Is Meat Really that Bad?

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[@wailordzp6363]

Food. :)

[@YoJellooo]

🥩

[@taizu55]

Hi

[@isarea_]

I love you

[@chieckenman4432]

MEAT IS GOOD

[@vianabdullah2837]

Not having dislikes means I can't really tell how well-received this video is. Which sucks because this is such a heated topic.

[@GeekFurious]

Why does it matter?

[@jpHasABadHandle]

​@@filgaming7746 Which will only work for 'til the end of the year, when KZbin will even remove dislikes from their APIs.

[@clutrike7956]

It's a really good thing for the 'content creators'. Now they can say horrendously idiotic things without any sense of criticism or disapproval. Now there's no real way of voicing such disapproval. Comments do nothing, you can upload a video response but literally no one will see it or care. The era of stupidity has begun.

[@SymmetricalDocking]

@@pawaniyer Fanciful worship and blind faith on your part, but reality finds it inaccurate. You can learn a lot of things from Kurzgesagt and there's also a lot they get wrong. Stop accepting everything blindly.

[@lucidmime]

we need to start a petition to bring dislikes back

[@fudgesauce]

One thing to keep in mind: you don't have to go 100% vegan or vegetarian ... it isn't all or nothing. If you replace beef with pork or chicken, great. If you eat meat less often or have smaller portions, great. That all helps. I have changed to a mostly vegetarian diet but when I get Thai food (a couple times a month) I opt for chicken. If I'm eating with others and we are sharing food, I'll have what they're having, no fuss about insisting on vegetarian options.

[@Literarydilettante]

Yes!!!

[@arthas640]

I think the Catholics had it right with their vegetarian days. In medieval times they'd eat beans instead of meat a few days a week and I think everyone should do the same (but also include eggs as a protein).

[@MasterArrow]

THANK YOU! Nobody (other than the vegan extremists, who make up a very small, but vocal portion of us) wants to force people to eat the Beyond/Impossible/Gardein products. Literally all we want is for people to consider their options and see if changing 1 part of their diet is feasible. As stated in the video, more often than not, it's those few small decisions that make the biggest longterm difference. Go fully vegan? Awesome! Cut out 1 single beef dish per year? Still great! *One step forward is all it takes!*

[@RJ_Ehlert]

I have been giving up eating mammals.

[@SVURulez]

And that's great if you're happy eating that. Some people get a greater joy from eating pork or beef and they're not required to give up the things that make them happy when there are plenty of other things that other people choose to do that contribute just as much or more to climate change. Just because a bunch of people who don't appreciate food decided it's easy to cut back on meat doesn't mean that it's the main problem or solution.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

“Food is arguably the best thing about being alive” Everyone who loves food: “I felt that”

[@SilverBirb]

Hi ;))

[@thatguynamedtohuki]

will you ever grow a mustache?

[@akshit_sharma1]

I am THE FIRST

[@SilverBirb]

@@glare2765 AM FIRST

[@imbatman5110]

You I see you everywhere!!!! Haaaaa

[@Heathy22]

Would be great if you guys also did a video on overfishing and seafood. Exploitation of fish stocks is a much larger issue than plastic pollution, but the media never cover it. I'm a marine biology undergraduate and I feel this is a super important topic for people to know about alongside this! How cutting down on the consumption of unsustainable seafood (and what that means) compares to farmed meat would be be perfect for a Kurzgesagt video! Edit: Also important to consider why this is such a difficult problem - due to the fishing industry being highly corporate and lucrative, while having a black market too. Not only this, but along with the health benefits of some seafood (e.g. omega 3 in oily fish), many countries (particularly poor island nations) rely on seafood as their main protein source. Sustainability is the ultimate goal and I'd love to see how kurzgesagt suggest we reach it! :)

[@craftycadence3685]

This video wasn't over plastic pollution? It was over the most impactful pollution; greenhouse gasses. Which are destroying our planet. Not just one section but the entire planet. Oceans, forests, icebergs they are all facing the consequences of our greenhouse gas emissions.

[@oldbillybobjoe]

I absolutely agree

[@WahibQupty]

Yes please!

[@Yaminoeyes]

This is why I only buy local fishery meat and (when possible) meat not raised on a factory farm, but a smaller one

[@permilaroshani8024]

Agreed, please ❤❤

[@atakanmercan566]

I like that you guys actually did not hide the fact that factory meat production is actually better than locally. I'm still against harsh conditions in factory meat production but it is actually pretty nice that you actually showed us the truth

[@AnymMusic]

same. I'd rather buy locally just to know the animals have likely had a better life, even then, just balancing plant based meals and meat meals should also at least fix a lot of the problems locally could cause

[@N1ko0L]

Tbf the solution is simple, just eat meat once or twice a week, it's save money, it's save earth, and it's better for your health, and a lot better than buying discount meat every day, being omnivore dosen't mean we need to eat equal amounts of meat and vegetables

[@kimsanghyuk97]

@@N1ko0L It's crazy simple right? I don't understand why people are so adamant that they have to eat meat every day; it's not a big ask to cut it down to once or twice a week, or even better, only have it for special occasions

[@Nuvizzle]

The best thing about this is that putting heavy regulations on factory farms would still provide better outcomes for animals AND more efficient meat for us. The only reason we're not seeing more research and funding for things like lab grown meat as a livestock replacement is because the livestock industry is so lucrative and monopolized. Regulate the emissions, regulate the cruelty, and I guarantee you we'll be seeing massive breakthroughs in affordable meat products that are genetically identical to beef without ever having to grow and butcher a cow.

[@FierceFire14]

@@kimsanghyuk97 instant change like that would be difficult to swallow. Like if I told myself at 10 I would eat close to a third of the sugar I ate at that time, I wouldn't be able to. But that's what I'm currently doing, and stuff with stupid high sugar content doesn't taste good anymore. The only reason I'm able to is because my mom slowly decreased the amount of sugar in everything we baked and ate.

[@thyalchemist]

Video suggestion: Can you guys show us the current status of lab grown meat and vertical farming technology? Love your work!

[@crocodileguy4687]

Yess please!

[@Jambi14]

Unfortunately it is nowhere close in terms of scalability let alone acceptability and affordability, even at scale. At best, all it ever will be is a niche indulgence.

[@LunaPaviseSolcryst]

There's a video on the RealScience channel about it actually. Tldr; It's really hard to grow meat outside of a body and currently requires copious amounts of aborted cow fetus blood in the form of FBS (Fetal Bovine Serum).

[@Luigicat11]

Definitely want to see this. Lab-grown meat seems like the most viable way to fix the majority of problems with meat, without forcing people to just stop eating meat.

[@obbscur2]

also more GMO !

[@goosebandicoot7083]

I initially read this as “Is Meth Really that Bad?” and for a moment was very concerned for Kurzgesagt

[@scrambledmandible]

That's the next video

[@homosexualamphibian359]

I'd watch that

[@jameskilgour387]

It would explain some of the more wacky animations on the videos

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

No, it's not bad at all, actually. Perhaps that's why this 8-ball is just dying to be your friend.

[@lampwick4427]

Kurzgesagt desperately trying to explain away all the all-nighter they have to make quality videos for us.

[@camilascatonebedin3002]

When you said "especially in Brazil", as a Brazilian, I wanted to cry. We have this really nice and important forest and we are burning it down, wtf

[@chicomaroto]

Se tu vive em algum lugar do norte, essa não é nem a pior parte. Em pouco em pouco a gente avança área verde pra fazer mais apartamentos e condomínios, sem contar invasões

[@goldenfish4150]

Same, im from Brazil and i was sad. We just burn every day the floresta Amazônia

[@angeloa.lapizar8139]

True

[@IndigoVoltage]

As another brazilian, I agree that burning the amazon forest will not just bring consequences for Brazil, Colombia and other countries which the forest is also located in, but for the whole world The amazonian forest isn't called "Lung of the World" for no reason

[@sipriano9829]

Calma. Tem que ver o porque e como a "preservação da Amazônia" é feita. Métodos estúpidos como somente entregar pra ONGS internacionais não servem (largar na mão de garimpeiro também não). E o oceano é mais importante ainda e mesmo assim nao fazem tanto escândalo.

[@tydli]

I want to see a part two of this with more information about food that comes from the ocean, rivers and lakes.

[@CrimsonClowd]

Even worse

[@SoullessCast]

I think that would be very difficult to measure. Terrestrial plant life and usage can be measured, weighed, mapped, calculated down to pretty accurate figures. It's much more difficult to measure the exact diet of fish (stomach dissection help, but then you have to break down the "what smaller thing in the ocean was eating the next smaller thing" very far down) Fish also have free travel, unlike penned livestock. It's hard to measure the carbon storage of an area underwater and figure out how much of that a fish used, especially given the vast variety of fish we eat compared to our fairly standard terrestrial food animals. This applies mostly more to rivers and oceans, so lakes and ponds could be studied, but they make up such a small percentage of our aquatic diet compared to the oceans that it would likely be fairly useless. Fish farms could also be measured more accurately, but still I believe they are much less a factor than free ocean fishing and trawling. That said, I'm more a terrestrial than aquatic ecologist, so there could be many more studies in aquatic ecology that I'm not aware of.

[@hemaangbhatia7874]

it would be worse cuz that damages the seabed and plants

[@MewPurPur]

I don't think it's as bad. It's a kind of different ecosystem of problems. There's overfishing, plastic pollution, and mass use of antibiotics in fish farms. They promised they'll cover this someday.

[@jcephrie]

And the water use, pollution, and anti-biotic problem with factory farming.

[@DrPeppa]

I swear the thumbnail was a happy cow and not an evil one when this video came out lol. By the way, awesome video as always. I know ya'll bust your butts to research and edit these things. We're very grateful!

[@imvine]

It's still a happy cow on the german vid

[@smacznytost9968]

Yeah , at first it was "Meat love" and they changed it to "Meat hate"

[@LucasGHSilva]

Yep! Same observation here, the thumbnail changed, and the videos are awesome.

[@MGlBlaze]

It definitely got changed.

[@SleepAddictBoy]

i wondet why they changed it...

[@PopeKarul]

Kurzgesagt: Food is, arguably, the best thing about being alive. Zuckerberg: *adds to 'How to act alive' list*

[@lilyucai]

That’s a good one

[@bibobeuba]

More like adds to "How to act human" list.

