Kick-Ass | What It Means To Be a Loser

[@jonnysac77]

Damn, I didn't know the comic had such a vastly different vibe, I didn't think that goofy, action-comedy movie would be based on something so cynical and depressing, seems like a more faithful adaption would be well received since cynical takes on superheroes are kinda in now

[@IssueOneProductions]

The comic is 10 times more enjoyable, character arcs, deaths, etc

[@amuroray9115]

@@IssueOneProductions damn! I’ll check it out

[@IssueOneProductions]

@@amuroray9115 and its only 3 volumes with a happy ending, (I won't spoil it)

[@stephonmanny7555]

If I remember correctly the movie was base on the premises of the comic not the actual comic.

[@Puuuurrrr]

If you’re interested in something similar there’s this series called Sweet Tooth on Netflix but it’s original comic is fucking depressing

[@waffledeeez]

Tbh I'm glad that the movies didn't go extra edgy like the comic. People need to understand that they are gonna grow out of their "I'm sooo cool because I like this edgy comic book" mentality and find out that their edgy phase was kinda dumb as hell. Plus is it really that bad for a comic book movie to have fun and not fully be realistic?

[@monarch6662]

It's not technically bad for the movie just disspaointing especially once you get into Kick-Ass 2 and the version in the comics just vastly surpasses the movies

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Idk, I still enjoy it years later. Not because it’s edgy but because it made the smile chemical flow in my brain

[@hiimjoe6768]

tbh it gives off not that much edgy character feel, but more of depressing and dark

[@rentalsnake6542]

Sick of anything that isn't just another fun, commercially successful, throwaway movie being called "edgy".

[@mdtisthebest6249]

@@rentalsnake6542 Same here.

[@HareRaisingRobot5]

Now I'm not a Mark Millar fan, so keep that in mind for what I'm about to say. I believe Mark gets a lot of unwarranted criticism for his writing. Are his stories violent, disturbing, patronizing and sometimes even juvenile? Yes, but what many people don't seem to understand about his writing is that he is critiquing the readers for wanting the " exciting comic book life". Mark is trying to tell his audience "Oh sure, comic characters live exciting lives, but they are filled with tragedy and YOU would not survive or come out unscathed if you did what they did and would not want it much longer if put in their shoes." Basically, he's telling readers to appreciate the life they have and that if you spend more time daydreaming than in the real world, then you need to touch grass and find meaning that won't put you in harm's way.

[@principalitycidade4323]

They say he is Edgelord try hard

[@fightingmedialounge519]

That's a generous reading of his work, but that doesn't combat people's criticisms towards some of his work. It just makes intentions behind them more understandble.

[@joshapples88]

I completely agree with what you said. Thats why these stories stick out & are great. Great to see a more grounded take on super heros . They wouldn't always win. They would lose & have tons of tragedy.

[@cmnidit4444]

@@joshapples88 tons of tragedy makes a story boring. walking dead for example. the stuff he pulled with kickass makes sense for a comic but for movies hell nah.

[@ricaard6959]

Oh now I see why the story is so weird and unrealistic lol. Like this whole I'm thinking "an ugly, weird, socially inept, retarded and somehow manipulative loser, puts on a costume, goes out and gets beaten the shit out of continuously? But that's not realistic in any way". This shit written by an idiot who believes in Just world fallacy, like I was gonna buy the comic but now... no thanks.

[@BlindedOtaku]

As someone who saw this movie once from one of those bootleg dvd's sellers that walked around my city, this was a great video for someone who knew little about the film or the comics. I'm glad you don't feel obligated to just 'make video game videos', but sucks that you ended up having a lot of problems trying to release this video :( Thank you nonetheless for another great video, can't wait to see the next.

[@MechanicGopher]

I just rewatched Kick-Ass 2, after reading the comic for the first time, and I realized something funny that came to me while watching this too. Both films are great, faithful to the comic, making changes here and there that I think work for the better, then completely go over the top and ruin it, changing everything, in the final act. They did the same thing in both movies!

[@atlas9344]

I tried to read the kick ass comics but man, it was literally just too depressing for me I couldn’t do it 😭

[@Owen_005]

Whilst the film is a lot less darker than the comic I still think the film’s interpretation of the characters are just as enjoyable. Rami’s spider man isn’t that accurate to the original ditko comics but tons of people love the Rami films and even take them as gospel for how spider man should be written.

[@Douglasman123]

I love the first two Volumes.. But I felt the third book was meh. I never really liked the idea of trying to make Chris / Red Mist a somewhat sympathetic and redeemable character . Anyone who read vol 1 and 2 will know this character was beyond redemption.

[@gentlemanmaniac9992]

I would like to see a tv series (animated or live action I'm fine with either) that's more faithful to the comic.

[@Testsubjex]

I read the comic and I would say the same thing as you to my friends tv is scared to make characters like Dave who are really flawed and are mostly assholes I also like that Dave didn’t get with Katie it makes it feel more real the comic shows what it’s like if actual nerds dressed up as superhero’s of course they are gonna get their asses kicked and of course some of them aren’t gonna be as likable

[@bradenmccormick3419]

Been a while since we got a movie review from you. Really liked this video man!

[@dr.albtraum7173]

So the book is another nilistic take down on the superhero genre? Where everyone is awful because it's more gritty and real?

[@ericbluemusic]

I would really like you to do a documentary on the follow-up books and movie. I'm gonna read the books after this video. It was that good!

[@themightycrixus1131]

"Sexist trope" i hope you are joking

[@bigdumbjosh]

I got burned so bad I had to move to a boiler room, and invade people in there dreams.

[@OnePunchYume]

Neat use of Travis Touchdown's motel theme.

[@adeptdamage3669]

You should cover more Kick-Ass.

[@fudgepopdog3854]

Grew up with the comics and movie. I enjoyed both especially when younger, but even back then I was annoyed how unrealistic the movie got by the end. The main appeal for me getting into it at the time was seeing a comic book nerd loser in real life try to be a superhero. The further they got from that the less I was interested.

