Incentivizing Theft

If you want to minimize the number of thieves in society, one way not to go about it is make the cost of thievery zero.
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#theft #prop47 #vaush

[@yaboiportch]

The correct question isn't, "Why do you value your possessions more than a burglar's life?" It's, "Why does the burglar value their life less than my possessions?"

[@jonathangriggs3365]

This! 💯

[@Fuzzycat16]

Gotta blame the victim first.

[@KopperNeoman]

The Brownshirt version: "If you get killed trying to defend your property, it's your own fault for valuing your property over your life."

[@morgantaylor517]

@@09f9 Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Minneapolis, NYC, you can see the results of this all over the place and it's not pretty.

[@LetholdusKaspyr]

I 100% value a burglar's life less than I do my own, my family's, or the fruits of my labor.

[@misakathememetic9268]

“The intelligent man knows that some criminals are victims of society, but the wise man knows that despite that, they are still dangerous criminals.” Stolen from Vee

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

“I told you that 'juvenile delinquent' is a contradiction in terms. 'Delinquent' means 'failing in duty.' But duty is an adult virtue-indeed a juvenile becomes an adult when, and only when, he acquires a knowledge of duty and embraces it as dearer than the self-love he was born with. There never was, there cannot be a 'juvenile delinquent.' But for every juvenile criminal there are always one or more adult delinquents-people of mature years who either do not know their duty, or who, knowing it, fail.”

[@DepresssedOne]

video sauce?

[@misakathememetic9268]

@@DepresssedOne I don’t know (maybe it was a livestream) but I heard him say something along the lines

[@N0die]

now add, the Hawks have the courts, then what?

[@LetholdusKaspyr]

Knew a guy in high school and just after who was the biggest douchebag I've ever personally met. Got physically hurled from his friend's house when it became clear he had been viciously sodomizing his girlfriend against her will. (We asked her to press charges but she refused.) Everyone had given him a pass on being a douche because we knew how horribly abused he'd been as a child, but when it became clear he was the abuser now, he was not welcome. Being a victim doesn't excuse your own crimes.

[@vagabondsoul1286]

Gandhi's non-violence was tailor-made for the British, who considered themselves civilized and cultured. It will not work on power-hungry brutes. It held up a mirror towards the British who were brutalizing the Indians and showed them a reflected image they couldn't reconcile with their perceived civilized/cultured image of themselves.

[@praisekek181]

Yes but also operation blue star

[@praisekek181]

It makes you shake your head from hypocrisy

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Not to mention he was killed by Hindu nationalists who used violence to overthrow other ethnic groups. Ash Sarkar's aunt gunned down a dozen men iñ a club once.

[@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin]

The problem with being the good guy is that you can be guilted or shit tested. Every good person should just throw up their hands and say "Fine! Look to yourself." But that also takes courage, which every good person should aspire to.

[@rachnapandey5604]

@@blacktigerpaw1 I am Indian and that's B.S. Gandhi was killed by Godse because he was held responsible for partitioning India. Ash Sarkar comes from the most Communist state in India,how can she be a Hindu nationalist? Hindu nationalist and communists are literal onopposite sides.

[@_dragonstorm_2635]

Burglar breaks into my house and kills my entire family Dev: Well that’s just a theory... A GAME THEORY, thanks for watching

[@BlindBison]

Lmao

[@willow1698]

rip

[@bigboypal]

"HOW COULD YOU VALUE YOUR PROPERTY OVER THE LIFE OF A MAN!?" "How could that thief value my property over his life?"

[@daviddechamplain5718]

Exactly. The burglar made the considered choice to initiate the robbery, not the homeowner.

[@malcanth3481]

How could someone value the life of a thief over my property? My property never harmed anyone. The same can't be said about the thief.

[@edwetodd7654]

The real question is why do we still believe that Communists are honest, peaceful people? When you point out history to these nutjobs, they argue that they are morally superior because they rewrote the history that hurts their feefees.

[@mrosskne]

Why shouldn't I value my property over his life? It's my property, I'll assign as much value to it as I damn well please.

[@DuneStone6816]

“Theft of property is not so horrible as killing someone.” I have heard people unironically liken things like misgendering someone or making someone pay for healthcare to murder, because they might possibly lead to someone’s death, even if it’s by suicide. It doesn’t take much of a bigger logical leap to conclude that theft can also lead to someone’s death.

[@fettbub92]

Shhhh, they dont care. Their arguments are based on convenience, not actual logic or principles.