[@yoavhalperin5852]

He's already smoking these meats

[@luker4060]

sweet baby raes

[@supreethmahadeva5262]

Pretty sure he is noting down to add restaurants and simulate eating in his metaverse now 😂😂

[@gabriellevy8869]

Wonderful topic and coverage on this video! Thank you for including your sources document as well, wonderful for future reading. Cheers!

[@skzanarchist]

"The more the animals suffer the better they are for the environment" so dark I can't see my hands

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

Definitely raises some dark questions about what we do

[@royhuang9715]

Don’t eat/waste so much meat solves both problems. Or just reduce human population by half. Most problems are solved.

[@__educerq07__18]

guys I found thanos

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

@@royhuang9715 waste of a huge issue

[@violet-trash]

Same for developed vs developing countries. It applies to humans too.

[@CM.25]

The fact that free content that is as gorgeous and jaw dropping as this exists makes me hardly doubt the amount of effort and passion that goes into these videos. Truly inspiring and incredible.

[@Innercynic]

Free? I believe kurzgesagt is a very profitable channel ;) "If you're not paying for the product, you are the product"

[@camorainbow2253]

@@Innercynic it is free,not to the people paying them but to us

[@Hr1s7i]

Okay, this comment was fun when it was written years ago for their first videos. We don't need to be reminded about this with every, single, video.

[@Innercynic]

@@camorainbow2253 If we didn't watch, they don't get paid, sooo... we do pay, just not with money.

[@ezequielmondada6427]

@@Innercynic the thing is nothing is realy free, but under that concept this is "free"

[@LoveLostForever98]

I was surprised that the environmental repercussions of eating fish wasn’t discussed also. I’m genuinely curious!

[@jamesbyrne3033]

I'm sure they'll do a video on that. If you don't want to wait, there's a documentary on Netflix called 'Seaspiracy' that discusses the topic in detail.

[@bjrnvindabildtrup9337]

Damn, that's so true.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@jamesbyrne3033 Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while acting like you're against it? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.

[@jamesbyrne3033]

@@janieswanson2549 Hi Janie, could you tell me what products you think I'm using that might have animal products in them. I'm pretty careful to avoid all animal products when making all of my purchasing decision but if you think I've missed something I'd be grateful if you'd let me know. Perhaps you could also let me know how you avoid the same products? Thanks.

[@connorgrace2480]

i do know fish is very complicated environmentally, as it is the most efficient to farm meat, but it causes huge habitat destruction on limited habitat, so i want to hear a video too!!!

[@MaxieWolfe]

In brazil, meat is fairly cheap compared to other things, but it’s still very expensive in a vacuum. We usually just keep bovine meat for special occasions or when we are sick. Most of our protein is milk, eggs and chicken.

[@slipstick985]

In the U.S. a lot of meat is kept in a vacuum to keep it fresh.

[@damedesuka77]

"Food is arguably the best thing of being alive". Truth. I once went to study abroad in a class with lots of international students, and it's funny how everyone agrees that the first thing they miss from their home country is the food. Not a location, not people, not music, but food. I started to feel the loss on my 2nd-3rd week out of my 1 year study. It's pretty weird.

[@cheetoschrist5685]

DUDE YES. I'm going back to my home country for the holidays and I've already planned out a hefty route to try all the special foods I'm missing that "just aren't the same" here in america lol.

[@TommiV226]

I'm guessing none of the participants were Finnish. There aren't many foods to miss here :D

[@babla69420]

How tf u miss music like u can hear it anywhere

[@herramirtsaaja9032]

@@TommiV226 no haista vittu

[@meepnope4389]

Man I miss fish and chips….☹️

[@lightningslayer100]

"Food is arguably the best thing about being alive." Love him or hate him, he is spittin facts to us.

[@jonasl8830]

Life over taste

[@RozayMalikOG]

probably because we would die if we didnt eat at all...

[@toucheurfou]

ye

[@egg2586]

@@jonasl8830 I've always wondered why some can be so empathetic towards a food source, something that almost defies nature, but that's what makes human beings so interesting. The ideas we make up can change our entire framework of thought, shake the foundations of our psyche to the point where we are pretty much indoctrinating ourselves. To me, our feelings do not make something true, and that is the case with morality, just because you FEEL, doesn't mean that it IS. There is a thin line there that should be tread carefully and I'd advise not getting ahead of yourself, history shows were that kind of hubris can go. Unless you're religious or something, then ethical relativism doesn't apply to you, congrats, you have your ideological dictator and your god is the end all be all.

[@YourMajesty143]

I mean it's a question of why we even consider animals to be food in the first place, when nutritionally they don't have anything unique or special that can't be derived from plant foods. Why is it that we only consider certain animals as food, but others as pets or zoo animals, etc? In America, we consider cow and pig to be food, but in India the cow is sacred and pork is forbidden in the Middle East. The Middle East sees horses, camels, and bunnies as food, Southeast Asia will eat snakes, while in some parts of Africa, insects are eaten happily. China considers dogs and cats to be food, and Eastern European countries prize sheep milk and goat milk over cow's milk. Think about why we don't have a universal ideal of what's food and what are protected animals. The reality is that you didn't come to eating animals intuitively, it's something we've been conditioned to believe for centuries. We don't salivate at raw meat or a bloody carcass the way real carnivores do. We need to cook our dead meat & season it in order for it to be chewable and palatable. We don't even have the proper teeth or claws to hunt animals, we manufactured tools to do so. Biologically, even our digestion is more aligned to a herbivore than an omnivore. Behaviorally, we've adapted to like meat, but deep down it was never a choice given to us. We were inculcated with these ideas in our unsuspecting youth just as our parents had once been, and their parents before, and their parents before... So to say that meat even tastes good is misleading, bc we go through ALOT of steps just to turn it into "food": blood-draining, de-furring, skinning, de-boning, removing tumors, etc. Then we need to hang it upside down on a hook in a fridge while it decomposes and collects bacterial slime aka "tenderizing". Then we scrape that slime off and start sectioning. We pump it with carbon monoxide to take it from deathly grey to rosy pink. Then the marinade/spices happens bc unseasoned meat tastes terrible. Then we cook it in order to avoid e.coli, listeria, or salmonella poisoning. Yum. But we're not done, bc meat is the #1 choking hazard for humans, so you still need a knife and fork. But sure, let's continue to convince ourselves that meat is a "human food".

[@cwmoo]

I worked in the beef industry for several years and heavily researched the carbon impact of beef. I largely agree with the conclusion of this video. The biggest problem with beef production is a matter of scale. Scaling up production is "efficient" in terms of dollars and profit, but comes at the cost of slash and burn land clearing, intensive monocrop animal feed agriculture, extreme water use and water pollution, and greenhouse gas emissions. Beef absolutely can be raised in an environmentally friendly and low emissions way, but the maximum amount that can be produced without serious negative externalities is less than 20% of current beef consumption. Worldwide, there is not much land that has the correct soil and climate to be good at raising beef, but in a way that does not negatively affect the biodiversity of the environment. Basically only semi-arid grasslands that have historically supported large populations of bison or other migratory grass eating animals.

[@cwmoo]

^ and it goes without saying that if production is reduced, the price of beef will skyrocket. The current price of beef that US consumers are used to makes no sense because it completely ignores greenhouse gas emissions and environmental destruction. And the price is artificially lowered by subsidies on water, fossil fuels, and farmland that go into producing feed for industrial beef operations.

[@thelonespeaker]

I kind of didn’t get the point about local-beef pollution. He compared boat shipping of avocados with truck-transportation of beef but don’t avocados need to be taken to our local grocery store also? Also avocados need to be taken to the boat somehow, and the comparison wasn’t nutrient-wise so hard to tell

[@cwmoo]

@@thelonespeaker I think that part of the video was overly confusing and unnecessary. Beef transport is a rounding error compared to the rest of the emissions from the beef industry. And it will be largely solved when countries electrify the rest of their transport infrastructure. I think the point was to show that "buy local" doesn't automatically win - low emissions food shipped 1000 miles is still better than high emissions food shipped 10 miles.

[@alexandrebeaudry8377]

Thanks for the comments. I was also wondering how hunting is impacting. I could imagine reforestation would be a sustainable source but then again this need a lot of land to feed a family. And I was wondering too if the Bison were emitting the same amount.

[@razenburn]

I feel this comment is a nice additional to the video

[@czcibor6436]

There is a missing thing about grasslands. Currently without livestock. We removed big herd herbivore mammals from grasslands, which were probably the key species for these biomes through hunting and domestication. There is evidence by Allan Savory that indices that trampling by large herds of herbivores was a key element in the growing process. So probably now we need to feed cows on grasslands in order to prevent desertification

[@sethofthewildfire]

Exactly! 💯 agree

[@gettingnew500]

from me also 10 points 👍

[@mmmmaurer]

Okay, then you should only eat cows fed on grassland

[@gettingnew500]

@@mmmmaurer is this a problem to you?

[@animesock1671]

@@mmmmaurer In some areas, they actually use bison because bison can go up steeper hills than cows.

[@mrniffels]

no matter how I hard I try, I just cannot imagine how the speaker could look like based off his voice

[@kevcraft9852]

Like a birb

[@jimday666]

Probably human too

[@Allister_1]

It sounds computer generated to me but I am not confident enough to assert as such.

[@PupperTiggle]

Like a orangutan

[@jonny4187]

@@Allister_1 It is not computer generated, it is a voice actor.

[@TheRealCeeJai]

I know this is far from their point, but man, what I would give to play an RTS or strategy game with the art style of Kurzgesagt. Been watching these videos for years now and the graphics always look clean, fresh, and new. One of the best art teams on the planet, hands down.

[@triopical6884]

Hello lets play digger online or among us

[@alex.quiniou]

Here you go : Planetary Annihilation: TITANS

[@doopdacoop4054]

A multiplayer strategy game about micro-managing the biggest parts of a country, while also caring for climate change and your people’s health, and managing diplomacy with other nations, all in the kurzegezagt style sounds awesome, sort of like the civ6 dlcs DLCs but more in-depth into the added mechanics and less about expansion and such, I’d play the shit out of this

[@parisix78]

A game called Polytopia looks kinda like it if you want

[@JCW7100]

100% right

[@JamesGurney]

I noticed you changed your thumbnail image from “Meat Love” to “Meat Hate.” What was reason for the change and what did your analytics tell you about the difference in response between the two approaches?