[@KingCJThomas]

The movie is way better than the comic imo, the comic is just so unnecessarily dark as an attempt to try n be “realistic” but no bro sometimes it makes sense and other times it’s just too much like they’re trying too hard

[@mee091000]

I disagree. The whole point of the comic is to be dark because that's what vigilantism will get you once you try to stop the wrong people. You say it's over the top and edgy but in reality it is not. Criminals will do inhumane things to instill fear in others. Every punishment you have seen in that book is happening to someone somewhere every single day. The comic also exists to make fun of people that will generally say traditional superheroes aren't real heroes and how their edgy dark favorites are. Big Daddy embodies this concept pretty perfectly. He's a complete hypocrite in the sense that he himself was inspired by real heroes that would want nothing do with him. He's literally worst than most of the villains in his comic book collection.

[@andraw4002]

The first book is definitely better than the first movie, because it consistently conveys its message through out the story (being a superhero in real life is cruel and punishing), instead of Dave saving the day with a bazooka and jetpack. The second movie is bad.

[@BeaudaciousFilms]

The comics will always be there. I like the movie more but I also really like the comic. Changes had to be made from the source material because the tones are drastically different. If the movie was JUST like the comic then I'd just read the comic so I appreciate how different they are.

[@huey_kind611]

Kickass and hit girl getting together in the second movie made me viscerally disgusting

[@kissairashaegawa8555]

Truthfully I love the movie. I read the comic afterwards but it feels like you said and like I feel for most dark stories and stories with bad endings. They feel like they try hard plus at times they feel easy to write. Basically questioning the opposite of what would normally in a hero/action film.

[@IssueOneProductions]

The comic doesn't have a bad ending, Dave becomes a cop and Mindy goes off to fight crime elsewhere as a teenager

[@Mandibularmenace]

@@IssueOneProductions Arguably the best Mark Millar ending

[@corysmith564]

That's just Mark Millar being himself at the most immature expense in order to "shock" his audience, which always results in adaptated movies becoming way better than his own works.

[@Mandibularmenace]

@@corysmith564 True. Also, I feel like he lightened up a bit recently with stuff like Jupiter's Legacy and Huck, but now it's like he's just writing shitty happy stories to spite people who call him out on his edge.

[@corysmith564]

@@Mandibularmenace Mark Millar can at times be a very good writer which is evident in Superman: Red Son, Wolverine: Enemy of the State, Civil War and Superior, if he has a good restraint on himself.

[@FemboyCatGaming]

I think what it comes down to is that Kick-Ass the movie is a an r rated super hero flick with some parodic elements while the comic is more of a straight up deconstruction.

[@AG_Speaks]

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[@greyhedgehog7021]

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[@MoisesHernandez-sw5pt]

Kinda ironic tbh

[@tster]

@@Dynamo33 this 100%

[@cmnidit4444]

@@Dynamo33 yeah, it is honestly a really mean spirited comic and the only reason why its not a shit comic is its at least well done and doesnt follow any stale concepts. i remember even when i read the comics in middle school i thought "isnt this like... a bit much?"

[@FishfaceTheDestroyer]

The comparison with Spiderman kinda makes you realise how a lot of modern superhero films are dismissive or even contemptive of the people that these heroes are saving. In the MCU or DCEU, the good guys are good because they beat the bad guys. In Raimi's Spiderman, he was good because he helped the people.

[@exlpod]

that's why I love spiderman 2. it shows peter as a genuine guy that just wants to help people in need. the fact he ran into a burning building to save a child while his powers were gone show he's the peoples hero and not somebody that the government uses to fight world destroying aliens.

[@mikemorro140]

I don't know about that especially in films like First Avenger where they show why Steve is a good person

[@tutumazibuko2510]

@@mikemorro140 Exactly, same thing with a majority of MCU movies, same with WW, Shazam and Aquaman.

[@subbywubby2070]

that’s just Spider-man’s entire thing in general though. In my opinion I don’t think it’s an issue with modern superheroes because Spider-man’s personal is being a “friendly neighbourhood” superhero. Characters saving the world from mass destruction simply aren’t written to stop and save the average person

[@subbywubby2070]

*spider-man’s persona

[@ichigo9171]

I actually like some of the changes. The movie was more of a parody than a deconstruction and that’s fine. The only thing I think I agree with is how Katie was handled. Really pointless filler fluff with how the movie did her.

[@marknutt4398]

The movie version was meant for the “movies” while the book was completely nuts ‼️ like not meant for movies it’s meant for *HBO*

[@BadFilm1]

that's true, the first movie does at least have value in that they went full comedy on it.

[@BadFilm1]

@@marknutt4398 Kick-Ass HBO would be AMAZING, damn

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@BadFilm1 It's already a thing. Watch Homelander. Also, piracy > streaming services.

[@BadFilm1]

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v nah man, The Boys and Kick-Ass are very different concepts even if they are satires of superheroes, also i'm not saying that Kick-Ass HBO would be cool just because you could stream it on HBO lmao, i'm saying because HBO produces quality shows with creative liberty, like Watchmen HBO which was amazing. piracy is cool and all but fact is that HBO makes cool shit.

[@Eli-ip3jx]

I kind of agree , we get tons of cynical takes on superheroes but kickass was way different than most of them and isn’t mindless cynicism and it’s the character’s fault why things end up the way they are and there is a point to the edge. *Cough cough* the boys comic *cough cough*

[@adeptdamage3669]

The Boys adaptation was phenomenal.

[@Eli-ip3jx]

@@adeptdamage3669 absolutely I just have some problems with the comic in comparison

[@nathanalexander5598]

How can "The boys" be consider cynical?

[@Eli-ip3jx]

@@nathanalexander5598 the comic itself gets kind of edgy sometimes like literally all dupes with like 2 exceptions being bad in every way possible, mm entire backstory, and many other pointless moments that don’t add to the narrative,aren’t funny and are just kinda edgy, that being said the comic also has many great and hilarious moments but the characters can look more swallow in comparison to the tv show

[@nathanalexander5598]

@@Eli-ip3jx Isnt that the whole point of it? I mean atleast the comic is TRYING to be realistic about supes and lets not kind ourselfs think that "People are good by definition" an what not, the author knew thats not true an applied it to the idea of superpower being a norm

[@GiantTabby]

Wow the comic version sounds nuts. Also that BoJack clip is so hilariously relevant, it also makes me sad to see changes made just to sell out with whatever is safe. The movie Kick Ass never left a huge impression on me. Only thing I remembered about it before watching this video is it came out during the Real Life Superhero movement. Real people legit made costumes, patrolled their home cities, and had MySpace profiles.

