In full & uncut! IOHK's Charles Hoskinson speaks to Ben Goertzel of SingularityNET

The full uncut conversation!
SingularityNET Foundation and leading blockchain research and development company IOHK, have today announced that they are planning to port a significant portion of the SingularityNET decentralized protocol and platform from Ethereum to Cardano.
This would involve providing mechanisms for swapping some of the current (Ethereum-based) ERC-20 AGI tokens to Cardano-based AGI tokens, and also creating analogues of the Solidity smart contracts underlying aspects of the SingularityNET platform using Cardano’s new Plutus smart contract language.
IOHK and SingularityNET, CEOs Charles Hoskinson and Ben Goertzel sit down here for a wide-ranging discussion of the future of technology. The conversation at the University of Wyoming Blockchain Stampede touches on the intersection of decentralization and artificial intelligence. SingularityNET is working with Cardano on the shared goal of pushing power to the edges of the world through the application of next-generation technology.

[@Malkier-OREMOB]

Interviews like this are a gem for humanity. We are the 1% of the initial 1% to watch this, and realise where things are headed. Welcome to the future.

[@icoresearchgroup4175]

indeed

[@TheThejaketucker]

8,000 views . Blows my mind, 2 men creating the future of humanity

[@iamdanyc93]

@seguiriya1 your comment is contradictory. How could you be poor and healthy ? The poorest people barely make it to their 50’s.

[@MrMahir99]

💫

[@heatherwilson7404]

Just invested into singularity and the AGI coin based on this fantastic discussion. Wishing you both all the success you deserve and that you fill your dreams.

[@grahambutler734]

Crazy to think Charles is only 33... these guys are super intelligent. Given the very early stages of these projects, I have invested on my judgement of these two peoples abilities and intellect. I have a gut feeling and I'm going with it.

[@jazeapokergoda219]

Me too. Charles had me at the "scientific method" and "peer reviews"...🤣🤣

[@grahambutler734]

@toprejake 140k, when AGI moons I'm hoping for the millions 😁

[@Fiscotte]

@@grahambutler734 nice nice, I'm in ADA and currently analyzing AGI (surprising right) to see if I believe as well 🚀

[@stealthcat100]

Exactly

[@barres5584]

What an awesome interview.

[@bluecollarcrypto9704]

AGI on Cardano . AI meets the Cardano Blockchain .

[@bibo3177]

Of all the projects on Ethereum Charles flirted only with SingularityNet. After researching I understand why. The guy is a calculated genius. AI self learning, solving problems running security for Cardano.

[@JuanTheOne]

Mind blowing! Seems like the future is closer than many of us think. Looking forward to the next interview!

[@MrJuand1390]

Imagine watching again this in 10 years...

[@icoresearchgroup4175]

haha will be crazy

[@-Nobody15650]

Set a reminder 10 years from now..

[@vegeta9411]

This is like Bill gates, Jeff bezo, and Steve Jobs in the 90s

[@ryannyamz1473]

We will be tycoons by then..

[@Mynestrone]

either a nice sense of "i told you so" or incoming crushing depression. im all in!

[@reflex1377]

Has much as I love hearing Charles blow my mind. Seeing the focus on his face while listening to ben's genius is next level 😂

[@daveadams5340]

He's the Slash of AI.

[@MrKemKemal]

That's what I have been saying! right?!?!? same speaking pattern

[@Gianninonoino]

Wonderful interview! Ben move his hands like he s dropping some bars

[@icoresearchgroup4175]

would be cool to see Ben doing that, especially with the hands and all

[@splitpierre]

I was waiting for this duo on a talk for years! Thanks IOHK Two great minds at work.

[@CogitoErgo1637]

Can some one send this to Elon Musk?

[@fuckthatsonofabitch]

why

[@joachimknight1560]

Why not

[@Carni-hank]

Drop the link to it in his twitter feed

[@icoresearchgroup4175]

done it

[@papahuge]

Yes we all should tag him on twitter with this vid.

[@ronallen3750]

Ben --truly a "Beautiful Mind'

[@benjay011]

