Grond Explained

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@mjlamey1066
@mjlamey1066 5 ай бұрын
Sauron definitely was like "they won't get this reference, but I will get this reference. And after all, it's not about them, it's really all about me".
@aredub1847
@aredub1847 5 ай бұрын
im sure any eleves around knew, and other loremasters about.
@MrPotapnik
@MrPotapnik 4 ай бұрын
My 13 year-old-me knew and that's what mattered
@jones2884
@jones2884 4 ай бұрын
Thats why Tolkien named the books after him
@Interrobang212
@Interrobang212 3 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be so sure. Morgoth worship seems to be a prevalent thing in middle earth. Sauron tried to style himself morgoth reborn in the second age.
@doomey22a
@doomey22a 5 ай бұрын
I had a small cameo in RotK, thanks to Grond, as one of the voices chanting as it was dragged to the wall. They modulated the audio recordings to make it sound like there were many more people shouting. Was a fun afternoon. My mum got to be a rider of Rohan in the final two films as they initially hd a shortage of people well over 6ft tall with naturally long hair - most of the extras wound up being women because it was easier than having to fit a bunch of guys with wigs and hair extensions!
@Chuckf66
@Chuckf66 Ай бұрын
That's such a fantastic thing to have been a part of!
@1701Emperor
@1701Emperor 23 күн бұрын
It wasn't because of the length of hair, because extensions and wigs could take care of exactly that. It was because there weren't enough men who knew how to ride a horse.
@orrointhewise87
@orrointhewise87 5 ай бұрын
I love how he named it after his master's powerful weapon but it took the shape of a wolf. Sauron used to be able to shape himself into a werewolf. It's as if he's bringing back the memory of those dark powerful days even tho no one alive, man or orc, can remember it. Almost as if he's seeking revenge for losing to Huan all those years ago
@toferg.8264
@toferg.8264 5 ай бұрын
Insightful!
@benjaminodonnell258
@benjaminodonnell258 5 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, there are orcs alive in RotK that seem to remember the end of the Second Age, if not first hand, then as something a father or grandfather saw and told tales about. If so, if orcs are, like the elves they once were, immune to aging, then there would be some orcs in RotK who have strong folk-memories of Grond...
@orrointhewise87
@orrointhewise87 5 ай бұрын
@benjaminodonnell258 I didn't think orcs could live that long but the idea of a grandpa orc is acceptable at this point🤣
@jonathanyaloussa
@jonathanyaloussa 5 ай бұрын
Grandpa Orcs are cannon: "Do not despise the wisdom of KZbin commentators (...)"​@@orrointhewise87
@paulprovenzano3755
@paulprovenzano3755 5 ай бұрын
@@orrointhewise87 ‘Grandporc? Orkork to his youngest spawn.’ It’s always Orcs-Ride-Free Day at the MordorLand Amusement-Park.
@shanechudzik8554
@shanechudzik8554 5 ай бұрын
I think what Sauron was attempting to convey with the name Grond was that he still wielded power like that of the first age, while his enemies had only diminished.
@mrsamaritan6881
@mrsamaritan6881 5 ай бұрын
Considering that Melkor was more of an "idea guy" and Sauron was Aule the Smith's greatest servant, there's a good chance that Sauron actually was the one who MADE the original Grond for Morgoth.
@yochaiwyss3843
@yochaiwyss3843 5 ай бұрын
In other words, Sauron was the Project Manager and Engineer while Morgoth was the Architect? 😂
@DISTurbedwaffle918
@DISTurbedwaffle918 2 ай бұрын
In talking with my friend about the Silmarillion (in a sort of funny, tipsy, abridged manner), I described Sauron's activities during the captivity of Melkor as "playing with Legos in Angband" Partly related is my portrayal of Fëanor as an obsessive rock collector and Melkor as a raging douche who just wants to ruin everything.
@johnpotts8308
@johnpotts8308 5 ай бұрын
You've got to admire the balls on Fingolfin, taking on the closest thing Middle Earth has to a devil and putting up a decent show of it.
@13141Scott
@13141Scott 5 ай бұрын
He caused Morgoth to limp ever after and pain from a wound that wound never heal
@AnarchyThirtySeven
@AnarchyThirtySeven 5 ай бұрын
Yes he crippled the greatest & most powerful of all the Valar.
