn't score anything 😂 in order to win, KAT would need to score probably 27+ points that game which I doubt he would do that.

[@antoinericquebourg3131]

Great breakdown, thanks!

[@jonnyindianajd]

Fantastic as always

[@vutran3758]

This is the Jokic era

[@robfer5370]

Joker has Gobert number, it was like watching a cat play with a mouse, it was inevitable!

[@catalogueboys2538]

Mvp clinching performance❤

[@BrentWhitsonsFather]

hope you make a vid on wembys defense

[@HoopVenue]

I've got something even better planned!

[@BrentWhitsonsFather]

@@HoopVenue waiting to see it, love your content

[@geraldberg903]

Great player, no doubt deserving of another MVP. Keep in mind the Wolves split with Denver. I hope they meet in the playoffs. Would be a tight series.

[@roytjm1]

Good Video 📹 👍 👌 👏

[@HoopVenue]

Thanks!

[@Celtics_fan_33]

Gobert getting sonned by Jokic as usual

[@nocap9382]

I mean I don't hold it against him. Last playoff run he sonned Gobert and KAT, Davis and Bam. I don't hold it against anyone for not being able to stop him

[@HoopVenue]

To be fair, you could replace "Gobert" with any defender in the NBA and the statement is probably still true.

[@Law-of-EnTropy]

the only team i've seen the Nuggets struggle for a fair bit is the OKC. And not just this season but last season as well. it be cool to see these two teams in a playoff series and watch how each team figure each other out

[@phillipg1331]

OKC is scary good. But they need some quality depth and a solid secondary scorer which may or may not be the big lank.

[@Riku5528]

OKC really not the team that has split the season series and that Denver called the hardest opponent last playoffs in the Wolves. You don't know ball okc is good but a second round exit at best.

[@marting7848]

@@Riku5528 OKC is out on the first round, you heard here first. Lakers or Warriors match up and its a wrapp.

[@PaintStyle_08]

0:38

[@mexican_vatox]

🔥

[@chasethreshing]

I love how there's NOTHING SammySkullcap' league can do. Joker doesn't require electromagnetics to help him make 3's like KabbaLuka.

[@ThunderTalk]

Jokic sealed it

[@rschaulis]

Imagine if Aaron Gordon developed a 3 pointer. It would be over.

[@Enchanted_Li]

I know right? dang!

[@mycroidalmycroidal]

JOKIC IS THE GOAT!!

[@henrikung4489]

I am surprised at how effective gobert was

[@nbapbaupdate8338]

Nikola Jokic get 3rd MVP this season 🤔🤔🤔

[@joejett5084]

With 1 more title, does Jokic surpass Olajuwon all time?

[@johnnymarin5035]

Honestly it would have to be another title and another MVP, And one of those is definitely guaranteed this year.

[@alexkriesel9139]

No Olajuwon had probably the best season OAT. Nuggets had an easy run to finals last year not even playing a 3,2, or a 1 seed.

[@Alijahboi]

If he wins ill put him 12th best all time above kd and hakeem

[@Alijahboi]

@@alexkriesel9139 he doesn't control who he plays

[@kennn30]

@@alexkriesel9139 Well this year will really prove their ability then since the west is real stacked

[@אוריהלל-ס4ח]

Correction: THE offensive GOAT

[@HoopVenue]

I respect it.

[@Fkyobichazz]

If Jokic nor Luka wins MVP, NBA racism is real 🤡

[@ljutko7]

💪❤️🤯💯

[@supremejunika]

watching this a day after the wolves js defeated the nuggets in a 7 game series

[@Adi20054]

Should have waited cat for this one

[@god.valley]

You should have talked about Peyton Watson defense

[@kahok5ownage]

This game HURT. Watching the wolves be up and make mistake after mistake... nuggets are just that good

[@phillipg1331]

The Nuggets gameplan and scheme has been developed and pretty much consistent over a decade. It's passing off now.

[@kahok5ownage]

@@phillipg1331 the worst part is you SEE it happening before it happens, and there's nothing that can be done about it. An absolutely nuts team to watch.