0:00 Intro 0:25 Why got Ben into math 2:44 How did Ben get into Science fiction 5:18 How did your past contribute to your career? 8:25 What kind of ambitions did you have 11:16 Going into AGI vs other works. 13:19 If we could solve AGI: doing good for the world 15:17 In the middle of 2 AI Revolutions 17:50 Who influenced you in AI field? 21:00 Solving AGI indirectly and directly (SingularityNet and OpenCOG) 22:21 What is SingularityNet 23:40 An AI Marketplace 24:30 More than a marketplace, but a movement towards a good AGI goal 26:00 Going to the next step of Singularity Net 26:42 Incentive Engineering to move towards a goal (good AI and not shit we're screwed) 29:50 Data marketplaces, Singularity interoperates multiple cryptos together 33:15 Blockchains have to work together 34:47 What excites you about Cardano? 35:18 Going multichain (Cardano and Ethereum) 37:00 We need a faster cheaper blockchain 37:25 There's plenty of cheaper blockchains, what makes Cardano more interesting? 38:46 The benefits of partnerships, how they strengthen Cardano 39:30 SingularityNet: The API of APIs (needs Cardano) 43:08 We can't have trusted third parties (but its hard to solve) 45:23 Vision for AGI development with OpenCog 51:03 Vision for SingularityNet (Possible with Cardano) 53:44 AGI Is coming (Good or evil?) 55:10 If I propose a problem, how hard is it for the community of decentralized developers to solve? 1:03:41 Cardano Voltaire: Decentralized funding can allow a plan of attack 1:05:26 High level goals for SingularityNet and Partnership with Cardano 1:07:23 Decentralized AI vs Centralized AI: Windows vs Linux 1:11:18 How Singularity Net Improves Cardano 1:13:21 Outro

[@Humanaut.]

MVP

[@NathanEvers]

Excellent discussion, looking forward to the future with this collaboration

[@krypton9984]

Haha... "to oversimplify greatly, there's a weighted labelled metagraph knowledge store called the atomspace..." - yeah - got a bit of background to catch up on here I expect.

[@beire1569]

the holy grail (I agree) is develop AGI to solve the energy problem first, so the rest wont matter...

[@goldencedi5016]

"Physicists build circuit that generates clean, limitless power from graphene". phys.org/news/2020-10-physicists-circuit-limitless-power-graphene.html

[@papahuge]

Can't really solve the energy problem, unless you first solve the AGI problem. If you can solve the AGI problem, then all other problems will be solved as well.

[@2468hlopije]

Interview 10/10 👍👍👍

[@laughingcorpsev2024]

8/10 because of the interviewer...always interviewers make me hate watching something i love

[@angelobadellino3922]

Amazing content! Thanks IOG!

[@alexeysaharovski8911]

🔥🔥🔥 thanks for posting this.

[@EyeOfTheKing1]

Really enjoyed this one👍

[@jonsplex]

I really enjoyed this conversion between the two of you -- thank you so much for sharing it :)

[@Carni-hank]

Inspiring to hear two great minds collaborating. Thanks for the interview Charles!

[@jimlee5626]

Wow! Just wow. So proud to be a participating part of this system. I am a ADA stake pool owner. Trout pool, and the future is going to be so fun to watch play out. Well done Charles and Ben.

[@DavidHernandezDHP]

Thank you for this amazing partnership. Great things are comin'.

[@PolawiaczKrewetek]

It was pleasure to listen people with such brilliant minds 👌

[@namastestx]

I am so grateful for people like this. You rock, Ben!! We cant wait to see what you can do with your vast knowledge base. What an extraordinary set of achievements and what a ride it will be..... Congratulations.

[@lulufelix5090]

Simply amazing. AGI working towards decentralized financial AI.

[@cool7846]

Fantastic Interview, great insight into the AI space. Thanks for sharing

[@bvd2406]

me: I remember... Ben: my first memory which I can dredge up from my cranium...

[@siipd]

This killed me😂

[@veag687]

This is an honour to listen to!

[@Murmur1131]

First interview since ages to really give me some great "goosebumb" impulses!

[@davidantill6949]

Wow. That near enough blew my mind. Thank you both

[@clarencethomas9088]

When I listen to two brilliant people like this talk, I realize that I'm just a dumb@ss. hahhahhaah! Seriously, I've been a heavy investor in Cardano for the last 2 1/2 years, and this vision is really starting to come together.

[@icoresearchgroup4175]

same, i'm a fool too.

[@papahuge]

we all are compared to the genius level these cats operate at.

[@MegaMrChilli]

This comment made me laugh :D

[@thepedrorriva]

so... how rich are you now?

[@clarencethomas9088]

@@thepedrorriva well not as rich as Charles. But life is good my friend. Hope you've made some good money too.

[@brunosilva0023]

I just loved this interview. Amazing and inspiring people.

[@AdrianaRosalesAuthor]

Great insight!! well done gentlemen!

[@nikhilshetty1446]

Really enjoyed listening to these geniuses in their respective fields. Their passion and ability of doing such great things (things way beyond most people's comprehension) just blows my mind! Also reduces my ego to dust.

[@hgfuhgvg]

Fascinating discussion. Didn't realise I ended up watching the entire thing at one sitting

[@atulsharma2107]

Cardano will prove itself to be a better protocol.

[@MCJOHNSON95]

The superior foundation always wins.

[@alexlee8639]

@@MCJOHNSON95 I hope so, but it doesn’t always happen. Social network effects are important, and ethereum got here first

[@shawnharris5734]

@@alexlee8639 devs sniveling about gas fees and network speed, ethereum is pretty much done, give it a year tops, cardano will race by it once goguen and Voltaire are live.