[@justanothergabs4710]

The comic is great, there are three parts and this video only talks about the first one, it has a satisfying ending and it's overall short, definitely recommend it

[@dandywaysofliving]

That last part could be something I would watch 12 videos on. I'm gonna search for it and see if it was recorded elsewhere in history

[@thebluemorpho2962]

Lmao I remember that if anyone doesn’t know look up the downfall of Phoenix Jones

[@supahcomix]

There’s still a ton of real life superheroes, what they do isn’t beat up thugs and save the day, they help the people and give to the homeless, their approach is much better than what kickass did

[@baratacom]

It just dawned on me that we had both Quicksilvers interacting in this movie.... I mean, I knew about Kickass, just never noticed Evan Peters giving weird looks as his friend

[@stephenthedude4383]

Oh shit lol

[@untitled3426]

There should be a Kick-Ass miniseries. I feel it would benefit an adaptation of this story more than a movie since it has more time to develop its plot and characters.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

And then you see the self defense community judging it’s sense of realism

[@chelronin7843]

the romance was pretty terrible tbh it didn’t have to be mean like you said, cynical and depressing isn’t automatically better, but it should have least been a little more realistic. You definitely do sound upset that its not depressing enough lmao which is fine cuz i also enjoy depressing media but idk completely cynical superhero stories have been done much better than kick ass. The movie at least has a unique identity that the comics failed to establish. I love deplorable main characters but there comes a point where it has to be reasonable or else you’re just being unnecessarily edgy

[@guilhermehank4938]

My problem with edgy and passive aggressive "deconstruction" writing is that well Life sucks and we get enough misery irl, comics are an escape. If we wanted deconstruction and how everything sucks, we can just look out the window. It's escapist fiction that writers like Mark have a deep hatred for

[@TheAnimationStationTAS]

@@guilhermehank4938 then don't read it. I know this is typically an overused and improperly used phrase, typically to deflect criticism, but this isn't criticism, it's just denouncing a type of artistic expression because you dislike it. And just to let you know, I'm not mad or anything.

[@BadFilm1]

the thing that was subversive about the depressiveness of the comic is that the "villains" of the story were Kick-Ass and Big Daddy, if you think about it, they were egotistical assholes who tried to force a comic fantasy into their real life, completely disregarding other human lives, even their loved ones. it wasn't a story of shitty things cynically and randomly happening to innocent people, it was a story and a character arc of shitty things happening to shitty people making shitty decisions. what's totally true is that the comic's ending kinda sucks lmao, Kick-Ass doesn't really learn anything until the 3rd comic and it didn't need to go on for that long.

[@marcoalarcon9119]

@@guilhermehank4938 Not everyone treats comics as an escape, though it is true that being depressing and cynical is typically taken too far and works usually go overboard with them due to thinking that these two things make them "realistic". What it results in is those works becoming what was said above, absurd and edgy. Depressing and cynical aren't the only things that add realism and make a work realistic, nor are they the only things that exist in life. Then again, people seem to glorify those that are depressing and cynical, in spite that there are many more traits that can be seen and expressed by people.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Not really Auora. Their not really shaming anyone or denouncing a whole genre, just saying how they feel about certain types of stories. Telling don't read isn't helping them or you.

[@johnnybensonitis7853]

If I remember right it seems like the movie and comic were both produced simultaneously, so at times one would outpace the other and vice versa. I think this led to each taking various bits of inspiration from the other which can be seen in the final products.

[@themangoman9315]

Yet another thing it has in common with Scott Pilgrim I swear the late 2000s to early 2010s were the golden age of indie comic movies

[@depravedsouls9975]

@@themangoman9315 could you recommend some good ones?

[@themangoman9315]

@@depravedsouls9975 let me think there are the losers and kings men

[@destroyazoid2060]

Hannah

[@johnnybensonitis7853]

@@themangoman9315 Never understood why The Losers went with a PG-13 rating, felt like a handicap against the movie that it still worked with pretty well considering.

[@renemartinez3451]

6:10 Calling the comic characters "lovingly terrible" is a bit generous. The only part that applies is "terrible." It competes with the Boys in terms of how irredeemable it tries to make certain characters for the sake of cheap "shock and realism." I appreciate what the redemption character arc was TRYING to do, but if Dave was shot and killed in the first issue and ended there, Millar would have made the same point that he wanted without dragging out patience with the characters.

[@facuuu2809]

I believe the same lol, thought I was weird because of it

[@ventusvanitas7544]

Explain that last part?

[@condemns]

@@ventusvanitas7544 i think he's saying the whole 'realistic superheroes would be nutters and die horribly' thing the comic had going is weakened by the fact that for the narrative drama dave actually becomes a superhero, despite the satire aspects. 'stupid kid wears a superhero costume and gets shot in the head by the first goon he finds' is more "realistic" and truer to the comic's thesis, but wouldn't be an entertaining story despite actually being in line with the moral

[@cmgvillager]

As someone who loves the movie, I really hated Dave getting the girl… Outta everything I wish they kept it the same like in the comics. Everything else I’m ok with the changes, I do see your perspective tho but I feel like I got more inspired by movie Dave than comic Dave. I also felt bad for big daddy he genuinely did love his daughter in the movie and his wife. Just didn’t have the best intentions in training her into being a killing machine… Regardless you can tell that was his strange way in protecting her in the movie version at least, like he really hates Frank D’ Amico for ruining their lives. I like how the movie is less cynical. I could point out some other things I enjoyed but, that’s my perspective enjoyed the video.

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

Much prefer the movies personally. I like the heartfelt parody better than the cynical and depressing edgefest that’s the comics

[@Weremoogle]

Same.

[@papetogaming]

Vice versa

[@islandboy9381]

I find the fact Dave still gets the girl after flat out lying like a creep in the movie more disturbing than his shitty moments in the comic lol, maybe because the rest of the movie is more lighthearted by comparison.

[@manicassassin4542]

I always interpreted Nick cages voice interpretation of the character as a way to disguise himself. So if he ever gets called into a criminal lineup and is forced to repeat the words of big daddy he. Wont... Sound.. The same... I personally really liked this. As it makes more sense. Its kind of his version of the batman voice.

