IN STUDIO DEBATE: Is Marriage A Bad Deal For Men? - Pearl Davis Vs Trent Horn

@TheCounselofTrent and @JustPearlyThings join the show for our first ever in studio debate!
The debate focuses on if Marriage harms the lives of men financially, psychologically, and sexually.
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[@nathanbustamante1525]

As a married man, I reject the idea that men just want "sex, silence, and sandwiches". I like talking to my wife. She's funny and she laughs at my stupid jokes. I want companionship and love. Not a sex doll.

[@DManCAWMaster]

The "sex, silence, and sandwiches" stuff is just a saying in the red pill that means simple and non dramatic

[@nomadic_orthodox]

@@DManCAWMasterNo, it means a silent and submissive sex doll, like in Islam. That’s why the Tates and Sneako converted.

[@Archangel251]

Same!!! They have a unique way of looking at things. That’s why I like it when women speak up and challenge me. It helps me to be a better man and be a better Catholic

[@vortexlight8387]

​@@nomadic_orthodox no it means not a masculine woman, whos obnoxious, goes on girls night out and sleeps with random dudes. its funny how OP says "she laughs at my stupid jokes" like hes homer simpson, which is a character made to make men look stupid and simps. and also, if she laughs at your stupid jokes, but dsnt give you sex, are you cool with that? nope. because Sex, silence and sandwiches come first, then you can focus on the small things like her laughing at you because you make stupid jokes.

[@nomadic_orthodox]

@@vortexlight8387 Pearl is the most masculine woman in the podcast world.

[@holydrvid]

For someone who thinks women should be submissive and docile, Pearl sure loves being abrasive and disruptive.

[@grezdaed]

That's why it's likely she'll never get married. If marriage is such a bad deal for men, shouldn't a woman who got a marriage proposal feel that much more grateful?

[@oldscorp]

She is there to debate him not marry him. The topic of the debate is whether women in general are wife material, and not whether Pearl is.

[@johnanderson9403]

Yeah she's not trying to marry him he's already married so she doesn't have to be submissive to him why is there supposed to be submissive to their husbands. This just proves that most people are more worried about having to follow the leader of their family then they are getting a husband

[@gabby-ue8sh]

@@oldscorp yeah but she is bashing the modern woman nowadays and debating how they should be for marriage, relationships etc. yet acting like the complete opposite. As she loves to claim that women only offer sex and looks yet she does not have the looks and is expired like she would say (old)

[@oldscorp]

@@gabby-ue8sh By that logic an oncologist should have his medical license revoked when diagnosed with cancer, or people should start smoking if a smoker advises them not to.

[@chamamwa91]

This guy has the patience of a saint.

[@benfroughi]

He's a moron. What are you talking about? The guy can hardly string a sentence together.

[@cassidyskye7141]

I love how pearl claims women should be obedient to men but talks over every single man she debates and disrespects and belittles them

[@freddyfang8842]

If marriage was so good why is the rate so so so low

[@andrear1599]

​@@freddyfang8842you must not be married lol

[@FrostyErica]

She is the epitome of the "other girls" memes that were rampant in the 2010's. "Look, look... I'm not like other girls, I'm special."

[@freddyfang8842]

@@andrear1599 answer this question if marriages was so good why men not getting married?

[@andrear1599]

@@freddyfang8842 where are you relying your stats on? And when you say Men i think were talkng about two different types. No disrespect but Actual Men with high Value have a different level of maturity,standard,intelligence and morality that are seeking a family and companionship . Naturally in them they feel the need to hunt provide and protect their family . Women who are also high value have their own role. Im not referring to the ones who are bitter, jumping from one person to the other with a different outlook on loyalty of union and rather spend their time passing judgments on marrietal unions without even living it themselves. Every one has the free will to live the way they choose . If marriage is not for you for w.e reason than honestly no judgments . But i find it interesting whem someone is not married ,without kids ,kids with different partners,or chooses a life of promiscuity feel like they somehow have any ounce of a knowledge of a married life

[@christopherbartow7972]

The failings of women to be wives and men to be husbands does not diminish marriage, it only speaks to a failed society

[@pinknickelvidz]

Pearl clearly sees marriage as finding a flesh mate in a worldly sense, not a soul mate in a spiritual sense. Marriage = materialism is her equation

[@domanicvaldez]

Agreed. Especially with these stats being predominantly secular.

[@Sardious]

Also the concept that men and women are less moral and the law isn't fair therefore we should not do the right thing is odd to me. I'd rather have a struggling people in a struggling society to try to the right thing in the right way and maybe fail, rather than just fail harder and never even try to make marriage work.

[@reinedire7872]

Very well said.

[@jk777212]

well said

[@Serquss]

It was strange listening to Pearl who says women ought to be obedient when she had a hard time obeying debate rules.

[@PurpleAcidRain04]

She will never find a husband

[@carakerr4081]

Excellent observation ❤

[@jaylaw.7660]

True😣

[@ethereal-dgaming6037]

clowns. obedient to their husband, blind hate it was even explained by trent

[@MilahanPhilosophersCorner]

😅

[@darcy6957]

Weird - I am a Gen Z man happily married to a Gen Z woman, and she is none of the things Pearl rattles on about. Maybe Pearl should turn off KZbin and try to be a real human being instead of a talking head.

[@salsalee4322]

She is to much in the internet and talking about OF Girl, not a regular girl in RL

[@andynowicki4532]

Give her time... If you're Gen Z you haven't been married long

[@michaelfulton3059]

And Trent Horn isn’t a talking head? He makes his living talking on KZbin.

[@michaelfulton3059]

Yeah. Wait till you hit 30.

[@TheYoungCatholics]

​@@michaelfulton3059That is such a cope. "Wait until you're older"? Really? I am a Gen Z woman, happily married to a millennial man with our fourth child on the way. Frankly, it's embarrassing when you have to resort to using your age to try and support your self-asserted wisdom as opposed to the wisdom itself. There are plenty of happily married people who are older than you, do you submit yourself to their wisdom? Seems like there is a reason why this was a debate in which studies and legitimate arguments were brought up as opposed to Trent just saying "I'm older, therefore, I'm right".

[@MayaChalla-mk7fh]

This debate was never winnable for him because no amount of studies or statistical facts can ever change her mind. She has a narrative, a few talking points, and she’s running with it

[@fatimasobalvarro6276]

Debates are for convincing the audience, not the other person you are debating with :) so he won if he convinced us, which I think Trent did…

[@FernandoTorrera]

She made a video admitting she has low self esteem. Her goal is to simply convince as many people to set unrealistic standards and just give up. She sees herself as unworthy so she has to claw as many women down with her as possible as well.

[@jmmvirta]

I think she is in the debate for the money.

[@cephas5053]

@@fatimasobalvarro6276Trent did not win this

[@khrisstake2210]

​@@FernandoTorrerayou have the link to the video

[@robertgalena1816]

I am blown away that Pearl cannot conceive of a marriage where spouses extend grace to each other.

[@stuartgergen830]

I’ve had coworkers that have been in marriages like that and it makes people bitter.

[@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024]

I like how Pearl's like (paraphrasing) "men don't like it when women are constantly interrupting them and being condescending" in the same breath she condescends and constantly interrupts Trent.

[@MilahanPhilosophersCorner]

She hangs out with party guys who are red pill hedonists.

[@YeeterSkeeter-uw4mu]

@@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024well she doesn’t like him…..so….

[@janeldryan7466]

She’s not talking about how she feels, she’s talking about what actually happens.

[@asamtaviajando8388]

She has 5 talking points and no amount of logic can make her stop citing them.

[@anacc3257]

5 talking points from misogynists or from studies that she's deliberately or out of ignorance misinterpreted.

[@iamnemoo]

It's because she doesn't believe what she says, she just repeats and follows where the redpill goes. She's a grifter and has been trying find fame/success on the internet for years. The redpill was the only one that worked. Even the redpill community hates her, because they know she's just faking it lmao

[@meglukes]

I seriously wonder if she actually believes what she’s saying, or she knows she has cornered the female red piller market and if she went traditional or even moderate she would become irrelevant.

[@asamtaviajando8388]

@@meglukes willful blindness.