[@syfishing]

I can answer this for you: engagement. The most controversial take gets the most clicks, from either haters or fans. Twitter and Facebook uses this same strategy, so corporation-level KZbin channels do the same.

[@sawney-21]

The thumbnail was the reason of why I opened the video. At first, I saw the video on my feed with another image, the "Meat Love" one, but I wasn't interested enough in the topic to watch it right away. Then, the video is again on my feed, but with the current thumbnail... I was confused, and I didn't know either if I was going crazy or if they actually changed the thumbnail, so I had to watch the video LoL *Update: Upon watching the video, I think that the current thumbnail is more fitting than the "Meat Love" one. "Meat Hate" is not meant to be their take, but rather the popular belief (meat/cows are "evil") on which they establish their investigation. That's also why the video is called "Is Meat Really that Bad?", they are questioning it and providing facts as they are TL;DR: The video doesn't have any agenda. The change of thumbnail was on point

[@mathusuthanvenkatesan]

My educated guess... the first wave of viewers are mostly subscribers, so as to not lose subscribers, a non 'controversial' title. But for higher click through rate, a more debatable title which will make users click. Just my take

[@MewPurPur]

Probably just experimenting with what thumbnails attract attention more.

[@jxq12]

@@syfishing kurzgesagt is not a corporation, no questions asked

[@mitchellfriesen4795]

I know Some people don't know This but sometimes You have to do crop rotations between growing crops and Pasture land because after a Couple Years you have to since the land is lacking some nutrients and using in for hay allows it to grow back.

[@RipleySawzen]

Soybeans, which he specifically mentioned, are often a trash crop grown to restore nitrogen in the soil. There simply aren't enough people to eat all the soybeans. But cows...

[@lauariasmart]

@@RipleySawzen I'm doing research on this topic and find this very interesting, could you please send me a link to a study that supports this??

[@RipleySawzen]

@@lauariasmart Why certainly! KZbin deletes links, so you can search up *Nitrogen in the Environment: Nitrogen Replacement Value of Legumes.* Interestingly, it's not the soybeans themselves that contribute to soil nitrogen levels, but the bacteria that eat the dead soybean plants the next spring. This is different from what happens with corn. You can read more about that at *Why Do We Need a Soybean Nitrogen Credit* as well. You can search up *Soybeans for Hay or Silage* for some information on using soybeans as a crop for animals. Forage (grazing) soybeans are noted as not needing as much or any herbicide. They also need little to no pesticide. (Do you care if the cows eat bugs?) And due to the nitrogen fixing nature, obviously less fertilizer. Any crop grown for human consumption will use more herbicide, fertilizer (in this case probably more phosphorus), and pesticides. I looked for some articles about this, but couldn't find any. All the search results are full of the politicized misinformation about the topic. It's difficult to find anything about the actual farming techniques of human vs animal feed. I do hate it when politics completely drowns out science. Hopefully, it's just obviously apparent enough that human food requires better farming techniques than animal food.

[@Tinky1rs]

@@lauariasmart all legumes have a symbiotic relationship with nitrogen fixing bacteria. If you look that up, you'll find how legumes can serve as a cover crop. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the massive soybean plantations are used as a cover crop to restore the soil though.

[@gluestick4833]

“They don’t spend spare energy on things like walking.” Thats a sentence I never thought I’d hear.

[@OfficialExqui]

TBH There are a lot of people who do the same.

[@arrsea7947]

Mevin Jimmy is white

[@이정민-q8q4l]

아 한국어 자먁 있으면 좋겠다..

[@topiheimola69]

@@OfficialExqui cough cough americans

[@jbird4478]

Walking is optional for burgers and egg factories.

[@rayankarakani]

Rational, not patronizing, and providing good data that can be analyzed in a useful way. That's a good way to present and debate a topic. Really did a good job with this one.

[@daylinhesford3116]

If you eat to much meat you'll get mercury poisoning

[@tibfulv]

Misleading, though. Getting rid of the bacteria actually responsible for producing methane wasn't mentioned, though we've known this for twenty years. Just promotion of the unhealthy vegan lifestyle.

[@Chepperz]

@@tibfulv unhealthy according to whom? It's scientific consensus that it's an excellent diet when adequately planned.

[@fredrikchristmansson3700]

@@Chepperz roflmao no it isnt. Quite the opposite. The general scientific consensus is vegan diet is bad for you in the long run. We aren't made to be vegan. Nice propaganda attempt. Busted.

[@bigmouth9602]

@@fredrikchristmansson3700 there's like 1000 million recognized studies explaining veganism is as good as a non-vegan diet, maybe even better. Do you also believe the virus was created by politicians and helps them track us? lmao

[@Justin-gv3lp]

“No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times every day and never gets old.” *Yoda voice* : No, there is another.

[@flamingnacho]

Lol

[@solgato5186]

pooping is just followthrough on eating

[@Justthatguy1998]

@@solgato5186 I mean if that’s what your into to

[@michaelleue7594]

Breathing? Blinking? Peeing? Talking?

[@theasianboy315]

You mean, take a shower and sleeping?

[@adamb.c.1553]

Before over hunting in the 1800s and 1900s, 30 to 100 million bison roamed North America. Those numbers were reduced to less than several thousand at one point. So taken as true, it seems highly likely to me that blaming cows for emissions is possibly a trick being played in the public by the companies actually causing the most problems, and they have no intention of stopping. Subterfuge and obfuscation to achieve whatever ends.

[@notaspy9]

There are 1.5 billion cows in the world today.

[@DarrenSwanson]

"No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times a day and never gets old." Tell that to teenage me.

[@-dale2051]

Do you still do it with someone? If you got that someone.

[@ddandymann]

@@-dale2051 I think what they're talking about doesn't require any someone's other than themselves.

[@anonymousanonymous9587]

A male right?

[@-dale2051]

@@ddandymann I know that, but I want to know if maybe he has someone he can do it with now. And if yes, does he do it multiple times a day like before.

[@cerridianempire1653]

@@anonymousanonymous9587 can be anyone dude even girls

[@サンゴ礁Scleractinian]

For all those asking why they didn't cover artificially produced meat - it's because it doesn't exist on a commercial scale yet. Nobody has managed to scale artificial meat production (as opposed to meat substitutes) to a scale where it's capable of being part of the solution. If it turns out to be possible to produce artificial meat cheaply en-masse then that would be great, but you can't rely on a technology that nobody has yet proved works (and is economically viable) on a large scale, and nobody is capable of predicting whether technology that doesn't currently exist might exist in the future. It's the same reason why nobody is going to suggest humanity will depend on nuclear fusion in a video on future energy - it'd be great if it became feasible, but nobody knows whether it ever will.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@vashsunglasses Wtf are you talking about? Calories is literally just a measure of energy. ''processed garbage'' has energy, and so does artificial meat.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

I'm asking why the did all their calculations based on beef when it's not representative of all meat production.

[@movement2contact]

en masse (ɒn mæs) ADVERB If a group of people do something en masse, they do it all together and at the same time. The people marched en masse. ...the arrival en masse of the Latin American delegates. Synonyms: all together, together, as one, as a whole

[@jakehildebrand1824]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 theres such a thing as an empty calorie. Yes it's energy, but unlike a regular calorie, its energy that the body can't use.

[@jakehildebrand1824]

Artificial meat is not meat. *REAL* men eat *REAL* meat.

[@infernogear571]

"The reality is,well,its complicated. " Kurzgesagt explained life in a nutshell.

[@OfficiallyRonny]

I got quality documentaries on my channel🙂

[@cranebol5831]

@@OfficiallyRonny Ok Spammer

[@WhiteThumbs]

Speaking about complicated, lab grown meat was never mentioned

[@hankidyhank]

Start of the video: “it’s complicated” End of the video: beef is stupid bad for the environment on all counts

[@enriquesuarez7113]

but it wasn't though. The reality ended up being that they are right and meat is bad for enviroment

[@parkpeteraba]

Epic video! ❤ hey kurgastonk did you read the new jjk chapter?

[@NoobkinWolfy]

I'd personally be interested in hearing more about this new grown meat scientists have come up with. Not so much how it's done, but if it's actually better overall

[@basedamogus]

fart

[@Meggobro]

I did a life cycle analysis on this for college. The lab grown beef still has a worse environmental impact than chicken due to the amount of energy it takes. Now, it uses less of the grains that chickens use for food, and it would be a solid option if the energy was gained from sustainable sources. It's just that at the moment, the electrical infrastructure isn't there in most places.

[@therealsick1]

depends what you mean by better, if you mean price, last time I checked it was 18 000 dollars a pound

[@UrMom_says]

Gross. We need to stop relying on scientists playing God to survive

[@skalle1448]

@@UrMom_says Agreed. Let us revert to our base animal instincts and hunter-gatherer cultures

[@trazhie1098]

I just realized how badly I want a kurzgesagt world map...

[@MadMeeper]

They have one in their store! I bought one, looking for a frame for it cuz its SO very nice and I want it to look good on my wall hahaa

[@Neo2266.]

There is one

[@snowman_tofu8072]

"Food is aguably the best thing about being alive." Already had me and my whole attention just with that line.

[@minimcgregorminipekka7386]

ZAMM THAT SNOWMAN’s 12 😍

[@theironrubberduck]

@@minimcgregorminipekka7386 bruh

[@yourgoingtohellyoutoo1282]

@@theironrubberduck 💀

[@toniokettner4821]

that is totally not true for me and i suspect it isn't for many other people

[@DecadeAgoGaming]

@@minimcgregorminipekka7386 :|

[@claudiodavid1915]

How about fish? How eco-friendly is seafood compared to plants? A video about it would be nice

[@AliTanoli-cq3js]

Yeah I would really like that too

[@addy7-k6j]

Fish population is declining even more!! Also itll cause biomagnification.

[@SteversChed]

@@addy7-k6j Why are you against other people eating animal products from the same animals that you use animal products from?

[@masterzzz1266]

@@SteversChed bro stop repeating the same comment every time

[@SteversChed]

@@masterzzz1266 Nah...

[@APG19912009]

“Well…it’s complicated.” That should be Kurzgesagt’s motto lol 😆

[@Diode5]

It's a good starting point. In a world where on social media people boil down arguments into simplistic memes and slogans, people need to spend the time to understand many of the issues we discuss have lots of nuance and detail. Kurzgesagt does a great job of exposing those key talking points.