[@penutpickle5437]

Okay, I know you brought this up many times but I don't feel like you fully explained the point. What I'm talking about is saying "This wouldn't have worked for a movie" in the sarcastic tone. That's literally it. Comics and movies are just two completely different mediums. Characters in comics can be as messed up as you want. It works in the comic and fits its tone nicely. However, in movies, there's a different standard. Characters in movies have to be more likable. People can find the abusive relationship between BigDaddy and HitGirl interesting in the comic and like the quirky and strangely endearing relationship they have in the film. Most people I've talked to about the movie and comic thought so. Also, I don't think the movie jumped the shark in the third act. I think that's where they actually benefits the most from the changes. Because we're invested in the characters and the tone is different from the comic, I think the movie escalates nicely to a point where the audience is ready to see an awesome jetpack with miniguns.I don't want it to look like I'm just accusing you of not liking the movie because it's different from the comic and different=bad. I really don't think that's what you're getting at. I think this is just a case of you preferring the tone of the comic compared to the movie. I can see how the movie may look worse when it is so similar in most aspects but different in tone. At least we can both admit the Kick-Ass 2 comic was leagues above the movie, right?

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Not necessarily. You can have movies that focus on conventionally unlikable characters that still are well received by audiences.

[@joshgroban5291]

Disagree, there are plenty of movies where the characters are unlikeable and messed up. Just look at American Psycho. Bateman is a hypocrite, narcissistic and delusional but he's a great character in the context of the story. The other characters are mainly assholes say for a few. American Psycho was a commentary on the world at that time which is why people found it understandable and enjoyed the movie.

[@penutpickle5437]

@@joshgroban5291 Patrick Bateman was a serial killer, not a superhero. Yes, there are TONS of movies where the main character can be unlikable, but that was rare practice for a superhero film at the time. It's still kinda rare practice for superhero movies.

[@3SCAPER00M13]

I like the Sly Cooper games.

[@zoidsfan12]

After having kind of confronting how pathetic I had let my life had become a few days ago this really hits home. I think it's similar to the effect mushuko tensei has (haven't gotten around to reading /watching it). It forces you to really confront who you are why you like the things you do. For comic book fans and shounen manga fans it is often a power fantasy. The reader wishes they had that amount of control in their own lives, they see the characters act out deeds they want to be known for. Ostensibly the reader is living their fantasy vicariously through the comic. In a way this is why people consume media in general but comics specifically hit on that vulnerable part of the psyche. And it's good, like oftentimes stories like this are exactly what a person going through that vulnerable stage in their life needs to read. It just is important to understand that the media that resonates with you does so more than just the appealing designs, there are deep psychological processes that underly it all.

[@riqofromtha_6]

Wow. Very true

[@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario]

It’s also due to other fans of the media, going through the pains of life wether it was an abusive household, partner, or a struggle to keep on going Stories help us inspire us, it shows that there’s food in the world…especially now with all this hate, conflict, ridicule, to see heroes fighting villains, good vs evil, even going beyond that to discuss messages, how thing should go, what to do in life Stories, teach us, they inspire us to do better, they teach us the lessons we may need in life, they let us relax with people who may not exist here but in our hearts and they let others see different types of worlds escape the confines of reality Sure it’s arguably gotten to the point where some companies will try to radioactively try to use art to gain money…but that doesn’t devalue it, no matter how many slop of cash grabs exist in the world…there’ll be stories to inspire us to make us feel free…and give us hope in this world, for art inspires change

[@Harryeaster]

My interpretation of the changes in the movie seemed more like something that Millar wanted, because he seems to know that movies make more money. The comics on the other hand, like most of Millars writing, just feels like pointing his finger at the fans and laughing at them. Millars writing to me always feels like pure contempt for his readers. He knows he can write what he wants, because someboy will always defend it, even when the characters themselves are laughing at the audience. But modern comics are (in Millars mind) crap anyway, so at least he can milk the cows until they give blood instead of milk. And the sad thing is, he actually has talent. But he doesn't want to use it. Say what you want about the boys, but that series at least became something more than just an eff you at Superheroes and had some humanity and depth to it.

[@brandedaheretic3526]

Damn

[@guilhermehank4938]

Thats what I hate about writers like Mark. They hate the genre and fans and yet are 100% ok with milking both. Kind of make them look like assholes that have no right to judge

[@mulder13x59]

Na we need a few writers like him too keep things in perspective. He doesn't like typical superhero stories. He has the right to write his versions. All the ones I've read have been great. He obviously loves the comic medium he just has his own feelings toawrd superheroes and he turns it into some great shit. Lately he's been doing less superhero stuff too. Now that he has the deal with netflix. And even before that he had American Jesus and Chrononauts. Hes not my all time favorite but Id be full of shit to not see he's one of the better writers in comics right now. To many stand out books to not be an important figure in comics. If he really wanted to milk super heroes he could've been the one to shove old man Logan into the main marvel universe and wrote the ongoing series after that. He coulda been the one to to write civil war 2. He writes short concise stories and gets the fuck out

[@AbelDuviant]

I definitely disagree about the boys (comic version, at least)

[@fightingmedialounge519]

No one is saying he doesn't have the right to write what he wants Mulder; it's just that people also have a right to criticize it

[@ScarecrowTalks]