[@MythwrightWorkshop]

@@meglukes I think you're onto something. She has brand-marketed moping.

[@hallo2353]

feel like these fresh n fit guys really brain washed her. Saying men want sex, silence and sandwiches is the most dehumanizing thing I've ever heard

[@riasilva4579]

Silence …but she can’t shut up.

[@salsalee4322]

These guys don't believe women is a human just like them. They are dehumanizing women so much.

[@DominoRenzo]

It’s weird how rad fems and red pillers disagree on everything but this is they have 100% agreement on.

[@michaelfulton3059]

I have never really watched Fresh N Fit, but as a man who was married and divorced who has decided to remain a bachelor, I didn’t want sex, silence, and sandwiches. I wanted a help meet. I didn’t get that. Women today, even Roman Catholic women, have unrealistic standards of what they want in a spouse not to mention that the suffer for choice thanks to online dating. Marriage really is unfortunately a relic of a bygone age. It makes sense if you live in a medieval village and your mating pool is small. Now, you have to compete with the entire world.

[@hallo2353]

@@michaelfulton3059 yup.. as 18 year old young man myself, I can relate about competing with the whole world. 4 of older girls in the Orthodox Church I used to serve at got married to men from either the States or outside of the province. How did they manage to find those guys? Social media! Nothing against it... But the market is not local or in a community anymore, it's global💫

[@ellenkinzie3148]

She is so condescending, one of the most annoying traits a person can have.

[@aralsea1]

She's right and you don't like it.

[@apball1223]

“The success of a marriage is not about finding the most perfectly compatible person but choosing to love the imperfect person you chose to marry” Jason Evert

[@paulpangilinan9455]

Not at the expense of non-repentance and non compliance to duty ad honor

[@mattsharkey8437]

Incorrect. You marry someone with similar core values and believe that God is at the center of their marriage.

[@Carolinefdq]

​@@mattsharkey8437 sure, but you're still marrying someone who is a sinner and who may or may not agree with you 100% on everything.

[@mattsharkey8437]

@@Carolinefdq I don't care. If you don't have the same core values and believe in my faith, then no dice.

[@vaderkurt7848]

If that was the case why did catholic marriage rates declined? Or a lot of guys dropping out of society? It does matter other wise Paul would not advice others to be equally unyolked. Come on guys let's work with reality here. Men nor good women are asking for a perfect spouse there are serious problems that need to be addressed.

[@juliacuthbert6487]

I genuinely don't understand why people debate Pearl. She's uneducated, inarticulate, and rude.

[@paxcoder]

People she has influence with can benefit from this.

[@pmaitrasm]

She speaks for tens of thousands of men. Trent lives in a bubble that is obsolete and ready to vanish, if I may use the phraseology of Saint Paul.

[@ClickyPen0101]

She's also massively inexperienced in the subjects she speaks on.

[@danielbeckman6742]

I don't understand why people keep debating her, either. It's the same wimpy soy boys that don't have data to refute her points. This is almost identical to the time when she wrecked Klavan.

[@pierogentille8748]

@@pmaitrasm Yeah tens of thousands of men who don't know how to be men. No one taught them. And certainly Pearl is not really helping them, she is just pointing fingers to women who also don't know how to be women.

[@user-yy9mt6kl3h]

There's no such thing as a perfect marriage or relationship; they're all different. What makes one person content might not make another person content. But I've learned that there's always a way to fix things. Five years ago, my wife and I were facing divorce because of problems in our marriage, but we managed to resolve them. It was challenging, but we survived.

[@user-sk7kd8vs2w]

I really understand the significance of your words, and I genuinely want to find happiness too. I have a partner, and even though we're not together right now, I can't imagine life without her; my love for her is strong. I miss her a lot, and I'm fully committed to bringing her back. We've explored different ways, like therapy, to mend things.

[@user-yy9mt6kl3h]

Saying farewell to someone you love dearly is never easy, but in my case, I had the assistance of a spiritual counselor who saved my marriage from falling apart. Her name is Suzanne Ann Walters

[@user-sk7kd8vs2w]

Your guidance is well-received. I'll quickly search for her online. Thank you. I'm optimistic that taking this approach will yield results for me as well; her absence is keenly felt

[@hallo2353]

I'm 18 currently so I have much time😂. But way to go sir!💫 God bless you and your marriage ☦️♥️

[@ashalexandra6514]

happy for you guys!

[@ISlandyute11]

Im not sure who did more damage to Pearls argument, Trent or Pearl herself.

[@rani.andretti]

She had an argument?

[@sylon7717]

@@rani.andrettiyeah, she has an important message to tell

[@NoBullSavage]

Pearl did more damage to her own arguments. She was too focused on her talking points that she didn't destroy Trents weak reasoning and examples.

[@jmelamp3926]

Never did I think “Do you think you simp for men?” Would come out of Trent Horns mouth during a debate 😂

[@laraluna9365]

I’m glad he said it. Her smile said she knows she does but she’s a liar and couldn’t admit it.

[@grcrepps]

Could’ve sworn he asked James White that before

[@okorokingsley2840]

Trent horns is a simp

[@jeantanamo]

@@grcreppsI’m crying 😂

[@jeantanamo]

@@okorokingsley2840for the Good Lord🙏🏻 amen

[@vman9347]

Never seen Trent so visibly annoyed with someone.

[@mildadventures4427]

That's what I thought watching! I need to learn from him. His patience goes a long way when speaking to people like this.

[@mambofuego5101]

Because he’s in his feelings and not rational.

[@folofus4815]

You should see his debate on Whatever with destiny where destiny began to justify bestiality. Trent, completely justified, was rather annoyed and called him insane lol

[@GothVibeWars]

@@folofus4815he lost his patience with destiny on the abortion debate too, can’t blame him cuz destiny constantly weasels around

[@ekatrinya]

Yes, annoyed and it seemed like he was in disbelief at how dumb everything she said was.

[@nellyf.3153]

People who debate Pearl should stop playing her game. Stop letting her getting away with hammering the same points that her fans love her for. She is not a smart woman, she has very poor reasoning skills. She just found her grift. She knows the pain points of her audience and just repeat them ad nauseam. For example when they talked about standards, with her idiotic “yes or no” questions, I think Trent should have said something of the like “men are allowed to have standards, yes, and?”. Stop trying to argue with “and women too” with her, that’s exactly what she wants. If you feed her the same responses she gets on the daily basis on her Twitter feed, she is just going to go on with her little circus. It is her brand. I know it’s easier said than done though, because the problem precisely lies in the fact that she is not bright, so it’s hard to have a rational conversation with her. She only knows how to speak in slogans, always brings back the conversation to the lowest hanging fruit and when she feels she loses ground on a point, she jumps to another. She is just terrible to talk to. Most importantly, she is not interested in truth and honesty.

[@d.elainedixon953]

Yes, he should have reminded her that MEN DECIDE THEIR STANDARDS- NOT PEARL! She is not in charge of the standards. Some men have married women she thinks are overweight or porn stars, etc. And she is angry about that, since no one picked her.

[@monkey6207]

This sums it up. She is like a politician, using dog whistles as arguments rather than someone who cares about truth. There is no point of her.

[@julietteg6234]

Great analysis.

[@sylon7717]

@@julietteg6234no it was terrible

[@NoBullSavage]

Trent's arguments are garbage even thou I agree with damn near everything he said. Someone mindlessly spitting out talking points is the easiest to destroy but Trent can't finish her off, why? He keeps talking past her because he can't see outside of his God filled married looking glass point of view to talk to an atheist(don't know if Pearl is religious but the point stands.) Easy example above: Trent can't say "yes, and?" Because he knows what she is saying(there is no reason a man shouldnt ask a women to stay a under a certain weight) is rational. All he can do is argue the extremes(120 after a women is pregnant is common) or a moral argument based on preference(he's shallow). Yes, the people who go to Pearl for advice are shallow. What would his response have been if Pearl said "yes, that is shallow, and...?"

[@jank707]

100k at one time = life changing money 100k spread over 18 years = not life changing money

[@ELMOcall911]

Hmm ok let's do some basic math here... if you want to save up $100000 over 18 years how much do you have to save per year $100000/18= $5555.56 Now can you save that per year if you had to pay child support?