@rudivomschauerberg6344
@rudivomschauerberg6344 5 ай бұрын
if i would be a magical creature that cannot truly die, i would fight with everyone too. Elves and all other magical immortal things are never truly brave. Real balls it takes only if youre mortal and risking ur whole existence forever
@mwcz5190
@mwcz5190 5 ай бұрын
​@@rudivomschauerberg6344 Yes, but but risking "death" they also risk losing the only home they have known and loved, and all their family and friends, some of them forever (if they are not killed).
@anthonyelledge7475
@anthonyelledge7475 5 ай бұрын
@@rudivomschauerberg6344 I don't think Fingolfin was immortal like that, I think he chose to be exiled.
@istari0
@istari0 5 ай бұрын
Even though it appears Fingolfin was winning, my view is that he never had a chance of actually defeating Morgoth. His victory was in being able to hold out for so long and actually injure Morgoth.
@cheater21211
@cheater21211 5 ай бұрын
His story would inspire a favourite non-tolkien character of mine, Broxigar.
@EdgedShadow
@EdgedShadow 28 күн бұрын
@@cheater21211somehow I never made the connection. It seems so obvious lol.
@awesomehpt8938
@awesomehpt8938 5 ай бұрын
You are soldiers of Gondor! No matter what comes through that gate you will stand your ground!
@cesarlenai4297
@cesarlenai4297 5 ай бұрын
🫨😰
@cesarlenai4297
@cesarlenai4297 5 ай бұрын
Gandalf after GROND !
@blackshard641
@blackshard641 5 ай бұрын
You will stand your *grond
@martino087
@martino087 5 ай бұрын
@@blackshard641coincidentally, grond means ‘ground’ in Dutch 😉
@AngelusAnsell
@AngelusAnsell 5 ай бұрын
The soldiers of Gondor...did not, in fact, stand their ground. xD
@AllAhabNoMoby
@AllAhabNoMoby 5 ай бұрын
The scene where the Witch King activates Grond while standing in the stirrups fist raised was hair raising in the book. I never understood why Jackson didn't incorporate this scene, it was practically written for cinema.
@Aaron-zk6jn
@Aaron-zk6jn 5 ай бұрын
Probably because he felt he couldn’t do it justice
@AllAhabNoMoby
@AllAhabNoMoby 5 ай бұрын
@@Aaron-zk6jn I think he managed it with things more difficult. Maybe someone could ask him one day.
@hopefulpellinore5490
@hopefulpellinore5490 5 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@xyreniaofcthrayn1195
@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 5 ай бұрын
Ultimately didn't fit grond was seen already active on approach though to make up for it I mean there was a deleted scene standoff between the witch king and gandalf.
@rhysthomas1957
@rhysthomas1957 5 ай бұрын
We'll probably never know, but it's fun to speculate. My guess would be that it's to do with visual story telling. Throughout the battle the witch-king is constantly sitting down looking relaxed, moving very little. That way when he finally does move it makes an impact, and the camera really focusses on him as he rises up from the dead fell beast and raises his mace. By having him be so relaxed throughout the scenes building up to it, the simple act of having this character stand up to confront Eowyn communicates to the audience that some serious shit is about to go down. He hasn't stood up all battle, so when he does finally stand our gut reaction is 'uh-oh'.
@mattmccartney5996
@mattmccartney5996 5 ай бұрын
GROND! GROND! GROND!
@SimoSisu
@SimoSisu 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@introvertswag6494
@introvertswag6494 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@ambience273
@ambience273 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@LetsTakeWalk
@LetsTakeWalk 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@awesomeized1432
@awesomeized1432 5 ай бұрын
GROND
@deadbrother5355
@deadbrother5355 5 ай бұрын
Essentially, Grond's were a several thousand years long case study in dark magic smithing technology. Nice.
@Comrade_Jason
@Comrade_Jason 5 ай бұрын
10 minute video on a fictional battering ram 😂 i love you bro. Who asked fot this? Not me. Who needed it? Not me. But who's watching it? Me!
@ElroyMcDuff
@ElroyMcDuff 5 ай бұрын
Same here 🥰
@Thraim.
@Thraim. 5 ай бұрын
It may be worth noting that Grond isn't the first time we see a door breaking, due to magic. Back in Khazad-dum, Gandalf cast a shutting-spell on the door out of Balin's tomb with his magic, to keep the orcs from following the fellowship. The Balrog's counter-spell caused the door to "[...]burst in pieces."