[@ORLY911]

@@brentlolacher3000 If you stole a farmers cows in the old days, that farmer and his family would most likely perish. Taking away peoples lifelines should justify a high punishment.

[@davidlewis6728]

@@brentlolacher3000 post-hawk. lol, i'll have to remember that pun for later.

[@nicwolf1370]

Very good point, but we all know the only reason they make that argument is so they have a moral justification to assault people they don't like.

[@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin]

It doesn't take much of a logical leap to realize that they are low empathy retards.

[@chrisdryer]

if someone is willing to kill for your property, you should be able to use equal force to protect that property.

[@that1chickinFL]

Yep. If someone comes into my house in the middle of the night, he's clearly decided for himself that his life is worth less than my stuff.

[@lincolnworsham1085]

* superior force , FTFY

[@HenshinFanatic]

Now, now, perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything. - Professor Farnsworth

[@morgantaylor517]

Yes, castle doctrine and self defense laws recognize this precept.

[@hoominbeeing]

Also, keep in mind that most st@bbings don't result in death. Because of this, it should be immoral to defend yourself using lethal measures according to leftoids. Since the criminal that stabs you does NOT deserve death under leftoid ethics, you sh00ting them to stop the st@bbing is just as bad as sh00ting a random person to stop the st@bbing. If you take the retributive part of "self defense" away, you cannot defend yourself at all. This is why even if your life is not on the line, you should be able to morally use lethal force. You're not k1lling the criminal to "defend" yourself; you're k1lling them because they deserve it.

[@orenmontgomery8250]

Violence is speech. Silence is violence. Employment is slavery. Profit is theft. Theft is justice. - Some Nutjob

[@fnerXVI]

Ergo, silence is speech and profit is justice.

[@nowdefunctchannel6874]

@@fnerXVI but if employment, aka work, is slavery, and work creates profit which is justice, then surely slavery is justice too

[@orenmontgomery8250]

@@fnerXVI that would follow but they'll ignore any implications that don't immediately forward their goals. Also, it's only good when they do it.

[@jesshorn257]

@@nowdefunctchannel6874 if you run an extreme social welfare system it is a form of slavery... people that haven't contributed to the system live off the system at the cost of the workers that fund the system

[@allantidgwell5624]

The top two can be explained by the position "you're either with us or against us" The bottom 3 are fairly simple, "I'm lazy, gibs"

[@tiagoalmeida6857]

"But a life is more important than property, would take the life of a bur-" "YEAH, WHAT ABOUT MY FUCKING LIFE?"

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

"Okay, I'll tell you what, I'll make sure you're still alive when they carry you out. Better?"

[@nowdefunctchannel6874]

I cant wait for Vee to play the start of this video in _his_ next video

[@YizzTheEunuch]

Vee-ception

[@SpartanTrigger]

@@YizzTheEunuch it will glorious

[@TheGreenKnight500]

How many levels deep can we go?

[@Laneous14]

If he can break himself away from arguing for lowering the age of consent or shaming rape victims Im sure he will.

[@TheEliato]

Like the good ole days of response videos

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Cops: how did the intruder die? Midwesterner: he stole my bullets……. Into his body

[@rexnas8150]

Midwestern cops: Based

[@AncestorEmpire1]

@@rexnas8150 I made a mistake. I forgot the CSI Miami intro

[@rexnas8150]

@@AncestorEmpire1 literally just what I was thinking😂

[@AncestorEmpire1]

@@rexnas8150 *Spider-Man points at another Spider-Man meme*

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

"He fell on a knife... ...four times."

[@metroidman3893]

Don't ever let a Socialist claim moral authority over the sanctity of individual life. As Collectivists that constantly work "for the greater good" they should be prevented from ever making this claim, don't let them get away with it.

[@NerdishGeekish]

Agreed. A collectivist singing the praises of "the greater good" while at the same time crying about the sanctity of human life is the apex of hypocrisy.

[@anicjan4654]

Problem is that most people are not articulated, educated or...I guess cultured? no idea if that's the world. In the political world, even in the ethical sense of things. People generally as a rule can "sense" when something is wrong but they tend to lose the point in trying to actually manifest said point. It don't help that leftist are notoriously good at embedding their ideas in common ideals. EG: racism which almost everyone regards as breaking of normal civil behaviour and life via prejudice but leftist sneak their class conflict bullshit and then can unironically scream in a white dudes face for being white and then ask why he is racist and not more like them. I mean, exhibit A, this very video comments. One would think that there is a dignity to live that must be preserved and that allowing one self, their achievement, their gains and their loved ones and neighbours to be molested by any felon is a breaking of that. But most people reaction is "This bugler wants my stuff so they deserve it" but more snappy. which...it's not wrong. But in the words of the very video. It dosen't actually get to any sort of true point as to WHY that is.