[@anitra7747]

If we aren’t using a Christian perspective about marriage, then why should we presume women should be obedient to their husbands?

[@Hunter-2689]

Bingo

[@PaulLeEtudiant]

Because on average, the husband has greater capabilities to be a consistent protector and provider in the long term compared to the wife. Being obedient to the husband will make it easier for the wife to be protected and provided for. It can be a simple survival tactic based on quid pro quo.

[@shawn4110]

Because it would be the only possible incentive for a man to invest and commit to a woman. Even without a Christian ethical system, you will still have a basic trading of obligations. Stripping away any ethical duties, only leaves trades. What do I get out of this, and what do you get? Adding back in the Christian ethic though, and modern women actually become way worse. If modern men held women to a Christian ethical standard before marriage, less than 5% would be marriageable. Meanwhile, the State doesn't care about even one feature of covenantal marriage, and has literally defined out ALL of the features Catholics would consider foundational to marriage. Add these things together and no one can possible make an argument for why anyone, especially not Catholic men, should participate in the State's marriage farce.

[@ajluci]

@@PaulLeEtudiant but most men don’t provide and protect anymore nor do they want to. Our culture doesn’t teach that any longer and many women out earn their husbands now and have higher level careers. Only traditionally minded Christian men see the value in this anymore. Marriage really only makes sense if viewed a the sacrament that it is where the women submit and obey and the men provide and protect. Outside the lenses of this it doesn’t really make sense. Where is the motivation to stay and fight for a relationship if one’s main goal is their own personal happiness? If neither party goes into a marriage understanding this it’s most likely going to fail. Most don’t that’s why the divorce rate is so high.

[@1901elina]

Because she's a simp.

[@AZ1306AZ]

Oh my gosh, Trent demonstrated saintly levels of patience here. Thank you, Trent. It's inspiring.

[@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024]

I like how Pearl's like (paraphrasing) "men don't like it when women are constantly interrupting them and being condescending" in the same breath she condescends and constantly interrupts Trent.

[@cfban]

Imagine being successful, happily married and with three kids, just to be called a "simp" by a woman who makes a profit from the attention of lonely men on the Internet.

[@filiamaria8]

exactly!!! it takes that level to converse with the evilness in her arguments. the devil loves to irritate us.

[@leon7676]

@@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024 see tho, she demostrated her point tho, wasn't Trent visibly bother LOL

[@faithbasedliving9391]

Some people say he looked annoyed and because of that he’s too emotional. I’m like what!?!? Having someone interrupt you mid sentence just you can loose your train of thought IS ANNOYING. He’s a guy, not Gandhi.

[@FreeRthan]

I didn't understand how anyone can debate her. It would make my head explode

[@FreeRthan]

*don't*

[@kellyevans3254]

Pearl lost in the opening statements. Trent opened with a mic drop she couldn’t rebut.

[@drewgonzales4533]

she doesn't understand how an actual debate works. He won simply through the mass number of studies which are mostly nonesense to support the superficial claim that marriage is a good deal. I'd love to debate this guy. Shame.

[@sylon7717]

@@drewgonzales4533she has an important message to tell

[@estarr86]

Must have missed that

[@aralsea1]

@@drewgonzales4533 Divorce rate is like 50% so marriage has some major issues.

[@dandoesntknowsstuff1769]

I’ve said many times, I don’t think Pearl actually believes most of what she professes. She’s just found a way to make a living making other people upset and garnering hate clicks.

[@dreamingmusic3299]

She's been demonetized for months. She DARES to argue against Wahmanism.

[@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024]

I like how Pearl's like (paraphrasing) "men don't like it when women are constantly interrupting them and being condescending" in the same breath she condescends and constantly interrupts Trent.

[@MilahanPhilosophersCorner]

Accurate.

[@MilahanPhilosophersCorner]

​@dreamingmusic3299 that's why she gotta rage bait to get bitter men's cash.

[@dreamingmusic3299]

@@MilahanPhilosophersCorner - Well done making fun of people's tragedies. How ... Christian ... of you.

[@fujikokun]

It’s funny that Pearl is basically a poster girl for everything that’s wrong with modern women that she hates.

[@theCatholic-Defender]

It's funny that she doesn't see that by her standards she is also not marriage material.

[@Emmannie]

@@theCatholic-DefenderI wonder if she’s projecting *because* she doesn’t think she’s worthy of marriage or a good man? She’ll never quit “reverse-simping” (even if her husband asks her to), she’ll never be objectively more beautiful as time goes on, she can’t argue, she doesn’t understand business, she believes men only want sex, sandwiches, and silence.. poor woman.

[@helleborusorientalis7007]

I think that that is the point.

[@directinprint]

right?

[@Artryom]

Why does everyone think this is something smart? 🤣 I’m not on her side but this is like 80% of the anti-Pearl team comments.

[@raedorin979]

I hear Pearl say things that are so presumptive of married women. As a nurse working in the perinatal area, when i tell couples "no sex for six weeks after baby" some men will say "i guess I'll just be in the bathroom with my phone". And then chuckle. Can you imagine treating the mother of your child that way and expecting your marriage to last? Men are NOT innocent any more than women. So you'll just cheat on your wife with porn when you don't "get sex" for a few weeks? She just spent months, vomiting, constipated, sore, and then had an incredibly painful experience to give birth and he can't even discipline himself for 6 weeks?

[@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123]

That’s disgusting, I hope those men repent, apologise to their wives, and act better. Sorry you have to hear about that.

[@nohomo4774]

A lot of people think honesty is the best and only virtue to have, especially since it often makes other people laugh.

[@raedorin979]

@@nohomo4774 yeah, that's true. Honesty IS a good virtue but chastity within marriage is a better one

[@indigobaloon8091]

How about women who cause men to fall in the porn vice because they did not honor their marriage duties?

[@DJMT-Africa]

Pearl is not talking about post-partum sexlessness for a few weeks. She is describing 25% of married men who are denied sex for years on end.

[@tubermind]

She thinks that the $440 (average child support) per month somehow remains in the air and accumulates without being spent. He has the realistic perspective: "try raising children on $440 a month".

[@lovelybones8179]

440?? Goddamn that'd be nice. That's not even considering the men who can't hold down a steady job. Try raising kids on 30 dollars every few months, sometimes child support isn't even worth it. Can't even buy a decent pair of kids shoes for 30 bucks

[@michaelfulton3059]

They’re both wrong about child support. Many women utilize child support as a second revenue stream (that is untaxed, by the way). It has really nothing to do with what is in the best interests of the children.

[@tubermind]

@@michaelfulton3059 must have a high amount of child support to even when to do that. I believe he quoted an "average" which sounds right.

[@tubermind]

@@lovelybones8179 Yes, a lot depends on the earnings of the Dad.

[@michaelfulton3059]

@@tubermind I’ve worked with family law attorneys. It’s more common than you think. Instead of Pearl, Trent needs to debate a family law attorney. But he won’t because his Church teaches him that divorced people are unpersons.

[@Heyitstj123]

Thank you Trent for defending women against a woman.

[@captainmarvelmsc7692]

Lol, uve have already surrendered marriage to the secular state, and the Protestant legacy😊

[@Mikethemerciless11]

Women must never be held accountable.

[@XiggyJ]

@@Mikethemerciless11 And exactly how did Pearl hold women accountable in this debate? LOL

[@sewur5034]

And Pearl for defending men against a man

[@kojo2773]

Before you want men to get legally married, remove alimony and division of assets laws.

[@Sunny-hv7pt]

Pearl is not marriage material if we use her standards.

[@ComiCross]

Based Kermit pfp

[@dreamingmusic3299]

She's admitted to this in past videos. She's talked about having focused on all the wrong things in her early adult life, because that's what western culture trains young women to do. Open your eyes and examine western culture from an objective standpoint.

[@mambofuego5101]

The modern woman is not marriage material. Most women are not marriage material.

[@Immortalsoul33]

@@mambofuego5101maybe but then neither are most men

[@Foxie770]

Yes she is. Her only standards are: 1) no tattoos, 2) no Debt, 3) not a high “body count”

[@ThrowAway271]

I don’t think it’s crazy for men to say “I don’t want Pearl!”