@dandiehm8414
@dandiehm8414 5 ай бұрын
"Morgoth's Grond was ineffective, yet Morgoth won, while Sauron's Grond was effective, and Sauron lost". Pretty much sums up the power differences between Morgoth and his servant. It is said (in the Silmarillion and the Lord Of The Rings) that "Morgoth's power is always greater and other than he shows" while Saurons power is "never as great as fear makes it" (paraphrasing). Sauron was basically self-destructed by his own errors and was at last overcome by 3 mortal hobbit-like creatures. It took the combined might of the ARMIES of Elves, Men AND the all of the other Valar to overthrow Morgoth.
@GregMcNeish
@GregMcNeish 5 ай бұрын
GROND GROND GROND GROND!!!
@Sup_bro23
@Sup_bro23 5 ай бұрын
Grond
@TheRelicKeeper
@TheRelicKeeper 5 ай бұрын
G R O N D
@palmoftheface4969
@palmoftheface4969 5 ай бұрын
"Grond-uh! Grond-uh!"
@ghastblastV
@ghastblastV 5 ай бұрын
GROND
@pirojfmifhghek566
@pirojfmifhghek566 5 ай бұрын
@@palmoftheface4969 You guys are saying it wrong!
@phigu198
@phigu198 5 ай бұрын
The Comments are as predictable as orcs in front of Minas Tirith screaming GROND GROND GROND GROND GROND!
@darthquietus1783
@darthquietus1783 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@ATEC101
@ATEC101 5 ай бұрын
My thumbnail is my 1972 BMW 2002 club racecar. It is named Grond. Back in the Second Age I was a track marshal who saw the same BMW as a club racecar. I just needed to add a roll cage and other safety items. I raced against the original car and found out its name was Shadowfax. It only beat me once. GROND, GROND, GROND!!!!!!!!
@katherinegraham3803
@katherinegraham3803 5 ай бұрын
I assume most of them are Redditors from r/LOTRmemes. Like Sauron naming his great battering ram in honor of his master's mighty hammer of old, they are here to leave comments in honor of inside jokes from 2022. 🥲
@thecoops702
@thecoops702 5 ай бұрын
This is the first channel I've watched where, with the plug for patreon at the end, before he even mentions how you can support him he thanks you for doing so at all. I really enjoy that, and it's ultimately what earned my sub. One day I'll get your next coffee, but for now you get my views and some time. Cheers!
@jwalshmorrissey
@jwalshmorrissey 5 ай бұрын
What a well-written and thoughtful entry.
@AbruptAvalanche
@AbruptAvalanche 5 ай бұрын
That Fingolfin fight sounds just like a Dark Souls boss battle. He uses dodge roll I-frames to avoid the big slow attack, and then got in some chip damage during the openings. He eventually died to the boss, as is tradition in Souls games.
@Cosper79
@Cosper79 5 ай бұрын
Best Tolkien KZbinr!
@Grancigul
@Grancigul 5 ай бұрын
Idk i think he and Nerd Of The Rings should have a fist fight in a McDonalds parking lot to decide who is #1 😂
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 5 ай бұрын
​@@GrancigulNOTR is a bit too limp wristed in my opinion. Men of The West and Tolkien Untangled are better
@dale1515
@dale1515 5 ай бұрын
😂😂​@@Grancigul
@lilpixie25
@lilpixie25 5 ай бұрын
Fantastic! I love the deep reading of all of Tolkien's works and how beautifully lacey they are as one layer let's enough light through to see/discover another
@ThommyofThenn
@ThommyofThenn 5 ай бұрын
I believe we talked about this last stream. One of the most striking visualisations of magic I've read/heard someone skilfully read to me😊
@caseyhamm4292
@caseyhamm4292 4 ай бұрын
every time another bit of sauron’s folly is revealed to me, i smile smugly and ponder on how he felt as frodo claimed the ring at sammath naur and barad-dûr fell. there is something so satisfying about seeing the machinations of the good-hearted laid bare
@mjlamey1066
@mjlamey1066 5 ай бұрын
One gets the sense that Sauron might have been a bit of a diva. Definitely a theatre kid in another life.
