Incredibly Stupid Huff N. Puff Strategy

[@Tudsamfa]

"So it all comes down to this, Huffy: What will run out sooner - your health bar or my supply of pristine condition, succulent life shrooms."

[@ShadowEclipse777]

Paper Mario finally getting arrested for breaking the game too many times: "What is the charge? Eating a Life Shroom? A succulent Mushroom Kingdom Life Shroom?"

[@edward9487]

"So, what's your move, Mario." "I die." "Okay-" "I have a life shroom." "Okay... so then I-" "My turn." "NO-"

[@LeviathanRX]

You can't just keep taking your turn multiple times in a row, that's against the rules Screw the rules I have life shrooms

[@NKBlazer]

Imagine if the cut scene where he explodes, he uses a Lifeshroom to return and does the strat right back to Mario.

[@PWPictures67]

Huff Puff loses by doing absolutely nothing.

[@Flipnote_Peppe]

He thinks he Is luigi, he automatically loses

[@JezElectro13]

He is a fool. He doesn't understand, that this power can be possessed by only one entity, one individual, one mortal, one regular human, one hero, Luigi.

[@Flipnote_Peppe]

@@JezElectro13 the levelUP God, LUIGI

[@MaxusYT592]

Nobody could master such skill except our green fellow *_luigi_*

[@Crust_Crease]

I feel the quote "The only winning move is not to play" is applicable somewhere here.

[@celestialkitsune]

While I'm loathe to quote Undertale, this is exactly like fighting Sans, after a point he basically goes "I'm just gonna keep having my turn until you give up", or something along those lines.

[@Meals-sh9fs]

How about: If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid.

[@lMrStickerStarl]

The only winning move is for your opponent not to play

[@twiddle10000]

I feel like Huff N. Puff lost because he didn’t play…

[@SillierPutty]

@@celestialkitsune dark star edition lantern ghost be like

[@neptuniamarina4924]

So that's why Huff n Puff takes your life shrooms in Master Quest....

[@aidanhammans9337]

What’s this Master Quest you speak of?

[@MarioMastar]

@@aidanhammans9337A Paper Mario Rom hack that is designed with veteran players in mind who want to focus on the strategy and turn planning side of Paper Mario. It's excellently built as each boss has a new script and increased stats so you need to really master your knowledge of where rare badges are and what to equip, but it does reward exploration as well as you get some new badges that are enhanced versions of others (as all luck based badges and insta kill badges were removed, replaced with SP restoring badges). Also party members have moves rebalanced so they each do something unique. It's really fun. There is also Master Quest Jr for those who want it to play more like casual PM but still want the challenge, and the really awesome "luigi's quest" where you play with 16 BP and no EXP but every badge is 1 BP, so your badge equip skills are put to the test. There's also a Pit of 100 Trials and Boss refights and several new bosses added to the game, each with some ultra advanced strategy in mind akin to the Mario RPG remake's post game bosses. Highly recommend it.

[@alexanderharrison7421]

​@@aidanhammans9337A hack of PM64 that ramps up the difficulty and adds a bunch of other stuff like (I believe) a Boss Rush

[@camillafan1127]

​@@aidanhammans9337Paper Mario Master Quest. It's a mod that makes the original harder. Highly recommend it! You may want to just start with the Junior version.

[@nonymouswisp8176]

​@@aidanhammans9337probably an uber hard mod

[@sasaki999pro]

>Fully Drains Marios HP >Mario Fully recovers HP >Fully Drains Marios HP >Mario Fully recovers HP *_"One must imagine Huff n Puff happy"_*

[@rafaelpereiragomes1735]

I can. I've seen him happy before.

[@MadamLava094]

Immortality *is* rather convenient to winning a battle of attrition, yes

[@hobbified]

Huff there is supposed to have a *better* source of immortality, if his script wasn't broken.

[@quorryraphael9980]

​@@hobbified I think it's the life shrooms skipping the enemy turn. They wouldn't want you to die again in the same turn after being revived

[@exeggcutertimur6091]

Wait do life shrooms actually do that? Skip the enemy turn?

