In Here Is a Tragedy | Critiquing Silent Hill 2 (2024)

[@roastpork5437]

Konami in the middle of 1990s "Please, get a team together and copy Resident Evil!" Team Silent "Ummm... no, we'll do our own thing." Konami in the 2020s to Bloober team "Please, get a team together and copy Resident Evil Remake!" Bloober Team "Ok... we'll do exactly that!" ............... ....... ... FUCK!

[@chandlerburse]

@@roastpork5437 bloober literally was the reason the remake isn’t anymore different konami wanted them to do more changes but they said no.

[@chandlerburse]

@@roastpork5437 also the amount of hate for a development team is insane This fandom is a wreck

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@chandlerburse or you're just a butthurt simp who can't take any criticism

[@Gmanawesomeness]

@@chandlerburse agreed, but to be fair they were QUITE hated before SH2R was even announced. That was a big reason why there was so much concern about them being the ones to handle it

[@MisterPAPI-y2d]

That's why the game has a 95 percent audience score on steam. Good job bloober team

[@vicdaman]

I think an insane thing that is happening is that you can’t even have a discussion about things the remake does poorly compared to the original because even if I have a well thought out and expressed criticism, it is only met with “STFU You have the original it isn’t going anywhere! Why can’t SH fans be happy they are so miserable.” The blind toxic positivity has been so tiresome to me, I’m glad to see when someone else expresses the soullessness of this remake. I don’t even think it is completely terrible. But it is soulless and lacks any of the creativity of the original game. We also don’t have the original game on modern consoles because Konami doesn’t believe it is worth preserving so I hate when people tell me “the original is still there.” It doesn’t count if you have to buy a $400 ps2 copy or emulate the game. Thanks as always Ghenry!

[@audiosurfarchive]

It's weird and I highly doubt all of these people actually gave a damn and played the originals, or saw how the IP has been treated for damn near 20 years now.

[@moister3727]

How is it soulless? Been hearing that for a while, just interested to see other points of views

[@krusenator123]

Tf you talking about? Huge fan of the original they nailed it to a fuckin T except maybe a little too much combat and some like delivery and not keeping in the hanging bodies. Fucking retard.

[@Ashtonyss]

The thing is that the original isn't easy for most people to access.

[@Kirisu__Mafuyu]

@@Ashtonyss You can watch a 5 minute video on how to download the PC version in HD. I was able to use emulators when I was 12 years old without any problem, if my 12 year old self could do it, anyone can. Oh, and also if there are people capable of buying a PS5 and a $70 game, they can perfectly buy a PS2 and an original copy of SH2, which is much cheaper.

[@viewtifulvash6068]

I think the reason they chose to remake 2 first was because it's generally the fan-favorite of the series, kind of like how MGS3 is getting a remake because it's considered to be the best game by a ton of fans.

[@audiosurfarchive]

Entirely cynical, cash grabby behavior. The sheer fact this is lauded critically, and weirdly stan'd by people saying "it's not THAT bad, in fact, it's GOOD; you're the weirdo" makes me insanely depressed for the future of vidya standards/critique.

[@chandlerburse]

@@audiosurfarchive i dont think OPs comment is the appropriate place for yours

[@Dopamiin3]

Yeah the new director of the series okamoto stated they remade 2 because when fans think of silent hill, they think of it being psychological horror, and he stated when him and the team were deciding on which to remake 2 fit under the bill nicely and was the most “silent hill” game out of the 4 games

[@brmawe]

Well for 1. MGS 3 is technically the first in the timeline like SH 1 is & 2. I remember from somewhere on why Bloober did 2 first, I believe they said that were more familiar with Silent Hill 2 based off their previous works especially The Medium. Also SH 1 till this day is the best selling game in the series. I'll be surprised if Konami even has the audacity to even mentioned SH 1 at all in there future SH Transmissions.

[@chandlerburse]

@@brmawe MGS3 being technically the first has nothing to do with it thats a poor excuse the original games are far older and in need of remaking far more

[@RoflMaiWaffel]

Ratatoskr has a great video about the Demon's Souls remake. In short, the remake team sought to tweak and change many aspects in the name of improvement, but couldn't really grasp why things were the way they were in the original. They lost sight of the bigger picture. Silent Hill 2 PS2 began its foreboding atmosphere right from the Start Menu. The remake Start Screen is a camera in the toilet? Because its the intro? Right from the very beginning it wasn't looking good...

[@DarkZide8]

Yeah I hate that Start Screen. It's picked as Start Screen because Silent Hill 2 have become mythologized - so if you see the toilets you are supposed to think "ooooh... this is Silent Hill 2..." because that thing is in Silent Hill 2... but if the original had had the toilets as Start Screen that shit would've been mocked and laughed at endlessly...

[@TaxEvader420]

I really dislike the time loop theory that they're hinting at in the remake. For one it makes anything James does pointless, because "everything will just repeat xD". It just doesn't add anything meaningful imo. I always read the corpses of James lying around as his mind "reusing assets", like any given person might show up in a dream. As well as how he felt about himself. The time loop is bad fanfic level interpretation brought into the actual series

[@GuyOnAChair]

It's more a case (at least for sure in the OG, the behind the scenes mentioned it) of foreshadowing or anticipated dread like his body in front of the TV.

[@frankieBcivil]

Or of just literally reusing assets. I believe SH2 is single-layer, meaning it has around 4.7 GB of on-disc storage to work with. Since this was Team Silent's first outing with new hardware, they also doubtlessly weren't being as memory-efficient as they could have been. The ability to re-use James' model seems, to me, as cut from the same cloth as re-using Abstract Daddy as a random hotel enemy.

[@jingiant]

@@frankieBcivil pretty much this, it's nice that fans can find a good interpretation for reusing assets that sort of fits within the story but silent hill games just like to reuse assets, pretty sure you can find angela's model in one of the other games sometimes i think people just never want to acknowledge a game's faults and shortcomings

[@danialyousaf6456]

​@@jingiant I think the devs neither confirmed or denied James being in a time loop so that's why this theory is as popular as it is.

[@chandlerburse]

@@danialyousaf6456 couldnt any of the protagonists be in a timeloop? Alex and Murphy certainly could be. Harry probably too considering Shattered Memories and the bad ending of 1

[@diegogutierrez1405]

I agree with you in some of your critiques, the game is not perfect, but its not as terrible as you point out in your video. I feel that you were predisposed to hate this game so much. Anyways, to each his own.

[@DarkZide8]

I actually felt it was as terrible as he said. The entire time I played this game it felt like a bad action game wearing the skin of SIlent Hill 2. Like... the combat was so repetitive I almost gave up on finishing it. 20 hours is too much and I don't even wanna bother with the extra endings now. How do you fuck up that spectacularly?

[@diegogutierrez1405]

@DarkZide8 20 hours? damn dude, my first playthrough was like 9 hours lol, and i give you the critique about the combat, it was tedious in some moments, but like i said before, to each his own :)

[@Blastertronus]

I’m not really much of a Silent Hill fan, so don’t really have much interns of personal experiences to make a proper judgement on your critique. But all I can say is that I appreciate how bold and bluntly honest you are in this video, and I can deeply sympathize with someone who’s favorite piece of media is redone by some big wig corporation who sucks all of what made the original click out of it in the process.

[@lilsneed4334]

I really liked the remake, think it's one of the better games this year. To me, the remake feels like a pretty good cover of a song you like. It manages to hit most of the same beats, but every now and then there's something just kind of off that catches your ear and it's like "why did you play that note that way" or "why did you change that lyric?" Those little niggling things might not bother someone who has little to no experience with SH2 but if you're a fan, it stands out immediately. Even ignoring the combat which was my personal biggest complaint, there's just some changes I don't understand. Why change the content of Mary's letter? Why remove the bedside conversation in all endings except Leave? Why does Eddie look so stylized when the rest of the characters don't? Why change the comfy bowling alley to a dark, spooky movie theater? (Kind of fucks with the pacing in that part.) I think the best way I could sum up my feelings about it is that Bloober Team clearly understands what makes Silent Hill SCARY, but they don't quite have down what makes it emotionally effective yet. Though honestly, a Silent Hill game being released in the modern day that isn't just kind of mediocre, but is actually GOOD is still crazy to me, especially with Bloober Team's track record. It's a shame that people seem to think that it completely supplants the original, though.