@stonepeterson4909
@stonepeterson4909 4 ай бұрын
U gamer
@COD4JESSE
@COD4JESSE 4 ай бұрын
Sauron = Justin Trudeau
@Selrahc_69
@Selrahc_69 5 ай бұрын
Great episode! As a long time player of Lord of the Rings Online, I was smitten the first time I laid eyes on Grond sitting quietly in Osgiliath, awaiting the battle to come. I tried to destroy it and change the narrative but, alas, the great war machine just stared ahead, laughing at my failure :)
@nateosborne7361
@nateosborne7361 5 ай бұрын
You have no idea how long I’ve been searching for a video like this
@ludwigfranzpl
@ludwigfranzpl 4 ай бұрын
"In Deep" indeed! If I get a chance to view one of your videos, I am always sure of either getting a question in my mind answered, or learning something new. Thank you, Robert!🙏
@T.e.a.k
@T.e.a.k 5 ай бұрын
I don't remember if mentioned but the wolf head for Grond could be representative of Sauron being Lord of Werewolves!
@egorka9468
@egorka9468 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@SimoSisu
@SimoSisu 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@Marjoss1
@Marjoss1 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@inthefade
@inthefade 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@rizkyadiyanto7922
@rizkyadiyanto7922 5 ай бұрын
no.
@dukesilver3491
@dukesilver3491 5 ай бұрын
GROND
@Belligerent_Herald
@Belligerent_Herald 5 ай бұрын
For me Grond is one of the cooler creations of Mordor, really shows off Tolkien’s prowess, it’s not every writer that can make something as simple as a battering ram feel like a character unto itself. They nailed it in the movie.
@aidkik580
@aidkik580 4 ай бұрын
Lol "it's not like the gate could dodge out of the way of the battering ram" idk why but I feel no greater words of wisdom have ever been uttered
@alixsky6067
@alixsky6067 5 ай бұрын
I know Tolkien wasn't a fan of allegory, but his description of Grond is eerily similar to the description of experiences of the first tanks of ww1
@justinhannan1713
@justinhannan1713 5 ай бұрын
You probably already know this: Tolkien fought in WW1. While recovering from 'trench foot' in a hospital he wrote quite a bit of what would eventually become the hobbit and silmarillion.
@Aaron-zk6jn
@Aaron-zk6jn 5 ай бұрын
I think it’s Sauron almost spitting on Melkor’s grave. “He failed, but I won’t. I’m the real dark lord.”
@michaelf8221
@michaelf8221 5 ай бұрын
Ironic, given that Sauron too was too slow to break through and crush Gondor before the reinforcements came.
@KillerofGods
@KillerofGods 5 ай бұрын
​@@michaelf8221It didn't really matter, sauron had more armies in reserve. Gondors and Rohan armies were in tatters. What probably hurt more is losing that northern army.
@michaelsimpson1224
@michaelsimpson1224 5 ай бұрын
I love the mental image of all of Morgoth’s minions flailing and screaming in despair at his wounds, except for Sauron, who's just coldly staring in contempt as his master is being sliced up by an elf
@gerrimilner9448
@gerrimilner9448 5 ай бұрын
i think it was pride "i'm stronger than you were" thinking as spite was his most used feature
@feroxfreak209
@feroxfreak209 5 ай бұрын
Gonna be awkward when they meet again outside of the world
@mishie618
@mishie618 5 ай бұрын
So this is not about this video, I am simply hoping that the creators will see this, and maybe consider creating a video about how Sam Gamgee was the true hero in the lotr.. he was the strength that never faltered, up until the very end. He was the true unsung hero. In so many ways and for so many reasons. I don’t know why that isn’t a subject talked about, or something that creators never really get into much. Just a thought. Cheers!❤ great job on all of these amazing videos❤
@theotakuofgluttony
@theotakuofgluttony 5 ай бұрын
GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND!
@TheRelicKeeper
@TheRelicKeeper 5 ай бұрын
G R O N D
@CrystalblueMage
@CrystalblueMage 5 ай бұрын
Maybe Sauron actually crafted Grond for Morgoth - he was a servant of Aulë before he fell. Then this was a "See - the magic DOES work, the previous failure was all my old boss"
@S_Drake
@S_Drake Ай бұрын
User error.
@rollinmetzger7392
@rollinmetzger7392 5 ай бұрын
Until I read more into the silmrillion, I used to think of Grond as the literal hammer of Morgoth suspended into some siege equipment.