[@constantdoodle32]

Ive never seen an opening statement (Tent) win the debate before it even starts.

[@andrewosterloh2244]

I listened to the first half of this interview at work, and as soon as I got off work, I bought an engagement ring. Thank you, Pearl, Trent, and Matt for inspiring me to get the ball rolling on marriage :)

[@felipetejeda7545]

Bro decided to get married over a KZbin video? 😂

[@theCatholic-Defender]

Yayyy for marriage🤣🤣🤣

[@andrewosterloh2244]

​@@felipetejeda7545 😂😂 Not quite. I was planning to go shopping today anyway, but watching this debate fired me up before I left

[@mellieg.7543]

Congratulations to you and your future fiancé!!

[@alqoshgirl]

Awesome! Marriage is awesome! Best thing ever❤

[@emmyroobug]

I don’t think Pearl understands, you don’t marry a statistic, you marry a person.

[@DManCAWMaster]

But you evaluate things based on statistics

[@1901elina]

@@DManCAWMaster If you marry one person out of the 25% of great people out of all people, you don't have to think about the other 75% ever again, or you can denounce people altogether because "you can't take your chances," and be single forever because you're too cowardly to get to know someone.

[@discussingsplinterlands7728]

Trent is the one who only wanted to talk in statistics.

[@taramccreary8997]

Most of what she says isn't a statistic it's just anecdotal evidence based on people she chooses to interview or surround her self with. The actual statistics show she is factually wrong on lots of things. She basically just talks and thinks what she says is true and maybe she believe it but just cause she keeps repeating the same wrong talking points doesn't make what she says is true. If what she said was true more marriages would end in divorce, men wouldn't be remarrying after divorce and many other things that she was factually wrong on.

[@discussingsplinterlands7728]

@@taramccreary8997 I am not defending Pearl. I think she is a horrible debater. But what you just said is also just stuff that you think/believe. And you also can't prove it with any statistic.

[@Overlord277]

Pearl: Why? Trent: The data shows - Pearl: *WHY?!*

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

Where did Trent ever demonstrate the causality between marriage and happiness?

[@Overlord277]

@@christsavesreadromans1096 Everyday of his life.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

@@Overlord277 I meant a study

[@Overlord277]

@@christsavesreadromans1096 What's cool about this episode is that you can rewatch it and listen to what he is citing. Pearl has zero citations.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

@@Overlord277 A study which establishes causality friend, not correlation.

[@justint4420]

It’s funny how Pearl is ready to debate and sounds like a genius among OF girls on the whatever podcast, but when you put her up to actual intellectuals she crumbles lol.

[@xelan8549]

The way she tries to project competence by gloating and trying to shout Trent down reminds me of the OF girls

[@indigobaloon8091]

She dis well. Much better than your intelectual who dances around real questions. What a mediocrity.

[@MichelleBowling707]

She says she's not going to debate the religious aspect. But then she says women should be obedient, which is a religious argument. It says in the bible that women should submit to their husbands. The secular law doesn't say that. This girl is confused.

[@shawn4110]

The law doesn't say that indeed. Which is the entire point. The law doesn't include a single feature of Catholic marriage so why are all the Catholics participating in State marriage? 'Women should obey their husbands' is not just a Biblical argument. The only reason a man should protect and provide for a woman is that she is obedient to him. That is a purely secular quid pro quo as well.

[@Ana_Cecilia615]

She's going to be embarrassed in 10 years when she wakes up and sees how dumb she was.

[@vortexlight8387]

its biological, hence why religion adopted it, not the other way around. trend said "the man has to provide" where in secular law does it say men have to provide? your own logic used against you.

[@Nish.05]

​@@vortexlight8387it isn't biological at all. Men don't do any of the protecting or providing. Women die more in the hands of men than they are protected by them

[@ZwarriorZ]

@@Nish.05 Woman don't meed any protection or providing, biologically women are disposable sex after childbirth

[@AMDG918]

I would never want Pearl to speak on my behalf as a woman. Single or married. I don’t think a man would either.

[@SJ-ru4ej]

Her positions have only gotten more extreme over the few years she’s had any type of social media presence, yet she’s still single. Why isn’t she getting followed around all day with proposals? She’s masculine, loud, a boss babe, not a virgin, prioritizes a career with men who work under her. Based on her whole demeanor here, I just don’t see her being that quiet, obedient wife she demands women to be who’s going to cook and say “yes dear” all day long.

[@MichelleBowling707]

100 percent!

[@voiceofreason1829]

She is smart girl

[@CristianHernandez-jk7lw]

There’s a reason they only invite Pearl to these debates. Andrew Wilson could easily argue her positions and win against Trent but again. There’s a reason Pearl is the only one invited.

[@SJ-ru4ej]

I don’t think Andrew is the best representative, either. He married a woman who already had kids with 2 other men and he made her take a DNA test when she got pregnant again.

[@PanicAtTheDisco0011]

Does Pearl not have a manager? I don’t see the benefit to entering a formal debate when she’s clearly not even remotely prepared.

[@Mindy-ny8pm]

I truly believe she is a psychopath. He completely destroyed her argument yet she stays extremely arrogant and demeaning.

[@Grace-xv7nh]

And she laughs and attacks.....

[@benvindatati]

She can't find a man so therefore men shouldn't get married

[@sonylynce738]

Nah he did not. You just dislike Pearl. Neither one of them won that debate. They both brought a bunch of stats without any actual proofs. Pearl is single and the guy is a married man. He would've never spoken poorly on marriages cause his wife might be watching the debate. And Pearl shouldn't be talking on marriages cause she's never been married, but she knows these stuff based on watching her parents cause her parents are still married and quite financially stable as well. Stop hating on Pearl and try to see both side of the debates. They're both are lying to the audience.

[@SJ-ru4ej]

Pearl argues like she’s a teenage boy. Can’t stop talking about weight. Sex, silence, and sandwiches. Sex and food are great and needed in a relationship but my husband actually enjoys talking to me, values my opinions, and asks for my input. I’m 13 pounds heavier now than I was before I got pregnant with our first and he couldn’t care less because I take care of our kids all day and am still breastfeeding. A number on a scale means nothing to him. It’s never a conversation. Under her logic, he should divorce me. I don’t see any decent man wanting to put up with a combative, argumentative and smug woman like this.

[@fleskenialation]

God bless

[@leaf842]

Exactly. All she does is regurgitate 'red pill' nonsense. Not sure why she's even on this show.

[@pattysayssew3609]

Actual love is something she has never experienced.

[@funnynina1]

She so degenerate it hurts I hope she gets a life

[@MilahanPhilosophersCorner]

Agreed.

[@MiddleDaughter]

When Trent’s case for canonization moves forward, the Vatican will use this debate footage as proof of his miraculous patience.

[@orbeuniversity]

Hahaha!! 😂😂

[@davemoore7808]

lol

[@LRG396]

I don't know how he does this. Half the times, I need to move forward the video when she speaks

[@S33340]

Lol! Love this comment!😅

[@maurak6032]

This is the best comment I have seen

[@peaches41575]

As a woman, I don't want to claim her... Men don't seem to want her either 😂 as much as she tries to "pick me"

[@TheEroina]

her family doesn't claim her either btw..

[@Westernkoala]

I think Pearl has set herself up for a very unhappy life.

[@anicesunset2022]

Especially if she ever gains weight.

[@joshj3787]

23:59 ... As a married man going through chemo for leukemia, I can't imagine how I'd be doing this without my wife. The fact that she arranges child care for our 5 kids nearly every day of the week so that she can come sit with me for ~2 hours a day (kids are not allowed on this floor) is ironclad testimony of her character, devotion, and love.

[@carinamarie2663]

Sending prayers your way!

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

I'm so glad you have a great woman, and a beautiful family to keep you going.

[@serenity1255]

After one year of marriage my husband had stage 4 cancer. I took six months off my job to take care of him at home. It was very trying time and he was very nasty to me during that period. He pulled through and is ok. He then had a flesh eating bacteria and then a speech impediment and I was the one who noticed in all these issues something was off and advocated for tests and things from doctors. Till today he says if not for his wife he would be gone from this world. Meanwhile I see it as when you love someone and care about them this is simply what life is about.