[@TheDalekGod]

I would buy it if it was on a shirt

[@SgtCarter69]

Well...to be honest, they're being dutiful and people that K.I.S.S. mostly show a P.robably I.ncorrect S.cientific S.crutinization of their proofs & arguments. If real life wasn't so complicated, "dumb" isn't a word that would have to be used as much and we would know better than to think emotionally about objective problems.

[@kepler4739]

Merch idea

[@michalodler3567]

They need to dumb down these complex topics to make them palatable for the generic YT audience, that's what popsci channels are about. At least they are honest and do a shitton of research/consulting on their end.

[@Alphabunsquad]

You need to do a video on artificial sugars. It’s so hard to find information and have any confidence that it’s not been tainted by sugar lobbies promoting their sugar free products

[@gettingnew500]

Germany is good therefore, try german sides. glucose-fructose-syrup kills billion peoples.

[@iKadaj]

i've read artificial sweeteners is even worse for you than natural sugar

[@gettingnew500]

@@iKadaj yes, i heard this about the erythritol, mannitol, sorbitol, xylitol. called sugar alcohols. But you often read advertisements about them, they are just good there..

[@Alphabunsquad]

@@iKadaj I had heard that but I’ve also seen countless doctors dismiss those studies saying the results were shown in mice and were never replicated in humans. However it’s hard to say if they are informed by studies tainted by sugar lobbies and they are in their pockets directly or don’t realize themselves that the places they are getting the information from is tainted

[@samuelallanviolin752]

@@Alphabunsquad I don't know about how good that argument is in isolation - while animal studies provide weak evidence it is enough to warrant counter-evidence to establish safety (both my parents are doctors and they actually have different opinions on some such topics, but both agree for example that Temple University's rapeseed oil study was concerning)

[@gumarks_]

The most incredible thing about your videos is how you ALWAYS manage to improve the videos' quality even when it looks like you can't go any further. The work and care you put to make these amazing videos is really worth acknowledging and appreciating. Keep it up, guys, what you do is incredible!!

[@ibrachaka8727]

The avocado also needs to be locally distributed.

[@jackpowell5436]

Riiiight???? They also used such extreme numbers for meat 70kg or 4kg No in between

[@abhii__4675]

@@jackpowell5436 You fellows do realize that non vegans ALSO eat avocados, almonds etc right? right?? majority of almond and avocados are still consumed by non vegans. Even if it were the case, those PLANTS having high carbon and water footprints are still exponentially BETTER than Beef/Seafood, and if you want, just stop consuming almonds and avocados, this is literally a strawman to deflect the argument

[@LogoJK]

​@@jackpowell5436lol kid

[@BoboTMC]

you guys should make a video on fish and the effects of the fishing industry on climate change

[@shukrantpatil]

fishing industry seems to be moderately climate friendly I think .

[@juvef6075]

Focused on Europe, because there's the strongest impact and all the horrible stuff really

[@sintanan469]

In the US Northwest. The fishing industry is broken. The waters are vastly overfished, and the current regulations focus on taking the exact maximum we can from the water which prevents populations from growing. Then you add in illegal fishing from foreign countries to fuel the fishing industry and all of a sudden that very careful balance act is now decreasing populations. Add in the focus on larger fish meaning smaller fish survive to breed, meaning future generations are on average smaller. Smaller and fewer predator fish mean marine mammals like otters and sea lions shift to eating more shellfish, which is what young predator fish rely on in their youth, resulting in mor problems. As a fisherman, I hate to admit it, but the fishing industry needs to shut out wild caught fish for probably 30-40 years and focus on farming shellfish, kelp, and algae to allow fish populations to stabilize and flourish and repair aquatic biomes. But, you can't shake the dislike of fish farming. Hell, my neighbor has a sign that says "Friends don't let friends eat farmed fish."

[@tarahasouna4208]

I totally agree

[@tarjeiaksnes5418]

Was litteraly just going to comment this. It is such an overlooked part of pollution and climate change.

[@icecolda-grader6466]

Kurzgesagt never disappoints with the quality of the animation and the importance of the topics they choose!

[@f-lor4]

true, they aren't that good about the quality of information though

[@harmonic5107]

@@f-lor4 how so?

[@infernogear571]

Yeah their point of information is strict to topic. Which makes it interesting to hear.

[@mr.jasiscreldo]

@@f-lor4 Could u elaborate?

[@f-lor4]

@@harmonic5107 for example, for the video to make sense one have to assume that global warming due to human activity is a real thing... and is not

[@alexb3648]

I'd like to see a video about farming practices in general. From hydroponics, to farm land with fertilizers, to no-till organic living soil. As well as the implications and viability of the various approaches. Where is humanity headed in that respect?

[@randomcallum]

death eventually at some point regardless of how green we go we need to expand out of the planet at some point or the human race will go extinct and nothing will ever know it or this planet ever existed

[@ThiefOfNavarre]

That would be an interesting video

[@thetexasbuttholeticklingba5770]

​@@randomcallum We don't deserve to expand until we learn to stop torturing and killing people and animals. Also, fixing this planet would be a lot easier than moving to another one. Taking everyone away on millions of rocket ships seems unlikely. We would also need to change the climate on the planet we plan to move to. It would be a lot easier to positively change the climate on our own planet, which is already almost perfect.

[@marianocolsin8968]

@@thetexasbuttholeticklingba5770 in reality, when we talk about "going to other planets" we talk about found a planet suitable for human life, colonize it and let the human species trive there while the rest of it dies in the earth

[@PinataOblongata]

@@thetexasbuttholeticklingba5770 Torturing yes, killing, no. A quick and painless death for an animal that wouldn't even exist, were it not for being farmed, and which would likely not get such a calm demise in the wild, is morally fine. Horrible conditions and panicked or painful slaughter methods are obviously amoral and need to end, though (which will likely necessitate everyone eating less meat and paying higher prices for it). I agree we need to focus on the home we evolved for, but it's not actually a zero-sum game - we could be learning the best way to expand and starting the process while also enacting what we need to do to save the Earth from ourselves.

[@Jamieden]

9:45 ah yes, my favorite dish. Local, homegrown, 100% organic T Cells

[@raushaanseychell6198]

Me: “I love how Kurzgesagt makes science understandable” Kurzgesagt: *beef stonks*

[@Mortum_Rex]

Kurzgesagt is missing the real problem, or is choosing to ignore it.That is, there is no climate issue. There is an overpopulation issue. No matter how you cut the mustard, you cannot have a sustainable planet with 7+ billion people on it. There is only one problem. There can only be one solution. What's terrible is you can't even eliminate 5+ billion people all at once. The carbon and sulfur release alone from dead human bodies makes the project about as deadly as nuclear war. It's a real dilemma. We need to stagger the body reduction to combat that effect, whilst staying ahead of climate disaster. I fear that equation is already unreachable, regardless of whether determined men with resources are willing to take on the great challenge.

[@MewPurPur]

@@Mortum_Rex If we had half the population, we'd still have to solve the same problems to fix climate. Just with twice as long deadline, but half the people working on the problem. Besides, what's your solution? Mass execution? Sure, would you like to go first? They discussed overpopulation in Africa, and they acknowledged overpopulation in a climate video, but preaching does nothing. The world isn't gonna change just like that, we need to work with what we have.

[@SenhorAlien]

@@MewPurPur but preaching does nothing... well, every problem so far is being solved by only "preaching".

[@lolk7726]

@@Mortum_Rex ayo ur spittin straight fax tho

[@iCore7Gaming]

@@Mortum_Rex there is still a climate change issue 🤦‍♂️

[@sidharthk9208]

I have bought your immune book and boy am I blown away by all your illustrations and simplification of such a complex system! I am seriously sad that it took me only a month to finish. Would like to see more such books!

[@eduardmarin1715]

I can't wait to buy it for Christmas. Glad it isn't too hard to follow :D

[@imranfarrooqh3516]

Bro if you live in india, could you send me the book?

[@64324037]

Sadly I cant buy in my country 😔

[@utkarshiitbhu4204]

@@imranfarrooqh3516 mazak hai kya

[@sidharthk9208]

@@eduardmarin1715 Please do tis pretty awesome

[@pdxmusl1510]

Thanks for touching on the transportation problem. I hear that argument a lot. The whole buy local gripe. I did research on that myself years ago. Depending upon how local stuff is distributed, there are efficient ways of doing it, but the common farmers market is so bad you might as well put your grapes or lettuce on a private airplane and send it to the other side of the planet. Its stupifyingly bad. Transportation of food across the globe is insanely efficient.

[@bethgodley2930]

Is that not true for all foods though? Getting it from the farm to the port or to the local shops after it has been transported by sea must still be pretty inefficient? I didnt really get this part in the video, they seemed to miss it out entirely for the avocados and just talk about shipping emissions?

[@Mr.Bimgus]

@@bethgodley2930 I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, it's incredibly efficient to send things by sea. But the fact of the matter is if you replaced those avocados with beef, it'd be the exact same amount. And the journey of plants doesn't end at the harbor. They're immediately unloaded from the ships and into trucks, which then take it inland to wherever. Sure, if you grow the produce on the shoreline, load it into a ship, and have someone eat it literally as soon as it gets off the ship, then it's more efficient. But at the end of the day, after traveling by boat, all produce has to move just as far, if not farther then it would if farmed locally.

[@etiennedud]

But havn't the food shipped across the globe the same problem for the last kilometers ? Or is it that because all food transport have the same probleme at the end, the efficiency of ship transport make this part not even worth considering ?

[@autokrator_]

Yeah, that’s the spirit! Local, independent farmers who don’t have access to 80,000 ton freighters should go sod themselves; how DARE they try to make a living by hauling their goods to local markets with the vehicles they have available?! We should get all our food from multi-national, multibillion dollar agri-corporations instead! The audacity of those yokels!

[@QuokkaWaka]

@@etiennedud The point is that destroying the global food market to save a tiny fraction of emmisions isn't worth it

[@elbakuino666]

9:46 took me 2years to realize there was a T Cell on one of the plates

[@danielochoa4905]

I like how they explained why people are hesitant to give up their meat eating. It was very even handed and empathetic.