@GaryByrnecorpsefedzombie0saku3
@GaryByrnecorpsefedzombie0saku3 3 ай бұрын
That's actually pretty cool if it was, I mean morgoth would have to be truly gargantuan in size to wield grond as it is depicted, it would be an awesome looking mace. It's implied that morgoth is much bigger than fingolfin, too what degree is never specified. A morgoth over 100 feet tall, would be a bit excessive. But then beings size in relation to each other is left ambiguous in Tolkien's world. I mean ancalagon the black is suggested to be mountain sized, which always stuck me as cool but totally impractical and slightly ludicrous in the immensity of his proportions 😅
@ThommyofThenn
@ThommyofThenn 5 ай бұрын
6:40 when you're in light armour as a dex build and spam dodge-roll but run out of stamina and get pancaked by Havel Knight
@andreaswahl6644
@andreaswahl6644 5 ай бұрын
My 9 month old daughter loves listening to you before nap time, you have such a calming and re assuring voice. Love the cannel i’m running out of videos of yours to watch though 😂
@Adamadam-zc6pe
@Adamadam-zc6pe 5 ай бұрын
Your Middle Earth videos always kick ass
@crosbypasses14
@crosbypasses14 5 ай бұрын
Grond!
@thomasferraro479
@thomasferraro479 5 ай бұрын
Time Stands Still At The Iron Hill is a great song about the battle between Morgoth and Fingolfin
@PigeonLif
@PigeonLif 5 ай бұрын
Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond! Grond!
@KaneAsIAm
@KaneAsIAm 5 ай бұрын
Excellent synopsis! Thanks IDG!
@FidasEternas
@FidasEternas 5 ай бұрын
I literally was looking through your videos a few days ago to see if you had done one on this. Awesome timing!
@trentryan8575
@trentryan8575 5 ай бұрын
I wondered if the hammer had been melted down and incorporated into the battering ram though it seems Tolkien would likely have mentioned that.
@jburt779
@jburt779 5 ай бұрын
I’ve wondered that off and on for the last 5 decades.
@istari0
@istari0 5 ай бұрын
I think not. It wasn't the sort of the Host of the Valar would leave lying around after the War of Wrath.
@bugslayerprime7674
@bugslayerprime7674 5 ай бұрын
Unless it was hidden away like the balrog under moria?
@folleyboy16
@folleyboy16 5 ай бұрын
Can you do one on whether Frodo’s lifespan was shortened in the Undying Lands and whether or not that meant he was dead when Sam arrived?
@SonofSethoitae
@SonofSethoitae 5 ай бұрын
Frodo's lifespan wouldn't be shortened in the undying lands, it would only _feel_ like his life had been shorted because he would be the only person or thing that aged.
@folleyboy16
@folleyboy16 5 ай бұрын
@@SonofSethoitae I’d heard in some manuscripts about how Valinor causes mortals’ live’s to “burn” out faster, sort of the opposite of how rings of power stretch out their life without it having any more substance until there’s practically no “life” left in them
@SonofSethoitae
@SonofSethoitae 5 ай бұрын
@@folleyboy16 That's a slight misconception. In "Morgoth's Ring" there's an essay called "Aman and Mortal Men" where Tolkien says this: "But in Aman such a creature would be a fleeting thing, he most swift-passing of all beasts. For his whole life would last little more than one half-year, and while all other living creatures would seem to him hardly to change, but to remain steadfast in life and joy with hope of endless years undimmed, he would rise and pass - even as upon Earth the grass may rise in spring and wither ere winter." He's not saying they would _literally_ only have six months to live. He's saying that it would _feel_ like only six months, because in a normal human lifespan almost nothing would have changed around them. Elsewhere in the same essay he says this: "even though in Aman, a mortal child would still grow to maturity in some twenty years of the Sun, and the natural span of its life, the period of the cohesion of hröa and fëa, would be no more than, say, 100 years. Not much more, even though his body would suffer no sickness or disorder in Aman, where no such evils existed." The difference is that, unless they were properly cared for, the death the suffered would be more unpleasant after a regular length of time: "Either his fëa would be wholly dominated by the hröa, and he would become more like a beast, though one tormented within. Or else, if his fëa were strong, it would leave the hröa. Then one of two things would happen: either this would be accomplished only in hate, by violence, and the hröa, in full life, would be rent and die in sudden agony; or else the fëa would in loathing and without pity desert the hröa, and it would live on, a witless body, not even a beast but a monster, a very work of Melkor in the midst of Aman, which the Valar themselves would fain destroy."