[@GuyOnAChair]

If you look up Eddie's actor (though he's the only one to have a seperate face and body actor) you'll see it's based on a real face.

[@danialyousaf6456]

I don't understand all these negative nancies crying about how awful this remake is or how it threatens to supplant the original. Bloober themselves have stated this isn't their attempt to replace the original (I'm pretty sure even if they had tried it couldn't be possible). Besides, it's on Konami to remaster all the original silent hill games and sell them on modern consoles, bloober isn't to blame for anything.

[@based-ys9um]

The original isn't available on modern hardware. It is replacing it my guy.

[@based-ys9um]

​@@danialyousaf6456you don't care about game preservation and didn't play the og . You tourists are really taking over the narrative. It's disgusting.

[@GuyOnAChair]

@@based-ys9um I would agree but while I want a better official option one would be hard pressed to outdo Silent Hill 2: Enhanced Edition. If you want to play that version, it's in your special place waiting for you. 😶‍🌫️

[@MidnyaDaCow]

This is why i had no interest in the remake, it feels like a poor imitation to me and was unfortunately born because Konami couldn't stop themselves from being part of the remake train as is the usual with these large companies.

[@NotsoKrnl]

I don’t even care about the Silent Hill 2 remake, I appreciate this video and other select few channels that have discussed the hypocritical nature of these recent remakes that just transform everything into a modernized form that removes pivotal design choices that made the originals their own unique media. Video games are art until we use the same metrics of art criticism in other mediums and then all of sudden you’re a hater who doesn’t want people to have fun.

[@DocterBumSki]

Your point already fell off starting with “I don’t care”. Remakes are stupid, YES! But not in these matter SH2 is 20 years old, remake on that game isn’t just justified but it needs to happen. To bring new audiences to the franchise, so went silent hill f comes out, the player numbers will make up profit. But then we’ve got horizon new dawn, having a remake, now that shit is just down right greedy and stupid.

[@audiosurfarchive]

Homogenization and completely extinguishing anything that remotely challenges the player into feeling anything other than the by the numbers, prescriptive and rout retelling (near universally worse at that). _But we should take it on its own merits guys!!_

[@Bruh-ur9ub]

@@DocterBumSki The original game still exists and is miles better. So no, the remake was not needed.

[@moister3727]

SH2 didn't need a remake imo, but in the same way the recent RE4 have done they take the OG game and twists them enough to both feel new and somewhat cohesive with the original. It's their own view, their own interpretation. If the Silent Hill 2 Remake came out with the same combat as the original just to stay true to the original, it would've sucked. Still, I'd say they made some things better than the original ever could. But at the same time, other things were lost in this translation.

[@boobookittyfuck789]

@@Bruh-ur9ubI get what ur saying the original is always better argument but they aren’t making the game for ppl that prefer the original they are making it for new audiences for gamers that didn’t play the original and wouldn’t be able to play it cuz they don’t have the original console or they don’t bother trying to use a emulator becus they didn’t grow up w these games. Also a lot didn’t grow up playing with tank controls so it would be hard for them. That’s why it’s for those ppl not for u u like the original that’s good but I liked the original and the remake they even changed some things for the better. Also remakes aren’t bad re4 and re2 were amazing. Don’t be the old guy in the room saying the original that I gre up with was better. Not saying ur old but that’s the vibe u give

[@noobasaurus117]

You may have a lot of well worded and thought out arguments here, but have you considered the following? Old game bad, new game good. In this 8 hour long video essay, I will explain how every good part of any game on the ps2 only existed because of technical limitations that didn’t actually exist at the time.

[@audiosurfarchive]

LOL More like critical consensus good, dissenting fanoid bad

[@chandlerburse]

@@noobasaurus117 old game better new game bad Two sides of the same coin is all this discourse usually seems to be

[@GuyOnAChair]

​@@chandlerburse Sadly.

[@audiosurfarchive]

@@chandlerburse Its really not that JUST that though, as unfortunately people are reductive or misread what fans of OG are trying to relay as sincerely they can. It seems broadly to be about the cynical, cashgrab nature of SH2R. The remake is defined by the homogenization and a rejection of challenging the player in any and all aspect beyond artifice. I was insanely skeptical of REm4ke but after finally playing it (I refuse to buy any game barring Indies/AA at whatever their full price is) that was an excellent remake that gets damn near everything right it needed to, with only super small nitpicks remaining. Soundless Mound 2 Remake by comparison seems to have missed the point entirely, bloating the game out, homogenization of its game design. --- _"People didn't like the combat right? We need to fix that (by overtuning encounter rates, annoying inconveniences that trivialize the tension of the monsters--as well the jank and uninspired combat in of itself that is floaty, insipid and repetitive with virtually zero variance)!" Also we don't wanna have the player be confused or misled by this nightmare of a personal scenario, better patronizingly signpost everything to the point of absolute braindead levels; OH! And puzzles, which people don't like they just get in the way of the harrowing story of fighting for you life and loved one's memories (r-r-right?), so make sure it doesn't get in the way from the awesome new combat and the pointless busy work of rummaging through stuff in as an unobtrusive and bland visual directions as possible. Even though we're marketing this as a super hard hitting, cerebral story and legendary game, make sure to not challenge the play in difficulty on a mental, physical, emotional and spiritual level. Remember team: the consumer is dumb, and never knows what they want, so make sure to have it such that a child could follow along and feel the David Cage tier direction if the story and visual compositions!"_ --- The cutscene direction, atmosphere, mocap and facial performances are stiff and bland as well the tonal evenness is suffocated more than James's wife from these compounding with the gameplay/pacing bloat. _Its been so "polished" down for mass appeal that is misses the ethos of Team Silent's magic in the first place: transgressive, shocking and genuinely sincere challenges of the young art form of vidya in the early 2000s._ I'm sure barring all but the most ornery of oldhead capital-G, hard-R Gamers™ this is roughly the problem fans of the original, and the IP at large, have with this remake. The critical reactions and weird, culty toxic positivity about the game that came out of nowhere to silence dissenters is a more metatextual critique with the game as well to fan's of OG, but that's only a part of it. _If you read this far, thank you kindly, as it means you give enough of a damn to hear me out and genuinely engage.. and that's honestly more of an earnest attempt at understanding human nature and complex feelings over an artform than what Bloober Team managed to schlorp out._

[@Carbon3979]

​@@chandlerburse its not even new game bad old game good, its that they are taking something that one did not need a remake, making it inferior to the original, charging 70 dollars for a game you can play for free, what am i paying 70 bucks for the graphics who cares about that, I have alot more critiques but i dont want to get into another argument over it but I will say this, If they had just made their own game or hell even their own Silent hill game I wouldnt be so irked by it, why cant they just be creative and make something new instead of another unneeded remake for a game that really didnt need it, I dont understand why people gobble up remakes so much and then meat ride it and defend it so hard, its bizarre is it the graphics or something i just dont get it lol.

[@1theprince1]

I unironically prefer the old combat style, may not be as engaging as the remake but the different movesets you have control over along with obscure mechanics such as blocking + the camera being more "free" thus interesting. Plus, Bloober can go **** themselves for claiming to be faithful then completely removing that stairwell PH scene, hell that entire area is worse in the remake, it's so generic and lame.