[@andrewhunt9808]

As soon as I saw you dealt exactly 10 hp of damage I saw where this was going when you had 5 life shrooms

[@JosephShemelewski]

Mario got hit so hard he forgot this is turn based game

[@fcolecumberri]

It's impresive the amount of years this game has and the amount of stuff that are still to be discovered.

[@MarioMastar]

Well this isn't particularly "new" as much as most people don't (recall) using lifeshroom often. Most people wouldn't ever die to the Tuff puffs as they'd have like 30 HP or something by then and would be mashing like mad. Even if a player did die to the tuff puffs, they wouldn't notice the lifeshroom resetting the turn as they'd just be glad they're still in the fight. This is kind of more "I bet you didn't notice but here's what happens when you deliberately do this" and most of us are like "Oh, yeah I don't ever bother cause I never really die.

[@MAYOFORCE]

I'm fine with this, his boss theme is one of favorite songs in the game

[@JakeJakers]

Given what a bastard this guy is to fight normally, I approve of the cheese.

[@MarioMastar]

You're supposed to use Lakilester's spiny surge to do just 2 damage to all enemies for 4 FP and minimize damage done to huff n puff. The funny thing is EVERY boss except Crystal King are designed to be beaten easier by using the partner you unlocked in that chapter. Just most people don't bother with Lakilester, but spiny surge is designed for this boss.

[@JakeJakers]

@@MarioMastar Oh I know. But it's a slow, time-consuming process.

[@rafaelpereiragomes1735]

Huff N. Puff is not THAT bad. Just use Bow's Fan Smack and a move that hits multiple enemies, like Snowmen, Shooting Stars or Star Storms.

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

i wonder if there were any kids back in the day who had a really hard time with huff n. puff, then found out about this exploit by chance, stocked up on life shrooms and coasted on this strategy to victory

[@MarioMastar]

Not likely, even back then mashing through the tuff puffs would have them do like 4 to 6 damage at most. and Huff n Puff doing a max of 7 damage (except his charged move and his smash attack which do 10 and 15 respectively), most player would spam Refresh or Smooch. Odds are too low you'd die to the tuff puffs , while having a life shroom, and then even notice the turn was skipped. Plus people spamming air raid or Star storm would make the recovery like 3 hp.

[@Driggsdamonstah]

Who knew turn skips were a part of Huff ‘n’ Puff’s script…

[@AAABattery24]

I did, lol

[@Maker0824]

it’s not part of Huff n’ Puff’s script. it’s part of the life shroom script. Any time a life shroom is used it skips the rest of the enemy’s turn

[@MarioMastar]

@@Maker0824Yeah, because the point of the lifeshroom is to revive the player after dying. If the enemy still was able to attack after that, you'd likely die again against later bosses, defeating the purpose. so to avoid that, it just resets the turn to Mario's turn. This happens for every fight with multiple enemies if an enemy kills Mario while other enemies still have a chance to attack.

[@imaginaryboy2000]

And he'll never even know how close he was to defeating you

[@WackoMcGoose]

* *_But it refused._*

[@Kappy0]

Koop this is your strategy contest submission where's the shout-out??? LOL

[@guardian_angel8]

Looks invalid to me tbh smh

[@melaniepion]

Someone show this to chuggaaconroy

[@boneafide]

and we dont even crash the game. how far the community has come.

[@diegoaguilar1954]

First Goombario gets an extra turn, now Huff N' Puff loses his turn, Life shroom is S tier lmao

[@MarioMastar]

Yeah it literally resets the turn in Mario dies so enemies can't kill him after he revives, even giving your partner a turn back too (though I don't think there's any way for Mario to damage himself. Even in TTYD Trial stew reduces his HP to 1 and poison shroom inflicts poison to himself, but he only takes the damage after the enemies have thier turn), but there is stage hazards in TTDY, so not sure what happens then.

[@RichardDong68]

The cost of life shrooms ain't worth it though.

[@CabeliotCometier]

can't you make life shrooms with volt shrooms and strange leaves though? they're not that tough to stockpile in vanilla PM

[@Mysticshosh42]

If you use badges and have ultra rank lady bow and go into the fight in peril I'm sure you can do this in one or at most two life shrooms

[@woobgamer5210]

especially since you could just peril strats and one shot Huff n Puff with power bounce

[@recentteen14]

@@Mysticshosh42 Except the whole point was to demonstrate this strategy works in level 0 conditions where you have no BP...