@philschlunke
@philschlunke 5 ай бұрын
GROND! GROND!! GROND!!! GROND!!!
@grahamrichardson9620
@grahamrichardson9620 5 ай бұрын
GROND GROND GROND
@thiagocardoso5533
@thiagocardoso5533 5 ай бұрын
Morgoth’s grond was ineffective but he won. Sauron’s grond was effective but he lost. It's wonderful that symbolism and poetry are present in the series when seeing the books in a timeline of that universe. It is truly poetic. Whether this irony is intentional or not, for me it is one of the fantastic things that only exists in this book and so it is fair to say that this is the type of thing that makes it special, timeless. Magical!
@davesing
@davesing 5 ай бұрын
As usual you've unpacked Grond expertly. Another excellent video. Of all you posit I concur most with the idea that Sauron, being of Aüle's people and one of the most accomplished makers of powerful things, was probably at least a part of the creation of the original Grond back in his days directly serving Morgoth. And the Gate of Gondor is a static target. So he popped open his old notebooks, er, scrolls and whipped up the new Grond from the technical blueprints of the old. The operating system was of course modified after Three Ages of academic advancement by Sauron. A major upgrade is having his most invested Nazgűl trained to build and operate new Grond. Sauron's effective surrogate/operator, The Witch King channels Sauron's power onto new Grond and Boom. So this gets us to naming it Grond. Who at the Pellinor would know the significance of this? Only Sauron. An homage to past dark victories, a paean to Morgoth? Or is this what the project was listed under in his notes, er, ageless memory? So anyway, good job and thanks always for all the brilliant work.
@laughingtraitor1969
@laughingtraitor1969 5 ай бұрын
I would put forth that Sauron's Grond was just as slow and ineffective as Morgoth's Grond. It struck hard and would have ended the battle, had it not spent such a great deal of time crawling foreward that it's last blow heralded Rohan's arrival.
@breakdancelessonsamsterdam9367
@breakdancelessonsamsterdam9367 5 ай бұрын
I never really seen it as beeing magical, the spell of the Witchking plus the brute force of Grond is what broke the gate.
@Gorlim_the_Unhappy
@Gorlim_the_Unhappy 5 ай бұрын
"In his last throes Fingolfin pinned the foot of his Enemy to the earth with Ringil, and the black blood gushed forth and filled the pits of Grond."
@ParkerJohnson-np1zc
@ParkerJohnson-np1zc 5 ай бұрын
Do we know what the beasts pulling Grond were? They look pretty unique
@maxgrozema1093
@maxgrozema1093 5 ай бұрын
They're simply known as Great Beasts of Gorgoroth
@charliepie1212
@charliepie1212 5 ай бұрын
​@@maxgrozema1093That's a sick name for a band
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 5 ай бұрын
I believe they are called the Kine of Araw somewhere, it was either the trading card game or a video game. Also, Boromirs horn is made from one of these beasts
@maxgrozema1093
@maxgrozema1093 5 ай бұрын
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy no, that's a species of ox, different kind of horn. Especially because a nose horn isn't hollow, so it's difficult to make a blowing horn from it, but a head horn is hollow.
@FumblsTheSniper
@FumblsTheSniper 4 ай бұрын
Gotta come back here every year to remind myself that I love Grond.
@Vindicator_SD
@Vindicator_SD 5 ай бұрын
GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND! GROND!
@JervisGermane
@JervisGermane 5 ай бұрын
I've been listening to the Minas Tirith stream today. You mentioned this video, and here it is!
@blackshard641
@blackshard641 5 ай бұрын
GROUND!
@RtB68
@RtB68 5 ай бұрын
Given Tolkien's writing in the Silmarillion I've always attached the word "smote" to Grond...I recall watching FotR - when Gandalf cast down the Balrog of Moria and "...smote his ruin upon the mountainside" I immediately thought of Grond and what I knew would feature in the RotK. I wasn't disappointed. Grond was the scariest war machine of the entire LotR
@lilitharam44
@lilitharam44 5 ай бұрын
I like the design of the animated version, it was much scarier to me. It showed how brave Gandalf was to stand straight and not flinch when it did finally break. Great scene! What happened to Grond after the war? Keep up the great work, love to see a video on Celebrian or Goldberry.