[@ExPwner]

Agreed! The left never has the moral high ground.

[@Enclavefakesoldier]

Seeing how they would treat the lives of individuals that stand in the way of their vaunted goal, thats quite a claim for them to make. but what else can you expect from genocidal smoothbrains?

[@TDMicrodork]

@@NerdishGeekish I just had a stupid attack. This is liteally the dumbest thing i ever read

[@General-Grievance]

If someone breaks in, I'm going for the 12 gauge. And if they die, it's not justified because I value my belongings more than their life, it's justified because they value my belongings more than they value their own life.

[@KopperNeoman]

And by their logic, if a burglar shoots a homeowner, that was justified because the homeowner valued his property above his life (and because his guns now belong to their favourite black market dealer)

[@bfranciscop]

@@KopperNeoman Hey if a thief breaks into your property, just instantly grant him ownership over all of your property. Now you're justified in shooting him, according to progressive logic, because he's wealthy and you are now being oppressed by him.

[@LoneWolf-rc4go]

I wonder how long the people who make the argument that 'theft is fine' would put up with being targeted by criminals.

[@RollingBobbyJones]

They call the police the next minute they are in danger

[@kitchenjail3546]

not very well, I'd imagine, given the common prog position of "guns bad"

[@crackbandicoot2254]

They think that with enough welfare, theft will just go away.

[@userequaltoNull]

About 2 minutes.

[@blazikeaton7478]

"'i didnt think the cougars would eat MY face"

[@fluffyshirt6109]

This reminds me of Louis point that our property has been acquired by spending part of our lives, in either time or effort. Therefore stealing property is stealing, at least partially, some irreplaceable.

[@ravenwarjoy]

My moral argument for self defence is "it would be better for society to have someone who kills because they must running around, rather than someone who kills because they want"

[@gryphon9507]

Vaush's statement is basically him screaming: "I am a power hungry A moral liar! Don't believe anything I say because I don't give a damn about truth, ethics, or even my own word."

[@captc0ck5lap60]

If a burglar breaks into my home, it's not that _I_ value his life as being worth less than my property (it is). It's that _he_ values _his life_ as less than he values my property.

[@Laneous14]

That is the same as someone attacking my car with me or my loved ones in it or someone getting aggressive with a loved one in public.

[@Laneous14]

@First Name Once they violate my home they are armed. No matter what there will be a weapon lying nearby their body when the police arrive.

[@TheGayestPersononYouTube]

If you live in America as a burglar you should know deep down the risk of rapidly turning into Swiss cheese is quite high and should operate accordingly. Great video, by the way! :D

[@absolutezero6423]

If the thieves were smart they would target the houses of people who advocate for banning guns. Only a complete idiot would break into a house in a rural area like the one I live in. It would not end well for them.

[@KopperNeoman]

Without police, burglars shoot first. That's one reason they push defunding.

[@mysteryguitarhaziq]

i dont even need to be a burglar i just need to live in detroit

[@Snakedude4life]

Don’t steal or break my property. Period. I won’t do the same to you and yours. Break the covenant: The consequences are yours. 🎩 🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@ThatOneMotherfucker]

Trespassers *will* be violated.

[@greensmurf221]

Simple as.

[@itbesilly4544]

@@ThatOneMotherfucker the DESTROYER comes pre-lubed.

[@ThatOneMotherfucker]

@@itbesilly4544 Depends on the type of prelube...the sweat that comes from them realizing their mistake, or the red lube that comes naturally. All I have to say is *rip and tear*

[@papapesky]

Exactly. Living in a functional society is based on living by a set of rules that we all can agree to. Break those rules and face consequences.

[@MahDryBread]

I highly approve of the Civilization reference!

[@yamahenrique]

My man 🤝

[@lordlammi1562]

If someone breaks into my house with stealing intent, my Lego sets are more important than his life.

[@mikoajnowakowski7140]

Same

[@shapeshiftingpedro]

The person valued their life less than your lego sets.

[@slamshift6927]

"You value your stuff more than their lives?!" "No, they value my stuff more than their lives. I am simply fulfilling their wishes."