[@Mysticshosh42]

@recentteen14 yes I understand that but I was referring to the comment saying life shrooms are to expensive and that if you just put on badges even at level 1 you can probably do it with one or even two life shrooms

[@alex_-yz9to]

I can't wait for a paper mario rom hack to use this for a secret puzzle boss

[@VonFirflirch]

If anything, this just makes me even more disappointed at my kid self for having trouble with this boss. I remember spending like, an afternoon on this guy, until I finally remembered that Chill Out Star Power existed.

[@skeleton819]

you’re not lacking in ability just because you don’t cheese things

[@VonFirflirch]

@@skeleton819 Oh, I wasn't being too serious here. But at the same time, with how people keep finding ways to break this or that boss... ! Plus, I certainly was lacking as a kid, only upgrading HP x)

[@MarioMastar]

Chill out was pretty OP, it really made Huff n Puff literally "huff and puff" cause he couldn't do any damage to you. XD

[@i-am-linja]

Fatguy703 used this strategy in _Master Quest_ in the H&P rematch, when an inopportune crash condition made it literally unwinnable by any other strategy. It was a glorious farce. (Sry no linq. From memory the episode is titled something non-indicative and I don't feel like trawling 100+ episodes for it.)

[@kevinb1229]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoHblXWhlK9mmck Don't worry, I've got you covered. Coincidentally, the title of the episode is in fact 'Crashing Boom Bang'

[@SPZ-gv2on]

I used this mechanic as part of my strat for him in a difficulty mod actually. Very funny abuse of the AI.

[@Known_as_The_Ghost]

Honestly, speechless. Didn't know this was a thing.

[@StoMoComedoPro]

Gourmet Guy eats Huff N. Puff.

[@MarioMastar]

I was expecting some glitch shenanigans where he somehow collected Huff n Puff as an item and did the chapter 2 glitch to revert the chapter to an earlier state, then give huff n puff to gourmet guy and get the 6th star spirit that way. Like the "Paper Mario in reverse" Run.

[@farenhitegr6493]

I knew this barf bag was all hot air and nothing else. Can't believe I had trouble with him when I was a wee lad.

[@woobgamer5210]

so we went from using peril strats with power bounce to one shot HnP, to, never upgrading HP, dying, and beating HnP

[@MarioMastar]

All for the low low price of 250 coins at boo's shop or making tons of Volt shrooms and strange/Koopa leaves. (which for SOME reason makes life shrooms too).

[@LordKrhiyos]

Why the hell did i not think of this 22 years ago? It wouldve saved me so much sanity back in first grade

[@user-jw2it4qf2r]

Well as a first grader you probably didn't die to a Tuff Puff and then get revived by a Life Shroom and subsequently notice Huffers didn't get a turn

[@MarioMastar]

@@user-jw2it4qf2rNor would even a first grader die to the Tuff puffs as they likely upgraded HP and spammed SMooch, Refresh and Chill out to make them do no damage. It's more just a long fight.

[@purs3it]

Haha, I remember when this exploit was found out. This is exactly why Huff N Puff in Master Quest removed all of your lifeshrooms.

[@gamrwolf9655]

good to see a Paper Mario 64 video on this channel again.

[@baalfgames5318]

The only thing necessary for Mario to triumph is for Huff N Puff to do nothing.

[@sagacious03]

Fun run & analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@qwerty3793]

That's hilarious! Such a simple exploit, but hey - if it works, it works. When I was a kid, I really struggled with this boss and kept losing due to his health regen mechanic. Eventually I decided that I needed to do *all* the damage in one go, so I put on a charge badge, power bounce, and probably zap tap then just had to survive and charge until I could hit that one super-charged jump. That was the most nerve-wracking part - messing up the jump meant wasting a lot of setup time so I would reset the fight. Silly, but it worked, and it was pretty satisfying. If I'd known this was an option, it might have saved me some time. 😅 Great video!

[@waterninten]

okay but that reveal was fucking HILARIOUS! omg i had to pause, idk why but it just fading in was too much for me. god this is a stupid but funny strategy!