@awesomehpt8938
@awesomehpt8938 5 ай бұрын
Bring up the wolfs head!
@zmmz0014
@zmmz0014 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@yggdrasild755
@yggdrasild755 5 ай бұрын
GROND !
@SimoSisu
@SimoSisu 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@LetsTakeWalk
@LetsTakeWalk 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@ethanbell6762
@ethanbell6762 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@realriaan3620
@realriaan3620 5 ай бұрын
Tolkien being born in Bloemfontein, South Africa......he sure did use alot of Afrikaans words in his books. Grond (Ground), Braai (Barbecue), Veltds (fields), Trek (journey)
@VoiceOfTheEmperor
@VoiceOfTheEmperor 5 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this and I didn't even know! Thank you! I already know that Grond is basically an homage to Carcaroth of Morgoth.
@PolishGoblinn
@PolishGoblinn 3 ай бұрын
insane analysis, thank you
@kingjustonian9119
@kingjustonian9119 4 ай бұрын
This was really done well. Geek approved.
@johnmcgovern5296
@johnmcgovern5296 5 ай бұрын
I had just assumed that Grond 2.0 was the original Grond re-made. Sort of a dark parallel to Narsil.
@biegaliusz4439
@biegaliusz4439 5 ай бұрын
Grond Grond Grond
@laptopdragon
@laptopdragon 5 ай бұрын
These are some of my favorite videos to watch and listen too... So many details lost and refound> Requesting more info on the Prancing Pony, how popular of a hub was this pub and were there any others like it or was this the only one?... was there an actual pony?,
@alessandroamici7337
@alessandroamici7337 5 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on Sauron fighting style? In the movie he appears as atowering armored humanoid with a giant mace but in the books is different and in the past he fought in different forms than humanoid. I'm addicted to this channel by the way
@brittanystoddard3107
@brittanystoddard3107 5 ай бұрын
GROND!!
@KeepCalmSoldierOn
@KeepCalmSoldierOn 4 ай бұрын
I think it's also worth noting, the Orks had almost certainly forgotten about the ineffectiveness of Grond, they don't see it as the limp weapon of a lame general, but a mighty weapon that one strong enough might be able to make use of😊
@mt_baldwin
@mt_baldwin 3 ай бұрын
Sauron, being a craftsman at heart (and a sorcerer), probably made Grond (and it's enchantments) with his own hands and enjoyed doing so, a weapon powerful and efficient, whose purpose was to help bring his order to those that have long opposed him. He even named it after his old masters weapon, maybe to one-up Morgoth but more likely to redress an old wrong, his Grond would succeed in smashing his foe to pieces where Morgoth's Grond did not.
@justadude257
@justadude257 5 ай бұрын
Hello! Great channel and videos! I have a suggestion for a video: Why they didn't just use the eagles to fly the Ring to Mount Doom?
@HeWhoHungers
@HeWhoHungers 5 ай бұрын
The best part about Grond in the movies is that they have clearly brought it, but they are like nah let's try the shitty ram first, then go sit and think before they go "what about that enormous ram we brought specifically to break this gate?"
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 5 ай бұрын
The trolls manning Grond were paid by the hour, so they didn't want to pay that expense unless they really had to.
@MM-zg4wu
@MM-zg4wu 5 ай бұрын
Just as Morgoth's dragons that captured Gondolin were simply tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, this battle ram was a non-self-propelled armored cannon.
@pyrofusiondancer
@pyrofusiondancer 5 ай бұрын
Robert, in the past you've asked for video requests. Just wanted to toss a recommendation to you: Anything regarding the Elvish language. I love Elvish, it sounds amazing, and also just think it would sound amazing to read some Elvish in a video.
@CallMeKes
@CallMeKes 5 ай бұрын
Did your video on why not give the ring to Tom Bombadil get removed? I wanted to show a friend it and couldn't find it.
@craygroup
@craygroup 5 ай бұрын
I’m convinced he deletes them to reupload/recreate them later. I swear I saw this video before, and it’s not the first time I’ve had this feeling with his videos.
@joshuasmagic
@joshuasmagic 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Robert!