[@fatetestarossa2774]

NOICE : )))))))))))))

[@613-shadow9]

tough guy, kills burgulers before breakfast and doesn't afraid of anything

[@hiddendesire3076]

Any burglar that breaks into my home, dies. They try going “Oh you’re valuing your property over their lives.” Well that dumbass was valuing my property over their life, took the risk, and guess what, it didn’t pay out for them because on this property, the house always wins!

[@louiscypher4186]

I love hearing "you value property over lives" from the same people who want to kill an entire class of people and take their property.

[@613-shadow9]

killing a person is so easy, it's just like squashing a bug, you don't feel anything

[@S.D.323]

@@613-shadow9 you need help

[@SixFootTurkey_]

Literally a hardware store near me had a guy shoplift, and an assistant manager noticed and went to peacefully confront the thief. He walked up and asked if he could help the guy with anything. The thief pulled a hatchet out from inside of his hoodie, tossed it into the manager's chest, and CALMLY WALKED out of the building with the stolen goods. So, the company changed its policy from "never follow a thief outside the building" to "do not approach whatsoever".

[@greensmurf221]

Most major companies 'asset protection' programs are laughable at best, and terrifying at worst.

[@steellegion7054]

Did the assistant manager make it?

[@SixFootTurkey_]

@@steellegion7054 Yeah he was overweight and his fat saved him. Otherwise the hatchet would've gone straight into his lung.

[@commisaryarreck3974]

Meanwhile I'm the moron that will judt dropkick a shoplifter if they run Usually safe, don't go to the alleys. The response to a weapon is clutching a knife and being ready for potential jail time if it comes to Then again my country expect you to just get stabbed and not resist

[@MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI-1]

“No man who says, 'I'm as good as you,' believes it. He would not say it if he did.” C.S. Lewis

[@TheyCallMeVincenzo]

That’s not true, I’m better than much of the bullies in the workplace and I tell them that when they start shit.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@TheyCallMeVincenzo 'as good as' 'better'

[@AntonioCunningham]

I disagree with this. It's mostly said to people who mistakenly believe they're better than you so it's reasonable push back against this crap.

[@evelynalex8787]

@@AntonioCunningham so with the exception of such reply to someone saying they're better?.

[@AntonioCunningham]

@@evelynalex8787 The exception makes the statement invalid. Removing it from the question means I can't answer it honestly.

[@jeffpussylol2578]

SFO: "I just watched Vee's newest video." Vee: "I just watched SFO's newest video." What kind of sick cycle of guilt is this!?

[@fuckgoogle2554]

They are both aspects of the same person.

[@Y00bi]

I don't like the burglar analogy on one point. Burglars don't rob you at night because that's when people are usually in their house. If someone is breaking into your house at night they, 99 times out of 100, have worse intentions than taking your PS5.

[@tigerburn81]

Can't enter a store maskless without being harassed by staff, but you can walk out with an armful of merch and no one will do anything.

[@mophia339]

Ah, you've broken into my home, clearly you value my TV over your life.

[@thecompareablezombie]

HEH So true

[@fersuremaybek756]

it is a nice fucking tv

[@S.D.323]

the question is do YOU?

[@lesyndromedecassandre611]

Nobody reads "The Boy who cried wolf", or understands it. They probably think it's some of those internet quotes you can use to look smarter but has no deeper meaning.

[@andrewgreeb916]

It has a basic meaning, just don't cry wolf/ people won't believe you for a real problem if you keep going on about fake ones

[@Ultracity6060]

"You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one. And if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life! It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line."

[@theALTF4]

OOOOF loooove that underrated pixar movie! not as good as the gold ones, but that speech is sooo bone-chilling

[@lupusalbus3795]

Dev watching Vee, watching Dev ...we need to go deeper

[@saint4901]

We're watching dev watching Vee whose watching dev whose watching Vaush

[@lupusalbus3795]

@@saint4901 All we need now is for Vaush to reply to this video.

[@scrotiemcb5858]

1:23 It is not true that human life is inherently worth more than property. To work at creating something, even in a moneyless system, means to say that some amount of your time is worth less than the basket you want to weave or whatever - or in other words, some fraction of a human life (yours) is worth less than some physical thing. Every day whenever a person goes to work, they are selling their lives. Thus, the belief that life is on an entirely different level than property, taken to its logical conclusion, leads to the rejection of all work and the expectation of being able to play all day. Which is why internet socialists are such fans of the idea.