[@HenryGreenEngine3]

Incredible. Simply incredible.

[@dankdankeryetdanker2726]

When I take 10 Super Shrooms and 10 Koopa Leaves to Tayce T. ANYTHING is possible.

[@Mario583a]

Sakurai: No, this isn't how you are supposed to play the game!

[@Firestar4041]

With this one neat trick, Mario became immortal, find out how (Doctors hate him) *insert giant red arrow and such here

[@theopoldthegamer4284]

I like your sense of humor

[@Zetalight16]

Seer found this a few months ago in his challenge run, I think

[@JezElectro13]

This kinda reminds me of Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling. There, too, reviving gives you another turn (and from what I heard, it makes a broken strategy possible).

[@Thaddeus_Crews]

This was how I ended up cheesing Huff N Puff in Master Quest. Felt damn good

[@guillaumechau6082]

Oh hey, it's the Nickelodeon fighting game guy. (Or it WAS anyway.) Didn't expect to see a comment from you on a random Paper Mario video but sure.

[@cheEZy_boi_nips]

At some point, we'll dig so deep into the huff n. puff bossfight bullshittery that you won't even be able to start the fight without something dumb happening.

[@yukioyamoto3494]

This battle gives off modern Yu-Gi-Oh vibes. You destroyed Mario on my side of the field. By removing a life shroom token i can special summon Mario again and the effect triggers that skips your turn. MY TURN! Duurrroooo! Monsta CARDO!

[@DyxoXinoro]

Sure was nice of Peach to make us some spaghetti code, eh Miss Bow?

[@renakunisaki]

Getting revived crashes Huff'n'Puff's brain.

[@rebelliouslilpissant]

weather forecast today: clouds clearing

[@hahaphd6856]

And this is why tuff puffs steal life shrooms in master quest 😈

[@linhero797]

Just last night I was playing Master Quest and had to fight Huff N' Puff and I was struggling really hard with the guy. I did win, and not with this strategy, but with Truth Stomp, a lot of Badges to let me recover Star Power, and an unbelievable amount of patience. I did like, 2 or 3 net damage over 2 or 3 turns. I actually looked at my play time prior to the fight and after, to find I spent a literal hour grinding out Huff N' Puff. This boss is an experience like no other.

[@Zihark_]

Really wish i had known about this as a kid lol. Basically turns Huff N. Puff into a pay to win boss 🤣

[@kelvariw]

Wow! I'd love to see demonstration with good equipment and the best partner for that point in the game. It would be funny to see how strong the Life Shroom strategy is compared to the intended gameplay

[@LukeA471]

This is so stupid that this works. I love it

[@prizm9515]

Life shrooms are so busted. They are super optimal for Bowser too because if your health always stays low enough he will never heal.

[@marioipod]

How on earth did you discover this?!?! This is amazing!!

[@Thaddeus_Crews]

3:47 *(5 HP, 5 FP, 3 BP) So this is actually a Level -3 strat

[@hi123452008]

The 3 BP is what's removed going from level 1 to level 0.

[@Thaddeus_Crews]

@hi123452008 Oh shoot, PM *does* start at level 1 doesn't it? Not sure why it wasn't specified separately like FP, but that's still my bad

[@GHNeko]

"NVM IT GOT SKIPPED AGAIN LUL" i would have spit out my drink if I was drinking something during that line LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@NintendoChuckNorris]

That’s actually good to know, especially if someone is struggling with Huff n Puff healing

[@ZayZenBlaze]

As a wise Vernias once said: *SKIP YOUR ASS.*

[@GDCytosine]

If I remember correctly, Seer did this in his no badges+partners run and it was just absurd

[@XperimentorEES]

And just like that, mario became a narcissistic sadomasochist XD

[@Dominexis]

This is absolutely stupid and I love it.

[@indumatipngtuber2790]

That is wild.

[@sleepyg9129]

If I was a developer working on this game or even a Q/A tester, I would have never even thought about this edge case scenario. Right? because it happens at a point in the game where you can assume that the player will have gained levels and equipped badges, and generally have a sense of how to play the game well.