[@swebilbo]

@@carinamarie2663 yeah that wont work....

[@dreamingmusic3299]

@@serenity1255 - And you are VERY rare for a woman. That is both a compliment to you as well as a very sad observation of women in general.

[@N30Striker]

It took a lot of courage for Pearl to do this debate. Let's pray for her conversion and her return to the Church.

[@eries77]

I think it’s more out of naivety or ignorance.

[@dbbiggs1042]

Did she officially leave the Catholic Church? I know she identified as a Catholic within the last 6 months to a year.

[@asamtaviajando8388]

She lives off the attention she gets from saying these things. She isn’t interested in seeing other people’s points of view, she is just making money. This is her job, this is her whole shtick. It has to be quite the conversion.

[@jaylaw.7660]

I agree.👍😩💭

[@blaynecarver2236]

@@dbbiggs1042 No. She didn't. This commenter just thinks they're God.

[@mariatowers7662]

“Sex, silence, and sandwiches”?? Wow that sounds super promising.

[@avivastudios2311]

She doesn't understand men at all.

[@monkey6207]

What a good deal for women marriage would be, wouldn't cause the opposite problem at all.

[@lunalee3021]

It sounds like such a grift-zinger dogwhistle that she doesn't actually even slightly believe in.

[@keithriley6962]

Men are simple. She simplified it..

[@monkey6207]

@@keithriley6962 Good to know you think they are all as shallow as you.

[@Wrongyouare]

Pearl is literally the modern woman she complains about. She argues with men all the time, she has casual adult fun, and she is older. It's crazy.

[@mellieg.7543]

I think we can all agree the true Winner of this debate is Matt Fradd for hosting and moderating this for all of us.

[@MicaTuHermanaMayor]

I just wished he had moderated better. Pearl interrupting every 2 seconds, laughing at his opponent and having no manners needed more corrections and Trent should have gotten some extra time because of that.

[@mellieg.7543]

​@@MicaTuHermanaMayorYeah, she definitely interrupted far, far, too much, but to be fair Matt did give Trent more time for his closing statement, and Trent was pretty good at telling her to not interrupt him, himself.

[@Danboy0001]

Unfortunately, I think Matt was the big letdown in this debate. Very poorly moderated. Massive missed opportunity.

[@JonDot]

Man said it for us all

[@AK-ZL1]

@@Danboy0001 I kinda disagree, I think Matt did a great job as a moderator, I think the issue was just that Pearl rambled and wasted her own time monologuing rather than engaging with the debate, she is however able to do that during her time if she chooses to do so, it obviously doesn't really contribute to a meaningful debate and is going pretty much guarantee that she loses the debate, but that isn't the moderators fault.

[@TheSauce808]

Trent is an intellectual powerhouse. He always Steelmans his opponents points and tackles it head on. He’s the reason why I’m taking a second look at the Catholic faith I left a decade ago. Trent if you see this, you’re doing great man! Keep it up

[@coolservantjesusswag2936]

You should look into Dr. Peter Kreeft then and soon I will be saying welcome home!

[@mildadventures4427]

Scott Hahn is an amazing source as well! God Bless and good luck with your research in the Catholic faith!

[@littleboots9800]

Yes, he does. It's one of the reasons I like watching him so much. Gavin Ortlund (who Trent has debated, hosted by Matt actually,) does the same. I like that he always tries to represent the other persons beliefs in a way they would actuaĺy recognise and agree with. Trent takes care with this too and they both make a distinction between doctrine and official teaching and how the laity actually practice. So many Christian youtubers don't make an effort to do this and I think charity, honesty and integrity demand this so I love seeing it in those two guys. Trent is going to wipe the floor with Pearl here, (respectfully of course!) Tbh I think it's beneath him but it's those who follow Pearl, the redpillers that he's trying to reach, not convince her so it's worth it I guess!

[@braedenh6858]

He did not steelman Pearl here. To steelman her argument would be to admit that she has valid points about marriage being a risk. He did not do that.

[@cdeep4548]

@@braedenh6858Admission is conceding. There would be no debate. 🙄

[@thefamilypodcast9556]

I've heard that Pearl hasn't had much experience with long term dating and it really shows in the way she talks about relationships and marriage. Her idea of marriage is exactly what I'd expect from someone who has never been in a serious relationship. It really does seem like the conculsion of Pearls ideology is that men should date men because she is absolutely incapable of extending any charity to women.

[@Musingnotes]

Yes, the redpill boys often sound gay.

[@lunalee3021]

@@Musingnotes LITERALLY

[@TheMatrixofMeaning]

I've been married for 22 years and I agree with every single word. My comments are going to disappear if I try to explain further

[@calebklingerman7902]

Pearl’s own behavior is the best argument in support of her claim that women have gotten worse

[@MercedesGoVroom]

“So in this debate we know which is the more rational one” HE MIC DROPPED HER RIGHT THERE AND SHE DIDNT EVEN REALIZE IT

[@vortexlight8387]

she realized it and rebuked t by saying "men, not simps".

[@kojo2773]

Before you want men to get legally married, remove alimony and division of assets laws.

[@dannyknightblade4592]

​@@vortexlight8387 This debate was between Trent and Pearl; a man and a woman. The man was the more rational one over the woman grifter simping for men.

[@julia9557]

It's annoying how much of the debate was wasted by Pearl obsessively fixating on women's weight

[@jenniferbritton2354]

YES!!! Drove me bananas that 15 pounds is suddenly obese!

[@empresspoobah]

Pearl's weight has ballooned in the past couple of years. She can't even meet her own standards.

[@reroan2670]

She probably lost a man to a woman who was overweight, probably because that overweight lady wasn't a total b!tch

[@Metanoia000]

@@empresspoobahyeah she’s cringe but Trent’s egalitarian talking points were way worse

[@empresspoobah]

@@Metanoia000 I wholeheartedly disagree. Pearl was pulling stats out of her arse and could not back them up. "I spoke to 1000 women blab blab." Same tired BS she always comes up with. Meanwhile he quotes a study with hundreds of thousands. He smoked her. I know in theory that egalitarianism is probably a pipe dream, but it is something we should strive for, not mock

[@karlasanchez5981]

Pearl's rude behavior and lack of intellect were rewarded by Matt as a moderator. He held Trent to more strict adherence to the rules of debate than he did Pearl. Perhaps he was going easy on her because she was unfamiliar with debate. Also, Pearl only had a few points to make and repeated them ad nauseum.

[@PatI-zg9gm]

She only has a limited amount of rhetoric to espouse. It is also indicative of “taking a side”, and not budging. This is never productive, and often disingenuous.

[@katieilardi3214]

She makes my blood boil. I don't understand why people debate her. She's not married & no children. What would she know about these things if you don't experience & live it? She has also never been in a long-term relationship, isn't a virgin, looks like she could lose a couple of pounds & isn't conventionally pretty. She goes to bat for these conservative men who will never choose her.

[@KC-dx4qt]

👏 👏

[@sonylynce738]

You don't have to be married to know these things, Dear. Plus her parents are still married and live together and her brothers are married. She might learn it from them. But anyway, they're both lying to the audience. Neither one of them brought in actual proofs, for their discussion to be accurate, they need to present the legitimate sites that they got them from, but they didn't. the guy is a married man. Of course he'll speak highly about marriages, his wife might be watching the debate. But I can't seem to figure out Pearl's true intentions in this, but I'll find out one day cause nobody can hide their true intentions for long.

[@victoriaholmes675]

The reason Pearl sees women as low-worth is because she’s sees herself that way and is projecting that on other women. It’s just sad to see her on anything

[@caseyk.1386]

I’d love to hear what the women in her family think. Do they all see themselves as the good kind of women or are they offended? We’re they terrible role models? Idk, I’m curious.

[@victoriaholmes675]

​@@caseyk.1386 She said her parents were married! I imagine it was a good home. I also saw in a twitter post from a former friend of hers that she changed her personality considerably when she realized she could build a following off of what she says now. I think she has a sister too?

[@kdsrim]

I think it started off in a good way but like a lot of things became extreme when the money started rolling in. It’s kind of become her persona now.

[@Mikethemerciless11]

You, yourself, are projecting.