I disagree with so many points made in this that I don't even know where to start. I guess I'll start off with saying that I've seen the film nearly 200 times at this point and I've read the comic once or twice every year since its original run was completed. I love both the comic and the film and I respect both Interpretations of the story and how different they are from one another. The film still stays true to the comics original plot and primus while making a lot of necessary changes and a few that were not so necessary. Getting into the very few things that I agree with you on, I agree that the Jet pack scene and the entirety of Dave and Katie's relationship is stupid but as for your other criticisms I couldn't disagree more and I have my own thoughts on. Starting off with the characters more specifically Dave. As far as the Character of Dave Lizewski goes he's STILL just as big of a loser, idiot and a perv as his comic book counter part. The only real difference between his character in the film and in the comic is that the film made the wise decision to not make his character a total fucking creep, in doing so this makes him more relatable and more likeable as a character and its something that always bothered me about him in the comics. Moving onto Hit-Girl/Mindy, to say that she doesn't seem as emotionally attached to her father in the comics couldn't be more far from the truth. Her father in both the comic and film serves as a driving force for her character, more specifically her love for him. Multiple instances show that the two genuinely do love and care for each other immensely and I honestly don't get where you got that from but regardless, the relationship between the two of them is a big stand out of both iterations. When it comes to her father (Big Daddy) I have no idea where the hell you're coming from, no offence obviously but from my perspective his movie counter part is just as dark and twisted as his comic version. I honestly didn't give a shit about the comic version of him after it was revealed that he wasn't an actual cop and that he lied about everything to his daughter and I never even think about him when thinking about the comic, He's just not as memorable and I genuinely don't care for him that much. Admittedly it was an interesting twist, but it was only interesting because of the shock factor and unexpectedness of it. As someone who has read the comic so many times, I can honestly say that the movie version of Big Daddy is a huge improvement over his comic book counterpart and here's why. Damon Macready in both the film and the comic cares for his Daughter and loves her more than anything but that's where the similarities end. Big Daddy in the comics had no redeemable quality's as far as I'm concerned and in my opinion was by far the most cynical thing in the comic, and don't get me wrong I love the cynically tone of the comic but not when it flat out ruins a character. Damon Macready was a piece of shit from the start, even before becoming Big Daddy and by the end when he dies you feel nothing. The film on the other hand is the complete opposite, so many of his moments in the film are so memorable because he's not just a miserable piece of shit with too much time and money on his hands. His odd, dorky and sometimes "Cringy" personality shows the kind hearted and loving man he once was and in some ways he still is, in my eyes makes the fact that he pulled his daughter into a war that he wagged and all of his violent acts that more impactful for his character. In my opinion having him be someone who was once a good man now clouded by anger, hatred and darkness makes him much more relatable and memorable than a throw away character whos sole purpose was to serve as a shocking plot twist. (Fun fact, Nick Cage improvised the way he talked in costume and he was doing an Adam West batman impression which makes since given his dorky and cheesy personality.) As for Red Mist, his character was so different from the comics, in the comic he was a spoiled and evil piece of shit and far more sinister than the film version of his character. I like both versions of his character but once again the films depiction of him is an improvement. Having Chris be Dave's equal works far better here in this case because both of them are nerdy and complete losers and both of them won't the same thing....a sense of belonging and importance. Dave wants a more interesting and exciting life, to be someone important instead of being just Dave Lizewski the loser and Chris wants the love and acceptance of his father and to feel a sense of belonging and importance in his dads life. Chris is a good kid in this, misguided yes but he's not horrible, in fact he cared a lot for Kick-Ass and didn't want him to get hurt. This is why for me and most people who saw the movie (even if having read the comics) it came as a shock for Red Mist to shoot Hit-Girl. Because even though it was completely expected for something to happen when confronting Hit-Girl and Big Daddy, it's because of the changes made to Chris as a character to be more playful and light hearted that it came as a shock to see him pull a gun and fire at Hit-Girl. When I first watched the film I honestly expected some kind of ambush as opposed to him pulling a gun like he did in the comic, there for still making that moment in the film effective. My closing thoughts on all of this, I enjoyed the video and its always nice to see someone talk about my favorite film and comic book series of all time but that being said I think you were looking at the film the wrong way. The film is more of a Dark Comedy that stays faithful to the source material despite ending differently, but this is forgivable given the fact that the comic didn't even have an ending yet. While I didn't care for the Jet pack scene or the fact that Dave ended up with Katie, everything else about the movie is so great that it hardly matters in my eyes. Anyway thanks to anyone who actually took the time reading this and as for you, I really hope you read through Kick-Ass 3 and the Hit-Girl prelude to Kick-Ass 2 both of those are great reads and Kick-Ass 3 is a great send off.

[@Dr.AutismGod]

I interested to what he would have to say to this.

[@windghost2]

@@Dr.AutismGod If he responds.

[@ScarecrowTalks]

Sorry for the few typos by the way.😅

[@windghost2]

@@ScarecrowTalks It's cool.

[@UnarmedAntagonist]

Gyat dayum, wrote a whole essay. Epilogue even.

[@LilPGKing]

Awww man I forgot this movie actually existed. I remember me and my friends watched this movie when I was in middle school. We were laughing like a bunch of numb nuts. We ended up talking about it at school and always used to crack jokes about the movie during class. Good times. Thanks for bringing back good memories.

[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

I remember watching this alone in my small freezing camper right after my house burned down in middle school. It actually really made me think that someone who had literally nothing could still be something, and it made me less sad that I lost everything in that fire, on Thanksgiving no less. And the superhero part was cool too, made me wanna be more courageous and helpful even if I wasn't amazing at helping.

[@LilPGKing]

@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 oh man that’s horrible. I really do hope you moved on and recovered from that accident. Life really isn’t easy. But we can make do with what we have.

[@futurewario9591]

As a person who only watched The Kick Ass Movie I thought it was a Masterpiece and they still made some risk by making it rated R and they still feel like real people.

[@solxce]

Yea that rape scene was really unnecessary, even after they did it, one of the henchmen said “wow that’s a little too far even for us.” Like tf was the point and they ended killing kids too? Like huh? The author says he doesn’t do happy endings, well bud u better try a different approach cause he didn’t write it well at all maybe there’s some parts that are good but overall nah

[@emanuelespinoza9325]

I remember thinking that the child murder bit was a bit much, too.

[@solxce]

@@emanuelespinoza9325 it is, and the rape too bro should’ve worked on his writing skills more

[@ajax3748]

@@solxce Mark Millar is sometimes a good writer and sometimes he's shit. Old man Logan is gold.

[@solxce]

@@ajax3748 oh damn he wrote old man Logan? Didn’t know that but yea guess it’s 50/50 with him then, like if he doesn’t like happy endings then he should really work on his writing skills

[@bman6285]

It is meant to show the harsh evil of the world because those 2 things are the biggest things that are always avoided he wanted to show the world isn't sunshines and rainbows hell fifty shades of grey is fine But not that if the guy wasn't a billionaire in fifty shades of grey it would be a csi episode or dateline He wasn't the first one to do it A clockwork orange and Natural born killers directors cut

[@ricaard6959]

The way you describe the comic sounds like it gives the exact reason why they changed the movie the way they did. I don't think it's possible to adapt these comics into a Hollywood movie, at least in a believable movie. There's stories without a happy ending that can work as movies, this one isn't.