[@thedoorman7687]

I really wish Konami would re-release the old games, because all finishing SH2R made we want to do was play those again. There's plenty of developers out there that specialize in preservation and re-releasing/remastering old games with or without the source code like Nightdive and Limited Run Games; hell, Sony has fully functional emulators for PS1 and PS2, a simple port on that would be enough to satisfy me.

[@Ghenry]

Playing the original 1-4 is very easy on PC

[@sean8102]

Sh2 on PC with the enhanced edition mod is IMO the best way to play the OG. It's super easy to find the old PC port as well ;)

[@MetaMetro3]

Silent Hill only exists because Konami wanted a Resident Evil competitor, is it really a negative to say they saw RE2 Remake and thought they should try the same?

[@jacobcarter6221]

Yeah but original silent hill was pushing the envelope and trying new things. SH2R is the safest game ive ever played.

[@chandlerburse]

@@jacobcarter6221 so you wanted them to change things of the game you guys didn’t want anything changed from?

[@chandlerburse]

@@jacobcarter6221 also “safest game i’ve ever played” is a overused statement

[@bigdrippy4104]

I’ve not played the remake and i keep getting stuck in the apartments in SH2 but it feels really weird that everyone is lauding the remake when all it’s done has homogenize and snoozeify the cool stuff of the original. Like, it seems like they turned sh2 into re2remake. In what way is it building on a trendsetting and avant garde game by turning it into a bootleg of the RE2 Remake from like 7 years ago

[@chandlerburse]

You haven’t played it but you’re talking as if you know how it is I have it and i’ve gotten lost a dozen times now because i turn off all the UI and tutorials

[@bigdrippy4104]

@@chandlerburse yeah dude that's why i prefaced it with the caveat that i haven't played it

[@chandlerburse]

@@bigdrippy4104 but it makes your comment less purposeful

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@chandlerburse wow it's almost like there are multiple ways to get information and we don't all have to personally experience everything to know stuff

[@chandlerburse]

@@nathanlevesque7812 can you not bud in?

[@tyke2829]

I didn’t look at the specific sales numbers but I still don’t see how SH 2 at the time was all that disappointing considering it reached Greatest Hits status on PS2 and Platinum Hits on Xbox. Even SH 3, which is a direct sequel to 1 and what a lot of fans consider to be better, didn’t get Greatest Hits status

[@Ghenry]

The "Greatest Hits" threshold is set by Sony, not Konami. The budget for Silent Hill 2 was significantly higher than 1, and sold less than 1. Do your research.

[@BlindedOtaku]

My hills, they be silent as the sea

[@troiaofficial2818]

I'm so jealous of how smooth your game is, what kinda rig you got man? Love your content by the way!

[@Ghenry]

RTX 3080, 32 GB RAM, 16 core processor. It still stutters when it needs to load in rooms nearby.

[@troiaofficial2818]

@Ghenry oh but of course, tis a Ue5 game after all lol. I got a 4070 12700kf combo with 32gb ddr5 and I'm usually gettin about 60-70 fps; but the lows in this game crash it down to 40-50 in the lowly performant spots. Guess my processor suk, as you seem to be getting the sameish fps but better paced

[@CyberDragonEX13]

The game has some positives like the graphics looking fantastic. The only thing is that's really the only thing it's got going for itself. It consistently feels like Bloober team was just going through the motions without putting any thought as to why those events are happening in that specific order and to what end. Another thing that urks me is the sound engineering. The enemies you run into don't creepy or scary as they end up sounding like a small adorable creature which prevents me from taking the mobs seriously sometimes. The nurses lacked any sense of menace or truly erratic behavior/moments. Combine with a lack of understanding with the dialogue and character designs it just comes off as a nice looking, but poor playing game of busy work and being funneled into more linier hallways...oh happy day.

[@JesseAnderson]

It's so confusing that they thought SH2 needed pipe lasers and 8 hours of extra busywork

[@baroquechevalier8516]

Modern gaming man Gotta stretch it out since 5/7-hour experiences dont cut it anymore

[@chandlerburse]

@@JesseAnderson pipe lasers?

[@MisterPAPI-y2d]

Game is great, 95 percent positive audience score on steam.

[@sean8102]

@@chandlerburse Yeah IDK what they mean by that. Don't remember "pipe lasers" in the remake.

[@chandlerburse]

@@sean8102 yeah theres no pipe lasers

[@GuyOnAChair]

I think this might be the weakest review/critique on this channel. 36:56 What is the point of review, critique or anaylsis if we aren't allowed to (or otherwise can't) use it? I intitally saw this remake as a Maria, a pale imitation of something real; and when compared to the prospect of remaking other games, potentially antithetical. That while desired or possibly beneficial, a remake would possibly even go against the meaning of the text. Part of Silent Hill 2 is reliving the past before moving on and in this instance, broadly speaking; the outcome of moving on is up to each persons interptetation or playthrough. But again, what is the point of comment and critique if you/we can't actually use it or learn from it? Silent Hill 2, like Mary, wasn't perfect, and it didn't need to be. What it did was great though, special. Silent Hill 2 remake is also not perfect, and even if I hold it to a higher standard because of the original and because it is a remake; it still happens to be great. The world is better off with two great Silent Hill 2's as opposed to one good one, one bad one and a needlessly botched remaster. (Not to mention a likely terrible upcoming film adaptation.) While I have my physical copy of the original SH2 and the Enhanced Edition, the latter being what I believe is both the best way to experience and preserve Silent Hill 2; I still think the first four games should be more readily accessible regardless.

[@danialyousaf6456]

And you've got these jobbers whining about toxic positivity when this review isn't even a proper one. God when will this shit end ?

[@robbie_o_coelho]

The fact you put Bloober Team anywhere near the same level as Team Silent invalidates this comment. Team Silent weren't "a bunch of losers", Masahiro Ito has already gotten really upset hearing this, they were talented devs within Konami. Stop spreading this blatant underdog myth that does not and never existed.

[@joshuanelson6795]

I'm all for constructive criticism, even if it's towards something I love, but this review comes off as incredibly nitpicky. The characters' body language isn't convincing enough? Really? I hate being that person, but after watching this review, it really does sound like you were predetermined to dislike this remake and weren't going to be satisfied with any version that wasn't the original. To be clear, the original Silent Hill 2 is my favorite video game of all time and I agree with all of your praise for it. However, your criticism for the remake comes off as really shallow and overly biased. Then again, you might say the same for my praise of it.

[@sibel9272]

Dude, he clearly praised some of the changes such as some of the dialog changes. Something tells me you were lying about being "all for constructive criticism" .

[@joshuanelson6795]

@@sibel9272 Okay? Just because he praised a few minor aspects about the remake doesn't mean I find his critiques to be well thought out.

[@sibel9272]

@@joshuanelson6795 Then don't claim he wasn't "going to be satisfied with any version that wasn't the original".

[@joshuanelson6795]

@@sibel9272 I stand by that comment. Most of his critiques (especially the one about body language) give me the impression that he wasn't going to be satisfied with any remake that wasn't an exact copy of the original...or just the original itself.

[@Dopamiin3]

@@sibel9272 brother you've been stalking these comments the past 5 hours

[@jacobcarter6221]

Great video. Glad I’m not alone with how i feel about this game.

[@QuintusCunctator]

I think SH2 Remake is a dream for lovers of Urban Exploration - and I would have said it isn't for SH2 fans... Except, the most astonishing and depressing thing to me is the public's reaction to the SH2 Remake, and the free pass given to Konami and Bloober Team. Konami were apparently pardoned for years of insults to the players, as if they didn't father SH Ascension mere months ago. Bloober Team became a hotbed of incredible talent, as if they didn't father The Medium and other derivative slop, and didn't have the gall of patenting a game mechanic. Players were so starved of decent Silent Hill content that they embraced this remake wholesale, blind to the fact that this game shines only for the merits of the original, and only in comparison to the years of dregs that came before. And lots of influencers having to play it just for timely algorithmic engagement is not helping either. (Sorry, most of this comment is a copy/paste of the same comment on different videos. But I still can't believe the "overwhelmingly positive" reception of this game).