[@pasqualembisceglia1989]

Mario should level up in 5 chapters first before defeating Huff N. Puff in Flower Fields at Chapter 6.

[@tweedledeevine]

So basically Mario dies every turn and bc he ded bro on the other side forgets to take his turn even once the life shroom hits Paper Mario 1 is wonderful i tell you

[@MaxusYT592]

Least broken paper Mario item:

[@superkonijn988]

Suffering from success

[@SwitheKun]

so all we have to do is die 5 times? finally, a strategy I can do

[@Mysticshosh42]

This is the coolest thing ive ever learned about this game since all the cool stuff stryder7x showed off

[@Obstagoon862]

This can be pulled off in one less turn if Bow is upgraded to Ultra Rank.

[@Truffle_D_Toad]

man i've seen this game be home to some stupid shit sometimes but this takes the cake

[@NerAEus96]

GALAXY BRAIN

[@MarcusFigueras]

If I had to guess, there's a behavior in the game to automatically stop the enemy's turn if mario's health reaches 0, so to not excessively rub in a loss, but they didn't program an exception for life shroom, probably because most situations they wanted to avoid also are avoided when it is done with life shrooms, speeding up turns, etc. But this is one case they probably didn't check because they never thought it would come up like this.

[@MrL1193]

There's also something to be said for giving the player a chance to actually recover, as opposed to watching Mario waste time coming back to life just to die again.

[@TheDendran]

I am currently on 1:35 and I make a guess: The Puffs won't heal, if Mario got downed the turn before Edit: Nailed it

[@lukedufour]

I love how dumb this is. So great!

[@nin10doadict]

Huffy says "derp derp"

[@KirbyCoder]

I swear I’ve seen this somewhere else before

[@nathanestrada-eptx4715]

This is so stupid, I love it!

[@coolkattcoder]

Incredible!! (Also do you have a link to just the sound of appealing to the audience?)

[@remilia20xx78]

My favorite strategy is spamming charge and doing 60 dmg with two jumps (30+30) and tanking the frame rate

[@eduardorpg64]

Beta testing and debugging a game is quite hard. If you try to fix any possible exploit in your game, especially a high-budget game for its time like Paper Mario 1, you will never release your game. Who's going to be carrying a ton of life shrooms and get themselves killed by the Tuff Puffs starting from turn 1 or 2? Don't get me wrong. This is a pretty neat strategy, and I loved watching this video. But my point is: you can do stuff like this in pretty much any game. Just ask speedrunners.

[@AaronWGaming]

can this be used against any other bosses?

[@warnegoodman]

I suppose this is as good a place as any to say this. But why the heck aren't life shrooms a green one-up mushroom?

[@princeofrain1428]

Goofy ahhhh strat

[@foiledagain1914]

do the tuff puffs have a limit to how much damage they can do to you if you don't stop their attack, or can you just pull this shit at any level

[@thanderhop1489]

Even if they did, just show up to the fight with low HP, and then the life shrooms still only take you back up to 10. And you don't need as many life shrooms if you use FP and badges to increase your damage per turn.

[@Driggsdamonstah]

There’s no limit unless you take no damage from the attack in which they’ll be shoved off at 2 hits.

[@foiledagain1914]

Wow so you really can just wreck huffnpuff with literally anything as long as it doesn't increase defense. Poor dude

[@kanlalonde1356]

Actually they have a damage limit of 40, Seer recently made a paper Mario challenge run where this came up if you’re interested

[@MarioFan587YT]

They have a cap of 20 hits, if I recall.

[@june9914]

hey so long as it works

[@Crystals10000]

Cheese af 👌😅

[@Lute01]

lmfao

[@melodywawichi802]

...Bruh.

[@boks02_]

If you talked in these so I could auto play the video while I fall asleep, that would be peak

[@KC-em5lw]

Entire comment section if this was a TTYD glitch: "wOw I wOnDeR iF tHiS wIlL gEt FiXeD iN tHe ReMaKe"

[@cosmicsupernora]

i was really interested in what was gonna happen when he died and you know what? you delievered. this **is** incredibly stupid

[@dogyX3]

Life shrooms are so busted and unbalanced

[@codetoil]

this is stupid