[@cristiansantander4003]

It really is part of our culture. Most of us (if not everyone) grew eating meat just like any other food, it's hard to see what's wrong with it cause we're actually attached to it. An even debate comes from a mutual understanding of both stands and context, so yeah I totally appreciate them adding it

[@ZeoWorks]

Absolutely, they did a great job! It's a shame we can't see the dislike ratio. I'm curious how well empathy affects public viewing of the video.

[@tranpaul4550]

@@ZeoWorks 286k like and 8.4k dislike, so it is good response?

[@sarathyiisc]

@@ZeoWorks Use the extension

[@dariusalexandru9536]

@@cristiansantander4003 and is healthy to include meat in your diet

[@DryPsylocibin]

"You can decide for yourself what you want to do with this information." This is why I respect this channel. In the end the biggest difference can be made through education. People need to buy in to a choice to turn things around. And no matter how much you may disagree with dissenting voices or how much the research contradicts them, they are a necessity. Some ideas that were radical and shunned in the past have proved to be important. For as much ignorance, conspiracy theories and blatant political propaganda there is out there, having a world in which that can exist is more important than one where we weed it all out under the pretense of knowing the absolute truth. This channel informs and then invites you to research and form your own opinion, it doesn't tell you what you ought to believe. To truly believe something, you have to arrive at it yourself to some extent. Good work.

[@matijakovacic1730]

You can decide for yourself what you want to do with this cherrypicked information. Ok, thanks.

[@CookieCrisp97]

Climate policies will decide for you when meat is banned

[@Lolthegameyoulostit]

Pee

[@maximumbeans9310]

@@matijakovacic1730 It isn’t cherrypicked, it specifically answers the question posed in the video with named sources you can check for yourself. You sound angry that you now have to acknowledge the objective damage that human agriculture brings, as we all should.

[@thesaxiest4480]

@@matijakovacic1730 I guess somebody likes meat in their mouth LOL

[@castilater]

9:21 - Wait, the comparison here seems a bit skewed. The land would save 800 bil. tons of CO2 *over 100 years,* and we emit 50 bil. tons *per year.* So wouldn't that mean we'd emit 5 trillion tons of CO2 over the same period of 100 years (50 bil. x 100 = 5,000 bil or 5 tril.)? If so, then all this land is only sequestering... 16% of our total emissions over the same period of time? It's a significant amount, for sure, but the graphic makes it look more like this one major change would fix the problem by itself. All of ^this being said, I'm not saying this is a bad idea, by any stretch. I recognize that tackling the climate crisis means have to implement a wide array of changes/fixes, and there isn't going to be one single thing that magically solves all our problems. Incremental steps like a 1/6th reduction in emissions are still really good! My comment here is more strictly about the implication made by the one graphic, rather than aiming to be a takedown of the entire video.

[@sacredplanet8589]

I think the reason they chose to make that comparison is that our annual emissions are pretty variable and ideally we will emit less CO2 each year (although currently going the wrong direction).

[@QQQQQAQQQQQ]

Yes unless i misunderstood something that comparison was very misleading.

[@Foroi_]

Believe the 800 bil is excluded the emissions saved by not farming on the land and solely the capacity of vegetation to collect CO2 meaning it would have quite a big impact

[@adamkiraly7866]

Thank you for pointing this out!

[@aloosh1375]

But our CO2 emissions would decrease also in conjunction with a vegan diet. (I'm not vegan though so I guess I don't have any rights to say that).

[@webe3228]

Instructions unclear: I am now a persistence hunter in east Africa and creating 0 carbon footprint

[@trashgoblin1817]

I’ve always wondered why I’ve rarely heard aquaponics be brought in reference to this topic. It seems like it could really help reduce the amount of farm land needed to grow crops, reduce the usage of fertilizers, and also double for farming fish. Or maybe the power required to run these types of farms would create a large carbon foot print, or it might that the infrastructure required is to expensive to reasonably attempt. I would love to see you guys do a video on the topic! Edit: Thanks for the responses! It was really just a thought so I'm glad I got some clarification on the issues at hand. It sounds like the main take away is that while it could be a promising idea, the technology isn't there yet and that running it currently would be too costly in money, energy, and space, which is what I was afraid of. Thanks you guys for the explanation.

[@AlexDerange]

hydroponics takes more room to grow stuff tho.. it takes a lot of room to grow just 1 plant with hydroponics, you need watering system, with nutrients, as well as heating and land to put all that stuff.. it wouldn't be worth it for mass produce But for you at home, for a small garden, it is a good option

[@SPLICEKNIGHT]

Hydroponics are more ecologically bad than just general cropland due to infrastructure and energy intake

[@Valstrix]

@@AlexDerange They're talking about aquaponics, not hydroponics. Similar names, very different means. Aquaponics refers to farming IN bodies of water, such as the ocean, to grow aquatic crops or livestock - Seaweed, Fish, Mussels, and Crabs, to name a few.

[@PeteGA]

@@Valstrix Aquaponics is a system that relies on a pump to circulate water between fish and vegetables. Raising seafood in bodies of water is aquaculture.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

And as someone who lives in a conection from river to sea let me tell you. Fishing has lowered 30%, and water getsmore and more cotnaminated. Why? Increment in temperature. Just 1 centigrade more in water make fish go lower, or just go somewhere else. Also kill some plant and increment bacteria production We got ciano bacteria warning 10 years ago, then 4 years after. Now we have a warning EVERY YEAR. Bodies of water are getting less and less productive. Both fishing, tourism and usage for consumption!

[@jhunt5578]

Good job with an honest take on the issue. Even cop26 left out the huge issue with food

[@oasntet]

cop26 was a fig leaf, an embarrassing attempt to convince the public that the powers that be are definitely doing something about this whole climate problem.

[@molamola8305]

Cop 26 was a huge clownfest, just a blame game between developed and developing nations.Our doom is already decided, nothing can be done, climate change will just become a huge geopolitical tool to gain power and influence in modern world with nothing being done actually about it.Human greed will triumph over mother nature.

[@JasunGs]

I @@oasntet

[@Lax512]

Kurzgesagt is always great with showing reality and the true problems

[@reggiep75]

COP26 was a COP OUT with all the grime and filth of the fossil fuel industry hidden behind feel good namby-pamby rubbish!

[@Charles37400]

I find potatoes to be my favorite plant to eat. You can cook them in dozens of ways, they contain most of the nutrients vital to our diet, and can easily have flavor added to them with spices and salts. Try them mashed with cheese, onion/onion powder, and a little bit of salt. Youll be shocked at how quick a bland food can be tasty as hell.

[@Charles37400]

Or in the words of samwise gamgee: "PO-TAY-TOS Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew!"

[@MrBeefyweefs]

Interesting! I've never heard anyone say that the humble, tasty spud contains "most of the nutrients vital to our diet" before!

[@MultiJeje12345]

Guy, potatoes drain all the flavours from everything. Especially mash.

[@MrZxcvbnm22]

yeah, especially besides a good portion of meat.

[@MyPhuckDub]

@@MrZxcvbnm22 steak oh mai

[@gravedigr12]

im glad you brought up the damage being caused for soy so many people glance over that like it doesnt exist

[@Alinax99]

The soy problem is avoided by many because it is related to the consumption of meat and animal derivatives and people don't care

[@nilaydidolkar]

Waste management of cattle farming is also a big concern for the neighbouring areas. The waste is also released into the nearby water bodies. The animals are sometimes made to live in their own waste as well.

[@pixieskitty]

and untreated animal poop is what contaminates crops and makes the e.coli outbreaks :L

[@joeschipper6465]

@@chlorhex6785 the eu are making us all buy dribble bars now instead of splash plate on slurry spreaders which has next to no smell, like u wouldnt smell it if u werent working in the field

[@joeschipper6465]

its illegal to let the slurry go into water bodies in any first world country, idk about 3rd world countries but u cant rlly blame everyone for that anyway u should already know a place like brazil is nothing like ireland or something

[@iancauematosdorea9692]

@@joeschipper6465 in brasil, at least where my grandpa has his ranch cow poop does not get used for anythging they just leave it in the field, so idrk if the contamination of the waterbodies is a big problem there

[@LeoMkII]

@@iancauematosdorea9692 yeah the same here in Uruguay, there are 3 and a half cows per person so you can imagine that's a lot of shit

[@Zachurah]

A video or part of one about the fishing industry and its impact. I'm curious how it compares to beef. I would assume it's much more efficient with direct emissions, but devastates more habitat. Thank you for the great video!

[@Chepperz]

You're right about the assumptions, go watch "seaspiracy" if youre interested

[@Vearru]

Also I’m more curious about fish farms. I see all these adds building up fear over fish farms and I’m wondering if that’s valid or if it’s just there to encourage support of the horribly destructive fishing industry.

[@Raid3rFox]

I hate fish farms. In Maine we have Lobstermen who are responsible about catching lobsters and it's such a great industry, but unfortunately the Governor is forcing water wind turbines that ruin the seafloor, and effectively the ecosystem... And the energy produced doesn't outweigh manufacturing and maintaining costs. Way to go!

[@yammoto148]

@@Raid3rFox Well then do what they did in Singapore and make artificial fish farms in high rises. Its more expensive but a very low ecological damage.

[@Aconspiracyofravens1]

beef would devastate more habitat due to land use

[@icebird8575]

“The reality… well… it’s complicated” Even out of context, this is true

[@gettingnew500]

the only true words in this vid🤷🏼, i think, i love this words.

[@gettingnew500]

@@lordoa bill donated to kurzgesagt.

[@MewPurPur]

@@gettingnew500 They said they'll stop doing sponsors for climate vids just because of how conspiracy-like people like you are with Bill. (Ur in denial yup!)

[@gettingnew500]

your answer is to complicate for me, am german.. google can not translate your shorts.. sry

[@gettingnew500]

@@MewPurPur bill donated in 2015, 49 months long, total 570.000 but thats not a huge sum, to me, it is just a friendship gift.. In between, there is a video of Kurzgesagt that Bill has commissioned about the climate and such, on his page, you cannot link it here and the subscribers / followers haven't seen it. The same arguments as here at MeatHate, nearly. bill and kurzgesagt's CEO love each other. And 'u?