[@thecheeseblock9880]

i guess that the reason why konami and bloober are being lauded at the moment is because this is the only glimmer of hope that this franchise has seen after the four main games were released. all of the outsourced games range from mediocre to terrible, and even though the bloober remake doesn't fully hold up the standard that team silent's works set, it shows a step in the right direction thats what i think i just think the otherworld segments were awesome in the remake

[@GodOfOrphans]

I propose a term for this kind of overly positive reception to the point of revisionist history due to being starved of good content for so long, Filoni Syndrome.

[@based-ys9um]

It's because none of the people praising it ever played the original. But now they want to act like they are tourists. It's disgusting

[@based-ys9um]

It's because none of the people praising it ever played the original. But now they want to act like they are tourists. It's disgusting

[@robbie_o_coelho]

There is an article that proves this game's move toward action was entirely Bloober Team's idea. Look up "Bloober Team is done making psychological horror games", they said they literally chose THE psychological horror game as a catapult toward making more appealing action titles essentially.

[@ZakynthosDiamandis]

I heard in another KZbin video, the Lisa Trevor sub plot was actually unused content that got cut from the original 1996 game, and so was included in the faithful Resident Evil 2002 remake. However, now searching online I can't find a source to support this claim. Anyone know? Either way, it just further proves that Resident Evil 2002 is the best remake of all time and the standard/template of how it should be done.

[@DarkZide8]

Not sure about Lisa Trevor - but Neptune was unused for the original and they could finally add that part in the remake. When it comes to Resident Evil 2002 Remake - the thing is that it is the creator of the original (Shinji Mikami) that made the remake - so he knows better than anyone what he wanted to achieve with the original and how he now finally could achieve those things with the remake.

[@reaverofjillsandwiches]

Great video. I agree with most of what you have to say. It's a shame the o.g. games felt like art and since then the series has become just "buy product and consume product". Most didn't like homecoming, yet it seems we get homecoming mixed with re2make. Neither game I'm a fan of.

[@Misfu88]

Any level headed discussion about the remake can happen a year after its release. It’s the way with any AAA games that mainstream critics consider to be the best shit ever. I enjoyed the game for what it was, but I also remember the audible sigh I left out at the first gate to the city, where you have to crawl for the key. The journey from the hospital, where there’s a fence and you have to drag a box to go over it. Breakable walls everywhere. Constant combat. The one thing I find the absolute worst, and you mentioned it briefly, is how Yamaoka straight up fucked up the music. It’s worse in every way, it’s close to Demons Souls Remake kind of absolutely insulting. Plus the mixing is all over the place, music starting or ending too late/soon. Audio being quieter, more background noise. However the expansion of Heavens Night is absolutely incredible, Eddie as a character in the game and any interaction with him are amazing, so is the fight. Loved the additional scene with Angle, however though that the her pas was told way too explicitly. Labyrinth scene with Mary is shit, though.

[@indieoddjobs4766]

I agree with a lot of your critiques Ghenry and it's unfortunate that people will accuse you of division and close mindedness if you're even a little short of calling it equal to the original. Like seriously I'm so glad somebody else has pointed out how the PH chase scene was weirdly inconsistent. Hell PH in total, while I do feel he was done respectfully, (more than the movies, Homecoming or Book of Memories) he's still missing a lot of his general creep factor since he no long... (ahem) ""rubs"" himself against the mannequins That said, I do think a couple of these critiques feel slightly nitpicky. Like the take on James alcoholism. I think that scene was a nice touch. It's not more effective than having the option to miss examining the bottle but I don't think James' character was hurt by making it a story cutscene. Less subtle? Yeah a little but not worse in a way that hurts the experience The original is still a fair bit better to me and I think most og fans would agree. However I really do have to commend Bloober here. Remaking a masterpiece a cult classic like SH2 and coming out the other end looking better than they went in. Because before I think a concern we probably both shared was whether they would've utterly butchered Angela or not because of their track record. But to my shock they managed to return her unscathed and I'm happy about that. I'll say that this is by far their best game. I know that's not saying much of anything at all and my critique of their previous games aren't going to magically change, but I say this to say, I'm shocked that there's a noticeable growth on their part. It does feel like they've been making an effort to listen to fan feedback which is more than most of the previous devs would do for this franchise post Team Silent, funnily enough. I'm not part of the camp that wants them to go and remake the other 3 games now or anything either but I'll give them their flowers for defying my expectations and delivering something that I can comfortably call my 5th favorite entry in the series. Now will I be checking out their original IP Chronos? Eh.... Much respect and looking forward to your never video Ghenry ✌🏾

[@aaziuskrauze]

Why the hell Maria's head too big?

[@janambro8919]

i tought i was the only one that noticed that.

[@chandlerburse]

Both sides of this discussion are toxic this is probably the most negative fandom i’ve ever seen from either side you go on. “I like game and everyone who doesnt is a horrible evil person” “I hate game and everyone who doesn’t is a shill and a cooonsoomer” Nothing will save us I rather be in Silent Hill than with actual people these days

[@nashtonenigma4014]

it's suprising that the only review for 2 remake I have seen that isn't couched in emotions from either side of the fence is yatzee of all people

[@sibel9272]

Worlds Most Laughable Centrist

[@danialyousaf6456]

​@@nashtonenigma4014 maybe try max derrat's review. Or nitro Rad's

[@danialyousaf6456]

The remake has issues, but it's supposed to be an entryway into the original game/s. The Easter eggs/references to the original are intended to get new people interested in the old games.

[@chandlerburse]

@ the problem is there is zero ways nearly for console gamers to play the OGs

[@theonlybrian]

14:20 "You're only required to find items and fidget with them until the game does what you want with them" is the perfect way to cynically dismiss puzzles in general in any video game, much less a silent hill game.

[@DarkZide8]

But here it is really true though and compare to the original where you had to interpret notes to find out what you were supposed to do.

[@Prodighee]

I just think it's hilarious that "You should judge the remake on it's own merit, don't compare it to the original" my McBroski in French Christ the main reason the game is exists is because of the original

[@innoclarke7435]

There's a fun little middle ground to all of this. Should you compare a remake of a game to the original game? Absolutely. Should you expect a remake of a game to be either the exact same game with better graphics (which, in SH2's case, would be sufficient to make it feel like a difference experience), even if that's not the goal of the project and an unreasonable expectation? No. Should you expect that any and all alterations made MUST be what you specifically deem to be an improvement (a criteria impossible to meet for everybody), also disregard the goal of a project? Also no. And yet we're witnessing both of these situations occurring surrounding SH2R. In the first case, it's literally impossible for this game to feel exactly the same as the PS2 original. Silent Hill 2 is the product of everything that led to it coming out precisely the way it did - the people working on it, the industry, development time, tools, and technical limitations, etc. Anybody expecting the first case is a comically ridiculous fool and moron for demanding the impossible. In the second case, it's almost as ridiculous as the first. Different people working on this remake with different goals ('modernize' the game in some capacity, reach a particular level of visual fidelity, make a longer experience, depict the core plot in a different, somewhat fresh way, etc.) are inherently going to release a different game. The correct approach is to look at this game in PART as a remake of Silent Hill 2, and in PART on its own merits. Resident Evil 2 Remake is a great example of this. As a remake of Resident Evil 2, it's absolutely terrible in many fronts, but as a Resident Evil game aspiring to play like a modernized form of its survival horror formula, it's absolutely exceptional. Thus, my opinion on the game as a whole is of someone that is a frustrated fan of it, pleased where it succeeds, and very disappointed in its failure as a remake. This obvious level of nuance, however, is apparently far too much to ask from modern internet discourse.