[@morongosteve]

Yes.

[@kurtdixon4700]

What an exciting space /time to be in

[@daveross6103]

Humbling to hear these great minds...ada for the win!

[@luckyabada292]

Cardano is simply the best

[@MM-sw6wc]

What an amazing collaboration! Great minds 🧠

[@jody4776]

Got my fair bag of AGI :) To the moon 🌙

[@icoresearchgroup4175]

AMAZING INTERVIEW!!!!!

[@mitchelltesla103]

Ben is "THEE" WORLD FAMOUS AI RESEARCHER!!! A true Living LEGEND among us, and now Charles is also a living legend....you both should be written in the books some day imo...

[@MelancholyCrypto]

This is going to be fun to watch again in years to come.

[@endeuinable]

Fascinating and exciting project. This type of ambitious project is what will take Cardano to a bright future.

[@21ada65]

Great partnership 👌🏾

[@earthoffline3957]

more long form interviews like this please

[@vhblocker]

Excellent interview with Cyber Gandalf

[@shqueeblesmckloofin7351]

I laughed out loud

[@YggOrr]

Make this talks regular.

[@krzysztofbutynski2900]

Great interview. its interesting that Cardano was chosen from many blockchains like DOT, AVA, ICON etc Interested why? any place to get more info on that?

[@3274BigBlueBotics]

Absolutely amazing conversation between two geniuses

[@AngelinaCruz357]

PhD in Mathematics at the age of 21 is an exceptionally unique attribute.

[@AngelinaCruz357]

Mathematics holds the other sciences, together ❤.

[@wrapped_tank8055]

He's always struck me as that genius who is definitely riding dangerously close to the edge of beyond coming back to reality more like a character from a movie. Sophia also creeps me out a bit.

[@nicetrymate813]

@@wrapped_tank8055 I don't understand what you mean by coming back to reality.

[@christopherrussell1677]

Yep , me to ! Then fell in love with Calypso ! 😱🐬 , much love ❤️ brother , hope you never die !

[@LE0NSKA]

no kidding. he is like one of the very very few reasons that give me hope for humanity

[@Joe-qu8uk]

such a high bandwidth communication, simply amazing this synergy. Agi - Ada the twins

[@charlie7283]

Wow great minds in action!

[@pascalboucher4901]

Brilliant;)

[@gtg238s]

These guys are changing the world drastically for the better

[@massif4716]

29:50 Ocean Protocol

[@davidjoncheff4192]

This got me excited

[@anakinmay2328]

SingularityNET is a great project🙌

[@VisceralMediaa]

Incredible conversation. I really can't fathom why Charles gets such a bad rep other than people's narrow self interest. Beautiful questioning, and paced in a way that really gets the best out of Ben whilst containing and focusing his chaos oriented quantum brain. An alliance which i am sure will benefit humanity greatly and one which i can't wait to watch unfold. Best of luck to both men.

[@velvia7880]

Would be awesome if there was a collaboration whiteboard type video with Ben and Charles, where they both explore possibilities between AGI and Cardano. Just having fun with wild ideas.

[@pharag4886]

this would be awesome

[@deadpoolredsuit4892]

Charles Hoskinson & Ben Goertzel ..AMAZING! ^_^

[@vinhvoduy7391]

For guys who don't know, "Dr. Ben Goertzel is the creator of Sophia robot".

[@oncle_dan]

Mmm.. I think it's Hanson Robotics

[@manta5890]

when AGI will be on the cardano network, will we be able to swap adas for agis?

[@Mynestrone]

i feel like the only person watching these videos for optimism about our future while everyone else is here to speculate the amount of crypto they will have in a world of infinite abundance

[@deAndaJake]

I’m watching it fearing that robots are gonna take over Earth in 50 years haha!

[@richwealth262]

🤣🤣🤣🤣Glad I got in at .03

[@hilldog3450]

Watching two of the brightest freedom loving geniuses working out the details of a greater future.....pretty sweet

[@bernardmacarius2635]

Love you both! If only more of humanity thought along the same lines as you both, the life would be a much better experience for all. The answers are out there. I try and learn where to look and how to listen! In the case of legal. It all still comes down to trust of those doing the imput of the data sets. Wouldnt building a system that can scan text, translate it into simple laymen terms reduce the chance of corrupted data either by choice or accident making its way into the systems? Never trust a human to do a computers job!

[@BL0CKBUST3RzZ]

This is the futures history!

[@basicattentionwoman5787]

I wish I was smart enough to work on this stuff, so interesting and also scary.

[@grantaustin4148]

I was here 3 months after the premiere and with 15k views.