[@ALucas73]

The carbon footprint on Lamb from New Zealand sold in the UK including the travel was still less than UK Lamb, a few years ago. Farming emissions vary from country to country. We've been told New Zealand with 5million population grows food that feeds 40million people, but the carbon footprint stays with NZ, I don't think that's fair. NZ has more carbon efficient farming and it's getting more efficient by the year.

[@juanritanjaya6254]

Kurzgesagt : Terraforming Venus is easy Also Kurzgesagt : Meat …. Is Complicated

[@Fancyfoxiflames]

Funny how the world works

[@angryman9333]

.... It's bs

[@nicholastsl]

Its complicated due to moral implications not technological.

[@kevinkanhai2761]

@@nicholastsl What moral implications? Cows are animals and everything is food for something else. The idea you shouldn't eat animals on moral grounds is as ridiculous as the argument you shouldn't wear glasses because they interfere with the natural aging process or drink alcohol because it's wasteful. The animals we eat are the most successful species biologically ~ they make up the majority of the mammalian biomass.

[@mickeyspencer5745]

@@nicholastsl But they dont talk about any ethics, did they?

[@Silmerano]

Would of liked to have seen some kind of discussion or acknowledgement about how much of different types of food are wasted and sent to the dump and their effect on CO2 emission. I know grocery stores don't sell all their meat or produce for example and have been caught throwing away massive amounts of food and then there are restaurants to consider as well and household waste.

[@WapitalismandWreedom]

saying they get caught implies they're doing something wrong. the reason they do that is because the government will fuck them if they give out food that makes people sick.

[@jay-tbl]

​@@WapitalismandWreedom not just bad food, just vegetables that are bruised or look weird are thrown out. though that's also the consumer's fault for refusing to pick vegetables that are perfectly edible and healthy but just look weird

[@Silmerano]

@@WapitalismandWreedom They could give the food away before it expires but our society has this fucked up system where it is better to throw away food to preserve profit. Not just food though billions possibly even trillions in all goods are destroyed every year. There is SO much waste in our economy. I can't imagine what the environmental impact of that is.

[@DerekF-u7e]

@@WapitalismandWreedom The government can easily introduce policy that says "you can not sue for donating unsold food". France did it in 2016. The real problem is the suing culture in certain countries.

[@Boosted9946]

@@Silmerano It's called Capitalism.

[@taylurjack]

"No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times every day, and never gets old." ... I can think of another..

[@moscanaveia]

About not getting old, I have some news for you

[@Joyddep]

There is another

[@tostupidforname]

@@moscanaveia not everyone can be gifted

[@realmless4193]

Breathing? Drinking? They aren't as pleasurable I'll tell you. The other one? It won't be enjoyed multiple times a day every day, and it gets about as old as you are near the end of life. This videos statement is very accurate.

[@nandornagy5955]

Bonk

[@miguel5785]

9:00 Such a strange sentence. Of course land without food crops is not ecologically useless! And it's not just because WE can use it to capture carbon, but because letting land to wild nature or letting it rewild fosters biodiversity and, yes, ultimately also provides ecological services to us (which is all that matters apparently)

[@ShortHax]

This is all too complicated, I’ll just stop eating

[@MrBelles104]

I recommend putting all food you own into a blender to consume them by drinking. Also make sure to use a straw.

[@ATRForsakenBusinessman]

stop breathing to decrease carbon emissions, modern problems require modern solutions B)

[@SVURulez]

Well technically dying WOULD reduce your carbon footprint more than cutting back on meat.

[@apparit10n]

You could use the method Martha Stewart used on South Park!

[@TheReapersSon]

Doesn't help that most climate science is a jumbled mess of scaremongering and guilt-tripping, fueled by numerous inaccurate predictions, manipulated data and strawmen arguments, and some of the leaders of the climate movement are scam artists. People like Al Gore and John Kerry.

[@minecraftiangenetics]

Another great video, but I'm a bit confused about the part at 9:35 The top bar shows the proposed 800 billion tons of CO2 that could be removed by 3 billion hectares of reclaimed/spared land over the course of ONE HUNDRED years. The bottom bar, however, shows the amount of CO2 equivalent emissions emitted by humanity over the course of ONE year. I don't understand the choice to show these bars side-by-side without adjusting one of them to match the timeframe of the other. 800 billion tons of CO2 sequestered over 100 years averages out to 8 billion tons sequestered annually in that time period. While scaling either of the bars makes the positive impact of reclaimed land seem much less impressive, it's still a sizable positive impact.

[@griflot3445]

I love Kurzgesagt and this video, but I'm also confused by this. I wonder if there is just something I don't quite grasp? Also, I can't tell whether its implied that the reclaimed land would continue to reduce CO2 by 800 billion tons every 100 years or just for the first 100 years - if it's the latter, I definitely question the choice to compare billion tons per 1 year vs billion tons per 100 years.

[@Crygear]

ah thats quite a point!

[@fredericovicente3959]

Yearly human made emissions might change considerably over the next hundred years depending how quickly countries reach net zero (assuming they ever will), so you can't just extrapolate those 50 billion tons over 100 years to make a comparison under the same time frame. Those 800 billion tons of sequestered would then be much more impactful in that scenario where global emissions are dramatically reduced in the next 100 years.

[@rylandrc]

If they just showed it as 8 billion tons per year vs 50 billion tons per year, I think that would still show a significant impact. (About 17% of our emissions reclaimed!) I guess one reason is perhaps that it can take 100 years for that carbon storage to be fully realised, as it may not be a linear process for the land to revert to a natural state.

[@leonardovieira4271]

Well i guess they presented in that way because if you put 8 Billion tonnes per year and compare to the 50B tonnes emitted per year it will look very inefficient... But I don't understand what they might had feared, because that information would be about a single source of CO2 removal, it doesn't count the other sources as forests and mainly the sea. I guess they should had presented that info as contribution instead of an isolated case, it would seem much more easy to understand the concept...

[@abemore]

0:52 - 1. The role of our diet 3:45 - 2. Local food 7:14 - 3. Don't cows mainly use land that we can't use for agriculture or other things? 6:25 - the more animals suffer, they better they are for climate change

[@tyty_5869]

thanks ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@zh9758]

Easter egg: There's a T Immune Cell on a plate 9:45

[@vaszgul736]

Please do a part two on the future of farming, lab grown meat, how space colonies will eat, and potential alternatives to food in the future.

[@sruthyp3669]

Yes,much needed indeed!💚

[@rachelgrant1847]

What a good idea! I'd love that!

[@sebastianmcaleerelkjr6927]

A potential alternative is *don't eat meat*. At the same time, murder is being halted.

[@limesandlemons1367]

@@sebastianmcaleerelkjr6927 How is lab-grown meat murder? Hello???

[@samburgess7924]

Space meat blob. Just grow in all directions xD

[@maximealarie9193]

"The more the animals suffer the better they are for the environment". What a bitter truth to start the day with!

[@AyahuascaSage]

I urge people to read up on factory farming conditions. It's truly terrible what conditions some of these animals are subjected to, and as this video points out, it's not really feasible for everyone to eat meat from animals raised more ethically.

[@lauritswrang2423]

Luckily there is an option that is the best for animals and the environment

[@Chepperz]

@@lauritswrang2423 not eating them at all ;)

[@The360MlgNoscoper]

@@AyahuascaSage they made a video about it

[@carlosa.9533]

@JTH eating humans

[@Ash_6614]

"no other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times a day and never gets old" Not with that attitude lol

[@small_SHOT]

ΔΔΔ

[@foxboy6662]

Sam from Half as Interesting: "biphasic sleep"

[@anthonyisensee]

Here for this comment xD

[@SeanFerree]

😁😁😁😁

[@Ash_6614]

since when do i have 233 likes what happened

[@AlizabelaRosa]

this thumbnail is wild, a cow with hearts in its eyes? cows don't eat meat. a cow with terror in its eyes would fit.

[@natanoj16]

In Denmark the State has started paying Farmers to allow their lands back to forrests. This is great especially for Farmers who are looking for an out from being Farmers.

[@asagoldsmith3328]

Something something taxes something who's gonna pay for this something something liberals want to take all my money and guns

[@StarshadowMelody]

@@asagoldsmith3328 Please reforge your guns into swords. They are cooler. ... wait, guns probably don't use the same kind of metal(if they even use metal), so this wouldn't actually output a good sword. Maybe a pretty one if you make it right though, and art's it's own justification.

[@samueleu6362]

@@StarshadowMelody A lot of guns are polymers now. More plastic than metal.

[@asagoldsmith3328]

@@StarshadowMelody I've got a question for ye. What's heavier? A kilogram of gun, or a kilogram of steel?

[@mastermind5714]

If I wanted to think about tomorrow, I would really want to think about yesterday again. This spicy writing is supposed to represent an exclamation, a kind of scream from an inwardly oppressed soul. I am almost blackish on the inside when I think of the current circumstances of our society. But not from an egoistic perspective, no, rather from an altruistic, self-sacrificing perspective that foresees a bad future for this world. For a world in which nothing dominates anymore. In a world that is an anarchy of feelings. But even here it doesn't matter how I feel about the world. I know you disagree. That’s yours. But only according to the rules of this world. Because in the end, when the beginning and middle and end of the times are over, only what you did counts. You can do whatever you feel like doing. We live in a society of pleasure, in which every individual pursues his goal erratically: the satisfaction of his needs. Be it sexually, financially, or otherwise. It no longer matters what needs you meet. The only thing that matters here is the fact that every person who kills their time here is a lost person. I know you're only here because you're acting out of fear. Fear of rejection, fear of failure? I hope for you that you know that if you waste your time here, your fear will not decrease. Because every day is worse than the previous one!

[@TimeBucks]

I agree with your points

[@Electronem1]

Yes

[@Queef_Storm]

Holistic farming methods are not only carbon neutral, but also carbon negative. In Australia and New Zealand, the beef industries have set carbon neutral targets by 2050, and many farms are already there. I live in Australia and there are already carbon-neutral beef options on the shelves. This feels like a massive oversight for In a Nutshell. Ruminant animals, if farmed correctly, can actually REMOVE carbon from the atmosphere. There are an opportunity to STOP CLIMATE CHANGE, not worsen it.