[@DEDManGamingWins]

This game feels like a prime example of "they don't make em like they used to"

[@ballacaust]

thank you for keeping 'wait a minute... that card' alive in 2024 🙏

[@otterlypawful]

I really wish I could sit through this entire review, but I had to tap out after a while (32:42). Your nostalgia and preferences are leading you to hypocritical conclusions, like saying Bloober's combat and boss fights are somehow boring/more tedious than the OG's or that the OG let you get dizzy exploring your environments, as if this game somehow doesn't have more elaborate environments and interiors to savor and take your time with. I definitely agree that there's issues with the VO direction in this game compared to the original, but it's hard to compare when both games are going for very different tones (Lynchian vs. naturalistic). And let's face it, while obviously those who are interested in the original games can engage with the OG's camera and tank controls, in this day and age your average player won't. It sucks that it's a design choice relegated to indie games now, but for a franchise that has already suffered a lot from poor decision making, playing it safe and modernizing the gameplay was the smarter and more effective choice (and nevermind that the OG's director has gone on to say that the camera from the original was not his first choice, it was born out of limitation, so do with that what you will). I still prefer the original over the remake but judging by your commenters I'm gonna get bitched at for criticizing your crass statements as glazing Bloober Team and Konami or enjoying slop or whatever other bargain bin insult they can sling at anyone. Definitely not a measured, considerate review considering you gave more props to the Dead Rising remaster, which I felt stumbled a bit more with its changes than this one.

[@audiosurfarchive]

I appreciate ya Gheney, dont let this absolute trash fire of discourse get ya down. I really appreciate and hear you on the outro with your wife. All these people who suddenly can watch the video faster than it takes to.. watch it, telling you to feel bad sbout your opinion; take it in stride, but I doubt itd get you down.

[@bigdrippy4104]

Should never have smoked that shit now I’m admitting to my guilt in bloober team silent hill 2

[@kewlbot]

I like this remake but i cant agree more with mary/maria's performance or the puzzles those were super disappointing, especially at the end when youre supposed to hear the emotion in mary's final letter

[@sibel9272]

Finally comment from someone who isn't a petty child.

[@based-ys9um]

They whiffed alot of scenes in the demake. The Maria jail cell scene and the ending especially. And the letter at the end. Don't get me started on the pyramid head censorship

[@yeez13]

It reminds me a lot of how Capcom did REmake. TO A TEE. While it works (for the most part) in a game where it’s purposely more action-oriented than the original, it’s the exact inverse for SH2. Most of the glowing reviews I’ve seen for the game seem to disregard the MoCap stuff or even the weirdly more action-centric styling this game took in order to place emphasis on how it “does a good job on expanding on/realizing how it’d look if made today” or some ish. Minor Note: one of the better positive reviews I’ve seen pointed out how the Silent Hill Ranch sign was always Comic Sans fonted and how bizarrely many have relegated that to it only being in the Beta Builds; Bloober Team actually has that original sign in the barn as an “homage”

[@chandlerburse]

@@yeez13 didn’t the original use mocap too? Also wasn’t only the HD collection the version where the sign was comic sans?

[@Gmanawesomeness]

⁠@@chandlerburse You are correct on both of those. Not sure what OP’s trying to say with that note

[@yeez13]

@@chandlerburse I mentioned the Mo Cap because I noticed that many reviews missed a lot of the nuances in the performances within the original game that isn’t exclusively in the faces/voices like Ghenry does here. A lot of the time, reviews love to gush on the superficial stuff in a “OMG THEY ADDED AND CHANGED STUFF and here’s why that’s a good thing!” manner that implies that the original was bad/worse because it wasn’t an action/jump scare factory like the remake is while missing the point of things that made it iconic in the the first place. This is why I don’t like to buy remakes/remasters anymore. Not because “new things BAD/‘Woke’” but because they try to make changes that go against what/how the games was going for/ reflected the attitudes of the time while not allowing for the modern “redo” any of what they offered for arbitrary reasons. I would even go so far as to say that much of the hype/bandwagoning for this and the Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster have tainted their ability to accurately discern between good/faithful/necessary changes and flat out just resorting to ideological & dogmatic thinking that reflects on the current attitudes versus the way Societies/Cultures thought at the time that made the original classic even happen in the first place.

[@chandlerburse]

@ all i was talking about was mo cap and the comic sans i didnt need all of that

[@Dopamiin3]

Hey Ghenry I wanted to ask how would you feel about a remake of 4? I know you don’t like this remake but I feel 4 has a lot of flaws that could be ironed out and fixed?

[@Kirisu__Mafuyu]

grateful to see a negative review among a sea of ​​bootlickers who see the word "remake" and buy without thinking twice. SH Homecoming suffered more for doing exactly the same thing as SH2 remake, but at least SH Homecoming was its own game, not a demake of a game so loved by many people. SH2 Demake

[@Dopamiin3]

Homecoming is worse then this.

[@arkill713]

Bocchi of Wisdom.

[@chandlerburse]

@@Kirisu__Mafuyu Homecoming was also a confusingly designed mess

[@Gmanawesomeness]

Homecoming was so much worse than the remake. And it even tried to rip off aspects of SH2’s story anyway.

[@Kirisu__Mafuyu]

@@Gmanawesomeness Comparing the story of Homecoming with the story of SH2 remake makes no sense, one is made from scratch because it is a completely new game, the other is copying your classmate's homework, but badly. If you have played SH Homecoming you know that my comparison is not directed at the story, but towards the combat. and no, I'm not defending SH Homecoming.

[@foxfox1422]

Yeah I'm gonna be honest, it feels like such a cynical remake. Controls revamped so that every modern horror game is a shooter and suddenly James is a ninja with a dodge?? The best thing I can say is they didn't ruin it, but everything new is so mediocre while the good is... literally just from the original

[@Dopamiin3]

Harry and Henry could dodge in silent hill 1 and 4. Are they ninjas?

[@punishedkoopy]

​@@Dopamiin3you're kidding yourself if you think that adorable little hop in SH1 is anything close to a functional dodge

[@chandlerburse]

@@punishedkoopyi really dont think dodging is the same as Leon being able to roundhouse kick but thats how people act about it

[@punishedkoopy]

@@chandlerburse it's not as extreme, but if you go back and forth between RE2make and RE3make, the inclusion of the dodge is night and day

[@Dopamiin3]

@@punishedkoopy dodge 1. "avoid (someone or something) by a sudden quick movement|." Harry "hopping" away is considered a dodge as it's a sudden quick movement which is made to evade enemies. Also I stated SH4 has a dodge mechanic. This is nothing invented by western devs lol.

[@arisumego]

i hate remakes. if you want to play the real silent hill 2, the enhanced edition mod for pc is amazing. also the original script and voice acting is way better, thinking otherwise is delusion

[@Dopamiin3]

Even re1?

[@arisumego]

@@Dopamiin3 veeeeeeeeeerry different situation. "made" by the original creator bringing the true vision of what he actually wanted to make not limited by the technology of the time, and maintaining total respect for the design of the original, maintaining its difficulty, fixed camera system etc. it doesn't replace the original, to be sure. if anything it's an extension of it, a companion piece, even if developed with the express purpose of replacement. another example is shadow of the ninja reborn, where the original developers of the NES title went back and revamped the original, keeping the original foundation while building upon it to totally innovate on what came before with their newfound knowledge and skill. the operant condition here being that they both came from their original creators. it's kind of like if a painter revisited something he made while learning to paint as a child or young man and creating an entirely new work with the original as inspiration, or a musician revisiting an old demo they recorded on a 4 track and finally "completing" it, recording it properly and fleshing out the idea into a full fledged song. what we have here is essentially a shitty fangame made for profit.