[@nobodyofimprotance7615]

When someone's goal is to win and nothing else, they're evil, that's basically what evil is if you want a clear and simple meaning for it. A group being in power is not something that helps the common people, and if all they care about is power then it's something that harms them.

[@hoominbeeing]

Someone should ask Vaush if he's willing to diddle children to "win". So vaush believes a socialist society will maximise wellbeing as a utilitarian; socialism will result in a net benefit in wellbeing. By that logic, if we can guarantee the implementation of a socialist society that will last FOREVER, then it would justify ANYTHING that is not infinite in wellbeing loss to obtain. It would be fine to diddle and torture a quadrillion children to obtain this utopia, since it causes a net positive in wellbeing and lasts for an infinite amount of time. Ah, the follies of utilitarianism.

[@danieldorn2927]

Even rats are smarter than that. Rats love playfighting, but its often not equal between the two participating rats. One rat is bigger than the other. So the big rat should always win right? This would disencourage the small rat from playing. The big rat wants to continue to play and knows this. So the big rat lets the small rat win 2 out of 5 times. So the goal is not essentially winning, but to increase playtime as long as possible. Vaush wanting to win by any means will lead to the people on the other side not wanting to deal with him, because he becomes untrustworthy. And then he actually lost because this wont lead to an implementation of his ideal policies.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Burgle someone's house, get your life burgled. It's the only just way to deal with it. No limits, no other factors. One should be able to do everything in one's power to repel the unwanted intruder, even terminate it.

[@brentoncavallaro2040]

when a man breaks into my house he has told me that he thinks my TV is worth more than his life, and while I don't care about it anymore I dare not call him a liar.

[@JB-gj8pu]

It doesn't matter how many criminals the police arrest if judges, politicians, and the district attorney refuse to punish them. In California it is very common for violent criminals to get arrested dozens of times without ever having charges pressed against them.

[@meatbagspaai6370]

[A burglar enters my home] "Oh man... I wonder if Sans really is Ness!"

[@Irishcrossing]

>imagine being a beta dove or an alpha hawk. This post was made by the sigma eagle gang.

[@WombatDave]

Sigma pelican

[@danieldorn2927]

Virgin dove vs. Chad hawk

[@carltonbauheimer]

If someone is willing to use violence to gain entry to my dwelling, I have no reasonable idea where they will stop using violence. I can't safely assume they will stop being violent once they see me or my family.

[@SahnigReingeloetet]

Why would one ever play by the rules in a game where cheating doesn‘t get penalized

[@nsanenbrane53]

Boy I sure do love living in California where property rights are respected and our government puts law abiding citizens over criminals. 🇺🇸

[@artemprotectron]

This expansion to GTA V looks very realistic 😰

[@compatriot852]

Didn't expect for Dev to bring up Matt pat and game theory on this vid

[@firstlast8190]

Me expecting Prisoner's Dilemma: Content Creator: hAwKs N doVeS!!!

[@t_s_albatross3270]

This sound a decent bit about why we have ages for driving, drinking, and smoking. If we don’t enforce the laws, it leads to a bad precedent that eventually leads to irreversible damage for some members of society, such as underage drinking or smoking having adverse effects on younger people. Precedents are set up for a reason. If we let crime go rampant, then it will continue to spiral and spiral.

[@fduranthesee]

that skews ageist, like you think the Youth can’t be responsible or anything

[@t_s_albatross3270]

@@fduranthesee meant smoking and drinking specifically due to the fact that it alters brain chemistry if you use it when you’re too young.

[@jesshorn257]

@@t_s_albatross3270 I think you picked a bad set of conditions... you are correct in the reasoning but many in society don't believe their should be age limits for smoking/drinking when you are an adult at 18 (US)

[@mycoolhandgiveit]

@@fduranthesee there is a lot the youth can not responsibly handle, the are literally underdeveloped humans often incapable of the same kind of long term thinking as adults

[@williamphillips3237]

I love these bite sized ethics lessons applied to current day. Thanks

[@ShortFatOtaku]

Glad you like them!

[@plush1993]

All of this is so obvious to any reasonable adult, but it feels like we have to describe basic humanity to 14 year olds that seem to be the nexus of Twitter and Vaush's audience.

[@geoffshotts]

Re: Gandhi: there's a short story by Harry Turtledove that involves Gandhi trying to handle a Nazi-occupied India. Hint: it does not go well. You can get the gist of the story here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Article

[@carltonbauheimer]

I remember reading that as a kid. Great story.