[@melvinsantos9756]

While I do disagree with you on this one given that I love both the book 📖 and movies 🍿 I do appreciate All the efforts you put into this video and you made your points very clear and start to the point I also appreciate how you weren’t that harsh on the movie 🍿 and just gave your honest opinion. Overall great 👍🏿 video I remember I was really into this franchise and I’d love ❤️ to hear more of your thoughts on the rest of comic series and the 2nd movie 🍿 . Nice 👍🏿 to hear from you

[@kwquinn14]

I did think you went pretty hard on the movie honestly, but at the same time, I liked your whole take on all this. Plus, I did not actually read the comic, so it was even better of a watch because of how in depth this felt. You should do more videos like this! You have a great narration voice and cadence for these!

[@UnderTheSkin13]

"Ghenry! Where did the copyright strike hit you?" "I ain't sayin' nuthin'." "But what do I tell Universal?" "Tell 'em to suck a rabbit."

[@josueeeee]

finally someone looks past some of the try hard aspects of this story to focus on its unique take on loser main characters

[@KanekiKen-mu4nu]

I've always loved kickass. It felt like a very weird fever dream most of the time but its message really resonated with me. Driving home the point that I still live by to this day. How grounded and down to earth it is. While still managing to be hilarious and off the wall. (Unironically) Its just... real. In a way that's oddly powerful

[@supermanprime1281]

Yeah I wish kickass 3 was made

[@polpogiovana629]

Most burn victims do not die from the burn wounds but rather from their lungs burning and suffocation from smoke

[@Tt-tt9my]

Idk, watching this in theaters with a whole audience eating all the goofy stuff up made it honestly one of the best movie watching experiences ever

[@jfproductions4141]

I do agree with a lot of your points but the movie and film were pretty much made during the same time. A lot of the issues come in the second half where the movie had to diverge. It’s like Full Metal Alchemist vs Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. The differences only appear when you realize the material wasn’t caught up with the motion work. I think if the comic was fully done there still would be changes made but I think a lot of the twists and major reveals would be in the movie. I still love both works personally

[@Yamanosei95]

I think they need to adapt Kick-Ass into animation, that would be pretty cool and possibly more faithful. Only adapt the first Kick-Ass, because the sequels are trash 🗿

[@samueljones3668]

That may not happen, they'll do the whole series with the Hit-Girl spinoff which is gonna have fans like a motherfucker.

[@itsbreadbin]

I actually love how incompetent Kick Ass is. It's actually a breath of fresh air for our protagonist to be a loser kid who is completely unremarkable. That's the point, he never needed to be amazing to be inspirational.

[@lunaliander7104]

I just wanted to point out that once you hear someone say it, it’s immediately clear. Nicholas Cage is doing an Adam West impression.

[@shnpio]

Bro

[@1nc0rr1g1bl3]

I feel like the movie was awesome and had a lot of moments but they gave away some of the personalities the characters had and while I didn't like that, it doesn't mean it has no merit to overall enjoyment cause I LOVE every moment of the movie (except the part where he gets Katie... logically it doesn't make sense) so yes I think this has replay value especially watching it together with friends.

[@moisesinfantes2797]

Sometimes we are a side character in our own stories. Life isn't disney, life isn't a anime, and we should be ok with it. Our society is just in love with the idea of always showing the good guy in a optimistic state in the end.

[@moonknight4053]

That sums up British comedies, the underdog is the people’s hero

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

Nah bruh, that kind of thinking I for people who have tried and failed at their dreams. Who would ever be happy with being an npc

[@moisesinfantes2797]

@@Bullboy_Adventures I tried and failed. Idc care anymore. Im happy as an "NPC" we all are to a degree NPCs.

[@jmarra07]

At least as far as the movie is concerned, it's "how to be an attractive and athletic guy who has superhuman abilities"

[@taetannim3581]

Shit, I'm going to pick up a copy just for that joke about the Democrats. Well done.

[@iFuckHo3s6969]

Lmfao guy says I’m not gonna criticize the movie because it’s not true to the source material, but starts deliberately nitpicking it

[@shaunstudios163]

Year later ,hey some reviewers just like to do that

[@mrbungle3310]

Tbh i liked the movie sold 6/10 but than reading the comics i felt like the movie was less exciting...before reading the comic it was almost an 8/10 for me

[@joblivioniv4438]

@@shaunstudios163it’s okay. The movie was fucking amazing regardless. Apparently 3 will start filming in 2024!

[@shaunstudios163]

@@joblivioniv4438 omg 3 Hell yeah!

[@lppstudios3006]

@@shaunstudios163Hello Shaun 👋🏼🗿👺

[@natani___7666]

I would definitely recommend Kick-Ass 3, just to read. I personally think it’s a solid and sorta endearing finale. I think it manages to stick the landing of the trilogy.

[@demonic_myst4503]

“How qny reasonable person would” no she is the one who stereotyped him and believed basicly victim blaming of the rumour and and then gets him assaulted bo she is not reasonable

[@demonic_myst4503]

Actualy her comicncounterpart is more disgusting than her book one unless u like justofying assault

[@demonic_myst4503]

And no the manipulation part doesbt eork when u pull it apart She made the asumption she initaited everything and if your about say “but she thought he was gay” your literaly doing what homophobes in high achool do when they give drama about sharing a changing room with a gay kid your judging somone off their secualuty nit them as a person Im bisexual but she is a homophobic ass who used him as much as he used her she isbt a victim

[@immersivecomics1603]

The movie feels like a love letter to comics, it doesn’t take itself seriously, has heart, levity, and genuinely does interesting things with comic tropes. The comic, while readable, comes off as WAY too “real”. I say “real” because in comics realism is just making everything gratuitous, vulgar, and sad. Make everything dark for the sake of being dark, have every character cuss like goddamn sailors. The comic reads as typical Millar. He tries too hard to be gritty and it really doesn’t work sometimes. It can really feel like a teenager wrote it

[@D4G13]

Idk never read the comics, I just love the moment where kick-ass gets stabbed that first time. I thought it was so subversive to the godly superhero movies where that simple stab actually feels so painful, it’s so awesome

[@fightingmedialounge519]

23:40 that's not really what he said. There's a noticeable difference between between" I wanted a more vulnerable character that could go on a journey" and" I wanted a charcter to act as obstruction to the other characters".

[@Blake-gh8xl]

The movie definitely would have been more poetic and impactful had it followed the comic, but man that is some depressing shit.

[@mee091000]

Including Big Daddy's lie though would have made for a much more powerful message and reflect the true purpose of Kick Ass. While Big Daddy tried to be some hardened and merciless vigilante. He was inspired to become a "hero" by those who ended up adopting a completely opposite stance of. In reality he was worse than most of the villains in his comic book collection. Those heroes that he actually looked up to would want nothing to do with him and see him as a monster. Even The Punisher doesn't involve kids.