[@schoolaccount8576]

Well it's hard to disagree since they are facts

[@Electronem1]

@@Queef_Storm can you link more information

[@Queef_Storm]

@@Electronem1 just give it a google homie you'll find plenty of stuff

[@antonioemilio9932]

I think food waste is an important factor when evaluating this as well since merely looking at demand in the lens of a demand to purchase doesn't establish the full picture. Supermarkets largely contribute to the demand in meat but a lot of it ends up getting thrown away. Some supermarkets don't even put a fair discount on meat as they would rather make money off of old meat than sell it for cheap. Demand =/= necessity

[@Alfarius20]

I don't know about you, but to me an economy where i only ever get to buy what I need (and someone else decides what my needs are) sounds absolutely nightmarish

[@InternetMameluq]

Precisely. We lose fully half our food to waste, and another half we throw out, so even if we did nothing if we just squeezed out more out of the current system we could multiply efficiency 4x over. That '30%' grassfed number falls well within that area of 25%.

[@zachcrawford5]

A lot of supermarkets even go as far as putting locks on their dumpsters so that the destitute (and the extremely frugal) can't eat any of the food that they throw out. It's under the guise of safety but they will still things like rat poison, wasp killer, Tylenol and bleach completely unrestricted, so I can't take that excuse too seriously.

[@luc7964]

@@Alfarius20 yeah that's a total spiritual shift that is necessary. "Bye bye American way of life".

[@jaimehernandezbarbadillo8765]

@@Alfarius20 do you really think you currently decide what you need ?? wake up tio , the market modell shifted 80 years ago , from creating solutions to your needs too creating needs. Basically you are told what you need through offer , marketing and media

[@multipoep5]

Question, the long transport in ships may be efficient, but corps aren't grown and consumed in a harbour. Doesn't trasport to and from the harbours and distribution centres and then more local transport to supermarkets add up to more CO2 than just locally produced foods?

[@janieswanson2549]

No corps are grown and consumed in a harbor. People don't eat corps. Corps aren't food. Define "trasport."

[@apoorhorseabusedbycenk]

@@janieswanson2549 Crops, it was a typo. ChungusMcYeetus is correct, locally bought would use less since for me getting something like US avocados would need a truck to travel 100 to 800km and another 300km for me to buy it from the store. Meanwhile beef for me would only have to travel 45-60km at the very most.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@apoorhorseabusedbycenk I know...

[@kotor1357]

Tip: Their sources document has a lot more details if you're interested. (Link's in the description)

[@LeanAndMean44]

I agree. Very interesting indeed.

[@someguy2135]

Good tip. Here is quote from another credible source- "Eating a vegan diet could be the “single biggest way” to reduce your environmental impact on earth, a new study suggests. Researchers at the University of Oxford found that cutting meat and dairy products from your diet could reduce an individual's carbon footprint from food by up to 73 per cent.Sep 24, 2020" Link on my channel under "About."

[@kotor1357]

@@someguy2135 Interesting way to link stuff, without worrying about KZbin deleting comments just because they have links. Will check it out

[@someguy2135]

@@kotor1357 Thanks. BTW links to KZbin videos are not deleted.

[@someguy2135]

@@kotor1357 I really hate this new policy by KZbin which deletes comments with links. It should be getting more attention. It is now so much harder to provide credible evidence to support claims in debates on important topics like climate change. I now use Reddit, but the mods there just ban you altogether from a subreddit if they don't like your message. It happened to me already.

[@aidanbobhog6303]

Love it! I could really benefit from a video explaining the relationship between gravity and time. You guys have the best way of explaining things in a way that makes things easy to learn. Edit: ayyy thanks for all the likes and comments!

[@maxbusa7137]

That would be awesome yeah

[@TKOfromJohn]

Yes I've been waiting for a good relativity video

[@sotirioskapartzianis235]

I think there's already one, idk

[@merc1231]

kurzgesagt astrophysics videos r the best, id love on about particle physics

[@Holdmybeer12345]

Watching interstellar?

[@Badpoison1]

Kurzgesagt: "no other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times everyday and never gets old" Teenage boys: ...

[@markuslemerise5812]

I was just thinking that

[@scrublord3376]

i am the milk man my milk is delicious

[@neosynthetica]

it does get old. Trust me

[@noobychoco454]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@ishworshrestha3559]

Kk

[@MikyD406]

"Could that title BE any longer?" ... Loved that

[@Psilocybism]

Lots of people don't know this but 20% of all palm oil and 89% palmseed oil is used for production animals. It binds their food into pellets. Even more rainforest can be saved.

[@Azurath100]

There's actually a bunch of monocrops that are harmful. Almond and soy being two of them, but even the biggest stinking herd of cows has nothing on the methane production from landfills and in the USA some stores/restaurants bleach their trash so people can't get food that way so even the packaged goods get a chemical bath before rotting away. The pfas from runoff are now in everything and everyone, etc etc... It's pretty fucked up.

[@DemonLord_D]

@@Azurath100 thank you, everyone is demonizing cows. When cows and even bigger bellied farting animals have been around way longer than we have. They have a cycle that has been going on for millions of years. I feel like blaming the cows for this shit is to distract people from the actual problems.

[@binnsy6879]

@@DemonLord_D The problem with cows is that there are just far too many of them. Sure, large herbivores have been around forever, but never like this. There are over 1 billion cattle currently, that's the problem. Sure, they're not the entire problem, not even most of the problem, but they're still a big part of the problem, and it's a part of the problem that we can actually do something about. We can't just stop decay at landfills, but we can eat less beef, or better yet, no beef at all.

[@SwellsSmells]

@Santiago Rodriguez Newton took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks

[@MrGoodkyd]

@Santiago Rodriguez Newton I think he is talking about other large animals that similarly fart methane. To elucidate further, animals are part of a carbon cycle. Just like the the water cycle, there is a finite amount of water on earth and even if it rains it, no water is produced. Just varying concentrations at certain areas and in different forms i.e. ice, moisture etc. Cows may increase the concentration in the atmosphere but they are part of a cycle and we can find a balance. If you add water from Jupiter's Europa to earth it will be harder to get balance. The same way as adding carbon that is locked up underground, is a more dire factor. I think that is what @Just Curious was saying. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@vampyrecat4458]

Using an extension you can actually see the dislikes and rn the numbers are 284k likes and 10k dislikes, considering how heated these topics tend to get it's a surprisingly good ratio, proving yet again how good Kurzgesagt are at conveying info in a neutral way that will help people actually understand the topics.

[@saiprakash163]

Can you lead us to the extension please? Maybe a name or link to that extension?

[@Bojonni]

No it's because majority of people eat meat and climate change is always going to happen ..

[@haverjamarosi680]

Well there are some EXTREAMLY missleading things they say and show ... (to be honest this is the worst video they made since the migration one!

[@vampyrecat4458]

​@@saiprakash163 it's called "return youtube dislike" and it's available on both firefox and chrome

[@vampyrecat4458]

@@haverjamarosi680 such as? I would like to know what misleading things they mentioned and what your sources are plz.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

"Well clearly science can give us an answer!" * everyone turns to look at science * Science: "...It's complicated."

[@TheFlyfly]

well at least science speaks truth haha

[@ashgreninja7521]

Science is legally not allowed to be simple

[@van7111]

Idk, the conclusion seemed pretty straightforward. The reduce your environmental impact, eat as much plant-based food as possible.

[@visceraeyes525]

ask jesus/god instead! what does the bible say about man made climate change!!!

[@scorpiss9]

@@van7111 You can increase your environmental impact reduction exponentially by eating other large environmentally impactful humans. So simple, so bentbackward.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

The basic answer to every Kurgezast video: "Well, it's complicated"

[@BraveGisgo]

Well not in this one, this time he distinctly says veggie diets are better for the enviroment 💁🏽‍♂️

[@adtc]

Isn't everything complicated?

[@adtc]

Isn't everything complicated?

[@Sirusf]

this one was very straightforward suprisingly... a plant based diet is the least destructive option.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

@@Sirusf I agree that everyone should strive to eat a plant-based diet and minimize their consumption of red meat/beef products, not so much for health reasons but for environmental reasons. And of course there is the animal justice issue of consuming products from CAFOs. Edit: just to clarify, I believe red meat to actually be very healthy, as long as it's raised in a natural, grass-fed manner, so that's the reason I say "not so much for health reasons". But ofc artificial hormones are used in corporate beef raising, plus they are fed grain in place of grass, a non-natural food source; and I doubt either are great for our bodies. So while it's not practical for everyone to switch over to 100% plants-only diet, I definitely support encouraging everyone to limit consuming beef and meat products from industrial farming sources, if at all possible.

[@nathanf-g1172]

9:32 this graph may not have been the best choice. A direct comparison between two things measured at different rates is difficult to understand at best, and deceptive at worst.

[@TheBookerDeWitt]

I was thinking the same thing. Not that it wouldnt be a decent sized impact, but the graphic they chose seemed a little oddly portioned/positioned.

[@whoknows7968]

Yeah, they said 800 billion per every 100 years will be removed, that means it will remove 16% of our current total emissions per century. Not that confusing of a statistic so I don't know why they didn't bother explaining that.

[@LetsPlayAceCraft]

@@whoknows7968 Tbh, it almost has to be intentionally misleading. These guys are too smart to make such a huge error.

[@9743033488]

It meant if we do the change right now, 800 Billion tonnes would be the CO2 which will be saved in 100 years. And the current figure is said per year. If you need a comparative result, Do the MATH!

[@micah3807]

yeah it is kinda deceptive but they are saying that much land could absorb 800 bil tons of CO2 while we would release 5,000 (maybe? we can't predict our emissions) bil in the same time frame of 100 years. So they can't really extrapolate our future emissions the way you can extrapolate the benefit of a massive quantity of forests

[@hawk8898]

"No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times a day" You underestimate me

[@gettingnew500]

yes hawk, flying is the best

[@spoopyscaryskelebones3846]

@@gettingnew500 hehe :>

[@joger3562]

🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

😏

[@Agemo5]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think of this

[@MsHedgehog]

One aspect of the food debate I do not see mentioned much is the issue of trust and cooperation between countries. If we as a species all shared and shared alike our resources most of every problem with vegetarian food would indeed be emotional, a matter of taste. But fact is, we do not share alike. Water scarcity all over our blue planet is a very very clear example of this. I am from sweden, and we are a relatively rich country these days, able to buy an ever increasing percentage of food from other countries. And sweden got rich mostly from trade of natural resources. With truly reliable global trade we could very well make the switch to a plant based diet. But cold facts is that global food trade is in no way guaranteed and that my country just cannot grow a sufficient volume of nutrient dense vegetation to feed our population. At best we could supplement protein from animal husbandry. Our growth season is just too short and too cold. Only on the very most southern part is farming of legumes a feasible option. Even wheat is an uncertain crop for the northen half of our country. GMO crops migth be able to solve this eventually, but rigth now (and 2 years ago) a vegetarian diet would be a truly dumb strategic choice. Food production is a complex issue and very location dependent, so I find this simplification factually true but also misguided. I recommend doing a video on the effects of fast fashion on the enviroment if you are looking for a personal choices that could make a difference. Overconsumption of clothing is far more optional than food and the industry has a truly absurd footprint.