[@dragicaandrejevic2060]

Elite scorer Denver nuggets MPJ - earned his biggest contract, when the Denver Nuggets are struggling MPJ has a good three-point shooting percentage of 20 percent. It is not true that MPJ is the worst wing player in the NBA. Maybe MPJ is good in betting shops. The coach must not put MPJ on the bench even when he shoots for 3, a disastrous 20 percent

[@Hustlekids]

U mines well titled it jokic vs Rudy 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

[@user-pk8uf3er7v]

In big games the nuggets show up. I think Minnesota matches up best with Denver but I don’t think they can beat them over a 7 game series. Jokers biggest strength is just how smart of a basketball player he is.

[@phillipg1331]

Poor Rudy, i am fairly certain he lost a portion of his sanity and humanity.

[@85AAnthonyS]

Great breakdown video. Subscribed

[@HoopVenue]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@noyou113]

Kat does make a big difference in this matchup though.

[@dimelo58]

80% 😂😂😂

[@JOHNNYPMUSIC]

Better scorer in 2024 Embiid or Jokic & what the separator

[@krisskrossSSS]

Jokic. Playoffs.

[@jaredfontenot7672]

@@krisskrossSSSthe playoffs haven’t happened yet. Not too fond of how he plays, but Embiid has been an incredible scorer this season. His true shooting is near Jokic’s, but he’s scoring 8 more per game. Scoring alone, you can’t disregard Embiid. It’s other offensive skills that make Jokic way better

[@yugo4855]

Separater are the refs on embiids D bailing him out with a lot of FT.....but to be fair Embiid started reaaaaally strong and he was on his way to the second MVP ...but as usual he to fragile to play 70-82 games ... I can't wait to see if he will choke again in the playoffs and blame it on "injurys"

[@-bacon_bacon-]

@@jaredfontenot7672there has been many playoffs already, so far easily playoff jokic

[@phillipg1331]

Embiid lacks the focus and the drive. If he would key in on his health he could become great.

[@200fullboxezz]

🎉

[@blitzchamp3854]

Best hope that Nuggets could go thru the hump of Karl Anthony Towns when he gets back. This Timberwolves team have their lacking star playing with them now...

[@JSauer21]

KAT didn't do shit against the Nuggets last playoffs

[@abdullahiali2446]

@@JSauer21well twolves we’re injured 😂 just wait a healthy twolves

[@JSauer21]

@@abdullahiali2446 Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon also had reduced minutes

[@KK-45]

And the lakers think they have a chance against these nuggets. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@icantthinkofanamejustallow4199]

Please make a video about kyrie offensive prowess over the last 30 games🙌

[@renzoenzo7535]

If Joker wins MVP, FMVP, WCMVP and Championship this year he will Top 5 Center All Time Kareem Bill Wilt Shaq Jokic He will be better than Hakeem

[@jms2936]

lotta missed and weak calls in this game, hopefully that isn't a thing in the playoffs

[@jrob8891]

Yeah it was a poor night for the officials. Blatent missed call on jokic, really weak calls on watson

[@maaaaaason]

@@jrob8891there was a lot of missed calls or shouldve been non calls for the wolves too

[@jms2936]

@@jrob8891 yea it was bad in general

[@mladensimic3210]

Jokic had to play perfect just for them to win. Twolves cause a lot of problems because of their size and now kat back too hmm. Bench will have to play well in the playoffs

[@yugo4855]

He was far from playing perfect he still has another gear....his FT where awful that game

[@kennn30]

Jokic can get 40 every night if he wants to, there's nothing any player can do. He's either gonna get 30, 10 assists, or both

[@phillipg1331]

Yeah that starting lineup for the Wolves is scary. I'm just not confident in the depth beyond Naz.

[@aspleen1102]

just a FYI Gobert have a 7'9 wingspan not 7'10. (which is already very long) Also it's obvious than Rudy D can't match Jokic skill/strentgh... Wemby is a better Defender than Gobert... every D metrics says it and the Gobert/Jokic vs Wemby/Jokic matchup just shows it.