[@godofawsome02]

Mark Millar is an edge lord, plain and simple. Call it "deconstruction", it’s just mean spirited, poor writing.

[@Ghenry]

I don't entirely disagree lol

[@jackcouch8322]

This sounds like the opinion of someone who prefers cinema sins to cinema wins tbh

[@905Freq]

I actually went to the high school they used to film the movies, my mom almost ran over nick cage

[@simonriley4131]

LMAOOOO

[@Dhakadice]

3 biggest mistakes in the first movie: * Kick-ass kills people (with a chaingun jetpack and a bazooka). * Kick-ass gets the girl. * Big Daddy 's origin story is true. 3 greatest changes in the second movie: * His girlfriend dumps him. * Hit-Girl doesn't make friends with the bullies and continues to be a loser in her normal life. * Instead of rape scenes and dog decapitations, we get jokes about impotency and how killing a dog is simply too evil.

[@emanuelespinoza9325]

Not to mention no scene of killing children.

[@Fridge_Fiend]

The best part about this review, whenever you mentioned something about either the film or comic you immediately followed up with an example from these. I HATE when reviewers say something and then just don't give an example. Like yeah I believe you but now I have to go look him up doing the funny voice like you said he does

[@jhonklan3794]

What you wanted Kick ass to be was Super, which sucked ass. The movie was better taking a more lighthearted tone.

[@Ghenry]

Super was awesome. You're an idiot, please avoid my channel.

[@jestapath7373]

Many folks in the comments just don't seem to get it and are going all out to defend this movie. We can all admit it missed the mark on the message. It's still a good watch, but it's a bit of a letdown knowing what it could have been.

[@Atlasosa]

Why does this man give me soyboy vibes 😭

[@Ghenry]

Because you're a adult child stuck in 2016

[@LogisticPeach]

Sounds like a you problem to me

[@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421]

I don't know, why do *you* give me incel vibes? 😭

[@Noodle-Segootal]

I loved the movie when it came out, but I definitely think the movie actively suffered due to the girl falling in love with him which is crazy because a parody of superhero films should also parody one of the biggest tropes in hero movies too

[@tomasprado1486]

I love the comics of kick ass, but I always feeled that the movie it's like an "American pie of superheros" I hate American pie

[@growingoaks]

I never saw dave as ugly especially KA2. Hes bossin it up in KA2 tbh he got built af.

[@PrincessNine]

I....I don't feel comfortable with the books version of big daddy. It sounds like mark Millar wrote "only a crazy comic book fan would do this shit" and way way too cynical. Like it feels like I'd be watching the comic book version of Saw/hostel. Misery with excuse of "commentary/message" to protect it from legitimate criticism. It probably wouldn't be bad but it probably wouldn't be....sell me on source material. I get people like the books, but people like a lot of mark millars stuff and that never really stopped people from seeing the issues with his work. Not saying the book is bad....but I am saying I don't prefer the book. I kinda see them as equally flawed. Also I don't feel comfortable acknowledging anything Bojack mocks since while I enjoy the show and glad it ended. Its also way too self gratifyingly miserable. Hearing people talk about how the show felt like it dragged to get to its conclusion because people kinda got it already. Especially when there is material where it does go the dark route like Bojack wanted but its either next to never talked about or its some kind of self indulgent hyper drama that has a rushed ending(imtotallynottalkingaboutgameofthronesfinalseason). But you did do a solid job of getting across your thoughts and presented a solid reason to check out the book(I've put it off several times and keep forgetting) even if its just to see if its enjoyable in its own right.

[@GigaChadh976]

Big daddy was a pretty lame lampooning of republicans.

[@ObaREX]

I liked the first volume and the first movie. They were different, but I guess it helps that I saw the movie first? I don't mind most of the changes. I do think they should've kept the Big Daddy twist, but I also totally like that he was a total goof in the movie. I like that Red Mist is the fucking worst piece of shit in the comics, but I also liked the depth he had in the movies. I remember feeling actually bad for him. And I remember constantly waiting for him to do the right thing. But he never does, because he really has no reason to. The movie tricked us into feeling bad for him and even gives him chemistry with Dave. But in hindsight, yeah, it makes sense that he never turns good. I do with the movie kept in the beatdown Dave gives him in the comics. To solidify that their friendship is entirely over. The whole situation with the love interest confused me, even as a kid. I remember feeling relieved that Dave finally got a girl, but also like "what?" the entire time. I questioned why she was suddenly super hot for him. Even with the knowledge that they both like comics. I'm down with the movies not making Katie into this nasty bitch, because in the comics it made it hard to feel bad for her and felt a bit too edgy. Not saying she owed Dave any politeness, just saying her sending Dave photos of herself blowing some other dude felt excessive and not even something someone like her would do. Why would she give Dave MORE photos of her to whack to? But back to the movies, I still think the romance angle was fucked. I would've been fine with her slapping him with a restraining order. Also I just really found the movie to be funnier. While the comic did a good job showing how everyone is terrible, most of the "funny" moments didn't really come off as funny. Hardly even came off as dark comedy. Just too try hard. It's... a good movie, especially when you don't compare it to the comic. I do think you should read Kick-ass 2. Yeah, the movie sucked. But I enjoyed the comic quite a lot. I feel like Dave doesn't have too much of an arc in the second volume, but Hit Girl is given more depth, Chris is a pretty good villain (except for that one scene that's just... ugh) while still being a total pussy. And it all comes to a pretty decent climax. Kick-ass 3? It's okay, I guess.

[@donkylefernandez4680]

Growing up I thought Kickass was the coolest "anyone can be a superhero" story. As a grown up I realize that kid has a metal plate in the back of his head and early onset CTE... I think that fight with the thugs was absolutely the turning point where the directors said "we don't want this to be dark anymore". Kickass had his moment then "died" right there which is why the rest of the movie plays out like a superhero flick. Fall in love with the movie first, then read the comics. I appreciate what the movie did for incoming audiences.

[@davecullins1606]

I think that Kick-Ass just seems even more awesome when he's actually what's seen by most as a loser. He has so many reasons to doubt himself and to stop trying being a hero, and yet he does it anyway, because he cares more about making the city a better place to live. If that isn't the essence of being a hero, then I don't know what is.