[@a-atheist]

The reason you see pearl as low-worth is because you see yourself that way and is projecting it onto her. It's sad anyone could comment so poorly.

[@vh405]

This whole debate can be summed up in one thing: Pearl has no clue what VIRTUE is. By the way, Trent’s closing statement was beautiful. Well done, Trent!

[@mraemartinez]

Pearl doesn’t have a Biblical point of view..that’s her problem. She understands the rot of the culture.

[@Christusregna]

@@mraemartinez she knows there is a rot but like all pagans offers a false solution.

[@AnOpinionatedMan]

​@mraemartinez Pearl makes her money making men less interested in marriage or finding a woman by presenting the idea that all women are bad. She IS the rot in the culture

[@Emmanuel_EEE]

Why should a secular man get married?

[@Christusregna]

@@Emmanuel_EEE nothing, secular men should do what pagans do, live the good old hedonistic life. The problem is that pearl claims to be Christian, Catholic for that matter.

[@danielsosa195]

Marriage is a bad deal if you marry Pearl that’s for sure. In the Catholic Church, marriage is a sacrament called matrimony, which is a permanent union between a man and a woman that symbolizes the marriage of Christ and his Church. It is a covenant that is more than a contract, and is based on the free consent of the couple. The couple's consent is an act of their will to give and accept each other mutually, and must be manifested in a legitimate manner as determined by the Church. This consent is total and free, and is what brings about the sacrament of marriage. Marriage is the best thing that happen in my life thanks God 🙏

[@aralsea1]

No-one cares about this anymore. Especially when men lose everything.

[@emmus7908]

Pearl: ⚫️👄⚫️ Lights are on, nobody’s home

[@indigobaloon8091]

That is you.

[@emperor_mozzy]

During Trent's closing statement, when Pearl tried to interrupt him, his "Be obedient, quiet," was such a great stab.

[@Grace-xv7nh]

Love that

[@DSN262]

Are they married?

[@lambchop-bs3fy]

​@@DSN262They aren't married, she isn't married.....and not even a steady long term boyfriend but easily led men will tune in to hear her 'Expert' advice and memorised talking points that she has never and will never experience as a female

[@Grace-xv7nh]

@@DSN262 he's just giving her practice to be obedient like she said women should be

[@DavidPienaar]

​@@Grace-xv7nhLoser.

[@peanutnetwork]

Trent saying Pearl simps for men is his way of calling her a Pick Me lol

[@user-fl9ps8xf2y]

You know the difference between simps and pick-mes? Pick-mes actually get picked by men. Simping turns off women almost completely.

[@tomasrocha6139]

@@user-fl9ps8xf2y Pearl has yet to be picked

[@user-fl9ps8xf2y]

@@tomasrocha6139 She actually has a boyfriend and probably 100,000 men who would wife her. Only she since she out earns them she is likely to refuse marriage because just like she says “it’s crazy to sign a contract the other party is paid to break”. It very rare to see rich women marry significantly poorer men because they might end up like Kelly Clarkson. I guarantee Clarkson doesn’t take that risk again. Only we want to demand the typical man be even more reckless considering over 90% of the time it’s them paying alimony to women who left in no fault divorce cases.

[@tomasrocha6139]

@@JacobsNews ?

[@JacobsNews]

@@tomasrocha6139 Sorry, the guy seems more about feelings than facts . He said corn stars are the same as guys who watch corn . Marry girls with stds and used a study from 1993 for dating. She had to explain that most people under 30 meet online

[@blaire3]

I can’t stand when she says “you guys always say xyz” in a demeaning way. Categorizing Trent as part of some bigger general group. I really need her to better define what group she’s specifically talking about when she says that. It’s not fair for her to put words in Trent’s mouth as being part of “you guys” when we have no idea who “you guys” is!

[@Rebecca-os9nz]

Men aren't signing up for marriage because they can get all the benefits of marriage without legally signing up. The real issue is just the moral decline of both men and women over the years....Pearl is blaming women, but both sexes are to blame.

[@bezel95]

Pearl: *Continuously talks over both her opponent and the moderator.* Also Pearl when Trent responds to her baseless claims: “Let me finish!”

[@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024]

That's one layer of the hypocrisy. There's a second (at least a second) layer as well: Pearl (paraphrasing): "men don't like it when women are constantly interrupting them and being condescending" in the same breath she condescends and constantly interrupts Trent.

[@ShaawtyB]

That's one thing that annoys the mess outta me about her. She does the same thing that the 'modern woman'. Talks down on woman for doing exactly what she herself does lol

[@pmaitrasm]

@@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024, I suppose Trent should stick to his monologues because his devotees are not comfortable seeing him facing uncomfortable questions.

[@aintnoisepollution99]

I found it endlessly amusing that a very large part of Pearl’s argument is that men are very rational, smart creatures; but as soon as she was presented with the fact that men say they are happy being married she concludes that they must be lying.

[@SJ-ru4ej]

She said men are logical but later on said the men who get married after divorce don’t make logical decisions when it comes to love. She can’t keep up with her own statements. She’s a joke.

[@aservantinbabylon]

Its very logical for men to lie about their state of affairs today when women literally have a gun to their heads via the state.

[@a-atheist]

@@SJ-ru4ej The joke is when you think that's her contradicting herself. It isn't. It's not a contradiction to say most men are logical, and then when trent pulls people that are obvious OUTLIERS to say they aren't being logical.

[@SJ-ru4ej]

@@a-atheist I don't think he's talking about outliers. He was able to cite statistics, Pearl can't. "I'm a woman, I know what we pick" "Lol women gain weight within the first 5 years of marriage" (Which is usually when kids happen). Neither of those are arguments.

[@ronnie1191]

An unmarried woman and never married woman can only look at marriage from the perspective of a single woman... which is why she thinks a man is only interested in sex and silence. That's a bachelor not a husband... Similar to single college kids who argue for abortion.

[@bapam2]

Everyone LIES about their level of happiness so how good is that type of survey??? Ridiculous

[@freddyfang8842]

If marriage is so good where is all the marriages?

[@sassychimpanzee7431]

Pearl is the archetypal devouring mother. Rather than encouraging men to be better, take risks, and face the world, she treats men like babies and victims. Its no different than the mother who keeps treating her adult son like a baby because she doesnt want him to leave her. "Those women out there are mean and no good. Stay home. Nobody can love you like mommy can."

[@lvup7907]

do you see something in pearl that you see in your own mother ?

[@Hearth123]

Exactly, I have said this many times. Pearl is the embodiment of the devouring mother, that person you run to for validation whether you deserve it or not

[@vaderkurt7848]

And she also should encourage women to do better. It goes both ways.

[@laraluna9365]

@@lvup7907did this comment hurt your feelings because it was true?

[@smokeydapot]

​@@lvup7907 We can play this game ad infinitum though. Why did you assume he was thinking about his own mother? What does that projection say about your relationship to yours?

[@cantbeaslave]

Pearl is acting like the women she complains about. She's disrespectful to him and interrupts. She's also giving him contempt with her attitude.

[@matthewthomasjames]

She’s giving 99% of all viewers contempt with her attitude.

[@Yeshuas-_-Servant]

True, however it is a debate, so i'm not surprised she subconsciously takes an aggressive/masculine approach.

[@InsaneCopePosse]

Cool now refute her arguments

[@smh9112]

​@@InsaneCopePossesimp

[@adrianmizen5070]

It's a debate, it's going to be contentious. The rules for the cross examination explicitly allow interrupting. In that situation, if you don't interrupt your opponent can stall until your time is up. Would you have the same problem if a man were doing this to Mr Horn?

[@troubledguest7118]

Can anyone imagine Pearl being submissive to a husband?

[@icedcoffee9937]

Pearl saying you should be the same weight the whole marriage, including while PREGNANT is so ludicrous to me. Oh and Pearl, I’m not overweight…

[@AJanae.]

Or even after pregnancy! Pregnancy is a HUGE thing for your body to take on. It would be incredible if you could maintain the exact same body before and after pregnancy

[@keithriley6962]

She never said while pregnant. But just keep yourself up..