[@minnuss]

Wemby is a better defender, but when it comes to Jokic, it doesn't matter, you can't stop this man.

[@marting7848]

Tell you don't know ball without telling me you don't know ball.

[@aspleen1102]

@@marting7848 Tell you never Watch Spurs and Wemby without telling me you never watch. BTW Wemby, after his 4 blocks on Jokic (9 for the game) during April 02, had this clutch block on Jokic with the W today... Just watch the game you'll see how much Jokic don't try to shoot over him... Gobert is like butter for Jokic, Wemby is not.

[@josephhernandez5050]

Wonder how different this would look if Wolves had KAT

[@shorewall]

I hope they meet in the wcf with a healthy towns.

[@boomKnootz88]

lol no BS but I think the Twolves are better without towns.. But he can come back healthy I don’t think He will make the difference He’s not a good defender so that still leaves nobody to guard Jokic who ups his game in the playoffs

[@aitritran9241]

@@boomKnootz88 you know you are lying when you say Wolves are better without Towns! what an absolute joke of a take that is. Last night the wolves lost the the Nuggest not only because they cant guard Jokic but also due to the fact that there offense when cold when Ant get absolutely shut down, with Towns he can help if Ant being double teamed

[@johnnymarin5035]

Well, the offense with Towns would definitely be better. They could actually space out Jokic on the 3 point line If they tried. Defensively Jokic was able to just roam the paint in this game. However, it can't be ignored that Towns wouldn't be able to guard him at all. It's a toss-up this year and honestly I'm a huge Denver fan.

[@HouseParty13]

The nuggets are very underrated defensive team though. They are all around clutch on both sides of the ball. 4 of their starting 5 commonly make either clutch defensive plays (AG and Kcp) or clutch scoring plays (Murray and Joker).

[@lakersfanforlife1987]

Who the historic defense not rudy gobert

[@HoopVenue]

The *pending* 4x DPOY who’s anchoring the 16th best defense in NBA history!

[@bzx7200]

Gollber is shit problem personality. The win against Washington was because the refs.dani should have got fouls . But didn't because gollber cry and complain a lot. Well done Denver.🎉

[@jovanmandic8808]

One of the best sure, offensive GOAT? No.

[@HoopVenue]

Why not?

[@jovanmandic8808]

@@HoopVenue Because he's not named Michael Jordan.

[@rgonzalo511]

​@@jovanmandic8808Stop it Michael Jordan can't do all the stuff Jokic can. Jokic is the most complete offensive player of all time

[@VinOng-er6ks]

You talk as if what Jokic or the Wolves are doing are very easy.

[@HoopVenue]

Not at all!

[@rasalghul8195]

Historic defense . Hahahahaa

[@Sarmozord]

All was okay until you said stat padding. Terrible take.

[@HoopVenue]

It’s a joke, lighten up a little bit!

[@Sarmozord]

@@HoopVenue Yeah, noooo. Once people call you on it, you say its a joke. Not with the tone of complete video.

[@HoopVenue]

There’s nothing to call out. If you’re offended by a joking comment about a player who I just spent 10 minutes praising, that’s on you.

[@Sarmozord]

@@HoopVenue Uff mate, think before you write. Nothing is on me, it's all on you. You are the one who cannot take even small criticism.

[@HoopVenue]

I’m just clarifying that there’s nothing to critique. How could you possibly think that after breaking down Jokic’s offensive brilliance and the way he countered multiple defensive coverages I would ruin the entire thing by calling him a stat padder? I also feel that my very loud appraisal of Jokic on this channel dating back to 2020 would be some indicator on how I feel about his numbers.

[@lioraja9951]

41/11/7 ... gobret strong against the weak and weak against the rest. overrated faker will never be champion anyway hahahha. Let see in PO how he will loss his cool and returned to his yoga class

[@ks90e]

This is why Wemby is the DPOY

[@yugo4855]

Hahahahahahaha bruh gtfoh with that stupid take!! Wemby lost 60 games .....I repeat 60 ....last years team has won more games then this year with wemby..... His defense and blocks don't translate to winning basketball... Just take a break and give him like 3-4 years then he might be great and win DPOY .....but no one ever should win DPOY with more the 60 losses....he barely won any games ....