[@animegod1714]

Yeah. People don't realise what a naive idiot gandgi was and how extremely lucky he was as his enemy were the British

[@KopperNeoman]

To be fair, the same is true of George Washington, but for different reasons.

[@private2132]

@@animegod1714 pretty sure it wasn't naivety. he knew exactly what he was doing. he knew that tactic would work against the British and their values.

[@rachnapandey5604]

@@animegod1714 Honestly, the Brits weren't that tolerant towards Indian Nationalists like Bhagat Singh, Bose,etc .

[@Trahloc]

I'd prefer the Tit-for-Tat game theory vs Hawks and Doves. Someone breaks into your house you punish them. Someone doesn't, they live to see another day. It encourages more people to not break into random people's homes at 3 am if they know punishment is guaranteed by the resident.

[@scienceface8884]

Tit-for-tat is a hawk strategy, if I understand this bird-based game theory correctly. It's also one of the most successful *basic* strategies when you pit two AI against one another. The even more successful strategy being tit-for-tat with the ability to forgive over time if the other AI begins to behave.

[@Trahloc]

@@scienceface8884 It's a "hawk" strategy only when paired against a hawk. A lone dove in a tit-for-tat world would never know the difference between that and a pure dove world, they would happily coexist. Hawks only win against tit-for-tat in a world with a known limited run and even then they barely eek out. Tit-for-tat, be kind, until someone isn't, and then make sure they know it's their fault for not following NAP.

[@anilin6353]

The thief stuff is a load of bs. If they just wanted stuff they would steal when we aren't at home. The fact they are willing to break into an occupied home means they are willing to hurt the people inside.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Ironically, the people who cheer shoplifters on are the same who complain about food deserts; a lack of stores in high crime areas.

[@TheEliato]

Ghandi got lucky. The brits were pretty unlikely to engage in the kind of tactics the sovs and reich would use. That and they were in the process of dismantling their own empire

[@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917]

@@09f9 Cue Ghandi dropping nukes

[@piggysew797]

@@09f9 I'm pretty sure ghandi said that the Jews should not resist the nazis as it would lead to more violence and would not be pacifist so if india was occupied by the nazis I'm fairly sure that ghandi would still be a staunch pacifist.

[@rachnapandey5604]

Ghandi didn't get lucky. It was the revolutionaries who actually fought the British who got India freedom. Ghandi just took away the credit. He is overrated.

[@piggysew797]

@@rachnapandey5604 i agree ghandi contributions is overrated but he still contributed somewhat and his tactics would have soundly failed against basically anyone else with few exceptions.

[@rachnapandey5604]

@@piggysew797 Agreed.

[@LordBitememan]

A thief kills me by fractions. My property did not just materialize. I worked to obtain it. It is the conversion of my time on this Earth into a material form. When a thief takes my property he isn't just taking some object, he is taking the time from my life I spent to acquire it, he takes from me the time I need to spend working to replace what he has taken. The thief, too, is taking my life.

[@jirivrana3623]

just imagine if you have farm, where you grow your food and then suddenly someone come and try to steal your food. If you kill him you will have food. If you dont then you will die by hunger. Just this two option. What will you do?

[@Astropeleki]

Exactly my point. Especially since burglars usually take stuff that has a direct impact on the robbed person's livelihood. Not many of these bozos manage to steal Van Gogh's from trillionaires that use them as toilet paper.

[@henryjohnson-ville3834]

K!ll them! They are stealing and trespassing, thus double k!ll with double the bullets.

[@S.D.323]

maybe if you will actually die of hunger but by that logic someone who is dying of hunger also has the right to steal

[@busterdouglas593]

Destiny spanked Big Joel in a debate about violence and theft, if anyone hasn't watched it's pretty good.

[@kylehyde215CA]

Did you finish Big Joel's video on Shoe?

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

This really does just sound consequentialism with extra steps.

[@PeterDivine]

Horsepucky, this is just a re-framing of the "But we don't KNOW the mob has lethal intent!" argument Vaush destroyed the last of his credibility on months ago. "We don't KNOW the intruder's going to steal or break anything important or valuable! We don't KNOW the intruder's going to be violent or murderous during their intrusion!" Criminals don't get the benefit of the doubt when they're red-handed caught in the middle of crime. Break into my home, get two in the dome.