[@katieociardha2196]

Yeah, good thing there's no science on breastfeeding and increased weight 🙄 in order to feed the baby in hard times, most women's bodies hold onto an extra 10-20 pounds whilst breastfeeding, which is advised to be for 2 years (WHO). So I guess men should divorce women who are prioritizing the health and nutrition of their children?

[@aralsea1]

No but a woman shouldn't weight 200lbs. And definitely not 300lbs. There are loads of both in the west.

[@elizabeth52629]

It seems that Pearl completely disregards the dignity of women during this interview. The way that she talked about women in this interview is absolutely horrible.

[@SJ-ru4ej]

She doesn't like other women. Have a look at her tweets... The stuff she says is either from a place of bitterness, resentment, overall dislike, whatever... Or just pure rage baiting/engagement farming. Probably a mixture of both. She knows what she's doing because she appeals to a particular group of men who will always follow her content based on some of the things she says.

[@elizabeth52629]

That is very sad.

[@jorge-7121]

OR perhaps the way women are behaving today is horrible. 15 % of women under 35 in us are sex workers

[@jaydas8976]

Pearl is known to very sexist towards women, she says she’s not sexist, but every time she talks about women, she degrades them

[@cunjoz]

>women >dignity kek

[@Hearth123]

Pearl does not understand some very basic things 1. Logical fallacies 2. Sampling bias 3. Disincentives as opposed to incentives 4. Virtues 5. Marriage

[@dreamingmusic3299]

Pearl isn't a debater, she's a talk show host.

[@marvelator8303]

This should literally be top comment

[@discussingsplinterlands7728]

It's funny you mention sampling bias. Trent is the one who uses a survey of STILL MARRIED men to argue that marriage makes men happier. Pearl pointed out that his stats about men being healthier and more successful in a marriage could also be based on sampling bias, since women prefer to marry healthy, successful men. He had absolutely no answer to that. Embarrassing on his part.

[@Hearth123]

@@discussingsplinterlands7728 he can't help that you didn't comprehend his answer. Trent addressed that argument by saying at the very least marriage didn't make those men unhappy ergo, at the very least, marriage cannot reasonably be said to take happiness away, that's the argument. His surveys are massive, the idea that all those men were happy, handsome and successful is just ridiculous. Most men are just average like most women, they're not exceptional by definition. Multi level population level surveys with hundreds of thousands of randomized participants in a category is not a sampling bias, she just has an unproven explanation hypothesis. Even amongst divorced men, the majority go on to marry again hence they did not perceive marriage itself to be a bad deal. Pearl's only retort to this is that those men are irrational in her view. Pearl's sampling bias is her citing her interviews as evidence for a wider phenomenon when she specifically interviews a subsection of men with a specific experience, that's a blatant sampling bias. It would be like me interviewing a bunch of people suing hospitals about their experience with doctors and acting like that was representative of the average person visiting a hospital or if I interviewed a bunch of women who were beaten by their husbands about how violent men are and used that as evidence of the average man being violent.

[@discussingsplinterlands7728]

@@Hearth123 He is talking about a survey of STILL MARRIED men. If you take out everybody who's marriage has failed, of course you will be left with more people who are not massively unhappy with their marriage. It's not difficult to understand. That's the same as if Pearl would refer to a study of only divorced men and take those results to speak for all men who ever got married. That would be equally ridiculous. I am not defending Pearl, btw. She is really bad at debates and bad at arguing. I am just saying that Trent did a pretty bad job.

[@johnslagboom1836]

There is no debate. Current law does not match Marriage vows. No Fault Divorce turns Marriage into a contract at best that does not support Marriage as the Covenant, which the Vows before God and the Community represent. End of the Debate!

[@drewgonzales4533]

The notion of a contractual marriage that has a high probability of failing to a standard modern women is all the evidence you need that it's nonsense. This is guy sounds like a traditionalist or christian fundamentalist. No dude is getting married for good health he is typically doing it because the girl is asking for commitment to get assurance that he cannot leave her high and dry. Marriage benefits exclusively women not men. She should have argued through the case that marriage is on the decline, it serves no functional purpose nor no relative difference to cohabitation other than in the case of a legal union under the law or maybe she could target his fallacy of using good health as a justification for marriage. Another option is to say that correlation does not equate to casuation in the same way we could say that single men live long and health lives in a specific age group. He obviously cherrypicked these studies. She's a trash debater.

[@ThePlainNsimple]

Trent is literally the biggest simp in the world.

[@manager4409]

these christian guys have a real smug arrogance to them

[@NotBlandBlandina]

We need to pray Pearl finds Jesus and returns to the Church

[@colin4758]

Especially because she thinks that maybe the Church has elevated Mary to a higher status than she needs to be. That's a big thing in my mind.

[@paulpangilinan9455]

This is not an argument of religion. It is an argument of marriage in general including secularists based on empiricism not moralism

[@carakerr4081]

Pearl is a Catholic

[@mambofuego5101]

Why is the Church feminizing men?

[@BDKing-hh7pk]

In west marriage is a secular contract which heavily punishes men if they dont entertain women. But still chrstians forcing secular men to marry. No wonder Christianity is keep declining.

[@hap1678]

Unironically listening to Pearl annoys me as much as listening to feminists

[@bengensiejewski5002]

She’s a outcome of feminism

[@esthert9146]

Sadly I do know two men who thinks like her.

[@stcolreplover]

Same thing really

[@natalielangford7589]

She's merely anti-feminist which is actually the same thing. Rejection of the truth.

[@littleone1656]

That's bc everything she's saying is feminist

[@CryoftheProphet]

Pearl is legitimately evil and bad advice for men to listen to.

[@fatimasobalvarro6276]

Her saying she is okay with being a long term girlfriend is insaaane to me. If she truly believes women should “wait for marriage” or be virgins, yet says men need sex, I wonder if she, herself, would be having sex with her “long term boyfriend” to “fulfill” his needs.

[@jbichotte]

The point is she isn't a virgin so she can't expect marriage

[@bezel95]

Pearl is so focused on the superficial aspects of marriage that there’s no room for growth, forgiveness and love. She’s expecting people to go into marriage already perfect and never make a mistake. That has never once happened in a marriage. Like Trent said, men do better, work harder and are happier after getting married, marriage allows both to become better people.

[@user-bl8sr7xf5z]

There was never proof that those men werent already going to be successful prior to the marriage women could be selecting men who already have those traits attributing it to marriage is throwing a dart and painting a target around it

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@user-bl8sr7xf5z If all you care about is money then go by that standard alone. It's shallow and meaningless. Marriage offers a whole lot more than more money. Though married men do work harder and garner more assets. Assets being a good wife, children, inlaws, more community, longer life, better quality of life and all the other things that Trent mentioned. You've clearly been snow jobbed by the poison pill bowel movement, but it's built on falsified stats, flagrant omissions and outright lies.

[@biobelewilliam-west1310]

Who pays for those mistakes and bears the responsibility of these failed rigged modern day marriages…..

[@isaacw8503]

@@user-bl8sr7xf5zActually, this is not true. We have studies that have done multivariate analysis that account for the marriage itself, and which show that the marriage is a meaningful factor for success in the workplace.

[@TreeTrinity]

@@user-bl8sr7xf5z I think it’s a combination. Women choose men with potential, and men with potential often perform better when they have a wife and family to motivate them.

[@kalebc2134]

As someone who loves watching debates, this was painful to watch. It was like watching a middle schooler debate Albert Einstein on physics and whenever Einstein tried to make a point the middle schooler just made fart noises and laughed as a rebuttal

[@Grace-xv7nh]

Yep. Crazy. Train wreck on her behalf and she didn't even realize it

[@williamerekson9503]

😂

[@gasdajuice3918]

You must be a powerhouse of debate…. I can tell from your insightful analysis of the interaction here… 😂

[@kalebc2134]

@@gasdajuice3918 I may be a debate powerhouse, I may not. I’ve never been in a sanctioned debate. But I can tell you who definitely isn’t, and that’s Pearl lol

[@kailaleebabineau3962]

Isn't "no tattoos" a wildly out of touch standard? Pretty sure theres been no culture taboo against tattoos for at least twenty years. Yet she has the nerve to call trent out of touch?