[@elruffian163]

I have to agree 💯 with everything you said . both are two different games one is a story of guilt the other is a third person retelling the story and adding action to it for shock value .the original reflected alot of pain i went through when i lost my wife .the remake didn't even make me even draw a tear .kinda felt very hollow,just another cash grab really ,it had all the tools to make a good game but didn't know how to use them to build suspense and genuine fear,and the psychology is a bit off .after all the shit i was just through damn right im taking that drink .the drinking could have been what triggered the black out and James forgetting what he did or given him the courage to do what he did .for all we know he dreamt all this in the car passed out only to wake up and realize what he did and finish what he intended to do.🤔

[@alicobosboi]

"Linearity is king" is what I would describe game design for single player games now. It's very clear in the comparison between the original SH2 and remake. I hope more people will catch onto the lazier game design rather than be wowed by the new graphics.

[@JGSM_JuvenileGeryon]

-> Boober tries to modernise an old game whose technical limitations have aged poorly and would look goofy if unchanged "The game is soulless wuaaaaaa😭😭😭" -> Goober creates their own original game with their own ideas and philosophy while capitalising a bit on the popularity of the only financially successful game in an otherwise doomed genre "They propagate the wrong and dangerous ideas!!1!1!" -> MFW you're not allowed to express different opinions even if a bit radical

[@Ghenry]

They're allowed to make what they want. And I'm allowed to call out their shitty games. Please unsubscribe if you're going to be this stupid.

[@JGSM_JuvenileGeryon]

@Ghenry Sorry, not gonna. I still haven't watched the "No Paradise" analysis

[@RawbeardX]

the feeling when a mid budge Mechwarrior game has better facial expressions and body language than a remake of something that worked decades ago.

[@mattmas6628]

its amazing that Konami decided to remake MGS3 1-for-1 and to expand the gameplay segments of Silent Hill 2. When the clearly better route would have been to recreate SH2 1-for -1 to preserve its pacing (which the remake butchered) and the expand the gameplay of MGS3 which is going to feel incredibly constricted in a modern release with MGSV gameplay. Konami cant do anything right. Except for reusing the voices for mgs3 that was a good call.

[@morkgin2459]

Agreed. MGS3 needs innovation and besides the OG MGS3 is available by master collection. SH2 remake can be faithful.

[@Gyggzy]

The silent hill 2 remake has a 95 percent audience score on steam... Stfu 🤫

[@morkgin2459]

@@Gyggzy If Silent Hill 2 og was on steam, it would be 100%.

[@p.q.6503]

whats the contra song? at 33 minutes somethng. heartwarm alert at 38 minutes btw

[@GeorgeVGuitars]

"That looks boring now" - Excuse me, are you blind? 🤣 "Complain about a drunk customer"... dude 🤣 You don't seem to get the game, which is fine. Enjoy something else.

[@yugotokusatsu289]

He was given a key, Konami wants him to review the game so he did.

[@GeorgeVGuitars]

@ Yeah

[@sibel9272]

@@yugotokusatsu289 Also this means the people who accused him of shilling DRDR because he got a review code for that should shut up.

[@yugotokusatsu289]

@@sibel9272 Facts

[@nickd7036]

After playing REmake 2, REmake 3, The Callisto Protocol, Dead Space Remake, and The Last of Us Parts 1 & 2, this wasn’t the game I needed.

[@sibel9272]

KZbin Commenters grow a fucking brain cell challenge (impossible).

[@arisumego]

demake shills grow a fucking brain cell challenge (impossible)

[@sibel9272]

@@arisumego What demake? No one brought up a demake.

[@Joshua-rp3oc]

You cock riding u in every comment lol

[@sibel9272]

@@arisumego Also I was referring to the comments section of this video, not ghenry.

[@Carbon3979]

if you have something to say, say it clearly instead of some lame meme joke, do you not like that some people think the remake is bad or good or what idk really know

[@alef321]

and then there is Lollirepop or whatever the name is... not a good year for redeluxers editioners imo.

[@TheShadowivan]

While i agree about your stances about this remake culture we are having right now in the videogame industry, i think you are being rather harsh and unfair to this game. Like you really want to dislike this game on principle because of what represents more than what it actually is. You say this game is anti-art, which i believe is some of the most pretentious thing i've ever heard. While i do agree videogames are art...i think a lot of people get too caught out in that. Like you NEED videogames to be art because you are embarassed about playing videogames past your teenage years. So you are not "playing" video"games", you are experiencing art, really taking in it all these art... give me a break. I agree this game is trying to be a third action game that was popularized to the common public by The Last of Us, and it's infiurating that not only it seems this is the only avenue most modern horror games are taking, but its trying to be passed "well if Team Silent had the technology for it, i'm sure this type of gameplay is what they would had intended"...but like you say, the combat in the original Silent Hill was also bad and you suspect that it was included just because they could not release a Survival Horror back then without a combat system. Does this mean, by your own logic, that the original SH team was a bunch of trend-chasing posers? Of course not. The thing is, tank control are dated the same way this style of 3rd person action game will be dated when the next gaming trend comes around. While i agree most of the strenghts of this game come from the original, you can say the same about 90% of remakes. You even admit you believe some of the dialog in the original game was bad and you like some of the changes... Again, while i agree the problem you have with the game are the same problems i and many others have with most recent games made by this "remake culture", you are not criticizing SH2 fairly.

[@radio_shapka]

Thank you for expressing this point. It's really weird how picky and whiny "old school survival horror" fans get today. I like this channel a lot, but this is just childish. Game is good, great even at times, I enjoyed it very much. And it doesn't make me like original more or less. Combat and puzzles in remake are really good and environment looks amazing. I hate that talking about games on the Internet often devolves in some form of ideology fighting, instead of valid and thoughtful discussion and criticism. Makes me just sad we can't enjoy things without putting labels and pointing at the "wrong bad opinions".

[@based-ys9um]

​@@radio_shapkathis demake is replacing the original.

[@DarkZide8]

It's definitely anti-art... maybe not consciously, but this remake is a perfect example of how capitalism and profit-incentive takes something original and reshapes it to be more aligned with market research... I mean - Silent Hill 2 Remake plays like all modern games on the market. It's the death of originality.

[@MrDegenerate28]

Honestly I have nothing but respect for you ghenry But let's be real You was never going to like this game and you admitted it at the beginning of this video that you wasn't going to be open to this interpretation And because of that this video just comes off as an angry old man upset that it's not like The original. Like I get it You have nostalgia and a very fondness for the original but when you say remake is not art I feel like that's the most pretentious shit I've ever heard. Remakes and video games in general don't have to be art or this grand statement in order to be a good game or meaningful it could just be a fun little game and I don't think the remake was trying to replace the original hell if you really are dying to play the original you can go and play it on the PC And if you really want to go down that road the HD collection is right there (Even though that is the worst way to play these classics). At the end of the day I'm all for critiquing But to act like this was ever going to be one for one like the original is silly Because This remake is design for newcomers not old fans And the sooner you guys recognize that the better.

[@nashtonenigma4014]

Alot of it seems to be filled with shit from past videos he made, konamis business practices, his medium video that he still pretty recently responds to comments on, and bringing up his wife's falling out with the series due to personal reasons. he can not detach his emotions when it comes to the remake and it really hurt the analysis overall

[@Carbon3979]

why is the remake for new comers instead of the original, Silent hill 2 did not need a remake and they are charging 70 dollars for a game you can play for free, it feels like they just wanted to bank on a popular old game give it a face lift with some pretty graphics add in bloat and say oh look alot more content has been added when its really just unnecessary. it takes 5 mins to set up a emulator really easy to do, I do agree that they dont have to be a grand statement or art (remakes in general) but this is Silent hill 2 we are talking about not some generic over the shoulder game, the main thing that personally puts me off to it is that it just feels like a greedy copy cat (I know its a remake but still) that only exists to make money instead of making something great, treading old water if you will. I think the idea of remakes in general are just lazy and low effort 90 percent of the time. if they had just made their own silent hill video game I wouldn't be so irked by it I still have my critiques of the remake but I really wouldn't care as much if it was something original.