[@b7112-u3x]

I'm not gonna lie. I like the movie way better than the comics. Watching a loser stay a loser is just sad. Watching a loser become someone is more rewarding. Less depressing vibe.

[@abanfrancis6400]

Damn is it really that depressing? Like would you say in the Comics, it gives a more realistic vibe to it? Or depressing?

[@jhonklan3794]

Its funny that we are not allowed to make movies centered around the male experience but you can do the opposite; rom coms are just as unrealistic and demeaning as male centered movies but no man cares because it was not made for them. Also, its not "getting a women as a reward", its the archetypal male story of gaining competence and confidence which allows you to attract women.

[@gamedragonja8962]

I hate when ppl say batman is a psycho for dressing up like a bat and fights crime.but im like ok by that logic every superhero would be a psycho.and that isnt the case.

[@supahcomix]

He’s a psycho because just going around beating up “the bad guys” isn’t what a superhero does, a superhero goes through the trouble to help every day average citizens and making the community a nicer place to live like spiderman

[@gamedragonja8962]

@@supahcomix you clearly dont know batman He does the exact same thing.Well in the comics he does.

[@supahcomix]

@@gamedragonja8962 then that makes sense, most of my knowledge of batman comes from the movies

[@gamedragonja8962]

@@supahcomix I figured.In the comics there was a scene of him helping a little girl find a puzzle piece.Even his tine mostly spent giving criminals brain hemarage he saves alot of innocence

[@nathannix3217]

Being Batman is an outlet for Bruce’s trauma which isn’t the case for every hero, he operates using fear, his methods are more violent, and he can be cold and anti social.

[@luigispadaccini140]

I think that there is only man who can make a faithful movie adaptation of Kick-Ass original run: James Gunn!

[@canderia]

I completely forgot that both Quicksilvers were in this movie.

[@raymond_mak]

Hey nice video man. Completely agree with how the movie went for the Hollywood happy ending; Dave gets the girl and everything is Kick Ass compared to melancholy comic book ending. I'd read the end of Dave's Kick Ass run since it is a lot fresher than what they end up doing with Kick Ass in the sequel. The next comic book series focusses on a new Kick Ass donning the suit but after every season/ story line it is the same thing over and over again - Kick Ass battles some drug boss with a henchmen but then ends up liberating their workers and recruits them for her own business. Hit Girl also got her own series where she travels to different places taking out the drug lords/ gangs of respective countries but again very much the same story line over and over again - goes to new country, befriend some local to then take out the drug lord of the area. Before I stopped reading they were gonna set up a confrontation between Hit Girl and the new Kick Ass since every Drug Lord Kick Ass killed she acquired their assets but I think I fell off it before they met

[@no_special_person]

Part 1: Complain Part 2: Complain Part 3: Complain Part 4: Complain Part 5: I didn't like it

[@mee091000]

You can't honestly deduce that after everything he explained here. The reveal of Kick Ass pretending to be gay and Big Daddy's lie should have 100% been in the film. Instead we got Jetpack Minigun nonsense and whatever Hit-Girl was.

[@no_special_person]

Woulda been pretty subversive of common movie tropesm Also wouldaben pretty depressing for depressing sake. I guess that's why art is to an extent subjective, we appreciate and draw from different aspects of stuff

[@MechanicGopher]

I mean, you complained about Big Daddy being too goofy and cringy and not stoic like the comic, but I’d argue that’s the point. Even if they didn’t do his twist backstory, the point remains the same that he’s a nerdy loser manipulating and abusing his daughter. He’s not cool, just skilled.

[@d.j.mulcahy1657]

What are your thoughts on James Gunn's film Super? It came out the same year as the Kick-Ass movie and shares some similarities.

[@Weremoogle]

I didn't like Super. It was funny in the earlier parts. I won't spoil the film. Probably more up his alley, though.

[@CharlieMonkeh]

Just say and title your vid “Why I Like Comic Book a lot better” dude, just say it I know you do…😩.

[@giantrat502]

If his lungs were charred he would have likely died due to oxygen deprivation and no quick ready access to an oxygen tank the supplement was lost in his blood so technically the shock and pain of being on Fire to would have killed him

[@Ghenry]

Fair enough, thanks.

[@giantrat502]

@@Ghenry but I did like the way he died the comic better

[@rpmblack7892]

It's not a very good adaptation but a damn good movie.

[@StylinSamrski85]

as if you would know what a loser is, cause you're not one

[@atomic3053]

Amazon or Netflix needs to reboot Kick-Ass but animated kinda like Invincible

[@LilPGKing]

I’d pay to watch that. Kick ass was my childhood.

[@Binkus69420]

i dont get how every character being a creep and nobody being redeemable is fun to read

[@Ghenry]

Well, it is.

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

Given the exponential growth of comic book films these past 13 years? I imagine the reboot will likely be much more in keeping with shows like The Boys or Invincible. It feels like that type of subversive derision has become as much on brand for cape films as any tent pole Marvel film release. And for that reason I could see Vaughn going closer the original source material. Still it’s been ages since I watched Kick Ass but even back then I recall thinking they kind of went a bit too superhero with it.

[@bobydigital2450]

Mark millar has ok idea but is overall a trash writer. It's edge for edge sake that's why the movies and series are better because the writer do not throw themselves into pointless nihilism. It's like the office. It sucked then the us took it and didn't really followed Ricky Gervais vision and it became a hit. Same thing for the boys writers while preacher is the most accurate series to the comic it's also the worst

[@Allystargirl]

I feel like he called her “child” a lot out of habit/ to make it a habit, because when they are fighting crime together, he cant call her by her real name, and it’s shorter and faster to just refer to her as “child” as well as it protects her identity

[@kwquinn14]

Hold on, you don’t understand why a name like “Genovese”, which am I supposed to believe is the name of a Russian mob boss?, is replaced by Frank D’amico? It’s Italian for Italian, clearly 🙄

[@-hello6177]

for the most part, pretty good video But for fuck's sake, it's a cliche, it's something everyone already knows and needs no introduction, a shortcut if you will, I understand disliking a downgrade since it adds nothing to the theme unlike in the comics, but calling the trope disgusting and sexist because it wasn't spent time on is just stupid, nameless romantic interests as a side goal or even main goal exist, big fucking deal, it's not exclusive to stories aimed at men

[@albertoftasmania]

Absolutely agree.