[@matthewjohnston1400]

Leviticus 19:28

[@pearlescobar9449]

@Pints With Aquinas PLEASE do not bring Pearl Davis back to this show! This debate wasn’t very fair with Pearl’s conduct and etiquette

[@mrjustadude1]

I'm a dude and being married has been awesome.

[@vortexlight8387]

until your wife FEELS like divorcing you and you will be stripped by the government.

[@jeantanamo]

@@vortexlight8387you’ve obviously never been married or in a relationship with a woman

[@funicon3689]

@@jeantanamohe's probably divorced

[@MoneyGrowth162]

@@vortexlight8387your 10 years ago bro. stop watching red pill and go outside

[@bethany7505]

@@vortexlight8387okay guy because you know all about it 🙄🙄🙄

[@truegirl2anna]

In summation: Pearl thinks a woman is only worth how beautiful she is. If she’s fat? Not worthy. If she has had a sexual past trying to redeem herself from? Too damaged. I can only imagine how Pearl sees herself. Very sad perspective to hold so close, especially her being a woman herself. Lord have mercy.

[@MichelleBowling707]

It seems to me that she's making it her business to blame all women for her lack of ability to get a husband.

[@sivad1025]

To be completely fair, she totally caught Trent justifying low standards. Trent is right on marriage, but men need to grow a backbone and tell their wives it's not cute to be super overweight and unhealthy. Women need to do the same things with their husbands. Oue low stabdards for physical appearance are a huge issue

[@winstonvontoast6163]

@@sivad1025 No one ever said that it is okay to be unhealthy or overweight. Trent deals with that when he is talking about virtue.

[@sivad1025]

@winstonvontoast6163 Trent said it was "shallow" to ask your spouse to fix it though. Catholics are usually good about defending the importance of carnal experience which makes it more frustrating that Trent wanted to downplay physical appearance

[@supernerd8067]

​@sivad1025 I think Trent's point was to not make beauty the be-all end-all. No one is going to maintain their youthful appearance forever. Trent is saying to look beyond the superficial. He is not saying lower your standards and settle. He's saying, "Don't have unrealistic expectations." We are not cartoon characters. We age and change.

[@VannaMae]

I am so grateful Im in a loving relationship with a man Im about to marry. We take care of eachother. I feel like Pearl will never fully experience a loving man because of this weird crusade shes on.

[@manda_musings8459]

And you would be correct

[@Sarah-wk5zn]

She's wrong about visceral fat, men are prone to carry more visceral fat than women.

[@awsambdaman]

Like are you talking total poundage? But that’s just men weigh more. Women do have naturally higher body fats

[@Sarah-wk5zn]

@@awsambdaman I'm talking abdominal fat and the fat that surrounds the organs such as the heart

[@promking4575]

“Because your question is under defined and it can’t be answered.” Where’s the sun glasses, cigar, and gold chain for Trent?!

[@Hello_World_Channel]

😂

[@marshabowers3612]

😂😂😂

[@jorge-7121]

Yeah, that is good point, but he lost the whole debate, because simply there is no objective reason for men to marry.

[@Paterquia]

I find it ironic that Pearl dismisses Trent for being married, but she is unmarried and has never been married and claims to have some expertise in the field. She's a hypocrite and doesn't even realize it.

[@lizethcantu]

Wow, she couldn't even answer the simple question right away that Trent asked her about if she thinks that men and women have the same dignity🤯 I'm just shocked that a woman feels this way about her own sex. The more I watch of this, the more shocked I get.

[@monkey6207]

Pearl: "I wOuLd LiKe A yEs Or nO". College 101: You get an F on your essay if you reduce complex conversations to Yes or No. Why are we listening to someone who doesn't even know that?

[@monkey6207]

Demanding that in a debate is so babyish it's like, why is she even here?

[@andrewocchino]

It’s interesting, I’ve noticed that every time Pearl doesn’t have an argument she just laughs the other person off as if their argument is stupid. I noticed she did the same thing when she debated Michael Knowles. Damn this woman is insufferable

[@adrianmizen5070]

Horn and Knowles picked their opponents wisely, as Ben Shapiro often does. There are scads of MGTOW men on YT who would have loved to debate Horn on this topic but he wouldn't dare.

[@LauraBeeDannon]

@adrianmizen5070 why? Have they been as big on youtube and asked for a debate?

[@PB_324]

​@@adrianmizen5070 MGTOWS never go their own way and are usually very sick people

[@JacobsNews]

​@@LauraBeeDannonAndrew Wilson has called everybody out and he's got a large following and he's married

[@kylelemke]

Trent having to ask “do you want me to answer the question” is pure comedy

[@a-atheist]

What is even funnier is all the people who think Trent won.

[@kylelemke]

@@a-atheist it’s pretty clear he did. I think Pearl did a good opening statement, but it went downhill from there. She lost on the actual argument as well as just being a debater in general. Her whole argument about why men shouldn’t marry is so superficial and just doesn’t apply to a great deal of women.

[@salsalee4322]

​@@a-atheist imagine telling the world you are agree with snake girl like pearl

[@Sher7061]

When a lady marries young, and relies on her husband for all support, it is a huge risk. If she finds herself in a truly abusive situation, she will be in a very severe situation trying to leave and provide for herself. Marriage is a risk for both. Pearl wants the females to marry young and forgoes education. She is risking poverty if her husband leaves her.

[@aralsea1]

How about abusive women? Should a man lose everything to an abusive wife?

[@Sher7061]

@@aralsea1 No. Like I said marriage is a risk for both. No one should be abused by anyone. No man should lose everything either.

[@barbie6391]

Marriage is a horrible deal for men today, frankly I think if you are not getting married strictly to please God, you are insane to tie yourself to someone like that.

[@PrisonMike-_-]

Pearl is just as shallow as the women she’s claiming to be opposed to

[@lvup7907]

i think you see in Pearl something you dont like about yourself

[@PrisonMike-_-]

@@lvup7907 and I think you’re only looking for opposition because you find something lacking in yourself

[@AnaMT1985]

Absolutely 💯 %

[@slothisasin8240]

I think she is more shallow. The vast majority of people I know have settled down with average men (some above average, some below but the majority of them are average). She is 27 and should have been able to find a man who she could marry, but she isn't married. She is not ugly and she is at an average weight, she is tall but I know women her height who have husbands. It could be something else, but it wouldn't surprize me if she was picky. There is nothing bad in being picky, you might just not be able to get what you want.

[@cfban]

Woman who makes a living by getting attention from lonely men on the Internet calls succesful married man with three children and a wonderful stay-at-home wife a "simp". What a time to be alive.

[@MoniqueGonzalez1212]

So I have to ask, why is a happily married man debating with a single woman dedicated to demeaning marriage, about the merits or non-merits of marriage?? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ It’s impossible for her to know anything!!

[@meglukes]

At this point simp = not a misogynist. Women can be misogynists just like men can be misandrists, ask a male feminist.

[@cfban]

@@MoniqueGonzalez1212 yeah, I think that it's a mistake to give her the attention that she clearly is after. But to play the devil's advocate, maybe it's because she's popular and has a large audience that needs to hear a better message than what they get with her.

[@Devoted_Catholic777]

@@meglukesTrent literally said it’s unreasonable to not want to date a porn star so many things he said were INSANE 😂😂 stop simping

[@Devoted_Catholic777]

@@cfbanno she’s correct on many things! Trent said men watching porn is the same thing as a women being a porn start that’s not the same standard 😂😂😂

[@John__-ie3od]

Can't believe conservatives are using feminist talking points. Trent says Pearl should use data, but all he uses is anecdotal information.

[@iainchristie8479]

Pearl gets criticised for not being married so she is supposedly uninformed, but a lot of married people who criticise her haven’t been divorced so what do they know?

[@Joe-gi3nj]

A few things. Based on your logic, if married men aren’t qualified because they haven’t been divorced, then Pearl would be even worse because she’s never even been a “candidate” for divorce. Also, most aren’t saying she’s uniformed because she’s never been married…they’re saying she’s uniformed because she’s talking out of her butt and her ideas smell like it. She doesn’t have a clue, not because she’s never been married, but because she’s talking out of her derrière

[@PatI-zg9gm]

The problem with Davis is not about her status, it is that she just throws things out that either make no sense, or that she can’t validate.