[@MrDegenerate28]

​@@nashtonenigma4014 And I get it When you're a fan of something you like or that you grew up with is very hard to dissatch yourself from that product. However when it comes on to these remakes if you come in expecting it to be the same thing your setting yourself up for failure you should come in saying is this a good adaptation of the original to the point where someone would be curious enough to play the original Not complain about every single thing they changed.

[@MrDegenerate28]

​@@Carbon3979So I would argue it did need a remake. the fact that a lot of the elements of silent Hill 2 is very dated for modern audience whether that be the camera, combat and arguably voice acting. A lot of people Play the original or probably grew up with the original would be able to tolerate those elements but modern gamers would Not to mention the silent Hill IP has been dormant for years (We can blame that on Konami stupid decisions but I digress) So it makes perfect sense BUSINESS-WISE two invest people into the series by doing a remake of one of the classic games and two is a no-brainer I'm sorry but that's just a facts. I know it's hard to believe but Not everybody is tech savvy while me and you can easily get the enhanced edition and play it hell I recently did it and played OG for the first time but more casual gamers are going to look at that and say that's way too much work or I don't have the patience to do that hence why there's people who never made the jump to PC gaming cuz they just see it as two complex. I can't change your mind on remakes but what I will say is that if you generally think it's low effort to remake a game then You clearly haven't been paying attention or you're just being biased because there has been a lot of love and attention put into a lot of these remakes that adds things or reinterpretate new scenes for a new audience and at the end of the day if you really dislike remakes the OG is still there and we're still getting new releases of the title that have gotten remakes.

[@Carbon3979]

@@MrDegenerate28 this gave me autism, their is that mythical "Modern audience" I hear so much about, so every game must be homogenized because people are to dumb to figure it out or do they just want everything to be the exact same, and what the hell are you talking about emulating is easy their are even youtube tutorials that literally tell you and show every single step and it takes less than 5 mins, if you cant do it you are just lazy and cant be bothered. its like that joke where its Silent hill fan excited to play silent hill for the first time. If you cant do such a easy low effort thing you are not a fan of the game, yeah im just being biased when they sell a game for 70 dollars that did not need a remake all it needed was a proper port but even then you can just emulate, Silent hill 2 is fine on its own, this remake it just copying someone's homework and not knowing the answers or the why but its close enough, oh but what about all the attention to detail like you can go into some of the shops WOW or the hours of bloat I mean extra content added in or the weird looking female faces or the generic third person over the shoulder style gameplay/camera or the crappier cutscenes, or the boring realistic art style but hey the epic graphics are worth the 70 dollar price tag for a product that's a downgrade from the original, I had a friend who never played a silent hill game in his life and he jumped in just fine and finished it he loved the game, is this mythical modern audience to brain dead to have something different duuuurr its not last of us duuur to weird and ew old graphics duuuur. I had genuinely good comments and debates i guess you could call it about this remake that made me reconsider things, but this comment is just moronic and bad, don't bother responding cause im not going to read it I just wanted to say my peace. yeah i just haven't been paying attention lol your not as smart as you think.

[@nashtonenigma4014]

ghenery vs hikkikomori media debate on sh2 remake when

[@Gmanawesomeness]

Would kill to see this

[@blackdragoncyrus]

In the remake version of the hospital hallway scene, I find it hilarious how James and Maria are just doing this half-hearted jog for their lives, lmao.

[@goldengamer-b2z]

17:38 think you I've been playing it recently and the one thing that bug me was too munch enemy placement

[@StardustCrusader18]

Now, this is how you review a video game. You deserve a sub for this.

[@heavenofmyhell2724]

While i don't think the remake was incredibly good, it was pretty enjoyable, this review was bitter for no reason. Also nobody cares about your wife having a hard time playing a game, keep that to yourself.

[@Ghenry]

lmfao you're an idiot. Please unsubscribe.

[@heavenofmyhell2724]

​@Ghenry sure bro, I've only been subscribed since 2018 but if you insist. also congratulations on trump winning, i can only imagine the breakdown you've had when the results came in

[@jii-e7d]

it's not like there is nothing to criticize but this feels like such a complete bad faith criticism that i don't even know if you actually played the game haha.

[@Artesian_mirage]

Agree

[@damian_cross]

This game was Silent Hill 2 Tourism Mode.

[@based-ys9um]

Babies first silent hill

[@frankieBcivil]

Given how overrated and misunderstood the original game had become ever since the release of PT, it was inevitable that something like this would happen. Bloober made the game that so many people have been pretending SH2 was, and it turns out that James Wan is a lot more popular of a director than David Lynch.

[@SpaceJamzzz]

100% true. The original SH2 is one of my favourite things ever, and guys, that game is goofy as shit, we’re all old now and we’re not the remake’s target audience

[@DocterBumSki]

@@SpaceJamzzzfacts

[@frankieBcivil]

Both are goofy, but the original's quirk and kitsch feel more intentional. It helps that I don't view it at all as a horror story. I can't stop laughing when the handgun just poofs into a shotgun poofs into a metal pipe in the new one. Or when he tucks said giant metal pipe into his inner coat pocket. Or when he drinks a V8 and all his blood gets absorbed back through his coat.

[@SpaceJamzzz]

@@frankieBcivil totally agreed on the remake but man for my life I can’t consider the original’s kitsch as intentional, we’re talking about the game where Guy Teehee says pizza in a bowling alley and drinks red bulls off the street

[@SpaceJamzzz]

this is a complete tangent but during Covid, Guy Cihi went on this wild antivax thing on the internet and I can’t quite explain this logically but I feel this adds an unexpected layer of character development to James, like yeah if he lived to see twitter I guess he would go off about Fauci or whatever, wouldn’t he

[@audiosurfarchive]

I love the absolute tire fire that suddenly became the "discourse" around this game where older, experienced fans who love this IP, are suddenly "haters." I agree near 100% and am disturbed that this is considered exceptional. _TLDR CONSENSUS GOOD, DISSENT BAD_

[@Dopamiin3]

@@audiosurfarchive you need to calm down lol, there are some people in the comments that are liking this game or saying they disagree and you are just going after them.

[@sibel9272]

@@Dopamiin3 Well those comments are written by juvenile little shits who can't take a different opinion.

[@chandlerburse]

@@sibel9272 just saying they disagree isn’t the same as what you claim

[@sibel9272]

@@chandlerburse Have you read any of them? A ton of them are shitting on Ghenry for a difference in opinion.

[@danialyousaf6456]

@@sibel9272 a vast majority of them are criticizing him for valid reasons. You're too blinded by your hate to see that. You're literally terrified of people liking the remake so you blindly lash out at anyone who says they dislike the video. That's beyond pathetic man.

[@biguy223]

Jesus, did the remake smother your mother or something?

[@sibel9272]

Well excuse him for having high expectations for a game that is remaking SILENT HILL 2.

[@Bruh-ur9ub]

Wahhhhh I can’t handle opinions that aren’t mine 🤡

[@biguy223]

@@sibel9272 dang, was my joke not too on the nose enough?

[@sibel9272]

@@biguy223 Sorry, I just hate how dumb people in this comment section are.

[@biguy223]

@@sibel9272 it's alright, I thought of using wife instead of mother but one, it would be too obvious and two, probably won't be appropriate because of how Ghery talked about his wife in the video at the end there

[@matrix255]

I'm pretty sure the reason they made the otherworld so similar to SH1 is because they're remaking that game too and they're going to recycle a bunch of assets. I mean remember that bus after the hospital? That's when it clicked I can't remember a bus in OG SH2 however I known there is one right outside the school in SH1. I didn't hate this remake as a standalone game is alright however what I do hate is people saying is THE PERFECT REMAKE or it somehow makes the original obsolete (it doesn't not by a country mile).

[@shrekneutron1587]

He sounds so tired in this lol

[@CaptainComedy]

I think that might be the funniest opening 5 seconds of any SH2R review I've seen. Excited to see if people pile on to shit on you the way they did with Versiris and I.