[@yugo4855]

And Jokic dropped 40 on his head too.....these French players are just food for jokic the skillgap is enormous

[@kennn30]

@@yugo4855 Stop saying he, it's a team game.

[@jasonsal6742]

​@@yugo4855those losses aren't because of Wemby thou😂 he has the youngest team in the league. He's a rookie. And even with all this his stats at defense is better than Gobert already bro. Smh🤦🏾 Gobert's team is better than Wemby's team yes. But Gobert better defender then Wemby no! If u think otherwise then show me the individual stats that say otherwise! I'll do it for u.. U can't! Because the stats point to Wemby better 👉🏾 "individually."💯🍻✌🏾

[@yugo4855]

@@kennn30 bruh I don't care what u say no one should ever win DPOY with more then 60 losses it's just stupidity to even think that.....but some of u guys are just mentally handicapped to understand I guess

[@lordhorg999]

No defense in this era is historic other than historicaly trash

[@MiguelSosa-oo6ww]

Cry

[@lordhorg999]

@@MiguelSosa-oo6ww you a bitch and soft as this era you Cap for

[@dre7147]

As expected Rudy Gobert isnt a Ben Wallace type of elite 1 on 1 and interior defender. This why i question Rudy greatness at times. He's good but no where near top 5 defenders ever.

[@leos_27]

He did his best, but Jokić is simply one of the greatest offensive players of all-time, period.

[@MbogaTatu]

As if Ben Wallace, whose defense I have a great respect for, could've done anything Vs Jokic

[@Matthew-xl5bc]

1 on 1 isn't the only form of defense. This is a casual take and no ond has Gobert as a top 5 defender

[@aquatazer]

Sorry man, but Ben Wallace would get cooked by Jokić. The big threat is the spacing which Wallace would have no ability to work on. Gobert is a top five all-time interior defender, but his weakness (and almost all big men’s weakness) is guarding the perimeter. Wallace would get cooked having to guard Jokić from the half-court, just like everyone else does. It’s not a knock on anyone, it’s just that Jokić is an all-time great scorer, and one of the best passers of all time to boot.

[@samhartje723]

I mean, no one can actually guard Jokic. Not really his fault. Ben Wallace was nowhere near the rim deterrent Gobert is, so they all have their strengths and weaknesses.

[@200fullboxezz]

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[@HoopVenue]

W

[@woulphe7396]

luka should be #1 for MVP this years its stupid

[@haraldhardrade7539]

Gober dpoy? What a joke

[@HoopVenue]

I don't think being outplayed by Nikola Jokic should have any bearing on any DPOY selection, in the same way Joel Embiid dropping 70 on Wemby should have any bearing on his candidacy.

[@haraldhardrade7539]

@@HoopVenue get your stats straight,vast majority of points he scored on Collins and Sochan

[@HoopVenue]

He scored 24 points in 26 possessions with Wemby guarding. That’s a rate of 92 points per 100 possessions. Like I said, getting cooked by an all-time great scorer is not an indicator of who or who shouldn’t win DPOY.

[@haraldhardrade7539]

@@HoopVenue now post stats on this other two

[@haraldhardrade7539]

@@HoopVenue and 8 of those 24 were free throws, which were not all faouls by Viktor, but that's another topic. Embiid being 300+ pounds and heavily favored by referees, plus crying all the time if something is not like he wants.

[@Shigami-lb6oc]

Historic defense?? Lol...

[@HoopVenue]

Yeah, statistically 16th in NBA history. Not sure where the line crosses "historic", but ranking ahead of teams like the '70 Knicks, '96 Bulls, and '04 Pacers probably deserves the label.

[@jakobfisher9415]

LUKA FOR MVP 💪🏻

[@dbBALLiN]

Get Lukas D out your mouth