[@jesshorn257]

@@PeterDivine Vaush is such a smooth brain academic it is a chore to listen to him... that line of logic means"the only moral choice is the state will punish your attacker if they get caught you are not allowed self defense" problem with that it leads to corruption... criminal bribes government officials and splits the loot

[@jesshorn257]

@Scott Bloss yup history is full of examples... I was thinking of US mafia on the coast or the rum running days

[@biostemm]

A person's property and possessions are an extension of themselves; to violate any of them violates the nap and voids your own right to not be transgressed upon...

[@JohnnyDogs1978]

I can't stand Vaush's face, it makes me want to do things to it. He's so annoying.

[@PewdsPathProject]

He's the only person I've found on this Earth so far that even a picture of triggers reflexive punching.

[@SpartanTrigger]

I can’t believe he’s only 25.....

[@Gravitationalnation]

i know you mean his insufferable face invokes unbridled violence but the way you worded it made me think of lennyface.jpg

[@caleviwin]

@@SpartanTrigger he's YOUNGER than me? That's fucked I thought he was 30

[@Noperare]

@@SpartanTrigger wut? I thought he was in his late 30's. Socialism, not even once.

[@Jtd1138]

I honestly would fight if I had a gun or a bat but going at someone bare handed seems overly dangerous

[@abdimohamed1315]

Man I’ve been really enjoying your content lately ! Keep up the great work

[@BuckROCKGROIN]

"Weakness invites aggression" is the phrase you want, SFO. You sound like you've been listening to TFM, SFO. Is your political trichotomy video still up?

[@Astropeleki]

Daily reminder that some property, like food, is indeed invaluable to stay alive. Don't step on snek 🐍🇺🇲🇭🇰

[@fluppet2350]

Avoid violence but do not hide from it, hiding from violence simply perpetuates it. When violence comes to you, then you shall face it with all your might.

[@DI0NY5US]

Si vis pacem, para bellum. Because the world is full of unknowns it's better to behave like a dove until you need a sharp beak and talons.

[@yochlel2642]

Apparently profit is only theft if you're not profitting off of actual theft.

[@simoncleret]

The fastest police response times in Canada are about 5 minutes or 300 seconds. How many seconds does it take to walk leisurely from your front door to your bedroom? I'm guessing less than 300.

[@alarictheredboi276yearsago4]

And if you have a house where it takes more, there’s a decent chance you already have private security

[@CultOfJim]

I shoplifted a mall into becoming a WalMart, all in the name of "sticking it to the big guy for the little guy," oblivious to the fact I was harming the little guy way more than the big guy cared about 1k/day for a summer losses in the early 1990s. Teenagers know everything about everything, and I was no exception at that age. It was only made worse by the fact I came from a lower-middle class family and most of my friends were from upper-middle class families, crying "I'm poor" lacking the concept (something going jobless/homeless over a decade later taught me).

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

The virgin real life Gandhi vs the Chad Civ Gandhi "When is violence acceptable?" Gandhi: No. Civ Gandhi: Yes.

[@kylehyde215CA]

I played Civ Revolution and Gandhi wanted to invade in one play through and my game ended early in the next because he had nukes.

[@StayFrostyX279]

Cali person here, it’s stupidly common for my workplace to receive thefts and we are bound by our employers and state to do nothing as they sell the stolen goods in the flee markets...

[@henryjohnson-ville3834]

Yep, Commie-fornia is surely going down the toilet.

[@vde1846]

This is also why the NAP is a useful intellectual tool: because there is often a nuanced debate to be had about what exactly initiations of force is, but at the same time it makes it clear where to look for culpability and does away with a lot of the dumbest utilitarian quibbling ("is the utility of protecting your stuff really worth the risk of ending a life?" - "I'm not the one risking a life, the aggressor is, I'm defending myself.")

[@TehOmnissiah]

My favourite thing about someone breaking into my house is no one would know they’re there. I have little moral compunction about ending them and burying the body.

[@runeblade6596]

"You value your property over my life?" "No, YOU value my property more than your own life." (Not my original idea but I thought it was genius)

[@S.D.323]

its not a no then is it its a yes

[@danieldorn2927]

Stealing other peoples stuff that they paid for is essentially taking away the time they invested in getting the money to buy that stuff. So private property is an expansion to ones self.