[@beefy6345]

mirrors edge retrospective NOW

[@Mae4Ever]

On the bright side, we have Shadows of the damned!

[@sgtbathsoap]

Massive complainer

[@sibel9272]

Pot calling the kettle black.

[@imontheedgeofmyseat]

35:00 Metal Gear Solid 4 ass bullshit

[@DarkZide8]

Thank you for making this video. The praise for the Silent Hill 2 remake has really made me feel like I'm going crazy. How you felt is exactly how I felt when playing this game.

[@172frankie]

Damn bro Silent Hill fans can never enjoy anything. Sorry you didn’t like the game.

[@Ghenry]

Apology rejected, as it's not necessary. You didn't make the bad game I just reviewed.

[@X_Jack1995_X]

I’m ready

[@theknowncitizennctl]

Very mediocre critique.

[@sibel9272]

You clearly aren't doing any better of a job at critiquing.

[@theknowncitizennctl]

@@sibel9272 That's irrelevant.

[@navyhusky2020]

​@@sibel9272Grade school level comeback

[@timefades27]

Very reductive and needlessly cynical analysis. For some reason I remember you being a little more tactful in your videos.

[@pksstr]

Same

[@SmokeDemonS]

Absolutely

[@caiopatric]

its been out for 13 minutes. your comment is 6 minutes old.

[@xiopia3940]

Sh2 remake is for jobbers who would've never played the original and never should've had the ability to experience it.

[@TheBreadB]

For a guy who gave No More Heroes 2 a chance this is just so reductive and here to attract controversy.

[@Prodighee]

"Complain about James's model" Legitimate argument. "Complain about the female character designs." Grifting!

[@punishedkoopy]

C'mon, use your head a little bit. People complained about James because his face and animations were ridiculous. Grifters complained about Angela because she wasn't a yassified supermodel. These are worlds apart.

[@chandlerburse]

James model is fine so is angelas Eddies is weird Maria is okay except the outfit change Laura looks odd admittedly

[@punishedkoopy]

@@chandlerburse Frankly, Angela looks *too* good. She's meant to be so gaunt and tired that it's a surprise to find out she's so young. But practically nobody made this complaint.

[@Prodighee]

@punishedkoopy that's literally the same problem people had but with different genders. I rest my case. Good thing there's pc mods.

[@sibel9272]

@@Prodighee Ok griftard

[@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253]

This is the best you will get at this point. Take it or leave it. Done.

[@TheBreadB]

This guy also hates Hi-Fi Rush. Opinion discarded.

[@sibel9272]

Complains about Ghenry being reductive. Makes a reductive comment.

[@Bruh-ur9ub]

Good lord Hi-Fi Rush was boring.

[@RenegadeOperative]

Oof.

[@CallForGrandPappy]

You’re in the minority for this take and rightly so.

[@Ghenry]

Idc

[@GibbyVee]

Im Waiting for a used copy to pop up so i can pump n dump this travesty

[@RealKaiserRyu]

I honestly agree with most of your points here including the bloat and puzzles. However what matters in a Silent Hill game is the horror and story, and both of those are great in the remake. The audio design is killer here. I understand gameplay wise, though, why you didn’t like it, as I didn’t even do a second play through due to how long the campaign was. OG SH2 was super short so I got all the endings.

[@tjkhaled2689]

nah you ppl be doing too much on hating an actual good silent hill game when one hasn't come out for the last 20 years, cmon bud, be better

[@sibel9272]

It's a remake of 2 don't blame him for having high expectations.

[@DrRESHES]

Describing SH game as good... Is that your whole passion you have to the game ? Inside all those people who are hating there is a spark that makes them spend a lot of effort on those long review, ya know ? You write a comment that takes you a less than minute to finish and you describe this game as good ? I doubt that this remake has left the same spark in you that you'll feel strongly about in 20 years, that will make you want to tell everyone else how lackluster their 5th remake of SH2 is.

[@Bruh-ur9ub]

Imagine telling someone to be better because they have a differing opinion. SH fans are cringe.

[@foxfox1422]

"A good silent hill game' my brother in Christ, the good stuff is just what they took from the original

[@bigdrippy4104]

I mean isn’t it good because they’re copying the good game from 20 years ago

[@audiosurfarchive]

Can't wait for people, if theyre still around as they didnt actually care about the SH franchsie as a whole, to b🥴tch and moan about you "being a hater" and "just not liking things because theyre new." Also, you should go be on Boulder Punch's podcast, im sure yall would have a lovely riffing fest as you both give a damn about good games and speak out about the abuses of the vidya industry.

[@TheBreadB]

Boulder punch is a pedophile.

[@UnsungUnderground]

​@@TheBreadB?

[@audiosurfarchive]

@TheBreadB Completely baseless and asinine assumption. Stop glazing for Bloober my guy; if you don't care for Henry's vids, no one is forcing you to stay here. If you can prove otherwise about BP I'd love to hear otherwise.

[@colinstoddard855]

Good video

[@TheExFatal]

It's not that serious

[@based-ys9um]

Yeah who cares about game preservation. What a clown

[@based-ys9um]

Yeah who cares about game preservation. What a clown

[@based-ys9um]

Yeah who cares about game preservation. What a clown

[@sibel9272]

@@based-ys9um Did you need to post that 3 times?

[@DocterBumSki]

This review is just reductive as hell.

[@sibel9272]

Not his fault the expectations of SILENT HILL 2 are so high. Your comment is more reductive than anything else.

[@audiosurfarchive]

It really isn't; the lighting, pacing, facial capture, PACING, emotional impact, _THE PACING_ and especially the stiff direction of the mo-cap all underperformed. Heck the entire direction and _gee, challenging the player in anyway_ was undercooked.

[@audiosurfarchive]

*CRITICAL CONSENSUS GOOD* *DUMB FAN OF THIS **_IP_** BAD*

[@DocterBumSki]

⁠@@sibel9272over glaze much? “Expectations are so high!” Dawg it’s a video game with an art form, that was well done. But it ain’t the key of life, Lord. ☠️

[@sibel9272]

@@DocterBumSki So why remake it?

[@LeeFox1337]

I like how everyone's face is fucked up. And their heads seemed to be proportioned wrong. 10/10 Only FF 7 Rebirth out dose this game in fucking up. But at least FF 7 is still easily available.

[@internettraveler8666]

Bro ain’t nobody buying a game with tank controls in 2024

[@audiosurfarchive]

They literally will. Conscript, Signalis, Crow Country, etc. What you mean is a dumb dumb AAA consooomer who doesn't want any challenge via art/Vidya.

[@internettraveler8666]

@@audiosurfarchiveyeah games have to make money

[@sibel9272]

Those games did make money, can ONE commenter say something while using their brain?

[@Draconated]

Is this comment a joke? The original SH2 had optional tank controls.

[@rando843]

You are right but you got it backwards People absolutely buy them it’s just that AAA devs won’t do them, and honestly? People should come to terms with that cuz you’re not getting them back I prefer them myself but trust me you’ll feel better once you accept that they’re not coming back as much as we all want them to, the industry is too stupid to cater to it

[@audiosurfarchive]

What a surprise: Bloober Team bungled it. And idiorts that never played the original cry and complain "JUST LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS 🥴" and not realize how butchered and embarrasing this is for a legendary franchise.. what a shame.

[@Mclucasrv]

nah even people that dissected the game is lovving it it is what it is and people love it sadly.

[@TheBreadB]

You haven’t even played the game, right?

[@audiosurfarchive]

​@@TheBreadBI have played both and am entitled to my opinion bubby

[@fullmetalbleachnote]

I played both I enjoyed both Your strawman is now destroyed, go build a new one

[@sibel9272]

@@fullmetalbleachnote Point is, KZbin comments are written by some of the dumbest people on the internet.