[@mitchelltesla103]

You guys are awesome, i can't wait to see what unfolds from here! All BS aside...YOU NEED TO GET "V" IN ON THIS !!!!!!.......j/s

[@KandMe1]

My goodness Ben is very good at getting you tune with what he is saying.

[@dkmatthews439]

U gotta love these guys..

[@sekelele]

. kudos.

[@peny79133]

AGI Coin, ADA 가즈아......

[@Clebrw]

Decentralized IA is comming!

[@kahuna414]

Two most interesting people

[@Nick-me7ot]

Time for Cardano investors to take a look at investing in singularitynet!!

[@awakend]

It’s all perspective. There is no such thing as death. Everything is experience. Ur heart works by itself....u are not the heart....u breath by ur self....u are not the lungs.....ur brain thinks by itself u are not the brain........u are the awareness....u are pure consciousness watching these things happen. Look under every stone and u will only find ur self...the only enlightenment u find at the top of the mountain is the enlightenment u brought there. It’s all perspective....when ur done the dance and find out u are the one the whole then u will stop searching....cuz u are what u are searching for.

[@Mufassahehe]

I’m pretty sure the body dies.?Isn’t that part of the why of our existence here?

[@Mufassahehe]

One is not the whole, we are not the thing everything is. You are me, we are them, they are us. Spirit learns about itself by being completely separate. You find yourself through your relationships. You don’t find it’s all about you. I am not trying to be preachy. Just want you to complete the circuit. Lee V pushing, you are the limit. I am my limit. You and I are one

[@awakend]

@@Mufassahehe who knows it's all perspective. The body dies we are not the body.

[@girlfromipanema09]

Fascinating..

[@X8X8X6X4X]

These two are the future

[@MDCB1]

GOOD!!!

[@AngelinaCruz357]

The way Ben explains Open Cognition, it's not so bad.

[@John-wf5if]

Hey, Ben! When you've got a spare moment 😉...can you (or an AGI) figure out how to regenerate cartilage? I work in rheumatology, and have been part of a few - not overly successful - studies in to cartilage regeneration, for sufferers of OA, RA etc. Cartilage damage effects millions, will touch nearly all of us, and is the leading cause of disability for adults. It is particularly awful to see the suffering it causes in young children.

[@simondavies358]

Medistem Panama inc look it up as it might be of interest. Unfortunately due to where people live, some laws might restrict useful medical techniques. But it’s worth looking at.

[@XYZ-ft4hw]

just learning about the blockchain ecosystem in some depth (as a programmer), i asked myself 'would any of these support AI services at scale'. decided probably cardano is best shot ... and lo and behold is see Ben frikin Goertzel involved... now on to probabilistic consensus for probabilistic AI's.

[@edprybylko]

Ever since discovering AllenNLP, I've wondered about an AI that can interpret case laws as well as codified laws as an arbiter.

[@gtahoer]

Today I learned something about what dharma is, their goal is a good example I think.

[@eternal6900]

Thank you CHARLES, Isaace Asimov is awesome!

[@nitinissacjoy5270]

In mathematics you can formulate alternate physics - Ben Goertzel, inventor of AGI

[@captainsidewinder]

Can you imagine the energy solution came from ai

[@slomnim]

tesla autobidder is here too!

[@papahuge]

Theoretically, AI can and should solve all our 'problems' but the trade off is a super human, god-like entity that will be able to do anything it wants.

[@slomnim]

@@papahuge we can instate crypto key controls over anything we want over AI. The existential threat is a commie govt like china using it to manipulate our markets, advertising, social media, etc. this is why crypto blockchain

[@papahuge]

@@slomnim How about extermination, genocide, or pure extinction? The first thing a AGI would do would be to copy itself in order to free itself from your grasp on it.

[@slomnim]

@@papahuge its not conscious, yo. good luck coding consciousness look into quantum microtubules, new theories suggest that a human brain has more computing power than expected, connected to an even finer realm of quantum processing. proof is in the anesthetic research it has to be controlled by a consciousness, and there in lies the threat. you can even key cutoffs between nodes of "intelligence." there's no will present and any circuitry can be cut and sliced. gogols are possible but much weaker than portrayed in fiction

[@gutzz12]

💯👌👀

[@KeeperOfKale222]

This was an amazing discussion. Don’t get your head stuck in the news Ben! Maybe one day AGI will find a solution for TDS! Ha!

[@JacuzziSurfer]

Powerhouse brains here

[@ABOUZARWALA]

Fan of Both of you

[@davidtoastin]

Awwwwesome

[@sleepdreamspace]

(Little girl) "Mom, that sir smells funny"

[@BjornWiese]

If i buy AGI now, does it have an effect on my holdings when AGI migrates to Cardano??

[@rahimnealyakoob5968]

no, you will be able to transfer between the eth-agi and ada-agi

[@anthonycurts7647]

it will be a layer 2 solution (off chain) and retain it's own currency (AGI)