[@Bersekr21]

I'm sure if someone stole from them they'd keep up the same attitude as when someone else is robbed

[@andrewgreeb916]

The real question is, if someone breaks into your house, how can you be sure they're only there to rob you? There's some very messed up stuff people can do

[@prg_astro]

One of the many reasons why Brazil is such a shithole is because of two factors combined: 1st - "The Brazilian Way" which is a nice way people refer to being absolute scum and cheating and stealing your way through life, that a majority of the country finds completely fine to even brag about. 2nd - Criminals here often go unpunished both by the law and by the population who has no real access to guns and when they do go to jail their sentences are usually not more than a couple years. So when you incentivise stealing and cheating you end up with Brazil and trust me, you don't want to end up with Brazil.

[@Astropeleki]

Isn't Borsonaro super pro-gun? How is self-defence still so legally murky?

[@prg_astro]

@@Astropeleki a pro gun president can't do shit when 90% of Congress is against it

[@mattbuchanan325]

Anyone who has broken into your house has already shown that they don’t respect boundaries.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

3:48 I love the Karl Marx meme of him saying "can you believe this app is free" Both the author of the app and Marx are both ignorant as to why Twitter makes money off of them.

[@nottodisushttoagen1309]

Ghandi didn't use violence because he knew it wouldn't work, it wasn't even moralistic, it was pragmatic.

[@that1chickinFL]

I mean, let's just get to the point where we can be honest and admit that some lives are, in fact, worth less than some property.

[@angelj3928]

A man's life may be more valuable than material goods, but by bringing a dangerous situation into my home you've endangered my family, and as far as I'm concerned, that's a crime punishable with death.

[@hiddendesire3076]

All you can do as a socialist is lose.

[@SerterSerter]

Vaush's physical shaking reaction to talking with his own audience is the kind of reaction you would have dealing with people pulling knives on you.

[@theimmortal4718]

The only political KZbinr I've heard talk about Saul Allinskys Rules For Radicals is Sargon. Yet, all of this is completely from that book, including the example of ghandi and passive resistance.

[@MazrimTaim]

I think Steve Turley brings Rules for Radicals up as well. I seem to recall the title being mentioned somewhere.

[@thenew4559]

Stefan Molyneux did a video breaking down Rules for Radicals, back when he was still on KZbin.

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

2 years later and all these cities are even worse. And all busniesses are leaving

[@AlmantasKli]

"noone worth defending" The politics when no gf

[@TheUrbanSpartacuz]

It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in war.

[@MaxTheCat-eh5ts]

Does anyone have the vaush clip that got played?

[@aposematicayu]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIHYpICFaayhq6s

[@MaxTheCat-eh5ts]

@@aposematicayu thanks

[@thorveim1174]

that "winning is more important than having principles" is how one becomes a tyrant, and gets the treatment tyrants deserve. because at this point you clearly state that you are willing to commit atrocities in the name of your ideology.

[@dexter2392]

Stuff is more valuable than the lives of some people. It depends on the person.

[@somethingsomething8511]

Better to be a hawk-dove where you fight hawks and split resources with doves. Cooperate with good people and fight the dirt bags. That way you increase the volume of doves and drive the hawks to extinction

[@plasticlance9418]

Whether or not someone has come into my home to hurt me or steal from me is irrelevant. A stranger has broken into my home, the line has already been crossed.

[@musicninja98]

There is also an argument that the stolen property has value that can be traded in times of need by the owner to secure their survival. By supporting those who would seek to steal such property is to condemn those that earned the property as a source of enjoyment (games, toys), or as a store of value (jewelry, etc.), is to condemn the one labored to potential death later.

[@Seeter1000]

you could argue that property is what makes you survive in the long run. "they stole our food, but we can be lucky that we still have our life" is the equvalent of saying "its just property"

[@antikythera7318]

“Violence is bad, sure but that doesn’t tell us when or not it’s appropriate to use it” couldn’t of said it any better myself

[@onegoldengraham]

Gee, with logic like that, it'd be a real shame if someone happened to steal all of Vaush's stuff...

[@JACKx0FxSPADES]

If someone is maliciously stealing or destroying my property it is not only morally okay to stop them through escalating means but morally righteous since otherwise you are allowing yourself to be enslaved to their whims since your property is a direct result of your time and labor

[@JACKx0FxSPADES]

Like in a hypothetical scenario where someone would detroy everything you own but you knew that they would not harm you or your family in anyway and the only way to stop them was to shoot them dead how is it not morally correct to do so?

[@zedhiro6131]

If someone is willing to steal my property, why wouldn’t he be willing to steal my life from me?