[@dervishr2235]

A great underrated comment!

[@logs5886]

I’m interested to see a video discussing the impact on climate for the production and operation of electric vehicles (mining lithium, precious metals, batteries, energy cost, etc) compared to the operation of gas powered vehicles

[@hasu4399]

This. The batteries are often disregarded in discussions of this topic. It is also not discussed what their lifetime is and how disposing of them will effect the environment. Not to mention their production and that if they catch fire, it is really really hard to put them out. Also the growing need for electricity which would come from everyone switching to electric cars. also, compare that to hydrogen cars. As far as I know these were better for the environment and the cars would be very efficient, but being able to pump hydrogen is not yet safe? (I'm not quite up to date on this)

[@Lou-bj9tk]

Saaaame, i don't always understand everything when it comes to this topic, being able to visualize it could be really helpful !

[@ian4683]

@@hasu4399 you can pump hydrogen and some gas stations near where I live, so I guess it's safe. I'm not sure about the efficiency, since the hydrogen will most likely be burned in a combustion engine, which have a relatively low thermal efficiency (so much energy is lost as heat, instead of moving the car). I also would like to see how this compares to electric vehicles, which have the downsides you mentioned with battery technology. I haven't been able myself to get a good comparison between the two, since there are just too many variables at play and literature on the topic depicts a very wide range of values for these.

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

Isaac Arthur has done some videos covering the future of farming. I recommend checking him out.

[@nacha8403]

There is one pretty interesting on donut media channel!

[@pisti7252]

I hope you guys know, we appreciate the small changes in the intro every video! Had to clarify just to be sure :D

[@midnightspy4398]

Meat Love and Meat Hate: *exist* Kurzgesagt: I’m playing both sides, so that I always come out on top. Edit: wow it’s literally a warzone of politics in the comments

[@Mipetz38]

Really sad to see, seems like they are more interested in playing politics rather than presenting facts

[@laurel5432]

@@Mipetz38 Another take would be, some people will be more inclined to click on a video thumbnailed "meat hate", some will rather click on a love one. Ultimately though, they click on the same video, and assuming they watch it full, they learn something.

[@gabbonoo]

@@laurel5432 controversy is an adventure, love is recovery. too much controversy = cynicism. too much positivity = compassion fatigue/apathy. Be like Kurzgesagt and play both sides ^v^ *duck noises*

[@abdulkadir2959]

@@laurel5432 its called misleading people to get more views. and yeah of course >learn learn that hippies and pagans ignore the most of co2 emission sources to focus on the 26% because they just want to preach their neoage religion. I feel very educated. wanna lower co2? protest to stop the big corporations, against the unncessary military invasion and expansion dreams of the west and the chinese and russians. stop getting junk food and junk products and consuming unnecessary electricity and stop imposing your religious ideas indirectly on other people because it will only make the opposite effect no matter how hippish you are.

[@zulqarnain0795]

@@abdulkadir2959 ​ ayo chill, Kurzgesagt isn't a political or religious figure to introduce and preach their idealogy or religion. They are just a team that makes videos on YT as a full-time job. They did research and present the topic. You agree you like, you disagree you dislike. But, I do get your point, and I don't disagree with it.

[@reinaldogarcia70]

This was entertaining and informative I love the graphics and the animation

[@89technical]

Entertaining yes, informative less so - they've left out many critical pieces of information about meat and meat production that make it look a lot worse than it actually is. Also that ending value is very misleading.

[@chimp09]

@@89technical what are these critical pieces of information?

[@abhishektiwari2101]

@@chimp09 Just trust me bro

[@89technical]

@@chimp09 For starters: the amount of beef being eaten had dropped significantly and the land being used to cultivate beef is 2/3rds not suitable for growing other crops. The food we do feed to cows from soy production for example are mostly defatted, making them waste products. The citations of 77% of soy goes to animals needs clarification: 77/100 beans do not go to feeding animals, 77% of every bean is used to feed animals because 23% is oil and is used for that purpose. A very, VERY small amount is fed to animals as whole beans but on the whole, Soy is fed to animals because the waste of the kernel would otherwise end up in a landfill after being squeezed for their oil. Prior to the 1940s no one grew soy as cattle feed - it was primary used to regenerate fields. Cows were fed on corn because the kernels could be rearrested and then fed to pigs since cows are ruminants. On top of that, the characterization of meat = rainforest loss is disingenuous because governments don't get income from forests. As such the idea that eating less meat = saving forests has no basis in fact. It has been the policy of the Brazilian government since 1958 to cut back the rainforest. Capital exploitation is responsible for environmental degradation: Meat production is one symptom, not the cause. To prove this we can take 3 case studies - the island of Borneo and Madagascar, both of which have had their rainforests demolished for oil palm production and rice cultivation respectively. Their rainforests are just as dead as those turned over to cattle ranching. The arctic boreal forest disproves their theory entirely - with no agricultural pressure on it, the boreal forests are logged at the same rate as the tropical rainforests to meet demands for wood - you can't grow soy in the arctic. Kurzgesats is great, I love their theorizing and it's fun but they got this one Really, REALLY wrong: we've kept billions of cows for thousands of years with no discernable effect on the climate so to claim it's a major contributor has no basis in actuality.

[@89technical]

@@abhishektiwari2101 ^^^Look up ^^^

[@cubecraft2198]

I love it how they changed the thumbnail for a cow with hearts as eyes to a cow that looks like it just came out of a minute of halo 4 And also how the title on the thumbnail changed from meat love to meat hate Probably cause vertesism (idk how to spell the channel name) made a video on how changing the thumbnail can be good for views and the KZbin algorithm favour newer or changed videos over old ones which Is why most videos usually stop getting views after a week or so. Great video btw.

[@abhayh924]

Veritasium :)

[@polloko227]

At first I thought that those were different videos with a different point of view like they did once with nuclear energy

[@ipwnzuall2000times]

phew, im not crazy then

[@minepro1206]

The old thumbnail was a bit creepy, I mean the heart-eyes exposed the entire eyeholes of the cow.

[@jonat012]

Same

[@helikos1]

Just spitting facts, not telling you how to think. Gives you the information to make an informed decision for yourself.

[@kasroa]

People don't really have a good track record in that area. Even when given all the information needed to make a decision people will still make the wrong one, i.e. keep on eating animal products.

[@Grognarthebarb]

Problem is his information is misleading and dishonest

[@ianmoore322]

And I decide to continue eating beef. Mmmmmm

[@ultibman5000]

@@kasroa you spittin

[@eman2198]

@@Grognarthebarb ?

[@SlizMaster]

I like how these are only 12 minutes long, yet feel like an eternity. And that's a good thing

[@rahuljain3075]

Speed is fast

[@isakjonsson7069]

They don't feel like an eternity they are eternities. I spent like 30 min watching this video by pausing to make counter arguments and explaining what he just went over in my head, it's like I'm preparing for a speech. This goes for a lot of other videos aswell.

[@divy-rya]

7:20 got me laughing the bird said, "could this title be any longer?"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣!

[@nickybutch3]

I did an entire internship on this life cycle analysis content. It’s great to see it applied to food now

[@thomasmitchell4128]

No, you absolutely did not.

[@koenieboynl8284]

I was about to write about how I did some research and you were lying... But I just found some info that backs up your claim so yeh. It turns out Thomes is the only liar here

[@philsurtees]

10 out of 10 Doctors agree that food is the best cure for hunger.

[@thecooleraliguar]

Ya know that one fucking doctor is still gonna disagree. It can never be 10/10

[@Bigzthegreat]

@@thecooleraliguar ok in the starve chamber you go no food for you

[@thecooleraliguar]

Nooooooooooo the doctor was wrong don't put me in there.

[@UrMom_says]

Crack-cocaine is #2

[@TasX]

@@thecooleraliguar the 1 out of 10 doctor’s name is Thanos

[@josephsmith7666]

I appreciate the focus on the carbon footprint of the meat industry and the mention of land use and destruction, but I would also like to hear about topics like waste runoff and the creation of more resilient viruses and antibiotic resistant bacteria. Those are the other main factual environmental impacts without getting into more philosophical ones like the inhumane treatment of CAFO animals and the terrible working conditions in some sectors of the meat industry.

[@MewPurPur]

They have 3 videos on meat and they mention most of this. This one focuses on climate change.

[@josephsmith7666]

@@MewPurPur Oh i didn't know. The title is pretty general so I thought this was more blanketed and less specific.

[@J_Caban]

@kallemange89 that’s called an opinion

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

Those issues of anti-biotic resistance you raise ONLY occur where American farming practices are used. PROPER farmers don't pre-emptively dose their cattle with antibiotics, that ONLY happens under the American regime of "profit profit profit". Yes, waste runoff happens on poorly designed farms. It can easily be detected, and those farmers prosecuted for doing it, if they refuse to take scientific advice on their methods. The same is true of one of the other waste-runoff issues, actually the most damaging one, which as a non-farmer you are ignorant of. This is Nitrogen run-off, and it is ENTIRELY caused by lazy, greedy farming, easily addressed by legislation. PROPER farms, run without ignoring responsibilities, are nothing like as polluting as the farms run by greedy lazy right-wingers. And perfectly easily regulated and policed . . . however, because farmers vote en-block, they always have disproportionate political sway with vile evil right-wing political parties. The SIMPLE solution also addresses the hugely excessive human population which is the root of ALL global pollution problems. There are failsafe ways of detecting right-wing mentality, in adults and infants. Kill them all.

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

@kallemange89 So you think we should not farm animals at all, right?

[@thankyou8179]

"Food is the best thing in life, no other bodily pleasure is that good and never gets old" Me: "Well there is another...."