@jscal2231
@jscal2231 5 ай бұрын
*GROND!!!!*
@foglet1
@foglet1 5 ай бұрын
GROND
@clownbaby420
@clownbaby420 5 ай бұрын
GROND
@playerofrock04
@playerofrock04 5 ай бұрын
GROND
@leroy232
@leroy232 5 ай бұрын
GROND
@SimoSisu
@SimoSisu 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@SimoSisu
@SimoSisu 5 ай бұрын
GROND!
@MerryMohProductions
@MerryMohProductions 5 ай бұрын
Kind’a wish you shared your thoughts on the Great Beasts and more about the Witch-King’s part, other than that I think another token worth mentioning is the ulterior aesthetic of the Wolf-Head up front; plausibly a token in itself to Melkor and his affiliation with wolves; particularly during the first age with Sauron himself proclaimed as “the lord of werewolves”, and the beast Carcharoth being the largest wolf of them all.
@WillowProductions
@WillowProductions 4 ай бұрын
Theory A: Grond is literally morgoths hammer because thats how big he was. Theory B: The walls and gates of minas tirith are enchanted by Numenoreans. The witch king is numenorean. He knows how to undo it.
@MartinCHorowitz
@MartinCHorowitz 5 ай бұрын
What DId Aragorn do with it after the war?
@fredblonder7850
@fredblonder7850 5 ай бұрын
Made it into a fountain. ;-)
@skyborne80
@skyborne80 5 ай бұрын
It's almost as if the Witch King was taunting the defenders of the city. The gates standing up to the first hit gave them hope and then the magic being ignited in Grond for the next two hits crushed their hopes.
@chadb9270
@chadb9270 5 ай бұрын
As soon as I read the name, I couldn’t help but start chanting Grond, Grond, Grond!!!
@daxan9123
@daxan9123 5 ай бұрын
Whats interesting is while morgoth used grond ineffectively he 'won' his fight. While sauron used grond effectively and yet lost.
@takumi2023
@takumi2023 4 ай бұрын
i'm curious where you found those art in the video couldn't have been easy.
@MarushiaDark316
@MarushiaDark316 5 ай бұрын
Tolkien giving more care and poetry and lore to five seconds about a battering ram than most authors give to their entire books.
@heridebes4250
@heridebes4250 5 ай бұрын
I have a question that I do not know how to find the answer. What would happen if the fellowship never failed and crossed the river when Legolas advised Aragorn when he felt the small pack of Uruk hei in the western shore before they were ambushed. This from a movie perspective as I’ve started reading the books but not come to this point yet.
@touji_01
@touji_01 5 ай бұрын
I just noticed a bunch of Legendarium videos have been privated. Does anyone know what happened? I really enjoyed them too and wanted to watch them, particularly the one about telepathy in Middle Earth.
@noneofyourbusiness1852
@noneofyourbusiness1852 5 ай бұрын
Have you come across Girl Next Gondor? She did a video on Goldberry that was wonderfully thought out - I'd love to hear your own take on Goldberry.
@OenopionOenopion
@OenopionOenopion 5 ай бұрын
It would have been worth an explanation as to how Grond could have been brought from Mordor across the Anudin river to Minas Tirith.
@Menuki
@Menuki 5 ай бұрын
Wait, Grond was just a large wood and metal conduit for a dark magic spell? It’s just an oversized wand
@DownUnderWarboss
@DownUnderWarboss 5 ай бұрын
I have 20 wheels that were used on the model, in the movie, from Weta. They are on my 40k Ork army Mek gunz.
@projektkobra2247
@projektkobra2247 5 ай бұрын
"You're saying it wrong!" Gosh!
@MartinCHorowitz
@MartinCHorowitz 5 ай бұрын
Grond the great coffee grinder of Mordor, repurposed from normal use at Sauronbucks coffee shop.
@HimslGames
@HimslGames Ай бұрын
I love how you say Grond. "Saurons Grond was more powerful and efficient than Morgoths Grond. " It's all in the grond.
@darkling-studios
@darkling-studios 5 ай бұрын
Is there any chance the ram is the hammer? The valar are huge in stature so I'm sure he could wield it
@jasonrhome710
@jasonrhome710 5 ай бұрын
Question that came to mind that I'm not seeing an answer for in other videos, could humans do magic in Middle Earth? Outside of the use of magical items. I'm mainly recalling characters who hail from elvish descent, are mayar, or are valar as being able to channel magic through themselves without the aid of magical items, with the only two possible exceptions being the Witch King and the Mouth of Sauron.
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